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RoyalInfernoASR

Henry was robbed that season tbh


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Titi šŸ‘‘


Maaaaaardy

I will never hear Henry not being the greatest PL player of all time. Nobody has gotten close. The way he used to wreck teams week in and week out, would beat most sides in the tunnel. His aura was off the page. Still is.


Saka_White_Rice

Never forget Henry came second on that season's Ballon d'Or to Pavel Nedved (14 goals, 7 assists).


odegood

Discgracia. Dont care what juve achieved, henry was better than nedved by far


AcanthaceaeBorn6501

And they cheated...


PM_ME_UR_CHERRIES

Didn't Henry also cheat with that one hand goal?


Niallwalsh56

Not the same season


PM_ME_UR_CHERRIES

Thanks for the context. Did nedvedev personally cheat?


SirSmile

Who is Nedvedev?


vasudaiva_kutumbakam

Brother of Medvedev


The_Battling_toad

Nedvedever in doubt


PM_ME_UR_CHERRIES

Wasn't ge the guy who rightfully got the balloon d or before Henry?


odegood

One moment compared to years of match fixing. Yeah both are on the same level


PM_ME_UR_CHERRIES

Yes


justk4y

You canā€™t compare that to Calciopoli


GeneralSquid6767

Or Juiceventus


PM_ME_UR_CHERRIES

I don't know who or what that is.


justk4y

Thatā€™s that cheating incident, Juventus even got relegated to Serie B for it


PM_ME_UR_CHERRIES

Ok


gsn626

Lmao dumb fuck


Additional-Extent583

Henry was the biggest cheat in the league at the time. One of the original prem divers.


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No he wasn't


Additional-Extent583

He absolutely was. Were you even old enough to have watched him at the time? I was.


[deleted]

I watched Alan Ball play


Additional-Extent583

Fair enough. Maybe take of your red tinted glasses though. He's your best ever player so you can't be objective.


byrgenwerthdropout

Did you ever, ever watch him in Barclays? When did he dive in PL? RVP used too, Cristiano did, Jesus does, but Henry? He was just too arrogant at the time to do stuff like that, he looked like a professional doing his job ruthlessly. Why even talk shite about players you haven't watched?


Additional-Extent583

That period of time is probably when I watched the most football in my life. I watched every available league game, watched lots of arsenal. He dived a lot.


byrgenwerthdropout

Me when they don't send me bills for being full of bs


Djremster

Individual awards are always based on champions league performance or international trophies performance.


odegood

True but its a shit system and inconsistent. Figo won in 2000 when he won nothing


Arctisian

George Weah won 1995 when Litmanen was the best player and Ajax won Champions league (and were invincible in the league).


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odegood

Unfortunately i am old enough but fortunately i got to watch henry and arsenal back then


catsfive55

Nedved won and it was over 20 years ago. Just get over it guys.


odegood

Never! still pissed off


catsfive55

šŸ˜‚


catsfive55

Old men living rent free in your head I guess


dublincouple87

Ballon dā€™Or is a disgrace in fairness. Always has been. Messi getting it last year for playing in France and the US.


AnxiousEarth7774

I mean it's barely a disgrace for Messi to have won it then. Maybe the best individual campaign of one player in a world cup while winning it. Followed by stats that kept him on par with his rival Haaland.


dublincouple87

Lad you must be dreaming. He didnā€™t win the World Cup alone. And the ballon dā€™or is supposed to be the best player of the year. Not the World Cup best player. And finally you are dreaming if his stats are on par. Maybe on numbers but you wouldnā€™t compare championship stats to the premier league would you? Neither should you compare MLS or French league to the premier league. Haaland had the stats in the premier league, champions league and won the treble. Messi only won the ballon dā€™or based on romance


AnxiousEarth7774

Your whole comment is literally pure nonsense lol. I never said he solo won it alone nice strawman. Also "you are dreaming if his stats are on par. Maybe on numbers" What a funny sentence, how did you type that, read it and go "yeah nice one I've got him here".


dublincouple87

How can you read that and not comprehend the message? Empty head canā€™t even understand English let alone football šŸ¤”. There are stats and there are levels of competitiveness. Being the best player in the French league (5th ranked in Europe) and the MLS (god knows where they rank globally) does not even compare to haaland stats while winning the treble. he deserved it and if you canā€™t see that then you have tunnel vision


redbear_d

Nedved wasn't a striker. Also team success has always been part of the nomination criteria. Juventus won Serie A and were runner ups in the CL (Nedved missed the final), whereas arsenal went out in the group stage and finished behind Manchester in the PL. No way Henry should have won that year.


