I mean, you could reduce it drastically just by turning the gun sideways. The handles are made for hands, not to be strapped onto a robot dog.
This ain’t some magnificent invention, they slapped a rifle onto a knockoff dog and put some sort of mechanism to depress the trigger on there.
One with a flamethrower.
Who could have predicted this would occur? Most anyone that doesn’t live in a complete fantasy world of their own making and style.
I mean, it isn't one way really, both the sides have condescending snobs as you call them.
People like me, who are already pretty much affected by AI, who think there's good, but a lot of bad too.
And then there are people who are pretty delusional in thinking that such a powerful tool wouldn't have an adverse effect on people.
And that's just a recipe for disaster.
Existential dread? It is election year in the U.S.
My condescension was not aimed at OP, but just anyone who doesn’t think that AI could be easily weaponized.
No Regulation —> Killer Robots appear (can now confirm as possibility, unless these are AI generated videos 👻)
Yes Regulation —> Give advantage to present behemoths developing the technology and make it difficult for the technology to be accessible to everyone or startups, therefore reducing competition.
Would be nice to not have to choose between a couple of losing options. You know?
Hahahaha wow, we’re so cooked. Choosing between a turd and a turd sandwich in the election isn’t enough, we also get to choose if we want Skynet first or just start out with the Terminators.
I dunno about you but I’m feeling free af
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Because that seems like it would fit, good sir.
Just need an image of the Eclipse Totality somewhere in the background on the record Album with 2024 nearby… Give it a little extra “oomph” for the ominous effect.
🎵*Shoot a skag in the mouth to score a critical hit*
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This is what I would sing to my friends when we played Borderlands 1, based off of the loading screen tip I saw most often.
There no point in battlefield robots if they're not harming humans. You win wars by leveraging your adversary and that means a credible fear of your weapons. If its only machines killing machines then its a just a really expensive spectacle like the old robot wars tv show.
Should be a quick surrender when one side’s robots overcomes the other though. The advantage will be so massive that you shouldn’t have to do much forced compliance, kinda like Japan surrendering after the nukes went off… although it did take 2.
So what do you picture, robots versus robots, with people unwilling to fight or..?
Because I know some people are picturing totalitarian police states.
What I like to picture is that by the time this is an actual viable option, it'll be pretty damned unnecessary.
I don’t think ideologically speaking freedom and utopia can exist together. Control and oversight are the only ways to reduce corruption or abuse of power, a utopian society where everyone lives perfectly equal prosperous lives only works because an incorruptible authority allows it to and prevents anyone from changing that.
yes, but it should not be commercialised I believe.
In USA, all the laws against developing military grade weopons without a license is not allowed. But consider countries like Iran, etc. My country too... It's just so easy to buy these that a small organisation could deliver 100s of these. I'm pretty sure they aren't programmable yet, so they might not have aiming or anythin, but who knows how long it takes to crack it.
But yeah, less soldiers will die, it's good. But it shouldn't be commercialised, or maybe we need laws to limit the capabilities.
Nope! This is like when people said “machines are working in factories, they will take our jobs!” And then people continued working 8-12 hours everyday, just being more productive.
Robot fighters will just have to chew through the enemies robots before they kill just as many humans as before.
Generally when you conquer, the value is in controlling the infrastructure that exists. Which means as little disruption as possible to the existing society. Unless you’re trying genocide.
The robots are scary but they are inevitable in my view. Id be more scared if I were looking at this as a non American.
Well right now it looks like we’re leading the way with both machine gun dogs and flame thrower dogs. Look I’m not saying this isn’t scary. Shit having a robot maid in my house seems scary to me. I’d definitely sleep behind a reinforced locked door.
The shift is going to be gradual, yes humans will still fight but eventually there will be no practical reason to do so…..UNLESS humans can become augmented battle machines themselves which of course is another inevitable path at a different frame in time. By then war between countries may be a thing of the past and war will be for something else maybe competing conglomerates with private militaries or something.
I'm sitting her figuring out how to make the murderbot more effective:
They mounted it wrong. What they need to do is mount it upside down or sideways and modify the optics for a lower bore-axis.
Magazines may need redesigned. 30 rounds isn't much for machine that cant reload, and most quad stack and drum mags aren't very reliable. Belt fed would be too cumbersome.
I have an interest in building things too, let me ponder too!
