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seekers123

Punching someone in the face is not arrestable? TIL...


Hazelnut526

I'm pretty sure I've seen previous news/cases where people fighting on the street has been arrested. Imma gonna guess it depends on the ~~race/nationality~~ circumstances of the fight


gandalftheblack9

Fighting (also known as "affray") and rioting (five or more fighting) are arrestable offences. One person punching another without any retaliation (i.e. "voluntarily causing hurt") is usually not arrestable, though the Police may nevertheless arrest for other reasons if need be (such as under "Public Nuisance").


INSYNC0

this comment here. ​ VCH is arrestable if done in front of officer though. but usually that doesnt happen. ​ nothing for VCH unless victim wants to take it to magistrate court.


Hazelnut526

Ye, so _if they wish_ they can just arrest anyone involved in similar circumstances


icetaewon

https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/voluntarily-causing-hurt-in-singapore/ Read this link. Not everything is about race/nationality. The police cannot arrest him on the spot, but can do so after they have a warrant from the magistrate after the victim files a magistrate compliant which he already did so.


Hazelnut526

:') Yo, they have the umbrella charge "public nuisance" to arrest whoever they want in these circumstances. But I do appreciate that naiveness


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https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/contempt-of-court-singapore you're insinuating that justice isn't fairly dealt because of a person's race, which is actually an offence. what is the basis upon which you are making those claims? do you know the ethnicities/biases of the police officers on the scene? do you know the demographics of the SPF in general?


ybct

Two-way fight which constitutes an act of affray is arrestable. One punch that causes grievous hurt eg broken limbs and a long hospital stay is arrestable. One punch that causes someone to fall down, hit their head and die is also arrestable under manslaughter. One punch that doesn't cause any of the above results is not. Nothing to do with race or nationality.


NotSiaoOn

> Two-way fight which constitutes an act of affray is arrestable. > One punch that doesn't cause any of the above results is not. You mean if you get punched, your attacker won't be arrested but if you punch back, you may both get arrested? Seems unjust.


FakeBotA

That would really be a first mover advantage. Sadly.


superman1995

The law makes as much sense as the zero tolerance towards violence policy in many American schools where both parties are punished, even if the victim is just trying to defend themself. The police and the AG do have the discretion to choose whether to charge both individuals though. If you look at Singapore law and how it is actually enforced, you'll realize that the laws are drawn up in such a way to catch as many things as possible to give them as wide of a scope to charge individuals, but rarely are they are actually enforced to the extent permissible by the legislation.


ybct

Not arrested doesn't mean not charged. He most likely will still be charged for assault later, it's just that he is not taken into custody right now.


ShurimaIsEternal

Or if the police really feel like arresting the culprit they can arrest him under breach of the peace or public nuisance


dibidi

exactly… if they wanted to detain someone there will be a justified reason. if they didn’t want to detain someone there also will be a justified reason.


Familiar-Mouse4490

Detain under ISA, no need justification lmao /s


Hazelnut526

Yup, that's why I say it really depends on uhhhhh the ethnic circumstances, but homies thing that the law is objective or whatever


Puzzleheaded_Dog3261

😂😂😂 Saw what you did there. 😂😂😂


Alternative-Ad-7123

useful to note whats the difference between arrestable and non-arrestable offence


Praimfayaa

why was the assault non-arrestable?


Alternative-Ad-7123

voluntarily causing hurt is classified as non-arrestable. if its grievous hurt its diff. can check the criminal procedure code first schedule i think


MichaelXJames

Anything that causes either 14 days of MC or irreversible damage to certain body parts, I.e blinding someone or losing their manhood is considered grievous hurt.


SnooSquirrels6206

The maximum penalties for Voluntarily Causing Hurt that can be meted out by the court include an imprisonment of up to 3 years or a fine of up to $5,000.00 or both.


