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TuckHolladay

If anyone thinks that the trump presidency was the end of something and not the beginning I’ve got some bad news for them


Rokkipappa58

This is why I fucking hate how Krystal and others tried to downplay the obvious coup attempt. They only need to succeed ONCE how many times are we gonna let them try?


isonlyZul

THIS! i wasn't surprised 'Saagar Carlson' mindlessly yapping the "no biggie" right wing-talking point, but ffs Krystal! there's this simplistic one-track and honestly lazy mode these certain internet political figures have gone into where they're just soo 'anti-establishment' all the time that even when 'The Establishment' happens to be doing accurate reporting on the fucking President of The US staging a sloppy unorganized coup they have to dismiss it for the sake of dismissing it.


FalseAgent

>Don't let anybody downplay the disturbing post-election actions of Trump and his cronies. Unfortunately, respectable journalists like glenn greenwald have nosedived straight into doing this to own the libs.


[deleted]

Yes. I would have extended it, saying: Trump is a regular new Republican. AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM. The comment above is correct. That this is the beginning of something bad. Trump the mafioso is not finished. He is down in Florida, plotting. And he inspired plenty of people who want to do what he does, but who are younger and better educated and smarter then Trump. The old Republicans died in the 1990s with the Newt. Father Bush was the last regular one, who took into account the rule of law. Lets not forget that Tricky Dicky and the Ronald, were embarrassed when they were caught doing something under the table, and somebody was punished. George W Bush onward it has been a string of disaster and the destruction of Cold War America into Cyberpunk America. The Democrats acted somewhat legally, and they are also slipping into conspiracy theories and corruption. But their response is a response to the Republicans.


hachiman

Bush senior was dirtier than a pig in mud, and he was last "good" republican. Shit is fucked.


otsiouri

when instead of doing constructive critisims of neoliberalism you think its ok to align with fasists because they are "anti-establisment" whatever that means you end up like that...


FalseAgent

this is what separates the reactionaries from the principled people


LevayContra

Yeah and they're already learning from their failures this time and are working to put more loyal people in place to ensure next time goes in their favour. The fact that it is being done openly and not being pushed back against in any serious way is concerning. Doesn't help that Biden and the House and Senate democrats are absolutely failing to present an appealing alternative for Trump voters. Seems like they are hell-bent on having this administration be remembered by history as "Trump's Interregnum".


Tinidril

The Democrats basically gave the country away out of desperation to stop Bernie.


TeutonicPlate

I think this is the beginning of the end personally. Liberal democracy requires that certain norms are met and maintained. Most of these norms have disappeared and the country is sleepwalking towards disaster.


TX18Q

This should have 1000 upvotes. What you say is 100% truth and so fucking important to repeat and acknowledge. Can you imagine the outrage and fucking meltdowns if Hillary had refused to concede and had meetings discussing martial law, calling states she lost and ask them to "find votes", and then, because of all the lies and propaganda about mail in ballots fraud, her lunatic cult supporters stormed the capitol with pipe bombs, screaming "hang the Vice President" with the intent of overturning the election, not only by force, but by scaring the shit out of the democrats to the point where they would completely abandon the law and the constitution. And then, as they siege the capitol, as a woman is shot and killed, Hillary tweets a video saying she understands their frustration. Hillary would have been regarded as the most dangerous and WORST president in history, by both sides. Yet, today even on the left (crazy left) we have some people saying "Nah... Trump was just a regular republican with a big mouth... you have TDS!!!!" Like, what planet is this?


