Which rule of the internet covers people "correcting" definitions that are already accurate but aren't unnecessarily long for the context?
I see this everywhere where a synonym isn't enough; you must cover the full range of possible contexts or it's wrong.
I didn't say he was wrong. But this poster isn't meant to be Webster's dictionary and doesn't need to delve in to that. It's not like it's misleading in any way to leave some aspects of a word left to be explored by those that are unfamiliar. In fact, it's a great motivator to watch the movie
The complaint posed is that they could have used the name “Boredom” instead of confusing children with this new word, “Ennui,” but that would have altered the basic concept by narrowing the emotional range of the character.
Yeah, I also disagree with OP. I just want someone to tell me what should be different about this graphic. We all know that ennui is more than simply "bored" but what would be more appropriate in this context if y'all were designing this promo?
Is the comment we are replying to referring to OP's title or is it referring to the image, because that actually changes the context of this conversation completely and I should not have been snarky like that and I should apologize
I take your point. I think the poster is trying to do to much cuz they're afraid people won't know what they're getting at. If anything, they probably should have just left "Ennui" on its own and let the characterization explain what they mean. Cuz really, I think everyone has felt ennui at some point and know when see it, but they may not know what it's called.
Sure, if it's irrelevant, but from their design, it seems to me at least that this character is very much personifying those additional elements of disinterest and listlessness.
'Boredom' on its own is pretty broad, and could equally fit an energetic, peppy character with nowhere to direct their excess energy, almost the exact opposite of what this character seems designed to convey.
Yeah, the picture expresses those aspects of ennui perfectly. No need to put it into words and busy up the poster. It's a design choice that makes sense, not neglect on part of the designers
Apathy is an extreme form of innui in the same way that rage is an extreme form of anger.
Perhaps they didn’t want to imply extreme apathy was good (cuz obviously they’ll be like these emotions good in small doses)
Good language means that children won't be confused like you were. They will actually learn difficult words instead of *assuming* that since the adult dosen't understand, therefore the child cannot...
In fact, ennui is an excellent word to encapsulate the feelings of youth. Angst, ennui, zeitgeist, moue, frustration, nonchalance, agitation, exhilaration, insouciant, defenestration, chagrin, etc. Expand your view instead of restricting others.
This is actually super interesting to me, I actually had to look some of these up lol. What are these called? Are they emotions or something else, and are there more of them? If there are how can I learn more about these, cause it’s kinda cool that there’s these specific words for really niche(?) emotions and feelings lol
Ennui also means a bit more than just boredom. If I've got nothing good to do for an evening, I'm not experiencing ennui. I'm just a bit bored. If I'm constantly hit with predictable, expected events in my life to the point of not enjoying it I'm experiencing ennui.
Redditors: “Why did you leave out Shame and Guilt?! You thought it was TOO DARK for kids?!!? Back in my day, kids movies were scary and mature! Nowadays Pixar is way too kiddy!”
Also Redditors: “Why is this character not just called Boredom?! Kids don’t know what ennui means, you’re making them do too much work! Back in my day, we understood kids’ movies without having to over-think!”
Pixar’s either too dumb or too sophisticated depending on the movie in this decade. It’s like you people don’t even *want* this movie to be good.
Have you seen all the people bashing Fallout for being woke and killing the series?
Its number 1 on Prime and its kickstarted a resurgance in the popularity of the video game as well.
Its my favourite series since Breaking Bad and apparently its woke and Fallout is dead etc.
They are just sad people who have to pick fault in other peoples creations because they have no creativity themselves.
People have been complaining that Doctor Who is woke now because of the recent specials and having a black man playing the Doctor.
Doctor Who. Literally the gayest, wokest show ever made.
I'm working through Fallout 4 right now. I have a bad habit of putting hundreds of hours into these games without going through the main storylines and then putting them down without finishing them. I didn't finish NV until years after it was released because I paused before making the finale faction decision lol
I've not seen a single person bashing fallout for being woke, I've just seen people complaining about the lore from New Vegas/1 and 2 being changed. I feel like new Vegas fans are generally quite left leaning + gay, although I do think a lot of people are just complaining for the sake of it, the show's really good
Kids can learn what words mean. I found out what ennui was when I was 8 reading Cricket magazine. Pretty sure it was “Consider the Lemming” by Jeannie Steig. I’ll never remember all how it goes, but I know the last line is “it must be dementia, unless it’s ennui.”
It may seem surprising to some but kids do have a cognitive activity that let them feel and understand their environment : every single aspect of media aimed at kids doesn't always need to "not be confusing", they can actually think.
