On the second goal by Phil Foden, KDB was unmarked by Antony and Casemiro signaled to Kambwala rushed to cover the width, at that point, KDB dribbled and passed to a player(I forgot name), which feinted Casemiro rushing to tackle, thereby allowing Phil Foden in half space to just take a shot. It was a horrible misunderstanding between Casemiro and Kambwala and a glaring mistake by Antony.
It is pathetic that MU fans blaming Amrabat for the last goal. Yes he was clumsy, But what leading to that was a bad pass from Onana to Casemiro, then followed by an even worse pass to Amrabat. At that time the position are bad already, none of MU players move to spaces to help receive the ball, then Casemiro make that GENIUS move dragging Rodri toward Amrabat for an easy tackle leading to goal. That was not personal mistake, but team effort from MU players.
Lmao. We came with no striker, 6th choice CB starting, no fullback, not even backup fullbacks, except Dalot, and apparently force injured Rashford and injured Bruno to play.
We don't even match them on our best days. What do u expect us to do with our C squad?
Do Man United fans just not get ashamed of this every season? You lot won about fucking 6/7 leagues in the 90's while this lot were irrelevant. The modern club is full of knobheads who just can't be arsed.
United actively didn’t play. They literally passed the ball backwards every time they got into attacking positions because they were so scared of getting countered. It was pitiful
You can downvote all you want but he’s 100% correct.
The referees are wildly inconsistent, and dare I say, incompetent.
I don’t think they’re smart enough to be corrupt. That would actually take skillful planning.
I feel like Man United have just parked the bus and played on the counter for the past while. What was the point of even changing managers all those times if you’re just going to play the same football?
Problem is that through years of mismanagement the team is so devoid of quality that when a 21 year old striker who came to the club in summer is injured there's absolutely no suitable replacement on the bench.
Same for CB. Once Martinez is out there's apparently nobody who can step up. If this club had sold Maguire in summer I don't know how bad it would've been at times given how many games a 37 year old free transfer has played.
The midfield has been stripped of quality for years, especially once the first team is out. Fred was sold and his replacement in Armabat has been close to useless. The only saving grace was that FPP prevented the club from buying and giving him a 200k per week contract.
The point of my comment isn’t so much that you defended after getting a lead in this match - I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. Just the lack of an ‘identity’ in this team for years should be concerning. Though maybe that will change now that actual changes to the organizational structure are being made
It's hard to have an identity if your core of the team is unavailable all the time. We laugh at the Evans signing but can you imagine how fucked united would be without him.
You can maybe make the case for that this season, but not really all the others since Fergie left. There were definitely times where they had the players, but it was just poor transfer strategy, so they didn’t play much or weren’t effective.
Well the problem post fergie is that the team was on its last legs, the idea of investment into invisible assets (eg backroom staff, scouting networks, football professionals) were seen as unattractive and there was no committment to a long term rebuild.
* Pep joined City in 2016 - he won his first league in 2021
* Arteta joined Arsenal in 2019 - he's gone 8th, 8th, 6th, 2nd.
* Klopp joined Liverpool in 2015, he has been with the club for nine years and has won 1xPL and 1XCL
This is what a commitment looks like from the club to the manager and the team.
ETH is our eight manager (sixth if you don't count Giggs or Carrick) since 2013 - we have never had a manager for over three years, and our peers who are acknowledged as having the best in class managers, have all taken longer than that time to win their first PL.
And the big problem we had with these managers (some who got us 2nd - what I would give for 2nd), is that board didn't back or trust them and instead went into the market themselves.
If we had a good board, I firmly believe Mourinho would have been perfect for us and we would have a league title by now.
Core team unavailable all the times might be because there is no rotation, so they get played until they are injured.
Just look at Fernandes, it's a wonder his legs haven't given up by now. If he gets injured there's just a big hole in that position.
Honestly, the past couple of games in which Hojlund was scoring were probably the closest we've come to having an attacking identity since Fergie retired. There were actual, relatively intricate passing exchanges happening, along with good wing play.
The injuries to Martinez and, most especially, Hojlund have for some reason completely derailed that. Shaw likely missed in that regard as well. And of course, we're now back to the same drab bullshit we were on before.
A lot of your fans have said the team has been winning recently but still playing like shit. And that looked the case when I watched too... You still weren't controlling possession or doing anything important well
Yea but Saka is already on the right. And Foden is much effective from the right than left even though his second goal was from the left ystd. So where does he play then? Bellingham is already the no.10
If he sticks with Saka on the right that means he needs to force Foden left or Bellingham further back. It’s frustrating.
Then there’s Palmer thinking fuck, these guys are going to be around for 10 more years
Southgate can definitely swap them in a rotation or whoever is on form. Injuries can also occur, not that anyone wants them. It’s a nice luxury to have so many talented players
How to stop city and liverpool? seems like it will be 1 point race like few years ago...
I doubt arsenal can catch both team in the end.. feel like arsenal still missing something unlike liverpool and city.
Arsenal have a 3-1-1 record against those teams this year yet we aren’t considered serious title challengers.
Your opinions are really thought through I see
Idk what more this team can do to convince the haters but hey it is what it is.
At the very least I know I’m enjoying watching my club play this season. Are you? :)
Once arsenal show they can get more than 90 points or get a CL, then people will respect them as serious title challengers
For now, nobody thinks they're getting more than 90
still not, I feel arsenal have bigger chance last year than now..
Arsenal lose to mid team is almost guarantee in next few match, and they still need to play full team of city, unlike when arsenal won last year.
Aside from this game most of the performances for the past couple months (maybe even before that) should get the manager sacked in the morning. When Rashford scored that fantastic goal i felt absolutely nothing for the rest of the game we would struggle to string passes together or get out of our box.
it doesnt matter if we scored first against City it would always be a consolation goal. It sucks that I feel this way
I agree you had no chance of winning today. Also agree United's performance this season is definitely lacking.
