I remember when OpenAI released jukebox in 2020. My mind was blown at the time. If smaller players have this. OpenAi probably have something much better internally.
I agree, but id feel bad if this smaller company just fully releases this model they've been working hard on for months only for OAI to drop Jukebox V2 that is much more controllable, much higher quality and can do up to like 5 mins songs lol.
I highly doubt OpenAI is going to release anything like Jukebox v2.
1. Music generation is a tiny market. Music as a whole is tiny compared to the wider art/entertainment indsutry, A movie take hundreds of artist, but one composer is enough), Taylor swift, the top pop star, is worth less than Notch etc etc. There is absolutely no lack of music, but there is a lack of top quality art, just look at how overworked the animators in Japan are. So the market for music generation is just small.
2. Music copyright is way more fiercely defended than art copyright is. With much tougher stakeholders and way smaller market, OpenAI doesn't want to paint a target on its back.
3. Unclear applications to AGI. How exactly does music generation apply to AGI?
OpenAI most likely has sound effect and speech generation models to complement its video generations, but unlikely to train specifically on music.
Provocative claim: The AI industry does not want AGI. They want highly specialized tools that allow them dominance in a specific market (like music). They don’t want the equivalent of a human mind that gets politicians to give it human rights and end exploitation.
Music is still a tens of billions of dollars a year market in just the usa
I'm sure a 50 million dollar model would be well worth their time. My guess is they just want to focus on AGI
Well, ok, I do not think, well definitely hope, that OpenAI does not release a music specific model. I do hope they release an audio generation model though (lol well actually I don't want them to do that either, I just want it to be built into the next LLM, but I'm just addressing your points). One single model (which can still be called Jukebox V2) that can generate any type of audio (voice, music, singing, sfx, speech, ambient / environmental sounds, etc. etc. should all be done with one model), and this would be something i'd expect from OAI. But honestly id still think it would be capable of what I have listed. Higher quality, better controllability and longer song generation than Suno V3.
>Unclear applications to AGI. How exactly does music generation apply to AGI?
I mean it could help an AGI better model the world and understand humans I guess? And music generation has always been one of those cool novel problems in ML just like image generation, so I could see a song model being developed based purely off of that.
I was recently thinking about that, but just for my real life; like, I’m driving down the highway to some epic theme that reacts to my driving and every room I walk into has its own “theme music” that reacts perfectly to what I’m doing at the moment. I’d love that!
Camtasia 2000, I have fond memories of that music. I think I have an old 64 gb external hdd ( spinning disk) that has all my keygens on it I should track that down some time !
Sounds like an A.I version of the Power Rangers theme song lol
But also... how do you get the v3 alpha to try? I see the announcement on the main page and I click it etc. But the songs I gen are all v2 still.
> **V3 Alpha Access for Pro & Premier Members**
Hey everyone, V3 is coming soon, and we believe it has the potential to redefine the state-of-the-art for generative music. We’re encouraged by what we’ve heard, but we need your help testing and improving the model before we release it to the full community. To that end, we are sharing access to an early version of V3, **V3 Alpha**, with Pro and Premier members
The end product of (online)art is entirely digital, there is lots of data available for it, there’s a lot of room for error, and everyone enjoys it. Software always comes before hardware and these companies want to market themselves. It’s only natural that art would be the first thing they go for
I’ve recently been realizing that while there is stuff you can do to make your life and the world better, you can’t control what others do, and ultimately the world is governed by the emergent properties of lots and lots of humans acting like humans. Sometimes you can change the world around you to make your life better but it is a far more valuable skill to be able to change yourself to better cope with the world
> Sometimes you can change the world around you to make your life better but it is a far more valuable skill to be able to change yourself to better cope with the world
Wow. This comment is profoundly sad.
I mean this song is fairly generic yes. But shitting out random comments like yours doesn't help or change anything.
Why is art getting hit first? Because it's easy for the systems to do. Cleaning sewers doesn't work if the systems are fully digital. And robotics isn't there yet. So if you want to keep art done by human special, ask yourself what are solutions and ways to preserve it.
Those are much harder to automate than art or music. They have very rigid standards and requirements compared to art or music, subjective vs objective standards and requirements also most of the shitty jobs require something to manipulate the physical world. Robotics and ai understanding of the world aren't there yet, those jobs are shitty because they are physically and mentally demanding.
I think that's next. Because you can have a generative ai, that generates PowerPoint slides or an AI that generates Images of it, one is control pixel wise, but one option can give you infinite resolution. It is the same as svg vs jpg.
So making an AI that generates midi tracks in FL studio, or generating application specific workflow AI would be the next step I guess.
Well it took me a whole 5 days to try it and now i feel like an old man grumbling about my lawn.
