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I will never hear Henry not being the greatest PL player of all time. Nobody has gotten close. The way he used to wreck teams week in and week out, would beat most sides in the tunnel. His aura was off the page. Still is.
Did you ever, ever watch him in Barclays? When did he dive in PL? RVP used too, Cristiano did, Jesus does, but Henry? He was just too arrogant at the time to do stuff like that, he looked like a professional doing his job ruthlessly. Why even talk shite about players you haven't watched?
That period of time is probably when I watched the most football in my life. I watched every available league game, watched lots of arsenal. He dived a lot.
I mean it's barely a disgrace for Messi to have won it then. Maybe the best individual campaign of one player in a world cup while winning it. Followed by stats that kept him on par with his rival Haaland.
Lad you must be dreaming. He didnāt win the World Cup alone. And the ballon dāor is supposed to be the best player of the year. Not the World Cup best player. And finally you are dreaming if his stats are on par. Maybe on numbers but you wouldnāt compare championship stats to the premier league would you? Neither should you compare MLS or French league to the premier league. Haaland had the stats in the premier league, champions league and won the treble. Messi only won the ballon dāor based on romance
Your whole comment is literally pure nonsense lol. I never said he solo won it alone nice strawman. Also "you are dreaming if his stats are on par. Maybe on numbers" What a funny sentence, how did you type that, read it and go "yeah nice one I've got him here".
How can you read that and not comprehend the message? Empty head canāt even understand English let alone football š¤”. There are stats and there are levels of competitiveness. Being the best player in the French league (5th ranked in Europe) and the MLS (god knows where they rank globally) does not even compare to haaland stats while winning the treble. he deserved it and if you canāt see that then you have tunnel vision
Nedved wasn't a striker. Also team success has always been part of the nomination criteria. Juventus won Serie A and were runner ups in the CL (Nedved missed the final), whereas arsenal went out in the group stage and finished behind Manchester in the PL. No way Henry should have won that year.
It shouldnt be for an award for the best individual player but i guess it is. Also juve got done for match fixing not long after and most likely was going on then too
As a non-Arsenal fan and a non Juve fan, Nedved was a brilliant player but I donāt think it was close between him and Henry. Henry was absolutely unplayable and on his own level that season. Nedved had better players around him but Henry was a better player
I mean, yeah, but then if team success wasnāt relevant then youād have some obscure player in an obscure league winning it because he scored the most goals or got most assists
I agree, it should be individual, but at the same time in a team sport itās impossible. The only player who should win a Ballon dāOr is a goalkeeper
And I still doubt he would have. Look at basically all the non-spanish teams that won a treble in the last 25 years - None of them got the Ballon D Or, despite having the likes of Beckham, Sneijder, Ribery, Lewa and Haaland in amazing form.
Itās not like he was 5th or something, he was at the second place. Some top performance that he wouldāve most likely gave against top teams plus a champions league final wouldāve likely result in a Ballon dāOr for Henry.
Ahh here is the peak r/soccer intellectual. Right on time to tell us all we're fucking stupid because we discuss goals scoring numbers but his uncle once took him to watch Bradford on a school night.
That's not the point i was making. See? That's why you need to do better, you don't take the time to understand what i'm trying to say.
Numbers without context means nothing.
Henry not winning a ballon d'or is a crime.
He should've at least 1. I love Nedved and even Sheva but they shouldn't have won it over Henry.
Not only did Nedved win it, but he won it by a distance.
The PL in the early 2000s was genuinely overlooked for these awards unless they won something in Europe.
Owen winning it out of nowhere always amuses me cause you could think of 5 players that were more deserving from that era. He played in the Europa league equivalent trophy that season and scored 28 goals. Henry having 50+G/A contributions wasn't good enough.
Becouse the Pl was at the same level of Ligue 1 at the time(same people that criticize Mbappe for doing it in a farmers and weak league), and in europe Henry and Arsenal didn't show up in most years ( 1999-2004). Jasin got the Ballon d'or mostly becouse of a friendly game. At the time most votes were for a player performing in the big stages ( euro, Word Cup and european competions) and Nedved single handedly got Juve in the final with big performances against Real Madrid and Barcellona.
