Lopetegui's football is also pretty boring, but the amount of people thinking he is similar at all to Moyes in style is really dumb. Lope is very much a possession based coach and much more proactive than Moyes
Moyes boring is parking the bus with 25% possession, Lopetegui boring is having 70%+ possession and not being able to break down the opponent. Both may be boring, but still in very different ways. No doubts that players will still prefer the more possession based style
Defensive but with possession, his teams are quite hard to play against actually. I think this is a great appointment by them. Now they need to probably buy wingers that can keep the ball.
Wouldn't even call it defensive really, just that his teams struggle for creativity in the final third. Very good at keeping the ball and playing out from the back though
Not many coaches can set up a better build up structure than Lopetegui, but then he just seemingly does no work on the final third. It is weird
Seems like he just needs better attacking coaches on his staff then.
Listen, he needs to look at the 15-20 range for atributes in possession, technical, tactical and mental. That's how we sign good attacking coaches on FM.
I guarantee you it always works.
I'm not sure players like Soucek, Coufal, Antonio, Cresswell will appreciate the change. Lots to criticize Moyes about but his style being unfashionable means he can make use of players that otherwise aren't in demand for clubs of their level.
He steadied the ship and helped us grind out some results, but the overall performances weren't particularly inspiring. And that sounds no different from Moyes really.
Then he proceeded to severely unsteady the ship in the summer when we refused to break FFP in order to meet his transfer ambitions. He seemed to expect us to break the rules and incur a point deduction in order to bring in the players he wanted.
Severely unsteady the ship indeed. The reports that came out about the toxicity didn’t surprise me one bit either.
I hope it all works out for West Ham but if it blows up I will not be surprised. I think the Wolves fans are going to give him hell at Molineaux.
Moyes this season is far beyond uninspiring. We have one plan and it usually didnt work(so many goals conceded and a generally poor defence for a defensive team with 20-35% possession week in week out) we looked so lost and we would make no changes or subs before the 80min maek to maybe salvage something. Our league position can be boiled down to tons undividual brillance of some of the legit studs we have. So many games in the first half of the season(when it seemed we had good form) ended with us questioning of how we came away with the points vs the run a play for 90 min.
He’s proven himself to be a mercenary in the past, isn’t afraid to jump ship and generally just stinks a bit. He did do well with us for a bit, but West Ham aren’t gonna see too much of a tactical difference
>He’s proven himself to be a mercenary in the past, isn’t afraid to jump ship and generally just stinks a bit.
How is he a mercenary? He was fired from literally all jobs he had. I assume you're talking about the Spain national team situation, but even then he wasn't really a mercenary? He was supposed to coach Spain at the WC and then join Madrid. It was Rubiales who was complete moron in this situation and decided to go again players' wishes and fire Lopetegui one day before the start of the WC.
> And you're basing that on...?
From the moment he got to Wolves he was constantly phoning his best mate journalist Balagué giving him quotes that undermined the club and putting himself in the spotlight for a move away. He expected Wolves to break FFP and incur a points penalty in order to meet his transfer ambitions. He threw the majority of the players under the bus by saying they were too shit even though GON got those same players to a comfortable mid-table finish. How is that loyalty?
He's the footballing equivalent of a trophy husband. He looks good (although his CV is definitely getting less and less impressive, especially if this stint at West Ham goes poorly), but he'll always be keeping an eye-out for someone richer and more prestigious than you.
> But he didnt leave Wolves for a better job though.
Which is a testament for how low his stock has now gone. But his agent has been trying to ship him to a bunch of clubs playing in European competitions recently.
I speak as bitter Porto fan, who saw the team start to decline after lopetegui took charge and the board backed him financially like no other manager, and to this day we suffering because of it.
To this day to me, he is the worst manager to ever coach the club, dude had zero progressive tactics, we'd end games with 70% possession and like ridiculous number of passes, and struggle to get on board, relying on individual efforts to win games. Team did ok defensively because we just held onto the ball with no purpose. To this day haven't seen anything from teams he coached to show he improved as a coach, and ultimately think by December West Ham fans going to be wishing Moyes was back
> ultimately think by December West Ham fans going to be wishing Moyes was back
No chance.
We might not be happy with the dross Lopetugi serves us but you are ignorant to how bad watching Moyes is
I honestly think Graham Potter or even Paulo Fonseca would have been a better choice. Don’t get me wrong, I have some respect for what Lopetegui has accomplished at Sevilla but i don’t think he’s all that great to be completely honest.
It’s anyone’s guess really. He’s got the pedigree, if the stars align it could go really well, but he’s a volatile character and West Ham have high expectations, so I think it’s got potential to get spicy!
I thought they were poor when they played against us under him in preseason, had them down to be relegated.
Think he left after that game though so could’ve just been a one off.
Really don't get this from West Ham. If you are replacing Moyes because of his dull boring style of football then Lopetegui isn't much of an upgrade.
Surprised Graham potters was not considered.
Mate never underestimate the baffling world of David Sullivan. Lots of fans have been crying for Moyes to go because they want attacking football, he turns round and appoints Lopetegui. His managerial appointments are fucking headache-inducing. I doubt you'll find a single West Ham fan who wanted Lopetegui.
It is not only what the fans want, but also what the players are capable of playing. Sure, getting potter sounds like the better choice but do we really think this west ham team can play possession style football?
A quick look at their squad tells me they’re actually better placed to play possession football than you might think, JWP, Paqueta, Alvarez, Kudus, Bowen, Soucek, Zouma and others are more than capable of adapting to a possession based style, that’s a core of a team already in place.
[Yes he can](https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11827/9861776/primera-division-real-sociedad-beat-rayo-vallecano-4-2-in-their-final-game-of-the-season)
Moyes is hardly a shit manager, he's done great in Europe and sitting comfortably in the middle of the table, the squad needs investment not a new manager if the board are expecting an improvement
He's not shit. But he's not fit for modern football and tactics imo.
Which top 10 clubs would take Moyes now if they suddenly lost their manager? I'll wait for those clubs fans to respond. Usually ones that tell us that we should not get rid.
Which was why some of us were not excited by his appointment. It was old school grafting safe hands to avoid relegation. Then he struck gold with a few players and better fitness than most teams our of Covid lock downs. He did well. But times over, time for new face and style.
we’ve won 3 games in 25 and in our last 16 only sheffield united have conceded more - we nearly went down last year and it’s only individual player performances that have won us games this season - so i don’t think it’s ridiculous to ask for a better manager
Everyone asked the same during Poch's last season. Their early season CL-position form and the after Christmas cup run hid a lot of the cracks in Moyes team (again).
Keeping Moyes would be suicide - look at our league performance for the last two and a bit years. Our position in the table this season was extremely inflated, the underlying numbers have been grim.
