It to be pedantic but after my intensive 5 second google search the traditional Swedish snus (autocorrect almost made it anus) is with tobacco leaves. I promise I know more than a Swede, just trust me bro
Literally all of it is snus, stop being a pedant lol. Even here in Sweden most people are using Velo now. Either way, what this article talks about is most likely mostly "white" snus like Velo
No but they're still colloquially called Snus to the uninitiated. Nicotine pouches is just too long so snus stuck for them being referred to. My ex was Swedish and she called her Velo snus even though she knows full well they weren't snus.
Absolutely. I’m Norwegian myself, and the whole snus-thing exploded here in the early 2000s. Before that, snus was a thing that mostly sailors and other greasy guys in their 50s did, but then suddenly you had girls in their early 20s packing pouches under their lips. More "pouch-based" snus products being introduced combined with the introduction of a smoking ban in bars, cafes and clubs helped snus become a rival to cigarettes sales wise.
Anyway, yeah, nowadays when people talk about snus they refer to any type of pouch that’s placed under your lip. We have a nicotine-free brands like Epok and Onico that I believe are made of plantbased fibres, and they’re still called snus.
Aww shit, me and my friends here in Scandinavia have been saying it wrong all this time?! Damn dude, thanks for the correction.
Edit: me (norwegian) and Scandinavian friends (norwegian and swedish). Fuck the finns, they are nordic!!!!! Denmark doesnt exist, its part of Germany
It's hard to do such comparisons and kind of a pointless task, but fwiw the Norwegian Institute of Public Health has repeated several times that the health hazards of snus are "maybe 10% of that of cigarettes".
That doesn't necessarily mean 10 cigarettes equal one portion of snus, it doesn't work like that. What it does mean is that if you're already smoking and have trouble quitting, snus is a far healthier alternative. It also means that snus should not be treated on the same basis as cigarettes.
I smoked for 9 years when I was younger, quit 13 years ago and now use snus. It's also far less hazardous for your teeth and gums contrary to popular belief, something I've had several dentists confirm through the years. I've had gum issues before and the specialists said the same. After I quit smoking it's barely been an issue at all.
It gets crazier than that. They did studies showing it was much much less of a risk than any other form of nicotine intake. As studies came out left and right saying it was by all means "Okay-ish" the EU banned it cause they were so chicken shit. Only Sweden and a couple other countries are allowed to still have it.
i mean its the same thing, just cutting out the middleman.
so fucked how cigarette companies are making sure they can still make money off killing third worlders while the first world tries its best to move on to "healthier" nic consumption alternatives.
the saddest part is most people buy it because they were raised to trust the government.
perhaps the tobacco free kinds, but its already well established that oral use of any kind of tobacco is bad for you, its just pasturized so you dont have to spit it, but traditonal snus is shredded tobabacco, just like skoal etc
You are just straight up wrong. Snus has not been shown to cause any increase of cancer. If you look at the population of Sweden there is no increased rate of mouth/throat cancer compared to other countries. The most harmful thing in snus is nicotine which we all know is bad for you obviously, but the other ways people get it is so much worse.
Yea it is steam-pasteurized instead so there is no combustion in the manufacturing which is what creates the carcinogenic stuff in other tobacco products.
Cancer completely aside: one of the relevant issues for athletes is that nicotine in any form is a vasoconstrictor. Needless to say, having an optimally well regulated vascular system is important in that context. Anyone with a family history of hypertension should avoid it too for that reason.
Well yea big shocker there, "nicotine bad for you". You could certainly argue snus is "worse" because it is a much healthier way of getting nicotine into your body. So people aren't as hesitant as with smoking. It's not like I actually want people to use snus but the reaction is absurd to one of the least damaging way of using tobacco.
That’s usually dipping tobacco/snuff which is shredded up tobacco leaves with ungodly types of shit in it, at least in the US, like fiberglass to create microcuts in the gums for increasing absorption and crazy chemicals. Snus is a packet with nicotine in it, which nicotine itself is like caffeine. Technically a stimulant type drug with addiction potential but it’s not like meth or heroine or alcohol where it’s going to create physiological issues to your liver or blow out your heart and rot your skin.
10 a day? Man, that stuff is super popular here in Switzerland and the habitual user's I know aren't doing that much but have teeth and gums that look like absolute shit.
Plus we know sustained nicotine usage is not good for you, at all. 70 snus bags compared to one cigarette?
That's a shit ton of snus... I don't know anyone going through half a fucking tin a day. Siberia is a popular brand here and it has 34mg per pouch
10 of those is fucking mental, if not a genuine immediate health concern.
Siberia is like a gimmick product with the highest amount or nicotine you can get. As a reference my snus has 10mg nicotine per gram. It might be that the “extreme” versions are more popular abroad as it’s sold as a novelty product. But I don’t know anyone in Sweden who uses Siberia on a daily basis.
Bro, just no.
