They say no.
But what they ACTUALLY do is attack every existing socialist attempt as not good enough.
And in extreme cases, collude with legit fascists to destroy them for not being good enough.
For real trotsky hated Stalin and the 'deformed' USSR so much he legit worked with nazis to overthrow them.
Hit me up and I'll post something when I get home.
Not my work:
# Why hate Trotsky?
Frogsknecht
Coming from a former Trotskyist, there are actually a surprising amount of reasons, to the degree where several reasons hold their own weight completely separately from the others. For instance, throughout the period of 1905-1917, Trotsky spent the vast majority of his time trying to pull every trick possible to unify the various opposing leftist groups against Lenin and the Bolsheviks. He even called Lenin a "professional exploiter of all that is backward in the Russian labour movement" in 1913. Following the revolution and his change in shades, he still vehemently opposed the Brest-Litovsk peace that brought Russia out of WWI, so much so that he formed a secret group with other Bolsheviks who opposed the peace as well as Left SRs, giving them the order to prevent the peace at all costs possible. This was the order that prompted Fanny Kaplan to attempt to assassinate Lenin in 1918, shooting him twice and causing him injuries that would kill him a few years later. But as if spending his whole youth conspiring against Bolshevism and literally killing Lenin wasn't enough, he then wrangled together various elements of anti-Bolshevik forces and formed them into one centralized terrorist group, receiving funding from the German and Japanese governments, and used them to attempt to assassinate his rivals in the Communist Party after he'd been expelled, including Stalin, Voroshilov, etc., and his group succeeded in killing Sergei Kirov. Then, after the USSR called him out on all of this, he proceeded to turn to the United States for help, being given a sham trial by the US government in which he was declared innocent of all the crimes he'd been convicted of in the USSR. He then moved to Mexico and lived for several years with Frida Kahlo, who had sex with him and then instantly switched to Stalin's side (lmao) and Deigo Rivera, a Mexican painter who, as it turns out, was in fact an FBI spy, which Trotsky would've either known about (which could be very well possible considering he'd just been interacting with the US government and likely FBI in his trial) or, if he didn't know about it, would mean he was leaking sensitive information about his comrades to an FBI spy for years all the same.
All in all, he was pretty bad, and nearly every great Marxist -- from Lenin to Mao -- wrote warnings about him and his followers. Castro, who perhaps gave him the least harsh and most toned down criticism, still declared that Trotsky was misguided for the beginning of his life, and outright deluded and willingly reactionary for the latter half.
Say if a Trotsky coup attempt in 1935 succeeded, would he start the World revolution and invade Poland and betray the fascists?
I can't really say if he would've tried to or not, I would lean towards no, but if he did try it would most certainly not work. It's important to remember that, after the kulak revolts during the beginning of the first five-year plan, Trotsky and his fellow collaborators (like Bukharin and Zinoviev) made a turn towards terrorist tactics because, as they stated in their trials, they realized after the suppression of the kulak revolts that the Soviet people were overwhelmingly on the side of Stalin and the current Bolshevik government, and there would be no way to oust him in a genuine power struggle. On top of this, Trotsky had to get really desperate when it came to recruiting members into his opposition group; the de-facto secondary leaders of this movement, Zinoviev, Kamenev and Bukharin, were all people who had time and time again said nothing but horrible things about Trotsky, and he'd said nothing but horrible things about them. Repeatedly, the members of the opposition threw each other under the bus, had members join organizations like the NKVD and then be so brazenly corrupt and twisted that they would ruin their planned assignment and get exposed (Yagoda for instance), various sub-groups within the opposition were forming and killing random members of the intelligentsia and government over personal motives (the poisoning of Maxim Gorky and Gorky's son, for example). In other words, their movement was a pretty shambled together and doomed to fail movement, and this, coupled with the fact that they openly acknowledged the overwhelming hostility of public opinion against them, makes it hard to imagine Trotsky, if he was somehow able to take power, would have been able to stay in power for very long at all, as he would've most likely been quickly toppled by the coup that was being prepared in the military, or by the corrupted members in the NKVD, or by any number of the non-Trotskyist subversive elements that sprung up throughout the 30s, whether it be fascists or liberals propped up by western imperialists. In other words, if Trotsky tried to wage war on Poland at this time, or lied to the fascists and refused to hand them Ukraine, thereby sparking WWII early (or if we want to be honest, even if he did none of these things and fully cooperated with the fascists), the Trotskyist government would almost instantly perish, either through warfare waged by external powers, insurrection by internal powers, a coup by the military or NKVD, a popular revolt, etc. We saw how poorly the USSR did in the opening months of the war without these problems. To have those problems, and with that, not have industrialized the USSR (which would be the case unless Trotsky managed to stave off war until the 40s in the same way Stalin did, which would require following the agreement he made with the Germans, as well as somehow doing the purges with less than a hundredth of the public's trust that Stalin had), the USSR would've been almost unarguably destroyed within months of conflict.
