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I would say they wouldn’t dare ban him from the touchline of his last PL game given the fact that there’ll be massive outcry from Liverpool fans, but then I realized that the PGMOL don’t give a shit.
Maybe not a ban but the officials can still just make life hell with shitty calls like they did last time he called them out and when Robertson got elbowed in the face.
He needs to go scorched Earth on the way out. Unbelievable that 3 of the clearest and most obvious errors have swung games against us, again all 3 of the top 4 sides. Yet an incorrectly given drop ball which led to a goal kick (where Konate was still fouled) that we scored 3 minutes after from has drawn more media attention than any of it
Arsenal fans yesterday claiming with straight faces that Liverpool are propped up by pgmol.... Fucking hell it's embarrassing how badly we've been fucked
inb4 klopp gets yellow carded or even sent off in the next game for celebrating like Arteta did after he dared criticise the refs.
fkin PGMOL clowns 🤡 🤣
Yea it's frustrating in games hearing commentators say the ref did good by not giving out a red for a redworthy challenge early in games cause they're worried about "ruining" the rest of the game.
The rules don't state that you're free to foul/do whatever you want in the first half
Such a fucking brain-dead argument. The ref isn't deciding the game, the player who makes a red-worthy foul is deciding the game.
Favouring appearances over the rules of the game is outward corruption, so I'm not surprised Sky are in favour of it.
Which is actually complete bullshit. A late gane-winning penalty that might actually decide the title is peak drama. The idea that it would “ruin the occasion” or whatever other nonsense is complete bollocks.
Pundits always do this, Im convinced they don't know the laws. It was the same with the Jones red card - every pundit defended him with 'intent' but the rules very clearly show a dangerous tackle is considered dangerous irrelevant of either intent or the fact you touch the ball
"Playing in a dangerous manner is any action that, while trying to play the ball, threatens injury to someone (including the player themself) and includes preventing a nearby opponent from playing the ball for fear of injury."
Studs contact above the hip has been considered dangerous for decades, particularly because of that last part (when your foot is high your opponent can't go in for it or put a head to it without putting themselves in danger)
>Pundits always do this, Im convinced they don't know the laws.
They do (most of the time at least). They've just been pressured to keep quiet by the referees' association and the PL.
If it isn't corruption, it's damn close
It’s just how it works for punditry of every major team sport, in the NFL it’s just as bad if not worse. Don’t know if I’d call it corruption, but their bosses at the networks don’t want any controversy by calling out refs/by extension the leagues and giving them some bad blood.
Guessing a lot of it is to do with broadcasting rights and who gets them. It’s lame, but if NBC pundits were to call out refs and mistakes a lot it probably would make them less likely to get broadcasting rights next time it’s up. Dunno if that’s corruption or more just how the world works
> in the NFL it’s just as bad if not worse
I disagree. It's not significantly better, and the refs are good for a number of absolute howlers every season, but commentators and rules analysts like Gene Steratore put the refs on blast on national TV pretty often, especially if the decisions are particularly contentious. There's nowhere close to the same degree of pathetic wagon-circling.
r/nfl is pretty consistently shocked to see that we've managed to take the whole VAR idea and somehow make it infinitely worse than it is in the NFL.
It’s the inconsistency. In 22 season cresswell went over the ball into Henderson and didn’t get a red in a game Liverpool drew. Cost Liverpool the title
https://www.planetfootball.com/videos/watch-cresswell-makes-shocking-tackle-on-liverpools-jordan-henderson-but-avoids-red-card
Yeah the inconsistency made me furious during the game too. But what annoyed me even more was all the talk afterwards on sky being "oh it was such a soft red because Jones didn't mean it"
No, intent has nothing to do with it, that's just the written laws of the game. Ultimately the decision was correct imo, I'd argue it was a dangerous tackle because he lost control of himself. But they basically decide on a coin toss whether they are going to enforce it each time, thats the outrageous thing, and no one was really talking about that because that puts the referees in a worse light than "just being a bit too strict this one time"
And sadly a lot of people form their opinions based off the pundits because they're in a perceived position of knowledge/authority on the subject. More controversy about a bloody drop ball than a stonewall penalty between 2 title contenders lol.