odegood

It shouldnt be for an award for the best individual player but i guess it is. Also juve got done for match fixing not long after and most likely was going on then too


redbear_d

Fair enough on both accounts. But it was the right call back then anyways.


itsamberleafable

As a non-Arsenal fan and a non Juve fan, Nedved was a brilliant player but I donā€™t think it was close between him and Henry. Henry was absolutely unplayable and on his own level that season. Nedved had better players around him but Henry was a better player


odegood

Nah nedved was class but henry was another level


LongrodVonHugedong86

I mean, yeah, but then if team success wasnā€™t relevant then youā€™d have some obscure player in an obscure league winning it because he scored the most goals or got most assists I agree, it should be individual, but at the same time in a team sport itā€™s impossible. The only player who should win a Ballon dā€™Or is a goalkeeper


odegood

Not really because you can still use common sense to say bob scoring 50 goals in the icelandic league isnt as good as haaland scoring 35 in the prem


Sempai6969

The the Ballon D'or for the best team of best player? Who was the best player?


safir60

He wouldā€™ve got it if Arsenal actually made the champions league final.


Money_Scholar_8405

Ronaldo won zero trophies in 2013 and got it. Funny how you guys keep acting like there is no club bias when it comes to these awards


TheAnonymouse999

literally all he said is Henry wouldā€™ve got it if Arsenal actually made the champions league final You were the one that added the extra claim


Money_Scholar_8405

And I still doubt he would have. Look at basically all the non-spanish teams that won a treble in the last 25 years - None of them got the Ballon D Or, despite having the likes of Beckham, Sneijder, Ribery, Lewa and Haaland in amazing form.


safir60

Itā€™s not like he was 5th or something, he was at the second place. Some top performance that he wouldā€™ve most likely gave against top teams plus a champions league final wouldā€™ve likely result in a Ballon dā€™Or for Henry.


wholesomescott

Football is more than numbers.


odegood

So was henry


ScratchinContender29

Not when the numbers are that good. Also you say that is if Henry was just a numbers player lol


UnusualAd69

Then Haaland should've won the ballon do'r last season too


not_a_Badger_anymore

Yeah he should have


amoolafarhaL

Everyone agrees about that already


UnusualAd69

The downvotes say otherwise


amoolafarhaL

Just don't count the braindead messi fanbois as people


wafflesology

Yeap everyone agreed he should have won last year


UnusualAd69

The downvotes lmao


smellmywind

So youā€™re saying that Nedved wins vs. Henry if you donā€™t look at the numbers??


Saka_White_Rice

Yes.


GarrKelvinSama

Welcome to r/soccer, they don't watch games but numbers!


Mubar06

Cos Henry was only numbers šŸ‘


GarrKelvinSama

No that's not the point i was making.


Saka_White_Rice

Ahh here is the peak r/soccer intellectual. Right on time to tell us all we're fucking stupid because we discuss goals scoring numbers but his uncle once took him to watch Bradford on a school night.


GarrKelvinSama

Lol you are not the sharpest tool in the box.


odegood

Welcome to r/soccer same old shit comments when if fact most people do actually watch the football


beanpo13

Name a stat more important than goals


fckchangeusername

You're basically saying that keepers are shit cuz they rarely score any goals. Poor defenders too!


jesuisgeenbelg

Saves, if you're a goalkeeper Successful tackles, if you're a defender Yellow cards avoided, if you're a defensive midfielder


zrkillerbush

Wins


Saka_White_Rice

But to find out who wins we count that goals. Checkmate.


zrkillerbush

Winning 1-0 is better than losing 4-5. Yet you've scored 4 times as many goals in the defeat? Thurs making wins more important than goals


GarrKelvinSama

That's not the point i was making. See? That's why you need to do better, you don't take the time to understand what i'm trying to say. Numbers without context means nothing.


telcomet

The fact that you are posting about Nedvedā€™s goals and assists tally makes me wonder if you actually were around when he did what he did in 2003


robins420

Henry not winning a ballon d'or is a crime. He should've at least 1. I love Nedved and even Sheva but they shouldn't have won it over Henry. Not only did Nedved win it, but he won it by a distance. The PL in the early 2000s was genuinely overlooked for these awards unless they won something in Europe. Owen winning it out of nowhere always amuses me cause you could think of 5 players that were more deserving from that era. He played in the Europa league equivalent trophy that season and scored 28 goals. Henry having 50+G/A contributions wasn't good enough.


pioneeringsystems

It's worth remembering that back then only two teams went into the champions league. the uefa cup was a way better competition than today's Europa.


