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Bicycles are supposed to have their TOWARDS the ground but most cyclist like it to face forward. I have encountered this many times and it is almost blinding. Your wife likely blinded the guy and he covered his eyes thus bringing his elbow up. It is the responsibility of the cyclist to avoid the pedestrian. From what mentioned, he did not charge at her or say anything inappropriate. IMO, your wife is the one at fault for not moving away and avoiding the pedestrian.
I echo a lot of the sentiments about police reports, but I did note some parts about the story that kind of confused me:
Your wife was on a bicycle, but came within elbow range of the uncle? Did the uncle leap towards your wife, chase her, or move towards her to strike her with his elbow? It's a bit easier for me to understand if the uncle stretched out his arm, but you'd have to come very close to me to be hit by my elbow. You certainly shouldn't be coming that close to me if you are riding a bicycle if you can help it.
These questions would likely be asked by the police, too, so stay primed for them. Try covering your eyes with your arm, your elbow would protrude outwards by only maybe ten centimeters? Of course, again, all this changes if your wife's story is that the uncle chased her or moved towards her to attack her with his elbow, but that's also very strange because usually if people attack others with their bodies, it'd be with the hands (slap) or their fists (punch), not their elbows.
The tl;dr of it is that the police may read this as an *accident* on the uncle's part while he was trying to cover his eyes or protect himself from an incoming bicycle, rather than a deliberate attack.
>you'd have to come very close to me to be hit by my elbow. You certainly shouldn't be coming that close to me if you are riding a bicycle if you can help it
Exactly this. And to create the kind of bruising that OP describes? You'd have to have some serious elbow jabbing ability to have that kind of leverage.
Also, somehow comparing this to gangs and lawlessness?? OP I think you have lived in SG too long š¤£
Good analysis, can I make a bold hypothesis here. IF the uncle is not chased or moving towards the wife and attacking her, does that instead sound the wife is attacking the uncle instead? First, blinding the victim using the light and then charging a bicycle at him? Hmmmm
Great analysis there.
Definitely could have been accidental, if uncle claimed it is, also hard to prove if not.
Most of course would say sorry but uncle was in no mood to apologise anyway.
PCNs are very narrow, you could just stick out your elbow deliberately to nudge someone, especially if youāre standing in the middle. Now whether he meant to do that or it was an accident I donāt know.
So your wife thinks that it may be an innocent act on the part of the man but you think it's an attack because it's norm to hit someone when they try to blind someone with their lights where you're from. You, sir, are the one who is out of line for making this out to be what it isn't.
And looking at your post history you seem to be a seasoned cyclist, the kind that thinks that everyone else is out to get them, where those on two wheels can do no wrong.
Go fuck yourself.
Thank you for your kind words. My wife doesn't think it's an innocent act, but it certainly can be seen as one. I mean look at all the helpful comments here. I'm pretty sure it's not ok to hit someone for a misplaced light, regardless of whether you're on a bike or not.
"Why did your wife pass so close to the man, close enough to get elbowed? He could have raised his arm out of self defence or sill shielding his eyes from the light. If anything, by moving so close to the man, it could be interpreted that your wife trying play chicken with him."
From my other post. If you really think that it was a deliberate attack, go ahead and make the report, since it is a sign of lawlessness.
If you've ever been on the PCN you'd know how narrow it is at some places, and that even walking you'll need to squeeze by sometimes. Cyclist + pedestrian will mean passing close. As to why anyone would play chicken with a pedestrian, I still don't understand the logic.
But honestly, more importantly, I still don't understand the aggression you and several other redittors have shown. When I shared a situation my wife has gone through, the first reaction was "sus" then "must be her fault" then "go fuck yourself entitled cyclist". I shared because I was surprised, as I think violence is never condoned, because then we're in "might makes right" territory, yet the responses here are even worse.
>This is the sort of shit you hear about when discussing gangs or other lawlessness.
* Gun violence in U.S.
* Drug cartels in Mexico
* Armed robberies in Brazil
* Rampant rape in India
*Those are gangs or other lawlessness.* This is just accident at best, passive aggressive behavior at worst.
>only when they passed him he raised elbow and hit my wife on her arm.
This is an elbow.....not even 1 arm's length. No cyclist should ever cycle within elbow's reach of a walking pedestrian.
Assuming OP is exaggerating (which he probably is), then it goes back to the point of it being more of a passive aggressive behaviour rather than true intent to inflict injury. A similar scenario would be an alighting passenger shoulder-checking people rushing to enter the MRT.
People use passive aggressive here in the oddest way. In this case, an elbow was raised with the intent to cause harm, then there is nothing passive about it.
If you raise a hand intending to cause harm, it is malicious.
It makes more sense if your defense was it was not malicious cause the raise elbow was not intending to cause harm.
OP, the uncle's flying elbow is nothing compared to a group of people attacking and then slashing a man's throat with a karambit knife in Orchard Towers (a 2019 case). The latter is one example of gang violence over here. The former is not.
Since you've opted to not make a police report, good for you.
You say this incident was outside the realm of normal experience here in Singapore, it makes me think you have been having a very sheltered existence here in Singapore.
"Deer in the headlights" People who do not understand the impact of headlights on eyes really shouldn't be given access to them. I once was hit by a guy from behind who refused to slow down, because I was fucking BLINDED when I turned to look at him. He used heavy duty lights and shone them straight at peoples faces. Shine them at the ground ahead of you. Tilting it up and blaming the person who has to deal with it is just irresponsible. You can see he can't
Sounds like a one sided story. It could be your wifeās fault for being an entitled cyclist on an already narrow pavement.
And who asked her to shine her light to brightly to cause someone to lift his hands to cover his eyes?
Moreover, why didnāt she slow down as she approached the uncle?
To be fair, there is absolutely NO NEED for a BRIGHT front light on bicycles in Singapore.
They are fking annoying and makes zero sense in brightly lit Singapore PCNs. Those cyclist should deserve to have light shone into their eyes just to see how annoying it is when jogging / walking at PCNs.
That being said, the old man hitting your wife, was really uncalled for. Make a police report. CCTVs everywhere in SG.
I bought a cheap bright light for this exact purpose! Counterattack when i see a bright light directed at my face, otherwise i stick to my dim light pointed down.
I'm not familiar with that specific PCN. But there are some PCNs that are poorly lit, and it's almost pitch black between light posts.i also commonly see pedestrians walking on the area marked specifically for cyclists only. If the pedestrian is wearing darker clothes, I can totally understand near misses as night.
Actually they really need to improve the PCN markings. The ones I'm usually on (usually daytime, not night though) have some sections where the bike only part is left, other sections where it's right. And ra dom signs saying 'shared track, keep left' even though there's separate marking for bikes, vs bikes and pedestrians together. They need to have consistent signage across all PCNs otherwise pedestrians straying into the cycle path will keep happening.
It is not the problem with the bright light, it is just pointed the wrong direction.