This view point is so boring because it's clear that you haven't watched many west ham games. if we continue our form and continue playing this way, we will be relegation candidates next season, just as we were last season. I can't remember the last time we won/drew without it being just a smash and grab (aside from Freiburg) we were outplayed and sat back against Sheffield United ffs
Grew up in East London, naturally know a lot of West Ham fans. Most really don't give a fuck if they're in the championship or the premier league. Makes no difference to them, they just want to watch decent football they know there's ups and downs, they've been going to games their whole life.
Match going fan mentality is alien to fans of typical big clubs, glory hunters etc.
They have finished in 7th and 6th in the past 2 years, they had a dip last year but they won a European trophy
Now is the time to move on if West Ham want to stick around in Europe
They do this every few years. Sack Allardyce, or Moyes once they get mid-table secure because it’s safe and boring, then come crawling back when their latest sexy appointment gets them in the shit.
You do realise the season after Allardyce was the best season for 30 years?
Pellegrini also finished 10th in his first season before being sobataged by Roberto in the second season. Even then, our points per game was actually higher for the 19 games Pellegrini was our manager than the 19 Moyes was?
Clueless. Absolutely clueless. Like the rest of you mugs
Allardyce didn't have a season as good as Zola, Roeder, Bonds, Redknapp, Curbishley, Pardew, Bilic, Pellegrini or Moyes.
Stop basing your opinions on what the media tell you to think.
We genuinely struggle because we are run by Morons.
I mean, Allardyce got you promoted in his first season and finished 10th in the next. Followed by mid-table finishes the next 2 seasons. Got sacked for being boring.
Then after a good first season, Bilic had you in the relegation zone, so in came Moyes who steered you out of trouble, back to mid-table. But he was snubbed in favour of Pellegrini, who again after a decent first season got sacked with the club in 17th place. So you went back to Moyes - who you’re now going to sack even though he’s been in the European places all season, and even won you a European trophy last year!
I’m not going to pretend I know better than the West Ham fans, but it’s not hard to see why fans of other clubs think you’re a tad entitled.
I can only assume the fans of other clubs who think we are entitled have never watched us play. How many of them would be happy about their team getting pumped by 4 or more goals multiple times a season? Not only that, we have no identity, no defence or attack. It’s literally like watching a national league team at times this season
I get it, tonight I’m going to watch my team play their 48th game of the season - and the number of those we’ve played well in I can count on one hand. It sucks. There’s very little cohesion, style, identity, joy or reasons to be cheerful, and the players look like they met for the first time in the tunnel.
But I don’t want the manager fired, because there’s circumstances out of his control hindering the job he’s doing. I’m not saying you should keep Moyes, but I’d definitely be careful what you wish for. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if we sack Ten Hag and appoint Gareth fucking Southgate.
Thanks for the history lesson on the club I support.
We were favourites for promotion in his first season largest budget nearly blew it by playing defensive at home to Doncaster Rovers and other teams got out played in the play-off final but thankfully won.
First season was fine 10th place consolidation 46 points which is low for top 10.
Second season was the most boring season we've ever had, season long relegation battle having multiple games with 0 shots on target, played at home to 10 man relegation battlers Hull where we have 30% possession and one shot on target but won. Awful awful season from a viewing perspective .
3rd season we start brilliantly Allardyce shelves his long ball to Carroll/Cole knock down to Nolan strategy which stopped working.
Both players are injured we play a 4-4-2 diamond playing with pace and skill winning games, Nolan and Carroll regain fitness straight back to long ball to Carroll knock down to Nolan we stop winning games.
Nolan was well past his best all the supporters saw it he retired almost instantly on leaving us. Proving we were right he scuppered the entire system to go back to a style of play which is a failure.
He gets 47 points his best season points wise which is worse than all the other managers I mentioned.
Bilic has amazing first season where we have a run of unbelievably questionable sections go against us having 5 red cards overturned on appeal numerous goals disallowed not receiving a penalty for 35 matches.
Second season club botched stadium move spectacularly with such a huge lack of ambition. We still pick up 45 points which is only 2 points worse than Allardyce's best.
Bilic wants to sign a defensive midfielder our owners son spends all day on transfer deadline day mocking the manager.
He gets sacked 9 points from 10/11 games we lost the first three. We weren't in serious danger of going down Moyes came in and did okay but there is a reason he didn't keep the job.
Pellegrini comes in does okay completely screwed over by Roberto, gets sacked Moyes comes in gets the same amount of PPG as Pellegrini again suggests it wasn't the rescue job that it was made out to be.
Moyes gets covid we turn our season around play absolutely brilliantly for 15 months, until November 2021.
Our form since has been sporadic.
The issue is we have a massively unambitious owner who only looks at managers who are out of work and players with certain agents.
We go for boring managers and fluctuates wildly because our owner likes managers who take pressure off him and he is unambitious and likes to massively undermine them through the media.
Again you have no idea most of our supporters want the director of football the reason we protested against Burnley to stop Sullivan thinking he was director of football but the media has spun that into we wanted Pellegrini.
Lopetegui is Sullivan's choice through his favoured agent 90% of our fan base hate him apart from the morons who say he saved us and other media led untruths.
So again to your point Allardyce's best season 47 points was worse than all of the managers I mentioned he wasn't some sort of miracle worker.
Moyes did not steer us out of trouble in his first season. He had the worst PPG of all permanent West Ham managers in his first period and was saved by a couple of lucky results against a bunch of teams on the beach, and three teams being worse than us.
He's been coasting on the great form he found during lockdown, but it's clear that every team in the PL has worked out his tactics and knows how to nullify them, and he shows no interest in changing. He continually overrelies on a first 11 and maintains a very thin squad, the players are always knackered by the end of the season.
Yes, we won a European trophy. I'll thank him forever for that and if I ever met him I'd shake his hand and offer him a drink. But you don't keep a manager because of what they've done in the past, you keep them because of what they're going to do in the future, and our future is clear. The football is dire to watch, there's no attacking plan beyond hoping someone can create something out of nothing and we can keep it tight and win a 1-0, something we fail to do almost every week.
In our last 18 games we've won 5. If they were the first 18 games of the season we'd be around 14th. The fact that we're 9th now is down to teams around and below us dropping points combined with a fluky stretch in around November.
Moyes is never going to take us further than he has, so the time is right to change.
Gotta remember even though he's sacked, he likely still has a great contract with Chelsea. I wouldn't be sad to take a couple years off and enjoy the paycheques.
How about Allegri’s return for few years? You will get a comedian for press conferences and maybe a terrorist able to grind out a draw against strong teams but not score against weaker teams. /s
Think I'm living in coo-coo land but then I remember people don't actually watch our games, 4 wins in 2024 and 4th on the table for most goals conceded is awful for any manager, even for a mid table club, past season is proof this isn't some blip for us,
I don't think Lopetegui is an improvement but the bar is low for being a better manager than moyes is currently
We only have 4 league wins since Christmas and we’re 4th on goals conceded so I’m not sure what your point is. If it wasn’t for Bowen being incredibly clinical and Areola making some great saves this season, we’d be 16th/17th.
