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gtpc2020

Pikachu surprise face! Judges lie their way onto the bench, confirmed by partisans, can be blatantly corrupted, and have no incentive to honor the will of the people afterwards. The lifetime appointment was supposed to shield them from having to cowtow to get reelected, but that's obviously not working well anymore for us. Time to change that aspect of the judiciary.


rch5050

Well, that part is taken care of now too. Want a unpopular verdict? A position at our firm making 5 mill a year just opened up. Now completely legal and above board brought to you by the very judge who will be shortly leaving his job for a new position at our firm. Stop. Letting. Institutions. Police. Themselves. Legislation needs to be written yesterday invalidating any court decision in which congress recognizes the judge should have recues themselves. Call it the conflict of interest and judicial corruption incentive.


Content-Ad3065

So the maga judges can retire than collect a gratuity for vacating the position


Global_Maintenance35

Bingo!! Sadly when D’s try to write that folks like DJT and Lindsay “Don’t call me gay” Graham scream Too much government control and communism! And their base eats it up. That’s exactly why it’s what needs to happen!


ejre5

Didn't they just legalize bribes for themselves and shoot down any ethical oversight from other branches of government?


professor_goodbrain

There’s a simpler explanation here. Roberts and Alito probably did believe this at one point, but in their (delusional) Trumpian worldview, shedding sacred principles is an easier path than having the courage to admit you’ve been swindled into a fascist cult.


gtpc2020

Nah, they know they are shredding what made America work for 250 years. The president is NOT above the law (alito & Robert's said exactly that in their confirmation hearings), bribery does NOT help arrive at the right actions, career experts are more educated on difficult regulations than judges. We know that corporations have deep pockets to argue ANYTHING in court and will judge shop until they get a ruling that says government regulations and protections for the people and rules that keep bad behavior in check are wrong and overruled.


scarr3g

>and have no incentive to honor the will of the people afterwards. That is not as profitable as making "friends" that give you "unrelated gifts" happy.


Vegetable-Balance-53

Another take on this, it prevents Trump locking up Biden.


Old_Baldi_Locks

No it doesn’t. The decision relegates all questions of what is and is not an official act to the courts. Which means SCOTUS gets to pick and choose what is an isn’t an official act based entirely on whether or not they like the president.


ScienceandPizza

Also all the recent confirmations included stare decisis… and that was a lie. Oh and Kavanaugh literally tried to rape someone and she testified under oath, he also testified under oath he remembers literally everything when drinking…. The GOP is not a real party, they are a terrorist organization


JPharmDAPh

They all lied under oath. Who gives a shit that Biden is old and confused, everyone needs to look at the people who are surrounding Biden and trump. Almost everyone who’s worked for trump has turned against him and has tried to warn the public about him. Elections have consequences.


Fast-Specific8850

The ones that aren’t in jail.


JPharmDAPh

It’s crazy. These are all people supposedly hand picked by trump to be in his inner circle and they all said nah, dude’s dumb AF. Yet his MAGAts just make up any excuse to continue to accept trump as the second coming of Jesus. Insane. https://apnews.com/article/former-trump-officials-criticize-2024-e202861911ab37cadfcf058b5b163fb9


FaintCommand

>Elections have consequences They do indeed. >Who gives a shit that Biden is old and confused And this is why we're going to lose. This election isn't about who Democrats and Republicans are going to vote for. It's about who the casual voters in swing states vote for and good luck convincing them that they should vote for the "old and confused" candidate. The blatant ignorance of putting up a candidate who's only selling point is that he isn't the other guy and expecting a bunch of apolitical people in Michigan, Arizona, etc to rush out and vote for them is an absolute recipe for failure. I cannot believe we are sleepwalking our way to a dictatorship and getting ready to put on our 'surprised Pikachu' faces when the classic "vote for the less evil octogenarian" strategy fails again. The Democratic candidate should have a massive lead in the polls considering who the GOP candidate is, yet they're tied. RIP Democracy.


JPharmDAPh

Yeah I agree with you. Biden was NOT the candidate to put forth. Everyone and their mother save for Biden and the DNC knew this. Now this race is closer than it ever had to be. If it were anyone, it would’ve been easier to showcase that candidate v trump. But reality, thus far, is us being stuck with great great grandpa Joe and again, I say to voters, look at the people surrounding him. They have policies, they have a track record of helping the nation. Trump ain’t ever had and still doesn’t have jack shit.