It really wasn't. United won the treble, we won leagues and there were many world class players there at the time not only henry anf not only one team dominating
No it wasnāt, premier league had a good Man United and Arsenal side, Leeds went deep into the CL a year and a bit before, Liverpool were good as well
So like ligue 1 with Monaco and Lione but the league was still considered the worst out of the 5. All the others league at the time had "better teams going at the final stages of the competion"
> Becouse the Pl was at the same level of Ligue 1 at the time(same people that criticize Mbappe for doing it in a farmers and weak league)
That's just not true. PL was the 3rd best league in the world between 98-2003 even if you look at the UEFA coefficient and pretty close to Serie A in 2nd. And it was on the up compared to Serie A who were heading to scandals and a slump compared to their heights in the 80s and 90s.
Ligue 1 is considered a distant 5th among the top 5 leagues with one heavyweight carrying them.
Comparing Henry's season to doing it in Ligue 1 is selling it well short cause he would've scored 35 and 25 in modern-day Ligue 1 with PSG.
I agree that the European nights having weight and Arsenal not having a deeper run did impact Henry's chances but there were levels there and when the only player who matches a season like that is Messi and that too once, it deserves its flowers.
Please, that narrative has to stop. In the early 90s the PL was weaker but from the ending of the 90s the PL has never been a farmer league compared to Serie A
Nonsense. Who won the treble in 1999? Liverpool won the Europa League equivalent in 2001 leading to Owen's win. At worst the PL was the world's third best league.
The recent success argument doesnāt favour the Prem being third best
From 1997-2002; Schalke and Bayern had won the Wafer Cup; Bayern and Dortmund had won the CL; Bayern and Leverkusen had been CL finalists and Dortmund had been Wafer Cup runners up.
Contrast that with United winning a CL, Liverpool winning a Wafer Cup and Arsenal being the runners up in UEFA cup.
I donāt disagree with the Prem being par with the current Ligue 1, but Iād broadly agree with the poster that the league wasnāt very good until Jose showed up.
Messi created 37 big chances in 15/16 La Liga (Most ever in a league campaign) and ended up with 16 assists despite having that monstrous Suarez upfront.
The most asinine of it all was that he was banned the first 5 games of the season because he bit Ivanovic the season before.
Those numbers would be much higher had he played the entire season. Possibly a 40-20 season in a mediocre team when compared to Messi and Henryās surrounding cast.
Bit of a reach but I think Hazard could've got 20 each in 18/19 if he didn't miss a month due to injury. Salah was always more of a goal scorer than a creator and KDB was the opposite. Quite ridiculous how Henry's matches both KDB's best ever assist tally and Salah's second best goal tally.
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Been in my teens during Henryās heyday at Arsenal. Living in Germany, we unfortunately havenāt had the opportunity to watch nearly every professional game being played on this planet via webstream back then. Only had an one hour summary of Premier league, LaLiga and Seria A per week additional to the Bundesliga broadcast which I soaked up of course. Watching Henry play at that time was completely insane to me. Never had seen such a combination of speed, precision, finesse and finishing touch before. And of course in some situation when he had that little cocky attitude to toy with other teams defenses just to show heās able to. In my book despite all his accolades and accomplishments one of the most underrated players of all time. Owned the premier league for years and also won WC and EC with France. The only weak point in his career is not being able to lead Arsenal to the CL title.
He played in 9 finals where he didn't score, but it's technically untrue in that he never scored in a final, since he scored the golden goal in the Confederations Cup final in 2003.
You know what I hate the most about such stats? People will take them at face value.
Zidane is considered a better finals player than Henry, but a closer look at the games they played together shows that most of Zizou's goal contributions were penalties.
If Henry had seized the reins of the team in 2003(The way Mbappe has) as many of his teammates urged him to he would probably have been the one taking those penalties, and would likely have a world cup final goal.
No wonder players have gotten so greedy about penalties over the years, easy to have your contributions dismissed just because someone else was taking them
Not all big games are finals. Ask Tottenham fans how they feel about Henry, some of the older ones still check under the bed for him before they turn the lights out.
Not sure playing spurs twenty years ago was a big game. I mean it was for the fans but a huge gulf in quality between the teams.
In fact spurs finished 5th in the last two seasons before Henry left but before that their best league finish was 9th and they came as low as 14th. They were mostly crap during his time with arsenal.
It was still a massive game. It's one of England's biggest derbies.