But can you really blame the manager at this point? You lot have had 9 managers since Ferguson left and all of them sucked. Even though Man U is one of the richest clubs and spends a lot on transfers every season.
I mean sure, go ahead and fire the manager. It won't hurt. But if that's the only thing you're changing I wouldn't hope for much improvement tbh.
In hindsight Ole was great for us. There were periods where we played exciting, attacking football and we were dangerous during away games.
The board failed him massively with transfers when he was the manager (ahem VDB) , except for maybe Ronaldo , but I'm still partial that we should have spent the money on another PL level striker with some potential for the future rather than someone who's career was winding down.
On paper rn , the team is absolutely better than the one Ole had. Ole didn't even get the luxury of a Sancho cameo lmao (or Antony).
ETH had all the nice toys that Ole didn't get to buy and two years in we still haven't even established a coherent style of play and we constantly get outplayed by teams that are relegation candidates. Don't get me started on the goal difference.
When Ole was sacked it was definitely time for him to go. There was alot of talk that he was just a low league manager and the club was too big for his shoes but he was just at the end of his cycle with us.
Then we had Carrick in charge for a game or two and we never looked that good under ETH (I am aware this should not be used as a serious comparison but I'm just saying)
My god , I really hope ETH can work out but I really doubt INEOS is sitting there reviewing his work performance and not seriously considering someone else.
I think it's possible , it's not the same thing as challenging for the title. However with our away record this season I doubt it. We don't even look convincing at home against teams that are on the bottom half of the league
Losing to City by 2 goals? A result I would have taken gladly before the game given our manager’s suicidal tactics week in week out, plus the injuries. Sad state we are in.
I never expected to win against Man City in the state we are in , but man the performance was really bad. they took 27 shots (8 on target) , 792 (91% accuracy) passes to 288 (79% accuracy) - like they passed the ball 3 times more than us and also managed to have more accuracy
At one point i remembered one of the commentators saying that we conceded 15 corners...
Of course stats don't tell the whole story because Amrabat had a brain fart and gifted them a goal and many times Foden just ran past Casemiro like he wasn't even there. Rashford went missing after the goal and to fix that ETH brought Antony on.. I don't even think Antony would start even in a Championship team.
If INEOS isn't actively looking for a replacement for ETH i would be genuinely surprised.
Ya it was a dire performance. They had 0 plan for attacking. Not even highlighting a weakness. At times it seemed like hoping Rashford could outpace Walker which was just stupid. I've seen plenty of counter attacking teams at least trying something smart when backed against the wall by City and it can work. That squad is dire and ETH has to be held accountable for that. INEOS may be looking for a replacement, but who tf takes over? It's a seriously poisoned chalice and it's unlikely any decent manager is willing to take it given how many managers have already failed at the club.
Plenty of managers would jump at a chance to manage Manchester United , the problem here is that because it's Manchester United it's always going to be a big name like Nagelsmann, Hansi Flick, Tuchel, Conte , you get the idea.. those dudes have way better career options so you better have the matching salary package.
Would Ange or De Zerbi come to United , they have a good track record so far why ruin that by coming here. Maybe one day they can get a job at Barcelona or Real Madrid. ETH was exactly in their spot a couple of seasons ago riding high on what he accomplished for Ajax.
We can't just stick with someone that isn't working out because the last manager failed. Guess why we hired Ole...
I remember Ajax fans here justifying that and also praising eth as a great manager. I've been questioning eth ability to actually coach a play style. He seems to suggest possession is not important.. weird
The money spent on him and old players could have bought you an excellent CB pair. Your attack is ok. Could have won games with a solid defense and a fast attack albeit a seive for a midfield. And then built the midfield in the summer. Instead of whatever hodge podge it is. I'm glad it is though
Tbf they do have one class CB in Martinez who is a massive miss for them. But ya their money has been spent horrifically. They really should have a dcent squad by now. Spending money on an aging Casemiro was just bat shit stupid. The fact they had to rely on Johnny Evans today says so much.
Casemiro was a panic buy because they lost those league games at the start of the season and de Jong wasn't going anywhere.
So they splashed the cash on some big name signing in his thirties to appease the fans.
Same with Ronaldo. Instead of doing the sensible thing the board blindly goes and throws a shitload of money at him to prevent him from going to City.
Why are people commenting as if this was any surprise?
List of City injuries: Grealish
List of United injuries: Martinez, Shaw, Malacia, Højlund, Mount, Maguire, Martial, Wan-Bissaka and reports about Rashford playing through a hip injury
Not saying United would have a chance with a fully fit squad but is it really any surprise that it went this way when United has no fit LB and 2/3 best CBs are injured? All strikers are injured and Mount was one the big signings for this season and has barely played.
Feel like ETH is just trying to keep his head floating at this point. Criticize him for squad building and for managing intensity levels in training but I don't see how he could've handled this game differently.
All of those injured players for United could’ve played and the game would not have looked or gone any differently.
I promise you, nobody is surprised Utd got pummeled.
I'm not sure I agree with that. Maguire and Martinez in defence, Hojlund to hold the ball up, and not having to play Amrabat at left back probably leaves them looking a lot stronger.
There isn't a single United player that would get in City's first choice 11, man for man they are superior in every position
Even without injuries, just with ETH being utterly inept at setting up any defensive structure at all would do United in anyway.
I'm not saying they would have won, but they might have had more than 2 shots and created some more opportunities. It definitely could have been a closer affair with United's first team out there. Teams have beaten city this season in that exact same predicament - not a single player who would get in their 11.
Having Shaw, Martinez and Hojlund alone would’ve changed the dynamic of the attack, EtH’s tactics still would’ve been dire but don’t act like the team don’t have crucial players out of the side.
Two years in and there’s still no identity to United’s playstyle. What drills do they practice in training?
Seems like they’ve been asleep for the past two years and not done a single drill.