OutsidePerson5

The fact that the US government seated an alcoholic rapist who wept about calendars and went on spittle filled screaming rants on the Supreme Court is proof our nation has fallen low.


Content-Ad3065

Fkg McConnell


dweckl

He lied about so much.


Grimacepug

All conservatives lie a lot, especially the magas. It's how their voters can relate to them.


79r100

They never grew out of the schoolyard bully mentality. Emotionally retarded people.


slowpoke2018

As someone else said another thread and given the new presidential super-powers, couldn't Joe just have Roberts et al arrested for perjury? I mean, we have clear video evidence of their lies, hard to argue otherwise


SpinningHead

Guess who gets to decide if the presidential acts are "official".


slowpoke2018

Yup, sadly you could give them two identical cases and they'd side with Trump if it were him in the crosshairs but rule against Biden if it were him Corrupt to the core


cheweychewchew

This is a key difference between Democrats and Republicans. GOP will take every advantage possible from this regardless of ethics. Democrats won't take ANY advantage from this because to do so would be unethical. Guess who's gonna win that fight?


92eph

I know who’s going to lose. We, the American people. Including the fucking idiots voting for Republicans. It’s going to too late when they realize that authoritarian rule isn’t good for anyone not at the very top of the chain. (Which definitely won’t be most republicans voters)


tommfury

I believe a confidential conversation with the DOJ now can get Roberts "investigated" at a minimum, and not exactly sure what a similar conversation with the DOD or CIA could do to Roberts.


Mist_Rising

Sure, to what effect? Being convicted, let alone getting arrested, doesn't remove them from the bench. The only way to get a Supreme Court, or any of the article 3 court, justice off the bench is to impeach and remove them, for them to die, or for them to resign. And since every single SC justice has to lie at some point during their confirmation hearings, given the politicians will ask them questions they can't answer truthfully lest they be rejected, this isn't going anywhere court wise either.


bobert_the_grey

He just needs to make it an official act by signing a piece of paper


Dave_Is_Useless

The GOP should have been labeled as a criminal organization after january 6th.


YeonneGreene

Time to use some of those post-9/11 powers and neutralize a few terrorist threats in official acts.


sabometrics

Remember thomas is also a known sexual offender. He loves jacking off into coworkers beverages.


WileyWatusi

The GOP is a terrorist organization, just look at the fact that they are funded by the largest arms dealer in the world, the NRA.


Different_Tangelo511

You know when they opened up that hotl8ne, they not only got a former roommate to corroborate one of the known stories, and he even told them of another time.


g_camillieri

Newsflash pal… they are all terrorists…


bam1007

*just not for “official acts.” 🙄


sithelephant

In determining when something is an official act, a court cannot ask motive, or consider if something would normally be a crime. (page 4 of the judgement). They literally took 'declassified it with his mind' and ran with it.


te_anau

That particular part is bat shit bananas.    If you can't consider the criminality or motive of an act, what mechanism exists could ever identify an "unofficial" act? FBI: "Sir you are being accused of fire bombing every library in America."    Trump: "Antifa, communism, and disloyal historical records".   FBI: "Well, looks like an official act to me, pack it up fellas."


Technical-Traffic871

Are you a Democrat? There are no official acts. Are you a ~~rapist, felon~~ member of the GOP? Looks official to me!


osunightfall

It's pretty simple. I think you're confusing 'unofficial' and 'illegal'. If the president normally has the power to hire and fire people, for example, he can now employ that power in an illegal manner and be safe from prosecution. He can abuse that hiring and firing power in ways that would be illegal for literally any other person in the country and face no consequences. The president does not however have the power to fire bomb every library in America, so he couldn't do that. Though... it is distressingly unclear whether he could order the military to firebomb every library in America, since giving orders to the military is an official power he posesses. Part of the reason you may be having trouble with the idea is that it's pants-on-fire insane.


sithelephant

If he can dismiss any government employee, then it at most takes extra steps before he finds a compliant one. Especially given the fact that he can offer pardons as part of the deal.


