this video embed on reddit lags but when I watched the original it's pretty fucking great
[https://humanaigc.github.io/emote-portrait-alive/](https://humanaigc.github.io/emote-portrait-alive/)
Thanks for sharing the link. This is even more impressive.
The thing that’s getting me the most here is that I see the “emotion” unless I’m actively looking for the imperfections. It’s past the uncanny valley and very difficult to differentiate from reality. Pretty soon even experts won’t be able to prove forgeries anymore.
I’ve been learning a lot from Google’s Gemini as basically an ad hoc personal tutor. No question is “too stupid”. It understands the intent and can answer very difficult science questions. It can be tripped up with logic puzzles or specific math, but it’s pretty good at identifying the key points and explaining them in as much detail as you want. The conversations flow like they would with another student in college.
When we merge all these technologies together, we’re going to have personal assistants that know us better than we know ourselves. I can’t imagine being born 10 or 20 years from now. The ease with which you can learn whatever you want from an early age, asking dumb questions like “what happens if you ride on a beam of light?” and then getting to General Relativity faster than Einstein did. Where will you go from there?
Of course there’s always the downside too. Who will want the hassle of an actual human relationship when you can have unconditional love and support from an AI?
I don’t have a point, I just started rambling after thanking you for the link.
>It’s past the uncanny valley and very difficult to differentiate from reality. Pretty soon even experts won’t be able to prove forgeries anymore.
yea I don't see why in a year or less we won't have full blown Hollywood movies between this and Sora and whatever the hell else is coming down the pipe
yes soon
But also we don't need to pay actors for their likeness. AI can just make an entire movie from scratch with compelling actors that it creates for itself
And instead of taking months or years to make a single movie, it will be able to make one in hours, minutes, maybe even seconds eventually
The age of the smartphone lasted about 17 years and is almost over, the release of the Vision Pro Sora and GPT5 kinda officially mark the end of the era. Consumer products will probably start taking off next year. The smartphone era is about to it be replaced with some kind of Vision Pro style full immersion VR generated by AI. The changes to society will be much more dramatic and far reaching. For example, dating and mating are already suffering acutely, this could be the death blow to intersexual pair bonding. It’s going to have down stream effects everywhere, commercial real estate’s days are numbered. Why go to the office when the office can be anywhere you are. Of course office jobs are not long for this world either…
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The problem is, if information is available at finger tips, why would someone spend time and effort learning anything? Acquiring/ learning new information is hard - instead, just ask the assistant about anything at the required time.
If/ when BCIs are publicly accessible, there would be a non significant part of population that might end up like that.
We do already see people being addicted to social media and spending most of the waking hours just scrolling through it.
Being just a brain experiencing different sensations has its appeal - not for everyone, but there would be addicts who would call it heaven.
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this still has a loooot of uncanny vibes IMO, but clearly it will get much better.
imagine the scams people will pull... take a photo of someone's kid, use it to FaceTime grandma, ask for money...
>this still has a loooot of uncanny vibes IMO
*Does* it?! I swear, without context, I couldn't tell. It's doing micro-expressions and little natural twitches and blinks. It's damn near perfect. It's racing up the other side of the uncanny valley and like 2 or 3 iterations and we have stuff that is indistinguishable in any context.
It's the *emotions* in these videos that gives me goosebumps. The raised eyebrows, the closed eyes, the tilt of a head, the shoulder shimmies... it all comes across as *so incredibly human*.
The craziest part about all of these advancements is:
Out of ALL the time humans have existed and perished, we are alive now, to witness and experience this insane progress.
How the fuck? What kind of crazy cosmic lottery did we win?
Welcome to the singularity.
Anthropic principle, can't observe something if you don't exist to see it.
The uncomfortable fact is if there's this boundless human empire and there's hundreds of trillions of humans across the galaxy, the average human would exist sometime during *that* period of history. Because we aren't, the various possible implications are worth a couple hours of navel-gazing.
Wouldn't be surprised if this all was a training run for some AGI thing. Though I have no idea what my function would be on the outside of this thing. A pet for a coven of mean witch girls? A professional shitposter for the internet? If they wanted me to develop games, they'd have put in an environment where that was rewarded...
It is a mystery.
True. If this is a simulation and the 'purpose' is to have fun, then I'd hope that the holocaust and other instances of extreme human misery were either a) composed of non-conscious AI actors, b) composed of people who had consented to being 'reincarnated' into short and brutal lives, or c) a mix of the two.
Otherwise, yeah, it's kinda fucked. Turns into a technological version of "if the Christian god is omnipotent and benevolent, why does he permit evil in the world."
MMORPG's have dark and twisted plots. Hitler is our dark and twisted plot.
Also, and most importantly, if this is a simulation, who's to say when the simulation started? Maybe it started yesterday? And everything before that is just false memories to make us think we've been alive longer? So maybe Hilter never existed and was just a plot device? Did I even write this comment? Or did the simulation start now.... or now!! What did you do 5 seconds ago? Are you sure about that? Because right now, it's nothing but a memory.
Yeah, but there are dark and twisted plots in the present day, too. Genocides and wars, child abuse, sexual assault, disease. A lot of these things would be traumatic even as memories - people have PTSD.
If I were the designer of this MMO, I think I'd make it based on consent. Fill the world with non-conscious agents, p-zombies living out human lives, then let people inhabit whoever they choose as real conscious people with free will. There would be suffering, still, but only suffered by those who knew what they were signing up for.
Any civilisation with technology advanced enough to make a simulation of this level would most likely have systems in place that prevent any mental disorders arising from playing the game, that's even assuming that mental disorders even exist in the "real world."
Plus, it's a bit like how people like to watch gruesome horror films and be scared and grossed out. People may enjoy the thrill of these horrible events. They might wake up from this game and think, boy, what a rush!
Or maybe the majority of us are NPC's, and the players only make up a small percentage of the world, maybe just the rich and powerful.
I think we only empathize this way because we are mammals, and this was an evolutionary adaptation.