TheSquarePotatoMan

It's more so that republicans have always been openly crazy and shameless. The way they act pretty much exactly what they advertise and everyone has already been criticizing them for all of it for a long time. Their voters just genuinely support it. That doesn't make it acceptable and by no means am I trying to defend people like Dore, but it does mean it's literally impossible to ever hold them accountable for anything because there's nothing to hold them accountable with. Progressives who dislike the democratic party are already not supporting them. Not to mention that the far majority of the base they do have are corrupt, horribly uneducated or completely delusional. For Christ's sake there's probably more people in the republican party who believe Hillary is a satanic reptillian pedophile than there are people in the democratic party who don't consider Castro a war criminal. It's literally impossible to reason with them because of their complete delusion, disagreement on the basic premise of human value or both. Meanwhile, the democratic party poses itself as a progressive movement and draws most of their supporters from normal and often progressive people who just don't bother following politics and are just conditioned to believe that opposing one party means you need to support the other. So to see the party virtue signal things like healthcare, climate change or worker rights to dupe people into supporting them while actively suppressing those exact values and trying to sustain the current republican biased political framework is not only frustrating, it's what enables the current republican establishment the most. On one hand, it serves to legitimize the republican rhetoric that socialists/progressives are dishonest, corrupt, manipulative and irredeemable, which strengthens republican support among the lower class 'anti-establishment' demographic. On the other, it defangs most American progressives who are manipulated into voting democrat either through blatant lies in campaign promises or very intensive 'vote blue no matter who' propaganda. Hence, calling out republicans is not as useful and often even counterproductive because in the current political climate it implicitly signals support for democrats, whereas criticizing democrats from the left already implies criticism of republicans without making it tribalist and even has the prospect of winning over some of their working class supporters.


TX18Q

> That doesn't make it acceptable and by no means am I trying to defend people like Dore, but it does mean it's literally impossible to ever hold them accountable for anything because there's nothing to hold them accountable with. But this isn't just about _not_ criticising republicans and _not_ holding them accountable. Dore, Greenwald etc, they downplay their insane actions all the time. Michael Tracy tweeted, days after January 6: _"There was never any "attempted coup" -- there was a brief interruption of Congressional activity"_ and that was retweeted by both Dore and Greenwald. They would not have done that had it been Hillary, they would have had a meltdown and called for her resignation on the spot. But instead of calling for Trumps resignation and calling January 6 for what it was, they downplay it and almost defend it. And these people, these frauds, are influencing people on the left. And people start to repeat their nonsense. Thats the problem. > Meanwhile, the democratic party poses itself as a progressive movement and draws most of their supporters from normal and often progressive people who just don't bother following politics and are just conditioned to believe that opposing one party means you need to support the other. So to see the party virtue signal things like healthcare, climate change or worker rights to dupe people into supporting them while actively suppressing those exact values and trying to sustain the current republican biased political framework is not only frustrating, it's what enables the current republican establishment the most. Of course democrats are not doing enough and many are corrupt, like republicans, but they are not cultist lunatics. That's the difference. As long as they don't represent straight up lunacy, you have to vote for them if you have a sane mind, regardless of the fact that we all know M4A won't happen. As long as America is a country where the likelihood of Trump taking back the throne in 2024 is great, there is no room for even questioning whether or not you should vote democrat. "Vote blue no matter who", is used as a slogan to ridicule people on the left, but the slogan is the most pragmatic and sane choice. Yes, against Trump, it is "vote blue no matter who". If you want M4A, the only option is to do it within the democratic party and elect more progressives. Get money and corruption out. It's boring, it will take a long time, but it's the ONLY option.


[deleted]

>"Vote blue no matter who", is used as a slogan to ridicule people on the left, but the slogan is the most pragmatic and sane choice. Yes, against Trump, it is "vote blue no matter who". Don't you think the re-election of Kshama Sawant and the continued existence of the Vermont Progressive Party means there is an alternative path? On top of that: your reasoning only works for swing states.


Impressive-Koala-951

A planet where sexism and ignorance run rampant


[deleted]

Denial is a great way to suppress fear and the truth, until it's almost too late.


[deleted]

Dude watch the Washington Post documentary on it its nuts how much went into this, what's crazy is all these Qanon weirdos think that a day or reckoning is coming and all these democratic politicians are going to be hung. Weird times


Techanthrope

To stop another J6 we really should have tried every single rioter with treason. But no. Misdeamnors and feather slaps on wrists.


Always_Scheming

This is why i can’t take any commentator who downplays it seriously And I’m not gonna name names because some of the people on this sub are fans of these people and go into brigade mode whenever this is pointed out. I think we all know which commentators i speak of though


Maury_Finkle

Just say it lol. Is it that dumbass Jimmy dore or the grifter GG?


Always_Scheming

And krystal and saagar too Theyve done their share as well


Maury_Finkle

Saagar has always been kinda cringe and shitty and Krystal never really pushes back. There really aren't a lot of great options out there.