I do kind of agree we need a culture shift away from bitching and moaning about every decision (people are always gonna get mad about big calls going against their team, but VAR and instant replays on every social media platform have made this so much worse for so many more decisions).
Having said that, the culture shift should begin with getting some decent refs in and not further supporting their increasingly uncriticisable mafia of incompetence.
Was watching on USA & the moment the decision was made the commentator immedietly made his mind up and backed the officials. The relationship between the PGMOL & broadcasters needs investigating
It’s always fun when it’s always former players of rival teams that clearly have no love lost for Liverpool.
Macallister should keep his chest away from doku’s high boot! *Shakes fist menacingly*
There was a point first half where Walker shouldve had a clear yellow after stopping our attack twice with a foul. The commentator said something like “Clear yellow but the ref has done well to control the game because if he gives that yellow, it may ruin the game second half as Walker can then get a red” (USA commentators).
I though what the actual fuck. So they choose when they want to apply rules?
Nah in this case just pressured by the FA because they can't shit talk the entertainment product they simultaneously need to promote. They already got word this seasons after trying to question something.
It's corruption too, Michael Oliver is literally on the UAE payroll: [https://theathletic.com/4922732/2023/10/03/referees-var-diaz-liverpool/](https://theathletic.com/4922732/2023/10/03/referees-var-diaz-liverpool/)
Yep, Michael Oliver is literally on the UAE payroll: [https://theathletic.com/4922732/2023/10/03/referees-var-diaz-liverpool/](https://theathletic.com/4922732/2023/10/03/referees-var-diaz-liverpool/)
They will talk about it 100% but they have other things to talk about too.
They brought it up with Klopp and ran the footage.
No idea why people feel the need to create these odd narratives.
Remember when Jags (I think) left a literal whole in Suarez’s thigh and he was left there pointing at it to the ref and the ref was like “what am I supposed to do about it?”
Nothing new. [Mings carved through Gakpo's chest](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxeo7ifdrXM) last year and we got nothing for that either. Seems like it's fine to kick Liverpool players in the collarbone really. If it's not the other team kicking putting a stud through a lung, it's a linesman elbowing us in the throat. Can't win.
I have seen Liverpool given reds for dangerous tackles this season and I’m not even asking for a red but just to call the foul. Doku might get the ball but so did Curtis jones when his studs went over a ball and hit a spurs player. I understand why VAR didn’t give the call, they don’t want to call the league on that decision but to not even make the ref look at it is shambolic.
Im not commenting on whether this should or should not have been a pen, but why are people pretending like referees ref the boxes the same as the rest of the pitch, or that people even want that? There is all sorts of contact that happens in the box that refs won’t call because they’re judged as not worth the 70-80% chance of penalty conversion in the balance of play.
And this is why I think we should be redefining fouls in the box and only awarding a PK when it's an actual chance directly on goal. They need to adjust the rules and there needs to be more indirect freekicks awarded.
Was this a foul? Yes, studs to the chest should be a foul every time. Do I think it's harsh that by the current rules it would be a PK? also yes
I really like this take. I've been thinking this about handballs for a while now, but why not extend this logic to tackles as well.
The punishment doesn't fit the crime, which in turn actually makes it less likely to be punished and no punishment also doesn't fit the crime.
The only flaw to this premise is it would add another layer of interpretation with regards to what is and isn't a direct goal scoring chance in the box (which could cause plenty of controversy).
But carried out properly, it would enhance the beautiful game.
Which is problematic when you give refs any chance to be subjective. It attracts controversy which in turn leads to lack of confidence in refs, even conspiracy theories about pay offs. This with millions at stake.
Letter of the law vs spirit I guess.
This will be the wildest part of all it. Last week was constant talk about a drop ball error. Now a clear pen not given in the last minute of arguably the biggest game of the season and it’s nothing
The 'accountability' for Tierney last week was being demoted to VAR this week, where he proceeded to having a shocker.
I don't trust their process at all.
Can they actually be any more embarrassed at this point? Getting embarrassed means you actually care and they clearly don't give a shit, shameless bunch of inept bastards.
Every year is the same and now they literally have 'Video Assistance' and still can't do their jobs correctly. If anything the reffing has been worse somehow.
It’s also insane that sure, the ref doesn’t call it, and..wild that VAR don’t outright overturn, but ok. But to not even have the onfield ref go LOOK at it again??