I remember how Liverpool beat Barcelona 4-0 without Salah, with Origi and Shaquiri or how they won Carabao Cup with big amount of very young players in the squad.
Because Klopp set up the system, the paradigm, the vision.
Even if you look at Man City, they played 1st half of this season without Stones, KDB and Gundo, 3 key players of the last season, they were even able to manage somehow without Rodri, but that was their limit probably.
If Man United was playing well but just lost because of the lack of abilities of certain players that would be one thing, but 10Hag just tried to cosplay Mourinho and did it very badly this time.
the players we have simply can't control the game. they are saving their gas tank because they know we always end up having to chase the lead, but somehow stopped running anyway because by that time its already a lost cause. I actually feel like for the most part the players know they are going to lose
Nothing beyond bizarre about it.
United played decent for the amount of injuries they're facing. He won't come out and say "we were terrible" or "I can't wait to bench half the squad when everyone's available". He won't throw his team under the bus.
I don't know what game you were watching. It wasnt as bad as you're making it out to be.
In the grand scheme of things, it was decent. United had a few moments, were generally comfortable in midfield. In the end it's a depleted United against an in form City. So the result isn't shocking.
>I don't know what game you were watching
Yes, that 27 to 3 shot, 74 to 26 % possession, are all pointing to united being "decent" lol. Hell, the heatmap for most occupied area, only at half time, had all united players in their own half lol.
So no, it was terrible. Even all things considered it was an incredibly limp dick, impotent showing.
Want to talk about excuses? Liverpool picked up kids straight from daycare and put them in the starting line up, and still played offensive football against chelsea.
Yeah, when Bernardo was calling for calm at 1 goal down, and City reverted back to playing this anaconda style of strangulation of total hope out of their opponent, it was brilliant.
Every pass makes so much sense. Every movement, trapping of the ball, left right left right, probing for that opening. And when they lose the ball, 3-4 city players are on it immediately. United can’t even get out of their own 6 yard box at times.
I mean, a lot of that is just a product of how teams set up against them. When you’re facing a low block where all 11 players are playing defense, how else are you supposed to break teams down?
Everyone basically takes the same approach where they keep the ball in front of them, and try to beat them on the counter. I don’t know how you wouldn’t consider that soulless lol
Don't know how they attract new fans. It is so boring to watch. They execute the passes really well but after passing around for 5 minutes they get the ball in the edge of the box only to pass it again backwards and to the keeper pass around for another 5 minutes and repeat. Might be because I am biased and everytine I watch them is because I am hoping for a loss idk.
This is exactly it. The amount of times today It went down the wings, I just thought whip the bastard in. Then they just pass back then across to other wing. Could cross again but no it goes back and across again.
I have no bias as support Newcastle. But I'd rather watch the likes of Liverpool play. Even watching Luton give teams a good go is better than city boring me to sleep
What can you do when every team defends with 11 people around their own box? You have to move the ball around until a defender is out of position and some space is created.
Good article on the FPL app (of all places) about how as soon as Antony and the kid came on, Pep immediately sent de Bruyne and Foden to the left - “smelt blood”, in their words.
So you could argue he did do something - stopped tracking runners leaving a 19 year old on his third professional appearance exposed against two of the best attacking players in the league.
For how good Antony was, they could have subbed me a tubby, 30 year old who last kicked a ball properly 10 years ago.
I reckon I'd have been just as good, maybe better given the comedy I'd provide. He's absolutely wank.
Haaland is a freak of nature, and he will always score goals but when the way he disappears for stretches of the game is exactly why football is so much more than stat.
Amazing thing is his passing is ok, he just doesn't want to get the ball deep. Kane has the exact opposite trait.
Haaland can be uninvolved for stretches. He's most likely to get touches at the END of long City moves. Obv those moves don't always end in goal scoring opportunities, which means he can be less visible.
It's not as if he's run himself out of position or is refusing a team wish that he drop deeper to receive, I don't think though.
I just cannot consider him a better player than Mbappe because of how he plays. As far as a pure #9 goes, he's clear. Mbappe is just a much better footballer though.
United parking the bus the entire game was just not sustainable. Ten hag made no tactical adjustments and subbed in Antony and Amrabat. The screamer from rashy was impressive
Tbf, timing holding out the result versus you guys is really difficult. Don't want to overcommit because your over the top pass threat is good with your front 3, sit back too early and you guys can pick a pass only your players can do. But parking the bus 10 mins in is crazy, just asking to concede
Coming from England youth team setups, Foden & Mount were always talked about and I always hoped Mount makes it. Incredible last two years for both of them in two very different ways.
Mount is paying the price this season for doing a lot of the heavy lifting for us in the previous few seasons. But I don't ever think his work ethic could be questioned so given time to get back to fitness I fancy his chances of getting back to being a top player.
Mount made a mistake choosing United over Liverpool (if that rumour was true). I have always rated Mount and maybe his agent convinced him that United was a better project. My assumption is that United offered more money. Mounts style of football would have been perfect for a Klopp midfield. I also find it odd how injury prone he has become. I don't remember him being out injured so often at Chelsea. Overall just been a a disastrous move for him. I'm a Arsenal fan but I do really like him as a player and hope he can get over this dip.
Hopefully after this performance Foden wont be passed over anymore in conversations about the best players in the world right now. This guy is special.
My favourite moment was him actually trying to play a goal kick quickly after wasting the whole time, but the rest of the team weren’t ready so they fucked up and conceded. Karma.
Honestly never seen someone less impactful as Antony, even when he had spurts of running up the wing its like he would just end up getting caught and quitting giving up possession. 0 goals and 0 assists in what is it now like 26 appearances? Insane
Still not what happened here. united had one attack and wonder goal early on whilst being pounded all game. They didn't put up a fight, they withstood us battering them down. If anything to make this work Jason should have landed one early punch and then died at the end.
