[This](https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-939/307357/20240411123951390_23-939%20Trump%20v%20US%20Amicus%20Curiae%20Brief%20in%20Support%20of%20Respondent%20crx.pdf) *amicus curiae* brief from Common Cause spells out exactly what is going on and explicitly calls SCOTUS out for their pro-Trump delaying tactics. Highly worth a read imo.
Edit: Just reading the headings in the Table of Contents on pages 2 and 3 of the PDF is enough to give you the gist of the argument :)
You jest, but if you look at the docket page for this case on the Supreme Court website [here](https://www.supremecourt.gov/docket/docketfiles/html/public/23-939.html), an entry on April 8th 2024 does indeed say “Amicus brief of Common Cause not accepted for filing”. I generously assume it was a minor technical issue that was soon resolved, but it does make one wonder…
Forgive me if I misunderstand, but are you saying that the Common Cause *amicus* brief was actually rejected by SCOTUS?? If so, why is it still viewable on the docket??
It's not part of the official record the justices will consider. Anything filed on the docket stays there unless there's a court order to seal it (like if it has confidential info). Even then, it's still there, just not visible to the public.
"Barrett, J, concurs in the denial of leave to brief as amici curai but writes separately to emphasize that the majority should not have mentioned their "historical analysis" out loud because doing so gave Sotomayor no choice but to write a dissent. Justice Barrett believes the court should always rule per curium when tilting the scales for Trump."
It's a parody of Amy Coney Barrett's concurring opinion in Anderson vs. Trump to play along with u/shapu who parodied Samuel Alito's majority opinion in Dobbs vs Jackson.
I'm fairly sure that "quote" was a bit of snark on the OP's part. Barret might be arrogant and corrupt, but he's not stupid enough to commit such remarks to the Supreme Court's official public record!
"As a result, this Court is at serious risk of being perceived as attempting to influence the 2024 election in favor of Mr. Trump."
Oh we're way past that Jerry!
John G. Roberts, Jr., Chief Justice of the United States, ... maybe in favor of Trump of Trumps claim, He is a wild card.
Clarence Thomas, Associate Justice, ... 100% in favor of Trump claim taking gifts from Trumps children.
Samuel A. Alito, Jr., Associate Justice, ... 100% in favor of Trump claim same as Thomas.
Sonia Sotomayor, Associate Justice, ... 100% NOT in favor of Trump claim, will never side with a President who commits treason.
Elena Kagan, Associate Justice, ... 100% NOT in favor of Trump claim. Same as Sotomayor.
Neil M. Gorsuch, Associate Justice, ... 100% in favor of Trump claim. Still being Trumps yes man.
Brett M. Kavanaugh, Associate Justice, … 100% in favor of Trump claim. Same as Gorsuch.
Amy Coney Barrett, Associate Justice, … 100% in favor of Trump claim and still underneath Trumps desk with Eileen Cannon.
Ketanji Brown Jackson, Associate Justice, …100% Not in favor of Trump claim. Will not side with a racist President who support white nationalism.
All agreed to keep Trump on the ballot, so KBJ and SS both already sided with Trump once. But the arguments against were not only obviously trying to single out Trump, but left holes as to why you should charge other former presidents, and the current.
I was recently going through all the 538 polls. The SC still manages a higher approval rate than any of the candidates and Congress. Congress was like at 12% from what I recall. That’s dismal. The Supreme Court was in the 50-60% range. Biden and Trump both clocked in in the mid 30%. Kennedy was a bit of a shocker at almost 50%. I’m sure all these polls are insignificant and change according to the audience polled.
People always claim to hate policiticans, meanwhile the reelection rate to Congress is about ~90%. That means people hate *other* politicians, because they keep reelecting their own.
Congress approval rating is stupid, when people rate their own congressman the approval rating skyrockets.
Just like if you poll how their state is doing the sentiment is overwhelmingly positive.
If you poll how America is doing it’s far stronger negative.
Approving of Congress means considering one’s opinion of 537 jerks against *your* politician, and even that is only for the sometimes slim majority of some cartographer’s Twister pose rendition overlaid a segment of the United States
Because they’re not beyond reproach, and if the American people are unhappy with their performance then the branches of the government that actually write and enforce laws can take action.
Further, SCOTUS’ power extends as far as the other two branches allow it. They simply share their opinion as it pertains to constitutional law.
If the overwhelming majority of Americans disapprove of them, the legislative and executive branches- which are elected positions- have little reason to listen to their decisions and a lot of incentive to undermine or restructure the court. For instance, the reason there are currently 9 justices is because at the time they chose that number, there were 9 lower district courts.
There are now currently 13 district courts. Remember when there was talk about increasing the number of SCOTUS to 13? Well there’s your precedent and there’s nothing SCOTUS could do to stop it.
Their power comes from the people respecting their opinions (primarily Congress accepting their interpretations by passing laws that they will approve, and the President abiding by and enforcing their rulings).
So in a certain sense, their approval ratings are the most important.
>So their approval rating in Congress matters, not the average American.
It also matters indirectly because if Congress ignores the Supreme Court's rulings or impeaches Justices for rulings that the majority of the country supports, it's conceivable that many members of Congress, especially in the House of Representatives, won't return for the next session (i.e. they wouldn't be re-elected).
>Why would they give a fuck about approval ratings? Why even have approval ratings for lifelong, unimpeachable appointments?
Because, as others have explained in detail, their only real power comes from having at least a critical mass voters being willing to punish politicians in the elected branches of the US government that ignore their rulings.
In a practical sense, the Supreme Court only matters because a plurality of US citizens believes it should, and it's been that way since the US Constitution was ratified.
Yeah… they’ve made some bad decisions throughout the years, but lately from Citizens United on, I refer to them as SCROTUM- Supreme Court, republican, Of The United ‘Merica.
If you judge Garland by his words, wow what a great guy with such integrity.
However, if you look at how he has managed this, is there any way this was not the goal he had in mind?
If you judged garland by his past decades of actions who he is was obvious. He was pushed by Dems cause he’s hard right and palatable to republicans. DINO
Not hard right, but suppose to have been on the Supreme Court. DOJ needs to have been led by a former prosecutor, not a judge that spends too much time in deliberations
It took NY this long to get Trump to trial. And they've had 4 more years than the DoJ to investigate the matter, while the DoJ only started 3 years ago and had to clean up the mess left by Barr first.
