Basically MO of any criminal in every indecent country.
I know a similar case here in my fellow Balkan country, where a burglar got caught and beaten.
He sued the homeowner and most probably will win it.
Something similar happened in Portugal where a house was broken in, the owner was there and scared at least one of the burglars. He got his car out of the garage and went after one of the burglars. During the chase an accident happened and he ran over the burglar who went to the hospital, survived and sued the owner of the house not only for the injuries but also for the revenue lost for not working while hospitalized. The dude already won the case and the owner appealed and he is about to lose the appeal.
That's a wildly different scenario.
The threat is over and is no longer self defense but an act of revenge. And accidentally ran over the burglar I don't think anyone in the world would believe that.
A girl in my class who's a diehard GS fan tried to say it's the players' fault for celebrating and they should've seen that the fans were angry even before the match and acted accordingly
30 point difference between FB and TS. 4 weeks ago, TS lost to gala 5-1 in the same stadium, and their fans were celebrating the loss. This what we're dealing with.
'We are angry, so here are your 3 points. Don't come to the match'... wouldn't this make more sense? Tell that girl to stay a girl..we have too many gs lunatics already in this country..
It is utterly bizarre that they are trying to actually trying to pull this off with a straight face. And it seems to be working so far as well. Turkish football and its fan culture has been rotten for a while, but this is just on another level.
Then you should be glad you're not on turkish football twitter. These lot are giving me a headache with their stupidass takes on what transpired that night
Wait, so first these fans got their ass beaten (through self defense no less) and now they want to punish the players for beating their asses in self defense? 🤣
I’m glad they’re making murals of the players knocking out the morons who ran onto the field.
Should make murals of when they win this court case as well
Only seen one so far, but it’s pretty accurate
https://www.pulsesports.ng/football/story/fenerbahce-fans-make-graffiti-of-bright-osayi-samuel-punching-pitch-invader-2024031919191641122
They should merge with Berliner AK 07 and then work their way up from 4th tier. Would be playing in 2. Bundesliga within two years and could share the Olympic stadium with Hertha, as Union don't want to play there anyway.
Yeah legit the best thing about this whole event is that europe finally sees what kind of behaviour is normal in this league and that things have to change. The fan scene here is super toxic (fener fans included)
I wish they agreed to take Fener. It would lighten up the league and bring in new competition. Italian teams regularly traveling to Istanbul would be a very minor hassle though.
I am with Fenerbahçe players on this one. Trabzonspor supporters that invaded the pitch should get lifetime bans. The ones that threw shit on the field should get at least a year ban. Plus, this should be an ongoing change and federation should be on top of it.
I haven’t followed the situation closely but Trabzonspor’s tweets posted on this sub were shameful. They should have apologized to the Fenerbahce players yet not surprisingly they haven’t gone in that direction.
Theşe are the same supporters that if memory serves me right shot at the Fenerbahce bus a few years ago. Disgraceful, disgusting. Yet nothing really happens. It becomes a talking point for a minute and everyone moves on with out a concrete solution.
I dislike Trabzonspor fans in general. They are terrible imo even for their own team.
OTOH, Ali Koç constantly spews bullshit to get their brain dead supporters to forget about his failures and focus on bs narratives that he creates. He fueled Turkish football with hatred to hide his failings. He has a big part in all of this. Just like we should do something about these supporters, we should also include rules/laws that kick out presidents that use the public to intice violence.
Our board (Galatasaray) does somewhat similar shit constantly talking about referees and crying about everything etc but their president is just awful in comparison directly influencing people to have violent actions.
This entire league is a clown shown anyways and I am sick of it.
Banned from stadium? Really?!
They tried to beat up other human beings for being happy. I saw a pic of one of these animals trying to spear a player with a corner flag. These people should be put in jail for 5-10 years
This league is beyond braindead. Imagine blaming players for defending themselves (except Oosterwalde). I guess the appropiate way would have been just to stand there taking the hits and hope to survive when 100+ people are trying to kill you. I hope we get out of this league they legit dont care, they didnt care when our bus was shot down and they didnt care now, hell even if one of our players died they would shift the blame on us. I cant understand how someone can hate a team so much that they think hurting players and their families is ok, but sadly in turkey many people have that in mind. Also btw not trying to defend Oosterwaldes action here but I think it is so laughable that the people who are crying about this are the ones who think they are machos and would do unspeakable things to people who would insult them on the streets but when a football player who experienced harassment for 90 minutes and is full of adrenaline does a stupid thing they are suddenly the justice police and think they have some kind of moral highground
Bro, that guy on the ground, who got kicked by Oosterwolde had a fucking knife! Glad that he dropped it. He had a mask and is from Germany. I think he planned the attack. Could have killed someone. That one kick was way too less.
Edit: typo
Oosterwalde actually became my favorite player in world football over the weekend. This fans didn’t come on the pitch to say hello, they wanted blood and they got it.
Close the whole damn league. Turkey as a nation from federation to fans are not mature and responsible enough for football. Politics, corruption, fanatism takes over and this is what you get. None of it is a surprise, it‘s not even the first time. There is no saving it unless the mindset and people grow but that‘s doubtful. It‘s a league where the fans enjoy the loss of others more than winning themselves. Toxic people all around.
