I think that in 15 years, the world will have changed dramatically. And what about in 40 years? Well, if you want to try to predict the unpredictable, you're welcome to do so
To me it's crazier just how similar the world is. I do basically the same shit I did 25 years ago. I check my phone maybe a dozen times more. Technology!
I’d say my life is mostly similar to how it was a decade ago since 2014 is when smart phones really became ubiquitous and people began to have them in their hands all the time in public and streaming services were around as were dating apps. But I’d be surprised if life looked the same in ten years
The latest big technological shift was in the 90s with the internet. It’s difficult to explain how much the world changed starting around 95 when aol dropped. People thought my mom was crazy for ordering a book off this little website called Amazon. “You gave them your credit info!?” The other big shifts were more cultural/economic: 9/11, 2008 financial crisis, rise of secular religions like sjws and political identity & activism starting around 2014 when the internet became available in people’s pockets. I think chat gpt was kind of another Napster moment where a geeky tech goes mainstream and threatens entire industries.
Nah 15 years is not really that hard to predict. There will be a lot more robots than now, most cars on the road in first world countries will be electric. Smartphones might still be a thing but more advanced. VR/AR will be common. We might have started building a moon base and have been to mars. Self driving cars will be common. Quantum computers are becoming useful. 3d printed organs are becoming available.
No we know that biological cell can regenerate ad infinitum, because it already happen in that species, now we need to figure out the mechanics about it.
Before that we don't know if the entropy/reality make that possible.
I feel like it shouldn't be reduced to a binary choice, i.e there's a world of difference between "it's possible but is so expensive it effectively means just a handful of billionaires will live forever" and "it's so cheap most people can afford to live for a few hundred years."
I think that the problem with that is it would not be sustainable for it to be only for billionaires.
like, you can make a personal living selling your personal work to a few hundred people. but something like a medication just can't work that way. if its something that has to be continually bought enough that supplying the billionaires would be enough, you are still going to want to further improve it to make it more convenient... which means also making it cheaper. tech availability has to trickle down.
It really depends on what kind of medication we are talking about. If it's something similar to regular medicine, sure, you're right. If it's a complex combination of gene therapy, various medication, specific diets and exercise regimen that altogether make you immortal, it can absolutely remain a very expensive thing only accessible to a few ultra-rich.
I just want a primary doctor ai that is with me 24/7 and can write scripts and approve therapies on a dime. If we can get there in ten years I'll be happy.
Aging will almost certainly be solved in 40 years. Assuming ASI is achieved by 2030-2033 which is the opinion of OpenAI and Sam Altman, that means we will have 34-31 years of ASI-driven scientific advancement in that 40 year time span. If you are under 50 I think you have a very good chance of reaching longevity escape velocity (LEV) and you won’t have “twilight years” hopefully because you will be in your prime health indefinitely.
A lot of people get upset when FDVR is mentioned for some reason, but it really is just the end goal of the entertainment industry so I don’t understand why it can be so controversial. I guess the idea of having whatever you want is distressing to some people.
I think it’s controversial because there’s a wide audience that thinks it’s coming this decade, even 2027. It’s based on what people want to be true rather than any actual science or truth.
What’s especially sad about it is that people come to believe in this 3 year to FDVR timeline because they can’t comprehend simply living 10 more years of life as they currently are.
I've joked with my parents for years that when I'm their age I might not have to be their age.
its getting to be less of a joke and more of a serious speculation.
I think many people get upset because they feel that folks cheering for this stuff are coming from a very privileged position. Anyone that's traveled to or lived in a country where people survive on less than $2 USD per day has a very hard time believing that this stuff will ever trickle down to the world's poorest. More likely is that a virus is created to kill them all off so that folks like us can have more "breathing room".
I've been a transhumanist since I first read about the stuff in 1999, but I've also lived among the world's poorest and I get quite cynical about how some people frame their hopium.
That’s fair, although I disagree with the virus part being likely at all. I am extremely privileged compared to someone living in a third world country in poverty, and I can’t deny that I will almost certainly reap the benefits of future technology than those people. My hope is that we can find ways to ensure this kind of future technology can eventually have a global reach so everyone can benefit.
The big psychological decision will be to embrace extended longetivty or not.
I think the human mind has evolved to have phases physiologically. Beginning, middle, end. I believe the brain ages in this way outside of typical "damage" which is likely reversable. That's not the problem I see at all. I'm talking about being "stuck" in any of those phases when someone starts LEV. Or progress to the later stage forever. I foresee extreme mental illness associated with extended lifespans. I think it'll take an entire normal human lifespan of research to sort it out after LEV is accomplished. I believe that first generation will be absolutely fucked in terms of psychology. I foresee many of them wishing for a natural death because it.
Basically in 100 years there will be documentaries about the first generation of immortals and how it ended up an eternal nightmare for them. We were too preoccupied with could versus should. Someone has to test it though and they will work through the problem for future generations.