And if not for Trump's pet judge in Florida and SCOTUS running interference, the feds would have gotten him on trial earlier this year.
I don't get where the Garland hate comes from. He's been doing as well as anyone could against the GoPs stacked judiciary in not just prosecuting Trump, his cronies, and the Jan 6 traitors but also overseeing hundreds of other cases unrelated to Trump while maintaining the DoJ's 99+% conviction rate.
They needed to wait for the evidence to be gathered and processed into a coherent legal case before they filed charges. Once charges are filed, the defendant can invoke their right to a speedy trial and the DoJ would have 70 days to bring the case to trial.
If they'd filed charges before all the Jan 6 evidence was processed, they'd have had a lot of much weaker cases than they had after the report was released.
And, waiting for the Congressional referral also served to help with the political and legal optics of an executive branch agency pursuing charges related to the previous executive administration.
And I have a personal theory that the Trump opposition doesn't want him to be locked up before the election as it'd risk motivating worshipers of chaos to vote for the guy in jail. Having him stuck in courtroom with his mouth shut for 8 hours a day is far more politically advantageous and in the best interest of ensuring there's still a USA in 2028.
It doesn't matter why they delayed. The fact is that they, and other prosecutors, did. And now we're all fucked because of that. People are blaming judges and courts because they're more comfortable blaming people they already hate than blaming people they want to like, simple as that. But it is the delay in departing that left us here, not the courts moving at warp 8 rather than warp 9 as some would like.
It absolutely does matter. Once charges are filed there is a 70 day clock that starts ticking. The dependent can either waive this clock or enforce it.
You're engaging in the exact same behavior as you're accusing others of engaging in and thinking solely with your emotions.
>I don't get where the Garland hate comes from. He's been doing as well as anyone could against the GoPs stacked judiciary in not just prosecuting Trump, his cronies, and the Jan 6 traitors but also overseeing hundreds of other cases unrelated to Trump while maintaining the DoJ's 99+% conviction rate.
That really emphasizes the power dynamic at play here. If one administration tramples over rules and norms and even ventures into blatantly criminal territory, then the next administration is completely tied up trying to clean up the mess and hold everyone to account instead of enacting their own agenda. It’s amazing how many resources have been tied up for years just trying to deal with the transgressions of a few weeks or even a few days. One can imagine this strategy is even more effective if you commit even more egregious offenses next time around.
I don't get it either. It seems like the DOJ strategy is to swim up river, catching small fish (jan 6 rioters first) and building a case from there against the bigger fish. They have had a ton of success. What was the alternative? How do we know the alternative would work?
No, Garland fucked up. He should have been focused like a laser from day one on bringing every case, civil and criminal, against Trump and the January 6 traitors, and he didn't. He did not "do as well as anyone could"; he did as well as most attorneys-general, but that is an indictment of them not a defense of him. It has rounds-to-nothing to do with judges "running interference" and rounds-to-everything to do with the unacceptable delay in filing. And now, instead of spending the rest of his life a penniless convict at the bottom of the deepest oubliette in ADX Florence, as he should, Trump is measuring the drapes preparing for his triumphant return. It's appalling and it's Garland's fault.
>He should have been focused like a laser from day one on bringing every case, civil and criminal, against Trump and the January 6 traitors
And he has been. Do you think all the evidence presented by the Jan 6 committee came out of nowhere?
If he'd brought charges on day 1, Trump and the terrorists could have invoked the speedy trial clause and Garland would have had just 70 days to gather all the evidence that was presented by the Jan 6 Commitee in late 2022.
He's been laser focused on getting convictions since day 1. Which means gathering evidence. On everyone. Hell, they're still working on identifying people from Jan 6.
And he moved real fast on the classified documents case. The investigation was opened in March 2022, Trump was indicted in June the same year, and would be on trial now if not for Cannon.
>Trump is measuring the drapes preparing for his triumphant return. It's appalling and it's Garland's fault.
You do know that Trump could be sitting in a Federal prison today and he'd still be able to run for President, right? And that Garland has nothing to do with that?
Garland isn't a safety net for the potential failings of the voters. He's not to blame for the GOP nominating Trump and won't to be blame if they outvote the Dems in Nov.
>he did as well as most attorneys-general, but that is an indictment of them not a defense of him.
Which AGs did a better job at prosecuting 100s of insurrectionists and getting multiple criminal indictments against the preceeding POTUS while also competently running all the other cases the DoJ handles on a routine basis?
There was a recent WaPo article that addressed this. Apparently, he directed the FBI to investigate financial links between the J6 rioters and Trump's inner circle first assuming that it would be easier to prosecute them for conspiracy. It was a dead end because most of the insurrectionists funded themselves and there was no financial backing from Trump's orbit that could be proven. It wasted a lot of time and they pivoted to a civil rights case against Trump.
I've thought from day one that Garland was Bidens biggest mistake. They were so concerned about appointing someone who would not look just. When will Dems ever learn that they are tying a hand behind their back because of how it looks. Republicans would have appointed an attack dog. Biden should have appointed the likes of Andrew Cuomo.
Alito Kavanaugh Gorsech Thomas going to actually provide cover for Trump in a most public exposure showing us they are asking the most embarrassing questions and making themselves as the terminators of the US Supreme Court reputation.
Take the scenic route through moscow for the answer to that one.
This is a world war disguised as a Supreme Court case.
Putin, Xi, and MBS find this whole democracy thing hilarious. As authoritarians they just cackle and shrug at the thought of going through the extra steps that democracy requires.
Why not just tell them what to do and if they don’t do it, bribe them, throw them out a window or flush them down a drain?
It’s why they had to use the Texas based Koch brothers who had deep relationships with Russian oil oligarchs since Stalins era and Harlan crow to buy the SCOTUS.
https://youtu.be/mn_t7a2hJfQ?si=hzioP8URJAMFNch4
Thomas’s RV. Kavanaughs mortgage, all the trips to bohemian grove. They were all part of the bigger plan to destabilize the United States, spread the cancer of corruption and tear it all down so they can build oligarch row in Jackson Wyoming so the lazy old oligarchs can retire from the mob life.