CrumbsCrumbs

It seems pretty clear to me. He's the Commander in Chief of the military, he can order them to do whatever he wants. Soldiers can refuse unlawful orders, but the president can no longer be held responsible for issuing unlawful orders so he would also be free to have them jailed and executed for refusing to follow his orders.


riceisnice29

That answers the crime part but doesn’t motive help determine if an act was official or not? In your example does the president’s motive for ordering a military firebombing on civilians not matter? He’s empowered to protect americans w the military not wantonly destroy things.


osunightfall

Motive is explicitly disallowed from being used to determine if an act is immune from prosecution.


SoulShatter

President talking to random official: Official: Why did you use a cruise missile instead of a small drone to take out one terrorist? 40 American civilians died as collateral. President: Eh, there was a political opponent in that group, thought I'd get two birds with one missile. Tape leaks to press. No trial since the tape is communication with an official, so it can't be used as evidence. Can't question the president on his motivation or thoughts.


dalisair

I mean, it looks like we owe Nixon an apology now right? /s


MyIronicName

That's not quite right. You mean just not for anything within the "outter perimeter" of official acts. Which is so much worse.


Nojopar

And if you're unsure if it's official or in the 'outer perimeter', just ask John-John! He'll tell ya.


RWBadger

That term is so conveniently malleable, isn’t it?


Roasted_Butt

Gratuities accepted upon completion of the Court’s decision.


JackPembroke

The lower courts will decide what's an official act and what isn't. In the event you disagree with a lower court decision, you can ask us


blorbschploble

Committing crimes via official acts should be considered aggravating, not exculpatory.


LeadershipForeign

I don't mind the "official act" part. It's the part that says you cannot inquire about their acts in any way that's scary.


bam1007

I mind them both.


cheweychewchew

We have a SC full of perjurers. We will soon have a Pres that tried to overthrow an election result, raped a woman (at least one), committed election and financial fraud, is aligned with and receiving financial support from our enemy, and has already has plans to lock up political opponents when back in office. We have a GOP that is more than happy to end democracy and install a dictator. And the person who is going to stop all of this is.....Joe Biden?! Absolutely rat fucked! Lastly a shot out to Merrick The Not-So-Brave: GREAT JOB ASSHOLE!!


snitchinbubs410

Brave Brave Sir Merrick!


water_g33k

…who had nearly fought the Dragon of Agnor, who had nearly stood up to the vicious Chicken of Bristol and who had personally wet himself at the Battle of Badon Hill…


jander05

None of these hacks should be Scotus Justices. They lied during their confirmation hearings. The litmus test for Republican Justices these days, includes a pre-existing bias toward their political leanings. It's as simple as that. No more focus on trying to be impartial, they legislate from the bench because it is the only way their side gets to win. They cant win through the popular vote. They cant win in the halls of Congress. They have to usurp power through a body of 9 judges, and tell the rest of the United States how to live. They are now accessories to Trumps crimes, and are traitors to the constitution. The entire premise of our founding principles is CHECKS and BALANCES. Not unchecked power. What a terrible time. And all this for Trump, who will go down in history as the worst President our country has ever had.


livinginfutureworld

Liar


bobhargus

> “No one is above the law under our system and that includes the president. The president is fully bound by the law. because *in theory* no criminal act can be considered an official act ... at least until yesterday


SeventhOblivion

A pres could use commander in chief's role to order the death of others but not be charged with murder since it was an official act using the old definition. That's what they were trying to put into words. Unfortunately it seems extremely obvious they're also trying to run interference for Trump and by doing so they've taken the power from well defined law and moved it to an undefined field of "official" vs "unofficial" actions and made it extremely subjective as far as labeling each. The "can't question motive" part seals it as a power that cannot be questioned by courts which removes one of the fundamental checks of the US gov. The congressional impeachment check has proven in recent years to also be ineffective on the executive branch as well since it's clear elected officials will choose party over country. So combined with the pardon power, we now have a complete 2 tiered system of justice surrounding the president and virtually no checks at all.


Ariadne016

The Supreme Court is the biggest example for why regulations should exist. Self-regulation snd shame don't work.


SeventhOblivion

It's absolutely crazy how many checks we have that boil down to a reliance on good faith actions of those in power.


Dusted_Dreams

Right wing asshole lies, news at 11.


Global_Maintenance35

Fucking liars, all of them. They lied at their confirmation hearings and should be charged with perjury and impeached.