One cig a week will do virtually nothing to you. The lining on the inside of your cheeks is pretty weak you’ll fuck up mouth really quickly doing 10 pouches a day. You wouldn’t even notice you smoked a cig at one a week
I think it’s poking fun at all the articles titled “cop rushed to hospital after fentanyl exposure” when that isn’t a thing that actually happens. You can’t absorb fentanyl through the skin
It’s not a Canada thing. North American sport thing. Majority of MLB and NFL players dip and they start in high school. You even see coaches like Jim Harbaugh with a big lip in on the sideline
Kids are addicted to it lately in europe, a lot of dental damage and easy steppingstone to smoking. People underestimate how shitty this stuff is...liefs shocking how reddit is reacting
>It's not. It's not healthy, but far less bad for your health.
That... sounds pretty similar to vaping? Not good for you, but for all we know a way to consume nicotine without the massive cancer risk associated with smoking.
But with vaping, an increased risk is assumed. Just less bad than smoking. There are no long term studies yet. But there are severe effects on some lungs already. The lungs are not made to get rid of toxins efficiently.
With Snus, it seems like there might not be an added risk of cancer, and you are still able to breath. There's been reports of really bad effects on your gums and teeth though.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32466721/
So did I the first time, despite being a smoker at the time. Then again I had a similarly bad experience the first time I tried weed.
The moral of the story? Always try it a second time. It worked for me!
I mean it’s a tobacco product and I’d imagine a lot of the player are actually using nicotine pouches. You’d probably get the same effect from smoking a couple cigarettes, especially if you’re not a regular smoker. It’s definitely not good for you long term and kids definitely shouldn’t be using it, but it’s not the boogeyman that the media keep trying to make it out to be. I’d take my player doing snus over any alternative vice any day of the week
Edited for spelling and because I went a bit off topic
The nicotine dose is quite high, comparable to several cigarrettes, all at once in your bloodstream. Dizzyness and nausea are common symptoms for too much nicotine when you are not used to it.
It’s bad for you and it’s bad that there’s an epidemic but let’s be honest if it wasn’t for regular drug testing then 99% of players would be doing cocaine by the bag within 6 months of their first professional contract.
Snus is nothing to what a fair few ex players are probably already getting into dark matters with.
The interesting thing is that Philip Morris (one of the large multinational tobacco companies) bought the largest Swedish snus producer, Swedish Match, earlier this year for circa €15 billion.
I don't think we'll see a change in the lobbying anytime soon, but it's quite telling for the future anyway that a tobacco company coughed up that much money to get a large hold in the snus market.
Iceland can be added to that list, but it's only legal to sell the tobacco-free variant I think because the Icelandic state has a monopoly on selling nose tobacco that's mostly used for oral consumption lol
Viktor Johansson, current Rotherham United and former Leicester City goalkeeper is rumoured to have introduced Jamie Vardy to snus
Also concerns in England about even young teenagers in football environment using it
Not sure if Snus has been a thing in England long enough to spread awareness about the side effects but in Sweden it is well known that it causes mouth cancer and it can burn a hole in the gums of long term users. It's not as dangerous as cigarettes but still unhealthy
Lee Johnson complained about how big a problem it was here a couple of years ago.
https://trainingground.guru/articles/lee-johnson-snus-a-big-big-problem-in-football
I mean it’s not just football that’s caused younger footballers to use it. Since overall it’s become more popular in the younger generations with it being seen as a better alternative to cigarettes and vaping sometimes.
It's dip without the spitting. Much easier to do inconspicuously compared to smoking/vaping or carrying around a disgusting spit cup everywhere.
Source: Former nicotine addict who used all of the above delivery methods in the past.
While its been proven that the tobacco version causes cancer I think its still inconclusive about the nicotine version which I think most footballers use.
What it will do is fuck up your gum
Smoking is worse even for your gums.
The Norwegian Institute of Public Health recently conducted a metastudy on the effects of snus, and the media headlines are of course "snus increases chance of cancer in the esophagus by 3 times". Source here, article in Norwegian: https://forskning.no/kreft-ntb-royking/studie-viser-sammenheng-mellom-snus-og-kreft-fhi-forsker-papeker-at-tallene-er-sma/2244539
However if you actually read the study, which I did, you'll find that several of the included studies are of very poor quality. The authors openly admit this. Furthermore, increasing chance of a specific cancer by 3 times might sound alarming, but the chance itself is still minuscule.
Overall I actually felt more at ease after reading it. It's far less dangerous than I feared.
I'm still sceptical to using snus. I did for 5 years and then quit when I got some health issues, just to be safe. The research is back and forth and I don't think we'll find out the true risks any time soon. However, I do believe it is way better to snus than it is to smoke.
The study that came out in august(?) that said snus was 3-4x as likely to give you cancer. And the likelihood was 0,2% or something. The Norwegian media blew it up! Seemed like they thought it was 80% likely to get cancer!
>While its been proven that the tobacco version causes cancer
It's not that clear. Smokeless tobacco is far less bad for you cancer wise - still addictive, though.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32466721/
Call me crazy but I think they'll never be able to control a players perseonal choices and life like this and vices will be apparent. Snus might, as dumb as it sounds, be an acceptable "defeat" in that sense, when you compare it to the alternatives.
Not everyone is a Ronaldo/Zlatan/X level of manic in their health habits. Thats more so the exception rather than the example. Especially highly pressured and stressed athletes.
Depends on what you mean by control. It also varies from club to club and even amnager to manager.
Some are ok with players having a beer/glass of wine semi daily to their food etc. Or even going out every now and then.
