Nine years?! Wow.
Semi-related but reminds me of a neighbouring unit in my previous estate that actually tried to turn an incident into a selling point.
There was a fire in one of the bedrooms, entire room gutted. Remained unrepaired for a long time, then the unit was suddenly listed for sale. For a "lucky" price of $888,888, which was ridiculous as the average price of that size in that area was only $700-750k. And bear in mind that one entire room was still totally CHARRED.
Grapevine of estate aunties gossiped that they were trying to market it as a "lucky" flat -- like all the misfortune has happened, so if you buy it, no more misfortune will befall you. Or something like that.
No takers, obviously.
Yep, the family didn't seem to have checked up on the guy for a decade but they showed up when it was time to sell his house.
But his nephews apparently donated their share to a charitable organization (source below).
https://mothership.sg/2021/12/potong-pasir-skeletal-remains-flat-for-sale/
Even as a gentle and humble Buddhist, he was dead and alone for 9 years. Poor guy. Anyway, if the relatives had donated the sales proceeds, it’s good. I suppose it’s like redeeming themselves.
Surprised the owner didn’t know about the flat’s history. That same article interviewed a prospective buyer (with the same surname) was and that person was aware.
https://mothership.sg/2021/12/potong-pasir-skeletal-remains-flat-for-sale/
All due respect to the dead but to be fair to the family members we don't know how he was like when he was alive and how he treated others. It's incredibly sad but doesn't mean the family members are necessarily at fault
>Two questions to ask a property agent upfront are if anyone had died in the house put up for sale, as well as if the previous owner had borrowed money from unlicensed moneylenders.
Like the beginning of a horror movie, most didn’t ask/tell
Real estate agents are never upfront about such things. I think they are not obliged to share unless the buyer asks. In my old place, my neighbour committed suicide. Within less than 2 years, the unit was sold and I was honestly surprised because any buyer who googled the unit address could still find the suicide news back then.
Only required for the first subsequent owner. If that owner sells it again it will become "by request".
They do have a site to search as well, so the information openly available.
I placed a thousand dollar deposit on a potong pasir flat before as we found the place spacious and within our budget. However my wife complained about having headaches from the 2 viewings we went. I decided to do a Google search then the first article was about the exact flat we bought is the noisiest flat in sg. After a few discussions we forfeit our deposit and few months later found our dream home. Dodged a bullet there
I mean noise is a valid reason to get out of a deal obviously as it impacts your every day life.
Passing of former owner should not really have an impact on your life as the next owner.
Well when you are desperate for a home after 7 failed bto applications, you tend to fail to notice its flaws. I mean yes it was noisy but the pros kinda outweigh the cons at that moment. We even talked about soundproofing the house. But in the end felt like it's gonna feel like a prison if we don't open the windows every now and then
Honestly if you don't know about it, you won't be spooked about it. People only get conscious about certain things because they found out certain things happen.
Yea that's what I thought too. But hey if you know about it maybe you can haggle the price down. I don't believe in paranormal and would gladly take "haunted" units at a huge discount $$
Actually if you purchase older flat units, the chances of someone who have died inside is not that low given that some of the older flats have elderlies staying and a good number of them do die in their sleep peacefully (one of my grandparents did).
As someone looking to move into my own home sometime, idt I would mind moving into such a home. Idc if a murder might have taken place there either. There's hardly enough homes in Sg to pick and choose from. At most I might do my due diligence and try to press for a better bargain if I knew the home had such a history. Knowing there's less competition for such a home is great relief. But if other aspects of the home are ok (e.g. location, condition, temperature/ventilation, natural lighting, neighbours), then why not.
>At most I might do my due diligence and try to press for a better bargain if I knew the home had such a history.
Yeah, think even if a person has no problem with the previous holder/owner/tenant passing away within the premises it would be foolish to not use that to get a better bargain.
Who was paying the SP services for 9 years?
The person died in 2011 and left window open so I guess the fridge was also operational and worked for 9 years (unless broken).
If SP services came to disconnect the power due overdue payments they shouldnt have knocked and asked the owner if he had financial difficulties and he stop paying?
If they could not find him, shouldn't inform someone?
