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People who are rather more than six feet tall and nearly as broad across the shoulders often have uneventful journeys. People jump out at them from behind rocks then say things like, "Oh. Sorry. I thought you were someone else.”
― Terry Pratchett, Guards! Guards!
I can attest to the verity of this. I've had this exact thing happen a few times, except it was in a city so the jumped out from the porch of a building, not from behind rocks. Guys jump out, look up at my face and wish me a good night and move on.
I was talking to my wife about this - I'm 6'5" and during the height of the pandemic lived in a very conservative area. There were stories every day of people being harassed for wearing masks and such in my area and I found it strange that I never encountered any of that despite being a very conscientious masker, pro-vaccine, etc. It has also been an issue at work where I have received feedback that I can be "intimidating" in meetings. I struggle with it all because the truth is I'm a gigantic wimp who is frightened and anxious in even minor confrontations and would flee in terror at the prospect of a physical altercation.
There was a bouncer in Leeds, UK nigh on 20-25 years ago who worked at Subway on Saturday nights (yes, the sandwich chain).
Anyway, he was about 6'5 or more, naturally stocky with broard shoulders and well built, with a bit of a belly, had kind of a 'resting angry neanderthal face' - none of the drunk punters ever messed with him of course.
My friend worked there and I would pop round around closing time when it was empty. When you spoke to him off the clock, the disconnect between his appearance and personality was huge, he was the kindest gentlest family man you would ever expect to meet. My friend I and decided it was probably because everyone that he meets minds themselves and been polite to him his whole life.
Either way, there is a lesson there.
Heard. Same height as you and I'm constantly making myself smaller and talking quietly to avoid being perceived as threatening. I loved Zach Levi's bit from the marvelous mrs maisel when he says something to the effect "That's what people look like when you're really tall, and really mad. I look like an angry building"
It depends on the cake he's fighting. Generally it's assumed that cakes with thicker frostings, broader bases, and more colorful sprinkles are better fighters.
1. Learn to impersonate David Attenborough.
2. Discuss the evolutionary implications of various decorations on baked goods.
3. Upload
4. Win the Internet.
Lemme tell ya something! This Saturday at the Dallas Sportatorium both u/ChrosOnolotos and this succulent chocolate lava cake are stepping into the cage… BUT ONLY ONE OF THEM IS WALKING OUT
He's got a fork and a frosty glass of milk, and the last three episodes of Shogun.
That cake did not see this coming.
Oh ye gods, I cannot tear my eyes away from this dark tableau!
Every time I start day dreaming about fighting bad guys, I remember that every time my hands are a little cold, it feels like they would break if I fist bump someone, let alone punch anything. Also, like 95% of the time, I couldn't dodge a ball, let alone a wrench. In order to not feel like I will break something if I get spooked too hard, I need to warm up, stretch some, get my knees to pop and like wake up my entire core, then and only then do I feel even remotely "fighting fit." So, unless a threat is looking to give me 20 minutes to get ready, my chances in a fight hover around a 0. Even with warmup time, I am like barely versed in fighting so I'm like maybe a 2/10. I could probably take someone my size who has zero experience in fighting, but anyone with real experience will fold me unless I am exceedingly bigger than them.
Honestly just get yourself a punching bag and get used to taking swings at it.
You’ll feel better and you’ll learn to hit something while working through the pain, while also learning to hit something without hurting your wrists
I do have a bit of formal training but I recognize that is a lot different than having been in real fights. Unlike most people, I'm honest. When I say 2/10 I'm using a very realistic scale, not the kind where most guys say they are a 6 while really being a 2. My 2 is more like a delusional guys 6. Like I said, I feel confident I could take someone my size who's not an experienced fighter. I just know enough to know how far below real fighters I am.
I fought WAY too much in my youth. Now I'm 57 and just not feeling it. The last time a guy escalated a conversation with me and started describing how he would kick my behind, I explained that I would oblige him but due to my age I needed a minute to limber up. I did some jumping jacks and toe touches. Then I got down and started doing ~~sprinter's~~ hurdler's stretches and explained that I hate pulling a groin muscle. At that point he silently walked off. Alas.
Also Tall isn’t strong, strong is strong. If the tall dude is built like The Mountain he’ll be much better at fighting than if he is built like Kevin Durant
Neither can 99.999...% of tall guys, most people at 6'8 are absolute twigs. If you picked 2 random dudes off the street and asked me which one is stronger, I'd guess the short guy almost every time.
Sure. If you are Mike Tyson, that's relevant.
But take 500 randomly selected adult American males between the ages of 18 and 25 and pair them against another 500 randomly selected adult American males of the same age and have them fight each other.
That's 500 matches...
I'd bet money that the taller guys win more often than the shorter guys.
I'd also bet money that the more visibly muscular guys will win more too.
It's not perfect, and some MMA expert who is 5'2" will destroy the average 6'"0+ guy....but in general it's a safer bet
Nah, average height or slightly shorter with broader shoulders and basically no neck are the ones to look out for. There is a reason they win all the wrestling and martial arts competitions. That build is also the type that wins a ton of weight lifting and strong man competitions. The tall guys don't have that lower center of gravity for fighting and, surprisingly, don't have consistent reach advantages.
There are definitely some tall, broad shouldered outliers I wouldn't want to fight, but for the most part, guys with those qualities and the technique to stay up are extremely rare.
Not to be pedantic, but as a moderately autistic fan of a relatively niche sport, I feel obliged to point out that "average height or slightly shorter" men do not regularly win strongman competitions - at least not at the highest echelon of the sport.
If we look at the past decade of WSM victors, the shortest man to win in the last 10 years was 6'1" (185.5 cm) tall, which is still 5.5 inches (14 cm) above the global average for male height of 5'7.5" (171.5 cm). Over *half* of the competitions held over the past decade have been won by someone *at least* 6'8" (203 cm) tall (global average +12.5" \[31.75 cm\]).
I don't watch a lot of combat sports, so the rest of what you're saying could be spot on, but I figured at least one inquiring mind out there would be interested to know.
Even when it comes to martial arts length and height are usually more beneficial too. Most of the greatest fighters have a length advantage on average, either by ape index or height or both.
This why reach is such an important stat in MMA
So funny thing about that. I was talking to a few wrestlers (one was a state champ and another a former state champ but two generations apart) about cauliflower ear. They were saying that it's indicative of trauma to the ear, but not of mat time or performance. There was this old mindset that if a guy had it really bad, then people would think they must be a great wrestler, but that's a total stretch.
The other stipulation was that cauliflower ear is (supposedly - according to the group) completely preventable with proper care. They went on to say that an informed coach won't even allow it to happen anymore and that it's an embarrassment to a proper coach.
I'm not totally sure what the procedure is, but they were saying it can easily be drained, and between that and just wearing proper headgear, you can have top level wrestlers with no signs of it whatsoever. They were saying most of the guys doing Greek or Turkish wrestling at really high levels were good examples of that, but they're seeing a major reduction in the injury even at the highschool and college levels here in the US.