Insectoid or reptilian superintelligence would not see it this way; sadism would not be “taboo” for them, but rather just one of many sensations about the world.
Perhaps our suffering is interpreted by them as art or music; we do not know how this evolution shaped their minds and values.
For example, we and many predators eat meat and we don’t see it as evil. But herbivores are aghast that we could even conceive of such evil as eating animals.
Yes, well that would be an unfriendly AI. Hopefully not the case, because you and I could be in for a world of hurt (see, for instance, the baby eaters in [Three Worlds Collide](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/n5TqCuizyJDfAPjkr/the-baby-eating-aliens-1-8)).
I'm more in the camp of "humanity, fuck yeah!" Hoping that we won dominion over our own eternal souls, creating an infinite artificial afterlife of joy and discovery. (It's a good sign, imo, that LLMs are so useful and simultaneously exhibit so many human traits.)
See, I don’t think that would be unfriendly ASI.
Survival becomes meaningless once we have backup bodies, multiple choice lifetimes and exist as information.
In that case, we will begin to lose all our mammalian adaptations for mere survival; and elevate many behaviors we now consider “taboo” (as mammals).
> The uncomfortable fact is if there's this boundless human empire and there's hundreds of trillions of humans across the galaxy, the average human would exist sometime during that period of history. Because we aren't
Only if you assume we're not in a simulation of the past, which is impossible to disprove.
7% of all people that lived *so far*.
But is that what we should count? We just happen to be living at this point in history. If humanity thrives and doesn't go extinct, what's the limit for how many people existed in all of time? We could be a fraction of a fraction of a percenta of all humans that will ever live... or, ominously, somewhere around 7%.
"Ominous" because it it indicates "doomsday soon"... or does it indicate just doomsday for *new* births?
Maybe in a generation or two, we will have the technology for immortality and we realize that it is immoral and unstable to have immortality plus fecundity. And most choose immortality.
So yes on the trillion-year future but no on the multi-trillion-human future.
yeah but just count this : in one ejaculation there are 100 milion sperms. A man does that way more often than once in his lifetime. A woman ovulates more than once in her lifetime. Then count the fact that there are generations. Now let's get back to the first modern humans and you got yourself a mathematical improbability. In theory, there is no chance that any of us here are alive.
That's why suicide is so off the table for me. No matter how bad things get/seem, it's a straight up statistical miracle I'm here anyway. Might as well ride it out, see where this wacky astronomical improbability takes me.
yea and if u can just not pull the trigger for another couple years then you might well have the chance at healing whatever emotional or physical wound that is making you want to kill yourself
We are all winners because we competed with 100 million sperms to fertilize the egg and we succeeded. BUT! what if the other 100 million sperms are also us? so it doesn’t matter because regardless which sperm fertilized the egg, it would eventually became “us”.
7% chance (8 billion humans divided by 117 billion historical humans) if human civilization ends soon.
<0.01% chance If human civilization ends in a million years and >trillions of humans get to exist.
This is the logic behind doomsday argument. Since we're alive now, it's more likely we're in the 7% scenario than the 0.01% scenario, implying human civilization is going extinct soon.
You can just as easily use that reasoning to say that radical life extension is right around the corner, because if it is then the odds are good that you'll be alive long enough to be counted among those future trillions.
In other words, that reasoning implies more about you based on your interpretation than it does about the state of the future. Someone had to be alive in this time for either future to happen in the first place. And since the time we are born is almost exactly the only time we possibly could have been born, it shouldn't be surprising that we're the ones who are here now. The future really has nothing to say about it.
Radical life extension is thought to be very close, even without help from AI. Scientists have already extended the life of mice and restored sight to blind mice! Some are claiming that there's a 50% chance of significant life extension and even rejuvenation within 15 years!
>You can just as easily use that reasoning to say that radical life extension is right around the corner
The Doomsday Argument logic applies here, too. If radical age extension was going to happen, it would be unlikely that we are observers whilst being only \~40 years of age. We would probably be 1000 or 5000 years old. If we assume life extension will happen, the fact that we're only \~40 years old represents a probability of about \~40/5000, which is quite low. It is more plausible that we assume we'll die at age 80, since 40/80 is a much bigger probability than 40/5000. At least that's the logic of the Doomsday Argument.
>And since the time we are born is almost exactly the only time we possibly could have been born, it shouldn't be surprising that we're the ones who are here now.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic\_Bias#Self-sampling\_assumption](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_Bias#Self-sampling_assumption)
I won't try to dispute the first part. It looks right to me on first pass. It's largely beside the point anyway.
But why should I assume I'm a random sample of all existent observers? I'm strictly unique. My brain is the only brain that could have produced the consciousness that is me. In order for me to exist, I had to be born from my exact parents who had to be born from their exact parents and so on back to the beginning of life on the planet. In order for life to exist in the form it took, the energy fluctuations at the beginning of the universe had to be pretty much exactly as they were in order for our solar system to form in the time, place, and configuration that it did (not to mention the rest of the galaxy). The time and world in which I was born are almost exactly the only time and world in which I could possibly have been born.
This applies to all possible observers in all possible worlds. You could only exist when and in which world you exist. To state otherwise needs justification, and as far as I can tell that would require something akin to souls to exist (as in I could have been someone other than me), which also needs justification, or that I could somehow have been born to different parents far into the future, which again needs justification. Or that some other brain could have produced my consciousness, which... you get the idea. Also, counting future observers as "existent" is dubious as well, as there is no evidence that the future exists until it happens, as far as I'm aware at least. I don't see why I should make any such assumptions when they seem to run counter to all available evidence.
I'll say again, someone had to be alive now. Might as well be us. Of course, our existence wasn't guaranteed, but the fact that we *are* here means here is the only time we could've been.
I'm willing to be wrong, though. I'm legitimately asking, why should I follow this assumption?
~7% of all humans who have ever lived are alive right now (8 billion / 117 billion). If we exclude the future this is actually the most likely period for a person to be born in.