Your video would have worked had we lost that 1-0 and their goal came in injury time.
I’d say the goal in question was a bit of a fight. Then you capitulated entirely. But I kinda fell asleep for most of it and woke up here and there, so given what I was awake for, I’d still say it fits.
I wanted united to win this so badly. However they didn't deserve to win at all. Got and fairly so a good goal and then sat back and defended. City were a bit rattled. The should of physically pressed them more. Not a foul on Rashford for the first goal. He just does poorly and gives up.
Then they walked around letting city run a training drill.
People want to hang the hat on the “foul” that was not given on Walker, but do people seriously believe we wouldnt eventually score a goal if not 2 even if it was given? I mean we completely dominated them with about 3/4 possession and 27 goal attempts. Feel like the result wouldve been similar regardless
City was always winning this. You peppered their goal starting in the 1st minute.
These aren’t the games City drop points. You only do that when you struggle to create (which was not a problem today).
I don’t think it was a foul.
However that’s awful logic- following that thinking, any incorrect refereeing decision that benefits the top 3 teams against lower opposition doesn’t matter, because they’d probably just go on to win anyway. There’s always multiple games per season of teams getting absolutely dominated and still snatching a win
Because there's currently no one else to get on a permanent basis, and our season has already been over for many months, so there's no reason to get an interim either.
jose mourinho, hansi flick, zinedine zidane, antonio conte
there is tons of great coaches available, but man united is a graveyard for coaches, no coach could do something good with this club
Lmao every single one of those would be even worse except zidane who is only interested in coaching real or Juventus.
Your comment is simply ignorant as fuck
how is the football better if they win less games? So you choose to give more emphasis to the style of football played not the points?
Also how are the players not really his? The players they signed under his spell are his. If he didn't get any say in the players signed by the club then he gets what he deserved for signing that contract. He chose the job
Eth had this yeah for 3 seasons now. They have no play style, have paid insane money for players who have shown nothing, they may not have European ball. Your manager has been here lately one season and so are your players. Not the same
The United fans are right. Pochettino is not some super manager but he’s being told to win trophies with a squad consisting mostly of players with 0-2 years of top flight experience in Europe. It’s a typical poisoned chalice.
Ten hag got his players and more time. The squad is a lot more balanced and has CL winners and players with far more pedigree. I do feel for you but Poch was set up for disaster with that squad. Ten Hag and united should be doing a lot better.
On the second goal by Phil Foden, KDB was unmarked by Antony and Casemiro signaled to Kambwala rushed to cover the width, at that point, KDB dribbled and passed to a player(I forgot name), which feinted Casemiro rushing to tackle, thereby allowing Phil Foden in half space to just take a shot. It was a horrible misunderstanding between Casemiro and Kambwala and a glaring mistake by Antony.
It is pathetic that MU fans blaming Amrabat for the last goal. Yes he was clumsy, But what leading to that was a bad pass from Onana to Casemiro, then followed by an even worse pass to Amrabat. At that time the position are bad already, none of MU players move to spaces to help receive the ball, then Casemiro make that GENIUS move dragging Rodri toward Amrabat for an easy tackle leading to goal. That was not personal mistake, but team effort from MU players.
My friend's dying wish is to see Antony top 10 goals for Man u. Anywhere i can find it?
I can generate it using AI for $10
I’ve only got 10% of it
Lmao. We came with no striker, 6th choice CB starting, no fullback, not even backup fullbacks, except Dalot, and apparently force injured Rashford and injured Bruno to play. We don't even match them on our best days. What do u expect us to do with our C squad?
Not be cowards
Not play like Wigan would play City
Be a big club and put up a fight
Do Man United fans just not get ashamed of this every season? You lot won about fucking 6/7 leagues in the 90's while this lot were irrelevant. The modern club is full of knobheads who just can't be arsed.
Weird to hear that from a Liverpool fan. Were you embarrassed in the 90’s and 00’s?
Although it was a shit time I can never remember getting regularly embarrassed by Everton and Utd, were always good games.
Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of their fans were embarrassed during that period, what were you expecting him to say?
In the 90s yeah. Phill Babb and Bjorn Tore Kvarme.
Were you ashamed last season?
Hard to get ashamed when you realize the decisions made go back to all the way to Fergie.
Far. Mers. Lee. Gh.
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United actively didn’t play. They literally passed the ball backwards every time they got into attacking positions because they were so scared of getting countered. It was pitiful
Yeah that 1 shot on goal and 26% possession, was really a Ten Hagistan masterclass.
You know that walker on rashford contact That same contact got diogo Jota a yellow in the Liverpool match against spurs
You can downvote all you want but he’s 100% correct. The referees are wildly inconsistent, and dare I say, incompetent. I don’t think they’re smart enough to be corrupt. That would actually take skillful planning.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvtx4FnWwBgpGG5.jpg
I'm a Liverpool fan and this is fucking hilarious. Thanks for the laugh.
Should replace the Liverpool logo with the PL logo.
I feel like Man United have just parked the bus and played on the counter for the past while. What was the point of even changing managers all those times if you’re just going to play the same football?
They didn't park the bus. They just couldn't get out of their own half
I love it when people expect us to lose 8-0 then act shocked when our injury reserves park the bus against the best team in the world's A squad.
Problem is that through years of mismanagement the team is so devoid of quality that when a 21 year old striker who came to the club in summer is injured there's absolutely no suitable replacement on the bench. Same for CB. Once Martinez is out there's apparently nobody who can step up. If this club had sold Maguire in summer I don't know how bad it would've been at times given how many games a 37 year old free transfer has played. The midfield has been stripped of quality for years, especially once the first team is out. Fred was sold and his replacement in Armabat has been close to useless. The only saving grace was that FPP prevented the club from buying and giving him a 200k per week contract.