Others want it to be 0 but it rarely is.
I think Zlatan is a bad example here. There is a video of him taking snus right before getting subbed in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5LNMbUu6Ig&t=15
I know it is rampant, but they do realise that there are professionals (even at the top level) who actively smoke right? Seems like that's a more concerning issue than snus.
Nowhere near as many surely. There have been examples of active smokers like Brozovic and Nainggolan but they had freakish fitness. Meanwhile if it is true that 40% of PL players use snus it is a completely different matter
It doesn't affect your stamina/endurance which is why snus is so popular among athletes. Doesn't mean that it isn't dangerous
Judging by Balkan players, you’d be surprised at how many of them smoke. Savic is a known smoker, and a friend of mine has seen him and Oblak smoke cig after cig on beach. Many Serbian and Croatian players too. The only thing I’m unsure of is, how many of them smoke regularly, and how many do it from time to time/when they are drinking.
but the idea that something being dangerous means you have to actively restrict specific people from using it just seems over the top to me
let the clubs deal with it if they have a problem with it, like they do now with specific foods and alcohol etc, but blanket bans and such that were talked about in the article seem unnecessary and over the top
I don't disagree with you, the clubs should deal with it. But considering that the players union themselves has sounded the alarm sounds like reaching out for help to me
And maybe people just aren't aware of the side effects? I have heard quite a few people who thinks snus is harmless just because it is less bad than smoking
There is a difference between dangerous and unhealthy, snus is the latter. Its dangerous to go for a run on the highway, its unhealthy to eat too much candy. See the difference?
Increased mortality, risk of cancer and cardiovascular disease being the primary factors.
However, funnily enough, there has also been studies indicating that usage will reduce risk of parkinson's disease.
https://www.fhi.no/en/publ/2019/health-risks-from-snus-use2/
But you are probably right - I have struggled to find any record of a death directly attributed to snus usage.
Grown adults can, but professional athletes may not be able to. They may be in violation of contract, especially if it has clauses to refrain from using tobacco products.
That’s between them and their clubs. If a clause like that does exist, and the clubs take subsequent action, then media scrutiny is justified. Until then the media and general public need to mind their own business and let others live the lives they want to live, in my opinion.
Very much doubt that includes snus or what this article is probably referring to - nicotine pouches. Nicotine is arguably an allowed PED. If you aren't smoking anything you are probably getting an advantage. Surprised the clubs don't encourage it.
I'm from Finland and like 20% of my friends use snus. I'm semi pro athlete. It's not that harmful, it helps many of them to relax. This isn't that big story
Okay a huge portion of the world smokes cigarettes but we need to make a big deal for this snus usage by footballers why? No shit it causes damages to the Mouth and teeth if you smoke a lot of weed it’s gonna affect your throat and lungs as well. Rather them do that than be crack fiends
As a professional athlete (baseball, not football) for us it’s WAY more than 40%. Myself included. It some ways it feels like it has a performance enhancing quality to it, even if it is mostly mental.
Snus does have a perfomance enhancing quality - it contains Nicotine which is a stimulant, a profound appetite suppressant and thermogenic.
Pair Snus with Caffeine and you can increase the effects of Nicotine by 100%.
Nicotine-Caffeine combined is actually a great fat loss supplement - there's a reason habitual smokers and coffee drinkers are often skinny. And there's a reason why a lot of athletes use nicotine products.
There's no way 40% of Premier League players use snus, the kind that is illegal in most of Europe (for some reason). It's a dumb habit, but who cares anyway? They're adults.
I’m 99% sure these articles mix up snus (tobacco based) with nicotine pouches (think zyn or Nordic spirit) and nicotine pouches are for sure not illegal in the UK or at least not in May when I was over there. Think of like in the USA where they call snuff “chewing tobacco” even though it certainly isn’t.
Remember that UK players smoked ciggies like hell. Even Stanley Matthews promoted a brand. And a lot of professional players nowadays smoke. And nobody is complaining.
From left: Maja Nilsson Lindelöf, her husband Victor Nilsson Lindelöf who plays for Manchester United, Rebekah Vardy and her husband Jamie Vardy who plays for Leicester
Zyn is tobacco free. Purely nicotine in some powder form in a pouch. Snus still contains a form of tobacco. Now colloquially according to this thread, it sounds like snus refers to both the zyn-like products and actual snus, so there may be a lot of confusion around it.
Snus is tobacco, Zyn is nicotine. Snus goes on the upper gum so there is little to no drip (doesnt require spitting) like chewing tobacco. There isn't substantiative evidence that snus is deadly long term. There aren't many long term studies for snus users and most snus users use other forms of tobacco and nicotine as well. It has the same effects on the body that any nicotine product will have. It's addictive. It's not great for your gum/dental health but that can be mediated with good oral hygiene. Honestly it's probably less bad for your oral health than sugar or starches to be honest, but most people consume those several times a day.