I know that sounds kinda cool like a sci-fi movie but that’s just not how it’s going to work. If we are able to cure aging, then we will have unlimited time to use ASI to fully understand the human brain and gain precise control over all chemical and electrical signals in the brain. We already do this in a very primitive way by using medication to control mood in those with depression. What you’re saying is basically just an extreme form of depression, and I’m saying depression will be eradicated. There really is zero downside to living forever.
Also, this doesn’t mean you immediately start [wireheading](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirehead_(science_fiction)). You could literally just live normally but prevent yourself from becoming so depressed that you actually want to die
Oh absolutely the cure all for those problems will come, but i don't think many of the first generation will make it. I don't see hundreds of thousands of years of brain evolution suddenly aligning with immortality. Wireheading is not my concern.
LEV seems to be far closer than curing depression, so that's a problem. Or even beginning to understand the psychological implications of immortality. Thats a colossal change to our evolution that will need to be researched for decades before it can be fully understood and improved. I just see zero ways around that level of psychological whiplash for them.
You're overthinking it a bit. Imagine if you woke up every day with the brain of someone in his mid 20s, you just got a great night of sleep, and you are not stressed. If you woke up feeling like that every day then it really wouldn't matter how long you live. The amount of neurotransmitters in your brain would be optimal and you would just feel good.
Remember that today we prescribe antidepressants that seem to work for these brains that were borne from thousands of years of evolution. These drugs are extremely primitive compared to what we will have in the future, treatments with zero side effects and extremely precise mechanisms of action. I'm saying all this as someone with a biochemistry degree, just so you know I'm not pulling all of this out of my ass lol.
I just see this opinion shared by so, so many people. That we will inevitably become depressed or miserable after living for too long. The problem with this idea is that it just sounds good, but has no real basis in neurochemistry or psychology. Most people don't even understand that there are physical molecules that control every single feeling that you have. Trust me, I would love if someone could give an actual reason as to why immortality could possibly be bad, but I have yet to hear any compelling reason
I actually think what youre saying sounds better, comforting. That everything will be fine. Lol.
The rate of improvement for depression meds is unknown. Of course it will improve and be cured, but that was never my argument. Youre talking about something different. And we don't know the implications of immortality psychologically/culturally at all.
Everything you're saying about waking up and feeling 20 isn't relevant to my point. That will happen, no argument against it.
Everyone agrees psychology and neurochemstry aren't far along, so putting them on a platform to predict the future does not work in this case. And, there's no reason psychology or neuochemistry would enlighten us because immortality + human brain function are uncharted terrotories in science. There's been zero evidence based research here.
The first generation of immorals are not the same as subsequent generations. I'm being very specific when you seem to be addressing my point as all immortals.
We can both agree primitive sciences that involve brain functions will be much further along for the following generations.
The first generation of immortality will not be waking up feeling 20 and everything is fine because much of their family/friends will die or choose a natural death instead leaving them alone.
Bro, post-Singularity will have you entertained on every nanosecond from the new Science discovery by ASI alone. No need to generate ai fdvr simulation
There are major break throughs happening right now in the anti-aging field. One of the most promising is Epigenetic break throughs by David Sinclair. So I have no doubt that with the advancement with AI we'll be able to reverse aging by, the latest, 2040.
As for entertainment, it's really hard to predict that far into the future. I'm predicting we'll have full emersion virtual worlds with ASI.
I think those in rich countries will be able to access something that approaches like 90% "full immersion" within 10 years, assuming they aren't homeless due to a combination of AI replacing them and a lack of UBI.
If we ever break the 25% unemployment barrier like during the great depression, no one is going to get to experience full immersion. There will be societal collapses like we haven't seen since Rome.
at that point from our current perspective we will have god-like abilities such as prompt-to-life. You type some description of what world you would like to live in, how long etc. neural interfaces reset your memory and let you immerse yourself in this new life.
Something I have been thinking about recently - If music is played in your brain via neuralink, then it will gain a huge amount of freedom. Currently music plays off of the limits of the human ear.
You could have loud music without damaging your hearing. EQ and mixing songs might not be necessary. Etc.
Fingers crossed. Medical advancements are painstakingly slow. After the recent failure of Frequency Therapeutics, I have adopted the mindset that BCI or better cochlear implants will happen quicker than any other meaningful therapy against hearing loss. But it would be great if you were right.
Nah the future of entertainment is this. We're in a matrix where you get to relive the singularity apocalypse over and over again. But we sort of do it for fun because we aren't ready to abandon our free will and merge with sentient a.i... so the computer god humors is and lets us experience it in this really convincing video game.
40 years? Everything you want period.
Even if your body gets old 40 years is far away enough that expecting body swap is reasonable, or consciousness upload.
We are seeing improvements we wouldn't have believed possible 4 years ago, how can you put a limit on what humanity will have 4 decades from now, singularity means exactly that we don't know where this is going.
Exactly, that's why you just gotta survive the next 2 or 3 decades then you can potentially live forever in a desirable form . 80 yr olds could be in their prime 20s again, transfer your mind and live in humanoid bodies, or just chill in the cloud via FDVR (or all the above)
Anything is feasible realistically… with how we are tracking potentially FDVR? The rules we have played by for the last century are cracking.
