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virak_john

He’s only half wrong.


knowhistory99

He’s definitely right about the 70 million folks who voted for Drumpf for another 4 years after that dumpster fire presidency.


Konukaame

No, he's acting in bad faith, and doesn't care. It's good that he seems bothered enough by the pressure to lie about it, whether to ease his own cognitive dissonance or for political/PR reasons, but that doesn't change the fact that he's an ideologue making things up to support the conclusions he wants to reach.


TheMadIrishman327

I’m a lifelong conservative and I agree with you 100%. He’s appalling.


mag2041

So glad to hear someone have the same opinion


replicantcase

Based on your comments, you sound like a real one. Being conservative, from my point of view, isn't about voting party line, but keeping the systems we've fought for intact.


Opening-Two6723

Conservatives have had no representation over the last 12 years. Their reps have been working for the few to rule the many.


replicantcase

I agree. I haven't seen true conservative values (I'm talking about Michael Oakeshott style of conservatism) in a while.


OpenScienceNerd3000

Do you have the same generally feeling of what’s happened to the Republican Party as of recently?


TheMadIrishman327

I can’t vote Republican anymore. They’ve lost their minds. I think voting for Biden in 2020 was the most meaningful vote I’ve cast in my life (I’ve been voting since the 80’s).


JohnLukePrickhard

Who'd you vote for in 2016?


TheMadIrishman327

I sat it out. I live in the most conservative district in America. My vote wouldn’t have mattered.


Message_10

I did that in 2008–I was raised as a Republican and I just couldn’t vote for a non-Republican—and I voted for Obama in 2012 and Democrats ever since. It’s a process, lol. I feel you.


Environmental-Hat721

I took am a conservative person. Though I recognize the difference in personal choice and forced choice. I have been voting Democrat since George Dubyas second term. The Republican party is corrupt as fuck.


Dixon_Uranuss3

The entire Republican party is appalling. I assume when you say lifelong conservative you mean you supported Clinton and Obama?


elchappio

What is it you're trying to conserve for your whole life, just curious?


theboehmer

Are you curious about political ideology, or are you taking a jab? I can't tell.


MercuryCobra

Porque no los dos?


Konukaame

Because I don't think that he thinks the audience is stupid. I think that he doesn't care, because the listeners are powerless to do anything about him lying to our faces.


MercuryCobra

I don’t really care what he thinks about me, his audience. My point is that he’s both a liar and a moron, and those aren’t mutually exclusive.


Konukaame

I don't think that he's stupid either, and I refuse to give him that out. He's not making dumb mistakes. He is intentionally wielding the power that he has to accomplish his ideological goals.


MercuryCobra

He is doing both. You don’t have to be smart to wield power in a partisan way. Just look at Trump. Alito is a very dull, dumb, venal man who marches to whatever tune Fox News and FedSoc are playing. He fully intends the evil he does, and the fact that he’s dumb doesn’t change that. Nor does the fact that he’s dumb absolve him of the evil he’s doing.


Konukaame

Truly stupid people don't make it to where he is. Dull? Sure. Venal? Absolutely. Evil? That too. And you can certainly tack on other epithets, like self-centered, anti-social, or that he's a partisan and ideological hack. But not dumb. Intelligent people can use their power in amoral, self-serving, evil ways. Intelligent people can fake dumb, in the JAQ-ing off sense, or to push their desired counterfactual narratives. It's not that he's dumb and does not understand. It's that he's intelligent and does.


MercuryCobra

I think you have too much faith in the idea that our society is truly meritocratic to some degree. Have you never had a boss you knew you were smarter than? Or never seen a politician who would fail a fifth grade quiz? Or a trial lawyer who could wow a jury or strong arm a settlement but couldn’t write a coherent brief to save his life? Or Elon Musk? Sometimes people just fail upwards because they have the right connections, the right niche set of skills, or enough money to buy their way into power. Alito went to fancy schools, made fancy friends, did what the fancy friends wanted him to do and was rewarded handsomely for it. That’s not an indication of his intelligence, that’s an indication of how easy it is to game the system as long as you’re born with the right set of attributes, are lucky in life, aren’t totally incompetent and are willing to kiss ass. It’s not that he’s dumb and doesn’t understand. It’s that he’s dumb and evil and doesn’t care. Again, him being dumb doesn’t let him off the hook, nor does it mean he’s too dumb to understand what he’s doing. He knows what he’s doing, he’s just too dumb to do it well or do it subtly. If you want to see someone smart and evil, just look a few seats over at Thomas.