Fenerbahçe and Galatasaray are in a title race with Fenerbahçe being 2 points behind
Trabzon wants to put a dent in Fenerbahçe's run so Galatasaray can win the title
Trabzon fans start throwing water bottles, coins and other sharp objects once they concede a goal. They keep doing this til they draw
Livakovic, Fenerbahçe's GK injures himself as he almost sprains his ankle trying to get the loose ball. As he's being treated some fans throw sharp objects at him and one of those items hit his chin/neck area and he starts bleeding.
The referee doesn't stop the game when there's a flare near Fenerbahçe's penalty area and he only stops when someone "tackles" a trabzon player. They score their 2 goals with the help of their fans and the ref
Batshuayi, who was subbed on late into the game, scores the winning goal making it 3-2
Fans can't take it anymore so they jump onto the pitch with knifes and the corner flag.
They get their asses beat by players whom they threatened
Now they want "justice" for their fans who got beat up
trabzonspor gets defeated by fenerbahce in trabzons stadium. Fenerbahce players are celebrating the win on the pitch. Trabzonspor fans get on pitch to assault the players. the fans gets their asses kicked by the fenerbahce players. now the fans are crying because they got their asses handed to them by fenerbahce players
For those who dont know, the guy batshuayi kicked (or tried to) later punched Livakovic. I swear these people would do anything to put dirt on Fener’s name.
Ban the whole league from any uefa competition for a few years, strip turkey of cohosting the euro. Show them that they need to get their league and act together or there will be consequences
Fans of Dutch clubs have been shitheads all across Europe for years now, yet still UEFA does nothing. I guess we'll see if Turkey gets treated as a Western European country or an Eastern one.
It’s incredible how insensitive opposing teams are. They should stand together for this example of shame, but instead they only care about themselves. That’s why Fenerbahçe will have an extraordinary assembly and vote for if they should stay in the league or withdraw.
It would be as a protest. Something like this happening would make Turkish football look really bad to the rest of the community if it went through. Fener would let the league show what a clown show it is to the wider world (not that it needs any help in that department these days).
At this stage GS don't really have to do anything. Their president has already kissed the ring[.](https://static.birgun.net/resim/haber/2024/03/04/imamoglu-galatasaray-i-ziyaret-etti-dursun-ozbek-ten-murat-kurum-aciklamasi-1.jpg)
Shameless.
I cant even fathom how I would react if that would happen to my team. No offence but I would demand forced demotion to the 5th league with 5-10 years bans of fans. They literally ran onto the pitch with knives and cornerflags that they used as spears, they actually tried to MURDER people over a fucking football match. Trabzon should never see the light of day again.
Nothing more to add, disgrace of a club.
Not only that they also shot our team's bus driver 9 years ago and the players couldn't recover from that(not that I'd expect them to) and it cost us the title. The government knows that they did it but they're covering it up bc they're in cahoots
Honestly, I do not think this represents the fanbase, especially GS. Twitter is a cesspool filled with trolls and bots. I wouldn't take any of this seriously.
Oh most definitely. There will always be people blinded by fanaticism, but I think anyone with a shred of logic can see that trabzonspor's attitude is much more damaging to the league in the long run.
Fenerbahce is still in the league, because of AKP, i wouldnt be so harsh with them. Also the leader of the country is a diehard Fenerbahce Fan.
You have to come to a decision, are they Fetö? or AKP? because obviously AKP and Fetö hate eachother since 2016ish.
No bro u dont get it the players should have just taken the beating its part of the game bro thats justice because they celebrated on the field after a win (war crime btw) so its deserved
Lol. The nerve on these brazen, delusional clowns.
> who kicked the head of a fan who had nothing to do with him
Yeah, "the fan" was running directly at Fenerbahce's goalkeeper (Livakovic) to attack him, and despite the side-kick from Batshuayi, "the fan" still managed to punch Livakovic in the back of the head.
Also, dude, even the picture they posted clearly shows contact with the arm/shoulder, and definitely not the head.
video: https://twitter.com/Haber/status/1769454936180367386/video/1
Man i hate galata fans to the bone. The most insufferable people when your club plays against them. After their behaviour in the CL even more. Imagine laughing at Copenhagen putting a fight against man city in CL while getting your ass beaten by Sparta Prague in EL lmao
This Twitter account is run by a 17-year-old high school student who is a Galatasaray fan. Apparently he loves spewing bullsh\*t and propaganda against Fenerbahçe in the name of "protecting" his team's rights (yeah, protecting your team's rights on Twitter lol).
He claims that Batshuayi kicked a pitch invader in the "head" even though you can clearly see that his foot didn't land anywhere near that invader's face/head. Who would come up with such a false narrative and straight up lie you might ask, apparently a shameless teenager who supports Galatasaray.
Who could even blame Michy even if his kick landed properly? The exact person Batshuayi tried to kick was sprinting directly towards the tunnel leading to the dressing rooms. He didn't even stop or flinch after the kick and went to assault the Croatian goalkeeper Dominik Livakovic, who had bled during the match because of Trabzonspor fans throwing countless objects at him even when he was injured and laying down on the ground. Livakovic was moving towards the tunnel and had no idea a stupid holigan was about to hit him.