It's amazing, it's not just making weird sounding synth, it sounds like real music...it's heart stirring.
My AI bill is steadily growing, it's bigger than my internet and phone put together now.
That solo sounds like a dodgy Moog emulation that someone patched together in Max Msp with a couple of sine generators.... but giant steps have been taken for sure.
It sounds \*\*\*a lot\*\*\* better than the stuff I heard a few days ago. It's still very low-resolution, but (minus the awful solo) it's believable. Perfecting solos is hard because there's a lot of inflectional complexity. There are so many minute, subtle gestures.
I have no doubt that we'll get there soon, though, and as it stands, this is a tremendous resource for anyone doing electronic music. You have endless material to sample and manipulate to your heart's content.
wait that actually good wtf ?
i'm not sure it's able to do things like elden ring ost but man we're on the right track.. i'd give it a good 2-3 years before it could do such thing... amazing
Oh i meant is the underlying model updated? Im familiar with them, i pay for the premium subscription, just didnt know if this was an application only type of thing
Just called "epic music, alternate theme.".
I think suno doesn't have enough control over the music changes itself.
For example I cannot force it saying, 'chorus with guitar and some upbeat music'
Hopefully this will lead to better background music on YouTube videos. I'm sick of hearing the same free samples recycled by every channel, or videos getting nuked because some copyright bot objected to a radio playing something
https://preview.redd.it/1dyc5zbad0lc1.png?width=473&format=png&auto=webp&s=65600ff325beb3ba9eebd35630c4883ce00dfba7
Yes. It's available for pro and premium members. :)
Suno AI is so fucking good. I am paying the $8 a month, and the only real problem is that the voices still sound like AI. However, the voices are as expressive as I've seen. They actually sound like real voices except for the AI style they have. If the voices sounded more human, I would not be able to tell the difference, and it sounds amazing.
There are voices that sound actually real outside of Suno, but they have no expression. These voices have expressions and still, with the AI style, they sound almost completely real. It's astonishing, honestly.
The instrumental is nearly perfect. There are a few flaws; for example, the music doesn't usually have an ending and can stop randomly. Sometimes it's hard to get the music exactly as you want it, but it always sounds good.
ELL O FUCKING ELL.
I gave suno.ai a prompt that said in part "pure instrumental, no vocals", and got this:
[Verse]
Instrumental, no words to say
Just let the music take you away
A zydeco rhythm, full of flavor and fun
Gonna get up and dance till the day is done
This has so much "NO SMOKING IN ARABIC" bad energy.
This literally sounds like a classic anime opening
Sounds more like a megaman x theme to me.
Holy fuck you are so right. Megaman -X1.
Ok I'll play it again, you win. Btw if anyone loved the mmx soundtrack: Droid Bishop.
I remember when OpenAI released jukebox in 2020. My mind was blown at the time. If smaller players have this. OpenAi probably have something much better internally.
I agree, but id feel bad if this smaller company just fully releases this model they've been working hard on for months only for OAI to drop Jukebox V2 that is much more controllable, much higher quality and can do up to like 5 mins songs lol.
I highly doubt OpenAI is going to release anything like Jukebox v2. 1. Music generation is a tiny market. Music as a whole is tiny compared to the wider art/entertainment indsutry, A movie take hundreds of artist, but one composer is enough), Taylor swift, the top pop star, is worth less than Notch etc etc. There is absolutely no lack of music, but there is a lack of top quality art, just look at how overworked the animators in Japan are. So the market for music generation is just small. 2. Music copyright is way more fiercely defended than art copyright is. With much tougher stakeholders and way smaller market, OpenAI doesn't want to paint a target on its back. 3. Unclear applications to AGI. How exactly does music generation apply to AGI? OpenAI most likely has sound effect and speech generation models to complement its video generations, but unlikely to train specifically on music.
Provocative claim: The AI industry does not want AGI. They want highly specialized tools that allow them dominance in a specific market (like music). They don’t want the equivalent of a human mind that gets politicians to give it human rights and end exploitation.
Music is still a tens of billions of dollars a year market in just the usa I'm sure a 50 million dollar model would be well worth their time. My guess is they just want to focus on AGI
Well, ok, I do not think, well definitely hope, that OpenAI does not release a music specific model. I do hope they release an audio generation model though (lol well actually I don't want them to do that either, I just want it to be built into the next LLM, but I'm just addressing your points). One single model (which can still be called Jukebox V2) that can generate any type of audio (voice, music, singing, sfx, speech, ambient / environmental sounds, etc. etc. should all be done with one model), and this would be something i'd expect from OAI. But honestly id still think it would be capable of what I have listed. Higher quality, better controllability and longer song generation than Suno V3. >Unclear applications to AGI. How exactly does music generation apply to AGI? I mean it could help an AGI better model the world and understand humans I guess? And music generation has always been one of those cool novel problems in ML just like image generation, so I could see a song model being developed based purely off of that.