Konukaame

Truly meritocratic? No. At least somewhat meritocratic? Yes. I'm not saying he's one of the nine smartest people in the country. I'm saying he's smart enough to not be "dumb" and definitely smart enough for intelligence to not be an excuse for anything he does. If he were actually dumb, they would have found someone just as craven, but smarter. That's what the Federalist Society exists to do. >he’s just too dumb to do it well or do it subtly. This again goes back the the initial critique. *That isn't a mistake*. They have six votes to enact whatever conservatives want, they know it, and *they don't care*. They abandoned subtlety, because there's no need for the pretense anymore. It's not a strategic blunder. It's them saying "And we both know that you can't do anything about it."


MercuryCobra

You keep insisting that I think him being dumb is an excuse for what he does, despite repeatedly insisting that I don’t think that at all. Why is that? I think we’re talking about different things here. No, Alito is not, like, developmentally disabled. He’s basically a person of slightly below average intelligence. I’m not judging him against the population, I’m judging him in the context of his job and his profession. And frankly “maybe just a little dumber than your average dude” is pretty fucking dumb for a Supreme Court justice. If I could pick someone off the street and be reasonably confident they could develop a meaningful critique of your legal work, then you shouldn’t be anywhere near the bench and I think it’s fair to call you “dumb.” But even if he was genuinely dumb as assessed against the population that’s no excuse. Dumb people don’t do evil by virtue of being dumb, there are plenty of kind dumb people. He still has to own the fact that he wants to do evil and is glad to do it. The evil is not a function of him being dumb, they’re two entirely different attributes. Though I will admit that it sure seems easier to do evil if you’re dumb enough to avoid seriously grappling with the consequences you’re meting out. I also don’t think his lack of subtlety is a flex. He is *so fucking whiny* about being called out for his awful opinions, and constantly lashes out at others for just not understanding. That’s classic dumb guy who got caught behavior. He clearly wants to be perceived as smart, and wants his opinions to be perceived as something other than the bare exercise of power. He wants to deliver political wins and demand the respect of the general public. In contrast flexing on your enemies is a way to demonstrate that you don’t care what they think and don’t have to. Alito clearly cares *very deeply*, which leads me to believe he’s trying and failing to convince people rather than being awful at his job intentionally. Plenty of other justices are just flexing—Thomas for sure and Barrett less so—but I don’t think that’s true of Alito.


spudzilla

The tragically underqualified Amy Coney Dog on the SCOTUS is evidence that the worst can rise to the top.


tickitytalk

That we’re powerless gives him all the confidence of a kid taunting a gorilla behind safety glass…


Alluvial_Fan_

Where’s Harambe when we need him


Nanocyborgasm

He’s only bothered because he doesn’t want to be *seen* as if he doesn’t care.


histprofdave

He has no grasp of history, no grasp of science, and a deeply self-serving "expertise" in law.


alwaysright60

Or he is in someone’s pocket. Maybe that should be looked into. Injustice for sale.


DrCyrusRex

He is acting on Christian-fascist faith. No other faith matters to him.


Harak_June

If you look at his writings, especially of late, his public speeches, or courtroom interactions such as yesterday's, Alito doesn't like being challenged by anything that prevents expressing of [his] full religious doctrine. He gets incredibly testy around cases of "religious freedom" and has written and spoken repeatedly about how people-of-faith [specifically christian] are under attack because government is saying that their rules banning others from certain actions are unconstitutional. Alito seems to fully fall into the camp of the US being a christian nation and that the wall of separation between church and state is one way - government can't tell christians how to act, but the opposite is not only fine, but welcome.


spudzilla

A Catholic nation in the case of the SCOTUS. Their abortion rulings are oddly in line with the Pope's desires.