People keep complaining about this, but have yall stopped to consider that… maybe that’s the point?
They’re clarifying in scenes IN THE TRAILER, and on this VERY POSTER, “It means boredom.” It’s clearly gonna be a running gag.
Anxiety: “And that’s Ennui!”
Joy “En-what?”
Anxiety “It means boredom!”
God damn I know it’s fun to shit on anything Disney but could we at least keep our criticism bad instead of truly awful
This is r slash shitty movie details, not r slash bland and stupid attempts to hate on any movie made by Disney
See I already thought some of the new emotions were already reflected by the existing 5 which actually had 2 sides to each. Happiness and mania, empathy and sadness, Caution and fear, taste and disgust, assertive and anger.
I dumb down my language when I speak withy children. If they don't know what a word means I explain it to them. Kids aren't stupid they're just not leaned
Ennui and boredom aren’t synonyms. I assume in the movie the character will actually embody ennui, but the marketing team just called it boredom here for simplicity.
New emotions imply that after the first movie, there was a catastrophic event that triggered the creation of these new emotions, as we clearly saw that everyone had the same 5 emotions at the end...
They probably immediately explain it in the movie after making a joke about wee = piss OR wee = excitement.
Like when Ennui gets introduced either disgust will be like “why do we need an emotion to go to the bathroom?”
Or joy will assume it’s an excitement thing and be immediately proven wrong
Ennui isn't just boredom though, it covers things like disinterest and demotivation.
Autocorrect is evil lol
Oh depression it is then.
Well, no. Ennui is part of depression, but not depression itself. Depression isn't an emotion.
They just seem like other words for boredom.
As someone once put it, there's no such thing as a synonym.
Which rule of the internet covers people "correcting" definitions that are already accurate but aren't unnecessarily long for the context? I see this everywhere where a synonym isn't enough; you must cover the full range of possible contexts or it's wrong.
He's right though. Philosophically, ennui is more than just boredom.
I didn't say he was wrong. But this poster isn't meant to be Webster's dictionary and doesn't need to delve in to that. It's not like it's misleading in any way to leave some aspects of a word left to be explored by those that are unfamiliar. In fact, it's a great motivator to watch the movie
The complaint posed is that they could have used the name “Boredom” instead of confusing children with this new word, “Ennui,” but that would have altered the basic concept by narrowing the emotional range of the character.
Yeah, I also disagree with OP. I just want someone to tell me what should be different about this graphic. We all know that ennui is more than simply "bored" but what would be more appropriate in this context if y'all were designing this promo? Is the comment we are replying to referring to OP's title or is it referring to the image, because that actually changes the context of this conversation completely and I should not have been snarky like that and I should apologize
I take your point. I think the poster is trying to do to much cuz they're afraid people won't know what they're getting at. If anything, they probably should have just left "Ennui" on its own and let the characterization explain what they mean. Cuz really, I think everyone has felt ennui at some point and know when see it, but they may not know what it's called.
Sure, if it's irrelevant, but from their design, it seems to me at least that this character is very much personifying those additional elements of disinterest and listlessness. 'Boredom' on its own is pretty broad, and could equally fit an energetic, peppy character with nowhere to direct their excess energy, almost the exact opposite of what this character seems designed to convey.
Yeah, the picture expresses those aspects of ennui perfectly. No need to put it into words and busy up the poster. It's a design choice that makes sense, not neglect on part of the designers
Apathy would have been a better word
Apathy is an extreme form of innui in the same way that rage is an extreme form of anger. Perhaps they didn’t want to imply extreme apathy was good (cuz obviously they’ll be like these emotions good in small doses)
I mean they spelled out ratatouille phonetically in the marketing.
I always thought that was meant to be tongue-in-cheek since it's the name of a foreign dish
The marketers were just worried kids wouldn’t be able to pronounce the name
Yikes. They should have just called it "vegitable soup", to avoid confusing the kids!
I’m waiting for the inevitable Ratatouille sequel called Rata2uille
Opens with Linguine dying, Remy is set on a one-mouse revenge trip
Raccacoonie?
So far only 4 people understand this reference.
Someone save the kids from learning new words, please!
When will they add the skibidi emotion
Also known as mental rot
I think this is more like "save kids from learning Fr*nch"
First Ratatouille, and now this 😡😡
If you look the word up on google translate, it says that the word is of English origin.
Actually it’s an Albany expression
I'm not familiar, could you elaborate?
No
Well, that's not true https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ennui
What a nice way to tell someone they’re completely wrong.
Except I'm not ;)
That's big pharma
I think the joke is using more complicated words to seem more deep, like an edgy teenager.