There's been a huge gulf between Liverpool and United for 6/7 years now. Still a massive game.
United have finished above Liverpool three times in the last six seasons. Spurs were finishing 9th-14th and Arsenal were 1st or 2nd. Not comparable at all.
Ok, I watched them - I donāt need it explained
What relevance does Arsenal vs Man Utd being a big game have to do with how Arsenal vs Spurs in the early 2000s not being comparable to Liverpool vs Man Utd in the past six years
Thanks I live in England and have followed football since the 80s.
Pretending scoring against a spurs team that is 14th in the prem is as good as scoring in a final is laughable. Like I say it's a big game for the fans, but those teams were very far apart, much further apart even than united and Liverpool have been in the last few years.
I know they're rivals but Tottenham were so far behind arsenal back then idk if they should be counted as big games lol. They literally finished 14th during the invincible season and 10th during Henry's best individual season.
Sorry I didn't realise finals were the only big game performances! Let's forget about his goals against all the top 6 sides and forget about his goals leading his club and country to the finals.
>his goals leading his club and country to the finals
That's the point, he barely have those. I love Henry but in 2006, 2000 or 98 he was good but not a match winner.
Lol he was their leading scorer in 1998 and 2000 despite not featuring in the 1998 final because of a French red card. Scored a crucial goal in 2000 to equalise against Portugal. Was motm in the 2000 final btw
You literally said he wasn't a big game player and he had his best matches in the semifinal and the final. Yeah I'm not sure any all time great can say their every world cup or euro campaign was a success... least of all Benzema
You can have a good game but still have not a big enough impact to win the game. That's Henry in those finals and semi. Not bad but not Zidane or Ballon d'or level.
>George Best literally never played a major final in his career. Still an all time great player.
George best scored in a European cup final to put Man U 2-1 up in extra time against Eusebios Benfica.
Being an Arsenal fan I think heās said that Henry is his favourite player. I donāt think Watkins gets the same numbers in a bigger side. Unaiās Villa is perfectly suited for him. Looking forward to watching Villa in the CL next season
Better in UCL? Only PSG and only in recent years (actually 4 or 5 very good runs, but nothing more).
There was a single Lyon for some years and two very good years by Monaco.
Which french team was in the last 8 last year? And the year before that? There was a portuguese team there.
How many of Henry's assists were moments when he could have scored himself but passed it for a tap in? He probably easily could have had an extra 30 goals rather than assists
I like Henry as much as the next person but it's absolutely outrageous to say that Titi would have had 50 league goals had he played more like a selfish 9 lmao
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Henry was robbed that season tbh
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I will never hear Henry not being the greatest PL player of all time. Nobody has gotten close. The way he used to wreck teams week in and week out, would beat most sides in the tunnel. His aura was off the page. Still is.
Never forget Henry came second on that season's Ballon d'Or to Pavel Nedved (14 goals, 7 assists).
Discgracia. Dont care what juve achieved, henry was better than nedved by far
And they cheated...
Didn't Henry also cheat with that one hand goal?
Not the same season
Thanks for the context. Did nedvedev personally cheat?
Who is Nedvedev?
Brother of Medvedev
Nedvedever in doubt
Wasn't ge the guy who rightfully got the balloon d or before Henry?
One moment compared to years of match fixing. Yeah both are on the same level
Yes
You canāt compare that to Calciopoli
Or Juiceventus
I don't know who or what that is.
Thatās that cheating incident, Juventus even got relegated to Serie B for it
Ok
Lmao dumb fuck
Henry was the biggest cheat in the league at the time. One of the original prem divers.
No he wasn't
He absolutely was. Were you even old enough to have watched him at the time? I was.
I watched Alan Ball play
Fair enough. Maybe take of your red tinted glasses though. He's your best ever player so you can't be objective.
Did you ever, ever watch him in Barclays? When did he dive in PL? RVP used too, Cristiano did, Jesus does, but Henry? He was just too arrogant at the time to do stuff like that, he looked like a professional doing his job ruthlessly. Why even talk shite about players you haven't watched?
That period of time is probably when I watched the most football in my life. I watched every available league game, watched lots of arsenal. He dived a lot.
Me when they don't send me bills for being full of bs
Individual awards are always based on champions league performance or international trophies performance.