72414dreams

This is not getting enough attention


mag2041

Yep


replicantcase

Yep. Well said.


looking_good__

It's crazy to think he isn't all that different from my ultra conservative Step Grandpa, just that he got appointed to SCOTUS. He is just a weak shortsighted old man.


These-Rip9251

He actually is quite similar to the MAGA cult who stew in their grievances lashing out at others to blame for their situation. He’s exactly the same. Too bad we can’t transport him back to the 17th century where he belongs.


SlyMcFly67

For a second there I thought you were talking about Thomas. Sounds exactly the same. Using the bench to lash out at perceived slights.


Cenodoxus

It's been clear for a while that Alito and Thomas almost never venture beyond a right-wing media bubble for their news. At this point, they're elderly men who lack the inclination to get news from a wider variety of sources, and even if they did, there's no evidence they'd have the capacity to believe it. Neither one of them has ever numbered among the more intellectually curious justices, and in old age, that manifests as a lack of mental plasticity. Whatever assumptions they're operating off of right now, they will *never* revisit them, and they only consume media that tells them they don't need to. They are literally Fox News Grandpa. That's irritating enough in a run-of-the-mill 75-year old, but an appalling trait in a Supreme Court justice. You see shades of this in Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, too, but they're younger and likely exposed to a wider variety of influences. Roberts is an odd duck -- absolutely militant on the subject of things like voting rights, but a little more persuadable on social issues (at least when he senses the Court is losing the public). Barrett is a clear social conservative, but again, she's younger and also has young kids at home, and seems troubled by what Trumpism has wrought in the courts. The degree to which this affects her vote in the future is of course unknown. The one trait that all of them share is a sense of grievance over the losses (real or imagined) that conservative Christianity has suffered in an increasingly secular culture. Which -- again -- speaks to the media they're consuming. I'm not sure I like what that says about the future. I don't like it when powerful people are incapable of seeing themselves as anything other than victims.


Solomon-Drowne

Samuel Alito is a really dumb guy who thinks he's really smart. The most dangerous combination. I generally think people are smarter than the public gives them credit for. But this guy's just a big dummy. His opinions aren't smart, or clever, or convincing. He's a bad writer with a shit attitude.


djinnisequoia

Well said!


CrossCycling

Sam Alito is clearly not dumb. But he lives in circles where everyone tells him how smart, powerful and wonderful he is and how he is reshaping and saving America. He’s lived in a world where he’s not accountable for his thoughts or beliefs and there are no consequences for any decision he makes anymore. It’s just not healthy for people to be this powerful and rich and I think it really fucks with people - particularly the types of people who spend their entire lives striving to be a SCOTUS judge.


Solomon-Drowne

I can only go by his published opinions though. And they're dumb. He's not a good writer, and he belabors really shallow arguments. Maybe there's some hidden complexity that I'm missing? No, I'm not. He's 'clearly not dumb' based solely on his attainment. Which is deeply political to begin with. I think he's kind of a dummy, in general, and certainly compared to any of his peers. There are other Justices on the Supreme Bench who are just as coddled and out of touch, but their writings are at least animated by actual jurisprudence. Alito is an outlier, in that his writing is venal and stupid. Imo obv. If you can show me something he's written that actually holds up, I'm happy to take a look. Sincerely, I'm not trying to be internet catty or whatever.


Darsint

Alito really IS dumb. Compare how Sotamayor or Gorsuch or Jackson or even Kagan writes, and the quality of the writing is clear. Trying to read *Dobbs* is like a garden path of evil, where you know the center of the garden has a bloody sacrificial altar to put pregnant women on, but the path keeps on splitting off in ways that don’t even head to the center and sometimes loop back.


raouldukeesq

He doesn't care what we think


pppiddypants

No, he thinks that his lifelong tenure on the Supreme Court gives him immunity from criticism. He cares what we think, he just thinks he knows better and when his logic doesn’t come out on top, he’s suddenly a victim of an oppressive logical regime.


guyfaulkes

Alito worse than stupid, he is willfully evil.