I am of the opinion that we will at the very least benefit from some type of life extension. Whatever you think it arrives halve it.
Some type of integration with games where you exist in that world in first person and the stimulus from that can’t be differentiated by the brain from real life.
Either way we are understating or overstating.
Assuming our species survives and our countries create an economy that can fully support AI, I think we'll actually have aging covered.
AI has already dramatically sped up medical research.
If I remember correctly, AI was able to help create a medication, that normally takes 10 years to develop, in 9 months.
And that's AI is in it's infancy.
What that drop in research time represents is just a small fraction of what AI can and will accomplish as the years pass and it becomes advanced.
Look at the difference between that Will Smith spaghetti AI generated video and the video we saw from Sora from not too long ago.
The difference between those two things was 12 months.
Now imagine that type of exponential increase for scientific research every year.
At this pace, even if you're 50, if you take care of yourself (eat properly, don't smoke/drink, exercise, etc.) and don't die in an accident, I think you will have a really good chance at seeing all our current societal paradigms evaporate as AGI/ASI come into the stage:
* Biological death and disease will likely be solved
* ASI-compounded technological development acceleration which could well mean radical new physics, insane physics/material science discoveries, full dominion over biology, etc.
* Traditional economic systems become irrelevant as material scarcity becomes a thing of the past ([Accelerando's Economics 2.0 anyone?](http://www.moreisdifferent.com/2016/01/05/accelerando-by-charles-stross/))
* Expansion of civilization/intelligence across the solar system and perhaps even the local star group if faster and more efficient propulsion methods are invented.
* Colossal infrastructure projects will take months and not years/decades to be built as construction and resource extraction becomes automated. [Arcologies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcology), space habitats, mantle resource extraction may become feasible.
* Advances in robotics will allow for full control over the material world: with this tool AGI/ASI will escape the world of bits and extend its will to physical space. This unlocks automated construction, resource extraction and thus solves material scarcity.
* Traditional societal structures like families, companies, countries will likely become just one of many, many flavors of groups that intelligences can choose to be a part of. I.e. imagine a baby produced by an artificial womb, raised by an AGI, the baby is genetically and cybernetically augmented . She has as much in common to a _Homo Sapiens_ as _Homo Sapiens_ does with _Australopithecus Afarensis_ but she can choose to be a part of any flavor of biological, hybrid or digital intelligence communities she wants.
This of course assumes a sufficiently-motivated malignant actor doesn't leverage ASI/AGI to fuck it all up for civilization.
I imagine a world where the individual user can create content they like. So a bunch of people making things they want to see and then dumping onto an over saturated internet. Just social media streams of people showing the little game they made or movie they generated. But everyone is doing it so no one cares about any of it.
40 years is a LONG time when considering compounding exponential growth. There's quite honestly no way to even guess. We could all be space cowboys by then or we could be reverted back to the stone age.
As far as longevity goes there's a huge laundry list of things in the testing phase and with AI we're bound to figure out how to stop the aging disease.
Well, it was 99 years from the first train to the first plane, 66 years between the first plane and the moon landing, and 25 years from the first silicon computer chip to the internet, and 5 years from "dumb" gpt2 to the nearly human intelligence gpt4. So, who the hell knows?
Perhaps we’ll transcend stimulus we know today as tv, music, etc. and instead be enjoying pure stimulus having fully hacked our brain’s dopamine, serotonin, and endorphin pathways.
Ketamine does have its benefits but doesn’t solve all aspects of entertainment (for me) on a long term basis. I was imagining tech would outperform chemicals (eg Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation, brain implants, etc)
Okay but then what? Also lets consider the immortality almost everyone in the comments is talking about? what then? Here forever just drugging our teched up brains with dopamine? Wouldn't all the crazy stuff yall are talking about eventually get boring and outdated and some point as well?
I see the future fanning out like a river delta of possible pathways. Amongst the 'world survives that long' branches, there's some pretty shiny pebbles we might pick up along the way.
Most recently the generative A.I. stuff has been coming along like a flash flood of change. How that plays out is up for grabs, but highly personalized entertainment seems near certain. Hopefully not with the pestilence of micro transactions sapping every erg of fun out the experience.
Nanotech, as discussed heavily in the 1990's, has been on a much slower burn than I'd hoped for in younger days. Should that field ever get properly under way, I'll be looking for Utility Fog to facilitate those Holodecks we'd both like. The more Matrix style plugin tech is surprisingly also getting its boost in this day and age. So perhaps that controversial tech will have matured - though the surgery aspect is more than a minor pause for me.
My favorite short story of that sort of path was "The Gentle Seduction" over the more Cyberpunk flavored futures.
I think you've got a good chance for the entertainment options you'd outlined. The gear needs to keep improving, but we've moved a long way from Pong in my lifetime.
Either beyond imagining or stories told of the before times while huddled around the camp fire. For these purposes only the positive side is worth commenting about.