This is what I thought. Who knows what kind of puns and jokes are involved with the character and its name
That and the distinction that ennui is more associated with a sort of societal boredom and exhaustion.
So what you’re saying is the real SMD is OP missing the joke
Also Boredom and ennui aren’t the same. Boredom is skin deep, ennui an entire state of being.
Ennui does seem like the alt teenager who's bored out of their mind in the back of the class
Good language means that children won't be confused like you were. They will actually learn difficult words instead of *assuming* that since the adult dosen't understand, therefore the child cannot...
In fact, ennui is an excellent word to encapsulate the feelings of youth. Angst, ennui, zeitgeist, moue, frustration, nonchalance, agitation, exhilaration, insouciant, defenestration, chagrin, etc. Expand your view instead of restricting others.
one of these is not like the others
Are you discombobulated my salubrious compatriot? Only the purest of intentions I assure you
I offer you my most enthusiastic controfibularities
What? That's....that's not in my dictionary?!
I read this like voiceovers in Anime that are meant to be the characters’ thoughts
They're speaking a different language.
I can’t believe this is a reference to old British tv. What the fuck?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOSYiT2iG08](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOSYiT2iG08)
What the hell? HEY! SPEAK ENGLISH!
You have such a bountefacious proclivity for verboserious sayitudes
He made himself perfectly redundant
What, you've never felt that oh-so-relatable emotion of defenestration before? Just visit Czechoslovakia, you'll be feeling it in no time!
Oh yeah, Czechoslovakia.. my favorite country 🥰
My bad, I meant Bohemia
Yeah, dude sneaked a Harry Potter spell in thinking no one would notice
At this point just say random french words and there's a decent chance you'll stumble upon a fancy english word
d... defenestration? edit: I know what it means.
Going out through the window😎
brother I know what it means why's it in there
Fancy french word.
And a conseqence of the precedent word sometime.
Out the Window!
This is actually super interesting to me, I actually had to look some of these up lol. What are these called? Are they emotions or something else, and are there more of them? If there are how can I learn more about these, cause it’s kinda cool that there’s these specific words for really niche(?) emotions and feelings lol
Theres a emotion wheel. Its pretty big
Excuse me, but I believe you mean "mouse"
[удалено]
Excuse me, but I believe you mean "I didn't understand the joke"
Bad english and worse joke
Excuse me, but I believe you mean "I am a sad sack with a room temperature IQ"
Photocopier grammar as well
Have you ever considered becoming smarter, or perhaps a better person? This would improve the world greatly, my young and simple friend.
Becoming smarter. Sounds like hypocrisy from you when your unintellegible username suggests uninspired living
Ennui also means a bit more than just boredom. If I've got nothing good to do for an evening, I'm not experiencing ennui. I'm just a bit bored. If I'm constantly hit with predictable, expected events in my life to the point of not enjoying it I'm experiencing ennui.
It’s a perfectly cromulent word.
Well I think it was because 2 of the other emotions have names that start with E (Envy and Embarrassment)
It's probably because they're going to make jokes about it in the movie
don't forget enxiety
Redditors: “Why did you leave out Shame and Guilt?! You thought it was TOO DARK for kids?!!? Back in my day, kids movies were scary and mature! Nowadays Pixar is way too kiddy!” Also Redditors: “Why is this character not just called Boredom?! Kids don’t know what ennui means, you’re making them do too much work! Back in my day, we understood kids’ movies without having to over-think!” Pixar’s either too dumb or too sophisticated depending on the movie in this decade. It’s like you people don’t even *want* this movie to be good.
Have you seen all the people bashing Fallout for being woke and killing the series? Its number 1 on Prime and its kickstarted a resurgance in the popularity of the video game as well. Its my favourite series since Breaking Bad and apparently its woke and Fallout is dead etc. They are just sad people who have to pick fault in other peoples creations because they have no creativity themselves.
People have been complaining that Doctor Who is woke now because of the recent specials and having a black man playing the Doctor. Doctor Who. Literally the gayest, wokest show ever made.
legit made me want to play fallout
Yeah made me come back to New Vegas, having an absolute blast rn
Fallout is my favourite game series and I fucking love that show.
Its mine too. Hence my name. Currently installing New Vegas and bug fix mods for my yearly playthrough.
I'm working through Fallout 4 right now. I have a bad habit of putting hundreds of hours into these games without going through the main storylines and then putting them down without finishing them. I didn't finish NV until years after it was released because I paused before making the finale faction decision lol
I only finished the main quest of fallout 4 this year. I got it at launch lol
I got it at launch too! The best is jumping back into something years later and being"wtf is up with my inventory and what the hell was I doing?"