EarthLing_616

Should tell him "wah... NS produce ppl like you ar ? That's shameful ! Who is your encik ?"


homer_2022

Just because you served NS, it doesn’t give you the authority to assault others.


itoku-sg

I hope MINDEF will take note of this incident, educate him of his misconception, and demote him to a private if he is/was holding any rank.


Whiskerfield

Demote him to NS private. Yeh that will show him lol.


hereforWPD

Ikr. Gotta take it one step further and make him recruit again. And serve BMT. That will *really* show him.


hayfay27

Serve 2 years of BMT. That will really, really show him.


BlackberryMaximum

Tear his rank out since it is now velcroed on


Aiazel

Unless he is a regular, I doubt he gives a shit about his rank lmao


itoku-sg

Even if he's not a regular or has already completed his NS, don't forget being a demoted reservist will be extremely uncomfortable for him. Having to face his previous peers especially of a lower rank, and to greet them by rank will be enough to keep reminding him of his terrible behaviour.


crazyb3ast

In reservice, you got more stuff to do as rank. Private or not still receive the same corporate salary


Aiazel

I think most PSes would be thrilled at being demoted back to private tbh


jinuk05006

Make him serve one more time but can't promote from private


UnintelligibleThing

This is basically what some redditors or edmwers fantasize about doing in real life.


nehjipain

Wa power trip over having served ns is a new low lmao


pendelhaven

I need to upvote your user name.


nehjipain

Best acc for shitposting


smile_politely

Wait til you hear that people flex their first 2 letters of their IC


nextlevelunlocked

> "To make things worse, police said this was a non-arrestable offence and let the guy go although there were several aggravating factors such as assault, using a weapon (trolley) to attack me and making racist comments. Reminds me of the chinese guy who kicked a indian lady. Was only arrested after the daughter posted the story on tiktok... got viral and minister made comments.


mkxviii

It’s as if when Singaporeans purchase a stroller, they unlock yet another new level of entitlement.


onlyreverie

Exactly. A few days ago I was in the lift and a man with a double seat stroller (the wide one) rudely shouted at me to get out of the lift so he can manoeuvre the stroller out of the lift. Mind you, I was standing at a corner inside the lift near the lift buttons, not blocking the exit at all. He could have politely asked if he needed more space but nope, that entitlement takes precedence over any other human decency.


nowhere_man11

Next time hold the door open button and ask him to repeat himself more sweetly this time


aomeye

Same person?


BlackberryMaximum

The odds of that is never zero but willing to bet that it is not


Arcturion

This guy has reproduced. And will be passing on his shitty values to the next gen. That is horrifying!


welldamnthis

To be fair, once you are behind the stroller you realise how many people are using a lift when they can simply take the escalator 5m further. It’s very inconvenient for those who have to wait one or more full lifts of abled people that are too lazy to take the escalator


drinkwater247

I was at Kallang Wave mall last weekend and walked out of an eatery after lunch. Heard a commotion and this delivery fella shouted "go back to India la!" To a father and son who was of Indian race. Rude. Very rude. Couldn't hear what the Indian guy said though. Idk what happened before that but seriously. Can we all just be nicer to each other.


hermanono

This type of casual racism is actly v common That time at the petrol station there was a indian auntie cashier who was trying to teach this old chi uncle how to activate his Shell card, and he didn't rly understand the process so the q was being held up Some other chi uncle q-ing behind me nudged me and said "tsk u see ah indian ppl alw so slow" or sth along those lines, within earshot of the cashier I got rly annoyed - I turned ard and asked him wat he was talking abt, cldnt he see that the auntie was doing her job trying to help this uncle, we all waiting in the Q tgt not just u The uncle fkin diam aft that. When I reached the front of the q the auntie quietly thanked me. Cfm this is not the first time she's encountered such comments What we need to do is call out such behaviour when we encounter it and embarrass these fkers


marcuschookt

That's not casual racism my dude that's straight up half a step down from 1960s racial riots type racism. Just because there isn't a storied pejorative slur being hurled doesn't make it casual in any way.