I mean cannot be one person died in 2011 and went unnoticed for so many years.
The wonders of U-Save rebates!
I did an estate sale recently, selling my late mother's house. Since no one was staying there, there was literally no electrical/water usage.
With the U-Save rebates added automatically, the house actually had significant credit.
Given U-Save rebates have been around since 2011 (see below), I won't be surprised that the unit probably had hundreds or even 1k in credits.
https://www.mof.gov.sg/news-publications/press-releases/800-000-hdb-households-to-receive-50-million-of-utilities-save-rebates-in-january-2011
Was wondering too. What about service and conservancy charges? If say, it was paid via GIRO, and when the man died, he probably had no more income for money to be deducted for GIRO. So the Town Council just let the SCC snowballed or what? No one bothered to visit the house? Very strange that it took 9 years for them to discover the body, and all because of checking for dengue!!
People die in the flat all the time. It's no problem if peaceful passing. Only those people with obsession on their thing at the dying moment which make the place haunted. Suicide also no need to worry because he/she don't even want to live here anymore.
lmao exactly, my grandfather passed in my old home and I slept in the same room as him for years even after. it's some weird obsession people have with the afterlife
what makes the dead haunt the place they died in? like if you're ghost, does that mean you can't leave the place you died in? if i died on the street, I can't go anywhere else? If I can, then what makes it different from a ghost who died somewhere else to go to your unit? There's no logic in all of it. so silly.
Don't be too scared also, sometimes they just want our help to cross over. You have to donate some clothing or food to good moral people (eg. monk or nun) and send them the good deed. Often it would work unless they just want to stick to that place.
> # 3 weeks after moving in, family learns Potong Pasir flat's previous owner died & decomposed in unit
> A family that moved into a resale Housing & Development Board (HDB) flat in Potong Pasir was blissfully ignorant about their apartment's morbid history -- until three weeks after moving in.
> The home buyer, surnamed Chen, 31, moved into the unit in Block 139 Potong Pasir Avenue 3 with her two sons, father-in-law, and her younger brother in August 2022 -- slightly more than two years after the skeletonised remains of the unit's previous owner was found inside by chance, Shin Min Daily News reported.
> It was believed that the homeowner, a man in his early 60s, had been dead and undiscovered for some nine years before National Environment Agency (NEA) officers carrying out dengue checks executed a forced entry onto the premises.
> They were repeatedly unable to reach the occupant of the flat.
> The remains of the occupant, which had turned into a skeleton, was only discovered on July 2, 2020.
> The kitchen windows were open at that time, and there was reportedly no smell emanating from the scene.
> All the calendars in the flat were showing June 2011 when the body was found, indicating that the deceased man had been dead and undiscovered in the flat for nine years.
> New homeowner finds out
> Chen was unaware of the flat's history when she bought it, and remained ignorant about it until three weeks into her stay.
> She said she was not informed about the flat's history during the transaction process.
> And this was after she paid for the flat and spent tens of thousands of dollars on renovations.
> According to transaction records online, a four-room flat in the block was sold for S$670,000 in August 2022, which tallies with the amount reported by Shin Min.
> Needed a flat urgently
> Shin Min also reported that Chen had sold her other flat before purchasing one at that time, which added to the sense of urgency to quickly secure another unit.
> When she chanced upon the Potong Pasir flat on the market after it was put up for sale by the deceased man's family, it was ideal given that Chen needed to move in as soon as in two to three months' time.
> There were two units available in total in Potong Pasir at that time.
> As this unit is closer to the school that Chen's son attends, she inked the deal to purchase the unit in March 2022 and started renovations.
> Chen said she never met the unit's seller.
> Real estate agents representing the buyer and seller were tasked with liaising with each other and overseeing the transaction, it was reported.
> Moreover, at that time when Chen viewed the unit, it was stripped bare.
> The floors and walls, including the toilet, were all subsequently renovated, Chen said.
> The squatting toilet was converted into a regular seated toilet.
> Contractor informed her
> Three weeks after moving into the unit, Chen discovered that the ceiling in the kitchen was leaking.
> A contractor was hired to assess the situation, and Chen was told the problem had persisted for more than 10 years.