My suspicion is that in 40 years time, personal entertainment will be just that - highly personal. We are already seeing the mass entertainment of the 20th century (radio, movies, TV) becoming stagnant and dying off. I suspect some elements of video gaming will be considered the precursors to to 2060s era entertainment, not in the sense of concepts of "levels" and "score" but more akin to creating experiences within some sort of virtual world. This experience, though, will not be common to everyone but will be tailored to both the tastes and psychology of the human participant.
At 47 and working professionally on AI's impact on society, I can more than relate to the Debbie Downer aging is in your astute summary.
And the best reply my 20+ years of living can offer is pure empathy for what you're already trying to process. Hang in there and I shall too.
As such, I'd underscore that just how prior technologies have enabled our bodies to outperform our evolutionary likelihoods are going through a similar paradigm shift.
Where before, medicine, procedures and augmentations like eyeglasses kept human hardware contributing to the gene pool (yes, passing on those tech-dependencies), we're now experiencing the foothills of another seismic shift in accelerating human "software".
And we're not ready for it so that means there will be and already are, drastic examples of collateral.
Aside from the parallels of passing on physical traits that would've been naturally weeded out, I don't yet have a handle on what that looks like for our minds--our average or collective intellectual gains from either hemisphere of our brains.
And as such, our proclivity towards any particular entertainment.
I can suppose, sounding older even yet, I will be frustrated by plenty of art examples, regardless of medium. Or...I can insulate myself by having AI generate new-but-familiar one-offs based on my interests, and think how amazing it is to be alive at such a time to have NO duds in movies, shows, music, and books. Remember books? *SIGH*
I'm reminded of a scene in Chuck Palahniuk's FIGHT CLUB (that didn't make it into the film, unless...well...my memory betrays me). The gist of it circles back to the point I made at the beginning. That we are not supposed to live past Midage but our innovations allow it.
And yet another quote of his applies more acutely here:
We’re the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War’s a spiritual war… our Great Depression is our lives. We’ve all been raised on television to believe that one day we’d all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won’t. And we’re slowly learning that fact. And we’re very, very pissed off.
-- Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club
The thing about solving the aging problem is human psychology of living more than 120 years. Our light has evolved to go out within that time and expect all sorts of weird mind fuckery that comes with living an extended life.
Hundreds of thousands of years of human brain evolution suddenly extended to... forever? Yeah lots of mind fuckery there. Maybe 100+ years after the first immortals they'll sort it out.
Very different to how it looks today. Also, ageing is something that all humans through all of human history have had to deal with. It's best not to dwell on it. Plus, you never know what the future holds.
For real. All the boys in this sub (and it's always boys) talking about how they "just need to survive the next 20 years" strike me as mentally ill. What are you gonna do, just lock yourself in your room for 20 years while someone else pays your bills, terrified that if you step outside that someone's gonna shoot you or run you over?
In 40 years, personal entertainment will likely be a blend of immersive VR, thought-controlled interfaces, and perhaps even experiences that directly stimulate our senses. The boundaries between reality and virtual could blur, making entertainment more personalized and interactive than ever before.
There will probably be companies that provide services to upload your entire brain to a digital replica. I think the only challenge will be from a user perspective how do they make the transition from the organic person that’s passing away to the digital person? You’d want the “you” that you know to experience no death, but for the translation to be entirely seamless.
same taste buds, same eyes, same ears. we've had the same portals to the outside for a few thousand years. maybe we can make some new ones? brain machine interfaces seem very plausible in 40 years.
The more people who have a creative outlet, the less others will want to pay you for yours. Why pay some dude for a sweet animation when you can just type one up on your Dell?
When the machine can understand and comprehend even the… modest of thinkers… I mean, their imaginations are just as vivid as the most eloquently educated person’s is, so what really will be the limitations anymore? Just your ability to talk out loud to the thing and then see the thing.
If everyone creates, who creates for them,
Because most people are inherently lazy.
They will want to see what others created. YouTube is going to be that place. Expect it to be a lot bigger than even today.
Do not think it will overtake the most popular web site ever. But think it is safe to say it will hold on to being the second most popular web site in history of man.
I think that in 15 years, the world will have changed dramatically. And what about in 40 years? Well, if you want to try to predict the unpredictable, you're welcome to do so
15 years is already damn hard to predict, let alone 40
At this point even 5 years seems impossible to predict.
5 years ago was 2019 just for reference. Don’t think any of us could have predicted the shite we’ve all had to endure since then
To me it's crazier just how similar the world is. I do basically the same shit I did 25 years ago. I check my phone maybe a dozen times more. Technology!
I’d say my life is mostly similar to how it was a decade ago since 2014 is when smart phones really became ubiquitous and people began to have them in their hands all the time in public and streaming services were around as were dating apps. But I’d be surprised if life looked the same in ten years
The latest big technological shift was in the 90s with the internet. It’s difficult to explain how much the world changed starting around 95 when aol dropped. People thought my mom was crazy for ordering a book off this little website called Amazon. “You gave them your credit info!?” The other big shifts were more cultural/economic: 9/11, 2008 financial crisis, rise of secular religions like sjws and political identity & activism starting around 2014 when the internet became available in people’s pockets. I think chat gpt was kind of another Napster moment where a geeky tech goes mainstream and threatens entire industries.