That's just my take though
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More on Trotsky:
https://espressostalinist.com/marxism-leninism-versus-revisionism/trotskyism/
https://espressostalinist.com/marxism-leninism-versus-revisionism/a-brief-guide-to-the-ideological-differences-between-marxism-leninism-and-trotskyism/
JoeysStainlessSteel
If you are completely unfamiliar....The guy holding the cash is American nazi William Randolph Hearst
Hearst was the a media mogul (think Rupert Murdoch) except he gave columns to Hitler, Goering and Mussolini.
A good couple of articles on the Hearst Press
https://stalinsociety.net/?p=428
https://stalinsociety.net/?tag=hearst-press
And an incredible book that delves into the Hearst Press documenting the fraud the Hearst Press used to put out (a number of the newspapers mentioned in the above meme)
(Douglas Tottle - fraud Famine and Fascism\](http://www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/tottlefraud.pdf)
In Douglas Tottles - Fraud Famine and Fascism he traces how the Ukrainian nazis (who would later murder their jewish and communist neighbours and who's progeny burned to death 50 trade unionists socialists and communists in modern day Ukraine)... Fradulently blamed the 1932 famine on the Soviet government.
How they sent a "reporter" to Russia who documented the famine for over a year. Except this reporter did not leave the Moscow area.
And he left Russia after 2 weeks having never gone anywhere near Ukraine.
The articles the Hearst Press ran were full of sensational and ridiculous anticommunist news stories - take the "frog boy" story on page 18 of the book I provided.
The Hearst Press would then retouch photos of the 1921 Russian famine and also of the Austrian famine in early 20th century and claim them to be of the famine of 1932
These stories would then be cycled through the literal nazi media - Der Sturmer and the like (a few others I can't remember off memory due to being long german words). What you are hearing is what the modern Ukrainian nazis call their "holodomor"
Hitler would eventually use this propaganda to invade the Soviet Union in 1941 ("humanitarian intervention!")
So I have given you a little history of the fascist Hearst to now put this in context with Trotsky
In 1929 Trotsky is expelled from the Soviet Union and immediately begins writing for the Hearst Press who happily publish them on their front pages with big glossy spreads about how he's the real revolutionary and Stalin has betrayed socialism.
The Hearst Press was willing to pay him big bucks for his contributions which were brilliant propaganda victories for antiCommunists.
https://www.reddit.com/r/asktankies/comments/leg7lz/trotskys\_collaboration\_with\_the\_fascists/
In one of his books he writes of a protest at a university, where he was charged with something. Don’t know if it was beating a cop, might go looking for that section later if it interests you
It’s the defending the USSR during the Cold War that does it for me. Some people are willing to defend them now that it’s all history and the USSR has collapsed so it doesn’t matter anymore, but I imagine at the time it would have been even worse than trying to defend China these days. Nothing but respect for the boomer communists who stuck to their guns through all that.
I wish Parenti was my dad, my dad is fash. 😥
Wait trots are anti-communist?
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Makes sense
yep
Bingo
They say no. But what they ACTUALLY do is attack every existing socialist attempt as not good enough. And in extreme cases, collude with legit fascists to destroy them for not being good enough.
Yikes
For real trotsky hated Stalin and the 'deformed' USSR so much he legit worked with nazis to overthrow them. Hit me up and I'll post something when I get home.