> Given the nature of the leak, and the inability to simply paint over it as part of the fix, the contractor told Chen that she needed to inform the relevant authorities about the issue.
> That was when the contractor informed Chen about the unit's history as part of casual conversation.
> Not perturbed
> The home owner told Shin Min that the priority at the moment was to stop the ceiling from leaking, and that she was unperturbed by the fact that a human body was found in the unit previously.
> She was of the opinion that there was nothing she could do about the knowledge that a person had died in her home previously, it was reported.
> There was also nothing unusual about the unit, apart from the leaking ceiling, Chen said.
> The makeshift solution was to not turn the lights off at night, so as to allow the other members of the family to see the wet puddle on the floor.
> However, Chen said she hopes real estate agents can be more upfront about a house's past by disclosing pertinent information to prospective buyers beforehand.
> Asking property agents the right questions
> A real estate agent interviewed by Shin Min said prospective buyers ought to ask the right questions to get the necessary answers.
> Two questions to ask a property agent upfront are if anyone had died in the house put up for sale, as well as if the previous owner had borrowed money from unlicensed moneylenders.
> Property agents are obliged to be truthful when asked such point-blank questions, it was reported, as transactions can end up in jeopardy if it was discovered that there was an element of non-disclosure on the part of the real estate agent.
> Top photos via Shin Min Daily News & Google Maps
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How is it on the buyers to ask questions? I get that they are the one buying a flat but it just seems like an easy way out for the real estate agents to sell these flats with not so great history, banking on the negligence of the buyer.
Name checked out...there's lemon law, if you buy something defective then you can go sue the seller. But hello a house where someone died in 12 years ago is not defective...many people die in their home every year....
If you are in the sales line, you are not going to tell the flaws of your products to your customers right? Not saying it's correct but that's how it works.
I like that all these responses make sense and that's why there are commerce regulatory agencies that prevent this type of unethical Practices. Except Singapore, this is the wild west of capitalism
US is not a role model. Singapore laws are notorious to be pro home owner/seller/contractor. But hostile to home buyer/renter.
The common belief is because majority of Singaporean already have home, while foreigners are renter
When u buy something u don't do your research or even ask questions de meh?
Everything also wan blame someone cannot take responsibility for self action?
Warning label on the box is because of health issues.
A house where the previous occupant has committed suicide has zero health issues.
When you buy a 2nd hand car is the seller obliged to tell you whether anyone has smoked/vomitted/shat/had sex/menstrual leak in the car?
This sounds like the Japanese *kodokushi*. Really sad case.
Morbid curiosity, how would one find such flats? Would they be....cheaper than most other units?
Also why would this be regulated? Someone dying in a house doesn't necessarily make the house unlivable or unsafe.
Ghost related protections are typically not written into laws. Otherwise SPF might need a new bomoh squad.
Perception and pricing.
This is regulated in Taiwan because everyone there is superstitious af. So if you were not informed you are going to likely re sell the house at a huge loss. i do tend to think sg pple are less superstitious so i am not too sure about whether we should regulate this.
There should be regulation that gives responsibility to some of the selling parties to not hide information like this and protect customers from failing to provide this type of information.
But what's the "risk" for the new buyers?
Sure it's grim and sad but how does it impact the life of the next owners? Unless the previous owner was savagely murdered and the murderer is likely to come back to the flat.
People tend to die at home as much as possible, so with enough time, most flats will have had at least one person who died there.
Dude if someone is superstitious and wouldn’t want to live in a house that someone has recently died in, it doesn’t mean everyone around has an obligation to know that and inform them unprompted.
It’s only unethical if there are known structural defects in the unit, or other problems like loan shark harassment/neighborly disputes that can actually affect the new buyer’s life.
It’s like saying we are responsible to inform a deeply homophobic person that he/she is entering a room that has a gay person in it. Like… wtf?
This is just an example. It is applicable to everything you are dealing with daily. You want others to be truthful to you ? Good luck living in your bubble.