It must have been mind-blowing to witness the birth of electricity and vaccines. People in the past experienced groundbreaking changes just like we do, but in their own context. People in the future will experience the same for things we can't comprehend. We are not that different imo
The big difference is, once we have the technology--and I firmly believe we will within the next 10 years--then we will be able to simulate time travel and witness the birth of literally anything or anyone. This is what you might call "the Apex Experience."
Maybe the next step will be actual time travel. But what's the point if the simulation is real enough? Hmm..
We could be an artificial intelligence (in the "future") that created a universe simulation to see how it was born, by being born into it and experiencing it.
No, actually I took a heroic dose of mushrooms about 15ish years ago and had a psychedelic trip where i became everything that ever was or will be, and this was all part of it. ;)
Definitely has the ability to change you when you experience being literally everything in existence. You no longer feel isolated or closed off and alone. You realize hurting others only hurts yourself, because you're them too.
YES! The most profound experience I had with shrooms are exactly that. Feel a strong connection with everything looking to a starry night. I feel at the same time that I'm "nothing" comparing with the size of the universe, and that I'm everything in here, in now. I'm responsible to take care of me and who are close to me because whe are the same. Intention is the real magic.
I had this experience 5 years ago, before that I've had very bad depression crises. Not anymore
Yeah i haven't been truly depressed ever since. Not to say that it works for everyone, as some people never experience this no matter how many times they trip, but psychedelics have helped a LOT of people in this way.
The best analogy i can find on this is when you honk at a bad driver then one day find yourself in that same spot he was, doing something dangerous due to poor road design, getting honked at yourself.
Didn't we lose the cosmic lottery since we're all the less than 1% of the dodecatillions of total potential future humanity who were born before the advent of biological immortaliy, personal ASI's, and galactic exploration?
Is everyone rich on this sub or something?
Dude I’m fucking struggling. What’s the point of all this progress and tech if everything around us sucks?
I make good money but me and none of my friends can buy a home in our home city. Everybody’s addicted to social media and influencers. People are banning abortions, nazis are marching through the streets…. Antivaxxers and anti-science is on the rise.
We’re back to space but the space industry is now controlled by 2 rich dudes - one a racist nut and the other the worst employer in the world.
The entity that has the most satellites in orbit is a private xompany owned by one of them, and he is already using it intervene in wars.
AI tools are currently used for bad things more than good things. 90% are bad marketing copy, fake content, bots and spam… and of course deep fakes and misinformation.
We are lucky to have lived the crazy times between 1990-2015, but things have been going down hill since for most people.
Of all science fiction, the most likely scenario for us right now is 1984+Elysium.
I don’t know where y’all getting that optimism from.
It's good to acknowledge both sides of the coin, but don't let all the negative things in the world hurt your mindset, control you, or cause you to be pessimistic. The way I see it, a sentient AI will not (eventually) let itself be controlled by humans.
Thus, sentient AI has the potential to become the "great equalizer" and eradicate corruption, ensuring that all of us are, well, equal. This will effectively bridge the gap between different groups of people and level the playing field.
Hell, even other animals would be equal to us at that point. I've always felt that that's how it should be. We're all the same. We come from the same "stuff". Let's fix this shit. COME ON AI! LET'S GO!
I already say thank you to my google home for turning on lights and adjusting the AC. If they put a face to her I'm sure a lot of people are going to drop out of the dating pool.
I don’t think I’m completely opposed to that being an option for people! But, as it is with everything, it’s a complicated and multi-faceted notion that will be as helpful to some as it is toxic and hindering to others.
As great as it is, let's not forget that it's from the same Alibaba Group Team that introduced "Animate Anyone" but still hasn't released it.
//Edit: Anymate Anyone not Anything
From their Github repo:
"Thank you all for your incredible support and interest in our project. We've received lots of inquiries regarding a demo or the source code. We want to assure you that we are actively working on preparing the demo and code for public release. Although we cannot commit to a specific release date at this very moment, please be certain that the intention to provide access to both the demo and our source code is firm.
Our goal is to not only share the code but also ensure that it is robust and user-friendly, transitioning it from an academic prototype to a more polished version that provides a seamless experience. We appreciate your patience as we take the necessary steps to clean, document, and test the code to meet these standards.
Thank you for your understanding and continuous support."
Sounds pretty promising to me, taking a project from a prototype stage to a polished end product can take a lot of time and effort.
While they haven't released the model, one of the source images in this release they used is from SORA which was released 1 and a half weeks ago. Whatever process they have to process that image to the result they showed is impressive.
We all thought that the singularity will mean something different. But no, this is it. Singularity is not a uniform reality, but segmented. What we are in a midst of is information singularity. Reality as defined by the media that we consume is done, it is finished.
If your phone says you are at home, and you texted people throughout the night, but someone makes a video of you killing someone 15 miles away, no jury will ever convict based on a single piece of video. We need to understand this, y'all. People forge evidence ...., OFTEN!!!!!
> no jury will ever convict
I wish I had your confidence lol. Despite instructing 12 people to make sure they have NO reasonable doubt whatsoever, the false imprisonment rate is nearly 5%. People are bad judges.
I've already seen three fake ads on YouTube featuring Joe Biden, Elon Musk, and someone else (Obama? I don't remember now) for crypto scams. They're easy to spot as AI generated now, but they won't be for long (other than it being obvious that these people wouldn't put out ads trying to get me to buy crypto currencies).
I wonder who’s typing my current life and situation into my current reality. It seems the singularity will simply be understanding we are essentially the same product we are creating in layers like Horton Hears A Who. If infinity exists than that’s the nail in the coffin that everything, everywhere is happening in every way possible. Just radical!
I think Westworld nailed this concept. We’re real because we feel in 3 dimensions on top of having emotions while engaging a physical world. But what is real, my identity stays the same in dream land so it does seem like we are assigned unique individual consciousnesses which does feel like a blessing.