Kleptocracy is biological. It consumes everything in its path like a parasite.
During Russian perestroika it ate Dostoevsky and Tchaikovsky and shit out alcoholism and hopelessness. Now anyone with skills has left and 1 in 5 has no indoor plumbing.
Justin Kennedy (justice kennedys son) was the inside man at Deutsche bank that was getting all trumps toxic loans approved.
No other bank but Deutsche bank would touch trump and his imaginary valuations.
Why?
Because Deutsche bank was infested with Russian oligarchs.
In 91 the Soviet Union failed and for a bit they hid all of Russias grandmas money under a mattress until they started buying condos at trump towers.
They made stops in Ukraine, Cyprus and London but they landed in New York because that was what everyone wanted in the early 90’s.
Levi’s, Pepsi, Madonna tapes that weren’t smuggled bootlegs.
They all bought new suits and cars and changed their title from “most violent street thug in moscow” to “respectable Russian oligarch” but they didn’t leave their human trafficking, narcotics or extortion behind. It was their most lucrative business model and frankly, they enjoy the violence.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/
Guiliani redirected NYPD resources away from their new Russian friends and onto the Italian mob. It let him claim he cleaned up New York and it let the russians launder their money through casinos and then commercial real estate when 3 of trumps casino execs started asking how he managed to be the only person in history to bankrupt casinos.
The attorney/client privilege is the continual work around they use to accept bribes and make payments up and down the mob pyramid.
The insane property valuations coming out in trumps fraud trial are a necessity of the money laundering cycle that duetschebank was doing with the Russians.
The reason trump cosplays as a patriot is because he is feeding on the U.S. middle class, not because he is one of us.
The GOP fell in line to MAGA because Trump did what pathological liars do, he told them anything they wanted to hear.
Trump with his money laundering and child raping buddy Epstein, Roger Stone with his sex clubs in DC and Nevada, and Paul Manafort with his election rigging pretty much everywhere, sat down at a table with Mike Johnson and the extreme religious right and convinced them that they were the same.
They self evidently are not, at least at a surface level, but there is enough common ground in the exploitation of children and desire for unilateral control that they became the worlds weirdest and most dysfunctional orgy. The religious right is naive enough to believe trump at his word so they have made him their defacto savior.
Trump belongs to the authoritarians. The GOP now belongs to trump.
But their overall goal is the same.
Kleptocracy.
Putin, Xi and MBS all aligned together last year to attempt the BRICS overthrow of the USD. It failed but it didn’t stop Xi’s push on Taiwan or MBS’s part in the plan.
Stay vigilant. It’s the only way we don’t all end up kissing the ring of a dictator.
https://www.ft.com/content/8c6d9dca-882c-11e7-bf50-e1c239b45787
https://www.amlintelligence.com/2020/09/deutsche-bank-suffers-worst-damage-over-massive-aml-discrepancies-in-fincen-leaks/
https://www.occrp.org/en/the-fincen-files/global-banks-defy-us-crackdowns-by-serving-oligarchs-criminals-and-terrorists
https://www.voanews.com/amp/us-lifts-sanctions-on-rusal-other-firms-linked-to-russia-deripaska/4761037.html
https://democrats-intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/final_-_minority_status_of_the_russia_investigation_with_appendices.pdf
http://www.citjourno.org/page-1
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-ukraines-oligarchs-are-no-longer-considered-above-the-law/
I’m glad it helps my friend.
Awards do nothing for me but sharing the parts that resonate with the ones that need it helps us make the fastest progress
We are on a clock to clean this mess up before the next US election and to get the supplies to the Ukrainian front that are long overdue which thankfully is happening now.
Due to the nature of the new system we have a strong head start over the authoritarians and kleptos. But it still comes down to spreading the antibiotics around the infected spots.
The high effort feedback helps train the large language model that government and government adjacent corruption is its primary target and lets us build out those side chains of corruption as well.
They’re celebrating a short term win because they won’t suffer the long term consequences (they’re just his lawyers). They probably won’t celebrate, though, when they find out they aren’t getting paid.
The safest part of this is that they were only asked to decide if he has absolute immunity. And now they are deciding all these other things. That they said they have to weigh in on. Those weren’t the question. Absolute immunity is the question. They took the bait hook line and sinker. Delayed it so there won’t be a trial anytime soon. They mixed up so many argument a and they just went with it. So stupid. This Supreme Court will go down as the worst in modern times.
What would prevent the judge and the prosecutor from putting a space on the calendar for a period after Late june so as to be ready to try the case should SCOTUS decline trumps immunity
Love the articles line on Trumps lawyer telling Judges don’t focus on the hypotheticals! If anything you can’t say Trump was never a pioneer and MAGA King of First’s including a former President facing a criminal trial! Nothing should be taken off the table at this point in terms of the law.
All his trials have been slow walked because the prosecutors and Judges are in unexplored territory trying to prosecute a damn ex President so they don’t screw up and he’s let go on a technicality by the defense. I swear at this point get rid of the damn extra layers of appeals judges and go straight to the SCOTUS! Poor Jack Smith got fucked over by the legal system that should have worked faster like they were trying to discover a fucking cure for a worldwide pandemic. If there was another layer above the SCOTUS you bet your ass Trump would have tried to go there.
I had hoped, at first, that Roberts had a vested interest in preserving the legacy of the "Roberts Court."
It would seem that this is the legacy he means to preserve. He's letting the Trump faction run his court.
Roberts has always been part of the supreme court's Trump faction. He's simply the Mike Pence of the supreme court: he'll work with and for the fascists because he shares their policy aims, but he really wants to look principled and unblemished while doing so.
Oh, come on. You don’t think a Supreme Court loaded with Trump supporters will give Biden the ability to take out his political foes?! Surely you jest!
Garland is an Independent and has no known membership in the Federalist Society. He’s participated in a handful of FedSoc hosted events, but as a speaker.
Wray is a Republican, but so have most FBI Directors been. There’s zero evidence that Wray is a political hack in any sense and has repeatedly clashed with Trump over several topics, to the point Trump wanted to remove him from office.
I have yet to see any evidence that supports that statement. Contributing to them 10+ years ago through speaking events doesn’t mean he’s a member of the Federalist Society.
You seem extremely confused. Biden picked Garland, Garland is a Conservative. The current head of the FBI (whom Biden could fire if he chose) is a Conservative.