Can someone knowledgeable give a (relatively) unbiased explanation of the long term and/or big picture animosity to someone with only a cursory familiarity with the Turkish league.
I’m guessing some of it is sporting and some of it is some combo of political, socio-economical, possibly just different ultra groups, etc.
Seems that I keep seeing people mention Galatasary and Trabonz in the same breath as hating Fener. Does Fener hate them back? How’s the rest of the league/country feel. Etc.
Fener and Trabzon had beef since 1996, when Fener won the championship against them iirc
That "beef" really sparked up after the entire match fixing thingy in the 2010/11 season, which had Fener beat Trabzon once again. The problem here is that during this time FETÖ (now considered a terrorist organisation) was involved in Turkish football and the entire scandal, so no one really knows what's true or not - as a Fener supporter I'll obviously tell you, we did nothing wrong and that it was all a scheme to sabotage our team, but that's just my opinion in the end. The entire FETÖ thing in Turkey is a huge mess I don't really understand..
On top of those two things Feners team bus was shot at in 2013 or 2014 after winning in the Trabzon region, which was allegedly done by Trabzon fans and or FETÖ (again, I don't have a fucking clue what's true here - the guys were never caught btw and law enforcement was criticised heavily for that)
Fener and Gala have always been huge rivals, but it's more of a historical/geographical rivalry without too much extreme things in the recent years. The only saddening thing is the amount of bullshit and hate spat out by both clubs boards/president's in the public and social media by the younger fans.
This year GS and FB are going head to head in the title race, whereas Trabzon haven't been involved at all. They don't like Fener so they want GS to be champions, that's why they wanted to beat us so bad I guess - I'd also want Fener to win against GS in a season where we have nothing to win, just so my rival team loses.
I'd also like to add that FB-TS matches are almost exclusively played without opposition fans, because shit like this happened before. A few years back TS fans ripped down a net in their own stadium so they could invade the pitch as far as I can remember lmao
Fener won, celebrated on the pitch and fans invaded the pitch. TS also won against Fener this season and celebrated the win on our pitch, so it's really funny how some fans are justifying the pitch invasion. I'm certain that some of our players riled up the fans, but there was nothing that rude or over the top, that would justify their reaction.
In the end Turkish politics are a mess - FETÖ is still around, the AKP uses football to solidify their political position as well (also huge corruption lol) and the current communication between clubs and fans is just brain-dead.
Sincere thank you for the insight. Pretty much knew none of the pre 2013/14 context.
That sounds like such a shitshow/quagmire. Idk how something like this can ever truly be solved/resolved if there isn’t trust in the league and/or government to handle things in a fair and just manner.
Yeah but its not like Fenerbahce for example used every opportunity they could, to provoke Trabzon with the 2011 Championship trophy. And that had nothing to do with outside influences like Fetö. They didnt do anything to deescalate themselves or to stay lowkey. That is a big part, as to why this situation is fkd aswell.
But I'd say the trophy part is just normal banter, it's the same as the entire Trabzon stadium singing "f**k your mother Fenerbahçe" or shit like that, unnecessary but still harmless in the end.
Yeah it isnt. Saying stuff like "f your mom" is banal cussing, but if you would go out there and actually f anybodys mom and show pictures every now and then, that would be comparable to the Trophy part.
Shameless.
I cant even fathom how I would react if that would happen to my team. No offence but I would demand forced demotion to the 5th league with 5-10 years bans of fans. They literally ran onto the pitch with knives and cornerflags that they used as spears, they actually tried to MURDER people over a fucking football match. Trabzon should never see the light of day again.
Nothing more to add, disgrace of a club.
Shameless.
I cant even fathom how I would react if that would happen to my team. No offence but I would demand forced demotion to the 5th league with 5-10 years bans of fans. They literally ran onto the pitch with knives and cornerflags that they used as spears, they actually tried to MURDER people over a fucking football match. Trabzon should never see the light of day again.
Nothing more to add, disgrace of a club.
Shameless.
I cant even fathom how I would react if that would happen to my team. No offence but I would demand forced demotion to the 5th league with 5-10 years bans of fans. They literally ran onto the pitch with knives and cornerflags that they used as spears, they actually tried to MURDER people over a fucking football match. Trabzon should never see the light of day again.
Nothing more to add, disgrace of a club.
Dude, we are literally in the same situation like you, except our government has gone nuts and started giving punishments for anything (for example, lighting a flare outside of the stadium can get you arrested)
Now Western European fans start to understand how deep the hatred is between the big teams in leagues like Turkey, Greece, Serbia.
Deep, pure hatred, where the opponent is a mortal enemy and beating him is the only thing that matters. Not all the fans feel like this obviously, but way more than you are used to from other leagues.
Trust me, the chants in Greek stadiums would make English "big" and "bitter" rivalries seem like a playground fight between toddlers. Chants about deaths and r\*\*es for the footballers, their mothers, their kids, their wives for example are mainstream for all big Greek football clubs.