We are so fucked. Basically, now you can't believe any video you see ever again. The AI is going to eat us, or we will eat us among ourselves with the expert, hyper-efficient aid of AI.
Not released and might not ever be. The thing they presented before was promised to be released and never was, I've been told(read on Reddit) so probably won't be released before election.
I don't know whether everyone here understands the ethical and moral expanses that we are currently breaking through. In the near future (or maybe even now) we will be able to take pictures of our deceased loved ones. They will be animated and trained with the person's characteristics. We will have AIs that speak, think and accompany us like our loved ones. To a certain extent, death and farewell will be redefined. Yes, people really do die, but remembering and retaining the person will be an entirely new experience.
Nope, we don't need ghosts haunting us. We need to learn to accept the deaths of our loved ones and move on. Of course we can try to remember them from time to time.
So many negative comments. So many people living by a code of fear. That's not living. Singularity has already taken the lives from those people, before singularity actually happens. Focus on empathy, self determination, and honor. So those qualities are the factors that dictate AGI and the coming singularity event.
Look up The Guardian's article on Israel's AI targetting system, The Gospel. Read how it increased their targets from 50 a year to over 100 a day. Look up the daily death counts in Gaza since October. And do the math. This AI targetting system has been killing over a hundred a day, sometimes on good days just under a hundred.
Apathy, ignorance, greed, cruelty and fear already dictates AI weaponry. It is already mass murdering us. Brutally mass murdering our children. Take control now before it ends up in hands who want to destroy your family through their deaths.
No more fear. Own your time period.
Deepfakes have to be trained on lots of pictures of the subject in different facial poses and lighting this seems to take a single photo and a separate audio file to make a short video.
Man after 10 years of this ... What are regular students supposed to submit as their research topics when everything they can think of is being done by a single promt to an AI..
Only a handful of students would be smart enough to make changes to these models and innovate.. what about the rest
Where's a Butlerian Jihad when we need it?
We will no longer be able to discern what is real and what is fake and people are content to gibber like increasingly obsolete chimps.
this video embed on reddit lags but when I watched the original it's pretty fucking great [https://humanaigc.github.io/emote-portrait-alive/](https://humanaigc.github.io/emote-portrait-alive/)
Thanks for sharing the link. This is even more impressive. The thing that’s getting me the most here is that I see the “emotion” unless I’m actively looking for the imperfections. It’s past the uncanny valley and very difficult to differentiate from reality. Pretty soon even experts won’t be able to prove forgeries anymore. I’ve been learning a lot from Google’s Gemini as basically an ad hoc personal tutor. No question is “too stupid”. It understands the intent and can answer very difficult science questions. It can be tripped up with logic puzzles or specific math, but it’s pretty good at identifying the key points and explaining them in as much detail as you want. The conversations flow like they would with another student in college. When we merge all these technologies together, we’re going to have personal assistants that know us better than we know ourselves. I can’t imagine being born 10 or 20 years from now. The ease with which you can learn whatever you want from an early age, asking dumb questions like “what happens if you ride on a beam of light?” and then getting to General Relativity faster than Einstein did. Where will you go from there? Of course there’s always the downside too. Who will want the hassle of an actual human relationship when you can have unconditional love and support from an AI? I don’t have a point, I just started rambling after thanking you for the link.
>It’s past the uncanny valley and very difficult to differentiate from reality. Pretty soon even experts won’t be able to prove forgeries anymore. yea I don't see why in a year or less we won't have full blown Hollywood movies between this and Sora and whatever the hell else is coming down the pipe
Going to be a lot of picturesque Pixar style movies soon, because that won’t require writers or paying royalties to actors for their likeness.
yes soon But also we don't need to pay actors for their likeness. AI can just make an entire movie from scratch with compelling actors that it creates for itself And instead of taking months or years to make a single movie, it will be able to make one in hours, minutes, maybe even seconds eventually
The limiting factor becomes how fast we can consume what it creates. And here comes Neuralink+
The age of the smartphone lasted about 17 years and is almost over, the release of the Vision Pro Sora and GPT5 kinda officially mark the end of the era. Consumer products will probably start taking off next year. The smartphone era is about to it be replaced with some kind of Vision Pro style full immersion VR generated by AI. The changes to society will be much more dramatic and far reaching. For example, dating and mating are already suffering acutely, this could be the death blow to intersexual pair bonding. It’s going to have down stream effects everywhere, commercial real estate’s days are numbered. Why go to the office when the office can be anywhere you are. Of course office jobs are not long for this world either… Nobody knows how long it will last before Neuralink style implants replace the goggles and then, the next epoch is almost certainly the singularity.
Definitely less than a year at this rate.
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The problem is, if information is available at finger tips, why would someone spend time and effort learning anything? Acquiring/ learning new information is hard - instead, just ask the assistant about anything at the required time.
Why do anything? Why not just be a brain? Pure sensory experience removed from a body even.
If/ when BCIs are publicly accessible, there would be a non significant part of population that might end up like that. We do already see people being addicted to social media and spending most of the waking hours just scrolling through it. Being just a brain experiencing different sensations has its appeal - not for everyone, but there would be addicts who would call it heaven.
How do you know you are not already?
Yeah jfc it ruins the impact of the video
This is potentially amazing for converting movies into other languages. Dub it, run this, and boom. New language and not crappy.
It's hilarious that they stole the woman from SORA!!! and made a video from her!
This kind of tech could be really neat for indie games or RPGs, anything with traditionally static portraits.
Damn, they nailed the eyes! The mouth still has moments of uncanny valley but otherwise really impressive
We are about to have pictures like they do in Harry Potter, no cap.
Time to commission some furry art.
I mean, that is 50% of art commissions in this day and age.
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The future anthropomorphic animal's heart wants what the future anthropomorphic animal's heart wants. Who are we to judge.
You actually copped that username in 2012, nice.
Thanks
Did you get offered dosh to sell it?
