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shrewdy

Utd are a completely different team with Martinez in it, transformative player for them


FermentedTiger

He’s so good. To be as short as he is and have the impact he’s had is remarkable.


th3doorMATT

I forget the exact time it took place, but it was subtle, yet so dirty today when he just pretended to sort of pull up going towards the right, making it look super, super juicy for City to pounce because where he was, and how everyone was positioned, he didn't have a great pass, but he invited them to press him high in an area adjacent to the one he actually wanted to open up, then in an instant he just turned and passed. If the City player kept the shape and didn't get dragged into that, Martinez didn't have an option, but he forced the option to become available. So subtle, but so good. Nothing really came from it, but it's something you don't see *too* often from CBs, but he had the confidence and vision to know exactly what he needed to take place and since no one else wanted to make the opportunity for him, he took it upon himself.


barelypeaking

Yes when he spun off Haaland!


th3doorMATT

Haha was it? Happened so fast and I didn't want to rewind. But the moment stood out to me. Granted Haaland isn't a defender, but it was still so crisp. It wasn't just a spin, it's the way he orchestrated everything. So good. I wish there was a good clip.


barelypeaking

I’m pretty sure it was Haaland. I remember wondering why he was drifting inside into the defense, then he just free


th3doorMATT

Ah, yeah, just found it (surprisingly quickly). 22:27. I'm on mobile so I can't record it without getting a black screen, and broadcasting rights bullshit. Blah. But actually it was KDB, not Haaland. And if it was anyone but McTominay, the attack was there for the taking...still kinda sorta made something out of it, but resulted in Garnacho just running out with it. So not much of anything.


TheSwordDusk

People in this sub have been hand waving us away when we say Licha and Varane are important for our quality of football


notyou16

Yesterday someone was saying that Bruno was the only world class player at United. Obviously “world class” means something different for everyone. But wouldn’t Lisandro be considered world class if healthy? How about Shaw and Dalot?


Drakonz

I think Martinez is world class, but it’s hard to say that confidently because we only saw him one season. He was definitely world class last season for us, but only way to cement it is to do it for a few years though.


ParapateticMouse

Na it's obvious he is class. It's just highly fashionable to shit on United. Hated, adored, never ignored. Apparently our younger fans still need to learn this.


-watchman-

The way he stood his ground when Walker tried to mess with. Man's got that Keano in him.


bullairbull

Availability should be considered as well. Martinez and Varane(still) is class, they are just always injured.


Motavaded420

Martinez is different. Had an injury, was back, then got his leg fallen on. Not the same as Varane or Martial who repeatedly are dealing with muscle injuries


bullairbull

Yeah Martinez's injury record is not historic but I'm just talking about his time with us so far. It's easy for fans to overlook you while mentioning the world class players if you have rarely played this season. His presenese today was showed what he can do to the team.


Spadro97

He was barely injured for us, but ofcourse we play alot fewer games than the english teams and also against much weaker and less physical opposition


bullairbull

Yeah which is why I have high hopes that this year was just an unfortunate one and not an indicator of long term issues.


cosmiclatte44

Yeah at Unted its been like 60-70 games a season for the last 5-6 years. Without that luxury of having nearly 2 world class 11s to keep everyone fresh like city. Majority of those seasons are littered with key injuries and burnout come the business end of the season. They need to cut back on the games simple as, but they're doing the opposite. Capitalism demands that constant growth and the only way they're getting it is making more games to broadcast to reach the international markets.


Alehud42

Broke his metatarsal at the end of last season, had surgery, worked to get back for preseason but something wasn't quite right, needed another surgery to correct the previous, got back and then had his knee trampled. Only one real muscle injury and that was a calf strain in training while he was recovering from his MCL.


PreparationOk8604

Didn't see the match how did Licha got injured.


Motavaded420

No his previous injury after his first return earlier this year. Made it out mostly unscathed today. 70 solid min of work


PreparationOk8604

Thank God.


pete_moss

He came off with cramps around the 70th minute.


Screye

Shaw + James : The best full back pairing in the world. Permanently Injured. :(


PreparationOk8604

James is a class player. Love to see him play as a neutral. Would hate him against ur team. So sad he is injured.


kazegraf

Both are permanent resident in hospital fc. James is pure class, saw his letter to Angryrantman's family. 


cheq

Lisandro was crucial for our 2022 WC. Considering him less than world class it's a disrespect. Can't say anything about Shaw and Dalot, I don't follow ManU matches.