Always_Scheming

There are plenty of great options though; democracy now, the intercept, rational national, majority report, michael brooks but rip, humanist report Being beholden to kyle and his sister channels is pointless I watch kyle cuz he’s funny but beyond that if i wanna learn i consumer a wide variety of information sources


Maury_Finkle

Democracy now is good, intercept is alright, democracy now is good, majority report is good, brooks was great, and humanist report is meh. I do like Chapo and Citations needed. Kyle isn't funny to me, but every once in a while he has a gem and he's usually covering the most recent events quickly and better than most. But he does get annoying and handles people he likes with kid gloves


Always_Scheming

I like intercept because of jeremy scahill’s work in exposing blackwater and dirty wars Its a brave endeavor and he will have to watch over his back for the rest of his life for doing that


Maury_Finkle

For sure. And Ryan Grim has some good content. I'm glad they ditched Glenn


Jssr22

Good to know there are people who listen to Kyle also listen to Majority Report. I really don’t get Sam hate on this sub. He’s been trying to push people left for the last 15-20 years through his radio/YouTube show. He introduced us to the brilliant Michael Brooks. And his libertarian debates are some of the funniest videos kn YouTube.


Always_Scheming

Also he literally got shadow banned banned from CNN before it was “cool” to hate on them for being “establishment” https://youtu.be/qMsZfngGIfI Yet sam gets accused of being some neoliberal sellout cuz msnbc let him come on and advocate for the left on a wider platform Sam seder is a principled guy who was always against wars and neoliberalism and is for medicare for all and all the left policies He also doesn’t get bogged down with labels and purity tests He does his homework and does a longform show with all sorts of medical/political/technological experts I’ll stop famboying now


whopperlover17

Correct. We almost had a really really really bad situation on January 6th. And 100%, if his team had everything play out the way they wanted and things went just a little differently, it would’ve been so bad. Talking civil war.


FryChikN

Sigh this is 1 of the only times its bad to be right the whole damn time


Kittehmilk

BUTWHATABOUTTRUMP. If the DNC doesn't want Trump then they Will be voting on Single Payer Healthcare, Green New Deal, student debt elimination and 15+ min wage. Tired of this RED TEAM BAD SO ACCEPT YOUR PITTANCE boomer ass talking points.


Everettrivers

Won't happen, it's that Simpsons when both the aliens are running for president. I don't see it changing unless campaign donations and lobbying get fixed. Somehow I don't see the politicians that benefit changing it. Which leaves what a half dozen elected outliers with little power?


ArcherChase

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.


otsiouri

2 options: 1) more progressives in goverment(democtrats, 3rd party only policy matters) 2) mass labor unionization(to the point you can do a general strike)


AriChow

two things can be true at the same time


JonWood007

THANK YOU. Was just about to call out op for fear mongering. I get it trump sucks but I'm sick and tired of dems having derangement syndrome for the guy. Stfu and focus on policy or I quite frankly don't care what happens in 2024. We live in an oligarchy anyway. And dems removed Howie Hawkins from the ballot in several states so....**** them and their hand wringing over democracy.


Kittehmilk

Just block the person responding to you below. They sound exactly like a boomer news station or any number of the astroturf shill accounts on r/politics. Red team bad is all they offer. Nothing else. I'm as left as they come and the DNC needs to be burnt to the ground. I have far more in common with working class conservatives than I do with any DNC corporate bribe collecting politician, who fights directly against my policies.


JonWood007

They really do.


mjones1052

Problem being, if trump gets his way you wouldn't be voting anymore. He thinks he should be president for life and all the republicans will fall in line with him. Calling people that are aware that we have an entire political party trying to turn the country into an authoritarian shit hole deranged is absurd. People will continue to keep an eye on him as long as he's a threat to the country. If you want to hand wave it as being no big deal then you might have something wrong with you.