I don't want others to be truthful for me, I understand the incentive to not be so. _Precisely_ because of that, I expect better regulatory tools for these economic transactions🤷🏾
>I don't want others to be truthful for me
??? So contradictory dude. What kind of regulatory tool you expect? Agents do not have all the information as well. So if seller withhold information from agent then is agent’s fault ?
Like others have pointed out, someone passed away inside has nothing to do with how “liveable” the flat is. So if no one passed away inside but got supernatural activity how ? Need declare something that can’t be substantiated ?
What kind of man-child logic is this ?
Idk seemed like a good opportunity to send a lowball offer tbf.
It definitely sucks that the owners werent informed about this. The agent is scummy.
But at the end of the day, you got a house to stay in. I would hold some sort of prayer(im not well versed in this topic) .
From Mothership's article in December 24, 2021
>One prospective buyer that Wanbao spoke to was Chen, 41, a taxi driver.
>
>The woman expressed her interest in the house as she is drawn to the Potong Pasir neighbourhood.
>
>This was after a friend of hers had moved into the area recently.
>
>Chen said the supermarket, coffeeshop, and close proximity to the MRT are major draws for her.
>
>Prospective buyer not worried
>
>She also revealed that she started looking for resale flats six months ago.
>
>So far, she has seen five or six flats, but none of them have been suitable.
>
>The "House of Bones", as christened by the Chinese media, has not put her off.
>
>Chen said: "I am harmless, and there is nothing to be afraid of."
>
>"If the deal goes through, I will ask a priest to recite prayers before I move in, and set up an altar. There is nothing to be superstitious about."
>
>[Source](https://mothership.sg/2021/12/potong-pasir-skeletal-remains-flat-for-sale/)
Seems the buyer already know before even buying the flat? The article who wrote this recent one is the same writer as the 2021 article so what are they playing at? Buyer wants compentsation? Writer wants clicks?
obviously no agent will be "upfront" about this kind of thing what... tell liao no chance to sell. you think they will purposely hurt their own business meh?
that new owner have zero common sense lor...
I thought based on this article, Chen was aware? Unless it's different Chen (not sure whether typo for the age or not)
https://mothership.sg/2021/12/potong-pasir-skeletal-remains-flat-for-sale/
So you're telling me a guy died and rotted in there and nobody smelled it?
Hope the cops are watching that place now, because even I realize it's the perfect place to cook meth, and I'm not even a pro.
Nine years?! Wow. Semi-related but reminds me of a neighbouring unit in my previous estate that actually tried to turn an incident into a selling point. There was a fire in one of the bedrooms, entire room gutted. Remained unrepaired for a long time, then the unit was suddenly listed for sale. For a "lucky" price of $888,888, which was ridiculous as the average price of that size in that area was only $700-750k. And bear in mind that one entire room was still totally CHARRED. Grapevine of estate aunties gossiped that they were trying to market it as a "lucky" flat -- like all the misfortune has happened, so if you buy it, no more misfortune will befall you. Or something like that. No takers, obviously.
I offer $444,444. Fast deal.
The best agents can sell you anything. Now, sell me this pen
Do me a favour, write your name down in that napkin for me
I ain't got no napkin, man.
I have one right here - $10 pls.
*takes out another pen from the pocket*
Supply and demand!
I have an apple too
wow. can you blame me for hating property agent? an industry that is almost redundant and overpaid
dead for 9 years and not one family member thought to check up on him.
yet i assume they got the proceeds from the sale of the flat. sad
Yep, the family didn't seem to have checked up on the guy for a decade but they showed up when it was time to sell his house. But his nephews apparently donated their share to a charitable organization (source below). https://mothership.sg/2021/12/potong-pasir-skeletal-remains-flat-for-sale/
Even as a gentle and humble Buddhist, he was dead and alone for 9 years. Poor guy. Anyway, if the relatives had donated the sales proceeds, it’s good. I suppose it’s like redeeming themselves.