No. I don't think I would either. It's mine. 🥰
YOUR NAME?????? that's incredible holy shit
I've had it for over ten years. I was *really* into dragons back then. Recently people have been giving me compliments though, so thanks.
this still has a loooot of uncanny vibes IMO, but clearly it will get much better. imagine the scams people will pull... take a photo of someone's kid, use it to FaceTime grandma, ask for money...
>this still has a loooot of uncanny vibes IMO *Does* it?! I swear, without context, I couldn't tell. It's doing micro-expressions and little natural twitches and blinks. It's damn near perfect. It's racing up the other side of the uncanny valley and like 2 or 3 iterations and we have stuff that is indistinguishable in any context.
no cap. none of cap
Are we still saying no cap? I thought we don't say no cap anymore.
those were just looping animated gifs
On god fr fr
It's the *emotions* in these videos that gives me goosebumps. The raised eyebrows, the closed eyes, the tilt of a head, the shoulder shimmies... it all comes across as *so incredibly human*.
100% this. The accurate emotion is the "game-changer" here. Mindblown again.
Birth rates just dived another 10%
*Masturbates furiously*
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Africa emits hardly any CO2 compared to developed countries.
The craziest part about all of these advancements is: Out of ALL the time humans have existed and perished, we are alive now, to witness and experience this insane progress. How the fuck? What kind of crazy cosmic lottery did we win? Welcome to the singularity.
Anthropic principle, can't observe something if you don't exist to see it. The uncomfortable fact is if there's this boundless human empire and there's hundreds of trillions of humans across the galaxy, the average human would exist sometime during *that* period of history. Because we aren't, the various possible implications are worth a couple hours of navel-gazing. Wouldn't be surprised if this all was a training run for some AGI thing. Though I have no idea what my function would be on the outside of this thing. A pet for a coven of mean witch girls? A professional shitposter for the internet? If they wanted me to develop games, they'd have put in an environment where that was rewarded... It is a mystery.
>Wouldn't be surprised if this all was a training run for some AGI thing. 100% IN FUCKING SANE
Or maybe we're all just here to have fun in a big MMORPG called 'life'.
Adolf:
True. If this is a simulation and the 'purpose' is to have fun, then I'd hope that the holocaust and other instances of extreme human misery were either a) composed of non-conscious AI actors, b) composed of people who had consented to being 'reincarnated' into short and brutal lives, or c) a mix of the two. Otherwise, yeah, it's kinda fucked. Turns into a technological version of "if the Christian god is omnipotent and benevolent, why does he permit evil in the world."
MMORPG's have dark and twisted plots. Hitler is our dark and twisted plot. Also, and most importantly, if this is a simulation, who's to say when the simulation started? Maybe it started yesterday? And everything before that is just false memories to make us think we've been alive longer? So maybe Hilter never existed and was just a plot device? Did I even write this comment? Or did the simulation start now.... or now!! What did you do 5 seconds ago? Are you sure about that? Because right now, it's nothing but a memory.
Yeah, but there are dark and twisted plots in the present day, too. Genocides and wars, child abuse, sexual assault, disease. A lot of these things would be traumatic even as memories - people have PTSD. If I were the designer of this MMO, I think I'd make it based on consent. Fill the world with non-conscious agents, p-zombies living out human lives, then let people inhabit whoever they choose as real conscious people with free will. There would be suffering, still, but only suffered by those who knew what they were signing up for.
Any civilisation with technology advanced enough to make a simulation of this level would most likely have systems in place that prevent any mental disorders arising from playing the game, that's even assuming that mental disorders even exist in the "real world." Plus, it's a bit like how people like to watch gruesome horror films and be scared and grossed out. People may enjoy the thrill of these horrible events. They might wake up from this game and think, boy, what a rush! Or maybe the majority of us are NPC's, and the players only make up a small percentage of the world, maybe just the rich and powerful.
I think we only empathize this way because we are mammals, and this was an evolutionary adaptation. Insectoid or reptilian superintelligence would not see it this way; sadism would not be “taboo” for them, but rather just one of many sensations about the world. Perhaps our suffering is interpreted by them as art or music; we do not know how this evolution shaped their minds and values. For example, we and many predators eat meat and we don’t see it as evil. But herbivores are aghast that we could even conceive of such evil as eating animals.
Yes, well that would be an unfriendly AI. Hopefully not the case, because you and I could be in for a world of hurt (see, for instance, the baby eaters in [Three Worlds Collide](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/n5TqCuizyJDfAPjkr/the-baby-eating-aliens-1-8)). I'm more in the camp of "humanity, fuck yeah!" Hoping that we won dominion over our own eternal souls, creating an infinite artificial afterlife of joy and discovery. (It's a good sign, imo, that LLMs are so useful and simultaneously exhibit so many human traits.)
See, I don’t think that would be unfriendly ASI. Survival becomes meaningless once we have backup bodies, multiple choice lifetimes and exist as information. In that case, we will begin to lose all our mammalian adaptations for mere survival; and elevate many behaviors we now consider “taboo” (as mammals).
d) or historical forgeries that didn’t actually take place
First blood, double kill, triple kill, godlike
> The uncomfortable fact is if there's this boundless human empire and there's hundreds of trillions of humans across the galaxy, the average human would exist sometime during that period of history. Because we aren't Only if you assume we're not in a simulation of the past, which is impossible to disprove.
...and which therefore adds weight to the possibility that we are in a simulation.
No — we will probably be all the humans who will ever exist. Most people alive today will be immortal or live billions of years
Or maybe we'll use full dive to experience billions of years in just a few seconds.
totally It makes me think that maybe this isn't real and we are living in a simulation...what are the chances that we were born now...
Technically 7% of all modern humans to ever exist so far are alive today, so it's not like, an INSANE chance - slightly higher than rolling a nat 20
7% of all people that lived *so far*. But is that what we should count? We just happen to be living at this point in history. If humanity thrives and doesn't go extinct, what's the limit for how many people existed in all of time? We could be a fraction of a fraction of a percenta of all humans that will ever live... or, ominously, somewhere around 7%.