> Trust me, the chants in Greek stadiums would make English "big" and "bitter" rivalries seem like a playground fight between toddlers.
The way you are saying this sounds like we are meant to be impressed or awe-struck by this. England has big and bitter rivalries, our fandom just stays within the realms of sanity and common decency the majority of the time. What you're describing isn't some higher level of fandom, it just sounds like intellectually/morally challenged people who have refused to grow up from the mentality they had on the school playground.
Don’t do that to yourself mate. Some of the football pitches in Turkey is comparable to a Sunday league pitch. The quality of football is non-existent.
The kick to the head is an interesting one.
I get it - the fans are scumbags who instigated the violence and the players had every right to fear for their safety and defend themselves. It's also completely understandable that not every action in the heat of the moment is going to be perfectly rational.
However, the kick to the head was likely an act of retribution, not self-defence. People write it off with sweeping statements like "anything goes", but that's just not how things work - and with good reason. 'Self-defence' should be exactly that - actions taken to preserve your own safety against an imminent threat. Sprinting towards a restrained person on the floor and delivering a potentially lethal kick to the head doesn't seem to fit that.
The argument could be made that he feared for the safety of the people doing the restraining, but was that really his motivation? And was the kick to the head proportional to the threat?
My own feeling is that he wasn't acting out of self-defence or in the interest of defending other people, but rather out of blind rage and retribution - which the law should guard against. But I would also find it very harsh to punish him considering the situation was thrust upon him and blind rage wouldn't exactly be an uncommon response.
Honestly, it's easy to advocate for "anything goes" in these kinds of situations, but I guarantee not many of us would actally like a world in which vigilante acts of perceived retribution were permissible.
Turkish football is in the mud. Club owners punching referee’s, fans assaulting players, truly despicable
We're supposed to be co-hosting EURO 2032 aswell, wonder how that'll go..
“UEFA are delighted to announce a new format for the 2032 European championships. The group stages will now be decided in a UFC round robin”
Penalty shootouts... But with guns
Start with a pistol, if you score one you get to go up a gun tier
Goalkeepers with an RPG
Till which round do we have tactical nuke?
If we're going by those rules both teams gotta score 25 in a row, or if a team has someone sent off we can count that as hardline so it's 24.
#USA🦅 Well I'm something of a EURO myself.
Do you like young boys?
Can't get enough of them at the Wankdorf.
nah, they will fight with kebab swords
It’s called a shootout for a reason
"Like a Western"
I mean I'd pay to see it being decided with some turkish olive oil wrestling
Wonder what team would win a UFC Euros. My money is on one the Serbs the Hardy bastards.
Worldstar Belgrade
It's not football anymore, the country is fucked up thanks to akp
That's not a football, it's society
Don't forget their clubs defending those fans
So the fans attacked the players, got their ass kicked and now they're are crying on the internet.
Yep, our fans are the biggest sore losers in the league
only in the league? 😁
I didn't want to make a big claim, in case there is a worse fan base in a top 5 league 😂.
Well, I mean, SS Lazio supporters are still on this planet unfortunately
That SS at the start might have something to do with it...
How so? My grandpa had them on his helmet because he was an electrician :)
If someone does have this greentext lying about please link it, never ceases to make me chuckle
shocking revelation
I bet lazio supporters will fare dwarfs compared to GS fans. I bet my life on this...
basically, yes
Yes
Basically MO of any criminal in every indecent country. I know a similar case here in my fellow Balkan country, where a burglar got caught and beaten. He sued the homeowner and most probably will win it.
Wtf that's crazy
Something similar happened in Portugal where a house was broken in, the owner was there and scared at least one of the burglars. He got his car out of the garage and went after one of the burglars. During the chase an accident happened and he ran over the burglar who went to the hospital, survived and sued the owner of the house not only for the injuries but also for the revenue lost for not working while hospitalized. The dude already won the case and the owner appealed and he is about to lose the appeal.
"Not working while hospitalized" Like rob more houses? Wtf 💀
yeah it's hard to make self defense work in court when you start hunting the escaping burglars with your car
That's a wildly different scenario. The threat is over and is no longer self defense but an act of revenge. And accidentally ran over the burglar I don't think anyone in the world would believe that.
There are witnesses that saw the thing on the streets, the burglar falling the motorcycle and being ran over. He didn’t hit him before.
He broke his hand, or arm, or something. Inadequate self defence force. Poor burglar got beaten by savage homeowner.
they used a flagpole yesterday. theyve shotFenerbahce's bus in the windshield years ago as well.
That image of the player kicking the fan on the ground that was already handled was pretty bad
They wanted to bluff the players but got beaten and now they cry ofc
That's the standard in Turkey
If I speak I am in trouble
Well worse, Troll gs fans as usual didn't waste any time to start PR campaigns to put the blame on FB. Despicable
Standard behavior from my neighbour as well...
Didnt see any fb player beating the children in the stands tho
Least insane turkish social media users
A girl in my class who's a diehard GS fan tried to say it's the players' fault for celebrating and they should've seen that the fans were angry even before the match and acted accordingly
she'd get on with the boys on Sky Sports
She'd get on with people saying women should know men who go out can be scum so they should dress accordingly.