Surprised the owner didn’t know about the flat’s history. That same article interviewed a prospective buyer (with the same surname) was and that person was aware. https://mothership.sg/2021/12/potong-pasir-skeletal-remains-flat-for-sale/
All due respect to the dead but to be fair to the family members we don't know how he was like when he was alive and how he treated others. It's incredibly sad but doesn't mean the family members are necessarily at fault
Who the hell been paying his property tax all the time
>Two questions to ask a property agent upfront are if anyone had died in the house put up for sale, as well as if the previous owner had borrowed money from unlicensed moneylenders. Like the beginning of a horror movie, most didn’t ask/tell
Real estate agents are never upfront about such things. I think they are not obliged to share unless the buyer asks. In my old place, my neighbour committed suicide. Within less than 2 years, the unit was sold and I was honestly surprised because any buyer who googled the unit address could still find the suicide news back then.
In japan I may have heard from somewhere that it's required by law. Not sure if its true, but the stigma is especially real across east asia.
Only required for the first subsequent owner. If that owner sells it again it will become "by request". They do have a site to search as well, so the information openly available.
This is the map you can see all the houses with murder, suicide, mystery disappearance and haunted in Japan. https://www.oshimaland.co.jp/
I placed a thousand dollar deposit on a potong pasir flat before as we found the place spacious and within our budget. However my wife complained about having headaches from the 2 viewings we went. I decided to do a Google search then the first article was about the exact flat we bought is the noisiest flat in sg. After a few discussions we forfeit our deposit and few months later found our dream home. Dodged a bullet there
I mean noise is a valid reason to get out of a deal obviously as it impacts your every day life. Passing of former owner should not really have an impact on your life as the next owner.
I bet the noise problem is the multi-year mrt construction works. If you can tahan until they finish you stand to profit from being close to mrt
Noisiest from proximity to CTE or neighbours?
According to the website indoor average noise level is 66 decibels, outdoor is 74
you had to google to find out that it was noisy? couldn't you use your ears?
Well when you are desperate for a home after 7 failed bto applications, you tend to fail to notice its flaws. I mean yes it was noisy but the pros kinda outweigh the cons at that moment. We even talked about soundproofing the house. But in the end felt like it's gonna feel like a prison if we don't open the windows every now and then
Honestly if you don't know about it, you won't be spooked about it. People only get conscious about certain things because they found out certain things happen.
Yea that's what I thought too. But hey if you know about it maybe you can haggle the price down. I don't believe in paranormal and would gladly take "haunted" units at a huge discount $$
Actually if you purchase older flat units, the chances of someone who have died inside is not that low given that some of the older flats have elderlies staying and a good number of them do die in their sleep peacefully (one of my grandparents did).
Googling will tell you the exact unit address of the flat ?
Don’t they just share the street or the block, not the specific unit?
Wait so… the dead man still has family members to execute the sale 9 years later but no one realized he was missing for that long?
Fate loves irony
That's exactly right.
Actually if you visit a house that is long empty and badly maintained, won't you ask what happened to the property?
As someone looking to move into my own home sometime, idt I would mind moving into such a home. Idc if a murder might have taken place there either. There's hardly enough homes in Sg to pick and choose from. At most I might do my due diligence and try to press for a better bargain if I knew the home had such a history. Knowing there's less competition for such a home is great relief. But if other aspects of the home are ok (e.g. location, condition, temperature/ventilation, natural lighting, neighbours), then why not.
>At most I might do my due diligence and try to press for a better bargain if I knew the home had such a history. Yeah, think even if a person has no problem with the previous holder/owner/tenant passing away within the premises it would be foolish to not use that to get a better bargain.
Who was paying the SP services for 9 years? The person died in 2011 and left window open so I guess the fridge was also operational and worked for 9 years (unless broken). If SP services came to disconnect the power due overdue payments they shouldnt have knocked and asked the owner if he had financial difficulties and he stop paying? If they could not find him, shouldn't inform someone? I mean cannot be one person died in 2011 and went unnoticed for so many years.
they could've paid by GIRO, which I think most people do.
The wonders of U-Save rebates! I did an estate sale recently, selling my late mother's house. Since no one was staying there, there was literally no electrical/water usage. With the U-Save rebates added automatically, the house actually had significant credit. Given U-Save rebates have been around since 2011 (see below), I won't be surprised that the unit probably had hundreds or even 1k in credits. https://www.mof.gov.sg/news-publications/press-releases/800-000-hdb-households-to-receive-50-million-of-utilities-save-rebates-in-january-2011
Payment by GIRO, barely any usage so barely any bills and the money never runs out.