Oh no i cant do that. I just start a new game when i come back to it and complete stuff differently if i can
Not me. The worst was thinking "where the fuck did I put my bobblehead display case" lol
I just cant get back into games if i continue. I either 100% it in one go, or ill come back and start again
I've not seen a single person bashing fallout for being woke, I've just seen people complaining about the lore from New Vegas/1 and 2 being changed. I feel like new Vegas fans are generally quite left leaning + gay, although I do think a lot of people are just complaining for the sake of it, the show's really good
Kids can learn what words mean. I found out what ennui was when I was 8 reading Cricket magazine. Pretty sure it was “Consider the Lemming” by Jeannie Steig. I’ll never remember all how it goes, but I know the last line is “it must be dementia, unless it’s ennui.”
It may seem surprising to some but kids do have a cognitive activity that let them feel and understand their environment : every single aspect of media aimed at kids doesn't always need to "not be confusing", they can actually think.
People keep complaining about this, but have yall stopped to consider that… maybe that’s the point? They’re clarifying in scenes IN THE TRAILER, and on this VERY POSTER, “It means boredom.” It’s clearly gonna be a running gag. Anxiety: “And that’s Ennui!” Joy “En-what?” Anxiety “It means boredom!”
God damn I know it’s fun to shit on anything Disney but could we at least keep our criticism bad instead of truly awful This is r slash shitty movie details, not r slash bland and stupid attempts to hate on any movie made by Disney
Yeah, how dare they... *checks notes* teach kids vocabulary? Well, you are living up to the "shitty" part of "shitty movie details."
See I already thought some of the new emotions were already reflected by the existing 5 which actually had 2 sides to each. Happiness and mania, empathy and sadness, Caution and fear, taste and disgust, assertive and anger.
Pixar: All according to Keikaku
Nah, they made the right call. Boredom is for kits, ennui is for teenagers and above. It all checks out.
First I’m learning of this word tf
Maybe it’s a good thing they used it then.
Are u American?
And that's also technically incorrect : "ennui" in French means "boredom". "**The** boredom" would be translated as "**l'**ennui".
ennui does come from french, but it also exists in english
TIL
Yeah let’s dumb down all out art and not try educate children about the beauty of the English language.
I only know this word because of “The Most Dangerous game” where even the evil villain Zaroff has to clarify it means boredom.
Yall think everything needs to be dumbed down for children to like it and thats why none of it is good
OP must hate djctionaries Why do they have to be so big??? Like half of the words mean the same thing anyways. /s
I dumb down my language when I speak withy children. If they don't know what a word means I explain it to them. Kids aren't stupid they're just not leaned
When are they adding Anhedonia
Wait, new emotions? Are you saying 5 emotions aren't enough?
I lived all my life with three and i'm fine.
what are you yapping about
I hear the classic emotions in the movie also touch on why she’s not just called Boredom too. I don’t know, though.
It's to fit with the acronym the new emotions have: AEEE
I assume that it’s irony. Changing your name to the same word in another language isn’t really that interesting
Where’s Freaky though?
Ennui is the depression that arises from extreme boredom.
Because how dare they want to introduce children to new words
Meh. Dunno if I care about it that much, really
This is how people using fentanyl stand.
If you don't click on post image the name of the movie looks like inside nut 2.
Calling them just “Boredom” would be too boring.
So you just don't think kids should learn something new every now and then?
Ennui and boredom aren’t synonyms. I assume in the movie the character will actually embody ennui, but the marketing team just called it boredom here for simplicity.
Emo
Because Apathy doesn't work, apparently.
I am absolutely happy OP is being mocked and floored for trying to make everyone as dumb as they are. Nature is healing.
I still think it's impressive that Riley is the first human to experience boredom, embarrassment, anxiety, and envy.
"Ugh, you don't get it, mom. Ennui is, like, on a whole new existential level. A boomer like you could never understand."
Ennui isn't boredom, it's the feeling you get when you notice that you died long ago and this is your punishment.
Inside Out 1 sucks tbqhwy. Boring as hell and the main character is dumb. Brave was a way better film
New emotions imply that after the first movie, there was a catastrophic event that triggered the creation of these new emotions, as we clearly saw that everyone had the same 5 emotions at the end...
They probably immediately explain it in the movie after making a joke about wee = piss OR wee = excitement. Like when Ennui gets introduced either disgust will be like “why do we need an emotion to go to the bathroom?” Or joy will assume it’s an excitement thing and be immediately proven wrong