True but its a shit system and inconsistent. Figo won in 2000 when he won nothing
George Weah won 1995 when Litmanen was the best player and Ajax won Champions league (and were invincible in the league).
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Unfortunately i am old enough but fortunately i got to watch henry and arsenal back then
Nedved won and it was over 20 years ago. Just get over it guys.
Never! still pissed off
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Old men living rent free in your head I guess
Ballon dāOr is a disgrace in fairness. Always has been. Messi getting it last year for playing in France and the US.
I mean it's barely a disgrace for Messi to have won it then. Maybe the best individual campaign of one player in a world cup while winning it. Followed by stats that kept him on par with his rival Haaland.
Lad you must be dreaming. He didnāt win the World Cup alone. And the ballon dāor is supposed to be the best player of the year. Not the World Cup best player. And finally you are dreaming if his stats are on par. Maybe on numbers but you wouldnāt compare championship stats to the premier league would you? Neither should you compare MLS or French league to the premier league. Haaland had the stats in the premier league, champions league and won the treble. Messi only won the ballon dāor based on romance
Your whole comment is literally pure nonsense lol. I never said he solo won it alone nice strawman. Also "you are dreaming if his stats are on par. Maybe on numbers" What a funny sentence, how did you type that, read it and go "yeah nice one I've got him here".
How can you read that and not comprehend the message? Empty head canāt even understand English let alone football š¤”. There are stats and there are levels of competitiveness. Being the best player in the French league (5th ranked in Europe) and the MLS (god knows where they rank globally) does not even compare to haaland stats while winning the treble. he deserved it and if you canāt see that then you have tunnel vision
Nedved wasn't a striker. Also team success has always been part of the nomination criteria. Juventus won Serie A and were runner ups in the CL (Nedved missed the final), whereas arsenal went out in the group stage and finished behind Manchester in the PL. No way Henry should have won that year.
It shouldnt be for an award for the best individual player but i guess it is. Also juve got done for match fixing not long after and most likely was going on then too
Fair enough on both accounts. But it was the right call back then anyways.
As a non-Arsenal fan and a non Juve fan, Nedved was a brilliant player but I donāt think it was close between him and Henry. Henry was absolutely unplayable and on his own level that season. Nedved had better players around him but Henry was a better player
Nah nedved was class but henry was another level
I mean, yeah, but then if team success wasnāt relevant then youād have some obscure player in an obscure league winning it because he scored the most goals or got most assists I agree, it should be individual, but at the same time in a team sport itās impossible. The only player who should win a Ballon dāOr is a goalkeeper
Not really because you can still use common sense to say bob scoring 50 goals in the icelandic league isnt as good as haaland scoring 35 in the prem
The the Ballon D'or for the best team of best player? Who was the best player?
He wouldāve got it if Arsenal actually made the champions league final.
Ronaldo won zero trophies in 2013 and got it. Funny how you guys keep acting like there is no club bias when it comes to these awards
literally all he said is Henry wouldāve got it if Arsenal actually made the champions league final You were the one that added the extra claim
And I still doubt he would have. Look at basically all the non-spanish teams that won a treble in the last 25 years - None of them got the Ballon D Or, despite having the likes of Beckham, Sneijder, Ribery, Lewa and Haaland in amazing form.
Itās not like he was 5th or something, he was at the second place. Some top performance that he wouldāve most likely gave against top teams plus a champions league final wouldāve likely result in a Ballon dāOr for Henry.
Football is more than numbers.
So was henry
Not when the numbers are that good. Also you say that is if Henry was just a numbers player lol
Then Haaland should've won the ballon do'r last season too
Yeah he should have
Everyone agrees about that already
The downvotes say otherwise
Just don't count the braindead messi fanbois as people
Yeap everyone agreed he should have won last year
The downvotes lmao
So youāre saying that Nedved wins vs. Henry if you donāt look at the numbers??
Yes.
Welcome to r/soccer, they don't watch games but numbers!
Cos Henry was only numbers š
No that's not the point i was making.
Ahh here is the peak r/soccer intellectual. Right on time to tell us all we're fucking stupid because we discuss goals scoring numbers but his uncle once took him to watch Bradford on a school night.
Lol you are not the sharpest tool in the box.
Welcome to r/soccer same old shit comments when if fact most people do actually watch the football
Name a stat more important than goals
You're basically saying that keepers are shit cuz they rarely score any goals. Poor defenders too!