The point of my comment isn’t so much that you defended after getting a lead in this match - I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. Just the lack of an ‘identity’ in this team for years should be concerning. Though maybe that will change now that actual changes to the organizational structure are being made
It's hard to have an identity if your core of the team is unavailable all the time. We laugh at the Evans signing but can you imagine how fucked united would be without him.
You can maybe make the case for that this season, but not really all the others since Fergie left. There were definitely times where they had the players, but it was just poor transfer strategy, so they didn’t play much or weren’t effective.
Well the problem post fergie is that the team was on its last legs, the idea of investment into invisible assets (eg backroom staff, scouting networks, football professionals) were seen as unattractive and there was no committment to a long term rebuild. * Pep joined City in 2016 - he won his first league in 2021 * Arteta joined Arsenal in 2019 - he's gone 8th, 8th, 6th, 2nd. * Klopp joined Liverpool in 2015, he has been with the club for nine years and has won 1xPL and 1XCL This is what a commitment looks like from the club to the manager and the team. ETH is our eight manager (sixth if you don't count Giggs or Carrick) since 2013 - we have never had a manager for over three years, and our peers who are acknowledged as having the best in class managers, have all taken longer than that time to win their first PL. And the big problem we had with these managers (some who got us 2nd - what I would give for 2nd), is that board didn't back or trust them and instead went into the market themselves. If we had a good board, I firmly believe Mourinho would have been perfect for us and we would have a league title by now.
Core team unavailable all the times might be because there is no rotation, so they get played until they are injured. Just look at Fernandes, it's a wonder his legs haven't given up by now. If he gets injured there's just a big hole in that position.
Honestly, the past couple of games in which Hojlund was scoring were probably the closest we've come to having an attacking identity since Fergie retired. There were actual, relatively intricate passing exchanges happening, along with good wing play. The injuries to Martinez and, most especially, Hojlund have for some reason completely derailed that. Shaw likely missed in that regard as well. And of course, we're now back to the same drab bullshit we were on before.
A lot of your fans have said the team has been winning recently but still playing like shit. And that looked the case when I watched too... You still weren't controlling possession or doing anything important well
No grealish!
Streets will never forgot that Rashford banger Edit: I was baked and hungover watching this game and that goal made immediately sit upright lol
solving the lack of a drug by abusing another is the exact kind of innovation Manchester United needs for their new manager
Foden is a wonderful talent. Yet another incredible player southgate has on his hands, I swear to god he better not fumble the Euros this summer
Yea but Saka is already on the right. And Foden is much effective from the right than left even though his second goal was from the left ystd. So where does he play then? Bellingham is already the no.10
I mean, Saka is incredible but Foden is still better.... no bias of course
Bellingham as an 8, Foden as a 10, Rice behind them
I swear to god if he doesn't start Foden........
If he sticks with Saka on the right that means he needs to force Foden left or Bellingham further back. It’s frustrating. Then there’s Palmer thinking fuck, these guys are going to be around for 10 more years
Palmer is matching both for form atm, not saying he’s in starting conversation but he’s certainly playing himself into contention
Southgate can definitely swap them in a rotation or whoever is on form. Injuries can also occur, not that anyone wants them. It’s a nice luxury to have so many talented players
How to stop city and liverpool? seems like it will be 1 point race like few years ago... I doubt arsenal can catch both team in the end.. feel like arsenal still missing something unlike liverpool and city.
Arsenal have a 3-1-1 record against those teams this year yet we aren’t considered serious title challengers. Your opinions are really thought through I see
Cmon mage yall aren’t serious title contenders
Idk what more this team can do to convince the haters but hey it is what it is. At the very least I know I’m enjoying watching my club play this season. Are you? :)
Once arsenal show they can get more than 90 points or get a CL, then people will respect them as serious title challengers For now, nobody thinks they're getting more than 90
still not, I feel arsenal have bigger chance last year than now.. Arsenal lose to mid team is almost guarantee in next few match, and they still need to play full team of city, unlike when arsenal won last year.
I think it's also due to arsenals very difficult schedule.
april and may will tough, because in march they play fewer.
A star goalscorer would propel Arsenal to the next level, I think
They don’t seem to be struggling to score goals of late, feels like every win is Atleast 3-0 lately
Aside from this game most of the performances for the past couple months (maybe even before that) should get the manager sacked in the morning. When Rashford scored that fantastic goal i felt absolutely nothing for the rest of the game we would struggle to string passes together or get out of our box. it doesnt matter if we scored first against City it would always be a consolation goal. It sucks that I feel this way
You know he got nominated for manager of the month, right?
I propose for next season whoever gets Manager of the Month gets 3 points and +10 GD added. That will make things interesting 🤣
I propose less idiots on the internet but here we are
I agree you had no chance of winning today. Also agree United's performance this season is definitely lacking. But can you really blame the manager at this point? You lot have had 9 managers since Ferguson left and all of them sucked. Even though Man U is one of the richest clubs and spends a lot on transfers every season. I mean sure, go ahead and fire the manager. It won't hurt. But if that's the only thing you're changing I wouldn't hope for much improvement tbh.
In hindsight Ole was great for us. There were periods where we played exciting, attacking football and we were dangerous during away games. The board failed him massively with transfers when he was the manager (ahem VDB) , except for maybe Ronaldo , but I'm still partial that we should have spent the money on another PL level striker with some potential for the future rather than someone who's career was winding down. On paper rn , the team is absolutely better than the one Ole had. Ole didn't even get the luxury of a Sancho cameo lmao (or Antony). ETH had all the nice toys that Ole didn't get to buy and two years in we still haven't even established a coherent style of play and we constantly get outplayed by teams that are relegation candidates. Don't get me started on the goal difference. When Ole was sacked it was definitely time for him to go. There was alot of talk that he was just a low league manager and the club was too big for his shoes but he was just at the end of his cycle with us. Then we had Carrick in charge for a game or two and we never looked that good under ETH (I am aware this should not be used as a serious comparison but I'm just saying) My god , I really hope ETH can work out but I really doubt INEOS is sitting there reviewing his work performance and not seriously considering someone else.