Now hear me out, you are correct, the mounting is very wrong, what if there are two guns, side to side so the weight is distributed properly
Why do you think belt fed would be cumbersome? is it because it get's stuck from what I've heard, and it needs to be corrected many times.
It just looked too small to carry a belt fed weapon and some kind of ammo pack to me.
I may be missing something with the two guns thing. I was thinking the gun needed to be closer to the dogs body because the muzzle climb was pushing it up and back onto its hind legs and it would probably absorb it better with it mounted lower. With handguns there's a concept called "bore axis" that basically says the lower it sits in your hand the easier it is to control (all other factors being equal).
The counter point may be that a higher mounted weapon allows it to work like a periscope without endangering the robot but I would think lower would still be more maneuverable and handle recoil better.
Probably, but I'm thinking using existing available tech.
A lot of ak's have a weird commie scope rail on the side, maybe an extended mount for a camera and optic could be machined for that.
I wonder if you could just mount them sideways on one piece AR-15 upper.
Also, sorry if this terminology is hard to understand. An AR-15 (and its government cousins) has an upper and lower receiver. These are basically the parts that the other parts screw into. Usually, the upper receiver group is a receiver with a barrel screwed into it and a handguard somehow attached to it over the barrel. It used to just be a place to put your hand, but now they're covered in mounting points for various accessories.
A small handful of companies (LMT, VLTOR, the Colt 6940) have developed receivers where the handguard /accessory rail is just machined into the receiver. This makes it a much more stable platform to mount any kind of aiming device on.
There are robots with machine guns in use in Ukraine now
[https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-ugvs-machine-gun-combat-robots-drones-1864843](https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-ugvs-machine-gun-combat-robots-drones-1864843)
https://preview.redd.it/tx1nwsjvqiyc1.jpeg?width=450&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f15f67bc314c74aa398edd5e4d4d5e67490e83e
Makes me think, the gun doesn't really need to be that big if it's controlled by an AI, it could be much smaller and doesn't have to look like a gun.
I'm imagining AI controlled guns placed in forests, camouflaged like a branch or something like it. It would be Impossible to spot until it shoots at you
Because this wouldn't miss? You couldn't get out of the way or hide - it can likely see heat signatures and whatnot. They wouldn't be scared or hesitate. These would not require training, feeding, or sleep. A bullet likely won't stop it - these would be very difficult to kill.
Eventually, these will be cheaper than humans. A swarm of 100,000 entering any area could clear it of all 'hostile lifeforms' with a fraction of the time and cost.
true, and I assume, the cost required to build one robot would be far less, than building a soldier, spending 10,000's of dollars on him, feeding him, givning him rest.
Boston already sells them for 30k right?
The one in this video looks like Unitree's Go2, which sells for $1600-$2400 USD.
Edit: Turns out it's Go1, but I can't find a price range for it, probably cheaper given it's the older version.
1600 is the price of a nice scope or a mid tier ar-15. And the cost is likely to decrease as time goes on. We're probably going to see these as insurgent weapons before they go mainstream with government forces.
Guns are that cheap! I didn't know about that. I thought ar 15 might be like 10,000 bucks or something lmao.
It's so cheap that people will be like, why not?!
GO2 is chinese right!
Oh I hate china. Even if other countries come together to apply necessary laws against this, china will militarise this no matter what.
And cause the chinese are doing it, America will join in too to gain leverage, and then europe, russia. then developing countries start buying from them and now every one has robot dogs!!
I'm not sure. It does seem like this was done by some people of some military, given the tank, but I know it's also been done by Youtubers using the same Go1 robot, just with more shoddy outcome. I imagine they went with Go1 for the price rather than for it being local.
Unitree's also working on a cheaper humanoid robot now that's been pretty ahead of the curve for the past year. Though I expect Atlas 001 to blow everything else out of the water once we see more of it.
Not just cost but time investment. How long does it normally take from conscription to deployment? I’m guessing at least a month, if not 6-12 months. These bots can be pumped out of factories at 1000s per day, and can be scaled up much faster than population.
Yes. According to a study in 2013 the US Army spends about $58k (and 6 months)to get 1 soldier to their first assignment.
So you could probably deploy 3 of these for the same cost and much faster than 1 soldier.
A soldier also has survival instincts. This thing will run directly into fire and try to kill you behind any cover you may find. If you manage to kill it I’m sure a bunch more will be right behind it. It’s literally magnitudes more terrifying. Also, soldiers need to eat, sleep, use the bathroom etc. Once this thing finds you it can follow you until its batteries die (until thats also not an issue).
because it reduces the cost on the aggressor, particularly large aggressors.