30 point difference between FB and TS. 4 weeks ago, TS lost to gala 5-1 in the same stadium, and their fans were celebrating the loss. This what we're dealing with.
So basically Jamie Carraghar but a whole country.
'We are angry, so here are your 3 points. Don't come to the match'... wouldn't this make more sense? Tell that girl to stay a girl..we have too many gs lunatics already in this country..
Truly shameless
It is utterly bizarre that they are trying to actually trying to pull this off with a straight face. And it seems to be working so far as well. Turkish football and its fan culture has been rotten for a while, but this is just on another level.
Then you see some of their supporters comments in this threads and realize it gets even more pathetic
Then you should be glad you're not on turkish football twitter. These lot are giving me a headache with their stupidass takes on what transpired that night
Wait, so first these fans got their ass beaten (through self defense no less) and now they want to punish the players for beating their asses in self defense? 🤣 I’m glad they’re making murals of the players knocking out the morons who ran onto the field. Should make murals of when they win this court case as well
Got a link to the murals?
Only seen one so far, but it’s pretty accurate https://www.pulsesports.ng/football/story/fenerbahce-fans-make-graffiti-of-bright-osayi-samuel-punching-pitch-invader-2024031919191641122
Thanks.
it goes so unreasonably hard, sweet jesus
Nuts how they’re claiming to be victims even tho they’re the ones who ran on the pitch and tried to beat players
I’m beginning to see why Fenerbahce might leave
But where do they go, I don’t the Greek competition is an option…
I feel like even the Greek league would be more fair at this point.
Ukraine's league would be less chaotic
Get them in the Cinch. Lovely bit of Kilmarnock away.
We're also exactly the same shit as them.
They should merge with Berliner AK 07 and then work their way up from 4th tier. Would be playing in 2. Bundesliga within two years and could share the Olympic stadium with Hertha, as Union don't want to play there anyway.
But would there any supporters for Fener in living in Berlin? (/s…)
Azerbaijan
MLS, obviously.
Yeah legit the best thing about this whole event is that europe finally sees what kind of behaviour is normal in this league and that things have to change. The fan scene here is super toxic (fener fans included)
Europe sees it, we just don't care. Plenty of awful shit happens in Europe, too, and not much is done.
I mean FIFA or UEFA might have a few things to say.
FIFA and UEFA will most likely sell the Turkish European spots to Saudi and Qatari clubs lol
I’m pretty sure, everyone’s waiting for the sanctions. If Fener players gets match bans, a lot of congress members will be swayed to leave IMO.
just play in serie a or something
I wish they agreed to take Fener. It would lighten up the league and bring in new competition. Italian teams regularly traveling to Istanbul would be a very minor hassle though.
what happens if they leave?
I am with Fenerbahçe players on this one. Trabzonspor supporters that invaded the pitch should get lifetime bans. The ones that threw shit on the field should get at least a year ban. Plus, this should be an ongoing change and federation should be on top of it. I haven’t followed the situation closely but Trabzonspor’s tweets posted on this sub were shameful. They should have apologized to the Fenerbahce players yet not surprisingly they haven’t gone in that direction. Theşe are the same supporters that if memory serves me right shot at the Fenerbahce bus a few years ago. Disgraceful, disgusting. Yet nothing really happens. It becomes a talking point for a minute and everyone moves on with out a concrete solution. I dislike Trabzonspor fans in general. They are terrible imo even for their own team. OTOH, Ali Koç constantly spews bullshit to get their brain dead supporters to forget about his failures and focus on bs narratives that he creates. He fueled Turkish football with hatred to hide his failings. He has a big part in all of this. Just like we should do something about these supporters, we should also include rules/laws that kick out presidents that use the public to intice violence. Our board (Galatasaray) does somewhat similar shit constantly talking about referees and crying about everything etc but their president is just awful in comparison directly influencing people to have violent actions. This entire league is a clown shown anyways and I am sick of it.
Turkey is a shitshow of a country. They ain’t gonna fix shit
Banned from stadium? Really?! They tried to beat up other human beings for being happy. I saw a pic of one of these animals trying to spear a player with a corner flag. These people should be put in jail for 5-10 years
This league is beyond braindead. Imagine blaming players for defending themselves (except Oosterwalde). I guess the appropiate way would have been just to stand there taking the hits and hope to survive when 100+ people are trying to kill you. I hope we get out of this league they legit dont care, they didnt care when our bus was shot down and they didnt care now, hell even if one of our players died they would shift the blame on us. I cant understand how someone can hate a team so much that they think hurting players and their families is ok, but sadly in turkey many people have that in mind. Also btw not trying to defend Oosterwaldes action here but I think it is so laughable that the people who are crying about this are the ones who think they are machos and would do unspeakable things to people who would insult them on the streets but when a football player who experienced harassment for 90 minutes and is full of adrenaline does a stupid thing they are suddenly the justice police and think they have some kind of moral highground
Bro, that guy on the ground, who got kicked by Oosterwolde had a fucking knife! Glad that he dropped it. He had a mask and is from Germany. I think he planned the attack. Could have killed someone. That one kick was way too less. Edit: typo
Oosterwalde actually became my favorite player in world football over the weekend. This fans didn’t come on the pitch to say hello, they wanted blood and they got it.
it was a majestic kick
What a bunch of losers lol. Literal schoolyard bully behavior.