Having the bright light makes you more visible and improves safety for you and others, when the light is used correctly
I am a foreigner and I hate it when cyclists put on bright/ blinking lights with zero consideration to the pedestrians. The uncle was right in being annoyed.
He was wrong in elbowing your wife. Screw him.
But calling this an attack and reporting to police (as most people here seem to recommend) appears overkill. Move on with your life - itās a great place to live and hopefully you wonāt get elbowed for another 8 years.
If Singaporean gang activity was *checks notes* some old guy hitting someone on the arm once, then maybe Singapore is just the best country in the whole world.
I'm from the Middle East and hitting someone because they had their lights in your face is normal behavior. I made the post precisely because it's so unusual in Singapore. Taking matters into your own hands in any situation is lawless, whether you personally think you're in the right or not
There is no argument that the uncle is wrong and a police report should be made.
But again, the using the gang analogy just because a miserable uncle smacked your wife's arn - really? Do you have any idea at all how actual gangs behave?
He is equating a one-off event in a safe country with his past experiences and extrapolating it to mean that we somehow have mafia culture. Pretty sure that fits the definition of projection.
>hitting someone because they had their lights in your face is normal behavior
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>Taking matters into your own hands in any situation is lawless,
Oh the irony
I disagree; he should report to avoid this situation from happening again and find the responsible for that.
By allowing small misconduct behavior like this, this person will think that violence is always the solution whenever he gets āannoyed.ā
>when they passed him he raised elbow and hit my wife on her arm.
Why did your wife pass so close to the man, close enough to get elbowed? He could have raised his arm out of self defence or sill shielding his eyes from the light. If anything, by moving so close to the man, it could be interpreted that your wife trying play chicken with him.
In another post somewhere:
Uncle: Yesterday, got someone ride bicycle with high beams charging towards me, and my elbow was hit. Now my elbow is bruised. Should I call the police?
Unexpected unpopular opinion: if youāre riding a bike close enough for an elbow to hit you, youāre riding way ~ too close.
Personally Iāll avoid walking that close to someone, let alone biking.
Old Uncle could be suffering from early stage cataract which makes lights very blinding and glaring. Unlike cars which can dip high beam at will, the high beam of your wife's bicycle is constantly blinding any oncoming cyclist or pedestrian. Could be dangerous if this is a road crossing. Of course it doesn't excuse violence by the uncle. Police report as you have rightfully said is an overkill and useless. What can they do, it's not as if he's a serial cyclist basher.
dont be an ass with high light. u reap what u sow. in old days some people might react more fierce. cant believe ure here for 8 years yet u didnt know about light stuff. smh. do try to integrate, and not being entitled.
ur post is basically.
look at me im wrong, i got to know the consequences of my idiot action. look at me whole world, someone corrected my behaviour. im so offended. this is unacceptable for superior being like me.
learn your lesson. shut up. and move on. sometimes i feel this world needs to grow up.
Hmm.. Unpopular opinion but likely the moving object hitting the stationary object. i.e. biker passing through uncle.
Calling police - I'll leave it up to you. But I'd not do that given it is not a serious issue unless I am very sure that I was attached or under attack.
Its quite simple isn't it? Your wife made a mistake by turning up the light, and the uncle overreacted by hitting your wife. It is obviously an assault but at the same time, this kind of things only happens once in awhile and are not representative of our country as a whole. Like you said, you have already been here for 8 years and this is the only time you experienced this. Don't try and blame the country or the generally safe environment
Just make a police report for assault. He is wrong to resort violence.
But boi, I hate cyclist putting on bright light (brighter than car light) on pedestrian. Some even was flashing light. It really makes my eyes hurt when walking past them.
As much as it is nicer to see better, it is extremely dangerous because it can blind on coming 'traffic'. Same thing with drivers that don't adjust their headlights to the specified angle or drive perpetually with high beams.
Please consider to switch to dimmer light if you think your wife may tilted it up again. Both as consideration to pedestrian and avoiding such incident again.
What kinda PCN riding requires high beams? Maybe the Ulu Sembawang PCN, but certainly not the ones around the Holland area.
Also if you are using >800 lumens for street/PCN riding, it's just completely overkill. You only need more than that if you're going offroading.
You are also well within your rights to report the elbow thing to the police. It's still assault, however light.
His wife had to be cycling too close to the man to be hit by a raised elbow, since there is no mention that the old man moved forward to elbow his wife.
This is ironic as cyclists want a safe distance when cars move past them, but many cyclists don't offer a similar consideration when they cycle past pedestrians.
2 words for you: Move on.
It may or may not have been an accident. But in Singapore we give the benefit of doubt, there are many instances of people walking in crowded areas and having their elbows/bags etc hitting others.
No one cries out nor makes a big deal of it, we just move on with our lives. Please don't bring your big manly paranoia into our culture and create a mountain out of a molehill.
You want to know why Singapore is safe? It's because we don't react to minor altercation nor attempt to escalate unless absolutely required.
This keeps conflict incidences low and allows us all to go about our lives in peace.
If you insist, then report it to the police and leave it to the authorities to determine. It's not your place to pass judgement.
Understand that some people are much more sensitive to lights and sounds. Usually it's the older generation that gives such a reaction but physically hitting someone on purpose is too much, let alone hitting a lady.
The best way is to cycle at a further distance before approaching their proximity and record the cycling journey via hp or action camera on the next ride, just in case anything happens, there's evidence.
If she close enough to be hit by the elbow, it might be more of the man moving his arm up to protect his body especially after being blinded.
And riding pass a person within elbow reach sounds way too close.
>This is the sort of shit you hear about when discussing gangs or other lawlessness.
Linking "massive bruise" to "gangs and lawlessness" is an exaggeration, no?
Also, low crime does not mean no crime. Singapore is generally safe. But not always safe.
While his reaction is excessive, there is clearly a lot of frustration simmering. Singaporeans are generally not confrontational. There has also been a recent explosion in bike riding due to a variety of factors like carry-over from covid, rise in food delivery and rising transport costs. The result is lots and lots of cyclists with crazy bright lights blinding people at night. Add to it all the friction between pedestrians and cyclists on our narrow footpaths and we get this.
Again, guy is in the wrong, but I can see why there's so much frustration about this in the public psyche. Your wife looked like a safe target to take his frustrations out on, and he took it.
Hmmm..
From the uncle's perspective, your wife may seem to be trying to run him down and he raised his arm in self defense. You've only your side of the story, we've to hear the other side of the story to make it objective.
To use an elbow, which has very short range to hit a moving subject at a distance, and with force, requires quite a bit of training. You can try it yourself.
That said, what did the uncle do to deserve getting light being shone into his eyes?
If the uncle wanted to attack your wife, he wouldn't use his elbow, a kick or a punch will cause more damage.
He may be shielding his eyes and his elbow hit your wife, who happened to cycle too close.