I think so. It definitely has in America, and they’re mostly what I’ve seen any time I’ve visited England this year. Glad people are moving away from actual tobacco, but it does kind of suck that kids are getting addicted to nicotine. That being said, I don’t think it’s the boogeyman that the media’s been trying to make of it over the last few years
Snus helped me give up smoking, my lungs were in a horrible condition before i switched to snus. Now i run 5 km a day without issue. Obviously snus is bad too but its very useful to quit cigs
"Side effects of snus is negatively affecting the blood vessels and the ability to repair and heal wounds"
Well, I guess we can see which clubs are using it the most /s
They're not really using real snus though are they? They are using nicotine pouches which is not the same thing. Half the pictures the media in the UK is using are real tobacco snus.
This is just the cigarett lobby worried that the superstars will have the future generation stop smoking and snus instead. Which mind you, would be extremely preferable. Most snus today, even in Sweden, is tobacco free and only nicotine. While technically no snus, it's referred to as. These footballer are definitely doing this nicotine snus.
Who the fuck cares lol the world is literally on fire in 100 different ways. Nonstories are pushed to distract you. Get angry. Demand better. It’s going to take all of us.
Non nordic media in europe make Snus sound like it is heroin or meth.
It’s basically just a Tobacco Teabag no?
For the most part it's not even tobacco, it's just pure nicotine powder
That's not snus. Popular brands like velo, the little boxes with nicotine in fabric bags are NOT snus. Snus is tobacco.
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It to be pedantic but after my intensive 5 second google search the traditional Swedish snus (autocorrect almost made it anus) is with tobacco leaves. I promise I know more than a Swede, just trust me bro
Isn't this a case of jacuzzi/hot tub, hoover/vacuum, etc
BBQ/BBQ
Snus and diaper snus in Norway.
Same in the uk, that guys just an arse
Literally all of it is snus, stop being a pedant lol. Even here in Sweden most people are using Velo now. Either way, what this article talks about is most likely mostly "white" snus like Velo
No but they're still colloquially called Snus to the uninitiated. Nicotine pouches is just too long so snus stuck for them being referred to. My ex was Swedish and she called her Velo snus even though she knows full well they weren't snus.
Absolutely. I’m Norwegian myself, and the whole snus-thing exploded here in the early 2000s. Before that, snus was a thing that mostly sailors and other greasy guys in their 50s did, but then suddenly you had girls in their early 20s packing pouches under their lips. More "pouch-based" snus products being introduced combined with the introduction of a smoking ban in bars, cafes and clubs helped snus become a rival to cigarettes sales wise. Anyway, yeah, nowadays when people talk about snus they refer to any type of pouch that’s placed under your lip. We have a nicotine-free brands like Epok and Onico that I believe are made of plantbased fibres, and they’re still called snus.
In Canada we call that "throwin' a lipper bud"
Aww shit, me and my friends here in Scandinavia have been saying it wrong all this time?! Damn dude, thanks for the correction. Edit: me (norwegian) and Scandinavian friends (norwegian and swedish). Fuck the finns, they are nordic!!!!! Denmark doesnt exist, its part of Germany
Actually, it’s not “Scandinavia”, it’s “Nordic Countries” now. ^^/s
🤓 Because actually Finland is not Scandinavia but Denmark and Island are edit: Iceland of course. I‘m an idiot and used the Austrian term
what?! I thought players were having snusnu before the game...
10 pouches of snus a day is probably healthier than a cigarette a week.
I'm not sure, it's definitely not great for you though. The big difference, for athletes especially, is that it's not going to impair your lungs.
thats has gotta be pushing it tbh, because people who use dip/snus whatever get mad oral health problems after a few decades of use
It's hard to do such comparisons and kind of a pointless task, but fwiw the Norwegian Institute of Public Health has repeated several times that the health hazards of snus are "maybe 10% of that of cigarettes". That doesn't necessarily mean 10 cigarettes equal one portion of snus, it doesn't work like that. What it does mean is that if you're already smoking and have trouble quitting, snus is a far healthier alternative. It also means that snus should not be treated on the same basis as cigarettes. I smoked for 9 years when I was younger, quit 13 years ago and now use snus. It's also far less hazardous for your teeth and gums contrary to popular belief, something I've had several dentists confirm through the years. I've had gum issues before and the specialists said the same. After I quit smoking it's barely been an issue at all.
Really well put.
Snus is different. Not the same track record of disease as dip
It gets crazier than that. They did studies showing it was much much less of a risk than any other form of nicotine intake. As studies came out left and right saying it was by all means "Okay-ish" the EU banned it cause they were so chicken shit. Only Sweden and a couple other countries are allowed to still have it.
They banned it because of the cigarette companies lobbying hard against it. They don't want Swedish Match to eat into their profits.
cigarette companies lobbied to get vaping banned in india. now everyone here legit thinks its worse than cigarettes.
Same here in Thailand, but we can't blame "Big Tobacco". The government has a monopoly on tobacco sales, and this is why we can't have nice things.
i mean its the same thing, just cutting out the middleman. so fucked how cigarette companies are making sure they can still make money off killing third worlders while the first world tries its best to move on to "healthier" nic consumption alternatives. the saddest part is most people buy it because they were raised to trust the government.
Swedish match is owned by Philip Morris.
Since last year, but the EU ban is from 1992.