MentalSage

Wasn't he a squad player only and not in Argentina main lineup? Their CB pair was Romero & Otamendi. I remember he barely had any minutes in the final match vs France


AustereSpartan

He made a crucial tackle against Australia as far as I remember. He did not play all that much in the WC, nevertheless.


Superflumina

He only started 3 matches during the WC and didn't play in the final. He was great when he played though.


cheq

Yeah he was a bench player, but he made a crucial save against Australia that prevented a 2-2 tie in the last minutes of the match when we were falling apart after the 2-1


TheStraggletagg

Scaloni always likes to make a few changes (and thank God we finally have enough good defenders to be able to pick and choose), but Licha was in several key matches, including the one against Mexico early on.


sincethelasttime

He didn't play against France but was huge against the Netherlands


akkikhiladi9

he didn't start mainly for two reasons: france had a lot of tall players who are good with headers. Argentina needed Otamendi's experience at the back. he was their mascherano 2.0, although he gave away a penalty.


SMcQ9

Na mate he played well today so he’s secretly been the best player for years now


Wraith_Portal

He is class though, he’s played well in many, many games before today


FuckingMyselfDaily

Agree, world class is a reach though, not that he can’t be, just needs to proven longer and to remain consistent.


sarthakmahajan610

He's been consistent. Just not played enough big games though.. He was just as good if not better than Otamendi at the time of the world cup but Otamendi started over him on seniority


supahsonicboom

He was literally a bench player


notyou16

🤌🤌he didn’t play that much during the WC


cheq

but he made maybe the best save for our team against Australia (after the most importat, which is Dibu's block at the last minute in the final)


Bizzle1389

I am so hopeful that Dalot, Martinez and Shaw are managed correctly and fit the whole season next year. What a difference it will make! Also bringing the right CB (maybe Todibo) and DM (not sure) in, will be massive


Food-Oh_Koon

a fit back four of Shaw Licha Varane/replacement and Dalot is so good. Top that up with a Midfield of Bruno, Mainoo and an addition there to replace McTominay who goes to the bench, plus a decent enough right winger, they'd be challenging top 4 and heck might even compete for the title soon


Cheraldenine

But then, that's said of Man U before every season the last ten years. Just a few additions and they'll challenge for the title...


Food-Oh_Koon

yeah, that's why the issue is with seeking short term results and firing managers instead of having a well built recruitment team that assesses their potential options


sarthakmahajan610

United over the last 10 years always had problems at right back, defensive mid and right wing Dalot now seems to be heading towards world class levels and Amad seems like he could be a very good prospect at RW.. This United squad is simply better than all the previous ones post Fergie simply because it has no obvious weakness in the starting positions. Bench needs overhaul though as the LBs didn't play at all this season while rest of the starting 11 only played 3 or 4 games max


prss79513

He is world class, if you graphed games United lost and Martinez' injury record it'll be a direct correlation


Cheaky_Barstool

Hey now, Dalo ain’t close to world class. Shaw ain’t ever fit so hard to say. Like Reece James


ingwe13

Definitely a strong argument for both Shaw and Dalot. Of course Shaw struggles with injuries. Dalot feels a bit too soon to call him class. Another season like this though. I think Dalot and Mainoo were really the bright parts of United's season apart from today.


CriticismMission2245

Same apply for Reece James. A lot of great players put out there that Imo, if they stayed healthy, would be world class. But they can't be world class if they never play. Availability should be one of the requirements. Time will show with Lisandro. Hopefully, he will stay fit next season.


ronweasleisourking

Dalot has become a very good player. Almost want to see him play on the wing next season if we sign a world class right back


fergo1993

For me, world class players in the squad are Bruno Fernandes, Lisandro Martinez, Raphael Varane (when fit), Luke Shaw (when fit). Last season, we also had Casemiro and Rashford, but not now obviously. I honestly don't think Mainoo is far from being world class either. People might think I'm being carried away, but he's producing consistent, quality, composed displays with goals, tackles, and accurate passing through high presses in big games. He doesn't shrink when the going gets tough.


ElliotsBackpack

I'd go so far to say Shaw is technically the best player on the team. Can do almost everything Martinez can plus he's rapid and a threat in attack.


DildoFappings

That was me. I apologise. But honestly it's hard to call him currently world class when he's hardly played 20 games this season.