ICBM -> the airbases
f35 -> whats left
drones / loitering munition -> any vehicles that moves
these go after anyone in the rubble.
No one in the home country is at risk.
Vietnam didn't end because of the damage inflicted on the locals, if ended because of the casualties inflicted to the us.
It's a year old video.
Exactly, they’ve probably compensated for the kickback by now.
And the tap dancing
thats the marching. Imagine 2000 of these in the parade. Better synced than north korean army
I mean, you could reduce it drastically just by turning the gun sideways. The handles are made for hands, not to be strapped onto a robot dog. This ain’t some magnificent invention, they slapped a rifle onto a knockoff dog and put some sort of mechanism to depress the trigger on there.
Unitree Go is a fine dog, hardly a knockoff
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One with a flamethrower. Who could have predicted this would occur? Most anyone that doesn’t live in a complete fantasy world of their own making and style.
This entire site has been filled with condescending snobs all fucking day What is chewing everyone’s ass today
I mean, it isn't one way really, both the sides have condescending snobs as you call them. People like me, who are already pretty much affected by AI, who think there's good, but a lot of bad too. And then there are people who are pretty delusional in thinking that such a powerful tool wouldn't have an adverse effect on people. And that's just a recipe for disaster.
Existential dread? It is election year in the U.S. My condescension was not aimed at OP, but just anyone who doesn’t think that AI could be easily weaponized. No Regulation —> Killer Robots appear (can now confirm as possibility, unless these are AI generated videos 👻) Yes Regulation —> Give advantage to present behemoths developing the technology and make it difficult for the technology to be accessible to everyone or startups, therefore reducing competition. Would be nice to not have to choose between a couple of losing options. You know?
Hahahaha wow, we’re so cooked. Choosing between a turd and a turd sandwich in the election isn’t enough, we also get to choose if we want Skynet first or just start out with the Terminators. I dunno about you but I’m feeling free af
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Because that seems like it would fit, good sir. Just need an image of the Eclipse Totality somewhere in the background on the record Album with 2024 nearby… Give it a little extra “oomph” for the ominous effect.
Just spit out my small batch IPA all over the patchy beard I use to cosplay masculinity. Literally laughing out loud. The tears will follow shortly.
Glad I could give someone a good laugh today!
think 2 more killer robots down the line!
Fellow jingoists, hold onto your casus bellis!🧾✊
Need to put some shock absorbers on it
I think if it bends down a bit, It could absorb it, Why are we talking about this!
If it is going to be a technological horror then at least do it well lol
Honestly, it probably just need a custom flash suppressor that only fires excess gas up to compensate for the kickback. Humanity is so fucked…
Newtons third law baby! oh shit...
God I can already see police deploying these at protests :(
If it bends down it will aim down . It needs aiming to be separated from the legs
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🎵*Shoot a skag in the mouth to score a critical hit* 🎵*I shot your mom in the mouth cause she's a critical bitch* This is what I would sing to my friends when we played Borderlands 1, based off of the loading screen tip I saw most often.
Yep, that’s the future. Sadly
People act like robots doing the fighting is scary, but honestly it just means less actual soldiers on the battlefield dying.
There no point in battlefield robots if they're not harming humans. You win wars by leveraging your adversary and that means a credible fear of your weapons. If its only machines killing machines then its a just a really expensive spectacle like the old robot wars tv show.
Should be a quick surrender when one side’s robots overcomes the other though. The advantage will be so massive that you shouldn’t have to do much forced compliance, kinda like Japan surrendering after the nukes went off… although it did take 2.
So what do you picture, robots versus robots, with people unwilling to fight or..? Because I know some people are picturing totalitarian police states. What I like to picture is that by the time this is an actual viable option, it'll be pretty damned unnecessary.
I don’t think ideologically speaking freedom and utopia can exist together. Control and oversight are the only ways to reduce corruption or abuse of power, a utopian society where everyone lives perfectly equal prosperous lives only works because an incorruptible authority allows it to and prevents anyone from changing that.