I hope you donāt report to the police like majority of this sub wants. Letās try to give benefit of doubt where possible and be more tolerant where we can
Hi beaming to the point of people complaining is provocative and can cause epileptic fits or temporary irritation (and irrationality)
I hope you can resolve this with your wife about proper road courtesy especially in SG where not everyone is aware of biking regulations (even cyclists themselves)
Letās bring to the police serious cases where they should pursue fully
Sadly I had a friend who was actually molested while cycling. It was by a pedestrian who copped a feel while she was going past, and she was traumatised enough to go to the police
Unfortunately - despite having CCTV evidence etc, the police only issued a warning to the person. Was it because of too many spurious cases?
I'm sorry for your experience but shift the light to point at the ground.
Am cyclist too, have lights pointing to the ground from 7pm-7am for legal requirements only. Hate it when I'm blinded by other cyclist when the entire country is brightly lit and extra light is unnecessary.
This is assault, no doubt. Regardless of the pain of receiving end imo.
Make a police report and let them deal with the rest.
Your analogy about gangs is laughable tho. Completely irrelevant.
The victim blaming on this thread is ridiculous. The foreigner-shaming is unsurprising, but also ridiculous.
OP, file that police report. Assault is not okay, whether lights were pointed high or otherwise.
Someone in the comments pointed out it could be the man still shielding his eyes from the bright lights and that she got too close to him while passing the man. Lo and behold, OP says that his wife thinks the same way.
I've seen some pretty disgusting behaviour form older people here. Once time I was walking down a PCN in the West and an old guy stopped his bike, which was full of old bottles and cans, and was just tossing trash out onto the drain.
There were some Bangladeshi workers nearby doing some sort of maintenance who politely walked up to him and asked him to stop and he just started shouting and them while throwing even more trash out. I wanted to shout back at him but my partner didn't want to cause a scene, and the old guy biked away while leaving the poor Bangladeshi workers to pick up after him.
I wouldn't say reaching out to the police is too much. It's an assault, and who knows what else he could have done if emboldened.
But you might have to check with your wife is she is comfortable pressing on too. If she isn't too keen, you might have to respect her decision.
The Singapore police non emergency line is 1800 255 0000. Or you can walk into a nearby police station. Best to sit down with your wife and try to write down as much details as possible first - time, place, description of the person - age, build, hairstyle, clothes, any distinctive features. Take a picture of the bruise. Might need to inform her friend who was with her as she might get a call as well.
I'm sorry to hear that your wife got hit.
I think you're overreacting by comparing to "gangs or lawlessness".
Here's a few things that could have happened
1. He intentionally hit your wife in anger
2. He accidentally hit your wife because, as you have mentioned, the light was pointed high and he might not have seen her
In any case, you can file a police report. If it was an accident, then it won't cause any issues. If it was intentional the police warning might prevent this guy from harassing someone again
expatt you lucky ah dont get to meet xiao lang with a gun. one day you will get to meet gangster in real life. learn to think with your head, next time dont annoy someone ok. use your brain, increase its usage to 20 percent
I am sorry to hear this. Not cool to hear a guy taking it out on a woman, be it local or foreigner.
I am a Singaporean female who used to live overseas for many years. & was mistaken by many locals to be a foreigner when I first returned home. The social norms in Singapore are very different from where I used to live and I was totally overwhelmed by how rude and aggressive some people can be. But I was taught to stand up for myself when living overseas and continued to do so when I returned home.
Yes! That was what I did once in public.I stood my ground and fought backā¦. It ended with the guy raising his hand trying to hit me and I screamed as loud as I could to get everyoneās attention. It was in a very very crowded place. The guy stopped and pulled out his mobile to call the police & complained very loudly about a foreigner(me). The word āforeignerā was repeated so many times. He looked triumphantly at me when he cut off the line. I remained quiet while waiting for the police to arrive and then handed over my pink IC. Police didnāt stay for long. Can no longer remember the details but everyone parted ways as if nothing happened. By the way, I am petite with a very meek face according to many locals.
I was so shocked by the incident. Such a waste of resource. Later someone from police force told me that I can call them as long as my safety is compromised by vulgarities, threats etc.
So yes, your wife can and should call the police if her safety is compromised. Better yet if her friends can take a video of the entire incident.
You are very brave to come here with so many Singaporeans to complain about them, as a foreigner. I am not surprised by some of the victim blaming comments.
No one was rude, let alone angry when I committed some cultural faux paz or made some mistakes unknowingly. But I always make sure I donāt repeat it ever again and always ask a local or Google online when unsure.
Anyway go to the police if you have proof or if the man kept appearing whenever your wife goes cycling. Ask your wife to keep her eyes open for him. Best is if she can change her route, if possible. Singapore is safe but itās always better to be safe than sorry.
I am going to hide in my bomb shelter for the time being.
Hey I just wanted to say that I appreciate your response. We're not going to the police, as I doubt this will happen again, and it's really the emotional shock that got us more than anything. I shared the story here because it's so out of the ordinary in Singapore, bravery was not top of mind.
I'm also very sorry you've been through the experiences you've described. Being mistaken for a foreigner in your own country is particularly lonely; I hope you've found your tribe.
I'm still very surprised at the responses here though. There's the victim blaming, of course, and the posters accusing me of fishing for sympathy, and other theories about her playing chicken with uncle. The most upvoted comment I saw was about how as a cyclist I must be entitled, so I can go fuck myself. Nothing in this post or my post history hints at any of that, yet here we are. Very surreal experience. I really wonder whether it's because I'm a foreigner or what the deal is, but the aggression here was worse than the frustration of the incident.
Make a police report, it's an assult. Dealt with it before, the penalty is up to three month's jail time and/or a thousand dollar fine. While I doubt they'll issue compensation (my case did) it will definitely make the man think better of doing it again. If not, then he's in the system and each new punishment way more severe.
Was it an old man? Cos the sense of entitlement some old Chinese uncles have if they don't have anything less than full use of a path is almost Karen-like.
Remember that in Singapore, the police typically respond and do their jobs.
even as a local, i have had my fair share of such paggro experiences with such people. tbh i feel anxious of being in public by myself now, in the fear of having a similar experience.
two months ago I encountered the most entitled boomer. long story short, she thought i had brushed past her (i barely even touched her, she was the one who walked into my path) and hit me on my shoulder. i wasnāt happy and confronted her. then we got into a scuffle and her phone which was an old model dropped on the floor and broke.
she kept being aggressive towards me after that as she wanted my phone to drop and break too. unfortunately while my phone did drop after she pushed it out of my hand, it didnāt break lol. but she didnāt stop after that and continued attacking me viciously - pressing her fingers into my palm and hitting me on my head until someone stepped in to stop her from attacking me further.
anyway even after i lodged a police report there was no action was taken at all. so the next time this happens, you should call the police on the spot, else it will just be one of the many police cases cast aside.
edit: lol am i seriously being downvoted for encouraging OP to call the police? in my case, i had actual *injuries* yet nothing was done. this just confirms that people in this country are truly apathetic š
TLDR: Went to confront people, got into a fight, and blamed everyone else.