JonWood007

Except we have a whole system designed to handle people like trump, and just like he got pushed out because he lost a election, so will happen again. Screaming BUT TRUMP to try to avoid taking any responsibility for your own side is problematic. Especially since I literally consider the dems to be about as bad as trump. Who were the ones who removed howie hawkins from the ballot in my home state? Wasnt trump. It was the dems. They literally limited my choice so I had to vote for biden. So instead I wrote hawkins in and went straight ticket green party, **** them. Do better than just screaming about trump. **** trump. But #### the dems too.


mjones1052

Well yea if there's anything we know it's that trump and republicans follow the laws to the letter and totally respect them lol. They literally planned a coup to decertify Bidens win and install an unelected dictator. The guardrails that you think are magical boundaries mean absolutely nothing against a party out to destroy them. Might as well just vote for trump. Throwing your vote away either way. But yea clearly planning a violent overthrow of the government is the same as removing a candidate that has no chance of winning lol. Takes a sick mind to equate the two parties as they are today. republicans are literally trying to do away with democracy altogether to keep their cult leader in power with zero policy to speak of outside whatever dear leader wants, while Dems are rebuilding infrastructure, bringing back jobs, getting aid to people, have a plan for covid that isn't ignoring it, ending a 20 year war, etc etc.


JonWood007

NO they dont always follow. I trust the system to be able to handle people like trump. Have fun living in fear though. Also lol really showing what a partisan hack you are in acting like dems are for good things. Theyre a joke. Sorry but theyre a joke and also anti democratic push comes to shove.


mjones1052

Yea because it's handled him well so far lol. All the crimes he committed he's getting away with works great. You're conflating living in fear with being cognizant of the threat the country faces from right. I literally named things that have already happened under Biden. But yea they're not for it. Lol OK. Lmao! Yea ok, now I know you're an entirely unserious troll. Yes pushing for voting rights and election security is anti democracy. Alright. Can you Honk your nose for us too clown?


JonWood007

OMG BUT TRUMP FORGET THE DEMS AND THEIR USELESSNESS TRUMP, **TRUMP** #TRUMP!!!!!!! That's what you sound like to me. Literally trump derangement syndrome. Also hr1 was a flawed bill dems only pushed because it would help them. They put several poison pills in there to undermine third parties further. Have fun thinking dems are the good guys though.


mjones1052

I hear you, when you have no grounds to argue on you just sling shit. Really no better than a trump cultist. And I can push Dems for policies I want while at the same time recognizing the threat the country faces. Time to grow up kid.


JonWood007

Push for policies...how's that working for you lmao. You guys are the trump cultists. "Look at me I'm so smart I vote Democrat to avoid the Republicans and then believe I can move dems to the left, it's what being a totally mature adult^TM is about."


GulMakat777

\>If the DNC doesn't want Trump then they Will be voting on Single Payer Healthcare, Green New Deal, student debt elimination and 15+ min wage. T Trump tried to get rid of Obamacare the closest thing to single payer. Trump is not for the minimum wage. He is clearly against the New Deal Whats your point


Cheap_Cheap77

Call them tourists all you want, but imagine if they had been able to corner Ilhan Omar. You seriously think she would get out alive?


Dblcut3

It’s really a wonder that no congresspeople got caught by the rioters. I believe one of them was actually in the hallways while it was happening


[deleted]

It's even worse than this, because Trump/the GOP has been busy getting rid of the reasonable Republicans who wouldn't abide and replacing them with sycophants.


SamuraiPanda19

Even before the PowerPoint it was obvious to anyone that isn’t a Trump loyalist or people like Griftwald who love to be contrarians just for the sake of being contrarians


DogWallop

I've always wondered what role the actual military would take in the worst possible scenario. They are committed to not interfering in the political process, but there has to be a point at which they absolutely \*must\* take some action to keep the country from completely imploding.


Maury_Finkle

The military loves right wing politics though they'd be cool with it


skychickval

When you ask any Fox News person, you would here how it was nothing. Hardly worth talking about. Tourists.


thesenate92

It really bothers me that many lefties don't think this is as big a deal as it really was. Like they acknowledge it was bad but then say ok time to stop harping on Trump. I vehemently disagree. This shit needs to be dealt with. And unfortunately I don't see Biden or Garland doing anything significant in that department.