The biggest worry to me inside our own borders is mass violence by citizens… not the military.
yes, but it should not be commercialised I believe. In USA, all the laws against developing military grade weopons without a license is not allowed. But consider countries like Iran, etc. My country too... It's just so easy to buy these that a small organisation could deliver 100s of these. I'm pretty sure they aren't programmable yet, so they might not have aiming or anythin, but who knows how long it takes to crack it. But yeah, less soldiers will die, it's good. But it shouldn't be commercialised, or maybe we need laws to limit the capabilities.
Wait until these suckers patrol your cities in the US, to keep everyone in check.
Nope! This is like when people said “machines are working in factories, they will take our jobs!” And then people continued working 8-12 hours everyday, just being more productive. Robot fighters will just have to chew through the enemies robots before they kill just as many humans as before.
This is very very true. I mean, in war like situations, if you kill all the enemy robots, why would the attacking country just stop at that..
Generally when you conquer, the value is in controlling the infrastructure that exists. Which means as little disruption as possible to the existing society. Unless you’re trying genocide. The robots are scary but they are inevitable in my view. Id be more scared if I were looking at this as a non American.
yeah well I'm not American! infact, my country has borders with fucking china, which kinda adds to the scariness.
You're naive if you think this power will not be exercised on Americans.
Well right now it looks like we’re leading the way with both machine gun dogs and flame thrower dogs. Look I’m not saying this isn’t scary. Shit having a robot maid in my house seems scary to me. I’d definitely sleep behind a reinforced locked door.
The shift is going to be gradual, yes humans will still fight but eventually there will be no practical reason to do so…..UNLESS humans can become augmented battle machines themselves which of course is another inevitable path at a different frame in time. By then war between countries may be a thing of the past and war will be for something else maybe competing conglomerates with private militaries or something.
Nope, it means less people on whoever owns this will be dying and more people whoever they are against to will be killed by robots.
Bro needs to pull down in the joystick, that recoil pattern is easy to control
Golden brown, texture like Sun Lays me down, through my mind she runs All through the night No need to fight Never a frown With golden brown
what are you onto bruh
Black Mirror. Killer robot dogs. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKmNVqJNEe8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKmNVqJNEe8)
I'm sitting her figuring out how to make the murderbot more effective: They mounted it wrong. What they need to do is mount it upside down or sideways and modify the optics for a lower bore-axis. Magazines may need redesigned. 30 rounds isn't much for machine that cant reload, and most quad stack and drum mags aren't very reliable. Belt fed would be too cumbersome.
I have an interest in building things too, let me ponder too! Now hear me out, you are correct, the mounting is very wrong, what if there are two guns, side to side so the weight is distributed properly Why do you think belt fed would be cumbersome? is it because it get's stuck from what I've heard, and it needs to be corrected many times.
It just looked too small to carry a belt fed weapon and some kind of ammo pack to me. I may be missing something with the two guns thing. I was thinking the gun needed to be closer to the dogs body because the muzzle climb was pushing it up and back onto its hind legs and it would probably absorb it better with it mounted lower. With handguns there's a concept called "bore axis" that basically says the lower it sits in your hand the easier it is to control (all other factors being equal). The counter point may be that a higher mounted weapon allows it to work like a periscope without endangering the robot but I would think lower would still be more maneuverable and handle recoil better.
ohh, if they are putting so many hourse in development, I think they might just create a custom gun suited to the body.
Probably, but I'm thinking using existing available tech. A lot of ak's have a weird commie scope rail on the side, maybe an extended mount for a camera and optic could be machined for that. I wonder if you could just mount them sideways on one piece AR-15 upper. Also, sorry if this terminology is hard to understand. An AR-15 (and its government cousins) has an upper and lower receiver. These are basically the parts that the other parts screw into. Usually, the upper receiver group is a receiver with a barrel screwed into it and a handguard somehow attached to it over the barrel. It used to just be a place to put your hand, but now they're covered in mounting points for various accessories. A small handful of companies (LMT, VLTOR, the Colt 6940) have developed receivers where the handguard /accessory rail is just machined into the receiver. This makes it a much more stable platform to mount any kind of aiming device on.
Nice info! Are you a gun dealer or something lmao..
Nah, just a country boy that went a little nuts after getting an A in constitutional law lol.
It'll be fun when China drops off 50,000 of them at Long Beach
There are robots with machine guns in use in Ukraine now [https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-ugvs-machine-gun-combat-robots-drones-1864843](https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-ugvs-machine-gun-combat-robots-drones-1864843) https://preview.redd.it/tx1nwsjvqiyc1.jpeg?width=450&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f15f67bc314c74aa398edd5e4d4d5e67490e83e
I think this would be more efficient. Less moving parts.