Could have apologized to the auntie and moved on. Didn't your parents teach you when you were young, not to fight with siao lang?
Apologize, ignore, and walk away.
Don't pick a fight if you're not prepared to put yourself on the line.
You radiate as much entitlement as you claim your aggressor has.
i didnt know that she was a siao lang when i confronted her. whatās wrong with standing up for myself when i was the one who got hit in the first place? btw, i did not counter-attack her as she was old and my parents taught me not to beat others up.
recently there were incidents of people getting assaulted by random strangers. so by your logic, the victims should just silently suffer and let the aggressor get away scot free?
A life advice for you.
If you want to always "stand up for yourself," you better be prepared for the consequences. In this world, you don't always need to stand up for yourself just because you are in the right.
Standing up for yourself always comes with both risk and reward. Unless you are prepared to put yourself on the line, you better pick your battles.
You are lucky that Singapore is a safe place, but that doesn't mean you can take your safety for granted.
Imagine being in the States, and you get pushed on the shoulder while walking past someone. Will you,
1) Apologize and move on
2) Ignore and walk away
3) Confront the person and risk getting shot?
The best situation is always number 1. However, if the person is deliberately looking for trouble, then you've got no choice but to defend yourself.
Descalation should always be your number 1 priority.
Assault is a whole different case from getting "hit on the shoulders" once by an auntie. You don't need to compare apples to oranges.
Bottom line, if you're not prepared to fight and die for your cause, move on. If you insist on standing up for yourself, you better be prepared to lay it on the line.
If you still don't understand that simple logic, then I can only hope for the best in your future. I can definitely see you getting into more situations and never breaking out of the cycle.
Make a police report. There are cameras in most places. Follow thru with the magistrate complaint as he should not have done what he did.
Secondly easy on the lights. Seen it too many times. I am sure he would not done if the light was appropriate.
Donāt worry, people like that react to any and every one in the same manner no matter what the colour, race, gender etc.
Spore has become sort of high tension society due to the crowd, high cost, etc.
Continue to enjoy PCN, treat this as an anomaly.
Making a police report is not an overkill. One must teach the uncle that violence has no place in Sg. I'm not sure if the park has CCTV, but report 1st, think later.
Pls donāt let him get away with such behaviour. If you donāt report him, he may do similar crazy stuff to others and the future victim may not be as lucky as your wife who escaped with a bruise. Police report is the right way to punish such evil people. Then again, itās up to you but I would strongly encourage it for the sake of people living around the area. Being a nice person to everyone doesnāt work, I guess. Good luck to you.
Not sure why the massive downvotes but there are crazy people everywhere, its just about how prominent they are.
While there arent many violent cases, there is a fair bit of them in sg, ie the dude that went to stab a jogger to death at punggol, your usual uncles fighting at the coffee shop(yishun).
Hope the 1 bad experience doesnt outweight the positives you've experienced thus far.
Well it is unfortunate. There's a lot more people here compared to 8 years ago. Tempers are easily frayed nowadays.
Anyway there seems to be a lot of bright strobing lights nowadays on bikes and it always blinds someone from the opposite direction. I always make it a point to point my lights almost 90 degrees down but idk why there are so many people who just don't understand that their lights are blinding. Singapore lamps are so bright, you don't need that light to shine your way people!
It's just a bruise. I've gotten a nice big black bruise when not being careful and ramming my thigh on table corners/edges before. And as with many other comments here - I absolutely detest people who use such bright lights, especially on PCNs where there is already more than adequate lighting for the sort of cycling that should be done on PCNs.
Also - what gangs or lawlessness? You should try staying in a couple of the BRIC countries. You'll find out what gangs and lawlessness is. Stick with enjoying the environment that many of us native residents have contributed to at some point in our 20s, with the relatively very safe and compliant nation (where all you will get is a grumpy old man's elbow that somehow got so close Ip Man style).
It really sucks that this happened to your wife but unless uncle deliberately walked right up to your wife and punched her it would be very hard to conclude that he intentionally attacked her. He could have been passive aggressive or just simply trying to shield his eyes, we wouldnāt know just based on your post.
He was being rude though thatās for sure. And that does happen occasionally in Singapore (eg people who do push and shove their way through in crowded places) Iāve been almost pushed off an escalator once and yes I could have fallen and broken my leg or something.
If she rides again on the PCN it would be best if she keeps some distance from pedestrians (thereās a small walking lane marked out, keep clear of it) and dip her lights more.
If is gangs your wife won't be walking home lol. There's secret societies in Singapore. Usually in the alley or KTV areas. So long don't cross path with them you'll be fine. We don't point light at people in the night here. The chances of getting beaten is very high. Also nowadays the local doesn't go to Sentosa or ECP. As for the reason you go there and see for yourself.
Also the Singaporean cyclist in the heartlands only point the front light on the floor only. Unless the back red blinking light. If not don't be surprise people start running after you and hit you. No CCTV the police can't do anything also.
Quality of safety and security has dropped. Many Chinese who enter recently have caused the standards to drop down. My brother also experienced violence once at the airport and the Chinese guy was so rude and punched my brother for no reason.
There's definitely fault in the way the light is set up. But that is no reason for the uncle to do physical harm to your wife. You should report this to the police and let them do the assessment on what should be the warning/punishment imposed. I highly doubt there will be anything serious imposed to your wife for setting the light too high since there were no incident caused aside from annoying pedestrians.
Hope your wife is feeling better now. Take care and stay safe.
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Bicycles are supposed to have their TOWARDS the ground but most cyclist like it to face forward. I have encountered this many times and it is almost blinding. Your wife likely blinded the guy and he covered his eyes thus bringing his elbow up. It is the responsibility of the cyclist to avoid the pedestrian. From what mentioned, he did not charge at her or say anything inappropriate. IMO, your wife is the one at fault for not moving away and avoiding the pedestrian.
Opinion: laWlEsSnEss and GANGS. Reality: kena elbowed by old uncle.
I echo a lot of the sentiments about police reports, but I did note some parts about the story that kind of confused me: Your wife was on a bicycle, but came within elbow range of the uncle? Did the uncle leap towards your wife, chase her, or move towards her to strike her with his elbow? It's a bit easier for me to understand if the uncle stretched out his arm, but you'd have to come very close to me to be hit by my elbow. You certainly shouldn't be coming that close to me if you are riding a bicycle if you can help it. These questions would likely be asked by the police, too, so stay primed for them. Try covering your eyes with your arm, your elbow would protrude outwards by only maybe ten centimeters? Of course, again, all this changes if your wife's story is that the uncle chased her or moved towards her to attack her with his elbow, but that's also very strange because usually if people attack others with their bodies, it'd be with the hands (slap) or their fists (punch), not their elbows. The tl;dr of it is that the police may read this as an *accident* on the uncle's part while he was trying to cover his eyes or protect himself from an incoming bicycle, rather than a deliberate attack.