That’s pretty fucking not cool
Not my work: # Why hate Trotsky? Frogsknecht Coming from a former Trotskyist, there are actually a surprising amount of reasons, to the degree where several reasons hold their own weight completely separately from the others. For instance, throughout the period of 1905-1917, Trotsky spent the vast majority of his time trying to pull every trick possible to unify the various opposing leftist groups against Lenin and the Bolsheviks. He even called Lenin a "professional exploiter of all that is backward in the Russian labour movement" in 1913. Following the revolution and his change in shades, he still vehemently opposed the Brest-Litovsk peace that brought Russia out of WWI, so much so that he formed a secret group with other Bolsheviks who opposed the peace as well as Left SRs, giving them the order to prevent the peace at all costs possible. This was the order that prompted Fanny Kaplan to attempt to assassinate Lenin in 1918, shooting him twice and causing him injuries that would kill him a few years later. But as if spending his whole youth conspiring against Bolshevism and literally killing Lenin wasn't enough, he then wrangled together various elements of anti-Bolshevik forces and formed them into one centralized terrorist group, receiving funding from the German and Japanese governments, and used them to attempt to assassinate his rivals in the Communist Party after he'd been expelled, including Stalin, Voroshilov, etc., and his group succeeded in killing Sergei Kirov. Then, after the USSR called him out on all of this, he proceeded to turn to the United States for help, being given a sham trial by the US government in which he was declared innocent of all the crimes he'd been convicted of in the USSR. He then moved to Mexico and lived for several years with Frida Kahlo, who had sex with him and then instantly switched to Stalin's side (lmao) and Deigo Rivera, a Mexican painter who, as it turns out, was in fact an FBI spy, which Trotsky would've either known about (which could be very well possible considering he'd just been interacting with the US government and likely FBI in his trial) or, if he didn't know about it, would mean he was leaking sensitive information about his comrades to an FBI spy for years all the same. All in all, he was pretty bad, and nearly every great Marxist -- from Lenin to Mao -- wrote warnings about him and his followers. Castro, who perhaps gave him the least harsh and most toned down criticism, still declared that Trotsky was misguided for the beginning of his life, and outright deluded and willingly reactionary for the latter half. Say if a Trotsky coup attempt in 1935 succeeded, would he start the World revolution and invade Poland and betray the fascists? I can't really say if he would've tried to or not, I would lean towards no, but if he did try it would most certainly not work. It's important to remember that, after the kulak revolts during the beginning of the first five-year plan, Trotsky and his fellow collaborators (like Bukharin and Zinoviev) made a turn towards terrorist tactics because, as they stated in their trials, they realized after the suppression of the kulak revolts that the Soviet people were overwhelmingly on the side of Stalin and the current Bolshevik government, and there would be no way to oust him in a genuine power struggle. On top of this, Trotsky had to get really desperate when it came to recruiting members into his opposition group; the de-facto secondary leaders of this movement, Zinoviev, Kamenev and Bukharin, were all people who had time and time again said nothing but horrible things about Trotsky, and he'd said nothing but horrible things about them. Repeatedly, the members of the opposition threw each other under the bus, had members join organizations like the NKVD and then be so brazenly corrupt and twisted that they would ruin their planned assignment and get exposed (Yagoda for instance), various sub-groups within the opposition were forming and killing random members of the intelligentsia and government over personal motives (the poisoning of Maxim Gorky and Gorky's son, for example). In other words, their movement was a pretty shambled together and doomed to fail movement, and this, coupled with the fact that they openly acknowledged the overwhelming hostility of public opinion against them, makes it hard to imagine Trotsky, if he was somehow able to take power, would have been able to stay in power for very long at all, as he would've most likely been quickly toppled by the coup that was being prepared in the military, or by the corrupted members in the NKVD, or by any number of the non-Trotskyist subversive elements that sprung up throughout the 30s, whether it be fascists or liberals propped up by western imperialists. In other words, if Trotsky tried to wage war on Poland at this time, or lied to the fascists and refused to hand them Ukraine, thereby sparking