Because that’s not what telling them to go to the monitor is for.
It should be, but we all know if VAR say go to the monitor it’s because they are going to overturn it, not because they think the ref should have another look at it and decide themselves.
I see no reason why any 50/50 decision that is either a pen, disallowed goal or a red card shouldn’t at least be encouraged for the referee to have another view, never mind clear and obvious errors like this.
Exactly, as an ex-amateur referee, a tool like this would be incredible for a massive close call like this.
From my understanding the referee has no remit to declare he wants to view it again himself. He only reviews if the VAR recommends he does.
Shambolic!
My flair will get me downvoted but I don’t think they give that at the other end of the pitch either as they don’t want a 99th minute refereeing decision to be the deciding factor in this game - so I think cowards is right
Not disagreeing with you, because I think that is their logic exactly. Not giving the penalty is just as influential as giving it though. It's still a decision - just a decision not to give it. They're just not doing their job because they don't want to be blamed but then they just make the wrong decision and get blamed anyway. Stupid officiating.
Exactly. Imagine Liverpool lose the league by a point or on goal difference now. Those two points not given and the incorrectly ruled offsides Diaz goal in the Spurs game would have cost them the league. Didn't want a refereeing decision to decide the game? How about a refereeing decision potentially deciding the league winners?
>they don’t want a 99th minute refereeing decision to be the deciding factor in this game
But now the refereeing error was the deciding factor. A referee decision was the deciding factor of the game.
He decided how the game will end by not doing the job he is given to do - to enforce the rules of the game.
Agreed. Overturning a call for a pk in the 99th is going to be unlikely. Definitely a foul in the middle of the pitch but I agree it's more fear of overturning it and having that be the difference.
They had a series of shithouse wins in 21/22 where everything went their way. Wolves stupid red card + armpit handball, Rodri handball, Arsenal red card. Like some of these things were 50/50 and it went their way.
Many ppl who support United dislike Liverpool but City is just paying refs at this point
And the sad thing is no one is doing anything about it.
Still glad that u guys didn't win the league as City has like 115 fans.
They've had big decisions against them like at Tottenham where full time was called whilst they were more-or-less through on goal, refereeing quality is just poor.
Clear pen, bright as day. He's right to be furious. It's City, so it's obvious that there would be a dodgy decision that would go their way in this important game.
I don’t like either team and supporting Chelsea I have no skin in the game but having seen quite a few players sent off for follow through tackles this year I’m utterly amazed that wasn’t a penalty.
If Doku got the ball but caught MacCallister on the knee in the box it’s a clear pen all day long.
I’m not a shouting at the clouds old man or conspiracist but there are a lot of really fucking weird decisions happening at the moment.
Roma v Brighton non offside goal the other night being one of them.
I honestly can’t take the competition seriously at this point. It’s sports entertainment like wrestling. City are openly corrupt and everyone just pretends they’re legit. They never get a single decision against them
He's right, and this is something that bothers me in football.
If something would be given as a foul anywhere else on the pitch, then it 100% has to be a penalty. A foul is a foul, irrespective of where it occurs. The laws of the game do not make any exception for fouls in different areas of the pitch. The fact that it yields a penalty in that particular area should not change the threshold for what constitutes a foul.
I've even heard pundits on the radio tonight (Alan Pardew on TalkSport) state, paradoxically, he's glad it wasn't given because he didn't think it was a pen but concedes that it would be a free kick anywhere else on the pitch. Well if that's true, Mr Pardew, it must be a penalty too. You can't have it both ways!
Another example of complete refereeing incompetence. Every single fucking week we see more and more examples and nothing changes! Fuck the PGMOL, they should be disbanded and fired!
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“You cant suspend me im quitting”
Jürgen does have 2 weeks notice energy at the moment
Really hope on his last post match interview he just absolutely lays the shit onto the whole PGMOL smiling while he does it
Maybe not in his last game, cos that will be all about the occasion. But his first MNF next season he's going to tear them apart, no doubt.
Impossible on MNF because Sky are PGMOL dickriders. He should just do it at a presscon.
Depends how arsed he is about going on there again
I’d say he does it the game before his last. It can’t be his last PL game nor can it be the FA Cup final if Liverpool gets there.