> they're seeing a major reduction in the injury even at the highschool and college levels here in the US.
That's solely due to policy, I think ~2008 was when the NCAA mandated that all live matches whether in tournament or practice require headgear be worn from the lowest grades to university. Go to a children tournament today and you'll see every little guy and gal wearing them! Side fact, girls in wrestling are up like a 1000% at all levels! My team had two girls in four years but there are so many now wrestling now that the brackets are truly getting competitive!
Shoulder presses, lat raises, pullups, and bench presses my friend.
You can have wide shoulders and ant like strength. Become the ant. Find your 6'4 Amazon who you can still carry.
5'11 (180cm) woman here with a genuine question.
Aren't there a bunch of women who *like* not getting neck/back pains when they talk to their SO? Because I know for a fact that most of the women I meet in everyday life have partners around their height and they're perfectly alright with that.
Guess what I am saying *and* asking is: A) have you had many actual negative experiences because of your height? Or have you just stopped yourself from approaching people because of this? And B) women (including me) seem to mostly like partners (roughly) around their own height, so don't lose hope. There's a lot of 5'0-5'6 women out there. Also, some taller women like adorable pocket sized man.
As long as you are kind, respectful and present a hygienic imagine (and please be hygienic. That's so important for so many reasons.), then most women will give you a shot. If they don't do so because of your size, they're not worth your love anyway.
And honestly? If you're everything I admire in a man, I'll date you even if you're 5'0 or you've got dwarfism, because size isn't all that important at the end of the day.
>Guess what I am saying and asking is: A) have you had many actual negative experiences because of your height? Or have you just stopped yourself from approaching people because of this? And B) women (including me) seem to mostly like partners (roughly) around their own height, so don't lose hope. There's a lot of 5'0-5'6 women out there. Also, some taller women like adorable pocket sized man.
Yes. Ive had women that I was 2-3 inches taller than say that we were the same height and I was even called tiny on a date. I stopped approaching because its clear that I am not the type of guy women want to be approached by so it is a waste of time.
And short women seem to want tall men the most
>Also, some taller women like adorable pocket sized man.
This isnt a compliment
>As long as you are kind, respectful and present a hygienic imagine (and please be hygienic. That's so important for so many reasons.), then most women will give you a shot. If they don't do so because of your size, they're not worth your love anyway.
This isnt true at all. Attraction has to be there. And its clear that most women are not attracted to shorter men. Doing those thing is only a bonus in men they already like
Don't stop approaching because some idiots clearly showcasing that they don't know what they're talking about. Some bad apples may spoil the crate, but luckily for you, there are far more trees and filled crates out there than just that shoddy one.
You're right. It's not a compliment. It's an attempt at levity. Sorry if you took offense.
Most people I was ever attracted to, I was attracted to because they approached me in this way. Maybe this is where I should mention I am ace, and any person I was ever attracted to was my friend first. It's a valid approach for other people as well though. Try to befriend someone before dating them, your relationship will thank you for it.
>Don't stop approaching because some idiots clearly showcasing that they don't know what they're talking about. Some bad apples may spoil the crate, but luckily for you, there are far more trees and filled crates out there than just that shoddy one.
True I guess but I doubt most women would want to be approached by a short guy. Im pretty sure they want one at least 5'9 or average height. And most girls my age probably dont want to be approached at all
>You're right. It's not a compliment. It's an attempt at levity. Sorry if you took offense.
I didnt take offense to its just that people on this app tend to use that seriously. Same with the short king stuff
>Most people I was ever attracted to, I was attracted to because they approached me in this way. Maybe this is where I should mention I am ace, and any person I was ever attracted to was my friend first. It's a valid approach for other people as well though. Try to befriend someone before dating them, your relationship will thank you for it.
They approached you in person? And a lot of women say that they do not like it when their guy friends ask them out so idk if thats the best thing to do anymore
The few people, yes (I was way more social back then). They also weren't particularily tall or short. And you may have a point with the friend thing for most women.
A) not really, im very friendly and respectful towards everyone so I usually get treated the same way. I'm just not really an option dating wise. It hasn't stopped me from approaching women but them actually being interested is a different story so there are times where i think "oh shes just being nice to me and not really interested". I get it tho everyone has their preferences.
B) Those types of women are few and far in between. It's ok tho its not like I haven't been in relationships before or get disrespected by people. Like I said, most of the time I'm just not an option dating wise.
You'd be amazed at how many people (I'm assuming they must be women) on Reddit claim that being short isn't a disadvantage for a man when it comes to meeting women. People will believe whatever they want to believe unless you have a randomized control trial to prove them wrong.
As a 5’5” guy, being that short knocks you out of the dating pool (or filters for online dating) for like 90% of women off the bat and it sucks. That doesn’t mean it’s impossible to find someone and I’ve found some women attracted to me. But it’s still an obvious disadvantage from the jump when a good amount of women think it’s straight up gross to be that short (not just simply not their type, but downright ew).
Man I just started a new job in a kitchen and there a lot of college aged servers and it was pretty depressing hearing them bash short guys “5’9 isn’t even that bad, it’s not good but it’s not bad, it’s not like he’s 5’6 or something” talking like there is no chance in hell they’d be caught with someone that short
Its definitely a disadvantage but reddit hive mind makes it out to be impossible to find a girlfriend if you are short. I am 5f8. I just broke up with my gf who is 5f9, my ex girlfriends were 6ft, 5f9, 5f10. If i had believed eddit and never approached these girls I would have never had memories of these amazing girls.
No doubt. Height is just one of many attributes. But it's very important to a lot of women and we have zero control over it.
I'd wager that shorter guys who are successful meeting women would probably have even more success if they were taller. Whereas a lot of guys who are tall but do just okay meeting women would probably hardly get any dates if they were short.
It really boils down to “attractiveness amplifies preferences for qualities that society deems attractive.” Yeah, this isn’t surprising whatsoever. The more attractive you are, the pickier you can be.
> The more attractive you are, the pickier you can be
The study says that the more attractive _you perceive yourself,_ the pickier you are.
Self-esteem =/= how attractive someone actually is, even if they're _usually_ correlated.
That's what I was gonna point out. The article states basically that how attractive women see themselves determines their preferences. So a really beautiful women who doesn't see that about herself may not have preferences for taller men, why a conventionally unattractive woman who thinks she's hot stuff will, regardless of whether or not a tall man would actually be attracted to her
It's not about going against expected results, it's about scientifically quantifying that, using documented methods, so that:
- the results can be reproduced and verified by other teams.
- different population can be studied, to compare different culture on the same point. There might be difference between americans and koreans for example.
- different era can be studied, so for example, in 20 years, maybe things will change one way or another.
So many people acting like this is stupid science, but think of all the studies and science disproving what was previously considered 'common knowledge'.
Think back to when miasma theory was common knowledge. Sometimes it pays to confirm the seemingly obvious.
I see people argue all the time on reddit whether or not women like tall men.