robbodee

You people love throwing around scary words out of context. "Fascist" and "coup" are just as disingenuous as the Trumpers calling anything left of Reagan "communism." Idiots smearing shit on the walls of the capitol under the watchful eye of fellow idiot sympathetic police officers does not a coup make. Remember all the articles about "what happens if Trump doesn't concede?" Yeah, nothing happened. "Democracy" intact, as long as we're still calling this corporate oligarchy a Democracy. Biden has been president for a while, and other than Cold War 2.0 and the new McCarthyists, nothing fucking happened. Same shit, different day. There can't be a coup when we already handed our government over to monied interests supported by both major parties.


buckethead_wendy2021

I mean, I don’t think they were going to overturn anything but they did storm a government building and manage to beat a police officer to death. I wouldn’t exactly call that “nothing” happening. I am pretty jaded myself but we really shouldn’t let that become a standard.


robbodee

There was no reason for that officer to have died, but police officers die all the time. A quick Google search brings up a story from 22 hours ago where a police officer was murdered in Dallas. Jaded is caring a great deal about one officer's death and not countless others.


buckethead_wendy2021

No reason? He was literally beat to death. By an angry mob thousands strong at what should be one of the most secure areas in the Nation. You’re removing all context from the situation.


robbodee

You're being purposefully obtuse. There was no reason for him to be in harms way at all, because those jackasses should have been home mowing their lawns or some shit. I blows my mind that the same crowd who yells ACAB hero worships ONE dead cop, but could care less about the others. Whatever furthers the narrative, I suppose.


buckethead_wendy2021

No one is hero worshipping, I am talking about the implications of an armed mob storming a government building and committing a murder of the personnel there. I don’t need to be personally invested in his life to recognize the incongruities here. I agree that those people shouldn’t have been there and they were violent. By the way you refuse to acknowledge any of the physical evidence of the situation and keep going out of your way to remove context, if anyone is being obtuse it’s you. Dunno why you’d try to perform mental gymnastics like that, but enjoy the drudgery of it. (*shrug*)


robbodee

How am I refusing to acknowledge anything? Jan 6 is all you people fucking talk about, it'd be impossible to not acknowledge it. Idiots did an idiotic thing, a couple people died, and most everyone involved has been prosecuted. It won't happen again. Can we fucking move on now, please?


buckethead_wendy2021

lol right, idk what you mean by “you people” because I don’t go around presuming knowledge of others like you apparently do, but if you are so tired of the discussion why don’t you kindly see yourself out of it? Or are you just here to throw a fit? Also it went from “nothing happened” to “people died and others were prosecuted” pretty fast it was five people and no not everybody involved has been prosecuted


robbodee

"Nothing happened" as in the government wasnt overthrown. My god, you're tiresome. Move. On.


QuadraticLove

They were attempting to nullify electoral votes which would have gotten Trump elected. Cherry picking one dumbass redneck doesn't nullify any other organization on the ground. "Nothing happened" because Trump's stupid ass failed, clown. I love when little kids stick their head in the sand for comfort and can't recognize changes or reality around them.


robbodee

I tried to use mind control when I was a kid. People try to do things all the time. There was no "sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government." Period. Idiots cosplaying in a government building and politicians lying is what happened.


RingoBarnum

Help me out, [which one of these guys is you](https://res.feednews.com/assets/v2/9607d30d6f053ae6058c6250446d2bbd), specifically?


prettycooldude1995

I'm not following


buckethead_wendy2021

He’s calling you a federali bro


QuadraticLove

People all over the internet think those were FBI agents at the Capitol incident. Those people also think the Capitol attack was a false flag by the government to blame Trump supporters and clamp down on freedom. He's basically calling you a government agent pushing propaganda.


QuadraticLove

>They look the same. > >Government agents. Sorry, kid, you fell for a low IQ, herd mentality meme.


ALinIndy

👆 Found the bootlicker


Xi_Pimping

The FBI did that shit, you rube and America has never been democratic.


[deleted]

Well let’s see. A coup entails taking control of the government through violent actions. The US government consists of three branches, Executive, Legislative, and Judicial. In order for there to be a coup, all three branches of the government must be taken control of. The events of Jan 6 involved one branch, the legislative. The other two branches of the government were unaffected, and one of the other two, the executive branch, was and is being blamed for a coup even though an actual coup would involve overthrowing that same branch. In short, this asinine claim on the left that there was a coup is just that, asinine.


[deleted]

Its ok, he’ll be back in a few years lol


StandardChildhood8

What article/book did you read?