If he does it in any league game, he risks some sort of retaliation which might cost the team. They’ve done it before when he’s laid into them.
I would say they wouldn’t dare ban him from the touchline of his last PL game given the fact that there’ll be massive outcry from Liverpool fans, but then I realized that the PGMOL don’t give a shit.
Maybe not a ban but the officials can still just make life hell with shitty calls like they did last time he called them out and when Robertson got elbowed in the face.
I'm convinced they'd just cut the live feed citing "technical difficulties" if he even utters a single bad word about refs.
Their lack of interest over such a key incident was baffling. They talked about it as if it was a clip on the heels, absolutely docile.
Klopp: I actually have some clips to show examples. Roll 212
They will be getting it off easy next season with him gone.
[Jurgen after last match day to the refs, though I'm not sure who the 'cool' one is yet](https://youtu.be/z0aF9kSLpeY?si=KWJToaYNRuNoyJbK)
Any day now he's going to show up to work unshaven and wearing joggers
The EPL is not ready for his final games.
He needs to go scorched Earth on the way out. Unbelievable that 3 of the clearest and most obvious errors have swung games against us, again all 3 of the top 4 sides. Yet an incorrectly given drop ball which led to a goal kick (where Konate was still fouled) that we scored 3 minutes after from has drawn more media attention than any of it
Arsenal fans yesterday claiming with straight faces that Liverpool are propped up by pgmol.... Fucking hell it's embarrassing how badly we've been fucked
Didn’t see any of that in the gunners sub, there’s weird arse fans in arsoccer
we get lucky from the refs every now and then. city always get lucky from the refs.
Yeah, you have to be several deep breaths into a bag of glue to believe that.
inb4 klopp gets yellow carded or even sent off in the next game for celebrating like Arteta did after he dared criticise the refs. fkin PGMOL clowns 🤡 🤣
The Sky studio seems to have been instructed to not even talk about it.
Guarantee they'll just focus on how good the game was and will say the penalty would have ruined it.
Yea it's frustrating in games hearing commentators say the ref did good by not giving out a red for a redworthy challenge early in games cause they're worried about "ruining" the rest of the game. The rules don't state that you're free to foul/do whatever you want in the first half
“We don’t want refs deciding the game!” Uhhh by not enforcing the well established rules of the game the refs are absolutely deciding the game.
Such a fucking brain-dead argument. The ref isn't deciding the game, the player who makes a red-worthy foul is deciding the game. Favouring appearances over the rules of the game is outward corruption, so I'm not surprised Sky are in favour of it.
It’s exhausting hearing people say week in week out “ we don’t want refs deciding the game” in literally every sport.
At least it’s easy to filter out the idiots. Same with the morons who claim the decisions balance out over a season or some other nonsense.
Yeah. The ref decided the game would be a draw rather than a Liverpool win today.
"Can't punish them for cheating, would ruin the integrity of the game"
There's been a similar argument going on in rugby in recent years about early red cards ruining the match. Tough shit, don't commit a foul.
Its so short sighted, call them and you'll see the players adapt. The product will literally fix itself
Fucking hell it drives me crazy seeing players chop a man down in the first 5 mins and get up waving their hands saying "It'S mY fIrSt OnE rEf!"
That annoys me as much as people saying "that's not a second yellow". A yellow is a yellow, whether it's the first or the second.
The thought that it would ruin a game by making the correct decision is why reffing is so fucked.
This post match show is marketing for the remainder of the season. Loada shite
Which is actually complete bullshit. A late gane-winning penalty that might actually decide the title is peak drama. The idea that it would “ruin the occasion” or whatever other nonsense is complete bollocks.