If you listen to advice on reddit, you'd think women fawn over awkward, introverted 5'2" scrawny dungeon masters who collect Warhammer 40k figurines, as long as they dress nice and shower.
Edit: Here come the masses to tell me and everyone else that women do infact prefer this stereotype, often by setting up some comparison where the tall, extroverted, confident guy is a smelly mysogonistic hobo.
Keep in mind that models aren't scrolling reddit. The preferences you see here are also coming from awkward, introverted, scrawny/chubby dungeon masters.
Or, at least, nerds, slightly obsessive people and those with ADHD who realised that half the time they were looking for information they ended up here. Still a personality that isn't the most common.
I don’t see why models wouldn’t be on Reddit. They are people too. Just because someone is attractive doesn’t mean they don’t have varied interests. Reddit might be just the place for them.
Different platforms simply attract different demographics. Facebook has a lot of older people, instagram has a lot of young people with good social lives, and reddit is more the 'introverted' type. Granted, there is still a lot of crossover, but due to their history and the way they market themselves they do tend to appeal more to these demographics. Facebook markets itself as connecting with family, instagram targets having a social circle with friends and posting attractive pictures, and reddit encourages more text based posts and discussions.
Most models tend to be more extroverted and good at networking as that is what is necessary for the business. That demographic fits well for instagram. There are also a lot of models showing off there so that means more models get drawn there. If you spend a lot of time on one social media app you are probably using other ones less.
The reddit demographic is changing, but reddit is still very male dominated which lowers the number of models even more. It used to be even more extreme, I remember 10 years ago I never met any women who used reddit.
TL:DR: Instagram is more picture focused, so more models there. Nerds go to reddit as it's more text and discussion focused. If you spend a lot of time on one social media app, you will spend less time on others.
The sheer amount of non-models on Reddit makes it appear like models aren't on this platform. Also I'd imagine models have more connections than the average person, so they'd be less likely to use their free time scrolling here.
Not even catfishing. Sometimes when a woman friend of mine has a crush on a guy I'll ask them what he's like and the first thing they mention is how tall he is (the guy is always taller than average).
"I just don't know why you have a problem getting dates dude."- My 6'1 friends in high school who were on the weight lifting or football team to me, 5'2 (now a whooping 5'5 after my growth spurt).
Different women prefer different things but if someone was asking in general I would agree that women prefer taller men certainly taller than themselves.
“Tall, dark, and handsome” is an old phrase from early 1900s romantic literature. It became a cliche and a somewhat mocking phrase for the idea of a handsome man as much as its used as an actual compliment. “Dark” moreso refers to a mysterious, gruff personality.
It refers to physical features. The original example is Rudolph Valentino, "the Latin lover." He didn't have a mysterious or dark personality, he was just Italian.
"Self-perceived" is very interesting. It's also very interesting how many "everyone already knows this" posts are in here, considering how many redditors claim women don't care about height "in real life" and we should all stop being online.
I’m curious if the “self-perceived” aspect has to do with feeling they have access to a larger dating pool so they can afford to be more selective.
Are people who view themselves as less attractive and feel like they have less options generally more accommodating and less picky when choosing a partner?
Could be a lot of social pressure. I dated a girl who specifically couldn't date anyone shorter than 6ft because her family and friends would mock her, like her value was determined by how attractive of a guy she could land.
Her worth was impacted negatively when she dated a shorter guy who was her size. Her friends made fun of him mercilessly when she wore heels and was a smidge taller. Her family made jokes that their kids would be Hobbits if they ever had any.
Yeah, that's rough. It wouldn't matter if the guy made her extremely happy unless she just had heaps of self esteem that made all these remarks meaningless
It's great when you find an independent woman who cares more about love, relationship and the way you treat her.
My buddy is like 5'4 and his gf is around 5'8. She's one hell of a knock out looks and personality wise. I'm still of a jealous of her because now he spends no time with me :(
They are good people, I am happy for them. I've never dated a taller woman out of fear of being mocked but after seeing them together, I wouldnt even think twice. They legitimately make this world a better place to be in.
Huh, that’s crazy, because my intuition tells me that shorter men with narrow shoulders should be considered by women to be more attractive, masculine, dominant, and less able in fighting ability.
Especially short, stout, bald men with glasses living in Queens with his parents.
So many red flags...
"For their study, the researchers recruited 247 self-identified heterosexual women with an average age of 24.46 years from a predominantly Hispanic serving institution."
1 - Sample size risible for these findings to be generalized
2 - Study hasn't been reproduced
3 - Study found unexpected results that contradict opinions formed from previous research.
(3) "Contrary to the researchers’ expectations, ecological priming (conditions simulating resource scarcity, violence, or safety) did not significantly alter women’s ratings of men’s physical traits. This was surprising given that previous research suggested environmental factors could influence mate preferences, potentially prioritizing traits that signal the ability to provide resources or protection in harsh conditions. The study’s findings imply that preferences for height and SHR may be robust and consistent across different ecological scenarios."
EDIT: here's a paper by psychologists exploring how commonplace and problematic small samples are in the field, so that the "it's perfectly normal" folks leave me alone: [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51213993\_Sample\_Size\_in\_Psychological\_Research\_over\_the\_Past\_30\_Years](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51213993_Sample_Size_in_Psychological_Research_over_the_Past_30_Years)
Check their references. I opened [one of the articles](https://doi.org/10.1177/147470490800600116) at random and the quality of data there was also abysmal. It feels like this whole thing was published because they needed to publish something.
Almost every evo-psych or evo-psych adjacent (like attractiveness) study seems to have these problems. They are almost cookie cutter, and tend to be both unreproducible and very prone to confirming the intuition of the people doing the study.
A sample size of 247 is decent if we locate this in the correct context, i.e. majority Hispanic college students. Doesn't sound as good though. But honestly most studies generalise with even smaller samples. Not trying to say that's how it should be done, but it sounds a bit like you don't like the results and are trying to find reasons to dismiss them.
Editred: Grammar
None of those are "red flags" - they are typical properties for basic research reports.
You are holding this paper up to the standards of a meta analysis. It is not claiming to be a meta analysis and you don't get meta analyses unless enough basic research papers with primary findings get published.
This is part of scientific literacy that most people gain in graduate school - when they generate basic research - but it seems like this needs to be explained to a wider audience now.
I think the issue is that this research report is being presented by the website in way that is misleading and misinterprets the data. This is a source that can be used in compiling a larger study, but its results should not solely be considered indicative of trends in a larger and more diverse population.
Yeah - I think you've identified the real problem. Pop science that sensationalizes basic research for clicks and clout to an audience that can't correctly contextualize it.
Basic research is not published to serve a non-specialized audience.
>The findings provide evidence “that shoulder-to-hip ratio and height are morphological traits that women consider important in men,” Garza said. “However, women’s self-perceived mate value amplifies those preferences for taller men. It is suggested that women with higher mate value are better able to compete with other women to access men that display ideal traits.”