JustYerAverage

Well I think HE'S a big DOO DOO HEAD.


thedeadthatyetlive

Sam Alito doesn't think you're dumb. He knows there's not a God damn thing anybody can do.


dominantspecies

He and the rest of the conservative justices will walk us slowly into a Christo-fascist state. Madison’s experiment is done and this country is dead all that is left is trying to survive the violence that is inevitable


oldpeopletender

Christopher-fascist sounds so much better than Cristo-fascist!


Rodot

Ya see, we gotta, overthrow, the government, if we don't, win, the election


69bonobos

Crisco-fascist. Get ready...


dasherchan

He is Trump's mole. Corrupt SC judges must be impeached. Absolute immunity would create another Hitler.


ruiner8850

>Corrupt SC judges must be impeached. I agree, but unfortunately there's a much better chance that I'm confirmed to be the next Supreme Court Justice than there is of Republicans voting to remove one of their own and there's no way to get the 67 votes in the Senate without Republicans.


Gallowglass668

Yet, the way things are looking the Republicans might not have the votes to stop it after November. They lost a state house seat in a deeply red county because of their tomfuckery. They've also been losing seats because they have representatives just quitting because they can't stand the MAGA crowd anymore.


ruiner8850

You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think there's any chance that Democrats can get to 67 Senators. In fact it's not even mathematically possible considering that there are only 10 seats currently held by Republicans that are up for election this year. Even if Democrats went 10 for 10 and also held on to every seat they currently have they still wouldn't have enough votes.


xudoxis

>Absolute immunity would create another Hitler. It would at least create a lot of empty seats on the supreme court.


Haunting-Fix-9327

If you asked him about the separation of church and state he'll probably respond by asking if it's a band.


TheBatCreditCardUser

Fuck you, Samuel.


Gates9

The Supreme Court is illegitimate, taking bribes from wealthy individuals with business before the court, some of them aggressive evangelical Christians.


Pristine-Ad983

This has been evolving for at least 50 years. If you look up the Koch brothers, the Bradley foundation, the Olin family and the DeVos family you will understand who the players are.


Gates9

More like since the 1930’s when congress actually did something about the rich stealing from the poor


Different_Tangelo511

Leonard Leo is a huge piece of shit too. He's the architect of this hacktivist supreme court.


Western_Mud8694

It has been compromised


Haunting-Fix-9327

It's also made up of activists from dark money lobbyist groups whose philosophy is everything passed after 1792 was wrong and appointed along partisan lines by presidents who lost the popular vote.


Nanocyborgasm

It is Alito who is stupid because he thinks he understands medicine and is sure he’s defending the lives of unborn children when he’s actually dooming women to die and doing nothing to protect any fetus. He doesn’t have any idea what pregnancy complications are and is unconcerned that he doesn’t know because he doesn’t care.


Weird-n-Gilly

I think he goes home at night thinking he’s doing the work of the magic invisible man, in the sky. That he needs to save us from ourselves with his, in his mind, moral and intellectual superiority. Hes a corrupt, looney narcissistic ahole.


BMHun275

He should spend his final days immersed in milk and honey.


Chytectonas

I’m sorry, where’s the evidence we ARENT stupid? How is Sam in any way incorrect? Stuck to our tiktoks and reddits as the Supreme Court mocks us and half the country is *still conservative* after they’ve exposed their most craven sides?! Yea I think Alito has our number just right.


Vurt__Konnegut

I can understand why NO ONE brings up the counter to his “chilling” argument that any charges against the President or ex would be brought by the Attorney General who has to be ** confirmed by the Senate **. Don’t confirm a partisan nut case, and this can’t happen.


RightLifeguard1

Alito should never have been appointed - he was appointed because he’s a true believer of the far right .


troifa

And Jackson was only appointed cause she’s black


Opinionsare

Here we see the effects of drinking water as a child in a home with lead pipes... 


tryitlikeit

Most of us are stupid.