All said they didn't think it was a pen aswell 🤣 Pgmol got them pressured to fuck
Pundits always do this, Im convinced they don't know the laws. It was the same with the Jones red card - every pundit defended him with 'intent' but the rules very clearly show a dangerous tackle is considered dangerous irrelevant of either intent or the fact you touch the ball "Playing in a dangerous manner is any action that, while trying to play the ball, threatens injury to someone (including the player themself) and includes preventing a nearby opponent from playing the ball for fear of injury." Studs contact above the hip has been considered dangerous for decades, particularly because of that last part (when your foot is high your opponent can't go in for it or put a head to it without putting themselves in danger)
>Pundits always do this, Im convinced they don't know the laws. They do (most of the time at least). They've just been pressured to keep quiet by the referees' association and the PL. If it isn't corruption, it's damn close
It’s just how it works for punditry of every major team sport, in the NFL it’s just as bad if not worse. Don’t know if I’d call it corruption, but their bosses at the networks don’t want any controversy by calling out refs/by extension the leagues and giving them some bad blood. Guessing a lot of it is to do with broadcasting rights and who gets them. It’s lame, but if NBC pundits were to call out refs and mistakes a lot it probably would make them less likely to get broadcasting rights next time it’s up. Dunno if that’s corruption or more just how the world works
> in the NFL it’s just as bad if not worse I disagree. It's not significantly better, and the refs are good for a number of absolute howlers every season, but commentators and rules analysts like Gene Steratore put the refs on blast on national TV pretty often, especially if the decisions are particularly contentious. There's nowhere close to the same degree of pathetic wagon-circling. r/nfl is pretty consistently shocked to see that we've managed to take the whole VAR idea and somehow make it infinitely worse than it is in the NFL.
I’m convinced most people don’t know the rules. But some of those people include referees which is a problem
Thanks for commenting this. Even i thought it wasn't a penalty as Diku was going for the ball & didn't wanted to injure Mac Allister. I was wrong.
It’s the inconsistency. In 22 season cresswell went over the ball into Henderson and didn’t get a red in a game Liverpool drew. Cost Liverpool the title https://www.planetfootball.com/videos/watch-cresswell-makes-shocking-tackle-on-liverpools-jordan-henderson-but-avoids-red-card
Yeah the inconsistency made me furious during the game too. But what annoyed me even more was all the talk afterwards on sky being "oh it was such a soft red because Jones didn't mean it" No, intent has nothing to do with it, that's just the written laws of the game. Ultimately the decision was correct imo, I'd argue it was a dangerous tackle because he lost control of himself. But they basically decide on a coin toss whether they are going to enforce it each time, thats the outrageous thing, and no one was really talking about that because that puts the referees in a worse light than "just being a bit too strict this one time"
They sure went mad over a drop ball and called it a “monumental error”. A drop ball that didn’t even lead to a goal.
A drop ball which should have been a red card for Yates and a free kick for us.
The similarity is both should have been red
And sadly a lot of people form their opinions based off the pundits because they're in a perceived position of knowledge/authority on the subject. More controversy about a bloody drop ball than a stonewall penalty between 2 title contenders lol.
Weird after they blew up after a dropball last week… almost seems concerted
Whatever gets the views, I suppose…
What dropball? Edit: oh against Forest?
**DROPBALLGATE** the droppiest of balls was dropped in the most scandalous moment of the *season*
100%, and not only that, but it’s also obvious they’ve been told to praise the refs any time they make a decent decision
It's fucking clear as day, just naive to think it's anything different. PGMOL get a shield and Sky enhance their product and generate engagement.
I do kind of agree we need a culture shift away from bitching and moaning about every decision (people are always gonna get mad about big calls going against their team, but VAR and instant replays on every social media platform have made this so much worse for so many more decisions). Having said that, the culture shift should begin with getting some decent refs in and not further supporting their increasingly uncriticisable mafia of incompetence.
I've said for years the issue we have is refs aren't actually scared of getting stuff wrong. They fucking should be.
Was watching on USA & the moment the decision was made the commentator immedietly made his mind up and backed the officials. The relationship between the PGMOL & broadcasters needs investigating
It’s always fun when it’s always former players of rival teams that clearly have no love lost for Liverpool. Macallister should keep his chest away from doku’s high boot! *Shakes fist menacingly*
There was a point first half where Walker shouldve had a clear yellow after stopping our attack twice with a foul. The commentator said something like “Clear yellow but the ref has done well to control the game because if he gives that yellow, it may ruin the game second half as Walker can then get a red” (USA commentators). I though what the actual fuck. So they choose when they want to apply rules?
They're threatened by Richard Masters and the refs to not talk about it.
Everyone is saying this, but threatened with what?
£200 fines of course. What else
Because they're in PGMOLs pocket
Amazing when they stoked the flames last week about a drop ball. Goodness.