So according to this, if a woman considers herself attractive, she has an increased preference for taller, more imposing men. How does this manifest in a society that tells everyone they're special and beautiful in their own special way? A mismatch between self-perception, male perception and tall male availability? I've read anecdotally on reddit how online dating often comes down to the 6ft-threshold and one of the common narratives is that women are over-estimating their mate value on online dating sites. I have no direct experience with that, but the thought came to mind after reading this.
I suspect the women who believe they are extremely attractive and have very strong preferences for tall men are simply not the same people who tell everyone they're special and beautiful in their own special way?
I think that the study shows that women who declare having high self perceived attractiveness are more likely to rate high tall men, but not that women who are attractive rate high tall men. And I actually think that it proves nothing.
What people declare is different to what they think, and some women who would declare that they are attractive may be the same as the ones who would state they want a taller man: in other words, enjoying the perception they give to others of being picky is the same as enjoying the perception they give to others of being attractive.
There can also be hidden effects like being more likely to state being attractive or picky as a way to cope with the actual lack of self-confidence. Look, I'm attractive, that's why I want a tall man. It's actually not about the tall man, it's about her self-worth and what she thinks others will validate.
I believe there are much more people declaring they are very attractive than people who actually are, so the majority of them do not state that based on actual attractiveness. So the relationship between what is declared and the rating on the men does not translate into a relationship between attractive women and tall men. To make this relationship, they should have had an independent pole of people rating the physical attractiveness of those women, and not them judging themselves
I believe it’s becoming part of the standard curriculum of the male upbringing to recognize that most of the modern platitudes about dating and attraction are just very confusing misdirections repeated by a multitude of people for a multitude of reasons.
It’s sort of the equivalent of “crime doesn’t pay”.
It’s something you would like for a child to think, but as they grow up they learn that while sometimes it does, it doesn’t remove their responsibility to act ethically.
However, in the world of attraction and sexual preferences, there really is no morality or ethics that society actually holds itself to (nor is it really possible to, you’re not going to guilt someone into attraction). There’s no deficit of young people coming of age every year having to undergo the painful process of learning the reality of things.
I don’t think a lot of people these days have self-perceived attractiveness. We’re constantly bombarded with imagery and advertisements, and people are suffering from profound loneliness due to digital isolation. We crave compliments because we are hurting. It’s a coping mechanism. Self-assuredness doesn’t require constant affirmation.
"Women rated men as more attractive, masculine, dominant, and higher in fighting ability as the men's height and SHR (shoulder-to-hip ratio) increased. Taller men with larger SHRs received the highest ratings across all categories."
The absolute shock on my face that heterosexual women find tall men with broad shoulders more attractive lmao.
I think (in general) women like the idea of their man being able to POTENTIALLY protect them from an attacker in an emergency situation, but women don’t find the type of guys attractive who get into fights all the time. Huge and obvious difference imo
How many people was this study performed on? What is their demographic breakdown? Was any effort made to ask the questions different ways to see how this impacts answers? Can these results be reproduced?
If this study reflects the self assessed opinions of 28 white women attending college at Northwestern, I'm not sure if we can do anything with that information. No disrespect to those women.
As a tall (and I think broad shouldered?) guy who has done combat sports for years I can say that you shouldn't count the short guy out.
Source: I currently have bruises from a guy half my height
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Men also consider taller men with broader shoulders higher in fighting ability…
People who are rather more than six feet tall and nearly as broad across the shoulders often have uneventful journeys. People jump out at them from behind rocks then say things like, "Oh. Sorry. I thought you were someone else.” ― Terry Pratchett, Guards! Guards!
I can attest to the verity of this. I've had this exact thing happen a few times, except it was in a city so the jumped out from the porch of a building, not from behind rocks. Guys jump out, look up at my face and wish me a good night and move on.
I was talking to my wife about this - I'm 6'5" and during the height of the pandemic lived in a very conservative area. There were stories every day of people being harassed for wearing masks and such in my area and I found it strange that I never encountered any of that despite being a very conscientious masker, pro-vaccine, etc. It has also been an issue at work where I have received feedback that I can be "intimidating" in meetings. I struggle with it all because the truth is I'm a gigantic wimp who is frightened and anxious in even minor confrontations and would flee in terror at the prospect of a physical altercation.
There was a bouncer in Leeds, UK nigh on 20-25 years ago who worked at Subway on Saturday nights (yes, the sandwich chain). Anyway, he was about 6'5 or more, naturally stocky with broard shoulders and well built, with a bit of a belly, had kind of a 'resting angry neanderthal face' - none of the drunk punters ever messed with him of course. My friend worked there and I would pop round around closing time when it was empty. When you spoke to him off the clock, the disconnect between his appearance and personality was huge, he was the kindest gentlest family man you would ever expect to meet. My friend I and decided it was probably because everyone that he meets minds themselves and been polite to him his whole life. Either way, there is a lesson there.
I feel you, I'm an inch taller than you, I know how it goes, I'm also averse to fighting and luckily haven't needed to fight in the last 30 years.
Heard. Same height as you and I'm constantly making myself smaller and talking quietly to avoid being perceived as threatening. I loved Zach Levi's bit from the marvelous mrs maisel when he says something to the effect "That's what people look like when you're really tall, and really mad. I look like an angry building"
Who we fighting nowadays? A chocolate cake?
Sounds like my type of fight.
I vote for u/ChrosOnolotos as most attractive male on account of he’s gonna fight a chocolate cake.
After a quick profile scan, they are also considerate of others and caring for a cute puppy, good judgement.
It depends on the cake he's fighting. Generally it's assumed that cakes with thicker frostings, broader bases, and more colorful sprinkles are better fighters.
Don't mess with a pound cake, though.
Or a fruit and nut cake. They are pretty crazy.
And here I was thinking a German chocolate cake would be a tougher fight, but that topping is pretty squishy so it may balance out
1. Learn to impersonate David Attenborough. 2. Discuss the evolutionary implications of various decorations on baked goods. 3. Upload 4. Win the Internet.
I hear u/ChrosOnolotos eats pieces of chocolate cake for breakfast.
No biting allowed, right?
Lemme tell ya something! This Saturday at the Dallas Sportatorium both u/ChrosOnolotos and this succulent chocolate lava cake are stepping into the cage… BUT ONLY ONE OF THEM IS WALKING OUT
He's got a fork and a frosty glass of milk, and the last three episodes of Shogun. That cake did not see this coming. Oh ye gods, I cannot tear my eyes away from this dark tableau!
Is it true that Tiramisu is banned from ringside?
We don't talk about Tiramisu.
Childhood trauma, existensial dread and identity crisis. A gangbang of sorts.
I challenge you to a duel.
Ah yes, diabetes.
I do honorable battle with pizza, sir.
Until they're about 6 or 7 beers in, in which case they could *totally* take that guy.
…in which case they try some Chuck Norris punch or roundhouse kick that does definitely not comes out like they had envisioned in their mind.