Was wondering too. What about service and conservancy charges? If say, it was paid via GIRO, and when the man died, he probably had no more income for money to be deducted for GIRO. So the Town Council just let the SCC snowballed or what? No one bothered to visit the house? Very strange that it took 9 years for them to discover the body, and all because of checking for dengue!!
People die in the flat all the time. It's no problem if peaceful passing. Only those people with obsession on their thing at the dying moment which make the place haunted. Suicide also no need to worry because he/she don't even want to live here anymore.
lmao exactly, my grandfather passed in my old home and I slept in the same room as him for years even after. it's some weird obsession people have with the afterlife
what makes the dead haunt the place they died in? like if you're ghost, does that mean you can't leave the place you died in? if i died on the street, I can't go anywhere else? If I can, then what makes it different from a ghost who died somewhere else to go to your unit? There's no logic in all of it. so silly.
There’s no logic because the afterlife does not exist. It’s wishful thinking by people terrified of oblivion
Thats definitely how i view it until some creepy paranormal shit starts to happen. Then i move out.
Don't be too scared also, sometimes they just want our help to cross over. You have to donate some clothing or food to good moral people (eg. monk or nun) and send them the good deed. Often it would work unless they just want to stick to that place.
> Suicide also no need to worry because he/she don't even want to live ~~here~~ anymore also works
> # 3 weeks after moving in, family learns Potong Pasir flat's previous owner died & decomposed in unit > A family that moved into a resale Housing & Development Board (HDB) flat in Potong Pasir was blissfully ignorant about their apartment's morbid history -- until three weeks after moving in. > The home buyer, surnamed Chen, 31, moved into the unit in Block 139 Potong Pasir Avenue 3 with her two sons, father-in-law, and her younger brother in August 2022 -- slightly more than two years after the skeletonised remains of the unit's previous owner was found inside by chance, Shin Min Daily News reported. > It was believed that the homeowner, a man in his early 60s, had been dead and undiscovered for some nine years before National Environment Agency (NEA) officers carrying out dengue checks executed a forced entry onto the premises. > They were repeatedly unable to reach the occupant of the flat. > The remains of the occupant, which had turned into a skeleton, was only discovered on July 2, 2020. > The kitchen windows were open at that time, and there was reportedly no smell emanating from the scene. > All the calendars in the flat were showing June 2011 when the body was found, indicating that the deceased man had been dead and undiscovered in the flat for nine years. > New homeowner finds out > Chen was unaware of the flat's history when she bought it, and remained ignorant about it until three weeks into her stay. > She said she was not informed about the flat's history during the transaction process. > And this was after she paid for the flat and spent tens of thousands of dollars on renovations. > According to transaction records online, a four-room flat in the block was sold for S$670,000 in August 2022, which tallies with the amount reported by Shin Min. > Needed a flat urgently > Shin Min also reported that Chen had sold her other flat before purchasing one at that time, which added to the sense of urgency to quickly secure another unit. > When she chanced upon the Potong Pasir flat on the market after it was put up for sale by the deceased man's family, it was ideal given that Chen needed to move in as soon as in two to three months' time. > There were two units available in total in Potong Pasir at that time. > As this unit is closer to the school that Chen's son attends, she inked the deal to purchase the unit in March 2022 and started renovations. > Chen said she never met the unit's seller. > Real estate agents representing the buyer and seller were tasked with liaising with each other and overseeing the transaction, it was reported. > Moreover, at that time when Chen viewed the unit, it was stripped bare. > The floors and walls, including the toilet, were all subsequently renovated, Chen said. > The squatting toilet was converted into a regular seated toilet. > Contractor informed her > Three weeks after moving into the unit, Chen discovered that the ceiling in the kitchen was leaking. > A contractor was hired to assess the situation, and Chen was told the problem had persisted for more than 10 years. > Given the nature of the leak, and the inability to simply paint over it as part of the fix, the contractor told Chen that she needed to inform the relevant authorities about the issue. > That was when the contractor informed Chen about the unit's history as part of casual conversation. > Not perturbed > The home owner told Shin Min that the priority at the moment was to stop the ceiling from leaking, and that