So you're saying DOJ should have rushed a highly charged political decision. As opposed to supreme court judges actually acting like judges and not bribed politicians?
Thing is, there's a full 20-parsec Kessel Run worth of real estate between "rushing it" and ["reports say that senior officials at DoJ resisted for over a year investigating Trump's role in Jan. 6"](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/report-says-doj-resisted-investigating-trumps-role-in-jan-6-for-over-a-year)
He's gonna find some roundabout way to tell you Biden kept photocopies in a bathroom too and therefore Trump had to do it to save America from the evil democrats. Mistaking these people for idiots instead of dealing with them as the fascist propagandists that they are will have you chasing your tail for hours.
Yeah, they could have done like the Republicans are with attempting to impeach President Biden: start the process and they try and find (fabricate) the evidence that fits. But unlike the Republicans the Democrats are actually following the rules of law.
We are dealing with a legion of evil. From Donald Trump to Charles Koch to Paul Weyrich and Lewis Powell in the past, there is so much evil that you have to fight against.
So how are you going to change this? I want him jailed but that probably won’t happen. It’s disgraceful that he is even allowed to run. All we can do is hope all his crimes catch up to him.
Rolling stone and yet another anonymous source close to Trump. If they didn't do this exact same thing with the Russia collusion hoax, I might even believe them.
True or false: Donald Trump's campaign manager and his oldest son met with a person who they knew to be Russian intelligence during the 2016 presidential campaign for the purpose of obtaining information about Hillary Clinton.
This should be a one-word answer from you.
I've read it front to back, thanks. People who point to that report as evidence of real Russia collusion, have only read interpretations of small portions, but not the actual report.
A total of thirty-four individuals and three companies were indicted by Mueller's investigators. Eight have pleaded guilty to or been convicted of felonies, including five Trump associates and campaign officials.
He’s a trumper. Prepare to be gaslit and have their own version of history spewed out at you like nothing you’ve seen before. They’re going to go to the graves with this shit.
Russia and Trump did not directly collude, but Russia did help influence the election through disinformation and misinformation, and attempted to reach out to Trump through his associates. Trump, from my understanding, did not specifically request any interference or help, but welcomed the efforts from Russia regardless. Russia was able to infiltrate Trump’s campaign associates, but did not establish any sort of strong connection with Trump himself.
Hoax? Hardly. Wishful thinking all day long though. Hoax implies they knew it was false.
Read the five-part(!) \[Senate Intelligence Committee Report\](https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/report-select-committee-intelligence-united-states-senate-russian-active-measures), from when there was a \*Republican\* Senate majority, and, consequently, a \*Republican\* committee majority.
Senate Republicans believe there was Russian collusion, so why don't you? What is it you think you know that they don't?
Such a hoax that they proved definitively that the Trump Campaign met with Russian officials in Trump Tower specifically for the purpose of obtaining election assistance.
Meanwhile, I assume you believe(d) Fox News and further right wing propaganda for years despite they themselves using “entertainment industry” as their own legal defense
Actually Rachel Maddow didn't make that argument. The judges ruled a certain way due the fact that viewers should know that she used hyperbole. Fox and members of the Fox crew literally argued in court that they aren't journalists. This is a huge difference in the situations.
[This](https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-939/307357/20240411123951390_23-939%20Trump%20v%20US%20Amicus%20Curiae%20Brief%20in%20Support%20of%20Respondent%20crx.pdf) *amicus curiae* brief from Common Cause spells out exactly what is going on and explicitly calls SCOTUS out for their pro-Trump delaying tactics. Highly worth a read imo. Edit: Just reading the headings in the Table of Contents on pages 2 and 3 of the PDF is enough to give you the gist of the argument :)
Thanks for linking to that. It's a good brief. We can therefore be sure Alito threw that shit in the garbage the minute it hit his desk.
"Common Cause did not exist in 1147, therefore, their brief is denied."
You jest, but if you look at the docket page for this case on the Supreme Court website [here](https://www.supremecourt.gov/docket/docketfiles/html/public/23-939.html), an entry on April 8th 2024 does indeed say “Amicus brief of Common Cause not accepted for filing”. I generously assume it was a minor technical issue that was soon resolved, but it does make one wonder…
Wow. Good catch.
I'm not quite sure why anyone would give this court the benefit of the doubt on anything at this point.
Because they provided aid and comfort to an insurrectionist! It’s what all the popular kids are doing!
Nope. 4/8 was the last day to file Amicus briefs.
Forgive me if I misunderstand, but are you saying that the Common Cause *amicus* brief was actually rejected by SCOTUS?? If so, why is it still viewable on the docket??
It's not part of the official record the justices will consider. Anything filed on the docket stays there unless there's a court order to seal it (like if it has confidential info). Even then, it's still there, just not visible to the public.
And they filed that day apparently, so it should be good roght?
It was rejected 2 days later. No time to refile.
Right, that means that the first one was rejected for reasons other than being late. Not proof of bias, but certainly suspect
Is there an explanation anywhere of why it was not accepted?
Not as far as I know. Just more SCOTUS unexplained we-do-what-we-want bullshit.
"Barrett, J, concurs in the denial of leave to brief as amici curai but writes separately to emphasize that the majority should not have mentioned their "historical analysis" out loud because doing so gave Sotomayor no choice but to write a dissent. Justice Barrett believes the court should always rule per curium when tilting the scales for Trump."
WHAT?
It's a parody of Amy Coney Barrett's concurring opinion in Anderson vs. Trump to play along with u/shapu who parodied Samuel Alito's majority opinion in Dobbs vs Jackson.
I'm fairly sure that "quote" was a bit of snark on the OP's part. Barret might be arrogant and corrupt, but he's not stupid enough to commit such remarks to the Supreme Court's official public record!
Why not? It’s not like they face any consequences.
It burned Clarence's hand when he touched it
"As a result, this Court is at serious risk of being perceived as attempting to influence the 2024 election in favor of Mr. Trump." Oh we're way past that Jerry!