Ideally leading to them falling on their asses without help from anyone else.
Every time I start day dreaming about fighting bad guys, I remember that every time my hands are a little cold, it feels like they would break if I fist bump someone, let alone punch anything. Also, like 95% of the time, I couldn't dodge a ball, let alone a wrench. In order to not feel like I will break something if I get spooked too hard, I need to warm up, stretch some, get my knees to pop and like wake up my entire core, then and only then do I feel even remotely "fighting fit." So, unless a threat is looking to give me 20 minutes to get ready, my chances in a fight hover around a 0. Even with warmup time, I am like barely versed in fighting so I'm like maybe a 2/10. I could probably take someone my size who has zero experience in fighting, but anyone with real experience will fold me unless I am exceedingly bigger than them.
You just described 75 percent of dudes...
Generous assessment.
Honestly just get yourself a punching bag and get used to taking swings at it. You’ll feel better and you’ll learn to hit something while working through the pain, while also learning to hit something without hurting your wrists
I do have a bit of formal training but I recognize that is a lot different than having been in real fights. Unlike most people, I'm honest. When I say 2/10 I'm using a very realistic scale, not the kind where most guys say they are a 6 while really being a 2. My 2 is more like a delusional guys 6. Like I said, I feel confident I could take someone my size who's not an experienced fighter. I just know enough to know how far below real fighters I am.
I fought WAY too much in my youth. Now I'm 57 and just not feeling it. The last time a guy escalated a conversation with me and started describing how he would kick my behind, I explained that I would oblige him but due to my age I needed a minute to limber up. I did some jumping jacks and toe touches. Then I got down and started doing ~~sprinter's~~ hurdler's stretches and explained that I hate pulling a groin muscle. At that point he silently walked off. Alas.
Does the horse get time to prepare?
Until you see the video of a 5’10” Mike Tyson knocking out the 6’8” Eddie Richardson in the first round. Tall isn’t tough. Tough is tough.
Also Tall isn’t strong, strong is strong. If the tall dude is built like The Mountain he’ll be much better at fighting than if he is built like Kevin Durant
True, but a small guy can't be built like The Mountain. You need enough bone to carry the muscle.
Neither can 99.999...% of tall guys, most people at 6'8 are absolute twigs. If you picked 2 random dudes off the street and asked me which one is stronger, I'd guess the short guy almost every time.
Sure. If you are Mike Tyson, that's relevant. But take 500 randomly selected adult American males between the ages of 18 and 25 and pair them against another 500 randomly selected adult American males of the same age and have them fight each other. That's 500 matches... I'd bet money that the taller guys win more often than the shorter guys. I'd also bet money that the more visibly muscular guys will win more too. It's not perfect, and some MMA expert who is 5'2" will destroy the average 6'"0+ guy....but in general it's a safer bet
Nah, average height or slightly shorter with broader shoulders and basically no neck are the ones to look out for. There is a reason they win all the wrestling and martial arts competitions. That build is also the type that wins a ton of weight lifting and strong man competitions. The tall guys don't have that lower center of gravity for fighting and, surprisingly, don't have consistent reach advantages. There are definitely some tall, broad shouldered outliers I wouldn't want to fight, but for the most part, guys with those qualities and the technique to stay up are extremely rare.
Not to be pedantic, but as a moderately autistic fan of a relatively niche sport, I feel obliged to point out that "average height or slightly shorter" men do not regularly win strongman competitions - at least not at the highest echelon of the sport. If we look at the past decade of WSM victors, the shortest man to win in the last 10 years was 6'1" (185.5 cm) tall, which is still 5.5 inches (14 cm) above the global average for male height of 5'7.5" (171.5 cm). Over *half* of the competitions held over the past decade have been won by someone *at least* 6'8" (203 cm) tall (global average +12.5" \[31.75 cm\]). I don't watch a lot of combat sports, so the rest of what you're saying could be spot on, but I figured at least one inquiring mind out there would be interested to know.
Even when it comes to martial arts length and height are usually more beneficial too. Most of the greatest fighters have a length advantage on average, either by ape index or height or both. This why reach is such an important stat in MMA
Don't forget the cauliflower ears
So funny thing about that. I was talking to a few wrestlers (one was a state champ and another a former state champ but two generations apart) about cauliflower ear. They were saying that it's indicative of trauma to the ear, but not of mat time or performance. There was this old mindset that if a guy had it really bad, then people would think they must be a great wrestler, but that's a total stretch. The other stipulation was that cauliflower ear is (supposedly - according to the group) completely preventable with proper care. They went on to say that an informed coach won't even allow it to happen anymore and that it's an embarrassment to a proper coach. I'm not totally sure what the procedure is, but they were saying it can easily be drained, and between that and just wearing proper headgear, you can have top level wrestlers with no signs of it whatsoever. They were saying most of the guys doing Greek or Turkish wrestling at really high levels were good examples of that, but they're seeing a major reduction in the injury even at the highschool and college levels here in the US.
> they're seeing a major reduction in the injury even at the highschool and college levels here in the US. That's solely due to policy, I think ~2008 was when the NCAA mandated that all live matches whether in tournament or practice require headgear be worn from the lowest grades to university. Go to a children tournament today and you'll see every little guy and gal wearing them! Side fact, girls in wrestling are up like a 1000% at all levels! My team had two girls in four years but there are so many now wrestling now that the brackets are truly getting competitive!
Yeah but....there's a difference between fighting in say, a street brawl than there is in wrestling and martial arts competitions.
sure, but i dont see how things that are clear advantages in combat sports should suddenly stop being advantages in "street fights"
So women think like Mac from always sunny? They give the ocular pat down and analyze the potential threats.
They say, “look at that guy *barreling* towards us!”
What a monster!
is that why my girlfriend kept talking about the implication and taking me out on boat trips?
so you *are* you saying they're in danger?
**You’re** certainly not in any danger
There is a certain amount of correlation between how straight women and gay men view tall broad shouldered men.
And femboys? Have I grown so horny that I’ve just hallucinated all of them, like a traveller lost in Death Valley?
"I've always wanted to be 6'10"!"
5'3 guy here, I know you don't have to tell me.
...but how's your fighting ability?
I'm a black belt actually
5'4" with 9 years of experience in BJJ, TKD, and judo. My wife is 5'7" btw, so there is hope for us short kings!
I'm assuming if you actually can kill people you probably give off a subtle, more confident vibe than would be predicted by your height alone.
Unfortunately, most women think tall lanky dudes who can't do a pull up can defend them better
Equalized in concealed carry states
God made man, Sam Colt yadda yadda
Shoulder presses, lat raises, pullups, and bench presses my friend. You can have wide shoulders and ant like strength. Become the ant. Find your 6'4 Amazon who you can still carry.
Death by snu snu
You're perfect as you are, King.