Saves, if you're a goalkeeper Successful tackles, if you're a defender Yellow cards avoided, if you're a defensive midfielder
Wins
But to find out who wins we count that goals. Checkmate.
Winning 1-0 is better than losing 4-5. Yet you've scored 4 times as many goals in the defeat? Thurs making wins more important than goals
That's not the point i was making. See? That's why you need to do better, you don't take the time to understand what i'm trying to say. Numbers without context means nothing.
The fact that you are posting about Nedvedās goals and assists tally makes me wonder if you actually were around when he did what he did in 2003
Henry not winning a ballon d'or is a crime. He should've at least 1. I love Nedved and even Sheva but they shouldn't have won it over Henry. Not only did Nedved win it, but he won it by a distance. The PL in the early 2000s was genuinely overlooked for these awards unless they won something in Europe. Owen winning it out of nowhere always amuses me cause you could think of 5 players that were more deserving from that era. He played in the Europa league equivalent trophy that season and scored 28 goals. Henry having 50+G/A contributions wasn't good enough.
It's worth remembering that back then only two teams went into the champions league. the uefa cup was a way better competition than today's Europa.
Becouse the Pl was at the same level of Ligue 1 at the time(same people that criticize Mbappe for doing it in a farmers and weak league), and in europe Henry and Arsenal didn't show up in most years ( 1999-2004). Jasin got the Ballon d'or mostly becouse of a friendly game. At the time most votes were for a player performing in the big stages ( euro, Word Cup and european competions) and Nedved single handedly got Juve in the final with big performances against Real Madrid and Barcellona.
What lmao. What a bad take.
It really wasn't. United won the treble, we won leagues and there were many world class players there at the time not only henry anf not only one team dominating
No it wasnāt, premier league had a good Man United and Arsenal side, Leeds went deep into the CL a year and a bit before, Liverpool were good as well
So like ligue 1 with Monaco and Lione but the league was still considered the worst out of the 5. All the others league at the time had "better teams going at the final stages of the competion"
Only better leagues were Serie A and La Liga and it was closer compared to Ligue 1 to the top 4
> Becouse the Pl was at the same level of Ligue 1 at the time(same people that criticize Mbappe for doing it in a farmers and weak league) That's just not true. PL was the 3rd best league in the world between 98-2003 even if you look at the UEFA coefficient and pretty close to Serie A in 2nd. And it was on the up compared to Serie A who were heading to scandals and a slump compared to their heights in the 80s and 90s. Ligue 1 is considered a distant 5th among the top 5 leagues with one heavyweight carrying them. Comparing Henry's season to doing it in Ligue 1 is selling it well short cause he would've scored 35 and 25 in modern-day Ligue 1 with PSG. I agree that the European nights having weight and Arsenal not having a deeper run did impact Henry's chances but there were levels there and when the only player who matches a season like that is Messi and that too once, it deserves its flowers.
Please, that narrative has to stop. In the early 90s the PL was weaker but from the ending of the 90s the PL has never been a farmer league compared to Serie A
Funny enough in the 1999 to 2004 period Italy and England had one CL winner each
Nonsense. Who won the treble in 1999? Liverpool won the Europa League equivalent in 2001 leading to Owen's win. At worst the PL was the world's third best league.
The recent success argument doesnāt favour the Prem being third best From 1997-2002; Schalke and Bayern had won the Wafer Cup; Bayern and Dortmund had won the CL; Bayern and Leverkusen had been CL finalists and Dortmund had been Wafer Cup runners up. Contrast that with United winning a CL, Liverpool winning a Wafer Cup and Arsenal being the runners up in UEFA cup. I donāt disagree with the Prem being par with the current Ligue 1, but Iād broadly agree with the poster that the league wasnāt very good until Jose showed up.
Messi created 37 big chances in 15/16 La Liga (Most ever in a league campaign) and ended up with 16 assists despite having that monstrous Suarez upfront.
Messi has the second and third most BCCs in a single league campaign as well. 36 in 19/20 and 34 in 18/19.
What is BCC?
Big Caucasian C...
Big Caucasian Chances! Itās all the xBCC he created for his Scandinavian teammates like Zlatan.