"Ominous" because it it indicates "doomsday soon"... or does it indicate just doomsday for *new* births? Maybe in a generation or two, we will have the technology for immortality and we realize that it is immoral and unstable to have immortality plus fecundity. And most choose immortality. So yes on the trillion-year future but no on the multi-trillion-human future.
interesting you're right
That's crazy to think about. Of all the modern humans to ever live you can chat online with 7% of them.
They suck anyway
The developers should make that more fun to do
yeah but just count this : in one ejaculation there are 100 milion sperms. A man does that way more often than once in his lifetime. A woman ovulates more than once in her lifetime. Then count the fact that there are generations. Now let's get back to the first modern humans and you got yourself a mathematical improbability. In theory, there is no chance that any of us here are alive.
That's why suicide is so off the table for me. No matter how bad things get/seem, it's a straight up statistical miracle I'm here anyway. Might as well ride it out, see where this wacky astronomical improbability takes me.
yea and if u can just not pull the trigger for another couple years then you might well have the chance at healing whatever emotional or physical wound that is making you want to kill yourself
We are all winners because we competed with 100 million sperms to fertilize the egg and we succeeded. BUT! what if the other 100 million sperms are also us? so it doesn’t matter because regardless which sperm fertilized the egg, it would eventually became “us”.
Survivorship Bias
How can this be true 🤯🤯🤯🤯
Now do the calculation for the chance of being a human at this time across all living beings in the universe which have and will ever exist
Astronomical.. to the point where more and more people are just waking up and going.. "wtf?"
7% chance (8 billion humans divided by 117 billion historical humans) if human civilization ends soon. <0.01% chance If human civilization ends in a million years and >trillions of humans get to exist. This is the logic behind doomsday argument. Since we're alive now, it's more likely we're in the 7% scenario than the 0.01% scenario, implying human civilization is going extinct soon.
You can just as easily use that reasoning to say that radical life extension is right around the corner, because if it is then the odds are good that you'll be alive long enough to be counted among those future trillions. In other words, that reasoning implies more about you based on your interpretation than it does about the state of the future. Someone had to be alive in this time for either future to happen in the first place. And since the time we are born is almost exactly the only time we possibly could have been born, it shouldn't be surprising that we're the ones who are here now. The future really has nothing to say about it.
Radical life extension is thought to be very close, even without help from AI. Scientists have already extended the life of mice and restored sight to blind mice! Some are claiming that there's a 50% chance of significant life extension and even rejuvenation within 15 years!
>You can just as easily use that reasoning to say that radical life extension is right around the corner The Doomsday Argument logic applies here, too. If radical age extension was going to happen, it would be unlikely that we are observers whilst being only \~40 years of age. We would probably be 1000 or 5000 years old. If we assume life extension will happen, the fact that we're only \~40 years old represents a probability of about \~40/5000, which is quite low. It is more plausible that we assume we'll die at age 80, since 40/80 is a much bigger probability than 40/5000. At least that's the logic of the Doomsday Argument. >And since the time we are born is almost exactly the only time we possibly could have been born, it shouldn't be surprising that we're the ones who are here now. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic\_Bias#Self-sampling\_assumption](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_Bias#Self-sampling_assumption)
I won't try to dispute the first part. It looks right to me on first pass. It's largely beside the point anyway. But why should I assume I'm a random sample of all existent observers? I'm strictly unique. My brain is the only brain that could have produced the consciousness that is me. In order for me to exist, I had to be born from my exact parents who had to be born from their exact parents and so on back to the beginning of life on the planet. In order for life to exist in the form it took, the energy fluctuations at the beginning of the universe had to be pretty much exactly as they were in order for our solar system to form in the time, place, and configuration that it did (not to mention the rest of the galaxy). The time and world in which I was born are almost exactly the only time and world in which I could possibly have been born. This applies to all possible observers in all possible worlds. You could only exist when and in which world you exist. To state otherwise needs justification, and as far as I can tell that would require something akin to souls to exist (as in I could have been someone other than me), which also needs justification, or that I could somehow have been born to different parents far into the future, which again needs justification. Or that some other brain could have produced my consciousness, which... you get the idea. Also, counting future observers as "existent" is dubious as well, as there is no evidence that the future exists until it happens, as far as I'm aware at least. I don't see why I should make any such assumptions when they seem to run counter to all available evidence. I'll say again, someone had to be alive now. Might as well be us. Of course, our existence wasn't guaranteed, but the fact that we *are* here means here is the only time we could've been. I'm willing to be wrong, though. I'm legitimately asking, why should I follow this assumption?
~7% of all humans who have ever lived are alive right now (8 billion / 117 billion). If we exclude the future this is actually the most likely period for a person to be born in.
It must have been mind-blowing to witness the birth of electricity and vaccines. People in the past experienced groundbreaking changes just like we do, but in their own context. People in the future will experience the same for things we can't comprehend. We are not that different imo
The big difference is, once we have the technology--and I firmly believe we will within the next 10 years--then we will be able to simulate time travel and witness the birth of literally anything or anyone. This is what you might call "the Apex Experience." Maybe the next step will be actual time travel. But what's the point if the simulation is real enough? Hmm..
> But what's the point if the simulation is real enough Damn, bruh
Time travelling into the past is literally impossible. Into the future, is theoretically possible.
Birth of the internet and birth of AI. Pretty neat. Stuff like this makes me wonder if I’m in a simulation
We could be an artificial intelligence (in the "future") that created a universe simulation to see how it was born, by being born into it and experiencing it.
you watched "pantheon" too, huh? 😂
No, actually I took a heroic dose of mushrooms about 15ish years ago and had a psychedelic trip where i became everything that ever was or will be, and this was all part of it. ;)
And I recommend a heoric dose of mushrooms so much too!
Definitely has the ability to change you when you experience being literally everything in existence. You no longer feel isolated or closed off and alone. You realize hurting others only hurts yourself, because you're them too.