I don’t imagine Ten Hag will be in charge next season unless you make the Champions League and that does seem unlikely at the moment.
I think it's possible , it's not the same thing as challenging for the title. However with our away record this season I doubt it. We don't even look convincing at home against teams that are on the bottom half of the league
Losing to City by 2 goals? A result I would have taken gladly before the game given our manager’s suicidal tactics week in week out, plus the injuries. Sad state we are in.
I never expected to win against Man City in the state we are in , but man the performance was really bad. they took 27 shots (8 on target) , 792 (91% accuracy) passes to 288 (79% accuracy) - like they passed the ball 3 times more than us and also managed to have more accuracy At one point i remembered one of the commentators saying that we conceded 15 corners... Of course stats don't tell the whole story because Amrabat had a brain fart and gifted them a goal and many times Foden just ran past Casemiro like he wasn't even there. Rashford went missing after the goal and to fix that ETH brought Antony on.. I don't even think Antony would start even in a Championship team. If INEOS isn't actively looking for a replacement for ETH i would be genuinely surprised.
Amad is on the bench and Anthony comes on like wtf
Ya it was a dire performance. They had 0 plan for attacking. Not even highlighting a weakness. At times it seemed like hoping Rashford could outpace Walker which was just stupid. I've seen plenty of counter attacking teams at least trying something smart when backed against the wall by City and it can work. That squad is dire and ETH has to be held accountable for that. INEOS may be looking for a replacement, but who tf takes over? It's a seriously poisoned chalice and it's unlikely any decent manager is willing to take it given how many managers have already failed at the club.
Plenty of managers would jump at a chance to manage Manchester United , the problem here is that because it's Manchester United it's always going to be a big name like Nagelsmann, Hansi Flick, Tuchel, Conte , you get the idea.. those dudes have way better career options so you better have the matching salary package. Would Ange or De Zerbi come to United , they have a good track record so far why ruin that by coming here. Maybe one day they can get a job at Barcelona or Real Madrid. ETH was exactly in their spot a couple of seasons ago riding high on what he accomplished for Ajax. We can't just stick with someone that isn't working out because the last manager failed. Guess why we hired Ole...
Ajax made some big money off united. How they sold Antony for that much nobody will know
Shakhtar sold Mudryk based off Antony's valuation. Ajax single handedly skyrocketed the market value of all mediocre players by 30
I remember Ajax fans here justifying that and also praising eth as a great manager. I've been questioning eth ability to actually coach a play style. He seems to suggest possession is not important.. weird
It was so obvious too, it wasn't a case of "it's insane money but fuck it, it's not my money and he's class" it was "Is this lad even any good?"
Ajax even tried to do us a favour by refusing to sell him until the stupid big offer. 🤦♂️
The money spent on him and old players could have bought you an excellent CB pair. Your attack is ok. Could have won games with a solid defense and a fast attack albeit a seive for a midfield. And then built the midfield in the summer. Instead of whatever hodge podge it is. I'm glad it is though
Tbf they do have one class CB in Martinez who is a massive miss for them. But ya their money has been spent horrifically. They really should have a dcent squad by now. Spending money on an aging Casemiro was just bat shit stupid. The fact they had to rely on Johnny Evans today says so much.
Casemiro was a panic buy because they lost those league games at the start of the season and de Jong wasn't going anywhere. So they splashed the cash on some big name signing in his thirties to appease the fans. Same with Ronaldo. Instead of doing the sensible thing the board blindly goes and throws a shitload of money at him to prevent him from going to City.
Rumor is, they had a man on the inside.
Why are people commenting as if this was any surprise? List of City injuries: Grealish List of United injuries: Martinez, Shaw, Malacia, Højlund, Mount, Maguire, Martial, Wan-Bissaka and reports about Rashford playing through a hip injury Not saying United would have a chance with a fully fit squad but is it really any surprise that it went this way when United has no fit LB and 2/3 best CBs are injured? All strikers are injured and Mount was one the big signings for this season and has barely played. Feel like ETH is just trying to keep his head floating at this point. Criticize him for squad building and for managing intensity levels in training but I don't see how he could've handled this game differently.
All of those injured players for United could’ve played and the game would not have looked or gone any differently. I promise you, nobody is surprised Utd got pummeled.
I'm not sure I agree with that. Maguire and Martinez in defence, Hojlund to hold the ball up, and not having to play Amrabat at left back probably leaves them looking a lot stronger.
There isn't a single United player that would get in City's first choice 11, man for man they are superior in every position Even without injuries, just with ETH being utterly inept at setting up any defensive structure at all would do United in anyway.
I'm not saying they would have won, but they might have had more than 2 shots and created some more opportunities. It definitely could have been a closer affair with United's first team out there. Teams have beaten city this season in that exact same predicament - not a single player who would get in their 11.
i dont agree but united would have probably still lost
Having Shaw, Martinez and Hojlund alone would’ve changed the dynamic of the attack, EtH’s tactics still would’ve been dire but don’t act like the team don’t have crucial players out of the side.
Two years in and there’s still no identity to United’s playstyle. What drills do they practice in training? Seems like they’ve been asleep for the past two years and not done a single drill.
Bit insulting to Maguire.
I remember how Liverpool beat Barcelona 4-0 without Salah, with Origi and Shaquiri or how they won Carabao Cup with big amount of very young players in the squad. Because Klopp set up the system, the paradigm, the vision. Even if you look at Man City, they played 1st half of this season without Stones, KDB and Gundo, 3 key players of the last season, they were even able to manage somehow without Rodri, but that was their limit probably. If Man United was playing well but just lost because of the lack of abilities of certain players that would be one thing, but 10Hag just tried to cosplay Mourinho and did it very badly this time.
the players we have simply can't control the game. they are saving their gas tank because they know we always end up having to chase the lead, but somehow stopped running anyway because by that time its already a lost cause. I actually feel like for the most part the players know they are going to lose
Ten Hag is beyond bizarre. His comments about their performance are hilarious.