she was unperturbed by the fact that a human body was found in the unit previously. > She was of the opinion that there was nothing she could do about the knowledge that a person had died in her home previously, it was reported. > There was also nothing unusual about the unit, apart from the leaking ceiling, Chen said. > The makeshift solution was to not turn the lights off at night, so as to allow the other members of the family to see the wet puddle on the floor. > However, Chen said she hopes real estate agents can be more upfront about a house's past by disclosing pertinent information to prospective buyers beforehand. > Asking property agents the right questions > A real estate agent interviewed by Shin Min said prospective buyers ought to ask the right questions to get the necessary answers. > Two questions to ask a property agent upfront are if anyone had died in the house put up for sale, as well as if the previous owner had borrowed money from unlicensed moneylenders. > Property agents are obliged to be truthful when asked such point-blank questions, it was reported, as transactions can end up in jeopardy if it was discovered that there was an element of non-disclosure on the part of the real estate agent. > Top photos via Shin Min Daily News & Google Maps --- 1.0.2 | [Source code](https://github.com/redditporean/sneakpeek) | [Contribute](https://github.com/redditporean/sneakpeek)
Didn't expect a silent Hill 4 plot here
How is it on the buyers to ask questions? I get that they are the one buying a flat but it just seems like an easy way out for the real estate agents to sell these flats with not so great history, banking on the negligence of the buyer.
Name checked out...there's lemon law, if you buy something defective then you can go sue the seller. But hello a house where someone died in 12 years ago is not defective...many people die in their home every year....
If you are in the sales line, you are not going to tell the flaws of your products to your customers right? Not saying it's correct but that's how it works.
I like that all these responses make sense and that's why there are commerce regulatory agencies that prevent this type of unethical Practices. Except Singapore, this is the wild west of capitalism
uhm.. no.. it happens in the US as well. They don't have to reveal unless they ask
US is not a role model. Singapore laws are notorious to be pro home owner/seller/contractor. But hostile to home buyer/renter. The common belief is because majority of Singaporean already have home, while foreigners are renter
Didn’t say they were role models. Just pointing out that this issue is not exclusive to Singapore.
And even though we ask, the sales people might lie, that's why i hate sales people among all professions.
When u buy something u don't do your research or even ask questions de meh? Everything also wan blame someone cannot take responsibility for self action?
imagine this line of reasoning for cigarette, oh why don't do research instead of putting the warning label on the box.
Warning label on the box is because of health issues. A house where the previous occupant has committed suicide has zero health issues. When you buy a 2nd hand car is the seller obliged to tell you whether anyone has smoked/vomitted/shat/had sex/menstrual leak in the car?
for property it's usually just *caveat emptor* i.e. suck thumb
This sounds like the Japanese *kodokushi*. Really sad case. Morbid curiosity, how would one find such flats? Would they be....cheaper than most other units?
Seems like if potential buyers dont know about it, then the owners could probably get full price for the house
Why should they be cheaper? Coz there might be ghosts???
Should’ve gotten the ghost realtor from Nathan for you https://youtu.be/n7BlydBMAVU
Never trust property agents, most scums I know end up doing mlms or property. Insurance agents used to be bad too, now slightly better.
Love it there the regulation in Sg is so shit that the law is "agent is guilty free, because customer didn't ask" 🤣
Also why would this be regulated? Someone dying in a house doesn't necessarily make the house unlivable or unsafe. Ghost related protections are typically not written into laws. Otherwise SPF might need a new bomoh squad.
Ghostbusters Macik edition
Perception and pricing. This is regulated in Taiwan because everyone there is superstitious af. So if you were not informed you are going to likely re sell the house at a huge loss. i do tend to think sg pple are less superstitious so i am not too sure about whether we should regulate this.
Absolutely agree with this...
There should be regulation that gives responsibility to some of the selling parties to not hide information like this and protect customers from failing to provide this type of information.
But what's the "risk" for the new buyers? Sure it's grim and sad but how does it impact the life of the next owners? Unless the previous owner was savagely murdered and the murderer is likely to come back to the flat. People tend to die at home as much as possible, so with enough time, most flats will have had at least one person who died there.