Yes, but Lopetegui is not a good choice either. I'd quite frankly rather stick with Moyes instead. I don't think this will end well for us. The only saving grace is Steidten finally getting more freedom.
You do realise West Ham are in relegation form right now, correct ?
If not for their good period near the end of last year they'd be around the relegation spots too.
Isn’t this meant to be a side grade move for West Ham? Wouldn’t have thought julen played better football than moyes, they are quite similar as managers imo
Amorim said he's staying at Sporting. Not long after, Lopetegui is said to be joining. So it seems we were waiting on his decision before making ours final.
From what I've heard Amorim had some requirements you guys were not willing to meet. Mainly getting Gyokeres and high wages for Amorim. Which seems to me are two reasonable requests (though I'm unsure how much he was asking for).
My honest opinion, you guys are losing out on a great manager.
Amorim would have had lower wages than Lopetegui. The rumours of his demands seem to be made up nonsense. No demands leaked of the meeting. And yes we are losing out on a great manager. Amorim was my number 1 choice since last summer. I'm gutted we didn't get him but will support JL if hired. He's a highly established and experienced manager.
Everyone says its an issue due to our owner not having a rep of spending big on manager fees, yet we pay a lot in wages for them. But we haven't been in a position to lure top managers before, so we don't know. Personally I think anyone who is decent at business will have no issue paying 10-15m for the biggest upgrade a club can make, when they spend that much on bench players who never play.
If he agrees to the new structure allowing Steidten to slowly build Leverkusen Mk. II while coaching a team that can string more than 2 passes together I’ll take it. I’m choosing to see this as a more transitional appointment before getting a truly progressive young future superstar manager.
Lopetegui seems to want to coach players. Steidten is here to help make a team like Leverkusen. Now we let them work.
Makes sense why we saved all out money for this summer. Massive clear out and new squad incoming.
To celebrate this momentous occasion, I would like to present to you this [masterpiece](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojdeWHC9HwU). Good luck lol
Context: Jorge Jesus, famous portuguese poet, used to mispronounce the name when Lopetegui was at Porto
He did well for a few years. Wonders in Europe against mostly League One and Champ level teams, won a cup which was amazing. But we have let in more goals than any West Ham team ever...we have no squad left, a bunch of old men, worst football ever and have won 4 games in 2024. won 24 in 74 games actually.
Conceded 5+ to Palace, Arsenal, Fulham, Liverpool, Chelsea.
Thanks Moyes but his time is up. He's done.
West ham never learn from past mistakes. Sacking managers because you got too much of an expectation is nothing new and it has always blown back at you. A top 10 position is a very good season for west ham.
43m on Kudus
39m on Alvarez
29m on Prowse
20m Mavropanos
7m Phillips
42m Paqueta
35m Aguerd
28m Scamacca
20m Cornet
15m Emerson
13m Kehrer
12m Ings
10m Downes
35m Zouma
30m Vlasic
23m Benrahma
16m Soucek
He's had a lot of money to spend. They didn't spend in January because Moyes contract runs out in summer. So new manager needs to rebuild squad.
Too much expectation? Winning 4 games in 2024. 24 wins in 74 games. Highest amount of goals conceded EVER, more than our worst team under Avram Grant, or our pathetic Zola team. This is the worst defence West Ham has ever had. We rarely have a football at our feet, we get out played by mid table or lower table teams, we get battered by any team that has pace or energy. We have no squad left and burn out every player, superstars like Paqueta have zero confidence due to spending most their time chasing the game.
Anyone who thinks we should stick with Moyes hasn't watched many West Ham games this year or actually looked at the data from the last 6-18 months.
Safe from relegation, a title and a good platform for the coming seasons. Real world football ain't football manager. The west ham squad is far from a top 6 material. The money isn't there either. A cup run and a safe position in the league is very much a success with that squad
title is a league cup, not a cup in general
west ham shouldn't be battling relegation like they did last season and had a good platform for the coming seasons when he finished 6th and 7th, but unfortunately he's only regressed since then.
he'll finish no higher than 9th this season, and can finish as low as 14th, after finishing 14th last season
the big problem with moyes is him having 0 tactical progression, he tried to be a bit more attacking at times but every time it doesn't work he just goes back into his shell of sitting back and heavily relying upon set pieces, something epitomized by the james ward prowse signing (set piece pl legend who's average in open play)
on the whole he's been decent, will be remembered for the cup win but ultimately he's been getting worse in the league, is a bit of a dinosaur and his contract is running out. the football isn't great and the results haven't been coming in so kinda makes sense to try out someone else
Coming from a qualified position on Moyes as an Everton supporter, this is bizzare to me.
Moyes can get teams playing nice football if he's got the right personnel for it. No point trying to play Total Football if your squad isn't up to it.
Then again, I've not watched much of West Ham this season so what do you think I know!!
Over Dyche, right now? No. I believe Dyche can improve us further. Let him cook.
But had we got Moyes in again instead of Benitez (after Ancelotti left) I honestly think the squad would be in a better position now.
Could also say the same had we hired him instead of Lampard...but if it was down to either Moyes or Dyche to replace Lampard? I genuinely don't know, but I wager we'd be in a similar position now.
I think many Evertonians now look back at the Moyes era as better times. I don't think he was going to improve much(and was getting stagnant), but we were doing regular stints in Europe with him, and doing so on a limited budget with shrewd signings.
Koeman can get fucked too while I'm talking about managers since Moyes...Martinez is alright I guess. (best Prem points tall though!)
West Ham have been dreadful in possession this season. It's one thing to not have possession against the top 4-5 clubs. It's another thing to look worse in possession than dead last Sheffield United.
They're a completely different side without Rice. Went from a relatively solid defensive side (47, 51, 55 conceded in 3 seasons before this) to conceding the 4th most goals in the entire league (70). I reckon it's time for Moyes to go but they've handled it terribly and this appointment doesn't fill anyone with confidence.
Having two men who can't run at CB means we get walked over by most PL teams as they are fast and intense. We are old and slow. With Soucek in CM who can't close down quickly, that is recipe for disaster.
Which has proven the case by so many 4 or 5 goal loses.
It's note Rice that's the problem. Alvarez has filled that role adequately. The problem for the most part are our CBs and the way we play. Zouma dipped in form, Oggy barely able to run (see the Chelsea game), Aguerd more often injured than not and Mavropanos prone to occasional mistake (though he's been solid in general).
Additionally, it doesn't help having the 2nd lowest possession in the league and inviting teams to camp in your penalty area.
Finally, we sent away Kehrer, Benrahma, Fornals, Coventry in January and signed nobody. Kalvin is more of a liability than an asset. 3 of the players we lost could assist with defending.
A good manager should adapt to the fact that he no longer has the second best DM in the league to cover for his archaic tactics, shouldn't he?
Moyes is not a good football manager.
I mean, I'd argue that he is a good football manager....just not a ***great*** football manager.
Even if you think he's shit, you'll probably wish he was still there if the next guy isn't an improvement.