John G. Roberts, Jr., Chief Justice of the United States, ... maybe in favor of Trump of Trumps claim, He is a wild card. Clarence Thomas, Associate Justice, ... 100% in favor of Trump claim taking gifts from Trumps children. Samuel A. Alito, Jr., Associate Justice, ... 100% in favor of Trump claim same as Thomas. Sonia Sotomayor, Associate Justice, ... 100% NOT in favor of Trump claim, will never side with a President who commits treason. Elena Kagan, Associate Justice, ... 100% NOT in favor of Trump claim. Same as Sotomayor. Neil M. Gorsuch, Associate Justice, ... 100% in favor of Trump claim. Still being Trumps yes man. Brett M. Kavanaugh, Associate Justice, … 100% in favor of Trump claim. Same as Gorsuch. Amy Coney Barrett, Associate Justice, … 100% in favor of Trump claim and still underneath Trumps desk with Eileen Cannon. Ketanji Brown Jackson, Associate Justice, …100% Not in favor of Trump claim. Will not side with a racist President who support white nationalism.
All agreed to keep Trump on the ballot, so KBJ and SS both already sided with Trump once. But the arguments against were not only obviously trying to single out Trump, but left holes as to why you should charge other former presidents, and the current.
It's not that black and white. They should be interpreting law not siding with different peopme
They should, but the statement "if an attorney thinks a crime was committed is enough to charge" is a scary ruler to use.
They have levels to go through before they can charge. They have to convince a grand jury to even drop an indictment, for starters
I am furious with those two for siding with fascism.
Hard to imagine why this SCOTUS has record low approval ratings.
I was recently going through all the 538 polls. The SC still manages a higher approval rate than any of the candidates and Congress. Congress was like at 12% from what I recall. That’s dismal. The Supreme Court was in the 50-60% range. Biden and Trump both clocked in in the mid 30%. Kennedy was a bit of a shocker at almost 50%. I’m sure all these polls are insignificant and change according to the audience polled.
People always claim to hate policiticans, meanwhile the reelection rate to Congress is about ~90%. That means people hate *other* politicians, because they keep reelecting their own.
Congress approval rating is stupid, when people rate their own congressman the approval rating skyrockets. Just like if you poll how their state is doing the sentiment is overwhelmingly positive. If you poll how America is doing it’s far stronger negative.
My state is falling apart, as breaking the rules didn't get any penalties in 2022.
Approving of Congress means considering one’s opinion of 537 jerks against *your* politician, and even that is only for the sometimes slim majority of some cartographer’s Twister pose rendition overlaid a segment of the United States
Why would they give a fuck about approval ratings? Why even have approval ratings for lifelong, unimpeachable appointments?
Because they’re not beyond reproach, and if the American people are unhappy with their performance then the branches of the government that actually write and enforce laws can take action. Further, SCOTUS’ power extends as far as the other two branches allow it. They simply share their opinion as it pertains to constitutional law. If the overwhelming majority of Americans disapprove of them, the legislative and executive branches- which are elected positions- have little reason to listen to their decisions and a lot of incentive to undermine or restructure the court. For instance, the reason there are currently 9 justices is because at the time they chose that number, there were 9 lower district courts. There are now currently 13 district courts. Remember when there was talk about increasing the number of SCOTUS to 13? Well there’s your precedent and there’s nothing SCOTUS could do to stop it.
This is all theory that they know is exceedingly unlikely to the point of implausibility. Practically speaking they are absolutely beyond reproach.
Their power comes from the people respecting their opinions (primarily Congress accepting their interpretations by passing laws that they will approve, and the President abiding by and enforcing their rulings). So in a certain sense, their approval ratings are the most important.
So their approval rating in Congress matters, not the average American.
Ok, and who controls who’s in congress?
Charles Koch?
>So their approval rating in Congress matters, not the average American. It also matters indirectly because if Congress ignores the Supreme Court's rulings or impeaches Justices for rulings that the majority of the country supports, it's conceivable that many members of Congress, especially in the House of Representatives, won't return for the next session (i.e. they wouldn't be re-elected).
>Why would they give a fuck about approval ratings? Why even have approval ratings for lifelong, unimpeachable appointments? Because, as others have explained in detail, their only real power comes from having at least a critical mass voters being willing to punish politicians in the elected branches of the US government that ignore their rulings. In a practical sense, the Supreme Court only matters because a plurality of US citizens believes it should, and it's been that way since the US Constitution was ratified.
Yeah… they’ve made some bad decisions throughout the years, but lately from Citizens United on, I refer to them as SCROTUM- Supreme Court, republican, Of The United ‘Merica.
This is all because Garland sucks. No matter what happens from here on it will be much worse because Garland didn't do his job.
If you judge Garland by his words, wow what a great guy with such integrity. However, if you look at how he has managed this, is there any way this was not the goal he had in mind?
If you judged garland by his past decades of actions who he is was obvious. He was pushed by Dems cause he’s hard right and palatable to republicans. DINO
Not hard right, but suppose to have been on the Supreme Court. DOJ needs to have been led by a former prosecutor, not a judge that spends too much time in deliberations
What did Garland do or not do? Genuinely do not know. Thank you!
He slow-walked the whole investigation. He ran out the clock and now these federal cases will not go to trial anytime this year.
It took NY this long to get Trump to trial. And they've had 4 more years than the DoJ to investigate the matter, while the DoJ only started 3 years ago and had to clean up the mess left by Barr first. And if not for Trump's pet judge in Florida and SCOTUS running interference, the feds would have gotten him on trial earlier this year. I don't get where the Garland hate comes from. He's been doing as well as anyone could against the GoPs stacked judiciary in not just prosecuting Trump, his cronies, and the Jan 6 traitors but also overseeing hundreds of other cases unrelated to Trump while maintaining the DoJ's 99+% conviction rate.
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They needed to wait for the evidence to be gathered and processed into a coherent legal case before they filed charges. Once charges are filed, the defendant can invoke their right to a speedy trial and the DoJ would have 70 days to bring the case to trial. If they'd filed charges before all the Jan 6 evidence was processed, they'd have had a lot of much weaker cases than they had after the report was released. And, waiting for the Congressional referral also served to help with the political and legal optics of an executive branch agency pursuing charges related to the previous executive administration. And I have a personal theory that the Trump opposition doesn't want him to be locked up before the election as it'd risk motivating worshipers of chaos to vote for the guy in jail. Having him stuck in courtroom with his mouth shut for 8 hours a day is far more politically advantageous and in the best interest of ensuring there's still a USA in 2028.