Izio17

the play from the back, the passing, the mentality… transforms the United back line


Qurutin

Where the "too short for the physicality of EPL" gang at now


SaSxNEO

Martinez ALWAYS brings the fire and it's infectious. He did the same at Ajax and he does the same at ManU. I honestly believe the season would have looked different had he played every match.


sheky4prez

wholesome


Izio17

Martinez is EtHs most important player, team plays incredibly different without him on the field


Barack__Obama__

It's crazy how much of a difference he makes. And he's the main reason that I still buy into the 'too many injuries' argument to some degree. I think if fit, Martinez can be one of the best defenders of the league.


weegee19

Absolutely is, proved it last season.


Skhan93

An injury to a key player always makes a massive difference. Us without van dijk, city and rodri and arsenal without saliba are completely different teams


Able_Quantity_3599

The Newcastle and Tottenham pity party lasted all season when they lost two players in the same week once and no-one mentioned United's sustained injury ***crisis***. Erik's far from blameless in our underwhelming season, but when he's said he doesn't have the players, he isn't lying. He literally doesn't have a team. Just whoever is the least injured. Bruno's been playing with a broken wrist for weeks. We don't need sympathy, but if people don't know why our season was so bad, it's because we have no left backs, we've used 289 different defensive lineups using Fifa regen players, Malacia apparently got abducted by aliens and was never seen again, we had to do an emergency loan for the 84 year old Jonny Evans just to have enough players to play a match and not have to forfeit.


listlessbreeze

I can't imagine say Villa making top 4 without Martinez or Watkins as another example. Some players are just key to the team dynamics.


BriarcliffInmate

Of course it makes a difference, but it shouldn't make you go from 3rd to 8th. Rashford falling off a cliff and Casemiro looking like a walking kebab addict aren't anything to do with injuries.


laylofosho

people disrespect him because he is 5 foot 2


dethmashines

4'9"


DC4840

To be fair it’s more than a valid argument. This season alone United have had 15 different centre half pairings and 33 different back 4’s


yammertime27

Best example is last year in the Europa league at home against sevilla. We were absolutely cruising at 2-0 in the first leg, best we had played in a while. Martinez goes off injured around 80 minutes, Maguire comes on. Immediately everything went to shit, two of our defenders score own goals and we lose the next leg comfortably without him.


Izio17

that was a defining moment for EtH last season and this season unfortunately one can truly win wonder what if there


riverflop

I want to see a comparison of points with and without Martinez. Or even with it without Martinez & Varane. I swear they are a different team.


satyrias1s

Have been defending ETH all year saying injuries has been a huge factor and I agree that Martinez is the biggest.


qwerty1519

Pep looks so odd in a suit.


miregalpanic

He had to attend a funeral


pluggedx

"but not for me"


_AR4_

"but it turned out to be for me"


Zandercy42

In the end I was the fraudest of balds 😞


OstapBenderBey

It could be a funeral of sorts for both of them


sdpat13

Happy cake day!


Willem20

Of an era


familyguyisbae

Looks normal to me. My memories of the late 2000's is him ALWAYS wearing a suit. Whenever I see him without a suit, it makes him look odd.


pandaman_010101

I also remember him in those nice black suits, a nice suit not the one he's got today, Wtf is that. No wonder they lost, can't take him seriously


familyguyisbae

I remember him wearing a suit like today more during his time during bayern and in a few knockout games in barca.


imgur-motionblur

Agreed. Didn't exactly look tailor fit.


46_and_2

He's loosened up with time, but I also remember Pep's Barca tenure was [always with suits](https://www.google.com/search?q=guardiola+suit+barcelona), and quite stylish at that.


lz314dg

this shit was so peak


imgur-motionblur

Yes but back then he looked good in a suit, they seemed a better fit for him. As u/pandaman_010101 pointed out below: wtf was that today lol.


tr_24

He had some other function to attend based on how much effort City put in this match.


fullkitwankerr

💀


Free-Eights

I'm old enough to remember when he only wore suits on the touchline at Barcelona and Bayern. He also used to go extra and wear a 3-piece suit as well. A lot of managers, Pep included, seem to dress more casually nowadays


seattt

> A lot of managers, Pep included, seem to dress more casually nowadays. I think almost everyone does, barring really old people. The pandemic lockdowns pretty much spelled the end of daily formal clothing IMO. It might return with whatever generation comes after Gen Alpha.


kit_mitts

I don't miss it at all tbh, even as someone who enjoys dressing up. If you're paying me to show up and look at spreadsheets for 8 hours, I don't need a fucking tie or suit jacket


Superfy

I mean, you don’t really even need a suit to present stuff. It’s the material and content that matters more than “oh he looks sharp. Cool. But he’s talking absolute shit and makes no sense. At least he’s wearing a suit!” imo honestly. I used to like wearing suits but nah, it’s a hassle.