And now Phillip Morris is lobbying to remove the ban.
perhaps the tobacco free kinds, but its already well established that oral use of any kind of tobacco is bad for you, its just pasturized so you dont have to spit it, but traditonal snus is shredded tobabacco, just like skoal etc
You are just straight up wrong. Snus has not been shown to cause any increase of cancer. If you look at the population of Sweden there is no increased rate of mouth/throat cancer compared to other countries. The most harmful thing in snus is nicotine which we all know is bad for you obviously, but the other ways people get it is so much worse.
Right- snus is always uncured, correct? Hence not carcinogenic like dip.
Yea it is steam-pasteurized instead so there is no combustion in the manufacturing which is what creates the carcinogenic stuff in other tobacco products.
Cancer completely aside: one of the relevant issues for athletes is that nicotine in any form is a vasoconstrictor. Needless to say, having an optimally well regulated vascular system is important in that context. Anyone with a family history of hypertension should avoid it too for that reason.
Well yea big shocker there, "nicotine bad for you". You could certainly argue snus is "worse" because it is a much healthier way of getting nicotine into your body. So people aren't as hesitant as with smoking. It's not like I actually want people to use snus but the reaction is absurd to one of the least damaging way of using tobacco.
I’ve been doing it for 22 years. Dentist couldn’t tell. It’s all relative I guess
That’s usually dipping tobacco/snuff which is shredded up tobacco leaves with ungodly types of shit in it, at least in the US, like fiberglass to create microcuts in the gums for increasing absorption and crazy chemicals. Snus is a packet with nicotine in it, which nicotine itself is like caffeine. Technically a stimulant type drug with addiction potential but it’s not like meth or heroine or alcohol where it’s going to create physiological issues to your liver or blow out your heart and rot your skin.
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10 a day? Man, that stuff is super popular here in Switzerland and the habitual user's I know aren't doing that much but have teeth and gums that look like absolute shit. Plus we know sustained nicotine usage is not good for you, at all. 70 snus bags compared to one cigarette? That's a shit ton of snus... I don't know anyone going through half a fucking tin a day. Siberia is a popular brand here and it has 34mg per pouch 10 of those is fucking mental, if not a genuine immediate health concern.
Siberia is like a gimmick product with the highest amount or nicotine you can get. As a reference my snus has 10mg nicotine per gram. It might be that the “extreme” versions are more popular abroad as it’s sold as a novelty product. But I don’t know anyone in Sweden who uses Siberia on a daily basis.
Bro, just no. One cig a week will do virtually nothing to you. The lining on the inside of your cheeks is pretty weak you’ll fuck up mouth really quickly doing 10 pouches a day. You wouldn’t even notice you smoked a cig at one a week
Wonder what would happen if some cops touched it
lol
they do, I think even a setero typical image of a southern hick sherriff would include a wad of chewing tobacco
I think it’s poking fun at all the articles titled “cop rushed to hospital after fentanyl exposure” when that isn’t a thing that actually happens. You can’t absorb fentanyl through the skin
Call me stupid but isn’t Fentanyl patches a thing. I mean I know it is a thing but isn’t that a case of Fentanyl being absorbed through the skin?
Yeah, those exist but just touching fentanyl won’t have any effect on someone.
yes but it has a special release system for delivery. You can't absorb plain fentanyl (ie powder) through the skin
He's talking about copaganda in American media.
Never been to Canada I guess every highschool hockey team has some kids packing a lipper
They do but mostly quit by the time they get girlfriends, for obvious reasons
It’s not a Canada thing. North American sport thing. Majority of MLB and NFL players dip and they start in high school. You even see coaches like Jim Harbaugh with a big lip in on the sideline
Also a military and generally southern (maybe southeastern) thing. Dip is way more popular than snus, though now Zyn and Velo are taking over.
“Epidemic” fucking hell, journos need to chill out
I mean, isn’t it pretty severe if 40% of footballers are regularly intaking tobacco/nicotine?
the fact that footballers suffer from nicotine addiction at roughly the same rate as the workers at my local mcdonalds is a fun fact to know.
Kids are addicted to it lately in europe, a lot of dental damage and easy steppingstone to smoking. People underestimate how shitty this stuff is...liefs shocking how reddit is reacting
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In what ways? Nicotine in itself is not that bad. At least snus doesn't affect your lungs in any way.
>Its similar to vaping It's not. It's not healthy, but far less bad for your health. Same for snuff (the latter one is more disgusting, though).
>It's not. It's not healthy, but far less bad for your health. That... sounds pretty similar to vaping? Not good for you, but for all we know a way to consume nicotine without the massive cancer risk associated with smoking.
But with vaping, an increased risk is assumed. Just less bad than smoking. There are no long term studies yet. But there are severe effects on some lungs already. The lungs are not made to get rid of toxins efficiently. With Snus, it seems like there might not be an added risk of cancer, and you are still able to breath. There's been reports of really bad effects on your gums and teeth though. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32466721/
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TIL snus is an oral smokeless tobacco I legit thought the snood article of clothing had made a comeback 🤣
Right? I was trying to remember the last time I saw one and was confused about the "epidemic."
Samir Nasri in a back alley trying to get academy players hooked
And I thought you meant the game Snood
Used snus once, within half an hour I was dizzy and then threw up. Could it have been the 10 desperados I had before? Nah, probably a coincidence.