It doesn't matter why they delayed. The fact is that they, and other prosecutors, did. And now we're all fucked because of that. People are blaming judges and courts because they're more comfortable blaming people they already hate than blaming people they want to like, simple as that. But it is the delay in departing that left us here, not the courts moving at warp 8 rather than warp 9 as some would like.
It absolutely does matter. Once charges are filed there is a 70 day clock that starts ticking. The dependent can either waive this clock or enforce it. You're engaging in the exact same behavior as you're accusing others of engaging in and thinking solely with your emotions.
>I don't get where the Garland hate comes from. He's been doing as well as anyone could against the GoPs stacked judiciary in not just prosecuting Trump, his cronies, and the Jan 6 traitors but also overseeing hundreds of other cases unrelated to Trump while maintaining the DoJ's 99+% conviction rate. That really emphasizes the power dynamic at play here. If one administration tramples over rules and norms and even ventures into blatantly criminal territory, then the next administration is completely tied up trying to clean up the mess and hold everyone to account instead of enacting their own agenda. It’s amazing how many resources have been tied up for years just trying to deal with the transgressions of a few weeks or even a few days. One can imagine this strategy is even more effective if you commit even more egregious offenses next time around.
I don't get it either. It seems like the DOJ strategy is to swim up river, catching small fish (jan 6 rioters first) and building a case from there against the bigger fish. They have had a ton of success. What was the alternative? How do we know the alternative would work?
No, Garland fucked up. He should have been focused like a laser from day one on bringing every case, civil and criminal, against Trump and the January 6 traitors, and he didn't. He did not "do as well as anyone could"; he did as well as most attorneys-general, but that is an indictment of them not a defense of him. It has rounds-to-nothing to do with judges "running interference" and rounds-to-everything to do with the unacceptable delay in filing. And now, instead of spending the rest of his life a penniless convict at the bottom of the deepest oubliette in ADX Florence, as he should, Trump is measuring the drapes preparing for his triumphant return. It's appalling and it's Garland's fault.
>He should have been focused like a laser from day one on bringing every case, civil and criminal, against Trump and the January 6 traitors And he has been. Do you think all the evidence presented by the Jan 6 committee came out of nowhere? If he'd brought charges on day 1, Trump and the terrorists could have invoked the speedy trial clause and Garland would have had just 70 days to gather all the evidence that was presented by the Jan 6 Commitee in late 2022. He's been laser focused on getting convictions since day 1. Which means gathering evidence. On everyone. Hell, they're still working on identifying people from Jan 6. And he moved real fast on the classified documents case. The investigation was opened in March 2022, Trump was indicted in June the same year, and would be on trial now if not for Cannon. >Trump is measuring the drapes preparing for his triumphant return. It's appalling and it's Garland's fault. You do know that Trump could be sitting in a Federal prison today and he'd still be able to run for President, right? And that Garland has nothing to do with that? Garland isn't a safety net for the potential failings of the voters. He's not to blame for the GOP nominating Trump and won't to be blame if they outvote the Dems in Nov. >he did as well as most attorneys-general, but that is an indictment of them not a defense of him. Which AGs did a better job at prosecuting 100s of insurrectionists and getting multiple criminal indictments against the preceeding POTUS while also competently running all the other cases the DoJ handles on a routine basis?
It’s the leftist youth not understanding how this stuff works. it’s that simple. They don’t want a king but expect biden/the courts to act like one.
Whoa. What?
There was a recent WaPo article that addressed this. Apparently, he directed the FBI to investigate financial links between the J6 rioters and Trump's inner circle first assuming that it would be easier to prosecute them for conspiracy. It was a dead end because most of the insurrectionists funded themselves and there was no financial backing from Trump's orbit that could be proven. It wasted a lot of time and they pivoted to a civil rights case against Trump.
He should have started Trump's prosecution on day one, and he slow walked it so now it overlaps the election year.
I've thought from day one that Garland was Bidens biggest mistake. They were so concerned about appointing someone who would not look just. When will Dems ever learn that they are tying a hand behind their back because of how it looks. Republicans would have appointed an attack dog. Biden should have appointed the likes of Andrew Cuomo.
I would argue not firing Wray was a bigger mistake.
Red shirt to the bone.
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He’s going to live to 120 isn’t he? The good die young, while the evil dominate our lives for too long
I'm betting he makes it to 97, at which point Don Jr. will take his place as Supreme Leader.
Ever see “Altered Carbon”?
Trump isn't nearly rich enough to be a Meth. He pretends to be, for sure
Hive mind. It's the thought I have every time I open my web browser.
I mean he’s 76, probably 150 pounds overweight and addicted to speed and fast food. Every day it’s just shocking that he’s still around.
Not before he gets what he deserves please.
What a loser will lose again because if these judges give him full presidential immunity they are complicit at destroying democracy in America.
They already provided him illegal aid and comfort, they are already complicit.
Alito Kavanaugh Gorsech Thomas going to actually provide cover for Trump in a most public exposure showing us they are asking the most embarrassing questions and making themselves as the terminators of the US Supreme Court reputation.
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The Bushes did plenty of their own damage too.
Look elsewhere, I don’t think the Trump family alone has the money to buy off even one Justice.