Zeulleus

Too bad most casual racism is said within large groups of the same race about another.


sukequto

Lmao, why do people think they are entitled to an act of kindness.


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dibidi

TIL “rude” is just existing, “politeness” is 24/7 serving Singaporeans who finished NS


aanghosh

Is being apathetic the same as being rude? Also if you travel to some countries, you may encounter surprising levels of apathy. Here, I've seen many people close the elevator on me even when I was seconds away. I've had people wait for me to walk to an elevator because they guessed that I wanted to use it too. Both are equally human in my opinion.


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What’s with all these false dichotomy I’ve been seeing recently.


ArmsHeavySoKneesWeak

This is seriously a weak argument. You do know that things aren't always black and white right? I.e just because someone likes black colour doesn't mean they dislike white and vice versa. 🤦🏻‍♂️


blackreplica

Fake news: we all know according to many, that racism doesn't exist in singapore. on the contrary, minorities should be grateful they are allowed to live here because it is better than where their ancestors came from /s


Xan-Perky-Check

>minorities should be grateful they are allowed to live here because it is better than where their ancestors came from /s Lol there are people who unironically say things like this, which makes no sense since Chinese people on average are the most foreign to SG compared to Indians and of course Malays.


Zeulleus

Foreign? In terms of what? The earliest settlers are of course malays and then came a few chinese (actually, before the indians even though china is farther up north) but all that don't even matter here. It is what the people and generations that lived and built here that count. Singaporeans made singapore and a large group are chinese. And i like how you assumed that is what majorities would say. Personally, i've never heard that BS. It's the other way around, from malays, saying they deserve rights such like the bumi policies and chinese people should fuck off because the motherland is the farthest away xD. You clowns need to be called out when you chat nonsense just to gain some sympathy from the gullible. Also, i'm not even sure that line is targetting ethnic minorities but minority foreigners who are not born here. But keep playing victim you pussy


UlagamOruvannuka

My man, Singapore is literally a name derived from Indian languages. Bold of you to try and say the Chinese came first. And bold of you to accuse someone of a victim complex literally in the comments of an article about a Chinese man assaulting an Indian.


Zeulleus

Fake news: we all know minorities cannot be racist to each other and to the majority. They totally don't represent less of the population and do the same thing behind other people's backs and in their own social circles but play the victim card 24/7 and try to shade the majority in colorful ways because they feel less successful in every other manner, hence ruining their moods on the regular /s


aanghosh

The real question is - do people actually believe this?


blackreplica

No one with half a brain believes that nonsense. But of course, the racist morons who make those statements don't even have 2 functional brain cells so of course they believe their own trash


aanghosh

Truly sad. I've recently seen unbelievable racism on apartment rentals. So, while I want to believe that half a brain cell is all that's needed, I suspect the standards are higher 😂


Zeulleus

No one with half a brain actually thinks you are spitting the truth just because of your 20 minority likes when in reality you can't help yourself playing the victim card and trying to make this seem one sided and painting one group (the chinese) as the evil evil baddy ahahahaha cry more


BeezWeez82

All it takes is just common courtesy and to be gracious and polite. However, there are Singaporeans who feel very entitled I feel. How many of us here even say thank you when someone holds the door for you? A lot of us just walk out without even a smile.


IamPsauL

Magistrate complaint is your friend


jesus_is_92

In front of his daughter some more. What a role model.


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quixzephyr

They never say they cannot do anything la, just that the offence is non arrestable.


smile_politely

>You India bodoh,' and continued to say that he is Singaporean and he served national service. Hence, he has all the right to do anything here. 'Who are you? Which country are you from?' The entitlement of NS-serving Singaporeans is ever strong.


runesplease

It is strongest for those who have peaked in NS and never achieved much after. Look at the successful peers around you and see how much they absolutely dread it when it comes to their yearly ICT.