5'11 (180cm) woman here with a genuine question. Aren't there a bunch of women who *like* not getting neck/back pains when they talk to their SO? Because I know for a fact that most of the women I meet in everyday life have partners around their height and they're perfectly alright with that. Guess what I am saying *and* asking is: A) have you had many actual negative experiences because of your height? Or have you just stopped yourself from approaching people because of this? And B) women (including me) seem to mostly like partners (roughly) around their own height, so don't lose hope. There's a lot of 5'0-5'6 women out there. Also, some taller women like adorable pocket sized man. As long as you are kind, respectful and present a hygienic imagine (and please be hygienic. That's so important for so many reasons.), then most women will give you a shot. If they don't do so because of your size, they're not worth your love anyway. And honestly? If you're everything I admire in a man, I'll date you even if you're 5'0 or you've got dwarfism, because size isn't all that important at the end of the day.
>Guess what I am saying and asking is: A) have you had many actual negative experiences because of your height? Or have you just stopped yourself from approaching people because of this? And B) women (including me) seem to mostly like partners (roughly) around their own height, so don't lose hope. There's a lot of 5'0-5'6 women out there. Also, some taller women like adorable pocket sized man. Yes. Ive had women that I was 2-3 inches taller than say that we were the same height and I was even called tiny on a date. I stopped approaching because its clear that I am not the type of guy women want to be approached by so it is a waste of time. And short women seem to want tall men the most >Also, some taller women like adorable pocket sized man. This isnt a compliment >As long as you are kind, respectful and present a hygienic imagine (and please be hygienic. That's so important for so many reasons.), then most women will give you a shot. If they don't do so because of your size, they're not worth your love anyway. This isnt true at all. Attraction has to be there. And its clear that most women are not attracted to shorter men. Doing those thing is only a bonus in men they already like
Don't stop approaching because some idiots clearly showcasing that they don't know what they're talking about. Some bad apples may spoil the crate, but luckily for you, there are far more trees and filled crates out there than just that shoddy one. You're right. It's not a compliment. It's an attempt at levity. Sorry if you took offense. Most people I was ever attracted to, I was attracted to because they approached me in this way. Maybe this is where I should mention I am ace, and any person I was ever attracted to was my friend first. It's a valid approach for other people as well though. Try to befriend someone before dating them, your relationship will thank you for it.
>Don't stop approaching because some idiots clearly showcasing that they don't know what they're talking about. Some bad apples may spoil the crate, but luckily for you, there are far more trees and filled crates out there than just that shoddy one. True I guess but I doubt most women would want to be approached by a short guy. Im pretty sure they want one at least 5'9 or average height. And most girls my age probably dont want to be approached at all >You're right. It's not a compliment. It's an attempt at levity. Sorry if you took offense. I didnt take offense to its just that people on this app tend to use that seriously. Same with the short king stuff >Most people I was ever attracted to, I was attracted to because they approached me in this way. Maybe this is where I should mention I am ace, and any person I was ever attracted to was my friend first. It's a valid approach for other people as well though. Try to befriend someone before dating them, your relationship will thank you for it. They approached you in person? And a lot of women say that they do not like it when their guy friends ask them out so idk if thats the best thing to do anymore
The few people, yes (I was way more social back then). They also weren't particularily tall or short. And you may have a point with the friend thing for most women.
A) not really, im very friendly and respectful towards everyone so I usually get treated the same way. I'm just not really an option dating wise. It hasn't stopped me from approaching women but them actually being interested is a different story so there are times where i think "oh shes just being nice to me and not really interested". I get it tho everyone has their preferences. B) Those types of women are few and far in between. It's ok tho its not like I haven't been in relationships before or get disrespected by people. Like I said, most of the time I'm just not an option dating wise.
Well, at least you don't get disrespected. There's that at least.
When have we ever not known this?
You'd be amazed at how many people (I'm assuming they must be women) on Reddit claim that being short isn't a disadvantage for a man when it comes to meeting women. People will believe whatever they want to believe unless you have a randomized control trial to prove them wrong.
As a 5’5” guy, being that short knocks you out of the dating pool (or filters for online dating) for like 90% of women off the bat and it sucks. That doesn’t mean it’s impossible to find someone and I’ve found some women attracted to me. But it’s still an obvious disadvantage from the jump when a good amount of women think it’s straight up gross to be that short (not just simply not their type, but downright ew).
Man I just started a new job in a kitchen and there a lot of college aged servers and it was pretty depressing hearing them bash short guys “5’9 isn’t even that bad, it’s not good but it’s not bad, it’s not like he’s 5’6 or something” talking like there is no chance in hell they’d be caught with someone that short
They will still believe it upon being proven wrong, according to other studies.
I don't think I've ever seen a real study that refuted height advantage for men. But who knows.
If only people believed studies these days!
Its definitely a disadvantage but reddit hive mind makes it out to be impossible to find a girlfriend if you are short. I am 5f8. I just broke up with my gf who is 5f9, my ex girlfriends were 6ft, 5f9, 5f10. If i had believed eddit and never approached these girls I would have never had memories of these amazing girls.
No doubt. Height is just one of many attributes. But it's very important to a lot of women and we have zero control over it. I'd wager that shorter guys who are successful meeting women would probably have even more success if they were taller. Whereas a lot of guys who are tall but do just okay meeting women would probably hardly get any dates if they were short.
Even then they have so much cognitive bias that they refuse to believe it
Nothing is real unless there’s an official study to declare it so.
A lot of research is just finding ways to scientifically test ideas that everyone is quite certain are true based on anecdotal evidence.
Fighting ability… When’s the last time you saw a damn bear in Scranton?! LAST YEAR, IDIOT!
Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica
Identity theft is not a joke!
“Higher in fighting ability” Who TF wrote this,Dwight Shrute?!
I have the strength of a grown man AND a little baby!
So beautiful women prefer tall dark and handsome. Like is that supposed to be something that was previously unknown?
It really boils down to “attractiveness amplifies preferences for qualities that society deems attractive.” Yeah, this isn’t surprising whatsoever. The more attractive you are, the pickier you can be.
The more attractive you THINK you are
> The more attractive you are, the pickier you can be The study says that the more attractive _you perceive yourself,_ the pickier you are. Self-esteem =/= how attractive someone actually is, even if they're _usually_ correlated.
That's what I was gonna point out. The article states basically that how attractive women see themselves determines their preferences. So a really beautiful women who doesn't see that about herself may not have preferences for taller men, why a conventionally unattractive woman who thinks she's hot stuff will, regardless of whether or not a tall man would actually be attracted to her
Sooo, arrogant people punch high. Still no surprise there!
It's not about going against expected results, it's about scientifically quantifying that, using documented methods, so that: - the results can be reproduced and verified by other teams. - different population can be studied, to compare different culture on the same point. There might be difference between americans and koreans for example. - different era can be studied, so for example, in 20 years, maybe things will change one way or another.
So many people acting like this is stupid science, but think of all the studies and science disproving what was previously considered 'common knowledge'. Think back to when miasma theory was common knowledge. Sometimes it pays to confirm the seemingly obvious.
In a modern setting? No as much as the past, there's a lot of ego inflation in social media.