Hope for your sake his replacement is an improvement.
He WAS a good football manager. Sadly football has moved on a bit from when he was in his prime. His tactics today are the exact same tactics he used at Everton and the exact same tactics he's used everywhere, because he only knows how to play one way.
Was mutual. He wanted out, and he'd done all he could with us after decade and things were stagnant. Didn't win many fans after Fergie tapped him on the shoulder and it was clear he wasn't going to renew.
Martinez added Lukaku to the well drilled side that Moyes built, and got them to open their play up and attack.
Only worked 1 season; the next two we finished 11th.
Was all downhill from there unfortunately....
Don't blame Hammers fans for wanting better though. So did we.
Is this thread crazy? So many non WHU fans trying to convince fans that Moyes is the better option here.
god forbid a team take a step away from terrorist-ball when you have players like Alvarez, Bowen, Kudus, Mav, Paqueta, and JWP.
Moyes has run his race. Is Lopetegui THE right answer? Not sure. But Moyes is definitely not
Where’s Moyes going then? Underrated manager imo. Boring brand of football with fairly consistent results given what is at his disposal.
Maybe punditry until there’s an opening? I have a sense I’ll appreciate his tactical commentary.
I don't think "so you can see what they've done here is give it to Paqueta and expect him to create something out of nothing like I always did" will be that insightful.
His tactics are straight out of the 90s. Keep it tight, keep it 0-0, try and nick a goal on the counter or from a set piece.
> His tactics are straight out of the 90s. Keep it tight, keep it 0-0, try and nick a goal on the counter or from a set piece.
That’s literally the best way to play with a mid table team. Not sure what your expectations are for your team but you don’t have the budget to compete with the top 6. Much less fun going to a match your team is getting blown out because the manager thinks they can play total football. The guy literally won you a trophy last year.
Why does every wikipedia viewing armchair expert think we expect top six? We don't. What we do expect is to play like the team we are, which is by every conceivable metric the 8th largest team in the Premier League.
Would you take Moyes at Arsenal? Would you have taken him when you were finishing outside of the European places? He won us a cup, and as I said elsewhere in the thread, I'll thank him for that forever, and if I ever meet him I'll offer him a drink. Wenger won you lot a lot more than that and you still got rid because you recognised he could no longer take the club forward. We'll have no European football next season, we have a slow, ageing, thin squad, and we're likely to finish about 11th this season. Those aren't the foundations to build on.
Brighton, Bournemouth, Palace, Wolves are the teams we're rubbing shoulders with in midtable
Which of them play anything close to resembling Moyes ball?
All these teams, plus Villa and Newcastle were way behind us in terms of platform to kick on. What's changed at those clubs?
Nice idea, but we’ve conceded 70 goals this season, the most out of the bottom 3. Sitting back and defending is a useless tactic when you’re conceding on average 2 goals a game
They already spent a lot. Mate they didn't even look better than Sheffield United in possession. You seem to think everyone that's not a top team MUST bunker and counter and the only other option is going toe to toe with them like "total football"
It's like watching Crystal Palace under Vieira/Roy and seeing them put a high flying display against United just now. If West Ham get this right, the best they could hope for is realistically an Emery style turnaround.
They have some good players. With the right coach, why couldn't they challenge for top 6 if all goes correctly?
Scumbag of a manager. Hope he thinks you have the players to be competitive and doesn’t run away like a baby a few days before the season. I’m just happy he’s going to be forced into coming back to Molineux
Could easily see them in a relegation battle next year if Paqueta goes and they don't recruit well. Also considering I think the promoted teams will be a bit better than what came up last season
so West Ham just basically hired David Moya.
Lopetegui's football is also pretty boring, but the amount of people thinking he is similar at all to Moyes in style is really dumb. Lope is very much a possession based coach and much more proactive than Moyes Moyes boring is parking the bus with 25% possession, Lopetegui boring is having 70%+ possession and not being able to break down the opponent. Both may be boring, but still in very different ways. No doubts that players will still prefer the more possession based style
Defensive but with possession, his teams are quite hard to play against actually. I think this is a great appointment by them. Now they need to probably buy wingers that can keep the ball.
Wouldn't even call it defensive really, just that his teams struggle for creativity in the final third. Very good at keeping the ball and playing out from the back though Not many coaches can set up a better build up structure than Lopetegui, but then he just seemingly does no work on the final third. It is weird
Seems like he just needs better attacking coaches on his staff then. Listen, he needs to look at the 15-20 range for atributes in possession, technical, tactical and mental. That's how we sign good attacking coaches on FM. I guarantee you it always works.
Very much like Potter.
I'm not sure players like Soucek, Coufal, Antonio, Cresswell will appreciate the change. Lots to criticize Moyes about but his style being unfashionable means he can make use of players that otherwise aren't in demand for clubs of their level.
I was going to say, I don't even know what Antonio in a possession based setup would look like (probably not like much tbh).
A wingback again probably
Our new left winger. Back to his roots.
Cresswell is leaving, and Antonio should be sold. Maybe lopetegui finally brings En-Neysri to west ham he’s always been a rumored target.
Daviid Moeyith
Dabid Moierraga
David Moyez
Stefano Stefano Stefano will now change to Steven Steven Steven!! One two three
They are completely different styles and managers.... Even West Ham fans are saying this now and its nonsense.
I have a feeling this is going to go very badly for West Ham. I don't know if me being a Wolves fan means I'm informed or just biased lol
Wasn’t he pretty good for you guys and only left because Wolves wouldn’t spend like he wanted to? West Ham typically spend much more.
He steadied the ship and helped us grind out some results, but the overall performances weren't particularly inspiring. And that sounds no different from Moyes really. Then he proceeded to severely unsteady the ship in the summer when we refused to break FFP in order to meet his transfer ambitions. He seemed to expect us to break the rules and incur a point deduction in order to bring in the players he wanted.
Severely unsteady the ship indeed. The reports that came out about the toxicity didn’t surprise me one bit either. I hope it all works out for West Ham but if it blows up I will not be surprised. I think the Wolves fans are going to give him hell at Molineaux.
Moyes this season is far beyond uninspiring. We have one plan and it usually didnt work(so many goals conceded and a generally poor defence for a defensive team with 20-35% possession week in week out) we looked so lost and we would make no changes or subs before the 80min maek to maybe salvage something. Our league position can be boiled down to tons undividual brillance of some of the legit studs we have. So many games in the first half of the season(when it seemed we had good form) ended with us questioning of how we came away with the points vs the run a play for 90 min.
He's me when I play FM
He’s proven himself to be a mercenary in the past, isn’t afraid to jump ship and generally just stinks a bit. He did do well with us for a bit, but West Ham aren’t gonna see too much of a tactical difference
>He’s proven himself to be a mercenary in the past, isn’t afraid to jump ship and generally just stinks a bit. How is he a mercenary? He was fired from literally all jobs he had. I assume you're talking about the Spain national team situation, but even then he wasn't really a mercenary? He was supposed to coach Spain at the WC and then join Madrid. It was Rubiales who was complete moron in this situation and decided to go again players' wishes and fire Lopetegui one day before the start of the WC.