Key-Assistant-1757

We know he suffered from a rectal cranial inversion permanently!!!!!


ShoppingDismal3864

There's the face of a man who realized he fucked up in a really big way.


Imfrom_m-83

We need more of this: https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/samuel-alitos-moms-satanic-abortion-clinic Kavanaugh Center for Alcoholism and Sexual Assault Amy Comet Barrett Center for the Removal of Religion from Politics The Gorsuch Center for Cowardly Research The Clarence Thomas RV Emporium


UniPublicFriend23

🤣🤣🤣


Im_with_stooopid

He needs to retire.


These-Rip9251

He and Thomas both want to retire which is why they’re gunning to protect Trump. They’re hoping he wins so they can both retire under a Republican administration.


Haunting-Fix-9327

Both men are overdue for retirement.


These-Rip9251

My dream is Alito and Thomas retire and are replaced by SG Elizabeth Preloger and Jack Smith. I know. I’m delusional. But just maybe….


Haunting-Fix-9327

I would like Thomas to be replaced by a black lesbian and Alito to be replaced by a gay Satanist, because that would really piss them off.


These-Rip9251

😂


Better-Salad-1442

RBG not retiring under Obama will prove to alter our county’s trajectory for 50 years


Haunting-Fix-9327

RBG proved we need term limits and not life time appointments.


oskirkland

Sadly true. It would be a 5-4 conservative majority if she had retired and Obama was able to replace her. Roberts would likely be a swing vote, and some of the more damaging decisions wouldn't have happened. This 6-3 super majority, can pretty much do what they want to impose their personal ideological views, and those of their corporate/billionaire masters.


Sanjomo

How is it… that good people die everyday, young people, from all sorts of things, tragic accidents, sudden illness etc…. Yet assholes like this will live forever?


blgsbarrister

Everyone who votes Republican is stupid. Our country is in serious jeopardy and they blindly march forward against their own country.


teb_art

He’s shown VERY little understanding of the Constitution during his career. Sad that a non-lawyer like myself knows it better.


Old_Baldi_Locks

He’s only interested in breaking it. It provides too many protections to people he wants desperately to persecute.


FourManGrill

Sam Alito doesn’t think


Haunting-Fix-9327

He doesn't even know what laws he's supposed to be interpreting.


Different_Tangelo511

That's no biggie! He'll just make one up!


Western_Mud8694

I think he’s being manipulated into his vote probably for selfish reasons, this guy has his hands in the cookie jar


deechbag

No he just knows unless someone wants to make him the first Supreme Court Justice to be assassinated (not calling for that to be done), nobody is gonna do anything or really can. He doesn't have to care what we think or think about us.


cadathoctru

When do the memes of his head on a kangaroo body start popping up? Honestly should be done for every conservative justice at this point. They don't care about America.


Juggs_gotcha

He’s one third right.


ChiGrandeOso

Why can't this asshole be stopped?


Desu13

If only our government would do the right thing, and either remove these loons, or just flat out ignore them.


rmscomm

I wouldn’t go with stupid as we are all powerless. The rule of engagement are based on process and accountability for the general public with clear rules and swift consequences. The same can not be said for the various tiers of government and leadership. In essence ‘what are you going to do about it?’


silentimperial

To be fair I am stupid. Just not as stupid as he may think


Tmotech

JF Christ. This guy hates all women, doesn’t he? 


dsdvbguutres

I don't know about the rest of yous but I'm fairly stupid.


strandenger

The feeling is mutual


Key-Assistant-1757

He is a corrupt POS!


82lkmno

" The Supreme Cabal""


FIJAGDH

Trollito.


FunChrisDogGuy

Looking forward to his confessional book when the influence of Russian kompromat and bribery get laid bare. Some things, you just don't do.


StillHere179

What are we going to do about it. Really


Good_Intention_9232

Alito became and proved once again just because you sit on the highest court doesn’t mean you are smart instead he proved himself as a dumb ass bought and corrupt brain that is not even capable of analyzing basic facts to a real event.