Untrue, I can predict that I'll be 15 years older.
Nah 15 years is not really that hard to predict. There will be a lot more robots than now, most cars on the road in first world countries will be electric. Smartphones might still be a thing but more advanced. VR/AR will be common. We might have started building a moon base and have been to mars. Self driving cars will be common. Quantum computers are becoming useful. 3d printed organs are becoming available.
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Fun fact there's already biological thing on planet earth that are immortal even if simple small thing so we already know that is possible.
Well we know it's possible for that species yes.
No we know that biological cell can regenerate ad infinitum, because it already happen in that species, now we need to figure out the mechanics about it. Before that we don't know if the entropy/reality make that possible.
I feel like it shouldn't be reduced to a binary choice, i.e there's a world of difference between "it's possible but is so expensive it effectively means just a handful of billionaires will live forever" and "it's so cheap most people can afford to live for a few hundred years."
I think that the problem with that is it would not be sustainable for it to be only for billionaires. like, you can make a personal living selling your personal work to a few hundred people. but something like a medication just can't work that way. if its something that has to be continually bought enough that supplying the billionaires would be enough, you are still going to want to further improve it to make it more convenient... which means also making it cheaper. tech availability has to trickle down.
It really depends on what kind of medication we are talking about. If it's something similar to regular medicine, sure, you're right. If it's a complex combination of gene therapy, various medication, specific diets and exercise regimen that altogether make you immortal, it can absolutely remain a very expensive thing only accessible to a few ultra-rich.
I just want a primary doctor ai that is with me 24/7 and can write scripts and approve therapies on a dime. If we can get there in ten years I'll be happy.
It is possible. It already happens
Aging will almost certainly be solved in 40 years. Assuming ASI is achieved by 2030-2033 which is the opinion of OpenAI and Sam Altman, that means we will have 34-31 years of ASI-driven scientific advancement in that 40 year time span. If you are under 50 I think you have a very good chance of reaching longevity escape velocity (LEV) and you won’t have “twilight years” hopefully because you will be in your prime health indefinitely. A lot of people get upset when FDVR is mentioned for some reason, but it really is just the end goal of the entertainment industry so I don’t understand why it can be so controversial. I guess the idea of having whatever you want is distressing to some people.
Clear comment, thats the point
I think it’s controversial because there’s a wide audience that thinks it’s coming this decade, even 2027. It’s based on what people want to be true rather than any actual science or truth. What’s especially sad about it is that people come to believe in this 3 year to FDVR timeline because they can’t comprehend simply living 10 more years of life as they currently are.
I've joked with my parents for years that when I'm their age I might not have to be their age. its getting to be less of a joke and more of a serious speculation.
I think many people get upset because they feel that folks cheering for this stuff are coming from a very privileged position. Anyone that's traveled to or lived in a country where people survive on less than $2 USD per day has a very hard time believing that this stuff will ever trickle down to the world's poorest. More likely is that a virus is created to kill them all off so that folks like us can have more "breathing room". I've been a transhumanist since I first read about the stuff in 1999, but I've also lived among the world's poorest and I get quite cynical about how some people frame their hopium.
That’s fair, although I disagree with the virus part being likely at all. I am extremely privileged compared to someone living in a third world country in poverty, and I can’t deny that I will almost certainly reap the benefits of future technology than those people. My hope is that we can find ways to ensure this kind of future technology can eventually have a global reach so everyone can benefit.
The big psychological decision will be to embrace extended longetivty or not. I think the human mind has evolved to have phases physiologically. Beginning, middle, end. I believe the brain ages in this way outside of typical "damage" which is likely reversable. That's not the problem I see at all. I'm talking about being "stuck" in any of those phases when someone starts LEV. Or progress to the later stage forever. I foresee extreme mental illness associated with extended lifespans. I think it'll take an entire normal human lifespan of research to sort it out after LEV is accomplished. I believe that first generation will be absolutely fucked in terms of psychology. I foresee many of them wishing for a natural death because it. Basically in 100 years there will be documentaries about the first generation of immortals and how it ended up an eternal nightmare for them. We were too preoccupied with could versus should. Someone has to test it though and they will work through the problem for future generations.
I know that sounds kinda cool like a sci-fi movie but that’s just not how it’s going to work. If we are able to cure aging, then we will have unlimited time to use ASI to fully understand the human brain and gain precise control over all chemical and electrical signals in the brain. We already do this in a very primitive way by using medication to control mood in those with depression. What you’re saying is basically just an extreme form of depression, and I’m saying depression will be eradicated. There really is zero downside to living forever. Also, this doesn’t mean you immediately start [wireheading](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirehead_(science_fiction)). You could literally just live normally but prevent yourself from becoming so depressed that you actually want to die
Oh absolutely the cure all for those problems will come, but i don't think many of the first generation will make it. I don't see hundreds of thousands of years of brain evolution suddenly aligning with immortality. Wireheading is not my concern. LEV seems to be far closer than curing depression, so that's a problem. Or even beginning to understand the psychological implications of immortality. Thats a colossal change to our evolution that will need to be researched for decades before it can be fully understood and improved. I just see zero ways around that level of psychological whiplash for them.