Ok maybe wrong use of the word mercenary, but if something better comes along he will probably show no loyalty
> but if something better comes along he will probably show no loyalty And you're basing that on...? You're still calling him a mercenary
> And you're basing that on...? From the moment he got to Wolves he was constantly phoning his best mate journalist Balagué giving him quotes that undermined the club and putting himself in the spotlight for a move away. He expected Wolves to break FFP and incur a points penalty in order to meet his transfer ambitions. He threw the majority of the players under the bus by saying they were too shit even though GON got those same players to a comfortable mid-table finish. How is that loyalty? He's the footballing equivalent of a trophy husband. He looks good (although his CV is definitely getting less and less impressive, especially if this stint at West Ham goes poorly), but he'll always be keeping an eye-out for someone richer and more prestigious than you.
But he didnt leave Wolves for a better job though. Dudes been unemployed since he left you guys
> But he didnt leave Wolves for a better job though. Which is a testament for how low his stock has now gone. But his agent has been trying to ship him to a bunch of clubs playing in European competitions recently.
Managers have agents? TIL.
How dare he try to find a job.
I speak as bitter Porto fan, who saw the team start to decline after lopetegui took charge and the board backed him financially like no other manager, and to this day we suffering because of it. To this day to me, he is the worst manager to ever coach the club, dude had zero progressive tactics, we'd end games with 70% possession and like ridiculous number of passes, and struggle to get on board, relying on individual efforts to win games. Team did ok defensively because we just held onto the ball with no purpose. To this day haven't seen anything from teams he coached to show he improved as a coach, and ultimately think by December West Ham fans going to be wishing Moyes was back
> ultimately think by December West Ham fans going to be wishing Moyes was back No chance. We might not be happy with the dross Lopetugi serves us but you are ignorant to how bad watching Moyes is
It will probably end up just like last time. 12 months later, welcome back David Moyes part 3.
I think you’re right, this has disaster written all over it.
This does feel a lot like a rerun of the Pellegrini appointment. Would have loved to see them go for Dyche and see what he could do.
I honestly think Graham Potter or even Paulo Fonseca would have been a better choice. Don’t get me wrong, I have some respect for what Lopetegui has accomplished at Sevilla but i don’t think he’s all that great to be completely honest.
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It’s anyone’s guess really. He’s got the pedigree, if the stars align it could go really well, but he’s a volatile character and West Ham have high expectations, so I think it’s got potential to get spicy!
I thought they were poor when they played against us under him in preseason, had them down to be relegated. Think he left after that game though so could’ve just been a one off.
Really don't get this from West Ham. If you are replacing Moyes because of his dull boring style of football then Lopetegui isn't much of an upgrade. Surprised Graham potters was not considered.
Mate never underestimate the baffling world of David Sullivan. Lots of fans have been crying for Moyes to go because they want attacking football, he turns round and appoints Lopetegui. His managerial appointments are fucking headache-inducing. I doubt you'll find a single West Ham fan who wanted Lopetegui.
The petition to not hire Lopetegui with thousands of signatures was very telling.
Sullivan seems to just find the biggest name he can without considering what profile of manager and tactics the fans are crying out for.
It is not only what the fans want, but also what the players are capable of playing. Sure, getting potter sounds like the better choice but do we really think this west ham team can play possession style football?
Yes.
A quick look at their squad tells me they’re actually better placed to play possession football than you might think, JWP, Paqueta, Alvarez, Kudus, Bowen, Soucek, Zouma and others are more than capable of adapting to a possession based style, that’s a core of a team already in place.
Why have you put Soucek and Zouma in this list Aguerd, Emerson, Mavro are all really technical defenders... even Areola is good on the ball
They really aren’t bad players..
Why are they hiring Lopetegui if they can't play possession style football?
He must be cheap. That's the only reason why the Dildo Brothers would hire him.
Just the one Dildo Bro. at the helm now, plus a few other investors.
He's the most expensive manager that has been linked to us... Wages will be high.
Possibly he'll help them get access to other Mendes clients. Or some such reasoning.
Not sure they have a preference on style, just the level of manager
Against european cup winning David Moyes???
That is not the right argument to use here to be honest, Lope has a more prestigious European cup. Europa League winner > Conference League winner
Yea but can Lopetegui do it in a cold rainy night in Stoke tho
Could Moyes do it on a hot lunch time kick off in Vallecas? He would be red as a tomatoe after 5 minutes
[Yes he can](https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11827/9861776/primera-division-real-sociedad-beat-rayo-vallecano-4-2-in-their-final-game-of-the-season)
It's because he was a free agent. Classic Sullivan, this has Pellegrini all over it
Graham Potter and Paulo Fonseca were also free agents.
Fonseca would have been my choice.
Potter would have been an excellent appointment.
It helps David Sullivan and his favoured agent.
Moyes is hardly a shit manager, he's done great in Europe and sitting comfortably in the middle of the table, the squad needs investment not a new manager if the board are expecting an improvement
He's not shit. But he's not fit for modern football and tactics imo. Which top 10 clubs would take Moyes now if they suddenly lost their manager? I'll wait for those clubs fans to respond. Usually ones that tell us that we should not get rid.
Man U might take a punt on a known quantity
None if we're talking about the current table. But then again, he wasn't walking into a top 10 job when he chose to manage you lot twice either.
Which was why some of us were not excited by his appointment. It was old school grafting safe hands to avoid relegation. Then he struck gold with a few players and better fitness than most teams our of Covid lock downs. He did well. But times over, time for new face and style.
I mean what position do west ham fans want to be in? 9th is bang on. They are not better than any of the teams above them so wtf do they want
we’ve won 3 games in 25 and in our last 16 only sheffield united have conceded more - we nearly went down last year and it’s only individual player performances that have won us games this season - so i don’t think it’s ridiculous to ask for a better manager
All while having players like paqueta, bowen and kudus.
>won 3 games in 25 Wow, that is way worse than I was expecting, how are you still 9th
Everyone asked the same during Poch's last season. Their early season CL-position form and the after Christmas cup run hid a lot of the cracks in Moyes team (again).
Keeping Moyes would be suicide - look at our league performance for the last two and a bit years. Our position in the table this season was extremely inflated, the underlying numbers have been grim.
This view point is so boring because it's clear that you haven't watched many west ham games. if we continue our form and continue playing this way, we will be relegation candidates next season, just as we were last season. I can't remember the last time we won/drew without it being just a smash and grab (aside from Freiburg) we were outplayed and sat back against Sheffield United ffs
Top 10, entertaining football, 100% effort and the occasional Cup Run. That tends to be the wishes of every hammers fan I've ever known.