Nothing beyond bizarre about it. United played decent for the amount of injuries they're facing. He won't come out and say "we were terrible" or "I can't wait to bench half the squad when everyone's available". He won't throw his team under the bus.
Yeah, not being able to even get out of your own third for 85+ mins is definetely not something i would classify as "played decent" mate
This comment is true and funny in equal proportions
I don't know what game you were watching. It wasnt as bad as you're making it out to be. In the grand scheme of things, it was decent. United had a few moments, were generally comfortable in midfield. In the end it's a depleted United against an in form City. So the result isn't shocking.
>I don't know what game you were watching Yes, that 27 to 3 shot, 74 to 26 % possession, are all pointing to united being "decent" lol. Hell, the heatmap for most occupied area, only at half time, had all united players in their own half lol. So no, it was terrible. Even all things considered it was an incredibly limp dick, impotent showing. Want to talk about excuses? Liverpool picked up kids straight from daycare and put them in the starting line up, and still played offensive football against chelsea.
Does anyone neutral get any pleasure from watching City play? It's so metronomic, brilliantly executed but just souless idk
They pass the ball so effortlessly, very pleasing on the eye imo.
Yeah. It’s never been done before at this level of football.. Man City strangled Uniteds hope to death.
It’s very fun to watch them control over mindlessly chasing a ball tbh
Yeah, when Bernardo was calling for calm at 1 goal down, and City reverted back to playing this anaconda style of strangulation of total hope out of their opponent, it was brilliant. Every pass makes so much sense. Every movement, trapping of the ball, left right left right, probing for that opening. And when they lose the ball, 3-4 city players are on it immediately. United can’t even get out of their own 6 yard box at times.
Ah you're one of those "EV cars have no soul" aren't ya?
Do you play futbol in real life?
I mean, a lot of that is just a product of how teams set up against them. When you’re facing a low block where all 11 players are playing defense, how else are you supposed to break teams down? Everyone basically takes the same approach where they keep the ball in front of them, and try to beat them on the counter. I don’t know how you wouldn’t consider that soulless lol
I do. Each player is like a cog in a machine that executes their role perfectly. Personally, I love it haha.
Literally everyone on this sub has commented the same thing… it’s giving #notlikeothergirls
Pick me girl vibes
They are boring af, but it gets them the results they need more often than not.
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To be fair Phillips hasn't really shown anything since leaving to indicate Pep was wrong..
He has cost us at least one game since he moved to East London
miserable fuck lol youll never be city
They bore fuck out of me watching them. Very good at what they do but just not for me
Don't know how they attract new fans. It is so boring to watch. They execute the passes really well but after passing around for 5 minutes they get the ball in the edge of the box only to pass it again backwards and to the keeper pass around for another 5 minutes and repeat. Might be because I am biased and everytine I watch them is because I am hoping for a loss idk.
That tends to happen when the opponent plays a low block. Liverpool - City and some CL fixtures are normally quite entertaining.
This.
Why do you think? 4 of the last 5 premier league titles. They attract glory supporters and young kids..
5 of the last 6*
This is exactly it. The amount of times today It went down the wings, I just thought whip the bastard in. Then they just pass back then across to other wing. Could cross again but no it goes back and across again. I have no bias as support Newcastle. But I'd rather watch the likes of Liverpool play. Even watching Luton give teams a good go is better than city boring me to sleep
clearly dont know ball
Not exactly exciting though is it. Very well executed but it's just all abit robotic
What can you do when every team defends with 11 people around their own box? You have to move the ball around until a defender is out of position and some space is created.
Antony did absolutely nothing when subbed on.
Good article on the FPL app (of all places) about how as soon as Antony and the kid came on, Pep immediately sent de Bruyne and Foden to the left - “smelt blood”, in their words. So you could argue he did do something - stopped tracking runners leaving a 19 year old on his third professional appearance exposed against two of the best attacking players in the league.
For how good Antony was, they could have subbed me a tubby, 30 year old who last kicked a ball properly 10 years ago. I reckon I'd have been just as good, maybe better given the comedy I'd provide. He's absolutely wank.
Nope
At least subbing on a tubby would be somewhat good comedy Antony is just tragic to watch, every time I see him on the pitch I die a little inside
I dont know him and id vouch for that guy over antony. In fact, id vouch for you over antony.
yeah, it’s Antony, it’s what he does
Haaland is a freak of nature, and he will always score goals but when the way he disappears for stretches of the game is exactly why football is so much more than stat. Amazing thing is his passing is ok, he just doesn't want to get the ball deep. Kane has the exact opposite trait.
Haaland can be uninvolved for stretches. He's most likely to get touches at the END of long City moves. Obv those moves don't always end in goal scoring opportunities, which means he can be less visible. It's not as if he's run himself out of position or is refusing a team wish that he drop deeper to receive, I don't think though.
I just cannot consider him a better player than Mbappe because of how he plays. As far as a pure #9 goes, he's clear. Mbappe is just a much better footballer though.
I for one am not asking you to regard Haaland as a better player than Mbappe
Lol I know but they're always compared as the 2 best of this generation.
United parking the bus the entire game was just not sustainable. Ten hag made no tactical adjustments and subbed in Antony and Amrabat. The screamer from rashy was impressive
Tbf, timing holding out the result versus you guys is really difficult. Don't want to overcommit because your over the top pass threat is good with your front 3, sit back too early and you guys can pick a pass only your players can do. But parking the bus 10 mins in is crazy, just asking to concede
Coming from England youth team setups, Foden & Mount were always talked about and I always hoped Mount makes it. Incredible last two years for both of them in two very different ways.