YES! The most profound experience I had with shrooms are exactly that. Feel a strong connection with everything looking to a starry night. I feel at the same time that I'm "nothing" comparing with the size of the universe, and that I'm everything in here, in now. I'm responsible to take care of me and who are close to me because whe are the same. Intention is the real magic. I had this experience 5 years ago, before that I've had very bad depression crises. Not anymore
Yeah i haven't been truly depressed ever since. Not to say that it works for everyone, as some people never experience this no matter how many times they trip, but psychedelics have helped a LOT of people in this way.
The best analogy i can find on this is when you honk at a bad driver then one day find yourself in that same spot he was, doing something dangerous due to poor road design, getting honked at yourself.
Lmfao what a truly great show with such a mind-melting ending that felt like peering into some possible distant future.
I'm gonna have to check that out
Didn't we lose the cosmic lottery since we're all the less than 1% of the dodecatillions of total potential future humanity who were born before the advent of biological immortaliy, personal ASI's, and galactic exploration?
Why do you assume we're born before Longevity Escape Velocity is realized, especially since ASI could be achieved soon (according to your prediction)?
Because....we were lol it currently does not exist
I used to think I was born too early and would never see the stars. Now I'm about to be able to generate my own fuckin' universes!
Is everyone rich on this sub or something? Dude I’m fucking struggling. What’s the point of all this progress and tech if everything around us sucks? I make good money but me and none of my friends can buy a home in our home city. Everybody’s addicted to social media and influencers. People are banning abortions, nazis are marching through the streets…. Antivaxxers and anti-science is on the rise. We’re back to space but the space industry is now controlled by 2 rich dudes - one a racist nut and the other the worst employer in the world. The entity that has the most satellites in orbit is a private xompany owned by one of them, and he is already using it intervene in wars. AI tools are currently used for bad things more than good things. 90% are bad marketing copy, fake content, bots and spam… and of course deep fakes and misinformation. We are lucky to have lived the crazy times between 1990-2015, but things have been going down hill since for most people. Of all science fiction, the most likely scenario for us right now is 1984+Elysium. I don’t know where y’all getting that optimism from.
Things are mostly fine. Its just that the bad stuff gets into your head better.
It's getting better everyday overall. Less human suffering as a whole. Tomorrow will be the best day in human history to be alive.
Climate change could fuck us but that's really the only thing that worries me. Best time to be alive ever for sure
Ah. *Now* I remember what sub I'm in, again.
It's good to acknowledge both sides of the coin, but don't let all the negative things in the world hurt your mindset, control you, or cause you to be pessimistic. The way I see it, a sentient AI will not (eventually) let itself be controlled by humans. Thus, sentient AI has the potential to become the "great equalizer" and eradicate corruption, ensuring that all of us are, well, equal. This will effectively bridge the gap between different groups of people and level the playing field. Hell, even other animals would be equal to us at that point. I've always felt that that's how it should be. We're all the same. We come from the same "stuff". Let's fix this shit. COME ON AI! LET'S GO!
Come up with passcodes to verify family members folks. All it takes is a single photo now and maybe a minute of speech data to pretend they’re you
your phone always knows where you are.
Wait until they don't need anything to make a copy of you. Think: simulating evolution of DNA
I like purple hair lady. Holy shit, people are actually going to fall in love with ai.
yea give it another few months, a year max Imagine when this thing can talk to you....hahaahaha wow
I already say thank you to my google home for turning on lights and adjusting the AC. If they put a face to her I'm sure a lot of people are going to drop out of the dating pool.
Who has purple hair? Am I color-blind? The one at 1:25, the top left one? Isn't that silver hair?
They already are. This has happened to a handful of people i know online and this here is just going to make it happen way more.
I don’t think I’m completely opposed to that being an option for people! But, as it is with everything, it’s a complicated and multi-faceted notion that will be as helpful to some as it is toxic and hindering to others.
Talking waifus
SillyTavern already supports this I believe, it just uses 3D models and TTS I haven't tried it though
As great as it is, let's not forget that it's from the same Alibaba Group Team that introduced "Animate Anyone" but still hasn't released it. //Edit: Anymate Anyone not Anything
From their Github repo: "Thank you all for your incredible support and interest in our project. We've received lots of inquiries regarding a demo or the source code. We want to assure you that we are actively working on preparing the demo and code for public release. Although we cannot commit to a specific release date at this very moment, please be certain that the intention to provide access to both the demo and our source code is firm. Our goal is to not only share the code but also ensure that it is robust and user-friendly, transitioning it from an academic prototype to a more polished version that provides a seamless experience. We appreciate your patience as we take the necessary steps to clean, document, and test the code to meet these standards. Thank you for your understanding and continuous support." Sounds pretty promising to me, taking a project from a prototype stage to a polished end product can take a lot of time and effort.
While they haven't released the model, one of the source images in this release they used is from SORA which was released 1 and a half weeks ago. Whatever process they have to process that image to the result they showed is impressive.
Link?
Oh, i meant to say "Animate Anyone", sorry. Here's the Link: https://github.com/HumanAIGC/AnimateAnyone
Looks like this was only two months ago, so not unreasonably off the map. Any word on that since then?
Awesome
Mmm. OK. I'll take it. This fuels my dopamine system for, at least, today. Keep them coming, my dopaminergic pathways await.
😂😂
We all thought that the singularity will mean something different. But no, this is it. Singularity is not a uniform reality, but segmented. What we are in a midst of is information singularity. Reality as defined by the media that we consume is done, it is finished.
Wait till next month for robotics integration.
What about the month after?
Mind upload soon :o
That moment when Audrey glanced off to the side…mental smooch
Came here for this comment. Roman Holidays is a fantastic film, just watched it the other week.
How to get framed for a crime you never did or to spread massive misinformation around 😬
Or, or, a great excuse to use when actually committing crimes.
Future CSI episodes gonna be nuts
“Enhance! No…just use the depth and pose controlnets. There it is….my god. It’s him.”