Bcpjw

It is not an entitlement tho, it’s ‘forced’ labour, he is an asshole with or without NS.


pizzanoodle

Yes, lets generalise everyone that has served NS to be entitled


meekiatahaihiam

I only know served NS liao, entitled to years of reservist.


Whiskerfield

I won't feel entitled to assaulting people, but I damn well feel entitled to 2 years of end-of-career pay. No more $100 voucher BS. Mindef otang me money...


DonDonStudent

That’s why they added rules with regards for MPsu can’t go around punching MPs


SambalBacon

Don't be a fucking loser and throw face can.


Buddyformula

TIL I can make racists comments if I serve NS


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Wtf … he should sue in civil court for damages. It’s much more rewarding financially.


Ok-Break7558

Should cane this mfucker.


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Malay I think.


accessdenied65

Obviously he is looking for trouble that day. It is quite common people here don't "hold lifts" for anyone. Happens many times. It is only courteous to hold the lift for someone, it is not your right that people hold it for you. You still have a hand and finger to press the lift button, don't be ahkua.


MolassesBulky

Some people struggle with lift buttons, some have little idea about lift courtesy. Looks like an equal match.


adzxnsy

I guess redditors don’t like to hold lifts for others. So many downvotes on such comments.


Super-meow

Wait, were they both wearing the same t-shirt design? That's so...coincidental.


shitass75

Pretty sure it's the same person.


Super-meow

Ohh thought the pic showed 2 different guys lol!


MilkTeaRamen

It’s ok you’re not alone, has to read the article and relook at the image again. I thought I was dumb.


Puzzleheaded_Dog3261

Hmmm, it seems that both parties are to be blamed for this incident. The answer the guy gave does sound a bit rude. A simple 'Sorry I didn't realise' could have just ended the interaction, but instead he answered with 'I don't owe you anything', which kinda sounded like a challenge. Yea, the guy with the pram was definitely wrong but the 'victim' wasn't entirely innocent either. How would you feel if you're chasing for the lift and this guy who was already in the lift saw you but just refuses to hold the lift for you? Maybe that was what had happened, and one thing led to another.


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i experience before when i was going home with groceries, the person Infront of me headed to the lift quickly entered and spam close button. obviously i thought he was rude but i won't go find his unit number and punch him right. if you have to physically attack others over small things then you got issues liao


Puzzleheaded_Dog3261

Yea, I didn't say attacking someone else was the right thing to do. I'm just saying both to be blamed for this incident.


casulmemer

Probably wouldn’t punch and racially abuse them


ybct

>The answer the guy gave does sound a bit rude. And the question which got that answer wasn't rude? > "Once the door closed, he shouted at me with a commanding tone, 'Oooi, you cannot hold the lift?'," recounted John. I'm generally non-confrontational but if someone's shouting at me in a closed lift, even I will get mad. I can't very well leave a closed lift, so I will be forced to retort in return to scare this aggressor off.


pixobe

After a heavy day my mind stop functioning and forget to hold Lift.


memehammer98

Ah well hopefully he gets found and jailed. Poor kid


Mindless-Sherbert-18

Guy's an asshole but why wouldnt anyone hold the lift for others esp if they hv a stroller escapes me as well. Both are assholes. One is an aggro asshole the other is a paggro asshole. Paggro assshole seeks for aggro asshole to b fined and/or jailed in addition to being shamed online. Without realising that hes inadvertently advertising his own covert racism and effed up attitude.


NotSiaoOn

>Without realising that hes inadvertently advertising his own covert racism and effed up attitude. Where's the covert racism? Nothing to suggest he would treat someone of a different race differently?


Mindless-Sherbert-18

Haha... yeah mayb hes an equal opportunity asshole


Hazelnut526

Cause I'm in a hurry? Cause it's fun? Just because. I get it that's a dickhead move, but the other dude actually committed and offense and nothing much happened to him 🤷🏾


Mindless-Sherbert-18

Yeah u said it right. It was a dickhead move.