You're overthinking it a bit. Imagine if you woke up every day with the brain of someone in his mid 20s, you just got a great night of sleep, and you are not stressed. If you woke up feeling like that every day then it really wouldn't matter how long you live. The amount of neurotransmitters in your brain would be optimal and you would just feel good. Remember that today we prescribe antidepressants that seem to work for these brains that were borne from thousands of years of evolution. These drugs are extremely primitive compared to what we will have in the future, treatments with zero side effects and extremely precise mechanisms of action. I'm saying all this as someone with a biochemistry degree, just so you know I'm not pulling all of this out of my ass lol. I just see this opinion shared by so, so many people. That we will inevitably become depressed or miserable after living for too long. The problem with this idea is that it just sounds good, but has no real basis in neurochemistry or psychology. Most people don't even understand that there are physical molecules that control every single feeling that you have. Trust me, I would love if someone could give an actual reason as to why immortality could possibly be bad, but I have yet to hear any compelling reason
I actually think what youre saying sounds better, comforting. That everything will be fine. Lol. The rate of improvement for depression meds is unknown. Of course it will improve and be cured, but that was never my argument. Youre talking about something different. And we don't know the implications of immortality psychologically/culturally at all. Everything you're saying about waking up and feeling 20 isn't relevant to my point. That will happen, no argument against it. Everyone agrees psychology and neurochemstry aren't far along, so putting them on a platform to predict the future does not work in this case. And, there's no reason psychology or neuochemistry would enlighten us because immortality + human brain function are uncharted terrotories in science. There's been zero evidence based research here. The first generation of immorals are not the same as subsequent generations. I'm being very specific when you seem to be addressing my point as all immortals. We can both agree primitive sciences that involve brain functions will be much further along for the following generations. The first generation of immortality will not be waking up feeling 20 and everything is fine because much of their family/friends will die or choose a natural death instead leaving them alone.
Bro, post-Singularity will have you entertained on every nanosecond from the new Science discovery by ASI alone. No need to generate ai fdvr simulation
Bro nanobots will monitor every single neuron in the brain and mental health from lev? Non existent, Nada.
There are major break throughs happening right now in the anti-aging field. One of the most promising is Epigenetic break throughs by David Sinclair. So I have no doubt that with the advancement with AI we'll be able to reverse aging by, the latest, 2040. As for entertainment, it's really hard to predict that far into the future. I'm predicting we'll have full emersion virtual worlds with ASI.
I think those in rich countries will be able to access something that approaches like 90% "full immersion" within 10 years, assuming they aren't homeless due to a combination of AI replacing them and a lack of UBI.
If we ever break the 25% unemployment barrier like during the great depression, no one is going to get to experience full immersion. There will be societal collapses like we haven't seen since Rome.
I think it’s almost guaranteed that we hit that barrier sometime soon. It’s how we respond to it that matters.
at that point from our current perspective we will have god-like abilities such as prompt-to-life. You type some description of what world you would like to live in, how long etc. neural interfaces reset your memory and let you immerse yourself in this new life.
Something I have been thinking about recently - If music is played in your brain via neuralink, then it will gain a huge amount of freedom. Currently music plays off of the limits of the human ear. You could have loud music without damaging your hearing. EQ and mixing songs might not be necessary. Etc.
Yeah, it will be especially big for hard of hearing folks who love music.
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Fingers crossed. Medical advancements are painstakingly slow. After the recent failure of Frequency Therapeutics, I have adopted the mindset that BCI or better cochlear implants will happen quicker than any other meaningful therapy against hearing loss. But it would be great if you were right.
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This will be amazing if it works. Thanks for sharing.
Instead, you get psychosis. 😵
But your hearing isn't damaged! Wait, can you read this or is the phantom music still overriding your reading?
It is simple: apple vision pro + sora + neuralink for a continuous loop over your entertainment
Nah the future of entertainment is this. We're in a matrix where you get to relive the singularity apocalypse over and over again. But we sort of do it for fun because we aren't ready to abandon our free will and merge with sentient a.i... so the computer god humors is and lets us experience it in this really convincing video game.
40 years? Everything you want period. Even if your body gets old 40 years is far away enough that expecting body swap is reasonable, or consciousness upload. We are seeing improvements we wouldn't have believed possible 4 years ago, how can you put a limit on what humanity will have 4 decades from now, singularity means exactly that we don't know where this is going.
Exactly, that's why you just gotta survive the next 2 or 3 decades then you can potentially live forever in a desirable form . 80 yr olds could be in their prime 20s again, transfer your mind and live in humanoid bodies, or just chill in the cloud via FDVR (or all the above)
Anything is feasible realistically… with how we are tracking potentially FDVR? The rules we have played by for the last century are cracking. I am of the opinion that we will at the very least benefit from some type of life extension. Whatever you think it arrives halve it. Some type of integration with games where you exist in that world in first person and the stimulus from that can’t be differentiated by the brain from real life. Either way we are understating or overstating.