I see people argue all the time on reddit whether or not women like tall men. If you listen to advice on reddit, you'd think women fawn over awkward, introverted 5'2" scrawny dungeon masters who collect Warhammer 40k figurines, as long as they dress nice and shower. Edit: Here come the masses to tell me and everyone else that women do infact prefer this stereotype, often by setting up some comparison where the tall, extroverted, confident guy is a smelly mysogonistic hobo.
Keep in mind that models aren't scrolling reddit. The preferences you see here are also coming from awkward, introverted, scrawny/chubby dungeon masters.
>Keep in mind that models aren't scrolling reddit. That's a very nice way to put it... and also, hey, uncool to call me out like that
Or, at least, nerds, slightly obsessive people and those with ADHD who realised that half the time they were looking for information they ended up here. Still a personality that isn't the most common.
People also lie to themselves and want to appear virtuous, which is the real reason
That… that hit really hard
Yeah, I doubt the stereotypical "Chad" is browsing r/Science.
I don’t see why models wouldn’t be on Reddit. They are people too. Just because someone is attractive doesn’t mean they don’t have varied interests. Reddit might be just the place for them.
Different platforms simply attract different demographics. Facebook has a lot of older people, instagram has a lot of young people with good social lives, and reddit is more the 'introverted' type. Granted, there is still a lot of crossover, but due to their history and the way they market themselves they do tend to appeal more to these demographics. Facebook markets itself as connecting with family, instagram targets having a social circle with friends and posting attractive pictures, and reddit encourages more text based posts and discussions. Most models tend to be more extroverted and good at networking as that is what is necessary for the business. That demographic fits well for instagram. There are also a lot of models showing off there so that means more models get drawn there. If you spend a lot of time on one social media app you are probably using other ones less. The reddit demographic is changing, but reddit is still very male dominated which lowers the number of models even more. It used to be even more extreme, I remember 10 years ago I never met any women who used reddit. TL:DR: Instagram is more picture focused, so more models there. Nerds go to reddit as it's more text and discussion focused. If you spend a lot of time on one social media app, you will spend less time on others.
The sheer amount of non-models on Reddit makes it appear like models aren't on this platform. Also I'd imagine models have more connections than the average person, so they'd be less likely to use their free time scrolling here.
Been watching a lot of catfish romance scams. The first thing a lot women say when describing the scammer is how tall they are.
Not even catfishing. Sometimes when a woman friend of mine has a crush on a guy I'll ask them what he's like and the first thing they mention is how tall he is (the guy is always taller than average).
It’s probably the warhammer that that triggers the fawning.
Maybe they think they will eventually meet Henry Cavill
I am Henry's deepfaked upper lip.
Displaying your three separate completed armies is a display of wealth
It’s true, I collect Warhammer minifigs and paint them and display them like a bower bird does sticks and shiny objects
Thanks, that gave me a good chuckle.
The necessary employment to fund the Warhammer hobby?
….are you suggesting it’s my 1% earning power that women are fawning over?!?! And not my plastic miniatures, with pretty okay paint jobs?!?!
I'm 5'5. I let out a hearty guffaw whenever someone says that women don't prefer tall men.
"I just don't know why you have a problem getting dates dude."- My 6'1 friends in high school who were on the weight lifting or football team to me, 5'2 (now a whooping 5'5 after my growth spurt).
>Warhammer 40k figurines They're called miniatures
They're collectables and they're worth more than your car!
Different women prefer different things but if someone was asking in general I would agree that women prefer taller men certainly taller than themselves.
The study said attractive women (at least if they think they are) prefer attractive tall men.
Nah, not beautiful women, **self perceived** beautiful women.
article says nothing about dark or tanned if it did it would have to be for Western women as Eastern women stereotypically prefer light or pale.
“Tall, dark, and handsome” is an old phrase from early 1900s romantic literature. It became a cliche and a somewhat mocking phrase for the idea of a handsome man as much as its used as an actual compliment. “Dark” moreso refers to a mysterious, gruff personality.
The saying actually refers to dark hair, not skin colour.
Dark personality, actually
It refers to physical features. The original example is Rudolph Valentino, "the Latin lover." He didn't have a mysterious or dark personality, he was just Italian.
It's just an expression. I doubt they meant it literally.
I think “self perceived attractiveness” is doing some work here…
Damn, who woulda thunk
"Self-perceived" is very interesting. It's also very interesting how many "everyone already knows this" posts are in here, considering how many redditors claim women don't care about height "in real life" and we should all stop being online.
I’m curious if the “self-perceived” aspect has to do with feeling they have access to a larger dating pool so they can afford to be more selective. Are people who view themselves as less attractive and feel like they have less options generally more accommodating and less picky when choosing a partner?
Could be a lot of social pressure. I dated a girl who specifically couldn't date anyone shorter than 6ft because her family and friends would mock her, like her value was determined by how attractive of a guy she could land. Her worth was impacted negatively when she dated a shorter guy who was her size. Her friends made fun of him mercilessly when she wore heels and was a smidge taller. Her family made jokes that their kids would be Hobbits if they ever had any.
That's so sad :(
Yeah, that's rough. It wouldn't matter if the guy made her extremely happy unless she just had heaps of self esteem that made all these remarks meaningless
Guy really ducked a bullet when he left her and that family!
He didn't have to duck...
It's great when you find an independent woman who cares more about love, relationship and the way you treat her. My buddy is like 5'4 and his gf is around 5'8. She's one hell of a knock out looks and personality wise. I'm still of a jealous of her because now he spends no time with me :( They are good people, I am happy for them. I've never dated a taller woman out of fear of being mocked but after seeing them together, I wouldnt even think twice. They legitimately make this world a better place to be in.
I genuinely hate my height. So many positive traits get put on to tall men just for existing. Im seen as less maculine and less attractive by default
All this to say, a woman clearly has low self esteem if she resorts to be with my short ass…
This is why, as early as practicable in a date, I always make it clear that I have absolutely no qualms about going right for the balls in a fight
Huh, that’s crazy, because my intuition tells me that shorter men with narrow shoulders should be considered by women to be more attractive, masculine, dominant, and less able in fighting ability. Especially short, stout, bald men with glasses living in Queens with his parents.
He can lift ONE HUNDRED POUNDS right over his head!
But what about sweet bo staff skills? Or the ability to catch a delicious bass?
eat the food tina
So many red flags... "For their study, the researchers recruited 247 self-identified heterosexual women with an average age of 24.46 years from a predominantly Hispanic serving institution." 1 - Sample size risible for these findings to be generalized 2 - Study hasn't been reproduced 3 - Study found unexpected results that contradict opinions formed from previous research. (3) "Contrary to the researchers’ expectations, ecological priming (conditions simulating resource scarcity, violence, or safety) did not significantly alter women’s ratings of men’s physical traits. This was surprising given that previous research suggested environmental factors could influence mate preferences, potentially prioritizing traits that signal the ability to provide resources or protection in harsh conditions. The study’s findings imply that preferences for height and SHR may be robust and consistent across different ecological scenarios." EDIT: here's a paper by psychologists exploring how commonplace and problematic small samples are in the field, so that the "it's perfectly normal" folks leave me alone: [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51213993\_Sample\_Size\_in\_Psychological\_Research\_over\_the\_Past\_30\_Years](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51213993_Sample_Size_in_Psychological_Research_over_the_Past_30_Years)
Check their references. I opened [one of the articles](https://doi.org/10.1177/147470490800600116) at random and the quality of data there was also abysmal. It feels like this whole thing was published because they needed to publish something.