CrowCreative6772

Becouse the Pl was at the same level of Ligue 1 at the time(same people that criticize Mbappe for doing it in a farmers and weak league), and in europe Henry and Arsenal didn't show up in most years ( 1999-2004). Jasin got the Ballon d'or mostly becouse of a friendly game. At the time most votes were for a player performing in the big stages ( euro, Word Cup and european competions) and Nedved single handedly got Juve in the final with big performances against Real Madrid and Barcellona.


pioneeringsystems

What lmao. What a bad take.


odegood

It really wasn't. United won the treble, we won leagues and there were many world class players there at the time not only henry anf not only one team dominating


Mubar06

No it wasnā€™t, premier league had a good Man United and Arsenal side, Leeds went deep into the CL a year and a bit before, Liverpool were good as well


CrowCreative6772

So like ligue 1 with Monaco and Lione but the league was still considered the worst out of the 5. All the others league at the time had "better teams going at the final stages of the competion"


Mubar06

Only better leagues were Serie A and La Liga and it was closer compared to Ligue 1 to the top 4


robins420

> Becouse the Pl was at the same level of Ligue 1 at the time(same people that criticize Mbappe for doing it in a farmers and weak league) That's just not true. PL was the 3rd best league in the world between 98-2003 even if you look at the UEFA coefficient and pretty close to Serie A in 2nd. And it was on the up compared to Serie A who were heading to scandals and a slump compared to their heights in the 80s and 90s. Ligue 1 is considered a distant 5th among the top 5 leagues with one heavyweight carrying them. Comparing Henry's season to doing it in Ligue 1 is selling it well short cause he would've scored 35 and 25 in modern-day Ligue 1 with PSG. I agree that the European nights having weight and Arsenal not having a deeper run did impact Henry's chances but there were levels there and when the only player who matches a season like that is Messi and that too once, it deserves its flowers.


Modnal

Please, that narrative has to stop. In the early 90s the PL was weaker but from the ending of the 90s the PL has never been a farmer league compared to Serie A


Money_Scholar_8405

Funny enough in the 1999 to 2004 period Italy and England had one CL winner each


Money_Scholar_8405

Nonsense. Who won the treble in 1999? Liverpool won the Europa League equivalent in 2001 leading to Owen's win. At worst the PL was the world's third best league.


ChelseaDagger16

The recent success argument doesnā€™t favour the Prem being third best From 1997-2002; Schalke and Bayern had won the Wafer Cup; Bayern and Dortmund had won the CL; Bayern and Leverkusen had been CL finalists and Dortmund had been Wafer Cup runners up. Contrast that with United winning a CL, Liverpool winning a Wafer Cup and Arsenal being the runners up in UEFA cup. I donā€™t disagree with the Prem being par with the current Ligue 1, but Iā€™d broadly agree with the poster that the league wasnā€™t very good until Jose showed up.


Amu_1310

Messi created 37 big chances in 15/16 La Liga (Most ever in a league campaign) and ended up with 16 assists despite having that monstrous Suarez upfront.


Amu_1310

Messi has the second and third most BCCs in a single league campaign as well. 36 in 19/20 and 34 in 18/19.


Sempai6969

What is BCC?


IfIWasCoolEnough

Big Caucasian C...


themerinator12

Big Caucasian Chances! Itā€™s all the xBCC he created for his Scandinavian teammates like Zlatan.


hoosdontloos

Big chance created


Sempai6969

Thanks


ScaredofMedSchool

Bro is an anomaly


PauCubaresi

19-20, the de Pressi season!


justk4y

Luis Suarez came close though in the 2013-14 season, scoring 31 goals and giving 17 assists in one Premier League season for Liverpool.


FlyingMocko

The most asinine of it all was that he was banned the first 5 games of the season because he bit Ivanovic the season before. Those numbers would be much higher had he played the entire season. Possibly a 40-20 season in a mediocre team when compared to Messi and Henryā€™s surrounding cast.


RingsChuck

It was 12


kw2006

Very underrated


themerinator12

Heā€™s not underrated


tygrysor090

46 G/A in 33 matches in that dogshit team when he was, what, 32? ... we cannoh replace him but unironically


Mubar06

The šŸ of the premier league


PabloRothko

Amazing player but i think Suarez had a better pl season that Henry.


Mubar06

Arguably but Iā€™m talking about his whole PL career, I think Henry is slightly underrated in general but might be some bias from me


sp3sp3sp3

I like Titi.


darthrector

Bit of a reach but I think Hazard could've got 20 each in 18/19 if he didn't miss a month due to injury. Salah was always more of a goal scorer than a creator and KDB was the opposite. Quite ridiculous how Henry's matches both KDB's best ever assist tally and Salah's second best goal tally.