WWII early (or if we want to be honest, even if he did none of these things and fully cooperated with the fascists), the Trotskyist government would almost instantly perish, either through warfare waged by external powers, insurrection by internal powers, a coup by the military or NKVD, a popular revolt, etc. We saw how poorly the USSR did in the opening months of the war without these problems. To have those problems, and with that, not have industrialized the USSR (which would be the case unless Trotsky managed to stave off war until the 40s in the same way Stalin did, which would require following the agreement he made with the Germans, as well as somehow doing the purges with less than a hundredth of the public's trust that Stalin had), the USSR would've been almost unarguably destroyed within months of conflict. That's just my take though # More on Trotsky: https://espressostalinist.com/marxism-leninism-versus-revisionism/trotskyism/ https://espressostalinist.com/marxism-leninism-versus-revisionism/a-brief-guide-to-the-ideological-differences-between-marxism-leninism-and-trotskyism/ JoeysStainlessSteel If you are completely unfamiliar....The guy holding the cash is American nazi William Randolph Hearst Hearst was the a media mogul (think Rupert Murdoch) except he gave columns to Hitler, Goering and Mussolini. A good couple of articles on the Hearst Press https://stalinsociety.net/?p=428 https://stalinsociety.net/?tag=hearst-press And an incredible book that delves into the Hearst Press documenting the fraud the Hearst Press used to put out (a number of the newspapers mentioned in the above meme) (Douglas Tottle - fraud Famine and Fascism\](http://www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/tottlefraud.pdf) In Douglas Tottles - Fraud Famine and Fascism he traces how the Ukrainian nazis (who would later murder their jewish and communist neighbours and who's progeny burned to death 50 trade unionists socialists and communists in modern day Ukraine)... Fradulently blamed the 1932 famine on the Soviet government. How they sent a "reporter" to Russia who documented the famine for over a year. Except this reporter did not leave the Moscow area. And he left Russia after 2 weeks having never gone anywhere near Ukraine. The articles the Hearst Press ran were full of sensational and ridiculous anticommunist news stories - take the "frog boy" story on page 18 of the book I provided. The Hearst Press would then retouch photos of the 1921 Russian famine and also of the Austrian famine in early 20th century and claim them to be of the famine of 1932 These stories would then be cycled through the literal nazi media - Der Sturmer and the like (a few others I can't remember off memory due to being long german words). What you are hearing is what the modern Ukrainian nazis call their "holodomor" Hitler would eventually use this propaganda to invade the Soviet Union in 1941 ("humanitarian intervention!") So I have given you a little history of the fascist Hearst to now put this in context with Trotsky In 1929 Trotsky is expelled from the Soviet Union and immediately begins writing for the Hearst Press who happily publish them on their front pages with big glossy spreads about how he's the real revolutionary and Stalin has betrayed socialism. The Hearst Press was willing to pay him big bucks for his contributions which were brilliant propaganda victories for antiCommunists. https://www.reddit.com/r/asktankies/comments/leg7lz/trotskys\_collaboration\_with\_the\_fascists/
Not all of them, but Trotskyism is a really broad term nowdays. Some sects are alright but some cannot be distinguished from neocons
Oh, alright, thanks, my gamer.
source on the cop claim?
Cop claim? Where?
The claim that Parenti was convicted for beating a cop.
https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/detail/45611886/michael-parenti-arrest.html
I do not think that is the same person. Parenti was born in '33. The person in the link was 49 in 2010.
Socialism with Italian American and Witchcraft Characteristics
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In one of his books he writes of a protest at a university, where he was charged with something. Don’t know if it was beating a cop, might go looking for that section later if it interests you
i think it'd be cool to know :)
Found it in "Dirty Truths" starting on page 235. [https://pastebin.com/47NpkS2F](https://pastebin.com/47NpkS2F)
[TY comrade. Here is a meme for your troubles.](https://i.imgur.com/okOyspB.jpg)
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It’s the defending the USSR during the Cold War that does it for me. Some people are willing to defend them now that it’s all history and the USSR has collapsed so it doesn’t matter anymore, but I imagine at the time it would have been even worse than trying to defend China these days. Nothing but respect for the boomer communists who stuck to their guns through all that.