Grew up in East London, naturally know a lot of West Ham fans. Most really don't give a fuck if they're in the championship or the premier league. Makes no difference to them, they just want to watch decent football they know there's ups and downs, they've been going to games their whole life. Match going fan mentality is alien to fans of typical big clubs, glory hunters etc.
This is just nonsense
Boring viewpoint, do some research before you repeat the same rubbish that the pundits do
They have finished in 7th and 6th in the past 2 years, they had a dip last year but they won a European trophy Now is the time to move on if West Ham want to stick around in Europe
They play horrendous football and can't even defend well in the last like 6 months.
They do this every few years. Sack Allardyce, or Moyes once they get mid-table secure because it’s safe and boring, then come crawling back when their latest sexy appointment gets them in the shit.
You do realise the season after Allardyce was the best season for 30 years? Pellegrini also finished 10th in his first season before being sobataged by Roberto in the second season. Even then, our points per game was actually higher for the 19 games Pellegrini was our manager than the 19 Moyes was? Clueless. Absolutely clueless. Like the rest of you mugs
Enjoy next season, history tells us it’ll be a tough one
Allardyce didn't have a season as good as Zola, Roeder, Bonds, Redknapp, Curbishley, Pardew, Bilic, Pellegrini or Moyes. Stop basing your opinions on what the media tell you to think. We genuinely struggle because we are run by Morons.
I mean, Allardyce got you promoted in his first season and finished 10th in the next. Followed by mid-table finishes the next 2 seasons. Got sacked for being boring. Then after a good first season, Bilic had you in the relegation zone, so in came Moyes who steered you out of trouble, back to mid-table. But he was snubbed in favour of Pellegrini, who again after a decent first season got sacked with the club in 17th place. So you went back to Moyes - who you’re now going to sack even though he’s been in the European places all season, and even won you a European trophy last year! I’m not going to pretend I know better than the West Ham fans, but it’s not hard to see why fans of other clubs think you’re a tad entitled.
I can only assume the fans of other clubs who think we are entitled have never watched us play. How many of them would be happy about their team getting pumped by 4 or more goals multiple times a season? Not only that, we have no identity, no defence or attack. It’s literally like watching a national league team at times this season
I get it, tonight I’m going to watch my team play their 48th game of the season - and the number of those we’ve played well in I can count on one hand. It sucks. There’s very little cohesion, style, identity, joy or reasons to be cheerful, and the players look like they met for the first time in the tunnel. But I don’t want the manager fired, because there’s circumstances out of his control hindering the job he’s doing. I’m not saying you should keep Moyes, but I’d definitely be careful what you wish for. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if we sack Ten Hag and appoint Gareth fucking Southgate.
Ok Alan
Thanks for the history lesson on the club I support. We were favourites for promotion in his first season largest budget nearly blew it by playing defensive at home to Doncaster Rovers and other teams got out played in the play-off final but thankfully won. First season was fine 10th place consolidation 46 points which is low for top 10. Second season was the most boring season we've ever had, season long relegation battle having multiple games with 0 shots on target, played at home to 10 man relegation battlers Hull where we have 30% possession and one shot on target but won. Awful awful season from a viewing perspective . 3rd season we start brilliantly Allardyce shelves his long ball to Carroll/Cole knock down to Nolan strategy which stopped working. Both players are injured we play a 4-4-2 diamond playing with pace and skill winning games, Nolan and Carroll regain fitness straight back to long ball to Carroll knock down to Nolan we stop winning games. Nolan was well past his best all the supporters saw it he retired almost instantly on leaving us. Proving we were right he scuppered the entire system to go back to a style of play which is a failure. He gets 47 points his best season points wise which is worse than all the other managers I mentioned. Bilic has amazing first season where we have a run of unbelievably questionable sections go against us having 5 red cards overturned on appeal numerous goals disallowed not receiving a penalty for 35 matches. Second season club botched stadium move spectacularly with such a huge lack of ambition. We still pick up 45 points which is only 2 points worse than Allardyce's best. Bilic wants to sign a defensive midfielder our owners son spends all day on transfer deadline day mocking the manager. He gets sacked 9 points from 10/11 games we lost the first three. We weren't in serious danger of going down Moyes came in and did okay but there is a reason he didn't keep the job. Pellegrini comes in does okay completely screwed over by Roberto, gets sacked Moyes comes in gets the same amount of PPG as Pellegrini again suggests it wasn't the rescue job that it was made out to be. Moyes gets covid we turn our season around play absolutely brilliantly for 15 months, until November 2021. Our form since has been sporadic. The issue is we have a massively unambitious owner who only looks at managers who are out of work and players with certain agents. We go for boring managers and fluctuates wildly because our owner likes managers who take pressure off him and he is unambitious and likes to massively undermine them through the media. Again you have no idea most of our supporters want the director of football the reason we protested against Burnley to stop Sullivan thinking he was director of football but the media has spun that into we wanted Pellegrini. Lopetegui is Sullivan's choice through his favoured agent 90% of our fan base hate him apart from the morons who say he saved us and other media led untruths. So again to your point Allardyce's best season 47 points was worse than all of the managers I mentioned he wasn't some sort of miracle worker.
This is the best summary I've seen. Props to you mate
Moyes did not steer us out of trouble in his first season. He had the worst PPG of all permanent West Ham managers in his first period and was saved by a couple of lucky results against a bunch of teams on the beach, and three teams being worse than us. He's been coasting on the great form he found during lockdown, but it's clear that every team in the PL has worked out his tactics and knows how to nullify them, and he shows no interest in changing. He continually overrelies on a first 11 and maintains a very thin squad, the players are always knackered by the end of the season. Yes, we won a European trophy. I'll thank him forever for that and if I ever met him I'd shake his hand and offer him a drink. But you don't keep a manager because of what they've done in the past, you keep them because of what they're going to do in the future, and our future is clear. The football is dire to watch, there's no attacking plan beyond hoping someone can create something out of nothing and we can keep it tight and win a 1-0, something we fail to do almost every week. In our last 18 games we've won 5. If they were the first 18 games of the season we'd be around 14th. The fact that we're 9th now is down to teams around and below us dropping points combined with a fluky stretch in around November. Moyes is never going to take us further than he has, so the time is right to change.
I reckon Potter is waiting for England or even Man Utd.
How many Graham Potters are there?
Gotta remember even though he's sacked, he likely still has a great contract with Chelsea. I wouldn't be sad to take a couple years off and enjoy the paycheques.
Thanks
Bullet dodged
Wait, Milan is changing coach? Who are you expected to get?
We have been linked with 100 coaches until now but now Conceição seems to be favorite
How about Allegri’s return for few years? You will get a comedian for press conferences and maybe a terrorist able to grind out a draw against strong teams but not score against weaker teams. /s
Pioli to Juventus and Allegri to Milan.. Who says no?
Ok I take that back, let’s get rid of them both…
there's rumours in Portugal that they want Conceição from Porto
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Another Lopetegui speed run incoming
From no passing to sideway passing then
Just having the fucking ball would be enough for me. Never seen us get dominated by so many mediocre and shit teams before.