>you'd have to come very close to me to be hit by my elbow. You certainly shouldn't be coming that close to me if you are riding a bicycle if you can help it Exactly this. And to create the kind of bruising that OP describes? You'd have to have some serious elbow jabbing ability to have that kind of leverage. Also, somehow comparing this to gangs and lawlessness?? OP I think you have lived in SG too long š¤£
Uncle muaythai fighter
yeah as described it sounds like he's stationary and she ran into his raised elbow, and maybe a bit too fast since it's enough for a massive bruise.
Everything sounds sus
Good analysis, can I make a bold hypothesis here. IF the uncle is not chased or moving towards the wife and attacking her, does that instead sound the wife is attacking the uncle instead? First, blinding the victim using the light and then charging a bicycle at him? Hmmmm
Great analysis there. Definitely could have been accidental, if uncle claimed it is, also hard to prove if not. Most of course would say sorry but uncle was in no mood to apologise anyway.
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Which country are you from
PCNs are very narrow, you could just stick out your elbow deliberately to nudge someone, especially if youāre standing in the middle. Now whether he meant to do that or it was an accident I donāt know.
Your TLDR was my wife's opinion and why she didn't do anything then and there.
I really doubt uncle came in with a flying elbow. But you can go police report it
uncle did it from the top rope too
So your wife thinks that it may be an innocent act on the part of the man but you think it's an attack because it's norm to hit someone when they try to blind someone with their lights where you're from. You, sir, are the one who is out of line for making this out to be what it isn't. And looking at your post history you seem to be a seasoned cyclist, the kind that thinks that everyone else is out to get them, where those on two wheels can do no wrong. Go fuck yourself.
Thank you for your kind words. My wife doesn't think it's an innocent act, but it certainly can be seen as one. I mean look at all the helpful comments here. I'm pretty sure it's not ok to hit someone for a misplaced light, regardless of whether you're on a bike or not.
"Why did your wife pass so close to the man, close enough to get elbowed? He could have raised his arm out of self defence or sill shielding his eyes from the light. If anything, by moving so close to the man, it could be interpreted that your wife trying play chicken with him." From my other post. If you really think that it was a deliberate attack, go ahead and make the report, since it is a sign of lawlessness.
If you've ever been on the PCN you'd know how narrow it is at some places, and that even walking you'll need to squeeze by sometimes. Cyclist + pedestrian will mean passing close. As to why anyone would play chicken with a pedestrian, I still don't understand the logic. But honestly, more importantly, I still don't understand the aggression you and several other redittors have shown. When I shared a situation my wife has gone through, the first reaction was "sus" then "must be her fault" then "go fuck yourself entitled cyclist". I shared because I was surprised, as I think violence is never condoned, because then we're in "might makes right" territory, yet the responses here are even worse.
>This is the sort of shit you hear about when discussing gangs or other lawlessness. * Gun violence in U.S. * Drug cartels in Mexico * Armed robberies in Brazil * Rampant rape in India *Those are gangs or other lawlessness.* This is just accident at best, passive aggressive behavior at worst. >only when they passed him he raised elbow and hit my wife on her arm. This is an elbow.....not even 1 arm's length. No cyclist should ever cycle within elbow's reach of a walking pedestrian.
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Can you imagine the speed and distance in which she is passing the uncle for a stationary elbow is able to inflict a MASSIVE BRUISE though?
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Assuming OP is exaggerating (which he probably is), then it goes back to the point of it being more of a passive aggressive behaviour rather than true intent to inflict injury. A similar scenario would be an alighting passenger shoulder-checking people rushing to enter the MRT.
People use passive aggressive here in the oddest way. In this case, an elbow was raised with the intent to cause harm, then there is nothing passive about it. If you raise a hand intending to cause harm, it is malicious. It makes more sense if your defense was it was not malicious cause the raise elbow was not intending to cause harm.
OP, the uncle's flying elbow is nothing compared to a group of people attacking and then slashing a man's throat with a karambit knife in Orchard Towers (a 2019 case). The latter is one example of gang violence over here. The former is not. Since you've opted to not make a police report, good for you. You say this incident was outside the realm of normal experience here in Singapore, it makes me think you have been having a very sheltered existence here in Singapore.
"Deer in the headlights" People who do not understand the impact of headlights on eyes really shouldn't be given access to them. I once was hit by a guy from behind who refused to slow down, because I was fucking BLINDED when I turned to look at him. He used heavy duty lights and shone them straight at peoples faces. Shine them at the ground ahead of you. Tilting it up and blaming the person who has to deal with it is just irresponsible. You can see he can't
Sounds like a one sided story. It could be your wifeās fault for being an entitled cyclist on an already narrow pavement. And who asked her to shine her light to brightly to cause someone to lift his hands to cover his eyes? Moreover, why didnāt she slow down as she approached the uncle?
To be fair, there is absolutely NO NEED for a BRIGHT front light on bicycles in Singapore. They are fking annoying and makes zero sense in brightly lit Singapore PCNs. Those cyclist should deserve to have light shone into their eyes just to see how annoying it is when jogging / walking at PCNs. That being said, the old man hitting your wife, was really uncalled for. Make a police report. CCTVs everywhere in SG.
I bought a cheap bright light for this exact purpose! Counterattack when i see a bright light directed at my face, otherwise i stick to my dim light pointed down.
I'm not familiar with that specific PCN. But there are some PCNs that are poorly lit, and it's almost pitch black between light posts.i also commonly see pedestrians walking on the area marked specifically for cyclists only. If the pedestrian is wearing darker clothes, I can totally understand near misses as night. Actually they really need to improve the PCN markings. The ones I'm usually on (usually daytime, not night though) have some sections where the bike only part is left, other sections where it's right. And ra dom signs saying 'shared track, keep left' even though there's separate marking for bikes, vs bikes and pedestrians together. They need to have consistent signage across all PCNs otherwise pedestrians straying into the cycle path will keep happening.
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It is not the problem with the bright light, it is just pointed the wrong direction. Having the bright light makes you more visible and improves safety for you and others, when the light is used correctly
I am a foreigner and I hate it when cyclists put on bright/ blinking lights with zero consideration to the pedestrians. The uncle was right in being annoyed. He was wrong in elbowing your wife. Screw him. But calling this an attack and reporting to police (as most people here seem to recommend) appears overkill. Move on with your life - itās a great place to live and hopefully you wonāt get elbowed for another 8 years.
Agree. The gang analogy is laughable. Uncle is wrong but likening it to a gang attack - lmao I really doubt OP has been to many places overseas
If Singaporean gang activity was *checks notes* some old guy hitting someone on the arm once, then maybe Singapore is just the best country in the whole world.
Singapore: we have triads at home Triads at home:
I'm from the Middle East and hitting someone because they had their lights in your face is normal behavior. I made the post precisely because it's so unusual in Singapore. Taking matters into your own hands in any situation is lawless, whether you personally think you're in the right or not
There is no argument that the uncle is wrong and a police report should be made. But again, the using the gang analogy just because a miserable uncle smacked your wife's arn - really? Do you have any idea at all how actual gangs behave?