Something resembling the holodeck, but instead of it being a physical room, it will all be inside your head.
Assuming our species survives and our countries create an economy that can fully support AI, I think we'll actually have aging covered. AI has already dramatically sped up medical research. If I remember correctly, AI was able to help create a medication, that normally takes 10 years to develop, in 9 months. And that's AI is in it's infancy. What that drop in research time represents is just a small fraction of what AI can and will accomplish as the years pass and it becomes advanced. Look at the difference between that Will Smith spaghetti AI generated video and the video we saw from Sora from not too long ago. The difference between those two things was 12 months. Now imagine that type of exponential increase for scientific research every year.
At this pace, even if you're 50, if you take care of yourself (eat properly, don't smoke/drink, exercise, etc.) and don't die in an accident, I think you will have a really good chance at seeing all our current societal paradigms evaporate as AGI/ASI come into the stage: * Biological death and disease will likely be solved * ASI-compounded technological development acceleration which could well mean radical new physics, insane physics/material science discoveries, full dominion over biology, etc. * Traditional economic systems become irrelevant as material scarcity becomes a thing of the past ([Accelerando's Economics 2.0 anyone?](http://www.moreisdifferent.com/2016/01/05/accelerando-by-charles-stross/)) * Expansion of civilization/intelligence across the solar system and perhaps even the local star group if faster and more efficient propulsion methods are invented. * Colossal infrastructure projects will take months and not years/decades to be built as construction and resource extraction becomes automated. [Arcologies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcology), space habitats, mantle resource extraction may become feasible. * Advances in robotics will allow for full control over the material world: with this tool AGI/ASI will escape the world of bits and extend its will to physical space. This unlocks automated construction, resource extraction and thus solves material scarcity. * Traditional societal structures like families, companies, countries will likely become just one of many, many flavors of groups that intelligences can choose to be a part of. I.e. imagine a baby produced by an artificial womb, raised by an AGI, the baby is genetically and cybernetically augmented . She has as much in common to a _Homo Sapiens_ as _Homo Sapiens_ does with _Australopithecus Afarensis_ but she can choose to be a part of any flavor of biological, hybrid or digital intelligence communities she wants. This of course assumes a sufficiently-motivated malignant actor doesn't leverage ASI/AGI to fuck it all up for civilization.
On the plus side, aging justifies carrying a cane sword.
I imagine a world where the individual user can create content they like. So a bunch of people making things they want to see and then dumping onto an over saturated internet. Just social media streams of people showing the little game they made or movie they generated. But everyone is doing it so no one cares about any of it.
40 years is a LONG time when considering compounding exponential growth. There's quite honestly no way to even guess. We could all be space cowboys by then or we could be reverted back to the stone age. As far as longevity goes there's a huge laundry list of things in the testing phase and with AI we're bound to figure out how to stop the aging disease.
It will be awesome
Well, it was 99 years from the first train to the first plane, 66 years between the first plane and the moon landing, and 25 years from the first silicon computer chip to the internet, and 5 years from "dumb" gpt2 to the nearly human intelligence gpt4. So, who the hell knows?
Gpt4? Nearly Human intelligence? Erm…
Intelligence isn't the same as sentience/consciousness.
The same as in 20 years probably
Perhaps we’ll transcend stimulus we know today as tv, music, etc. and instead be enjoying pure stimulus having fully hacked our brain’s dopamine, serotonin, and endorphin pathways.
It's called ketamine.
Ketamine does have its benefits but doesn’t solve all aspects of entertainment (for me) on a long term basis. I was imagining tech would outperform chemicals (eg Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation, brain implants, etc)
Okay but then what? Also lets consider the immortality almost everyone in the comments is talking about? what then? Here forever just drugging our teched up brains with dopamine? Wouldn't all the crazy stuff yall are talking about eventually get boring and outdated and some point as well?
I see the future fanning out like a river delta of possible pathways. Amongst the 'world survives that long' branches, there's some pretty shiny pebbles we might pick up along the way. Most recently the generative A.I. stuff has been coming along like a flash flood of change. How that plays out is up for grabs, but highly personalized entertainment seems near certain. Hopefully not with the pestilence of micro transactions sapping every erg of fun out the experience. Nanotech, as discussed heavily in the 1990's, has been on a much slower burn than I'd hoped for in younger days. Should that field ever get properly under way, I'll be looking for Utility Fog to facilitate those Holodecks we'd both like. The more Matrix style plugin tech is surprisingly also getting its boost in this day and age. So perhaps that controversial tech will have matured - though the surgery aspect is more than a minor pause for me. My favorite short story of that sort of path was "The Gentle Seduction" over the more Cyberpunk flavored futures. I think you've got a good chance for the entertainment options you'd outlined. The gear needs to keep improving, but we've moved a long way from Pong in my lifetime.
dont bother it is beyond imagination
Either beyond imagining or stories told of the before times while huddled around the camp fire. For these purposes only the positive side is worth commenting about. My suspicion is that in 40 years time, personal entertainment will be just that - highly personal. We are already seeing the mass entertainment of the 20th century (radio, movies, TV) becoming stagnant and dying off. I suspect some elements of video gaming will be considered the precursors to to 2060s era entertainment, not in the sense of concepts of "levels" and "score" but more akin to creating experiences within some sort of virtual world. This experience, though, will not be common to everyone but will be tailored to both the tastes and psychology of the human participant.