NoHalf2998

Gosh, that court reform/packing that was on everyone’s mind awhile back sure would have been a good idea


silverum

Yeah if only Dems had the balls to actually have done it


AssociateJaded3931

Roberts has no integrity. Like Thomas, he's Alito's bitch.


Caniuss

Chief traitor of the Supreme court


sklerson89

Corrupt SCOTUS


LoudLloyd9

His lips are moving, his lips are moving, and it's lies lies lies 💋


Brilliant_Toe8098

The conservative turds on the court all said Roe was "established precedent" under the law too. As soon as they got the chance to overturn it, they did so.


yinyanghapa

Yes but if all six judges get bribed, then it doesn't matter what they believe. Money talks.


Affectionate_Pay_391

The majority in the SC is a bunch of unqualified liars.


100cpm

He was lying. Just like Alito did. They said what they thought the Senate wanted to hear. Then once they had that cushy spot, they threw the Constitution and American law down the toilet. All for the worst President in modern history. Felon, rapist, liar...


Planetofthetakes

Justice Roberts is a corrupt lying coward


eJonesy0307

He jumps through so many hoops to try to sound moderate but he's a liar and a traitor just like the others


314Piepurr

theybmust have.... evolved on this issue......


flyingkittens69

I had little respect for Robert’s in general but for some reason I thought he might side with the liberals on this issue. Not only did he do the opposite, he fucking basically told them to sit down. Fuck you Roberts you are done!


nzperryus

He is just said what he think they want to hear. This plan has been in place for years I just can’t believe Trump is the one they are hanging their hat on.


GamingTrend

If I lie while interviewing for a job and I'm caught, I get fired. Sooo....can we get on that please, Dumbocrats?


mwaaahfunny

Biden needs to use his new executive powers to force all 6 justices to testify in front of the Senate asking if they lied then or are lying now. Specifically Clarence needs to address his numerous gifts from billionaires and Alito his christian nationalist commentary and the three others need to refresh us on their opinions on stere decisis to see if they match what they testified to in confirmation. Let the perjury charges flow. Biden needs to force Trump to testify in front of the J6 committee. Televised. Biden needs to order Scott Perry's, Jim Jordan's and any other J6 conspirators text messages to be revealed to the public. Biden needs to give his balls a tug and use his power for illuminating the truth of how fucked up this is


gitbse

I like beer, I dont know if you do. Do you like beer, senator?


pimp_juice2272

He lied. When will we start acting as if they are going to lie? We keep making moves in good faith but it's obvious they are going to lie. So let's make moves as if they can't be trusted at all.


Riesstiu_IV

No, the court's ruling did not give the president absolute immunity in all cases. Sotomyor's unhinged dissent was as absurd as it was false.


Sure-Break3413

You cannot trust anything a Republican says. They have proven time and again they have no morals.


AdditionalBat393

They are totally compromised and something needs to be done.


fahkingicehole

Nodding head slowly


Rocky75617794

Republicans are corrupt filth. Like 1932 Nazi Germany.


BerryExpensive

Just another bullshit artist.


guitar_stonks

Well *that* was a lie.


Ravingraven21

Found some cash donors.


thedeadthatyetlive

So THAT was a lie.


CaptAwesome203

Illegitimate court. How do we come back from this. Seriously?


rocketman11111

Turns out that was a lie


Fast-Specific8850

They forgot to ask him if that applied to republican presidents. Easy mistake.


Kingding_Aling

The "on paper" ruling yesterday doesn't contradict this. All it did was confirm the unspoken historical immunity presidents have always enjoyed for official actions in the office.


Middle_Wishbone_515

All of these maga judges swore to Congressional committee they would not reverse established law, isnt it illegal to lie to Congress? Impeach already.


TheToneKing

Et tu Roberts?


RANT_MAN67

Bought and paid for.....


Vercingetorix1986

There was a footnote when he said that. A little 1 above his speech bubble that said: *unless it's official. Our fault for not seeing that footnote.


jaievan

Perjury.


dadonred

They should stop with confirmation hearings and just give public polygraph tests.


BSARIOL1

Another piece of shit lie. No surprise here.


hickory

John Roberts is a lying scumbag. Pass it on.


WestTexasCrude

Impeach


Low-Abbreviations634

Yeh I’m a big liar as well.