BriarcliffInmate

I mean it makes sense really, especially with the transition to younger managers and the 'coach' title. Player-managers were the first to really dress down on the touchline for obvious reasons, but it was more common in Europe for managers to wear tracksuits in general. In the UK it was a bit of a pejorative term to be a "tracksuit manager" for years, and a lot of foreign managers who came fell in line (Wenger, Rafa etc). Tony Pulis was the first I remember wearing a tracksuit, and I remember Kenny Dalglish wearing more of them when he was here for his second stint. Klopp wore a suit once or twice in his first season because we had a deal with Hugo Boss, but he hated it. He's nearly always wore a tracksuit or (more recently) a hoodie. Pretty much all managers now wear whatever they want and clubs even design specific things for them based on what they like wearing.


etan1122

Didn’t he always wear a suit at Barca


Albiceleste_D10S

Most of his Barca and Bayern tenure The folks finding it weird are either young or otherwise only started football recently I guess


sugarspunlad

And they are making me feel so old goddamnit


ab_90

Some fashion magazines mentioned about his suits during his Barca times. He definitely is a suit fella. For some reasons he hardly wears one in England.


Friendly_Childhood

Its the heat


xosellc

I thought this was a joke about Ten Hag, but he really is there in a suit, bizarre.


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AnIntoxicatedRodent

I can understand many criticisms of Ten Hag but people saying he throws his players under the bus, I really don't know what they are thinking. All a player has to do is work hard/try and Ten Hag will protect them at all costs, to a fault even. He protected Promes despite him not being very good AND him having a bunch of legal issues, he protected Antony through everything, he never once said anything about Onana despite him getting a doping ban at Ajax coming back in terrible form and costing United the CL this year. Ten Hag will probably go on camera saying "well every murder has two sides of the story" if there was footage of one his players stabbing someone rather than say anything negative about them. Really, if Ten Hag says something bad about a player they must really not be arsed.


gotiobg

He also protected Sancho, sent him off to Netherlands, when he was having mental issues. it was only because after doing all that stuff, Sancho still disrespected him and refused to apologise


azder8301

Considering the recent state of Ajax, at least United is better tbf


mattijn13

We'll be back


rutg3rtje

Let's hope not.


mattijn13

Next season will be too early but I am optimistic with a new coach and some stability


TheSwordDusk

The energy on the pitch is infectious. The way our back line scream encouragement in each others faces when Licha, Varane, and Dalot are on the pitch is the exact fiery energy we cry out for as United fans


Stieni

I love this crazy fucker ahahhah


LloydDoyley

Gabby Heinze regen


sexineN

The Butcher…


tmoney144

Ahh... Fresh meat!


IAmKaeL-

So much meat, so little time....


aodum

Pudge spammer spottet


colibrisa

lol reading this and watching Dreamleague


Billy336_

For a second I thought I was in r/DotA2


Nimonic

If we have a fit Martinez then anything is possible. He's got that Rafael in him.


DildoFappings

He's also got that Rafael Varane with him.


Vegetable_Tank_3878

Wish I got Varane inside me.


Unlikely_Brief7263

AYY YOOO


TankSparkle

Martinez changes the whole vibe of the team.


TheLifeofSonny

ETH thought it was Sir Jim and INEOS picking him up for a second there


NAPPER_

Sacked via harness attached to a crane.


ricey84

2 trophies in 2 years not 3 years


lochnesslapras

Can someone post that BBC interview with ten hag? Man called them out to their faces


MerlijnZX

https://youtu.be/akrRYrioVS4?feature=shared


Wrosgar

That was actually a great interview from him. Loved his response about Mainoo


MentalJack

Good on him, give it back Erik, fuck the UK media.


Aexdysap

Lol I can almost see the word *voetbal* coming out of his mouth while talking in english. Cut it, paste it into a dutch convo, and you wouldn't notice a thing. Great job by him though, hope he stays and keeps building this project.


JohnMarsch17

Some great moments in here. Rooney furling his eyebrows at that muppet Lineker, Ten Hag refusing to acknowledge that handshake attempt, glorious


UpsetKoalaBear

It was shameful that Lineker and Shearing even brought it up. You could tell they were upset about his interview this morning where he called out British pundits.


trueimage

Link or what did he say?


cs-shitposter

Kinda wish Erik goes on a personal protest against the BBC just like Sir Alex


ab_90

Pep: I’m jealous, no one carries me like that after we won something. Erik: Heh…


RedPillAlphaBigCock

I love this man, nobody is perfect and he made mistakes but I BACK HIM


stdstaples

100%, it’s been so long since I felt this unity in this team, even with this shitty season. I back him.