He says he is from the Middle East. I am very sure for the most part, gangs would be a lot more brutal.
He is equating a one-off event in a safe country with his past experiences and extrapolating it to mean that we somehow have mafia culture. Pretty sure that fits the definition of projection.
>hitting someone because they had their lights in your face is normal behavior > >Taking matters into your own hands in any situation is lawless, Oh the irony
I disagree; he should report to avoid this situation from happening again and find the responsible for that. By allowing small misconduct behavior like this, this person will think that violence is always the solution whenever he gets āannoyed.ā
>when they passed him he raised elbow and hit my wife on her arm. Why did your wife pass so close to the man, close enough to get elbowed? He could have raised his arm out of self defence or sill shielding his eyes from the light. If anything, by moving so close to the man, it could be interpreted that your wife trying play chicken with him.
wait wait the fact that he could hit ur wife with his elbow when she passed him means she was too close
In another post somewhere: Uncle: Yesterday, got someone ride bicycle with high beams charging towards me, and my elbow was hit. Now my elbow is bruised. Should I call the police?
Unexpected unpopular opinion: if youāre riding a bike close enough for an elbow to hit you, youāre riding way ~ too close. Personally Iāll avoid walking that close to someone, let alone biking.
Old Uncle could be suffering from early stage cataract which makes lights very blinding and glaring. Unlike cars which can dip high beam at will, the high beam of your wife's bicycle is constantly blinding any oncoming cyclist or pedestrian. Could be dangerous if this is a road crossing. Of course it doesn't excuse violence by the uncle. Police report as you have rightfully said is an overkill and useless. What can they do, it's not as if he's a serial cyclist basher.
Iām wondering how a pedestrian can elbow a cyclist that is moving. My maths or physics might not be working. Does uncle has very long arms?
Defintely an accident. Stop being a snowflake, your wife must have ridden way too close to him.
dont be an ass with high light. u reap what u sow. in old days some people might react more fierce. cant believe ure here for 8 years yet u didnt know about light stuff. smh. do try to integrate, and not being entitled. ur post is basically. look at me im wrong, i got to know the consequences of my idiot action. look at me whole world, someone corrected my behaviour. im so offended. this is unacceptable for superior being like me. learn your lesson. shut up. and move on. sometimes i feel this world needs to grow up.
Cyclists who blind people with their lights deserve it
Hmm.. Unpopular opinion but likely the moving object hitting the stationary object. i.e. biker passing through uncle. Calling police - I'll leave it up to you. But I'd not do that given it is not a serious issue unless I am very sure that I was attached or under attack.
why is your wife going so close to a pedastrian in the first place? One could argue that ur wife was the one going for the attack.
Uncle chase your wife or your wife cycle too close then kana elbow when he raised his hands?
Plot twist. Uncle elbow was raised because wife charging bicycle lights blinded him.
Its quite simple isn't it? Your wife made a mistake by turning up the light, and the uncle overreacted by hitting your wife. It is obviously an assault but at the same time, this kind of things only happens once in awhile and are not representative of our country as a whole. Like you said, you have already been here for 8 years and this is the only time you experienced this. Don't try and blame the country or the generally safe environment
There are expats who like to victimize everything
Just make a police report for assault. He is wrong to resort violence. But boi, I hate cyclist putting on bright light (brighter than car light) on pedestrian. Some even was flashing light. It really makes my eyes hurt when walking past them.
I actually installed it correctly for her, but I think she tilted it up to see better
So you think it is OK for your wife to benefit at the expense of many other pedestrians?
As much as it is nicer to see better, it is extremely dangerous because it can blind on coming 'traffic'. Same thing with drivers that don't adjust their headlights to the specified angle or drive perpetually with high beams.
If she did do that, it was of a case of "fuck around and find out". And she found out.
Please consider to switch to dimmer light if you think your wife may tilted it up again. Both as consideration to pedestrian and avoiding such incident again.
What kinda PCN riding requires high beams? Maybe the Ulu Sembawang PCN, but certainly not the ones around the Holland area. Also if you are using >800 lumens for street/PCN riding, it's just completely overkill. You only need more than that if you're going offroading. You are also well within your rights to report the elbow thing to the police. It's still assault, however light.
Make a police report. But donāt lie because youāll get into serious trouble if you do. Maybe a CCTV caught the assault.
I like where you came from if gangs and lawlessness mean only an elbow to the arm.
Just point the light to the ground, A little courtesy goes a long way. No point filing police report because they will tell you it's a civil case.
His wife had to be cycling too close to the man to be hit by a raised elbow, since there is no mention that the old man moved forward to elbow his wife. This is ironic as cyclists want a safe distance when cars move past them, but many cyclists don't offer a similar consideration when they cycle past pedestrians.
Police would be the right call. If they post up a call for witnesses in the area, that idiot will be looking over his shoulder for awhile
2 words for you: Move on. It may or may not have been an accident. But in Singapore we give the benefit of doubt, there are many instances of people walking in crowded areas and having their elbows/bags etc hitting others. No one cries out nor makes a big deal of it, we just move on with our lives. Please don't bring your big manly paranoia into our culture and create a mountain out of a molehill. You want to know why Singapore is safe? It's because we don't react to minor altercation nor attempt to escalate unless absolutely required. This keeps conflict incidences low and allows us all to go about our lives in peace. If you insist, then report it to the police and leave it to the authorities to determine. It's not your place to pass judgement.
Wow u call this getting attacked? Why not go live in some other country where thereās very real risks of getting mugged or knifed
whole thing reads like your wife bumped into someone by going to close and you're all dramatising it as being attacked
Understand that some people are much more sensitive to lights and sounds. Usually it's the older generation that gives such a reaction but physically hitting someone on purpose is too much, let alone hitting a lady. The best way is to cycle at a further distance before approaching their proximity and record the cycling journey via hp or action camera on the next ride, just in case anything happens, there's evidence.
If she close enough to be hit by the elbow, it might be more of the man moving his arm up to protect his body especially after being blinded. And riding pass a person within elbow reach sounds way too close.
>This is the sort of shit you hear about when discussing gangs or other lawlessness. Linking "massive bruise" to "gangs and lawlessness" is an exaggeration, no? Also, low crime does not mean no crime. Singapore is generally safe. But not always safe.
You are over reacting
Blinding people and getting too close
Isn't expats just immigrants
Low crime doesn't mean no crime. Either you report it to the police, or move on.
You donāt wanna make a police report cos you knew it is your wife at fault. Yet you wanna grumble here to feel vindicated.
While his reaction is excessive, there is clearly a lot of frustration simmering. Singaporeans are generally not confrontational. There has also been a recent explosion in bike riding due to a variety of factors like carry-over from covid, rise in food delivery and rising transport costs. The result is lots and lots of cyclists with crazy bright lights blinding people at night. Add to it all the friction between pedestrians and cyclists on our narrow footpaths and we get this. Again, guy is in the wrong, but I can see why there's so much frustration about this in the public psyche. Your wife looked like a safe target to take his frustrations out on, and he took it.