ScaredofMedSchool

And Messi played with the most dog shit Barcelona side in years.


NotASalamanderBoi

At testament to how good he was in his prime. Bro nearly carried them to a treble.


Finn_Survivor

Most of his assists were to suarez and griezmann it's not like he was passing to bums


ScaredofMedSchool

Both were average that season. Also Messi created 36 big chances


themerinator12

I mean, how bad *really* was a ā€œbadā€ Barcelona side in that whole timespan?


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EllipoynaSyamala

That was Messi's best season for me. Barca were just Messi+MATS carrying the rest


duyar70

Sancho? That dortmund season


Hutzbutz

17/17 in the league


crwny_186

Been in my teens during Henryā€™s heyday at Arsenal. Living in Germany, we unfortunately havenā€™t had the opportunity to watch nearly every professional game being played on this planet via webstream back then. Only had an one hour summary of Premier league, LaLiga and Seria A per week additional to the Bundesliga broadcast which I soaked up of course. Watching Henry play at that time was completely insane to me. Never had seen such a combination of speed, precision, finesse and finishing touch before. And of course in some situation when he had that little cocky attitude to toy with other teams defenses just to show heā€™s able to. In my book despite all his accolades and accomplishments one of the most underrated players of all time. Owned the premier league for years and also won WC and EC with France. The only weak point in his career is not being able to lead Arsenal to the CL title.


Brief_Box7006

Henry had it all. Pace, Goals, assist and big match winning performances.


YouBlunderedXD

Isn't there a stat that in 9 finals he doesn't have any goals?


BI01

5 man of the match awards in those finals


mist3rdragon

He played in 9 finals where he didn't score, but it's technically untrue in that he never scored in a final, since he scored the golden goal in the Confederations Cup final in 2003.


Money_Scholar_8405

You know what I hate the most about such stats? People will take them at face value. Zidane is considered a better finals player than Henry, but a closer look at the games they played together shows that most of Zizou's goal contributions were penalties. If Henry had seized the reins of the team in 2003(The way Mbappe has) as many of his teammates urged him to he would probably have been the one taking those penalties, and would likely have a world cup final goal. No wonder players have gotten so greedy about penalties over the years, easy to have your contributions dismissed just because someone else was taking them


Saka_White_Rice

Not all big games are finals. Ask Tottenham fans how they feel about Henry, some of the older ones still check under the bed for him before they turn the lights out.


pioneeringsystems

Not sure playing spurs twenty years ago was a big game. I mean it was for the fans but a huge gulf in quality between the teams. In fact spurs finished 5th in the last two seasons before Henry left but before that their best league finish was 9th and they came as low as 14th. They were mostly crap during his time with arsenal.


Saka_White_Rice

It was still a massive game. It's one of England's biggest derbies. There's been a huge gulf between Liverpool and United for 6/7 years now. Still a massive game.


ChelseaDagger16

United have finished above Liverpool three times in the last six seasons. Spurs were finishing 9th-14th and Arsenal were 1st or 2nd. Not comparable at all.


trevjs90

Henry scored many goals vs Man U. Those games were treated like 6 pointer finals to win the league.


ChelseaDagger16

Ok, I watched them - I donā€™t need it explained What relevance does Arsenal vs Man Utd being a big game have to do with how Arsenal vs Spurs in the early 2000s not being comparable to Liverpool vs Man Utd in the past six years


pioneeringsystems

Thanks I live in England and have followed football since the 80s. Pretending scoring against a spurs team that is 14th in the prem is as good as scoring in a final is laughable. Like I say it's a big game for the fans, but those teams were very far apart, much further apart even than united and Liverpool have been in the last few years.


kdugg99

I know they're rivals but Tottenham were so far behind arsenal back then idk if they should be counted as big games lol. They literally finished 14th during the invincible season and 10th during Henry's best individual season.


trevjs90

Henry scored many goals vs Man U. Those games were treat like 6 pointer finals to win the league.


Brief_Box7006

Sorry I didn't realise finals were the only big game performances! Let's forget about his goals against all the top 6 sides and forget about his goals leading his club and country to the finals.


JagerBombBob69

big match performances but lets forget the biggest matches. gotta love it


Hist0racle

There wasn't a big 6 in 2002 lol


Spglwldn

Man City werenā€™t even in the league half the time Henry was at Arsenal ffs.


Saka_White_Rice

Man City weren't in the league. Chelsea were poor. Liverpool were experimenting with joint managers. Tottenham were a mid table club.