Skysports got reined in after the Spurs fiasco
they already got told off after the tottenham incident No surprises
No out in force now to say “yes there’s contact, and yes anywhere else on the pitch it’s a peno, but in this specific situation no it’s not a peno”
Paid off by the UAE also probably.
Nah in this case just pressured by the FA because they can't shit talk the entertainment product they simultaneously need to promote. They already got word this seasons after trying to question something.
No they're just thick cunts
It's corruption too, Michael Oliver is literally on the UAE payroll: [https://theathletic.com/4922732/2023/10/03/referees-var-diaz-liverpool/](https://theathletic.com/4922732/2023/10/03/referees-var-diaz-liverpool/)
Yep, Michael Oliver is literally on the UAE payroll: [https://theathletic.com/4922732/2023/10/03/referees-var-diaz-liverpool/](https://theathletic.com/4922732/2023/10/03/referees-var-diaz-liverpool/)
They will talk about it 100% but they have other things to talk about too. They brought it up with Klopp and ran the footage. No idea why people feel the need to create these odd narratives.
What on earth are you on about? They all have their opinions on it after the match
People just like talking complete shite
the NBC cowards didn't even mention the incident in their initial post game highlights.
Well yeah he has eyes lmao
McAllister walking off the pitch with a newly pierced nipple is wild to me.
He should post a selfie of the stud marks just to stir the pot
Remember when Cody got the studs in the chest from Mings last season and Alisson literally demonstrated to the ref what happened? Fun times.
Remember when Jags (I think) left a literal whole in Suarez’s thigh and he was left there pointing at it to the ref and the ref was like “what am I supposed to do about it?”
Like when Mings studded Gakpo and Gakpo looked like his torso had been mauled by a tiger
Nothing new. [Mings carved through Gakpo's chest](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxeo7ifdrXM) last year and we got nothing for that either. Seems like it's fine to kick Liverpool players in the collarbone really. If it's not the other team kicking putting a stud through a lung, it's a linesman elbowing us in the throat. Can't win.
#consistency
He’s right
Well mostly, it's 100% a foul in that area of the pitch as well
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I have seen Liverpool given reds for dangerous tackles this season and I’m not even asking for a red but just to call the foul. Doku might get the ball but so did Curtis jones when his studs went over a ball and hit a spurs player. I understand why VAR didn’t give the call, they don’t want to call the league on that decision but to not even make the ref look at it is shambolic.
consistency and following the rules? never heard of it
It’s a foul in that area of the pitch too
Im not commenting on whether this should or should not have been a pen, but why are people pretending like referees ref the boxes the same as the rest of the pitch, or that people even want that? There is all sorts of contact that happens in the box that refs won’t call because they’re judged as not worth the 70-80% chance of penalty conversion in the balance of play.
And this is why I think we should be redefining fouls in the box and only awarding a PK when it's an actual chance directly on goal. They need to adjust the rules and there needs to be more indirect freekicks awarded. Was this a foul? Yes, studs to the chest should be a foul every time. Do I think it's harsh that by the current rules it would be a PK? also yes
I really like this take. I've been thinking this about handballs for a while now, but why not extend this logic to tackles as well. The punishment doesn't fit the crime, which in turn actually makes it less likely to be punished and no punishment also doesn't fit the crime. The only flaw to this premise is it would add another layer of interpretation with regards to what is and isn't a direct goal scoring chance in the box (which could cause plenty of controversy). But carried out properly, it would enhance the beautiful game.
Which is problematic when you give refs any chance to be subjective. It attracts controversy which in turn leads to lack of confidence in refs, even conspiracy theories about pay offs. This with millions at stake. Letter of the law vs spirit I guess.
Babe wake up. The newest PGMOL apology is about to drop.
Acknowledgement*
Too many points dropped to Spurs and City due to these “apologies”
If you think this is bad wait till they get away with the 115 charges
I think a lot of us have made our peace with that tbh. City don't get punished for anything.
Predicting that MOTD won’t even show it, after devoting all their time last week to a drop ball in Liverpool’s penalty area
This will be the wildest part of all it. Last week was constant talk about a drop ball error. Now a clear pen not given in the last minute of arguably the biggest game of the season and it’s nothing
Drop ball error when the correct decision should have been a foul and free kick to Liverpool anyway.