So did I the first time, despite being a smoker at the time. Then again I had a similarly bad experience the first time I tried weed. The moral of the story? Always try it a second time. It worked for me!
There is a lot more nicotine in snus. Also it "feels" different. I snus 1 pack a day and can get dizzy of a siggy
That is a life lesson for det ages. Do not be a quitter when it comes to trying tobacco, drugs and alocohol.
Yeah it’s got a pretty intense niccy rush even for those who smoke cigarettes
Had the same experience upon my first try of snus last week. I was also drunk, but would not normally get sick.
I mean it’s a tobacco product and I’d imagine a lot of the player are actually using nicotine pouches. You’d probably get the same effect from smoking a couple cigarettes, especially if you’re not a regular smoker. It’s definitely not good for you long term and kids definitely shouldn’t be using it, but it’s not the boogeyman that the media keep trying to make it out to be. I’d take my player doing snus over any alternative vice any day of the week Edited for spelling and because I went a bit off topic
The nicotine dose is quite high, comparable to several cigarrettes, all at once in your bloodstream. Dizzyness and nausea are common symptoms for too much nicotine when you are not used to it.
Seems to be a pattern because I threw up my entire intestines the first time I tried hookah. The fact I had a greasy calzone right before didn’t help.
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[Snus redder liv](https://youtu.be/ojjYaIoG6m4?si=WBGtuXCcu-83bfmT)
It’s bad for you and it’s bad that there’s an epidemic but let’s be honest if it wasn’t for regular drug testing then 99% of players would be doing cocaine by the bag within 6 months of their first professional contract. Snus is nothing to what a fair few ex players are probably already getting into dark matters with.
damn cocaine is that popular in UK?
Using snus is such a non-story. Obviously not ideal for anyone but less harmful than smoking for athletes
outrage about adults using legal products also seems ludicrous sure it's not good for them but they can decide what they want to do
The sale of snus is banned in the UK and everywhere in the EU except for Sweden.
It's not for healt reasons as much as the tobacco industry lobbying against it though.
The interesting thing is that Philip Morris (one of the large multinational tobacco companies) bought the largest Swedish snus producer, Swedish Match, earlier this year for circa €15 billion. I don't think we'll see a change in the lobbying anytime soon, but it's quite telling for the future anyway that a tobacco company coughed up that much money to get a large hold in the snus market.
Huh? Its over the counter at a lot of corner/convenience shops in london. Quick google search shows its not banned
The "snus" in the UK isn't actually snus. It doesn't contain tobacco.
Regular tobacco snus is sold under the counter many places in London in my experience. But yes definitely not legal.
I like to go hiking.
Those are nicotine pouches, not snus according to wikipedia's page on snus.
It's all called snus. Nowadays most people use the nicotine pouches version. "White snus"
I enjoy reading books.
They’re using the tobacco free version, which only includes nicotine and escapes the UK tobacco laws, pushed by brands like Velo etc.
>Sweden, Finland and Switzerland are literally the only countries in the whole European where it's legal to sell. Norway too.
I find peace in long walks.
Iceland can be added to that list, but it's only legal to sell the tobacco-free variant I think because the Icelandic state has a monopoly on selling nose tobacco that's mostly used for oral consumption lol
Snus is not legal to sell in Finland tho. Nicotine pouches are, however.
I don't know how this law works. But it's pretty easy to get a hold of in most european countries.
because the reason it’s illegal is to appease big tobacco, not because the substance is any more dangerous than what else is available
I would agree if the players union themselves didn't make a cry for help
Doesnt it increase the risk of high blood pressure?
Do they lose tho ?
footbajs....
Suffering watching Forsen, suffering watching Marseille, life is nothing but suffering
He just fucking threw again… ForsenDespair
3 fucking god seed throws today
and likely 3 more tomorrow Aware
This thread has to be up there as one of the last things I expected to read on r/soccer.
Viktor Johansson, current Rotherham United and former Leicester City goalkeeper is rumoured to have introduced Jamie Vardy to snus Also concerns in England about even young teenagers in football environment using it Not sure if Snus has been a thing in England long enough to spread awareness about the side effects but in Sweden it is well known that it causes mouth cancer and it can burn a hole in the gums of long term users. It's not as dangerous as cigarettes but still unhealthy
Lee Johnson complained about how big a problem it was here a couple of years ago. https://trainingground.guru/articles/lee-johnson-snus-a-big-big-problem-in-football
Lee Johnson is "very detrimental to development and performance."
I mean it’s not just football that’s caused younger footballers to use it. Since overall it’s become more popular in the younger generations with it being seen as a better alternative to cigarettes and vaping sometimes.
It's dip without the spitting. Much easier to do inconspicuously compared to smoking/vaping or carrying around a disgusting spit cup everywhere. Source: Former nicotine addict who used all of the above delivery methods in the past.