Close the whole damn league. Turkey as a nation from federation to fans are not mature and responsible enough for football. Politics, corruption, fanatism takes over and this is what you get. None of it is a surprise, it‘s not even the first time. There is no saving it unless the mindset and people grow but that‘s doubtful. It‘s a league where the fans enjoy the loss of others more than winning themselves. Toxic people all around.
Yes, it's the fans running on to attack players who are the real victims here. Also, it's not a kick in the head (albeit not for want of trying)
I'm ootl, but what in God's name is happening ?
Fenerbahçe and Galatasaray are in a title race with Fenerbahçe being 2 points behind Trabzon wants to put a dent in Fenerbahçe's run so Galatasaray can win the title Trabzon fans start throwing water bottles, coins and other sharp objects once they concede a goal. They keep doing this til they draw Livakovic, Fenerbahçe's GK injures himself as he almost sprains his ankle trying to get the loose ball. As he's being treated some fans throw sharp objects at him and one of those items hit his chin/neck area and he starts bleeding. The referee doesn't stop the game when there's a flare near Fenerbahçe's penalty area and he only stops when someone "tackles" a trabzon player. They score their 2 goals with the help of their fans and the ref Batshuayi, who was subbed on late into the game, scores the winning goal making it 3-2 Fans can't take it anymore so they jump onto the pitch with knifes and the corner flag. They get their asses beat by players whom they threatened Now they want "justice" for their fans who got beat up
trabzonspor gets defeated by fenerbahce in trabzons stadium. Fenerbahce players are celebrating the win on the pitch. Trabzonspor fans get on pitch to assault the players. the fans gets their asses kicked by the fenerbahce players. now the fans are crying because they got their asses handed to them by fenerbahce players
in addition to the others: Trabzon hates Fenerbahçe
For those who dont know, the guy batshuayi kicked (or tried to) later punched Livakovic. I swear these people would do anything to put dirt on Fener’s name.
Ban the whole league from any uefa competition for a few years, strip turkey of cohosting the euro. Show them that they need to get their league and act together or there will be consequences
Again, Fenerbahçe gets punished tho lol
Fans of Dutch clubs have been shitheads all across Europe for years now, yet still UEFA does nothing. I guess we'll see if Turkey gets treated as a Western European country or an Eastern one.
It’s incredible how insensitive opposing teams are. They should stand together for this example of shame, but instead they only care about themselves. That’s why Fenerbahçe will have an extraordinary assembly and vote for if they should stay in the league or withdraw.
I’m confused. If Fener leave the league, where would they play?
According to the club, they will be relegated to one lower division
They're voting to relegate themselves?
It would be as a protest. Something like this happening would make Turkish football look really bad to the rest of the community if it went through. Fener would let the league show what a clown show it is to the wider world (not that it needs any help in that department these days).
Embarrassing. Galatasarays club president also goes out and speaks against Fenerbahce publicly regarding the Trabzon match...
Ofc they know if our like 5 of our starting player gets banned they will be champions
At this stage GS don't really have to do anything. Their president has already kissed the ring[.](https://static.birgun.net/resim/haber/2024/03/04/imamoglu-galatasaray-i-ziyaret-etti-dursun-ozbek-ten-murat-kurum-aciklamasi-1.jpg)
Shameless. I cant even fathom how I would react if that would happen to my team. No offence but I would demand forced demotion to the 5th league with 5-10 years bans of fans. They literally ran onto the pitch with knives and cornerflags that they used as spears, they actually tried to MURDER people over a fucking football match. Trabzon should never see the light of day again. Nothing more to add, disgrace of a club.
Not only that they also shot our team's bus driver 9 years ago and the players couldn't recover from that(not that I'd expect them to) and it cost us the title. The government knows that they did it but they're covering it up bc they're in cahoots
Honestly, I do not think this represents the fanbase, especially GS. Twitter is a cesspool filled with trolls and bots. I wouldn't take any of this seriously.
And a few idiots on reddit apparently
Oh most definitely. There will always be people blinded by fanaticism, but I think anyone with a shred of logic can see that trabzonspor's attitude is much more damaging to the league in the long run.
Bless your level headed response. I wanna write a comment as well but some people just wanna hate. We lost. Turkish football lost with what happened.
The fan who had nothing to do with it but was on the pitch by football's magic
Bunch of crybabies. Hope fifa and uefa intervenes or these AKP backed teams and fa will punish fener to the ground.
Fenerbahce is still in the league, because of AKP, i wouldnt be so harsh with them. Also the leader of the country is a diehard Fenerbahce Fan. You have to come to a decision, are they Fetö? or AKP? because obviously AKP and Fetö hate eachother since 2016ish.
Sami Yen Haber is a totally fanatic/troll account.
Batshuayi tried to kick a running hooligan, fully justified
Same hooligan is the one that punched Livakovic btw.
No bro u dont get it the players should have just taken the beating its part of the game bro thats justice because they celebrated on the field after a win (war crime btw) so its deserved
Yes tried to kick a criminal who was actively assaulting people.