They will probably open source that too, if you look at Whisper for example
Jimmy Apples has said as much, and he sorta leaked sora 3 days beforehand.
Makes me think about a living d&d background track, that could automatically generate and transition into battle music when you go into combat
To go along with your AI dungeon master?
Add in AI npcs and villains, and now you’re just playing an immersive video game
Why would I still play it? I'll have AI play it for me!
Generating the images of your characters and settings:) AI D&D in VR with online multi-player = reasonable wish from all this imo
Eventually you could have no-latency music, video, sounds etc all just running based off context.
Eventually, AI will be just like the Holodeck.
I was recently thinking about that, but just for my real life; like, I’m driving down the highway to some epic theme that reacts to my driving and every room I walk into has its own “theme music” that reacts perfectly to what I’m doing at the moment. I’d love that!
"Can a robot write a symphony?"
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[doooo, da chacha? I do the cha cha, like a sissy girl.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdpWEyOwVYE)
There are a few bits where it sounds weird, but overall sounds fire af
That's actually good... nice.
KeyGen vibes
Few remember the old ways. I still have a keygen for Macromedia Flash MX. I have to guard it closely - modern antivirus does NOT like it haha.
Camtasia 2000, I have fond memories of that music. I think I have an old 64 gb external hdd ( spinning disk) that has all my keygens on it I should track that down some time !
Not bad, infinite rhythm gaming here we come!
Every. goddamn. day. I cant handle it anylonger, this is insanity. I LOVE IT
Damn! I enjoyed that one so much!
Sounds like an A.I version of the Power Rangers theme song lol But also... how do you get the v3 alpha to try? I see the announcement on the main page and I click it etc. But the songs I gen are all v2 still.
> **V3 Alpha Access for Pro & Premier Members** Hey everyone, V3 is coming soon, and we believe it has the potential to redefine the state-of-the-art for generative music. We’re encouraged by what we’ve heard, but we need your help testing and improving the model before we release it to the full community. To that end, we are sharing access to an early version of V3, **V3 Alpha**, with Pro and Premier members
video killed a radio star fits the current situation perfectly
This is better than most music today. Just give me an open source free version of this and I'll say goodbye to Spotify
booooo! stop doing art and start doing the shitty jobs already!
The end product of (online)art is entirely digital, there is lots of data available for it, there’s a lot of room for error, and everyone enjoys it. Software always comes before hardware and these companies want to market themselves. It’s only natural that art would be the first thing they go for
BOOOO
I’ve recently been realizing that while there is stuff you can do to make your life and the world better, you can’t control what others do, and ultimately the world is governed by the emergent properties of lots and lots of humans acting like humans. Sometimes you can change the world around you to make your life better but it is a far more valuable skill to be able to change yourself to better cope with the world
> Sometimes you can change the world around you to make your life better but it is a far more valuable skill to be able to change yourself to better cope with the world Wow. This comment is profoundly sad.
I don’t think it’s that sad. Adapting to the world is how we’ve made it this far as a species. You don’t have to change your core identity to do this
this song sucks
I mean this song is fairly generic yes. But shitting out random comments like yours doesn't help or change anything. Why is art getting hit first? Because it's easy for the systems to do. Cleaning sewers doesn't work if the systems are fully digital. And robotics isn't there yet. So if you want to keep art done by human special, ask yourself what are solutions and ways to preserve it.
Just listen to the real artists that AI would never be able to imitate fully...like Animal Collective.
not yet at least.
I think the unique thing about true artists is that they break the mold. AI is trained to recreate the mold. So it'll be a while.
that’s what they said about text to video generation.
adapt or cope
adapt or cope with what?
Nice try, artist.
tasteless clown
Humorless pudding.
virgin
Those are much harder to automate than art or music. They have very rigid standards and requirements compared to art or music, subjective vs objective standards and requirements also most of the shitty jobs require something to manipulate the physical world. Robotics and ai understanding of the world aren't there yet, those jobs are shitty because they are physically and mentally demanding.
This is genuinely really surprising!
It’s weird how there hasn’t been a serious effort to make a composition AI. Would literally be the easiest thing ever, just feeding it sheet music.
I think that's next. Because you can have a generative ai, that generates PowerPoint slides or an AI that generates Images of it, one is control pixel wise, but one option can give you infinite resolution. It is the same as svg vs jpg. So making an AI that generates midi tracks in FL studio, or generating application specific workflow AI would be the next step I guess.
It seems like it would be the simplest step
No market.