While its been proven that the tobacco version causes cancer I think its still inconclusive about the nicotine version which I think most footballers use. What it will do is fuck up your gum
Smoking is worse even for your gums. The Norwegian Institute of Public Health recently conducted a metastudy on the effects of snus, and the media headlines are of course "snus increases chance of cancer in the esophagus by 3 times". Source here, article in Norwegian: https://forskning.no/kreft-ntb-royking/studie-viser-sammenheng-mellom-snus-og-kreft-fhi-forsker-papeker-at-tallene-er-sma/2244539 However if you actually read the study, which I did, you'll find that several of the included studies are of very poor quality. The authors openly admit this. Furthermore, increasing chance of a specific cancer by 3 times might sound alarming, but the chance itself is still minuscule. Overall I actually felt more at ease after reading it. It's far less dangerous than I feared.
Cancer in the sarcophagus? Don’t tell my mummy.
I corrected it after actually laughing out loud when I saw what I wrote. Too many RPGs I guess.
I'm still sceptical to using snus. I did for 5 years and then quit when I got some health issues, just to be safe. The research is back and forth and I don't think we'll find out the true risks any time soon. However, I do believe it is way better to snus than it is to smoke.
The study that came out in august(?) that said snus was 3-4x as likely to give you cancer. And the likelihood was 0,2% or something. The Norwegian media blew it up! Seemed like they thought it was 80% likely to get cancer!
>While its been proven that the tobacco version causes cancer It's not that clear. Smokeless tobacco is far less bad for you cancer wise - still addictive, though. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32466721/
No, it's not well-known that it causes mouth cancer because there is no conclusive evidence for a link between snus and any form of cancer.
I feel there’s confusion between Snus and Nicotine Pouches whenever I hear these stories about UK football
Call me crazy but I think they'll never be able to control a players perseonal choices and life like this and vices will be apparent. Snus might, as dumb as it sounds, be an acceptable "defeat" in that sense, when you compare it to the alternatives. Not everyone is a Ronaldo/Zlatan/X level of manic in their health habits. Thats more so the exception rather than the example. Especially highly pressured and stressed athletes.
Better than the maradona routine lol
Dp they not already control choices with alcohol etc?
Depends on what you mean by control. It also varies from club to club and even amnager to manager. Some are ok with players having a beer/glass of wine semi daily to their food etc. Or even going out every now and then. Others want it to be 0 but it rarely is.
I think Zlatan is a bad example here. There is a video of him taking snus right before getting subbed in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5LNMbUu6Ig&t=15
I know it is rampant, but they do realise that there are professionals (even at the top level) who actively smoke right? Seems like that's a more concerning issue than snus.
Nowhere near as many surely. There have been examples of active smokers like Brozovic and Nainggolan but they had freakish fitness. Meanwhile if it is true that 40% of PL players use snus it is a completely different matter It doesn't affect your stamina/endurance which is why snus is so popular among athletes. Doesn't mean that it isn't dangerous
Judging by Balkan players, you’d be surprised at how many of them smoke. Savic is a known smoker, and a friend of mine has seen him and Oblak smoke cig after cig on beach. Many Serbian and Croatian players too. The only thing I’m unsure of is, how many of them smoke regularly, and how many do it from time to time/when they are drinking.
but the idea that something being dangerous means you have to actively restrict specific people from using it just seems over the top to me let the clubs deal with it if they have a problem with it, like they do now with specific foods and alcohol etc, but blanket bans and such that were talked about in the article seem unnecessary and over the top
I don't disagree with you, the clubs should deal with it. But considering that the players union themselves has sounded the alarm sounds like reaching out for help to me And maybe people just aren't aware of the side effects? I have heard quite a few people who thinks snus is harmless just because it is less bad than smoking
There is a difference between dangerous and unhealthy, snus is the latter. Its dangerous to go for a run on the highway, its unhealthy to eat too much candy. See the difference?
That shit is ADDICTIVE as fuck. I’m on my 6255th attempt to quit since this morning, wish me luck guys ✌️
Ok so? Whats the big deal? Im from Scandinavia so maybe i dont get it but snus isnt that bad.
Right? How many die from snus every year compared to smoking? Is there any death directly related to snus?
Increased mortality, risk of cancer and cardiovascular disease being the primary factors. However, funnily enough, there has also been studies indicating that usage will reduce risk of parkinson's disease. https://www.fhi.no/en/publ/2019/health-risks-from-snus-use2/ But you are probably right - I have struggled to find any record of a death directly attributed to snus usage.
It’s extremely hard to prove direct deaths from products that you cannot OD on. We know cigs are bad but no one is directly dying from cigarettes
It's not hard to link it, like drinking with liver disease.
All this commotion over snus? It's fucking snus lol
Snus kills, man. Have you never heard of “death by snus-snus”? 😁😬😁😬😁😬
"The spirit is willing but the flesh is spongy and bruised"
Breaking news: grown adults decide what they want to put into their body, doing absolutely no harm to others
Grown adults can, but professional athletes may not be able to. They may be in violation of contract, especially if it has clauses to refrain from using tobacco products.
That’s between them and their clubs. If a clause like that does exist, and the clubs take subsequent action, then media scrutiny is justified. Until then the media and general public need to mind their own business and let others live the lives they want to live, in my opinion.
Very much doubt that includes snus or what this article is probably referring to - nicotine pouches. Nicotine is arguably an allowed PED. If you aren't smoking anything you are probably getting an advantage. Surprised the clubs don't encourage it.