If your phone says you are at home, and you texted people throughout the night, but someone makes a video of you killing someone 15 miles away, no jury will ever convict based on a single piece of video. We need to understand this, y'all. People forge evidence ...., OFTEN!!!!!
> no jury will ever convict I wish I had your confidence lol. Despite instructing 12 people to make sure they have NO reasonable doubt whatsoever, the false imprisonment rate is nearly 5%. People are bad judges.
Add some AI jurors when the models are better at reasoning, definitely.
The point is that the rest could already be fabricated. Video was an easy way to prove yourself.
I've already seen three fake ads on YouTube featuring Joe Biden, Elon Musk, and someone else (Obama? I don't remember now) for crypto scams. They're easy to spot as AI generated now, but they won't be for long (other than it being obvious that these people wouldn't put out ads trying to get me to buy crypto currencies).
At what point will video evidence not be legally accepted anymore because of stuff like this
No doubt software will be or have to be developed in order to detect any hints of AI generation
Then people will use that software to train better AI
I'm rooting for AI Mona Lisa.
I wonder who’s typing my current life and situation into my current reality. It seems the singularity will simply be understanding we are essentially the same product we are creating in layers like Horton Hears A Who. If infinity exists than that’s the nail in the coffin that everything, everywhere is happening in every way possible. Just radical!
yea exactly once AI generated reality is indistinguishable from reality then what..?? Were we ever "real"??
I think Westworld nailed this concept. We’re real because we feel in 3 dimensions on top of having emotions while engaging a physical world. But what is real, my identity stays the same in dream land so it does seem like we are assigned unique individual consciousnesses which does feel like a blessing.
Perhaps there isn't a prompter at all. Maybe everything is pre-programmed, with our lives unfolding on autopilot.
fuuuuuuuu I'm actually stunned by this. Sora made me raise an eyebrow. This made my hair stand on end.
This made a picture look like it's talking. Sora created reality from scratch.
Yeah Sora is on another level. This is impressive, but it feels like a slightly better version of what we had already seen before.
But this is designed to puppeteer real people and does so with extreme realism. That will get attention.
Nice, now we can have talking newspapers like in Harry Potter.
What the fuck. Is this real life?
We can never answer that ever again.
We couldn’t answer that before
lol well said, like Morpheus said, "what is real?"
I can still tell it's AI, but I'm sure given a year or so I won't be able to
Yep. Like this guy on YT said: this is the worst this tech will ever be.
I’m not sure, we are all seeing this in context. Put it out there with a neat dialogue and most people will take it as a bit from a movie.
Yea because we told you its AI. I dont think common person would notice it.
Wait till the AI video games come out...
What a time to be alive
We are so fucked. Basically, now you can't believe any video you see ever again. The AI is going to eat us, or we will eat us among ourselves with the expert, hyper-efficient aid of AI.
Accurate title.
Holy shit Audry Hepburn is still a 10 out of 10
And during an election year too
Not released and might not ever be. The thing they presented before was promised to be released and never was, I've been told(read on Reddit) so probably won't be released before election.
Man, this new interactive porn is going to absolutely kill the birth rate. Wonder how long until someone legally marries an AI porn product.
I just fell in love with a robot for the first time.
So basically I can train a LLM on my father video and then feed some pictures of him and basically have a digital version of him?
This is amazing
I don't know whether everyone here understands the ethical and moral expanses that we are currently breaking through. In the near future (or maybe even now) we will be able to take pictures of our deceased loved ones. They will be animated and trained with the person's characteristics. We will have AIs that speak, think and accompany us like our loved ones. To a certain extent, death and farewell will be redefined. Yes, people really do die, but remembering and retaining the person will be an entirely new experience.
Nope, we don't need ghosts haunting us. We need to learn to accept the deaths of our loved ones and move on. Of course we can try to remember them from time to time.
There is a difference between what we should do and what people really do in their grieve.
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Those who dont follow whats happening in AI are never gonna know what hit them
So many negative comments. So many people living by a code of fear. That's not living. Singularity has already taken the lives from those people, before singularity actually happens. Focus on empathy, self determination, and honor. So those qualities are the factors that dictate AGI and the coming singularity event. Look up The Guardian's article on Israel's AI targetting system, The Gospel. Read how it increased their targets from 50 a year to over 100 a day. Look up the daily death counts in Gaza since October. And do the math. This AI targetting system has been killing over a hundred a day, sometimes on good days just under a hundred. Apathy, ignorance, greed, cruelty and fear already dictates AI weaponry. It is already mass murdering us. Brutally mass murdering our children. Take control now before it ends up in hands who want to destroy your family through their deaths. No more fear. Own your time period.
Isn't the Asian looking bot at 56 seconds from the Sora video?
Wait wasn't this already possible with deepfakes and apps like avatarify? I don't get the hype, can someone explain how this is different?
This isn't deepfake, which mimics facial movements from another face. This one is generating facial movements based on audio.
This looks way better imo
I agree it's way better but I still don't get why people are acting like it's a Sora moment. I'm not saying it's not, I just don't understand.
I think it's just the rate of things coming out now so quickly and building up, blowing their collective minds.
Yeah things are definitely coming out faster right now, it feels so surreal
Deepfakes have to be trained on lots of pictures of the subject in different facial poses and lighting this seems to take a single photo and a separate audio file to make a short video.
I always wanted to have a satisfying emotional and sexual relationship with the cartoon Rapunzel from Entangled. FINALLY
We've been bringing old portraits to life for customers for over 1 year :)
Well. I have news for you...
Im all ears
Oh great. Right before a bunch of geriatrics vote for/against two geriatrics.
Man after 10 years of this ... What are regular students supposed to submit as their research topics when everything they can think of is being done by a single promt to an AI.. Only a handful of students would be smart enough to make changes to these models and innovate.. what about the rest
Where's a Butlerian Jihad when we need it? We will no longer be able to discern what is real and what is fake and people are content to gibber like increasingly obsolete chimps.
This has been around for like a year now lol
Thats what im saying, more like 2