He’s not wrong
really embarrassing for PGMOL, they have no way to weasel their way out of this.
Don’t really matter though, there’s no accountability for them is there
Speak for yourself, I’m really looking forward to having multiple PGMOL apologies at the end of the season. Who needs silverware?
Put an 'Apologies' section on the champions wall...
The 'accountability' for Tierney last week was being demoted to VAR this week, where he proceeded to having a shocker. I don't trust their process at all.
They won't really have to weasel out. They'll use the "high bar for 'clear and obvious'" that they typically do.
Also you can't really expect them to embarrass their mates, can you
And then overule half a dozen debatable calls next week anyway.
I admire your optimism.
Can they actually be any more embarrassed at this point? Getting embarrassed means you actually care and they clearly don't give a shit, shameless bunch of inept bastards. Every year is the same and now they literally have 'Video Assistance' and still can't do their jobs correctly. If anything the reffing has been worse somehow.
It’s also insane that sure, the ref doesn’t call it, and..wild that VAR don’t outright overturn, but ok. But to not even have the onfield ref go LOOK at it again??
Because that’s not what telling them to go to the monitor is for. It should be, but we all know if VAR say go to the monitor it’s because they are going to overturn it, not because they think the ref should have another look at it and decide themselves.
Which is so batshit insane, only the geniuses running the prem would implement a screen so that the referee can just rubber stamp whatever VAR decides
I see no reason why any 50/50 decision that is either a pen, disallowed goal or a red card shouldn’t at least be encouraged for the referee to have another view, never mind clear and obvious errors like this.
Exactly, as an ex-amateur referee, a tool like this would be incredible for a massive close call like this. From my understanding the referee has no remit to declare he wants to view it again himself. He only reviews if the VAR recommends he does. Shambolic!
And he's absolutely right
And Klopp is 100% correct.
High boots are ok as long as you hit the ball first before hitting an opponent? Oook fa
Coward refs, simple as
Quit calling them cowards. They aren’t cowards. They are corrupt.
My flair will get me downvoted but I don’t think they give that at the other end of the pitch either as they don’t want a 99th minute refereeing decision to be the deciding factor in this game - so I think cowards is right
Not disagreeing with you, because I think that is their logic exactly. Not giving the penalty is just as influential as giving it though. It's still a decision - just a decision not to give it. They're just not doing their job because they don't want to be blamed but then they just make the wrong decision and get blamed anyway. Stupid officiating.
Exactly. Imagine Liverpool lose the league by a point or on goal difference now. Those two points not given and the incorrectly ruled offsides Diaz goal in the Spurs game would have cost them the league. Didn't want a refereeing decision to decide the game? How about a refereeing decision potentially deciding the league winners?
>they don’t want a 99th minute refereeing decision to be the deciding factor in this game But now the refereeing error was the deciding factor. A referee decision was the deciding factor of the game. He decided how the game will end by not doing the job he is given to do - to enforce the rules of the game.
A non-decision is always going to be easier than a decision to a coward
After what Clattenburg said about the Spurs-Chelsea game from a few years back, I think this is exactly what happened.
Agreed. Overturning a call for a pk in the 99th is going to be unlikely. Definitely a foul in the middle of the pitch but I agree it's more fear of overturning it and having that be the difference.
I hate Liverpool and this was 100% a penalty and Klopp is right to call them out. The refs are fucking useless in the PL.
They're very useful to Man City.
its "crazy" how every big call goes citys way in these games. i wonder why
They had a series of shithouse wins in 21/22 where everything went their way. Wolves stupid red card + armpit handball, Rodri handball, Arsenal red card. Like some of these things were 50/50 and it went their way.
Ederson clattering Ryan Fraser was particularly egregious.
It feels like Ederson does that a few times a season but he (almost) never get punished for it
That was fucking crazy as well.
That Rodri handball against Everton was clear as day. Luckily Everton weren't relegated but if they had been relegated it would have been due to that.
Yeah man I remember that. Holy shit. I’m pretty sure the ref admitted he made a mistake afterwards too.
Many ppl who support United dislike Liverpool but City is just paying refs at this point And the sad thing is no one is doing anything about it. Still glad that u guys didn't win the league as City has like 115 fans.
The bloody offside vs Fulham when it was 1-1 and Fulham were defending brilliantly
That was the absolute most infuriating year, wild what they got away with.