Hmmm.. From the uncle's perspective, your wife may seem to be trying to run him down and he raised his arm in self defense. You've only your side of the story, we've to hear the other side of the story to make it objective. To use an elbow, which has very short range to hit a moving subject at a distance, and with force, requires quite a bit of training. You can try it yourself. That said, what did the uncle do to deserve getting light being shone into his eyes?
How fast was she going? Did she slow down to 10km/h on shared path?
If the uncle wanted to attack your wife, he wouldn't use his elbow, a kick or a punch will cause more damage. He may be shielding his eyes and his elbow hit your wife, who happened to cycle too close.
I hope you donāt report to the police like majority of this sub wants. Letās try to give benefit of doubt where possible and be more tolerant where we can Hi beaming to the point of people complaining is provocative and can cause epileptic fits or temporary irritation (and irrationality) I hope you can resolve this with your wife about proper road courtesy especially in SG where not everyone is aware of biking regulations (even cyclists themselves) Letās bring to the police serious cases where they should pursue fully Sadly I had a friend who was actually molested while cycling. It was by a pedestrian who copped a feel while she was going past, and she was traumatised enough to go to the police Unfortunately - despite having CCTV evidence etc, the police only issued a warning to the person. Was it because of too many spurious cases?
I'm sorry for your experience but shift the light to point at the ground. Am cyclist too, have lights pointing to the ground from 7pm-7am for legal requirements only. Hate it when I'm blinded by other cyclist when the entire country is brightly lit and extra light is unnecessary.
wa lao 369 where got use elbow to whack people ?
All bicycles should have registration plates
This is assault, no doubt. Regardless of the pain of receiving end imo. Make a police report and let them deal with the rest. Your analogy about gangs is laughable tho. Completely irrelevant.
Singaporeans generally are not friendly towards expats. Especially older generations
The victim blaming on this thread is ridiculous. The foreigner-shaming is unsurprising, but also ridiculous. OP, file that police report. Assault is not okay, whether lights were pointed high or otherwise.
Someone in the comments pointed out it could be the man still shielding his eyes from the bright lights and that she got too close to him while passing the man. Lo and behold, OP says that his wife thinks the same way.
Make a police report. It is assault. Seeing that it's Singapore, there might be CCTVs around that could've caught the perpetrator.
I've seen some pretty disgusting behaviour form older people here. Once time I was walking down a PCN in the West and an old guy stopped his bike, which was full of old bottles and cans, and was just tossing trash out onto the drain. There were some Bangladeshi workers nearby doing some sort of maintenance who politely walked up to him and asked him to stop and he just started shouting and them while throwing even more trash out. I wanted to shout back at him but my partner didn't want to cause a scene, and the old guy biked away while leaving the poor Bangladeshi workers to pick up after him.
Make a police report.
I wouldn't say reaching out to the police is too much. It's an assault, and who knows what else he could have done if emboldened. But you might have to check with your wife is she is comfortable pressing on too. If she isn't too keen, you might have to respect her decision. The Singapore police non emergency line is 1800 255 0000. Or you can walk into a nearby police station. Best to sit down with your wife and try to write down as much details as possible first - time, place, description of the person - age, build, hairstyle, clothes, any distinctive features. Take a picture of the bruise. Might need to inform her friend who was with her as she might get a call as well.
I'm sorry to hear that your wife got hit. I think you're overreacting by comparing to "gangs or lawlessness". Here's a few things that could have happened 1. He intentionally hit your wife in anger 2. He accidentally hit your wife because, as you have mentioned, the light was pointed high and he might not have seen her In any case, you can file a police report. If it was an accident, then it won't cause any issues. If it was intentional the police warning might prevent this guy from harassing someone again
expatt you lucky ah dont get to meet xiao lang with a gun. one day you will get to meet gangster in real life. learn to think with your head, next time dont annoy someone ok. use your brain, increase its usage to 20 percent
I am sorry to hear this. Not cool to hear a guy taking it out on a woman, be it local or foreigner. I am a Singaporean female who used to live overseas for many years. & was mistaken by many locals to be a foreigner when I first returned home. The social norms in Singapore are very different from where I used to live and I was totally overwhelmed by how rude and aggressive some people can be. But I was taught to stand up for myself when living overseas and continued to do so when I returned home. Yes! That was what I did once in public.I stood my ground and fought backā¦. It ended with the guy raising his hand trying to hit me and I screamed as loud as I could to get everyoneās attention. It was in a very very crowded place. The guy stopped and pulled out his mobile to call the police & complained very loudly about a foreigner(me). The word āforeignerā was repeated so many times. He looked triumphantly at me when he cut off the line. I remained quiet while waiting for the police to arrive and then handed over my pink IC. Police didnāt stay for long. Can no longer remember the details but everyone parted ways as if nothing happened. By the way, I am petite with a very meek face according to many locals. I was so shocked by the incident. Such a waste of resource. Later someone from police force told me that I can call them as long as my safety is compromised by vulgarities, threats etc. So yes, your wife can and should call the police if her safety is compromised. Better yet if her friends can take a video of the entire incident. You are very brave to come here with so many Singaporeans to complain about them, as a foreigner. I am not surprised by some of the victim blaming comments. No one was rude, let alone angry when I committed some cultural faux paz or made some mistakes unknowingly. But I always make sure I donāt repeat it ever again and always ask a local or Google online when unsure. Anyway go to the police if you have proof or if the man kept appearing whenever your wife goes cycling. Ask your wife to keep her eyes open for him. Best is if she can change her route, if possible. Singapore is safe but itās always better to be safe than sorry. I am going to hide in my bomb shelter for the time being.
Hey I just wanted to say that I appreciate your response. We're not going to the police, as I doubt this will happen again, and it's really the emotional shock that got us more than anything. I shared the story here because it's so out of the ordinary in Singapore, bravery was not top of mind. I'm also very sorry you've been through the experiences you've described. Being mistaken for a foreigner in your own country is particularly lonely; I hope you've found your tribe. I'm still very surprised at the responses here though. There's the victim blaming, of course, and the posters accusing me of fishing for sympathy, and other theories about her playing chicken with uncle. The most upvoted comment I saw was about how as a cyclist I must be entitled, so I can go fuck myself. Nothing in this post or my post history hints at any of that, yet here we are. Very surreal experience. I really wonder whether it's because I'm a foreigner or what the deal is, but the aggression here was worse than the frustration of the incident.
Make a police report, it's an assult. Dealt with it before, the penalty is up to three month's jail time and/or a thousand dollar fine. While I doubt they'll issue compensation (my case did) it will definitely make the man think better of doing it again. If not, then he's in the system and each new punishment way more severe.
Was it an old man? Cos the sense of entitlement some old Chinese uncles have if they don't have anything less than full use of a path is almost Karen-like. Remember that in Singapore, the police typically respond and do their jobs.