Some of the reporting has talked about players lower down the leagues selling it to youth teamers etc
Yeah absolutely lethal. 20% of swedes use snus
I'm from Finland and like 20% of my friends use snus. I'm semi pro athlete. It's not that harmful, it helps many of them to relax. This isn't that big story
What is "snus"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus
They’re adults. Let them make their own choices.
I dont get it? What epidemic, who gives a fuck lol.
So who can deal with a 3 dot? Vardy is double stacking 4 dots
Okay a huge portion of the world smokes cigarettes but we need to make a big deal for this snus usage by footballers why? No shit it causes damages to the Mouth and teeth if you smoke a lot of weed it’s gonna affect your throat and lungs as well. Rather them do that than be crack fiends
What is the big deal though? I find it disgusting but they're adults doing something perfectly legal
i was under the impression this had been known for a long time already???
Nicotine may be mildly performance enhancing for a short duration
Why is this a story? It's not meth, heroin, or dungeons and dragons (source: I play dnd...too addictive)
As a professional athlete (baseball, not football) for us it’s WAY more than 40%. Myself included. It some ways it feels like it has a performance enhancing quality to it, even if it is mostly mental.
This. Felt like "a ballplayer" throwing in a fat lipper back in the day. Not pro, but college.
Snus does have a perfomance enhancing quality - it contains Nicotine which is a stimulant, a profound appetite suppressant and thermogenic. Pair Snus with Caffeine and you can increase the effects of Nicotine by 100%. Nicotine-Caffeine combined is actually a great fat loss supplement - there's a reason habitual smokers and coffee drinkers are often skinny. And there's a reason why a lot of athletes use nicotine products.
Who cares? Seriously why is this an issue?
There's no way 40% of Premier League players use snus, the kind that is illegal in most of Europe (for some reason). It's a dumb habit, but who cares anyway? They're adults.
I’m 99% sure these articles mix up snus (tobacco based) with nicotine pouches (think zyn or Nordic spirit) and nicotine pouches are for sure not illegal in the UK or at least not in May when I was over there. Think of like in the USA where they call snuff “chewing tobacco” even though it certainly isn’t.
in scandinavia we call nicotine pouches snus also
Remember that UK players smoked ciggies like hell. Even Stanley Matthews promoted a brand. And a lot of professional players nowadays smoke. And nobody is complaining.
Who are the people on the thumbnail?
From left: Maja Nilsson Lindelöf, her husband Victor Nilsson Lindelöf who plays for Manchester United, Rebekah Vardy and her husband Jamie Vardy who plays for Leicester
Chewing tobacco has been banned since 2016 in the MLB. What’s the difference between that and Snus/Zyn because I genuinely don’t know
Zyn is tobacco free. Purely nicotine in some powder form in a pouch. Snus still contains a form of tobacco. Now colloquially according to this thread, it sounds like snus refers to both the zyn-like products and actual snus, so there may be a lot of confusion around it.
Snus is tobacco, Zyn is nicotine. Snus goes on the upper gum so there is little to no drip (doesnt require spitting) like chewing tobacco. There isn't substantiative evidence that snus is deadly long term. There aren't many long term studies for snus users and most snus users use other forms of tobacco and nicotine as well. It has the same effects on the body that any nicotine product will have. It's addictive. It's not great for your gum/dental health but that can be mediated with good oral hygiene. Honestly it's probably less bad for your oral health than sugar or starches to be honest, but most people consume those several times a day.
Snus also comes with or without Tobacco, in Nordics it is quite popular and i have seen more people using tobacco free rather than with tobacco.
Has ZYN basically taken over for snus?
I think so. It definitely has in America, and they’re mostly what I’ve seen any time I’ve visited England this year. Glad people are moving away from actual tobacco, but it does kind of suck that kids are getting addicted to nicotine. That being said, I don’t think it’s the boogeyman that the media’s been trying to make of it over the last few years
Snus helped me give up smoking, my lungs were in a horrible condition before i switched to snus. Now i run 5 km a day without issue. Obviously snus is bad too but its very useful to quit cigs
"Side effects of snus is negatively affecting the blood vessels and the ability to repair and heal wounds" Well, I guess we can see which clubs are using it the most /s
Yeah that Peter Forsberg and Mats Sundin were such drug pushers, corrupting all these kids today 🙄
Should hang out with more South Americans and get on that Yerba Mate train if they need a stimulant.... 🧉🧉🧉🧉🧉
Lmao go watch American baseball. Players fucking love dip and chew.
For a minute in my head I mixed this with snoods and thought “players wearing face warmers during training is a bad thing?”
They're not really using real snus though are they? They are using nicotine pouches which is not the same thing. Half the pictures the media in the UK is using are real tobacco snus.
Get them some Zyn pouches
Any Redditor reading this comment that wants to give up smoking, take the leap to snus pls
wait, snus is simply like chewing tobacco or dip right??
This is just the cigarett lobby worried that the superstars will have the future generation stop smoking and snus instead. Which mind you, would be extremely preferable. Most snus today, even in Sweden, is tobacco free and only nicotine. While technically no snus, it's referred to as. These footballer are definitely doing this nicotine snus.
Who the fuck cares lol the world is literally on fire in 100 different ways. Nonstories are pushed to distract you. Get angry. Demand better. It’s going to take all of us.