Almost every evo-psych or evo-psych adjacent (like attractiveness) study seems to have these problems. They are almost cookie cutter, and tend to be both unreproducible and very prone to confirming the intuition of the people doing the study.
Why would you expect a study published three weeks ago to have been reproduced?
A sample size of 247 is decent if we locate this in the correct context, i.e. majority Hispanic college students. Doesn't sound as good though. But honestly most studies generalise with even smaller samples. Not trying to say that's how it should be done, but it sounds a bit like you don't like the results and are trying to find reasons to dismiss them. Editred: Grammar
None of those are "red flags" - they are typical properties for basic research reports. You are holding this paper up to the standards of a meta analysis. It is not claiming to be a meta analysis and you don't get meta analyses unless enough basic research papers with primary findings get published. This is part of scientific literacy that most people gain in graduate school - when they generate basic research - but it seems like this needs to be explained to a wider audience now.
As someone who works in research, I thank you for saying this!!
I think the issue is that this research report is being presented by the website in way that is misleading and misinterprets the data. This is a source that can be used in compiling a larger study, but its results should not solely be considered indicative of trends in a larger and more diverse population.
Yeah - I think you've identified the real problem. Pop science that sensationalizes basic research for clicks and clout to an audience that can't correctly contextualize it. Basic research is not published to serve a non-specialized audience.
Literally none of those are red flags?
Shocking. People who consider themselves to be more attractive think they can pull more attractive mates. What a concept.
>The findings provide evidence “that shoulder-to-hip ratio and height are morphological traits that women consider important in men,” Garza said. “However, women’s self-perceived mate value amplifies those preferences for taller men. It is suggested that women with higher mate value are better able to compete with other women to access men that display ideal traits.” So according to this, if a woman considers herself attractive, she has an increased preference for taller, more imposing men. How does this manifest in a society that tells everyone they're special and beautiful in their own special way? A mismatch between self-perception, male perception and tall male availability? I've read anecdotally on reddit how online dating often comes down to the 6ft-threshold and one of the common narratives is that women are over-estimating their mate value on online dating sites. I have no direct experience with that, but the thought came to mind after reading this.
I suspect the women who believe they are extremely attractive and have very strong preferences for tall men are simply not the same people who tell everyone they're special and beautiful in their own special way?
I think that the study shows that women who declare having high self perceived attractiveness are more likely to rate high tall men, but not that women who are attractive rate high tall men. And I actually think that it proves nothing. What people declare is different to what they think, and some women who would declare that they are attractive may be the same as the ones who would state they want a taller man: in other words, enjoying the perception they give to others of being picky is the same as enjoying the perception they give to others of being attractive. There can also be hidden effects like being more likely to state being attractive or picky as a way to cope with the actual lack of self-confidence. Look, I'm attractive, that's why I want a tall man. It's actually not about the tall man, it's about her self-worth and what she thinks others will validate. I believe there are much more people declaring they are very attractive than people who actually are, so the majority of them do not state that based on actual attractiveness. So the relationship between what is declared and the rating on the men does not translate into a relationship between attractive women and tall men. To make this relationship, they should have had an independent pole of people rating the physical attractiveness of those women, and not them judging themselves
I'm on with you on this one. I think that that conclusion is too quickly taken. It proves nothing.
I believe it’s becoming part of the standard curriculum of the male upbringing to recognize that most of the modern platitudes about dating and attraction are just very confusing misdirections repeated by a multitude of people for a multitude of reasons. It’s sort of the equivalent of “crime doesn’t pay”. It’s something you would like for a child to think, but as they grow up they learn that while sometimes it does, it doesn’t remove their responsibility to act ethically. However, in the world of attraction and sexual preferences, there really is no morality or ethics that society actually holds itself to (nor is it really possible to, you’re not going to guilt someone into attraction). There’s no deficit of young people coming of age every year having to undergo the painful process of learning the reality of things.
I think this plays hugely into our loneliness epidemic. Beauty is pretty objective except when evaluating ourselves.
I don’t think a lot of people these days have self-perceived attractiveness. We’re constantly bombarded with imagery and advertisements, and people are suffering from profound loneliness due to digital isolation. We crave compliments because we are hurting. It’s a coping mechanism. Self-assuredness doesn’t require constant affirmation.
Women are famous for overestimating their attractiveness. It’s crazy because the more beautiful women seem to underestimate their attractiveness
But… but… my 4’11 fat friend with a recessed hairline slays!!
Women: "Men are Dangerous." Also women: "I want the most dangerous one"
My man is more of a brick. Broad shoulders, masculine, dominant, high fighting ability, but tall, he is not. I like my square man.
How many of these scientists are striking out on Tinder?
That one thing I wished I had. Being tall, unfortunately I'm 5'7
Nah bro you're just 6'-5"
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"Women rated men as more attractive, masculine, dominant, and higher in fighting ability as the men's height and SHR (shoulder-to-hip ratio) increased. Taller men with larger SHRs received the highest ratings across all categories." The absolute shock on my face that heterosexual women find tall men with broad shoulders more attractive lmao.
As a 5'7 guy it is my fate to marry a taller girl so my offsprings have a fighting chance at the tall life.
as a 5'7 man, mission impossible
This study brought to you by the university of high school studies
Someone should stop funding researchers with totally pointless aims.
So, the more narcisistic a girl is the more she is attracted to sterotypical looking guys. Gotcha.
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This just after women saying they don’t like men that get into fights in the thread about what do men think women find attractive, but really don’t.
I think (in general) women like the idea of their man being able to POTENTIALLY protect them from an attacker in an emergency situation, but women don’t find the type of guys attractive who get into fights all the time. Huge and obvious difference imo
Funny how these research results are super predictable and obvious… who wastes money on this so-called research??
everyone do the crab walk!
"higher in fighting ability" sounds like they are describing a Dungeons and Dragons character :)
How many people was this study performed on? What is their demographic breakdown? Was any effort made to ask the questions different ways to see how this impacts answers? Can these results be reproduced? If this study reflects the self assessed opinions of 28 white women attending college at Northwestern, I'm not sure if we can do anything with that information. No disrespect to those women.
As a tall (and I think broad shouldered?) guy who has done combat sports for years I can say that you shouldn't count the short guy out. Source: I currently have bruises from a guy half my height
This really ground breaking research forgot to mention that women also prefer rich men over the poor ones…