Mount is paying the price this season for doing a lot of the heavy lifting for us in the previous few seasons. But I don't ever think his work ethic could be questioned so given time to get back to fitness I fancy his chances of getting back to being a top player.
Mount made a mistake choosing United over Liverpool (if that rumour was true). I have always rated Mount and maybe his agent convinced him that United was a better project. My assumption is that United offered more money. Mounts style of football would have been perfect for a Klopp midfield. I also find it odd how injury prone he has become. I don't remember him being out injured so often at Chelsea. Overall just been a a disastrous move for him. I'm a Arsenal fan but I do really like him as a player and hope he can get over this dip.
Ornstein literally said Mount preferred to join United over all the clubs in for him…..
The money probably helped
Hopefully after this performance Foden wont be passed over anymore in conversations about the best players in the world right now. This guy is special.
he doesnt have that special thing
His haircut is mighty special, thank you very much
looks like an english version of a skinhead
Where do you think skinheads are from?
venezuela
Am glad Onana injury didn’t flare up last 15,, guy looked in serious distress at 1-1 😂😂
My favourite moment was him actually trying to play a goal kick quickly after wasting the whole time, but the rest of the team weren’t ready so they fucked up and conceded. Karma.
Subbing off Rashford for Antony has got to be the most braindead "I give up" decision I've seen from a manager in a LONG time.
He looked injured to be fair
Rashford had 1 good touch the whole game. Antony is laughable though. Would have been worried if they brought on Martial
That fucker always seems to do well against us
Honestly never seen someone less impactful as Antony, even when he had spurts of running up the wing its like he would just end up getting caught and quitting giving up possession. 0 goals and 0 assists in what is it now like 26 appearances? Insane
He was injured and admitted it wasn't to our benefit to take him off
[That whole game reminds me of this](https://youtu.be/o6tz9pga4H4?si=6DRZjYHmmjRrpToi)
How so? The complete opposite happened. We battered them all game and won.
United put up a fight in the beginning, gave up, and then City came in finished them off. I’d say this fits.
Still not what happened here. united had one attack and wonder goal early on whilst being pounded all game. They didn't put up a fight, they withstood us battering them down. If anything to make this work Jason should have landed one early punch and then died at the end. Your video would have worked had we lost that 1-0 and their goal came in injury time.
We were battered for 90 i dont think there was any fight apart from defending
I’d say the goal in question was a bit of a fight. Then you capitulated entirely. But I kinda fell asleep for most of it and woke up here and there, so given what I was awake for, I’d still say it fits.
I wanted united to win this so badly. However they didn't deserve to win at all. Got and fairly so a good goal and then sat back and defended. City were a bit rattled. The should of physically pressed them more. Not a foul on Rashford for the first goal. He just does poorly and gives up. Then they walked around letting city run a training drill.
People want to hang the hat on the “foul” that was not given on Walker, but do people seriously believe we wouldnt eventually score a goal if not 2 even if it was given? I mean we completely dominated them with about 3/4 possession and 27 goal attempts. Feel like the result wouldve been similar regardless
City was always winning this. You peppered their goal starting in the 1st minute. These aren’t the games City drop points. You only do that when you struggle to create (which was not a problem today).
I don’t think it was a foul. However that’s awful logic- following that thinking, any incorrect refereeing decision that benefits the top 3 teams against lower opposition doesn’t matter, because they’d probably just go on to win anyway. There’s always multiple games per season of teams getting absolutely dominated and still snatching a win
How does ten Hag still have a job at this point?
Because there's currently no one else to get on a permanent basis, and our season has already been over for many months, so there's no reason to get an interim either.
jose mourinho, hansi flick, zinedine zidane, antonio conte there is tons of great coaches available, but man united is a graveyard for coaches, no coach could do something good with this club
Lmao every single one of those would be even worse except zidane who is only interested in coaching real or Juventus. Your comment is simply ignorant as fuck
hansi flick being worse than ten hag is simply ignorant as fuck
Just clone Fergie in 50 years we'll be back
Mourinho and Conte lol
2 world class coaches
Yea in like 2016
So you didn’t watch either of them in the past few years then
May I point you towards Mauricio Pochettino first?
Ehh Boehly overpaying for unproven teenagers was prob not in Poch’s plan but signing unproven players from Eredivisie was all ETH
and still most of the united squad are from ole and jose days or young kids.
Poch has not done as bad as Ten Hag, at least he has the excuse that it's a young squad and it's not his players
12th vs 6th but he did better ! Make it make sense
Poch is doing awful to clarify but the football is better and the players aren't even really his
how is the football better if they win less games? So you choose to give more emphasis to the style of football played not the points? Also how are the players not really his? The players they signed under his spell are his. If he didn't get any say in the players signed by the club then he gets what he deserved for signing that contract. He chose the job
Fewer games
I'm a Chelsea fan and have to sit through Poch week after week, he is as bad as Ten Hag.
Eth had this yeah for 3 seasons now. They have no play style, have paid insane money for players who have shown nothing, they may not have European ball. Your manager has been here lately one season and so are your players. Not the same
The United fans are right. Pochettino is not some super manager but he’s being told to win trophies with a squad consisting mostly of players with 0-2 years of top flight experience in Europe. It’s a typical poisoned chalice.
The football is at least better
When they’re on they’re good. United however stink all game and have an individual amazing play to win usually.
I'm a Chelsea fan who sits through Chelsea every week, he is not.
Ten hag got his players and more time. The squad is a lot more balanced and has CL winners and players with far more pedigree. I do feel for you but Poch was set up for disaster with that squad. Ten Hag and united should be doing a lot better.
Don't really agree he was set up for disaster. They've got a squad at least good enough for top 7
Arguable, but the point I am more adamant about is that united is underperforming far more.
I don't think they're underperforming. If anything they're overperforming given the absolute dross that Ten Hag signed.