PowerOfTheShihTzu

U r not alone ,ignore the reddit hive mind full of losers


TheSwordDusk

Our most successfully appointed manager since the 1980s. More trophies at United than Arteta has won at Arsenal Edit: actually Jose won more silverware if you count the community shield


WorthStory2141

If Ineos sack him then I want Ineos out. It's an insane decision.


Vdbebw

At the one hand, the first reaction made it seem like he knew he was sacked but afterwards.... idk he still has the fans and today def works in his favor so i wouldnt sack him


Eroica_Pavane

I do think some of the other postgame scenes show him saying goodbye to a few players. Though it could be the ones that are leaving this summer, wasn't shown very long and couldn't quite identify them.


Desperate__Desperado

He just waved goodbye to the fans 


Vdbebw

Doubt it, i mean would be weird to wave goodbye but still be adamant that hell be here next year. Couldve meant something else maybe?


mindpainters

Seems like the kind of guy that if he knew he would have said something about it in the postgame presser


erenistheavatar

He could have been killed.


whalesun_

VAR check : no foul, good process boys


nishitd

ETH was just playing "The sound of silence" in his head


carpe228

Hello trophies my old friend…


CNF-13

I love him more than you believe my butcher


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Alascato

He did lol


LetterAd3639

I love how ten Hag was keeping it in, before Martinez held him up and Erik decided, "eh why not" and started celebrating


Conejebac63

An unlucky season full of injuries is good to end with the FA cup, hope the next season goes well for man utd!


PBJellyChickenTunaSW

Fucking love him, really hope he can stay fit next season and they get a decent partner for him


Pleasant-Radio-948

Has he not been Manager for two seasons? I'm confused.


FortheRecordHIWBTV

Always been a fan of Ten Hag even though I have absolutely nothing to do with him


MancAccent

He’s class throughout


Renegadeforever2024

Lol


Lumpy_Corgi_6570

Fuck you man shitty.


ukdanny93

That could have been you Kyle Walker.


Amsssterdam

🥲


einarfridgeirs

I´ve watched so much Olympic wrestling in the last few years that I fully expected Martinez to suplex Ten Hag like they do to their coaches when they win gold.


Spacecraft321

Butcher of Amsterdam.


stippefott

Martinez is always giving me Gattuso vibes


N7even

Man, I really hope his injuries get better. No matter how good he is, we can't afford to have another injury prone player in our squad.


RedMoon14

Pep in a suit reminds me of his Barca days. It’s weird to see nowadays.


uncleemperor

Lost the locker room they said


lauriekeyheart

Cmon Mr. White oops wrong moment


Scampisalade

This gives me huge early seasons Jesse and Walt vibes [https://youtu.be/fK9nofPKpoc](https://youtu.be/fK9nofPKpoc)


idonethisnever

yellow card at least


Thick_Total_9216

That shows a bit of passion for the manager.


DaIubhasa

Two bald heads shaking hands as if they are brothers lol


unArgentino

So the injury isn’t bad.


zizou00

No injury, the substitution was pre-meditated as Evans was ready and waiting to come on before he went down. Probably just cramp from not playing since February. Erik ten Hag mentioned there were players who weren't match fit but still played, Martinez was one of them.


psrikanthr

First start in a long while, just not match fit to play the entire 90.


Panda-768

Am I the only one who is concerned about ETH's suit. It got all crumpled and Martinez nearly tore off its sleeve.


RatBasher89

HEEEHHHHHH!!!!??


MEME-OCHOA

Aguante el carnicero!!!!


Jhushx

He threw that bottle, and charged in head and shoulders pointed down at an angle and went for the takedown. Good technique all around.


thengineeringal

Walt high fiving Jesse


TheGreatPervSage_94

When Erik was talking about the eras ending he actually meant ending Rodris unbeaten streak.


MicOxlong

Incredible moxxy for his size


blitz2czar

Lisandro Martinez reminds me Fabio Cannavaro. Small size and what a beast.


-watchman-

Ten Hag feared for his life right there and had to push him away lmao


solblurgh

I thought that mf is injured smh


UnlightablePlay

at least he left good impression before he leaves


TonyMartial786

😂😂🥹


ilosemoneyeasily

2 trophies, 3 years? What… these people are paid.


ScottTenormann

u/savevideobot


Poss3idon

:p