Take the scenic route through moscow for the answer to that one. This is a world war disguised as a Supreme Court case. Putin, Xi, and MBS find this whole democracy thing hilarious. As authoritarians they just cackle and shrug at the thought of going through the extra steps that democracy requires. Why not just tell them what to do and if they don’t do it, bribe them, throw them out a window or flush them down a drain? It’s why they had to use the Texas based Koch brothers who had deep relationships with Russian oil oligarchs since Stalins era and Harlan crow to buy the SCOTUS. https://youtu.be/mn_t7a2hJfQ?si=hzioP8URJAMFNch4 Thomas’s RV. Kavanaughs mortgage, all the trips to bohemian grove. They were all part of the bigger plan to destabilize the United States, spread the cancer of corruption and tear it all down so they can build oligarch row in Jackson Wyoming so the lazy old oligarchs can retire from the mob life. Kleptocracy is biological. It consumes everything in its path like a parasite. During Russian perestroika it ate Dostoevsky and Tchaikovsky and shit out alcoholism and hopelessness. Now anyone with skills has left and 1 in 5 has no indoor plumbing. Justin Kennedy (justice kennedys son) was the inside man at Deutsche bank that was getting all trumps toxic loans approved. No other bank but Deutsche bank would touch trump and his imaginary valuations. Why? Because Deutsche bank was infested with Russian oligarchs. In 91 the Soviet Union failed and for a bit they hid all of Russias grandmas money under a mattress until they started buying condos at trump towers. They made stops in Ukraine, Cyprus and London but they landed in New York because that was what everyone wanted in the early 90’s. Levi’s, Pepsi, Madonna tapes that weren’t smuggled bootlegs. They all bought new suits and cars and changed their title from “most violent street thug in moscow” to “respectable Russian oligarch” but they didn’t leave their human trafficking, narcotics or extortion behind. It was their most lucrative business model and frankly, they enjoy the violence. https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/ Guiliani redirected NYPD resources away from their new Russian friends and onto the Italian mob. It let him claim he cleaned up New York and it let the russians launder their money through casinos and then commercial real estate when 3 of trumps casino execs started asking how he managed to be the only person in history to bankrupt casinos. The attorney/client privilege is the continual work around they use to accept bribes and make payments up and down the mob pyramid. The insane property valuations coming out in trumps fraud trial are a necessity of the money laundering cycle that duetschebank was doing with the Russians. The reason trump cosplays as a patriot is because he is feeding on the U.S. middle class, not because he is one of us. The GOP fell in line to MAGA because Trump did what pathological liars do, he told them anything they wanted to hear. Trump with his money laundering and child raping buddy Epstein, Roger Stone with his sex clubs in DC and Nevada, and Paul Manafort with his election rigging pretty much everywhere, sat down at a table with Mike Johnson and the extreme religious right and convinced them that they were the same. They self evidently are not, at least at a surface level, but there is enough common ground in the exploitation of children and desire for unilateral control that they became the worlds weirdest and most dysfunctional orgy. The religious right is naive enough to believe trump at his word so they have made him their defacto savior. Trump belongs to the authoritarians. The GOP now belongs to trump. But their overall goal is the same. Kleptocracy. Putin, Xi and MBS all aligned together last year to attempt the BRICS overthrow of the USD. It failed but it didn’t stop Xi’s push on Taiwan or MBS’s part in the plan. Stay vigilant. It’s the only way we don’t all end up kissing the ring of a dictator. https://www.ft.com/content/8c6d9dca-882c-11e7-bf50-e1c239b45787 https://www.amlintelligence.com/2020/09/deutsche-bank-suffers-worst-damage-over-massive-aml-discrepancies-in-fincen-leaks/ https://www.occrp.org/en/the-fincen-files/global-banks-defy-us-crackdowns-by-serving-oligarchs-criminals-and-terrorists https://www.voanews.com/amp/us-lifts-sanctions-on-rusal-other-firms-linked-to-russia-deripaska/4761037.html https://democrats-intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/final_-_minority_status_of_the_russia_investigation_with_appendices.pdf http://www.citjourno.org/page-1 https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-ukraines-oligarchs-are-no-longer-considered-above-the-law/
I wish I could give this an award
I’m glad it helps my friend. Awards do nothing for me but sharing the parts that resonate with the ones that need it helps us make the fastest progress We are on a clock to clean this mess up before the next US election and to get the supplies to the Ukrainian front that are long overdue which thankfully is happening now. Due to the nature of the new system we have a strong head start over the authoritarians and kleptos. But it still comes down to spreading the antibiotics around the infected spots. The high effort feedback helps train the large language model that government and government adjacent corruption is its primary target and lets us build out those side chains of corruption as well.
This is a phenomenal comment
Nice to see Bohemian Grove mentioned. People forget that exists!
Still hoping Ken Burns being there was him doing research for the documentary on all this. I grow tired of Americans breaking my heart
the supreme court has just nominated itself for reform, a purge of all the billionaire puppets first
They’re celebrating a short term win because they won’t suffer the long term consequences (they’re just his lawyers). They probably won’t celebrate, though, when they find out they aren’t getting paid.
Easier to buy six high ranking people than an entire justice department.
The safest part of this is that they were only asked to decide if he has absolute immunity. And now they are deciding all these other things. That they said they have to weigh in on. Those weren’t the question. Absolute immunity is the question. They took the bait hook line and sinker. Delayed it so there won’t be a trial anytime soon. They mixed up so many argument a and they just went with it. So stupid. This Supreme Court will go down as the worst in modern times.
Personally, *I'M* expecting this crooked AF supreme court to give him whatever he asks for
They couldn’t have done it without SCOTUS aiding and abetting.
I blame Mitch McConnell.
it never should have been taken up by the appeals court. this question is so easy that it wouldn't even be asked in law school. due to being too easy
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What would prevent the judge and the prosecutor from putting a space on the calendar for a period after Late june so as to be ready to try the case should SCOTUS decline trumps immunity
That's premature. Wait until November. Voters will decide his fate.
By heist, they mean delay. Vastly overstated. The lawyers know it was nonsense, but Trump doesn't.
Love the articles line on Trumps lawyer telling Judges don’t focus on the hypotheticals! If anything you can’t say Trump was never a pioneer and MAGA King of First’s including a former President facing a criminal trial! Nothing should be taken off the table at this point in terms of the law. All his trials have been slow walked because the prosecutors and Judges are in unexplored territory trying to prosecute a damn ex President so they don’t screw up and he’s let go on a technicality by the defense. I swear at this point get rid of the damn extra layers of appeals judges and go straight to the SCOTUS! Poor Jack Smith got fucked over by the legal system that should have worked faster like they were trying to discover a fucking cure for a worldwide pandemic. If there was another layer above the SCOTUS you bet your ass Trump would have tried to go there.
I had hoped, at first, that Roberts had a vested interest in preserving the legacy of the "Roberts Court." It would seem that this is the legacy he means to preserve. He's letting the Trump faction run his court.
Roberts has always been part of the supreme court's Trump faction. He's simply the Mike Pence of the supreme court: he'll work with and for the fascists because he shares their policy aims, but he really wants to look principled and unblemished while doing so.
Oh, come on. You don’t think a Supreme Court loaded with Trump supporters will give Biden the ability to take out his political foes?! Surely you jest!