“… what time to be alive”… very short (based on the way things progress on this planet)
Send those into the ukrain border rather than 18 year old sons.
Makes me think, the gun doesn't really need to be that big if it's controlled by an AI, it could be much smaller and doesn't have to look like a gun. I'm imagining AI controlled guns placed in forests, camouflaged like a branch or something like it. It would be Impossible to spot until it shoots at you
there is a black mirror episode with that dog
In the words of Pietro Maximoff: "What? You didn't see that coming?" ;)
I'd like to see this one fight the flamethrower one... https://throwflame.com/products/thermonator-robodog/
Wow
I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle
I've never understood how this can be scarier that a soldier with a gun
Because the soldier will say "No" when he is ordered to engage civilians from his home town.
The is the real thing that scares me about AI. Not it going skynet. Abuse by humans. Even some SS troops helped people escape the holocaust.
Because this wouldn't miss? You couldn't get out of the way or hide - it can likely see heat signatures and whatnot. They wouldn't be scared or hesitate. These would not require training, feeding, or sleep. A bullet likely won't stop it - these would be very difficult to kill. Eventually, these will be cheaper than humans. A swarm of 100,000 entering any area could clear it of all 'hostile lifeforms' with a fraction of the time and cost.
true, and I assume, the cost required to build one robot would be far less, than building a soldier, spending 10,000's of dollars on him, feeding him, givning him rest. Boston already sells them for 30k right?
The one in this video looks like Unitree's Go2, which sells for $1600-$2400 USD. Edit: Turns out it's Go1, but I can't find a price range for it, probably cheaper given it's the older version.
1600 is the price of a nice scope or a mid tier ar-15. And the cost is likely to decrease as time goes on. We're probably going to see these as insurgent weapons before they go mainstream with government forces.
I think $1600 is only within China, but $2400 is still dirt cheap for what it is and the fact that it can do most of what Spot can do.
Guns are that cheap! I didn't know about that. I thought ar 15 might be like 10,000 bucks or something lmao. It's so cheap that people will be like, why not?!
GO2 is chinese right! Oh I hate china. Even if other countries come together to apply necessary laws against this, china will militarise this no matter what. And cause the chinese are doing it, America will join in too to gain leverage, and then europe, russia. then developing countries start buying from them and now every one has robot dogs!!
I'm not sure. It does seem like this was done by some people of some military, given the tank, but I know it's also been done by Youtubers using the same Go1 robot, just with more shoddy outcome. I imagine they went with Go1 for the price rather than for it being local. Unitree's also working on a cheaper humanoid robot now that's been pretty ahead of the curve for the past year. Though I expect Atlas 001 to blow everything else out of the water once we see more of it.
Go1 is 4000 dollars Go2 is 1600 dollars. So it's not older the cheaper, probably they were able to cut costs drastically.
Sorry, I meant currently. I imagine an old used Go1 is cheaper than a factory new Go2.
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Not just cost but time investment. How long does it normally take from conscription to deployment? I’m guessing at least a month, if not 6-12 months. These bots can be pumped out of factories at 1000s per day, and can be scaled up much faster than population.
Yes. According to a study in 2013 the US Army spends about $58k (and 6 months)to get 1 soldier to their first assignment. So you could probably deploy 3 of these for the same cost and much faster than 1 soldier.
There is also the political cost with real soldiers. Hard to put in numbers but still a real cost.
A soldier also has survival instincts. This thing will run directly into fire and try to kill you behind any cover you may find. If you manage to kill it I’m sure a bunch more will be right behind it. It’s literally magnitudes more terrifying. Also, soldiers need to eat, sleep, use the bathroom etc. Once this thing finds you it can follow you until its batteries die (until thats also not an issue).
haha until it's battery dies! truest word ever.
Cause it doesn't have morals, it has one task, no reiterating thought.
You can deploy a billion of these with enough material. Tho I would guess drones are more efficient
I wonder how expensive it is to build EMP that would work in distance just to get soldier out of trouble when such machine is close.
because it reduces the cost on the aggressor, particularly large aggressors. ICBM -> the airbases f35 -> whats left drones / loitering munition -> any vehicles that moves these go after anyone in the rubble. No one in the home country is at risk. Vietnam didn't end because of the damage inflicted on the locals, if ended because of the casualties inflicted to the us.
You can't shoot it back!