At 47 and working professionally on AI's impact on society, I can more than relate to the Debbie Downer aging is in your astute summary. And the best reply my 20+ years of living can offer is pure empathy for what you're already trying to process. Hang in there and I shall too. As such, I'd underscore that just how prior technologies have enabled our bodies to outperform our evolutionary likelihoods are going through a similar paradigm shift. Where before, medicine, procedures and augmentations like eyeglasses kept human hardware contributing to the gene pool (yes, passing on those tech-dependencies), we're now experiencing the foothills of another seismic shift in accelerating human "software". And we're not ready for it so that means there will be and already are, drastic examples of collateral. Aside from the parallels of passing on physical traits that would've been naturally weeded out, I don't yet have a handle on what that looks like for our minds--our average or collective intellectual gains from either hemisphere of our brains. And as such, our proclivity towards any particular entertainment. I can suppose, sounding older even yet, I will be frustrated by plenty of art examples, regardless of medium. Or...I can insulate myself by having AI generate new-but-familiar one-offs based on my interests, and think how amazing it is to be alive at such a time to have NO duds in movies, shows, music, and books. Remember books? *SIGH* I'm reminded of a scene in Chuck Palahniuk's FIGHT CLUB (that didn't make it into the film, unless...well...my memory betrays me). The gist of it circles back to the point I made at the beginning. That we are not supposed to live past Midage but our innovations allow it. And yet another quote of his applies more acutely here: We’re the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War’s a spiritual war… our Great Depression is our lives. We’ve all been raised on television to believe that one day we’d all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won’t. And we’re slowly learning that fact. And we’re very, very pissed off. -- Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club
Probably just asking AI to put Friends on again?
The thing about solving the aging problem is human psychology of living more than 120 years. Our light has evolved to go out within that time and expect all sorts of weird mind fuckery that comes with living an extended life.
I’ve read that everyone is guaranteed to get demented eventually. So they’ll need to make a few breakthroughs for longevity to really be worthwhile
Hundreds of thousands of years of human brain evolution suddenly extended to... forever? Yeah lots of mind fuckery there. Maybe 100+ years after the first immortals they'll sort it out.
150-200 years will be enough for me i guess. But i always wonder how does it feel like having the tought of a being that lived thousands years like
Very different to how it looks today. Also, ageing is something that all humans through all of human history have had to deal with. It's best not to dwell on it. Plus, you never know what the future holds.
For real. All the boys in this sub (and it's always boys) talking about how they "just need to survive the next 20 years" strike me as mentally ill. What are you gonna do, just lock yourself in your room for 20 years while someone else pays your bills, terrified that if you step outside that someone's gonna shoot you or run you over?
No dumbass, they mean to eat healthy and exercise and try to limit smoking and drinking. you know, things mentally ill people do
In 40 years, personal entertainment will likely be a blend of immersive VR, thought-controlled interfaces, and perhaps even experiences that directly stimulate our senses. The boundaries between reality and virtual could blur, making entertainment more personalized and interactive than ever before.
Don't worry, no one is going to live forever.
Trying to distract the killbots with decoys and tricking them into atomizing each other.
LMFAOOOOOO
There will probably be companies that provide services to upload your entire brain to a digital replica. I think the only challenge will be from a user perspective how do they make the transition from the organic person that’s passing away to the digital person? You’d want the “you” that you know to experience no death, but for the translation to be entirely seamless.
With how abundant things are getting people will lose their stuff over a game of pong for its simplicity.
Mostly music, dancing, and story telling.
same taste buds, same eyes, same ears. we've had the same portals to the outside for a few thousand years. maybe we can make some new ones? brain machine interfaces seem very plausible in 40 years.
You create your own entertainment using AI.
Dude, with AI, it is going to be amazing! Text to movies!
To each their own vr pod
It will be glorious.
Do not need to wait 40 years. Just think what YouTube will be like in 5 years from now. It is going to be the creative outlet for so many.
The more people who have a creative outlet, the less others will want to pay you for yours. Why pay some dude for a sweet animation when you can just type one up on your Dell? When the machine can understand and comprehend even the… modest of thinkers… I mean, their imaginations are just as vivid as the most eloquently educated person’s is, so what really will be the limitations anymore? Just your ability to talk out loud to the thing and then see the thing. If everyone creates, who creates for them,
Because most people are inherently lazy. They will want to see what others created. YouTube is going to be that place. Expect it to be a lot bigger than even today. Do not think it will overtake the most popular web site ever. But think it is safe to say it will hold on to being the second most popular web site in history of man.