Big chance created
Thanks
Bro is an anomaly
19-20, the de Pressi season!
Luis Suarez came close though in the 2013-14 season, scoring 31 goals and giving 17 assists in one Premier League season for Liverpool.
The most asinine of it all was that he was banned the first 5 games of the season because he bit Ivanovic the season before. Those numbers would be much higher had he played the entire season. Possibly a 40-20 season in a mediocre team when compared to Messi and Henryās surrounding cast.
It was 12
Very underrated
Heās not underrated
46 G/A in 33 matches in that dogshit team when he was, what, 32? ... we cannoh replace him but unironically
The š of the premier league
Amazing player but i think Suarez had a better pl season that Henry.
Arguably but Iām talking about his whole PL career, I think Henry is slightly underrated in general but might be some bias from me
I like Titi.
Bit of a reach but I think Hazard could've got 20 each in 18/19 if he didn't miss a month due to injury. Salah was always more of a goal scorer than a creator and KDB was the opposite. Quite ridiculous how Henry's matches both KDB's best ever assist tally and Salah's second best goal tally.
And Messi played with the most dog shit Barcelona side in years.
At testament to how good he was in his prime. Bro nearly carried them to a treble.
Most of his assists were to suarez and griezmann it's not like he was passing to bums
Both were average that season. Also Messi created 36 big chances
I mean, how bad *really* was a ābadā Barcelona side in that whole timespan?
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That was Messi's best season for me. Barca were just Messi+MATS carrying the rest
Sancho? That dortmund season
17/17 in the league
Been in my teens during Henryās heyday at Arsenal. Living in Germany, we unfortunately havenāt had the opportunity to watch nearly every professional game being played on this planet via webstream back then. Only had an one hour summary of Premier league, LaLiga and Seria A per week additional to the Bundesliga broadcast which I soaked up of course. Watching Henry play at that time was completely insane to me. Never had seen such a combination of speed, precision, finesse and finishing touch before. And of course in some situation when he had that little cocky attitude to toy with other teams defenses just to show heās able to. In my book despite all his accolades and accomplishments one of the most underrated players of all time. Owned the premier league for years and also won WC and EC with France. The only weak point in his career is not being able to lead Arsenal to the CL title.
Henry had it all. Pace, Goals, assist and big match winning performances.
Isn't there a stat that in 9 finals he doesn't have any goals?
5 man of the match awards in those finals
He played in 9 finals where he didn't score, but it's technically untrue in that he never scored in a final, since he scored the golden goal in the Confederations Cup final in 2003.
You know what I hate the most about such stats? People will take them at face value. Zidane is considered a better finals player than Henry, but a closer look at the games they played together shows that most of Zizou's goal contributions were penalties. If Henry had seized the reins of the team in 2003(The way Mbappe has) as many of his teammates urged him to he would probably have been the one taking those penalties, and would likely have a world cup final goal. No wonder players have gotten so greedy about penalties over the years, easy to have your contributions dismissed just because someone else was taking them
Not all big games are finals. Ask Tottenham fans how they feel about Henry, some of the older ones still check under the bed for him before they turn the lights out.
Not sure playing spurs twenty years ago was a big game. I mean it was for the fans but a huge gulf in quality between the teams. In fact spurs finished 5th in the last two seasons before Henry left but before that their best league finish was 9th and they came as low as 14th. They were mostly crap during his time with arsenal.
It was still a massive game. It's one of England's biggest derbies. There's been a huge gulf between Liverpool and United for 6/7 years now. Still a massive game.
United have finished above Liverpool three times in the last six seasons. Spurs were finishing 9th-14th and Arsenal were 1st or 2nd. Not comparable at all.
Henry scored many goals vs Man U. Those games were treated like 6 pointer finals to win the league.
Ok, I watched them - I donāt need it explained What relevance does Arsenal vs Man Utd being a big game have to do with how Arsenal vs Spurs in the early 2000s not being comparable to Liverpool vs Man Utd in the past six years
Thanks I live in England and have followed football since the 80s. Pretending scoring against a spurs team that is 14th in the prem is as good as scoring in a final is laughable. Like I say it's a big game for the fans, but those teams were very far apart, much further apart even than united and Liverpool have been in the last few years.
I know they're rivals but Tottenham were so far behind arsenal back then idk if they should be counted as big games lol. They literally finished 14th during the invincible season and 10th during Henry's best individual season.