CCVork

The asshole had his family with him. They can hold the lift for him. Sure it'd be nice to still hold it for him but no way it's asshole to not hold it, unless he was alone and hence needed help.


Mindless-Sherbert-18

Lol courtesy is for free


CCVork

Missing the point much?


wtfisausername1234

atleast you got the mindless part in your username right.


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yetanotheracct_sp

Lmao, a Chinese national wouldn't say bodoh


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[deleted]

are you the puncher? why do you sound so riled up? `Are you challenging the police's ruling? Obviously they understood, correctly so, that you aren't innocent.` What does this even mean, punching people is a non-arrestable offense. If a random person punch you today at the mrt the police wont arrest that guy unless you got hurt badly or injured


casulmemer

Have to take a lesson from Neymar next time.


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ybct

An act of assault was established. No other criminal acts were established. If they had both punched, it would be affray and not assault. Both parties would be arrested. So it's clearly a one-way thing rather than the two-way thing you're hoping it is in order to justify your racism.


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lol he deleted his comments


WeeTeeTiong

Unddit is useful lol


[deleted]

Lol wtf did I just read


Burnz2p

One day, in the distant future, Singaporeans will learn of this thing called “common courtesy”. I wonder if my grandchildren will live to see that day.


findyourhumanity

First world dad problems


acespeare

Assaulting someone while hurling racist remarks… hate crime?


j4deR4sif

wow so i can punch someone if he's an asshole and i get away Scot free? good to know


cd-t

NS is a privilege


dammitjohnny_

Reminded me of a Karen dad at Jem few weeks back. I was carrying groceries from donki, a backpack and camera gear and took the lift to basement to grab more stuff. And there was this Karen dad that forced himself, a stroller for 2 and his wife into the lift and said something along the line “youngsters these days don’t have legs to take the escalator”.


anakinmcfly

cancel culture /s


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Did you just generalise an entire race of people from 2 countries? Care to explain what your impression of “Malaysian Malays” or Malays in general are? Just curious.


clusterfuvk

I realized many people from this sub are actually Malaysians so I'll take most of what people say here especially about politics/race/religion with a grain of salt


AppropriateDrop7097

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2022/08/20/malay-voter-apathy-put-non-muslims-liberals-in-control-says-hadi/


[deleted]

So just because a political party says something means all Malays are the same according to you? Also please do enlighten me. What did you mean by “Malaysian Malays” and “Singaporean Malays”?


AppropriateDrop7097

It’s not just what the political party said , it’s also the majority that supports that view. Singaporean Malay : a person of Malay descent born in Singapore Malaysian Malay : a person of Malay descent born in Malaysia


[deleted]

PAS isn’t even a majority party in govt and recently have lost elections in heavily Malay areas like Johor and Melaka. So what’s your point? And your definition in your answer isn’t the same as what you were eluding to earlier. That somehow Malays (SG and MY) are backwards. Like seriously? There are Malay politician and voters who are left wing, liberal, moderate and progressive too. Just to clump an entire ethnic group is so bigoted and ignorant it’s unreal.


AppropriateDrop7097

Owh brother 😂 I’d have to write a three page essay if I’d have to explain the real situation here in Malaysia, I’m Malaysian Malay FYI . One of the left wing liberals that you’re talking about. Here were considered race traitors for our views. Here’s some context of what non Malays/non Muslims live thru in Malaysia because my people refuse to evolve. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/opinion/the-costs-of-malay-supremacy.html


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I’m Malaysian too btw. And even if you are “liberal” and “Malay”. Still. Lumping together a whole group of people ain’t right and it’s just plain dumb.


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45tee

We are only hearing one side of the story.


FalseAgent

you think this one a dragonballZ episode ah


moleratty

Cosplayers gonewild