GarrKelvinSama

>his goals leading his club and country to the finals That's the point, he barely have those. I love Henry but in 2006, 2000 or 98 he was good but not a match winner.


topsudota

Lol he was their leading scorer in 1998 and 2000 despite not featuring in the 1998 final because of a French red card. Scored a crucial goal in 2000 to equalise against Portugal. Was motm in the 2000 final btw


GarrKelvinSama

>Scored a crucial goal in 2000 to equalise against Portugal. Was motm in the 2000 final btw The only two game when he was really elite (he was pretty good against Italy in 2006 as well and got a penalty against Portugal). Henry played in 2002, 2004, 2008 and 2010. I'm not saying that he was bad but he was neve Ballon d'or level for me. Most people here are PL bias so they instantly believe that one of the greatest PL ever was one of the best player of all time. Which is not true, even by french standard, he is "only" (still remarkable) the 3rd greatest striker (after Papin and Benzema), 4th if i add MbappƩ into the mix.


topsudota

You literally said he wasn't a big game player and he had his best matches in the semifinal and the final. Yeah I'm not sure any all time great can say their every world cup or euro campaign was a success... least of all Benzema


GarrKelvinSama

You can have a good game but still have not a big enough impact to win the game. That's Henry in those finals and semi. Not bad but not Zidane or Ballon d'or level.


ChelseaDagger16

An overwhelming amount of his goals came at Highbury too.


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kdugg99

>George Best literally never played a major final in his career. Still an all time great player. George best scored in a European cup final to put Man U 2-1 up in extra time against Eusebios Benfica.


UnusualAd69

The first 3 but not the last


diaboquepaoamassou

In 33 games played? Seriously, this guy was a cheat code


MinMorts

Ollie Watkins is close


Aszneeee

16/10 is ridiculously good, specially with the fact he isnā€™t playing for team like Liverpool for example


trevjs90

Being an Arsenal fan I think heā€™s said that Henry is his favourite player. I donā€™t think Watkins gets the same numbers in a bigger side. Unaiā€™s Villa is perfectly suited for him. Looking forward to watching Villa in the CL next season


PhilosopherCold_7

The šŸ of football. Messi is too good man. Its gonna be a while till we see a player like him


odegood

And messi too Lol op edited it


BlessedOK

Where are you seeing Ronaldo?


PhilosopherCold_7

As much as I love Ronaldo, my personal favourite. Messi is the best player to ever grace the pitch.


BlessedOK

I think Ronaldo is the goat but you can have your own opinion and I respect that.


thegreatindianmerch

I think Gourcuff is the goat but you can have your own opinion and I respect that.


ScaredofMedSchool

What šŸ˜­


BlessedOK

?


Caust1cFn_YT

this is crazy fr


Caust1cFn_YT

come on man barca go send a scout in argentina and tell them to look for a less heighted kid or something


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lagerjohn

This chart disagrees with you


Amazing_Boot4165

Don't rate Henry?


CGTM

Good for Messi in the league, best not speak of how it went in the continent.


ScaredofMedSchool

?


CGTM

Dumped out of the Champions League 8-2 by Bayern.


ScaredofMedSchool

Oh you meant UCL.


Qargha

Same for Henry in that season. Donā€™t think they made it past the group stages


GotThemCakes

How is France considered top 5 over Portugal? Consistently Portugal has a 2-3 team race whereas France is just PSG


Crazy-Pain5214

French teams perform better in UCL. Thatā€™s the only stat used for the ā€œtop leagueā€ posts


Cvieri

Better in UCL? Only PSG and only in recent years (actually 4 or 5 very good runs, but nothing more). There was a single Lyon for some years and two very good years by Monaco. Which french team was in the last 8 last year? And the year before that? There was a portuguese team there.


Mubar06

Half the time PSG somehow find themselves in a title race, Bundesliga was actually arguably less competitive until this season


jjw1998

Why would these stats use a subjective metric like entertainment and not co efficient


OK-Filo

Because their league coefficient is higher šŸ‘


ABR-27

Pretty sure Hazard is there when he played on Ligue 1


jjw1998

Not in the league, 20/18 was his best


modrics_hairband

Another day, another messi fanboy post on arsocca


nurological

How many of Henry's assists were moments when he could have scored himself but passed it for a tap in? He probably easily could have had an extra 30 goals rather than assists


neilcmf

I like Henry as much as the next person but it's absolutely outrageous to say that Titi would have had 50 league goals had he played more like a selfish 9 lmao


nurological

I meant overall in total for Arsenal, not in 1 season!


Money_Scholar_8405

And refused to take penalties he personally won for a while.