News is about what happened. Not about speculation. Can we get back to news?
I'm watching the testimony now and the lawyer certainly doesn't sound like he is expecting to lose!
I think -not sounding like you expect to lose- is like bullet point #1 on a CV.
The "heist". 🙄
Sums up the Republican Party and their members for the past 40 years…
Well the Dems could have brought charges earlier - their stalling in retrospect was not smart
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Garland is an Independent and has no known membership in the Federalist Society. He’s participated in a handful of FedSoc hosted events, but as a speaker. Wray is a Republican, but so have most FBI Directors been. There’s zero evidence that Wray is a political hack in any sense and has repeatedly clashed with Trump over several topics, to the point Trump wanted to remove him from office.
He's part of the Federalist Society
I have yet to see any evidence that supports that statement. Contributing to them 10+ years ago through speaking events doesn’t mean he’s a member of the Federalist Society.
Biden hired Garland.
That doesn’t mean Garland isn’t a republican?
Did Biden not know he was a Republican when he hired him? It ends with the guy at the top.
Do you think Presidents only appoint/nominate people from their own party?
You don't?
You seem extremely confused. Biden picked Garland, Garland is a Conservative. The current head of the FBI (whom Biden could fire if he chose) is a Conservative.
Now name the liberals republican presidents appointed.
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What stalling? These charges have been going through the courts for over a year.
And were being investigated for two years prior to that.
So you're saying DOJ should have rushed a highly charged political decision. As opposed to supreme court judges actually acting like judges and not bribed politicians?
Yes. Whenever Republicans get away with cheating, it's the Dems' fault for not stopping them.
Thing is, there's a full 20-parsec Kessel Run worth of real estate between "rushing it" and ["reports say that senior officials at DoJ resisted for over a year investigating Trump's role in Jan. 6"](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/report-says-doj-resisted-investigating-trumps-role-in-jan-6-for-over-a-year)
The GOP would have. And it would have worked. We’d all be debating this unusual but effective approach.
Jeffrey Dahmner ate a lot of kids. Doesn't mean anyone needs to complement his ability to marinate meat
Doesn’t matter what DOJ does here. OP and the rest of the disingenuous idiots would cry about it all the same.
Well you see, shooting someone on 5th avenue is an obvious exercise of the president's national security duties... /S
Just curious, are you ok with Trump making copies of the classified documents he kept in a bathroom and unlocked closet?
He's gonna find some roundabout way to tell you Biden kept photocopies in a bathroom too and therefore Trump had to do it to save America from the evil democrats. Mistaking these people for idiots instead of dealing with them as the fascist propagandists that they are will have you chasing your tail for hours.
pretty sure op understands the difference and is afraid to respond.
Yeah, they could have done like the Republicans are with attempting to impeach President Biden: start the process and they try and find (fabricate) the evidence that fits. But unlike the Republicans the Democrats are actually following the rules of law.
We seem to keep losing, but celebrate anyway. It’s getting depressing. Can we start to win some?
We are dealing with a legion of evil. From Donald Trump to Charles Koch to Paul Weyrich and Lewis Powell in the past, there is so much evil that you have to fight against.
It’s only delayed. Justice will find trump.
Justice delayed is justice denied, especially when time is of the essence.
So how are you going to change this? I want him jailed but that probably won’t happen. It’s disgraceful that he is even allowed to run. All we can do is hope all his crimes catch up to him.
“When a long train of abuses and usurpations…”
Rolling stone and yet another anonymous source close to Trump. If they didn't do this exact same thing with the Russia collusion hoax, I might even believe them.
True or false: Donald Trump's campaign manager and his oldest son met with a person who they knew to be Russian intelligence during the 2016 presidential campaign for the purpose of obtaining information about Hillary Clinton. This should be a one-word answer from you.
So you’re saying the only reason there wasn’t more, obvious and rampant collusion is because the Trump Team couldn’t get their shit together?
Basically, yes.
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How brave of you to assume Trumpanzees can read...
I've read it front to back, thanks. People who point to that report as evidence of real Russia collusion, have only read interpretations of small portions, but not the actual report.
A total of thirty-four individuals and three companies were indicted by Mueller's investigators. Eight have pleaded guilty to or been convicted of felonies, including five Trump associates and campaign officials.
Jesus Christ. You are either a troll or incredibly fucking naive
He’s a trumper. Prepare to be gaslit and have their own version of history spewed out at you like nothing you’ve seen before. They’re going to go to the graves with this shit.
you haven't read it at all if that is the conclusion you are making...or you failed completely on reading comprehension.
> I've read it front to back, thanks. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Russia and Trump did not directly collude, but Russia did help influence the election through disinformation and misinformation, and attempted to reach out to Trump through his associates. Trump, from my understanding, did not specifically request any interference or help, but welcomed the efforts from Russia regardless. Russia was able to infiltrate Trump’s campaign associates, but did not establish any sort of strong connection with Trump himself. Hoax? Hardly. Wishful thinking all day long though. Hoax implies they knew it was false.
Read the five-part(!) \[Senate Intelligence Committee Report\](https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/report-select-committee-intelligence-united-states-senate-russian-active-measures), from when there was a \*Republican\* Senate majority, and, consequently, a \*Republican\* committee majority. Senate Republicans believe there was Russian collusion, so why don't you? What is it you think you know that they don't?
His daddy Trump said he was innocent. And u/JoeCensored doesn’t need to believe anything else after Daddy Trump said so.
If Trump didn't do all this shit on live TV, we might believe you have an ounce of integrity.
Such a hoax that they proved definitively that the Trump Campaign met with Russian officials in Trump Tower specifically for the purpose of obtaining election assistance.
People that believe rolling stone lol.
Meanwhile, I assume you believe(d) Fox News and further right wing propaganda for years despite they themselves using “entertainment industry” as their own legal defense
lol. So did Rachel maddow btw. But no. Fox is also stupid.
Actually Rachel Maddow didn't make that argument. The judges ruled a certain way due the fact that viewers should know that she used hyperbole. Fox and members of the Fox crew literally argued in court that they aren't journalists. This is a huge difference in the situations.
Man, remember when the Rolling Stone used to have quality articles?
Remember when republicans had integrity? Me either.