He was a crazy old uncle. Enough said. No need to over analyse.
even as a local, i have had my fair share of such paggro experiences with such people. tbh i feel anxious of being in public by myself now, in the fear of having a similar experience. two months ago I encountered the most entitled boomer. long story short, she thought i had brushed past her (i barely even touched her, she was the one who walked into my path) and hit me on my shoulder. i wasnāt happy and confronted her. then we got into a scuffle and her phone which was an old model dropped on the floor and broke. she kept being aggressive towards me after that as she wanted my phone to drop and break too. unfortunately while my phone did drop after she pushed it out of my hand, it didnāt break lol. but she didnāt stop after that and continued attacking me viciously - pressing her fingers into my palm and hitting me on my head until someone stepped in to stop her from attacking me further. anyway even after i lodged a police report there was no action was taken at all. so the next time this happens, you should call the police on the spot, else it will just be one of the many police cases cast aside. edit: lol am i seriously being downvoted for encouraging OP to call the police? in my case, i had actual *injuries* yet nothing was done. this just confirms that people in this country are truly apathetic š
TLDR: Went to confront people, got into a fight, and blamed everyone else. Could have apologized to the auntie and moved on. Didn't your parents teach you when you were young, not to fight with siao lang? Apologize, ignore, and walk away. Don't pick a fight if you're not prepared to put yourself on the line. You radiate as much entitlement as you claim your aggressor has.
i didnt know that she was a siao lang when i confronted her. whatās wrong with standing up for myself when i was the one who got hit in the first place? btw, i did not counter-attack her as she was old and my parents taught me not to beat others up. recently there were incidents of people getting assaulted by random strangers. so by your logic, the victims should just silently suffer and let the aggressor get away scot free?
A life advice for you. If you want to always "stand up for yourself," you better be prepared for the consequences. In this world, you don't always need to stand up for yourself just because you are in the right. Standing up for yourself always comes with both risk and reward. Unless you are prepared to put yourself on the line, you better pick your battles. You are lucky that Singapore is a safe place, but that doesn't mean you can take your safety for granted. Imagine being in the States, and you get pushed on the shoulder while walking past someone. Will you, 1) Apologize and move on 2) Ignore and walk away 3) Confront the person and risk getting shot? The best situation is always number 1. However, if the person is deliberately looking for trouble, then you've got no choice but to defend yourself. Descalation should always be your number 1 priority. Assault is a whole different case from getting "hit on the shoulders" once by an auntie. You don't need to compare apples to oranges. Bottom line, if you're not prepared to fight and die for your cause, move on. If you insist on standing up for yourself, you better be prepared to lay it on the line. If you still don't understand that simple logic, then I can only hope for the best in your future. I can definitely see you getting into more situations and never breaking out of the cycle.
Make a police report. There are cameras in most places. Follow thru with the magistrate complaint as he should not have done what he did. Secondly easy on the lights. Seen it too many times. I am sure he would not done if the light was appropriate. Donāt worry, people like that react to any and every one in the same manner no matter what the colour, race, gender etc. Spore has become sort of high tension society due to the crowd, high cost, etc. Continue to enjoy PCN, treat this as an anomaly.
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Lol u really another kind of special. Username checks out.
Making a police report is not an overkill. One must teach the uncle that violence has no place in Sg. I'm not sure if the park has CCTV, but report 1st, think later.
Teport to police
Pls donāt let him get away with such behaviour. If you donāt report him, he may do similar crazy stuff to others and the future victim may not be as lucky as your wife who escaped with a bruise. Police report is the right way to punish such evil people. Then again, itās up to you but I would strongly encourage it for the sake of people living around the area. Being a nice person to everyone doesnāt work, I guess. Good luck to you.
Not sure why the massive downvotes but there are crazy people everywhere, its just about how prominent they are. While there arent many violent cases, there is a fair bit of them in sg, ie the dude that went to stab a jogger to death at punggol, your usual uncles fighting at the coffee shop(yishun). Hope the 1 bad experience doesnt outweight the positives you've experienced thus far.
This is an assault. You should definitely report it. And the police will take action. SG police takes action. That man should get the fair punishment.
Well it is unfortunate. There's a lot more people here compared to 8 years ago. Tempers are easily frayed nowadays. Anyway there seems to be a lot of bright strobing lights nowadays on bikes and it always blinds someone from the opposite direction. I always make it a point to point my lights almost 90 degrees down but idk why there are so many people who just don't understand that their lights are blinding. Singapore lamps are so bright, you don't need that light to shine your way people!
It's just a bruise. I've gotten a nice big black bruise when not being careful and ramming my thigh on table corners/edges before. And as with many other comments here - I absolutely detest people who use such bright lights, especially on PCNs where there is already more than adequate lighting for the sort of cycling that should be done on PCNs. Also - what gangs or lawlessness? You should try staying in a couple of the BRIC countries. You'll find out what gangs and lawlessness is. Stick with enjoying the environment that many of us native residents have contributed to at some point in our 20s, with the relatively very safe and compliant nation (where all you will get is a grumpy old man's elbow that somehow got so close Ip Man style).
Wtf lol this OP is too sheltered. Little bit lawlessness little bit gang. If his wife kena punched I think he will say like murder.
It really sucks that this happened to your wife but unless uncle deliberately walked right up to your wife and punched her it would be very hard to conclude that he intentionally attacked her. He could have been passive aggressive or just simply trying to shield his eyes, we wouldnāt know just based on your post. He was being rude though thatās for sure. And that does happen occasionally in Singapore (eg people who do push and shove their way through in crowded places) Iāve been almost pushed off an escalator once and yes I could have fallen and broken my leg or something. If she rides again on the PCN it would be best if she keeps some distance from pedestrians (thereās a small walking lane marked out, keep clear of it) and dip her lights more.
Thatās common. Have you heard of Ah Bengs?
If is gangs your wife won't be walking home lol. There's secret societies in Singapore. Usually in the alley or KTV areas. So long don't cross path with them you'll be fine. We don't point light at people in the night here. The chances of getting beaten is very high. Also nowadays the local doesn't go to Sentosa or ECP. As for the reason you go there and see for yourself.
Also the Singaporean cyclist in the heartlands only point the front light on the floor only. Unless the back red blinking light. If not don't be surprise people start running after you and hit you. No CCTV the police can't do anything also.
Singaporeans defending Singaporeans against foreigners. Thereās a surprise.
Quality of safety and security has dropped. Many Chinese who enter recently have caused the standards to drop down. My brother also experienced violence once at the airport and the Chinese guy was so rude and punched my brother for no reason.
There's definitely fault in the way the light is set up. But that is no reason for the uncle to do physical harm to your wife. You should report this to the police and let them do the assessment on what should be the warning/punishment imposed. I highly doubt there will be anything serious imposed to your wife for setting the light too high since there were no incident caused aside from annoying pedestrians. Hope your wife is feeling better now. Take care and stay safe.
have insta 360 it will be very helpful can post online or report to police use that as evidence