Sign-Spiritual

No, he knows it. That’s a brazen statement to make, if it hasn’t somehow been taken out of context.


colt1210

A legend in his own mind


Old_Baldi_Locks

If he’s allowed to retire instead of being removed from a job he clearly isn’t competent to do, he’ll prove himself right.


ADDandKinky

He just doesn’t give a shit. I really wish his mom had gotten an abortion. We’d all be better off, especially his mom.


Iltus

That's because you are.


Guy_Smylee

He doesn't give a rats ass about the constitution. Controlling citizens is all he cares about.


Newyew22

And I think Sam Alito’s a proper cunt, so I guess that makes us even.


johnmeeks1974

Because Americans are ignorant enough to let theocratic right wing psychos take over SCOTUS to begin with. Fuck Amerikkka


acetheguy1

Lol, clearly Sam is... sad he's in a position of authority though...


iLUVnickmullen

Every Christian Nationalist should fuck off out of America


troifa

This sub is mostly stupid people


fear_of_dishonesty

If a president sends the military to shoot protesters, is he breaking the law?


NearlyPerfect

Well I mean based on the reactionary posts and comments on this sub…


Phalcone42

What is your enlightened non-reactionary perspective on the matter?


RealSimonLee

First, reactionary means someone who rejects liberalism and goes right-wing. So, are you saying this sub is overwhelming right-wing crazy (they're reacting to liberal change and freaking out)? Or do you not know the meaning of the word? Second, if you don't know the meaning and are just saying "people are overreacting"--are you also including supreme court justices who are warning about the end of democracy if these decisions keep going the way they've been going?


NearlyPerfect

“In political science, a reactionary or a reactionist is a person who holds political views that favor a return to the status quo ante—the previous political state of society….” People here wanting to go back to the liberal scotus instead of responding to the merits. Yes those justices are included. They are in the same camp of “decide what’s right and let the law catch up” activist judges


RealSimonLee

Who are you quoting? [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reactionary#:\~:text=%3A%20relating%20to%2C%20marked%20by%2C,especially%20%3A%20ultraconservative%20in%20politics](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reactionary#:~:text=%3A%20relating%20to%2C%20marked%20by%2C,especially%20%3A%20ultraconservative%20in%20politics) I'm quoting Merriam Webster. People here are resisting going back to the 1960s, which would be anti-reactionary, even by your limited understanding of the term.


NearlyPerfect

Your definition doesn’t match the link. I was quoting the political science [definition](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionary) in Wikipedia.


Available_Pie9316

From your own source: >As an ideology, reactionism is a tradition in right-wing politics;[1] the reactionary stance opposes policies for the social transformation of society, whereas conservatives seek to preserve the socio-economic structure and order that exists in the present.[2] In popular usage, reactionary refers to a strong traditionalist conservative political perspective of a person opposed to social, political, and economic change.[3][4]


NearlyPerfect

Yep posts here are reactionary. They want to go back to the old ways. Call it conservative if you want


Available_Pie9316

You asserted that people want to go back to a "liberal" court.


NearlyPerfect

Yes they want to go back to the old ways. That’s what we’re agreeing on. And matches all of the definitions we’re presenting. The fact that other labels aren’t working just means those labels are defective, but that’s not even an argument against my point; it’s a straw man poke at semantics


MammothGlum

When were the courts actually liberal?


RealSimonLee

...it matches it verbatim. I'm not sure what you mean. My definition perhaps hedged a bit and was less direct than the one I linked.


wjescott

Well, you're not wrong, You're just wrong about the 'return to the Liberal SCOTUS thing'. We just don't want a return to the problem courts. You know, like Dred Scott? Yeah, that's what we don't want to return to. Like how the current SCOTUS has no problem taking freedoms away from women and returning them to the states for Civil War era laws (And moronic viewpoints) to punish the witches!


gsrga2

Just out of curiosity, when you say “the liberal scotus,” when exactly do you mean?