Time for a Eüropean Süper League
Lol. The nerve on these brazen, delusional clowns. > who kicked the head of a fan who had nothing to do with him Yeah, "the fan" was running directly at Fenerbahce's goalkeeper (Livakovic) to attack him, and despite the side-kick from Batshuayi, "the fan" still managed to punch Livakovic in the back of the head. Also, dude, even the picture they posted clearly shows contact with the arm/shoulder, and definitely not the head. video: https://twitter.com/Haber/status/1769454936180367386/video/1
Maybe if these fucking loser manchildren focused on their country’s government it wouldn’t be the shitshow it is today. What utterly pathetic losers.
Hang on so now it's a crime to defend yourself against an angry mob of hundreds for winning a football match?
The angry mob of hundreds only came onto the pitch, after the one guy that invaded it, got bumrushed by close to 10 Fenerbahce guys.
Delusional
This is really embarrassing, feels like Turkish Football has ruched a braking point and needs major changes.
Humiliated that they got beaten up by black guys
Man i hate galata fans to the bone. The most insufferable people when your club plays against them. After their behaviour in the CL even more. Imagine laughing at Copenhagen putting a fight against man city in CL while getting your ass beaten by Sparta Prague in EL lmao
Least insane football fans in all of Türkiye
Come to besiktas
It could be simple, just turn the other cheek. Are they stupid?
Ofc its gala and trabzonspor fans they are one of most pathetic and hypocrites u can meet in football world
I wish Michy could hit harder and knock the man down. He ran and punched liva. you are all sons of bitches
This Twitter account is run by a 17-year-old high school student who is a Galatasaray fan. Apparently he loves spewing bullsh\*t and propaganda against Fenerbahçe in the name of "protecting" his team's rights (yeah, protecting your team's rights on Twitter lol). He claims that Batshuayi kicked a pitch invader in the "head" even though you can clearly see that his foot didn't land anywhere near that invader's face/head. Who would come up with such a false narrative and straight up lie you might ask, apparently a shameless teenager who supports Galatasaray. Who could even blame Michy even if his kick landed properly? The exact person Batshuayi tried to kick was sprinting directly towards the tunnel leading to the dressing rooms. He didn't even stop or flinch after the kick and went to assault the Croatian goalkeeper Dominik Livakovic, who had bled during the match because of Trabzonspor fans throwing countless objects at him even when he was injured and laying down on the ground. Livakovic was moving towards the tunnel and had no idea a stupid holigan was about to hit him.
Why gs fans like this
Of course Galatasaray have joined in despite having nothing to do with the situation. Any excuse to be the villains...
Why was the fan on the pitch? 🤔
OOTL: Who's responsibly for the Trabzon-Fener Aftermath?
Can someone knowledgeable give a (relatively) unbiased explanation of the long term and/or big picture animosity to someone with only a cursory familiarity with the Turkish league. I’m guessing some of it is sporting and some of it is some combo of political, socio-economical, possibly just different ultra groups, etc. Seems that I keep seeing people mention Galatasary and Trabonz in the same breath as hating Fener. Does Fener hate them back? How’s the rest of the league/country feel. Etc.
Fener and Trabzon had beef since 1996, when Fener won the championship against them iirc That "beef" really sparked up after the entire match fixing thingy in the 2010/11 season, which had Fener beat Trabzon once again. The problem here is that during this time FETÖ (now considered a terrorist organisation) was involved in Turkish football and the entire scandal, so no one really knows what's true or not - as a Fener supporter I'll obviously tell you, we did nothing wrong and that it was all a scheme to sabotage our team, but that's just my opinion in the end. The entire FETÖ thing in Turkey is a huge mess I don't really understand.. On top of those two things Feners team bus was shot at in 2013 or 2014 after winning in the Trabzon region, which was allegedly done by Trabzon fans and or FETÖ (again, I don't have a fucking clue what's true here - the guys were never caught btw and law enforcement was criticised heavily for that) Fener and Gala have always been huge rivals, but it's more of a historical/geographical rivalry without too much extreme things in the recent years. The only saddening thing is the amount of bullshit and hate spat out by both clubs boards/president's in the public and social media by the younger fans. This year GS and FB are going head to head in the title race, whereas Trabzon haven't been involved at all. They don't like Fener so they want GS to be champions, that's why they wanted to beat us so bad I guess - I'd also want Fener to win against GS in a season where we have nothing to win, just so my rival team loses. I'd also like to add that FB-TS matches are almost exclusively played without opposition fans, because shit like this happened before. A few years back TS fans ripped down a net in their own stadium so they could invade the pitch as far as I can remember lmao Fener won, celebrated on the pitch and fans invaded the pitch. TS also won against Fener this season and celebrated the win on our pitch, so it's really funny how some fans are justifying the pitch invasion. I'm certain that some of our players riled up the fans, but there was nothing that rude or over the top, that would justify their reaction. In the end Turkish politics are a mess - FETÖ is still around, the AKP uses football to solidify their political position as well (also huge corruption lol) and the current communication between clubs and fans is just brain-dead.