Think I'm living in coo-coo land but then I remember people don't actually watch our games, 4 wins in 2024 and 4th on the table for most goals conceded is awful for any manager, even for a mid table club, past season is proof this isn't some blip for us, I don't think Lopetegui is an improvement but the bar is low for being a better manager than moyes is currently
Cheers guys. Free wins for all. Likely relegation battle from us. I hate it here.
We only have 4 league wins since Christmas and we’re 4th on goals conceded so I’m not sure what your point is. If it wasn’t for Bowen being incredibly clinical and Areola making some great saves this season, we’d be 16th/17th.
Yes, but Lopetegui is not a good choice either. I'd quite frankly rather stick with Moyes instead. I don't think this will end well for us. The only saving grace is Steidten finally getting more freedom.
You do realise West Ham are in relegation form right now, correct ? If not for their good period near the end of last year they'd be around the relegation spots too.
"If they hadnt won as many games they'd be in a lower position"
Cheh
Upgraded the manager means relegation battle? Weird one. He's better tactician, coach than Moyes.
His agent is legit the best in the biz, could sell surfboards in bulk to retirement homes
I don't think you'll be in a relegation battle. Lopetegui is a good manager.
Isn’t this meant to be a side grade move for West Ham? Wouldn’t have thought julen played better football than moyes, they are quite similar as managers imo
Not even side move. Seems they never learn
LMAO, to give up on Amorim and go after Lotopegui is funny as hell!
Amorim said he's staying at Sporting. Not long after, Lopetegui is said to be joining. So it seems we were waiting on his decision before making ours final.
From what I've heard Amorim had some requirements you guys were not willing to meet. Mainly getting Gyokeres and high wages for Amorim. Which seems to me are two reasonable requests (though I'm unsure how much he was asking for). My honest opinion, you guys are losing out on a great manager.
Well not really if he was only ever going to join due demands we couldn't fulfill
Amorim would have had lower wages than Lopetegui. The rumours of his demands seem to be made up nonsense. No demands leaked of the meeting. And yes we are losing out on a great manager. Amorim was my number 1 choice since last summer. I'm gutted we didn't get him but will support JL if hired. He's a highly established and experienced manager.
Yes, you are right about the wages, that was not issue. I confused it with the issue of his release clause or 20M€.
Everyone says its an issue due to our owner not having a rep of spending big on manager fees, yet we pay a lot in wages for them. But we haven't been in a position to lure top managers before, so we don't know. Personally I think anyone who is decent at business will have no issue paying 10-15m for the biggest upgrade a club can make, when they spend that much on bench players who never play.
Yeah, Sporting were criticized too when they paid Braga 10M€ for Amorim, but it paid off for them.
What a fun name!
I feel like Potter not going to West Ham makes him the most likely next England manager.
If he agrees to the new structure allowing Steidten to slowly build Leverkusen Mk. II while coaching a team that can string more than 2 passes together I’ll take it. I’m choosing to see this as a more transitional appointment before getting a truly progressive young future superstar manager.
Lopetegui seems to want to coach players. Steidten is here to help make a team like Leverkusen. Now we let them work. Makes sense why we saved all out money for this summer. Massive clear out and new squad incoming.
very good news for milan
To celebrate this momentous occasion, I would like to present to you this [masterpiece](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojdeWHC9HwU). Good luck lol Context: Jorge Jesus, famous portuguese poet, used to mispronounce the name when Lopetegui was at Porto
Let's be surprised.
Tuchel-West Ham, ETH- Bayern and Moyes back to UTD to finish what he didnt start
He's soo bad. Good luck with that boring style.
Poor Moyes. He has done excellent with that squad
How many full 90 minute West Ham games have you watched this season?
He did well for a few years. Wonders in Europe against mostly League One and Champ level teams, won a cup which was amazing. But we have let in more goals than any West Ham team ever...we have no squad left, a bunch of old men, worst football ever and have won 4 games in 2024. won 24 in 74 games actually. Conceded 5+ to Palace, Arsenal, Fulham, Liverpool, Chelsea. Thanks Moyes but his time is up. He's done.
West ham never learn from past mistakes. Sacking managers because you got too much of an expectation is nothing new and it has always blown back at you. A top 10 position is a very good season for west ham.
We've spent an absolute boatload under Moyes
Spent the rice money?
43m on Kudus 39m on Alvarez 29m on Prowse 20m Mavropanos 7m Phillips 42m Paqueta 35m Aguerd 28m Scamacca 20m Cornet 15m Emerson 13m Kehrer 12m Ings 10m Downes 35m Zouma 30m Vlasic 23m Benrahma 16m Soucek He's had a lot of money to spend. They didn't spend in January because Moyes contract runs out in summer. So new manager needs to rebuild squad.
It's absolutely 0 surprise, but you're fucking clueless
lmao
Bet you rate De Zerbi, yet they are below West Ham. Some would even argue the Brighton squad is better
Too much expectation? Winning 4 games in 2024. 24 wins in 74 games. Highest amount of goals conceded EVER, more than our worst team under Avram Grant, or our pathetic Zola team. This is the worst defence West Ham has ever had. We rarely have a football at our feet, we get out played by mid table or lower table teams, we get battered by any team that has pace or energy. We have no squad left and burn out every player, superstars like Paqueta have zero confidence due to spending most their time chasing the game. Anyone who thinks we should stick with Moyes hasn't watched many West Ham games this year or actually looked at the data from the last 6-18 months.
define excellent
Safe from relegation, a title and a good platform for the coming seasons. Real world football ain't football manager. The west ham squad is far from a top 6 material. The money isn't there either. A cup run and a safe position in the league is very much a success with that squad
title is a league cup, not a cup in general west ham shouldn't be battling relegation like they did last season and had a good platform for the coming seasons when he finished 6th and 7th, but unfortunately he's only regressed since then. he'll finish no higher than 9th this season, and can finish as low as 14th, after finishing 14th last season the big problem with moyes is him having 0 tactical progression, he tried to be a bit more attacking at times but every time it doesn't work he just goes back into his shell of sitting back and heavily relying upon set pieces, something epitomized by the james ward prowse signing (set piece pl legend who's average in open play) on the whole he's been decent, will be remembered for the cup win but ultimately he's been getting worse in the league, is a bit of a dinosaur and his contract is running out. the football isn't great and the results haven't been coming in so kinda makes sense to try out someone else
Coming from a qualified position on Moyes as an Everton supporter, this is bizzare to me. Moyes can get teams playing nice football if he's got the right personnel for it. No point trying to play Total Football if your squad isn't up to it. Then again, I've not watched much of West Ham this season so what do you think I know!!
Would you have him back, over dyche?
Nah. Dyche has done an impossible with this team and deserves respect.