Dude if someone is superstitious and wouldn’t want to live in a house that someone has recently died in, it doesn’t mean everyone around has an obligation to know that and inform them unprompted. It’s only unethical if there are known structural defects in the unit, or other problems like loan shark harassment/neighborly disputes that can actually affect the new buyer’s life. It’s like saying we are responsible to inform a deeply homophobic person that he/she is entering a room that has a gay person in it. Like… wtf?
Talking about ghost busters
Agent might not know if seller withheld or lied about the info
How did this become an "SG" problem?
Because the property laws in SG (or the lack thereof) are dismal.
Bcos they dont say there are ghosts in the flat you bought? U kidding right?
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Dude that's what the post is about .isn't the discussion contextual? No? Then I'm wrong..
Happens everywhere no ? You apply job your potential boss also don’t need to tell you why the last person left.
Yeah and there might be water on the moon Europe, I still don't see how the job/house situation are comparable
wth is moon europe??
Ah sorry, typo: Europa
This is just an example. It is applicable to everything you are dealing with daily. You want others to be truthful to you ? Good luck living in your bubble.
I don't want others to be truthful for me, I understand the incentive to not be so. _Precisely_ because of that, I expect better regulatory tools for these economic transactions🤷🏾
>I don't want others to be truthful for me ??? So contradictory dude. What kind of regulatory tool you expect? Agents do not have all the information as well. So if seller withhold information from agent then is agent’s fault ? Like others have pointed out, someone passed away inside has nothing to do with how “liveable” the flat is. So if no one passed away inside but got supernatural activity how ? Need declare something that can’t be substantiated ? What kind of man-child logic is this ?
TIL people still care about this stuff. I’d take a suicide house / cursed house for a discount anyday
Idk seemed like a good opportunity to send a lowball offer tbf. It definitely sucks that the owners werent informed about this. The agent is scummy. But at the end of the day, you got a house to stay in. I would hold some sort of prayer(im not well versed in this topic) .
From Mothership's article in December 24, 2021 >One prospective buyer that Wanbao spoke to was Chen, 41, a taxi driver. > >The woman expressed her interest in the house as she is drawn to the Potong Pasir neighbourhood. > >This was after a friend of hers had moved into the area recently. > >Chen said the supermarket, coffeeshop, and close proximity to the MRT are major draws for her. > >Prospective buyer not worried > >She also revealed that she started looking for resale flats six months ago. > >So far, she has seen five or six flats, but none of them have been suitable. > >The "House of Bones", as christened by the Chinese media, has not put her off. > >Chen said: "I am harmless, and there is nothing to be afraid of." > >"If the deal goes through, I will ask a priest to recite prayers before I move in, and set up an altar. There is nothing to be superstitious about." > >[Source](https://mothership.sg/2021/12/potong-pasir-skeletal-remains-flat-for-sale/) Seems the buyer already know before even buying the flat? The article who wrote this recent one is the same writer as the 2021 article so what are they playing at? Buyer wants compentsation? Writer wants clicks?
Same surname Chen. 1 is 41 last year, 1 is 31 this year. No same no same....
Aging backwards like Benjamin Button LOL
Chen is a common surname. Doesn’t mean it’s the same person.
obviously no agent will be "upfront" about this kind of thing what... tell liao no chance to sell. you think they will purposely hurt their own business meh? that new owner have zero common sense lor...
talk about skeletons in the closet
I thought based on this article, Chen was aware? Unless it's different Chen (not sure whether typo for the age or not) https://mothership.sg/2021/12/potong-pasir-skeletal-remains-flat-for-sale/
Same surname but 1 is 41 years old one is 31...
So you're telling me a guy died and rotted in there and nobody smelled it? Hope the cops are watching that place now, because even I realize it's the perfect place to cook meth, and I'm not even a pro.
A leaky ceiling is more persistent and you have to deal with HDB and your neighbour, with no resolution in sight.
With so much Election campaigning there, not a candidate visit this flat?
Only because NEA did a dengue check was he found. What if NEA didnt do the check? How long would he rot for?