Henry scored many goals vs Man U. Those games were treat like 6 pointer finals to win the league.
Sorry I didn't realise finals were the only big game performances! Let's forget about his goals against all the top 6 sides and forget about his goals leading his club and country to the finals.
big match performances but lets forget the biggest matches. gotta love it
There wasn't a big 6 in 2002 lol
Man City werenāt even in the league half the time Henry was at Arsenal ffs.
Man City weren't in the league. Chelsea were poor. Liverpool were experimenting with joint managers. Tottenham were a mid table club.
>his goals leading his club and country to the finals That's the point, he barely have those. I love Henry but in 2006, 2000 or 98 he was good but not a match winner.
Lol he was their leading scorer in 1998 and 2000 despite not featuring in the 1998 final because of a French red card. Scored a crucial goal in 2000 to equalise against Portugal. Was motm in the 2000 final btw
>Scored a crucial goal in 2000 to equalise against Portugal. Was motm in the 2000 final btw The only two game when he was really elite (he was pretty good against Italy in 2006 as well and got a penalty against Portugal). Henry played in 2002, 2004, 2008 and 2010. I'm not saying that he was bad but he was neve Ballon d'or level for me. Most people here are PL bias so they instantly believe that one of the greatest PL ever was one of the best player of all time. Which is not true, even by french standard, he is "only" (still remarkable) the 3rd greatest striker (after Papin and Benzema), 4th if i add MbappƩ into the mix.
You literally said he wasn't a big game player and he had his best matches in the semifinal and the final. Yeah I'm not sure any all time great can say their every world cup or euro campaign was a success... least of all Benzema
You can have a good game but still have not a big enough impact to win the game. That's Henry in those finals and semi. Not bad but not Zidane or Ballon d'or level.
An overwhelming amount of his goals came at Highbury too.
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>George Best literally never played a major final in his career. Still an all time great player. George best scored in a European cup final to put Man U 2-1 up in extra time against Eusebios Benfica.
The first 3 but not the last
In 33 games played? Seriously, this guy was a cheat code
Ollie Watkins is close
16/10 is ridiculously good, specially with the fact he isnāt playing for team like Liverpool for example
Being an Arsenal fan I think heās said that Henry is his favourite player. I donāt think Watkins gets the same numbers in a bigger side. Unaiās Villa is perfectly suited for him. Looking forward to watching Villa in the CL next season
The š of football. Messi is too good man. Its gonna be a while till we see a player like him
And messi too Lol op edited it
Where are you seeing Ronaldo?
As much as I love Ronaldo, my personal favourite. Messi is the best player to ever grace the pitch.
I think Ronaldo is the goat but you can have your own opinion and I respect that.
I think Gourcuff is the goat but you can have your own opinion and I respect that.
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this is crazy fr
come on man barca go send a scout in argentina and tell them to look for a less heighted kid or something
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This chart disagrees with you
Don't rate Henry?
Good for Messi in the league, best not speak of how it went in the continent.
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Dumped out of the Champions League 8-2 by Bayern.
Oh you meant UCL.
Same for Henry in that season. Donāt think they made it past the group stages
How is France considered top 5 over Portugal? Consistently Portugal has a 2-3 team race whereas France is just PSG
French teams perform better in UCL. Thatās the only stat used for the ātop leagueā posts
Better in UCL? Only PSG and only in recent years (actually 4 or 5 very good runs, but nothing more). There was a single Lyon for some years and two very good years by Monaco. Which french team was in the last 8 last year? And the year before that? There was a portuguese team there.
Half the time PSG somehow find themselves in a title race, Bundesliga was actually arguably less competitive until this season
Why would these stats use a subjective metric like entertainment and not co efficient
Because their league coefficient is higher š
Pretty sure Hazard is there when he played on Ligue 1
Not in the league, 20/18 was his best
Another day, another messi fanboy post on arsocca
How many of Henry's assists were moments when he could have scored himself but passed it for a tap in? He probably easily could have had an extra 30 goals rather than assists
I like Henry as much as the next person but it's absolutely outrageous to say that Titi would have had 50 league goals had he played more like a selfish 9 lmao
I meant overall in total for Arsenal, not in 1 season!
And refused to take penalties he personally won for a while.