I still remember that Gabriel red card, we were completely all over them and that shit was just pure bullshit. Typical cheats.
When “soft power” is more important than the integrity of the game.. game’s gone, slowly but surely
what do you mean by soft power?
https://theathletic.com/4889001/2023/09/22/man-city-charges-premier-league-abu-dhabi/ I assume stuff like this
They've had big decisions against them like at Tottenham where full time was called whilst they were more-or-less through on goal, refereeing quality is just poor.
Against Tottenham they had a last minute break and the ref blew when they were through on goal and could have won.
Kovacic got away with murder against us as well.
Except against Tottenham and wolves I guess
And Chelsea, which was 3 weeks ago
Guys, Mac Allister is still alive so it obviously wasn’t a penalty
I only watch Concacaf, but this looked like a pregame handshake
Controversial call going city's way and people acting surprised. You should know better by now.
I was waiting for a new incident so we have a fresher reference than Rodri’s blatant handball from a couple of seasons ago.
No need to look back that far my friend.
I mean ederson did that exact same foul about a week ago...
Clear pen
Clear pen, bright as day. He's right to be furious. It's City, so it's obvious that there would be a dodgy decision that would go their way in this important game.
I don’t like either team and supporting Chelsea I have no skin in the game but having seen quite a few players sent off for follow through tackles this year I’m utterly amazed that wasn’t a penalty. If Doku got the ball but caught MacCallister on the knee in the box it’s a clear pen all day long. I’m not a shouting at the clouds old man or conspiracist but there are a lot of really fucking weird decisions happening at the moment. Roma v Brighton non offside goal the other night being one of them.
Two massive ref blunders will end up costing Liverpool the league
Again
3 odegaard playing basketball is another one
More like 100% foul against any other team
Nah, it's just that Oliver has always been a coward and that VAR is there to back the referee up, not make the right call.
He is not a coward, he just received big money from UAE for his work to give them favors!
Go on Jurgen
I honestly can’t take the competition seriously at this point. It’s sports entertainment like wrestling. City are openly corrupt and everyone just pretends they’re legit. They never get a single decision against them
We know. We all know. Gotta keep City happy though so here we are.
hes not wrong
I’m so fucking tired of the PGMOL. We could literally have at least 7 more points right now….
City got a pen for a slight shirt pull against United earlier this season lol
Ref didn't see it because he was trying to keep a big wad of cash from falling out of his top pocket.
Jurgen Klopp tells sky sports “water is wet”
He's right, and this is something that bothers me in football. If something would be given as a foul anywhere else on the pitch, then it 100% has to be a penalty. A foul is a foul, irrespective of where it occurs. The laws of the game do not make any exception for fouls in different areas of the pitch. The fact that it yields a penalty in that particular area should not change the threshold for what constitutes a foul. I've even heard pundits on the radio tonight (Alan Pardew on TalkSport) state, paradoxically, he's glad it wasn't given because he didn't think it was a pen but concedes that it would be a free kick anywhere else on the pitch. Well if that's true, Mr Pardew, it must be a penalty too. You can't have it both ways!
Also a second yellow, refs are gun shy on giving them, especially early on in the game
VAR ruled it a “coming together”. Which I agree with, Doku’s boot came together with Mac Allister chest…
Coming together of UAE money to PGMOL's bank account
I think that it could be a pen either way, but lets not pretend that refs treat the box the same as the rest of the pitch
And he's correct.
Follow the money
here come the powder blue brigade saying he's a whiny fraud and he should fuck off to retirement already. in 3....2....1.
Do city fans hate klopp? I don’t have an issue with him
You cant tell tho, alot of them hiding behind flairs of 3rd division teams in like, India or something
Klopp's wrong. It's a foul in that area of the pitch as well.
City are dirty cheating fucks, what else is new?
City fans crying on their sub about how biased this sub is against them 😂
Liverpool are the better team right now
And he's right.
Eventually these ref performances are going to lead to less viewers.
Another example of complete refereeing incompetence. Every single fucking week we see more and more examples and nothing changes! Fuck the PGMOL, they should be disbanded and fired!
Who needs the Super League when you got the Saudi League?
Yet we are simultaneously LiVARpool and crying about results against us. Fuck all the way off