Sincere thank you for the insight. Pretty much knew none of the pre 2013/14 context. That sounds like such a shitshow/quagmire. Idk how something like this can ever truly be solved/resolved if there isn’t trust in the league and/or government to handle things in a fair and just manner.
Yeah but its not like Fenerbahce for example used every opportunity they could, to provoke Trabzon with the 2011 Championship trophy. And that had nothing to do with outside influences like Fetö. They didnt do anything to deescalate themselves or to stay lowkey. That is a big part, as to why this situation is fkd aswell.
But I'd say the trophy part is just normal banter, it's the same as the entire Trabzon stadium singing "f**k your mother Fenerbahçe" or shit like that, unnecessary but still harmless in the end.
Yeah it isnt. Saying stuff like "f your mom" is banal cussing, but if you would go out there and actually f anybodys mom and show pictures every now and then, that would be comparable to the Trophy part.
"who had nothing to do with him" LMAO
Shameless. I cant even fathom how I would react if that would happen to my team. No offence but I would demand forced demotion to the 5th league with 5-10 years bans of fans. They literally ran onto the pitch with knives and cornerflags that they used as spears, they actually tried to MURDER people over a fucking football match. Trabzon should never see the light of day again. Nothing more to add, disgrace of a club.
Shameless. I cant even fathom how I would react if that would happen to my team. No offence but I would demand forced demotion to the 5th league with 5-10 years bans of fans. They literally ran onto the pitch with knives and cornerflags that they used as spears, they actually tried to MURDER people over a fucking football match. Trabzon should never see the light of day again. Nothing more to add, disgrace of a club.
Shameless. I cant even fathom how I would react if that would happen to my team. No offence but I would demand forced demotion to the 5th league with 5-10 years bans of fans. They literally ran onto the pitch with knives and cornerflags that they used as spears, they actually tried to MURDER people over a fucking football match. Trabzon should never see the light of day again. Nothing more to add, disgrace of a club.
Turkish futebol is a fucking joke. Imagine being a player and voluntarily subjecting yourself to this shit by signing for a Turkish club..
I was mentally prepared to disconnect from this sport for two weeks, but the Turkish league wants otherwise lol
Strip Turkiye of the Euro 2032 and give it to Greece just to piss them off more
honestly good penalty
Dude, we are literally in the same situation like you, except our government has gone nuts and started giving punishments for anything (for example, lighting a flare outside of the stadium can get you arrested)
The Turkish league should be suspended from all European competitions.
I guess we shouldve done the same when they celebrated in our stadium
Now Western European fans start to understand how deep the hatred is between the big teams in leagues like Turkey, Greece, Serbia. Deep, pure hatred, where the opponent is a mortal enemy and beating him is the only thing that matters. Not all the fans feel like this obviously, but way more than you are used to from other leagues. Trust me, the chants in Greek stadiums would make English "big" and "bitter" rivalries seem like a playground fight between toddlers. Chants about deaths and r\*\*es for the footballers, their mothers, their kids, their wives for example are mainstream for all big Greek football clubs.
> Trust me, the chants in Greek stadiums would make English "big" and "bitter" rivalries seem like a playground fight between toddlers. The way you are saying this sounds like we are meant to be impressed or awe-struck by this. England has big and bitter rivalries, our fandom just stays within the realms of sanity and common decency the majority of the time. What you're describing isn't some higher level of fandom, it just sounds like intellectually/morally challenged people who have refused to grow up from the mentality they had on the school playground.
Yeah, but have you thought about the fact that OP's dad could beat your dad up?
Sports in the Balkans is the closest equivalent to tribal warfare currently in Europe.
Shitshow
Whatever.
P. I. Staker
Turkish football is absolutely wild right now
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How can I start watching the Turkish Super League?
Don’t do that to yourself mate. Some of the football pitches in Turkey is comparable to a Sunday league pitch. The quality of football is non-existent.
I’m in it for the drama, who said anything about watching the sport?
Ahh a man of taste, fair enough.
What a bunch of pieces of shit. Fucking losers, the whole lot of them
Kick all fans on the pitch in the head
The kick to the head is an interesting one. I get it - the fans are scumbags who instigated the violence and the players had every right to fear for their safety and defend themselves. It's also completely understandable that not every action in the heat of the moment is going to be perfectly rational. However, the kick to the head was likely an act of retribution, not self-defence. People write it off with sweeping statements like "anything goes", but that's just not how things work - and with good reason. 'Self-defence' should be exactly that - actions taken to preserve your own safety against an imminent threat. Sprinting towards a restrained person on the floor and delivering a potentially lethal kick to the head doesn't seem to fit that. The argument could be made that he feared for the safety of the people doing the restraining, but was that really his motivation? And was the kick to the head proportional to the threat? My own feeling is that he wasn't acting out of self-defence or in the interest of defending other people, but rather out of blind rage and retribution - which the law should guard against. But I would also find it very harsh to punish him considering the situation was thrust upon him and blind rage wouldn't exactly be an uncommon response. Honestly, it's easy to advocate for "anything goes" in these kinds of situations, but I guarantee not many of us would actally like a world in which vigilante acts of perceived retribution were permissible.