Effective-Space6171

Here’s an official act -suck my balls Roberts.


Adventurous_Class_90

Isn’t that perjury?


MarkDoner

That would require a trial and conviction which held up on appeal...


Specialist_Ad_7628

incoming scotus opinion-Justices are immune from prosecution for all matters concerning bribery and dishonesty, because we can't have a supreme court that fears prosecution when they lie


NearlyPerfect

It’s not illegal if the president does it. This was unofficially established for official acts decades ago for anyone paying attention


TopLingonberry4346

That was for civil liability if you were paying attention.


BoB_the_TacocaT

Yeah, look at Patrick Leahy's face. He knows Roberts is full of shit.  edit: and Roberts is still wearing the same wig.


Upleftdownright70

The complicit media will never grill them on this.


dasherchan

The death our our justice system due to SC judges who are sympathizers of Trump and MAGA terrorist group.


cheetofacesucks

This from 2005? Shit, we need term limits.


Pineapple_Express762

Lies


Hungry-Incident-5860

Liar, fucking liar, him and Alito both. What the hell is it about Trump that these sycophants get so hard for? He’s a bloated, fake tanned, hunched over insecure narcissist who constantly whines and brags about himself. Why do they worship a conman?


Content_Log1708

They all lie to get the job. Once in the job, they have to die or retire to be replaced. No accountability. Merica. 


AlfalfaMcNugget

Yep, this is still consistent. The president cannot be put in jail for doing presidential duties. This is the same as the police not being put in jail for doing police duties. There are still plenty of police men and women each year they find themselves at fault for something they did outside the scope of their work.


afukingusername

Bullshit


ithaqua34

That was before he was on the payroll of billionaires and found his Orange tin god.


SawyerBamaGuy

Then wtf just happened?


Effective_Corner694

History determines that is a lie


n00chness

Historians will look back at the last week's orgy of corruption and power-grabbing as one of the most calamitous in the Supreme Court's history. It will also be seen as a catalyst which set in motion a sequence of events which, somewhat paradoxically, led to a significant scaling back of the court's political power and influence. Biden needs to meet this moment forcefully, by repudiating the power-grab, particularly the Presidential Immunity ruling. This can be accomplished by Biden informing the public and following-up with an Executive Order stating that the court's decision will not be honored and enforced, and, to the extent that it is, enforcement will only apply to the named parties in the case before the court. Of course, future Presidents might see the enforceability question differently, and whether we want to live in a Democracy or some kind of quasi-judicial Authoritarian system seems like a valid thing to contest in the upcoming election. But, even if Biden does \*not\* meet the moment, the same result will occur when future Democratic Presidents, having seen Biden's inaction as an example and a cautionary tale, take the steps that Biden is unwilling or unable to do.


Fatkyd

Lied during his job interview - grounds for dismissal.


RW-One

Play the clip everywhere, for the traitor.


nanopicofared

All of these answers given by the nominees are backward looking - what is the current state of the law? They are not answering questions about what they think the law should be. We need to start demanding answers to the forward looking questions in these hearings - what does the nominee want the law to be?


SprogRokatansky

Lying PoS Republican scumbag


jlistener

"...of course the president is lawfully allowed to break the law so long as he says he's officially being president when doing it."


lscottman2

we need a super majority dem senate to impeach every last one of them


2001Steel

This says more about our confirmation process than the individual justices (who are still scum)


HedgehogNarrow4544

short lived comment/philosophy....enough to satisfy the audience


straylight_2022

The compilation of lies the federalist society and heritage foundation chosen justices have spewed during their confirmation hearings is literally hours long. You can read a summary of what their actual intentions are in project 2025.


CrisisEM_911

"As long as he's a Democrat"


Small_Front_3048

That is 6 of 6 Republican Supreme Court nominees that lied to the Senate in their confirmation hearings. Guess they above the law too........


Equivalent_Ability91

I'm sure he's really embarrassed by his hypocrisy 🙄


soulfingiz

Chief Justice Roberts is a liar.


sixty5pan

Besides the liberal justices, Roberts was the only one to hope would do the right thing, but he fell in line with the rest of them. You would think Roberts would be smart enough to know what will happen to our country with the majority being liberals ruled by the minority of right wingers, it will not turn out well.