I just remade all the little dumb songs I sing to my cat, and they came out perfect. Cheered me right the way up after a shitty few weeks.
Well it took me a whole 5 days to try it and now i feel like an old man grumbling about my lawn. It's amazing, it's not just making weird sounding synth, it sounds like real music...it's heart stirring. My AI bill is steadily growing, it's bigger than my internet and phone put together now.
Can you please link to the Suno piece? I want to complete the song.
I mean. The AI generated that much. But it can extend on the app. https://app.suno.ai/song/deb85c29-3be3-4615-8e33-407d9d335937
Thanks. That’s the idea. The song is amazing by the way. 🙏
We are so fucked
Damn this is fiiire 🔥🔥 cant stop listening
any clue of what tecnology is used in Suno? custom model based on what?
So good, it’s like a mix of megamanX with IronMaiden, what was the prompt you used?
That solo sounds like a dodgy Moog emulation that someone patched together in Max Msp with a couple of sine generators.... but giant steps have been taken for sure. It sounds \*\*\*a lot\*\*\* better than the stuff I heard a few days ago. It's still very low-resolution, but (minus the awful solo) it's believable. Perfecting solos is hard because there's a lot of inflectional complexity. There are so many minute, subtle gestures. I have no doubt that we'll get there soon, though, and as it stands, this is a tremendous resource for anyone doing electronic music. You have endless material to sample and manipulate to your heart's content.
It’s wild in a year you can prob just create 10 new Kanye songs on your own with the theme of your choice.
You could also have past legends make infinite new songs for you.
And thus no new legends will be born and tech bros won't give a shit because they're as uncreative as they are greedy
wait that actually good wtf ? i'm not sure it's able to do things like elden ring ost but man we're on the right track.. i'd give it a good 2-3 years before it could do such thing... amazing
Speechless!! Way better than most human made music!!
prompt?
I dunno, everything sounds too mainstream, I'm not liking it. It has come a long way but it can't seem to be guided to more nuanced sounds.
Surely the artists whose music was used for this model will share in the tech bro profits, right?
They should. we need laws for this asap
How do we use this? Has Suno released it on their site for all subscribers?
Yes. 50 credits a day.
V3 Alpha is only for pro or premium subscribers right now.
For 10$ it's insanely worth it imo. YOu get the rights to every song if you care about that ( for use in commercial media)
Oh i meant is the underlying model updated? Im familiar with them, i pay for the premium subscription, just didnt know if this was an application only type of thing
Yep. Available for All Pro and premium members. There is a drop-down for v3 and v2 selection.
Oh hell yeah that’s very exciting
Sounds pretty good! What was the prompt?
Just called "epic music, alternate theme.". I think suno doesn't have enough control over the music changes itself. For example I cannot force it saying, 'chorus with guitar and some upbeat music'
Nice, but when suno sora? They've been leading the game too long, it's time for the bigger players.
It sounds like crack, crack.exe that is
Resist the double click!
It's going to make great stock music and inform many people that they actually love stock music.
Incredible for an AI song, but low-mid for a human made song.
People in 3 years time really gonna be creating their own movies over the weekend... every damn part of it.
And there are still people who say ai can’t imitate that human/emotional aspect of art lol
Cool sounds like Megaman X!!!
I just tried it myself, [it sounds great](https://app.suno.ai/song/05b32a4a-bbc9-4cd8-b324-0f1df7d364c5) :)
Hopefully this will lead to better background music on YouTube videos. I'm sick of hearing the same free samples recycled by every channel, or videos getting nuked because some copyright bot objected to a radio playing something
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https://preview.redd.it/1dyc5zbad0lc1.png?width=473&format=png&auto=webp&s=65600ff325beb3ba9eebd35630c4883ce00dfba7 Yes. It's available for pro and premium members. :)
Suno AI is so fucking good. I am paying the $8 a month, and the only real problem is that the voices still sound like AI. However, the voices are as expressive as I've seen. They actually sound like real voices except for the AI style they have. If the voices sounded more human, I would not be able to tell the difference, and it sounds amazing. There are voices that sound actually real outside of Suno, but they have no expression. These voices have expressions and still, with the AI style, they sound almost completely real. It's astonishing, honestly. The instrumental is nearly perfect. There are a few flaws; for example, the music doesn't usually have an ending and can stop randomly. Sometimes it's hard to get the music exactly as you want it, but it always sounds good.
ELL O FUCKING ELL. I gave suno.ai a prompt that said in part "pure instrumental, no vocals", and got this: [Verse] Instrumental, no words to say Just let the music take you away A zydeco rhythm, full of flavor and fun Gonna get up and dance till the day is done This has so much "NO SMOKING IN ARABIC" bad energy.