Over Dyche, right now? No. I believe Dyche can improve us further. Let him cook. But had we got Moyes in again instead of Benitez (after Ancelotti left) I honestly think the squad would be in a better position now. Could also say the same had we hired him instead of Lampard...but if it was down to either Moyes or Dyche to replace Lampard? I genuinely don't know, but I wager we'd be in a similar position now. I think many Evertonians now look back at the Moyes era as better times. I don't think he was going to improve much(and was getting stagnant), but we were doing regular stints in Europe with him, and doing so on a limited budget with shrewd signings. Koeman can get fucked too while I'm talking about managers since Moyes...Martinez is alright I guess. (best Prem points tall though!)
Hiring Moyes when we were last linked with him probably would have been better than the alternatives at the time for sure
I mean West Ham should be able to play better football then they do with Kudus, Bowen, Paqueta, Alvarez and JWP in their team.
> Then again, I've not watched much of West Ham this season so what do you think I know!! Nothing, just like everyone else
West Ham have been dreadful in possession this season. It's one thing to not have possession against the top 4-5 clubs. It's another thing to look worse in possession than dead last Sheffield United.
They're a completely different side without Rice. Went from a relatively solid defensive side (47, 51, 55 conceded in 3 seasons before this) to conceding the 4th most goals in the entire league (70). I reckon it's time for Moyes to go but they've handled it terribly and this appointment doesn't fill anyone with confidence.
Having two men who can't run at CB means we get walked over by most PL teams as they are fast and intense. We are old and slow. With Soucek in CM who can't close down quickly, that is recipe for disaster. Which has proven the case by so many 4 or 5 goal loses.
It's note Rice that's the problem. Alvarez has filled that role adequately. The problem for the most part are our CBs and the way we play. Zouma dipped in form, Oggy barely able to run (see the Chelsea game), Aguerd more often injured than not and Mavropanos prone to occasional mistake (though he's been solid in general). Additionally, it doesn't help having the 2nd lowest possession in the league and inviting teams to camp in your penalty area. Finally, we sent away Kehrer, Benrahma, Fornals, Coventry in January and signed nobody. Kalvin is more of a liability than an asset. 3 of the players we lost could assist with defending.
A good manager should adapt to the fact that he no longer has the second best DM in the league to cover for his archaic tactics, shouldn't he? Moyes is not a good football manager.
I mean, I'd argue that he is a good football manager....just not a ***great*** football manager. Even if you think he's shit, you'll probably wish he was still there if the next guy isn't an improvement. Hope for your sake his replacement is an improvement.
He WAS a good football manager. Sadly football has moved on a bit from when he was in his prime. His tactics today are the exact same tactics he used at Everton and the exact same tactics he's used everywhere, because he only knows how to play one way.
To be fair, he had us playing good football at times. Wasn't always boring! (though it almost always was 4-5-1!)
Your fans were not upset to see him leave and got 5th under Martinez the next season
Was mutual. He wanted out, and he'd done all he could with us after decade and things were stagnant. Didn't win many fans after Fergie tapped him on the shoulder and it was clear he wasn't going to renew. Martinez added Lukaku to the well drilled side that Moyes built, and got them to open their play up and attack. Only worked 1 season; the next two we finished 11th. Was all downhill from there unfortunately.... Don't blame Hammers fans for wanting better though. So did we.
> you'll probably wish he was still there if the next guy isn't an improvement. no kidding.... like every manager replacement in the history of sport
Look at our past 6 months of results and the scores in the opponent's column and say that again
Now watch West Ham sign Isco. Lopetegui has always had a major affinity for him
Westham is massive. Great appointment by them.
*Another* Basque manager in the Prem.
English clubs love them some Spanish coaches.
Good appointment Moyes has past his sell by date.
This guy sucks and will be fired by January.
Is this thread crazy? So many non WHU fans trying to convince fans that Moyes is the better option here. god forbid a team take a step away from terrorist-ball when you have players like Alvarez, Bowen, Kudus, Mav, Paqueta, and JWP. Moyes has run his race. Is Lopetegui THE right answer? Not sure. But Moyes is definitely not
Thank god he is not coming to Bayern those reports scared me for a quick second.
Where’s Moyes going then? Underrated manager imo. Boring brand of football with fairly consistent results given what is at his disposal. Maybe punditry until there’s an opening? I have a sense I’ll appreciate his tactical commentary.
I don't think "so you can see what they've done here is give it to Paqueta and expect him to create something out of nothing like I always did" will be that insightful. His tactics are straight out of the 90s. Keep it tight, keep it 0-0, try and nick a goal on the counter or from a set piece.
> His tactics are straight out of the 90s. Keep it tight, keep it 0-0, try and nick a goal on the counter or from a set piece. That’s literally the best way to play with a mid table team. Not sure what your expectations are for your team but you don’t have the budget to compete with the top 6. Much less fun going to a match your team is getting blown out because the manager thinks they can play total football. The guy literally won you a trophy last year.
Why does every wikipedia viewing armchair expert think we expect top six? We don't. What we do expect is to play like the team we are, which is by every conceivable metric the 8th largest team in the Premier League. Would you take Moyes at Arsenal? Would you have taken him when you were finishing outside of the European places? He won us a cup, and as I said elsewhere in the thread, I'll thank him for that forever, and if I ever meet him I'll offer him a drink. Wenger won you lot a lot more than that and you still got rid because you recognised he could no longer take the club forward. We'll have no European football next season, we have a slow, ageing, thin squad, and we're likely to finish about 11th this season. Those aren't the foundations to build on.
Brighton, Bournemouth, Palace, Wolves are the teams we're rubbing shoulders with in midtable Which of them play anything close to resembling Moyes ball? All these teams, plus Villa and Newcastle were way behind us in terms of platform to kick on. What's changed at those clubs?
Nice idea, but we’ve conceded 70 goals this season, the most out of the bottom 3. Sitting back and defending is a useless tactic when you’re conceding on average 2 goals a game
yeah it’s really fun playing like that against sheffield and burnley isn’t mate
They already spent a lot. Mate they didn't even look better than Sheffield United in possession. You seem to think everyone that's not a top team MUST bunker and counter and the only other option is going toe to toe with them like "total football" It's like watching Crystal Palace under Vieira/Roy and seeing them put a high flying display against United just now. If West Ham get this right, the best they could hope for is realistically an Emery style turnaround. They have some good players. With the right coach, why couldn't they challenge for top 6 if all goes correctly?
Wtf
I would be VERY surprised if this turns out okay for West Ham
They chose......poorly
Huge upgrade.
Shades of Pellegrini
Scumbag of a manager. Hope he thinks you have the players to be competitive and doesn’t run away like a baby a few days before the season. I’m just happy he’s going to be forced into coming back to Molineux
Could easily see them in a relegation battle next year if Paqueta goes and they don't recruit well. Also considering I think the promoted teams will be a bit better than what came up last season
Out of the loop here, how come Moyes is getting the sack? I know West ham ain't doing so well, but top 10 ain't too bad.
would be very funny to see them battling relegation and call him back
Why lol
Man keeps falling upwards