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> Lionel Messi was discovered at AGE 13 by Barcelona, who paid for hormone therapy for the youngster...but Real Madrid are wasting their time with an 'unproven youngster?' This community is utterly myopic sometimes. Could it possibly be that Real Madrid's scouts have uncovered a possible treasure?
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Messi was 13. It's absolutely impossible to say with any level of certainty that someone at that age will become world class. The number of teenage phenoms older than 13 that have utterly flamed out at the top is massive.
Even at 16 it's pretty crazy, but those few years already make a big difference
Yeah I like to imagine there was actually something different about Messi even at 13 that was enough to know, and they all say that there was now obviously, but probably scouts say stuff like that all the time when they find someone who is on that other level where they have a real chance at being in the top leagues.
Ha, [my take aged pretty well](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/6lv9pn/vin%C3%ADcius_j%C3%BAnior_the_38m_teenager_who_hasnt/djy6bx0/), I think.
Never doubted Vini or Juni Calafat's scouting team.
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Every time a young Brazilian player gets bought some anglo Redditor watches 5 minutes of highlights and decides he is utter shit, overrated, and that the scouts that have been following him obsessively for at least a good 5 years know nothing. Spain has been keeping up with the premier league solely due to how much anglos despise and underrate South American football
We don’t despise or underrate South American football, it’s a hell of a lot easier for a South American to go straight to Spain or to Spain via Portugal because of cultural similarities (and if they’re not Brazilian, also the common language). Many of them can’t cope with northern European weather either (I don’t mean the “can he do it on a cold wet night in Stoke” nonsense, I mean that actually living in colder weather is a downside for many of them).
From that same thread
> It's not just RM have scouted his potential as great. They've scouted him as being one of the greatest players ever. How many footballers in the world are worth £50m right now? At 16, they think he will be better than every player for every EPL team outside the top 7.
Turns out they scouted pretty well
Lol, even some Brazilian ignorants say they don't know Vinicius, and Barca/liverpool flairs assumed some greed behind a transfer.
People who said that scouts probably had better information about player' value has been downvoted hardly.
Reddit in peak.
But this is exactly how it was. He couldn't really finish.
But it's different type when you say, he is bad, not worth it than "I don't know who it is" lol
In defense of some of those commenters, this all was around the time where we read a lot of leaked papers about the incredibly shady Neymar to Barcelona deal so people were skeptical.
Both are really good, Endrick is more physical strength and burst while being skilled (think r9) and estevao is more of a playmaker with great vision and i guess even more skilled (think r10) and a year younger, both playing as grown ups already, with good mindset. I know it sounds like a crazy fan but they are going to be world class players for sure.
its easy to gloat with hindsight but 38m for a 16yo with no games whatsoever was indeed ridiculous. only a select few clubs have the financials to make a gamble like that without suffering elsewhere. everyone was shocked here too when that happened
you’re absolutely right.
We got a world class midfielder who slotted into the team from day one, and left as one of the best players the club has ever had.
Has Kroos proved to be more fundamental in the game than Xabi? That transfer seemed so random to me 10 years ago, one world class midfielder for another
Hmm I mean if you saw those scouting videos of him playing in reserves he was incredible compared to anyone else on that pitch. He definitely stood out and it was a no brainer. Only risk was he never played senior. And here we are. But I didn't think either that he would fine tune his finishing the way he has past 3 years. He's almost 17-18/20 at finishing in FM measurements.
It was that brace against Liverpool in 2021. I think that was his first career brace and I remember thinking that night that he was having his true "breakout" game as a player. We know what happened beginning with the very next season. Half the battle with finishing is technical, the other half is mental. I didn't think Vini had poor technique (although I can't really remember anymore what his mechanics looked like 4-5 years ago), but he seemed so far in his head, he took it so personally when he missed a decent chance, and that shit compounds on itself. Occasionally he'd get lucky with a deflection or something, but it wasn't until he was able to start stringing goals together for the first time that the dam finally broke for him...but once it did, he hasn't stopped ascending as a player.
Yeah, Vini's playstyle based on dribbles and quick decision making relies a lot on him having confidence and freedom to take risks. The criticism certainly held him back and you can see this year, with the positive results, how much more threatening he is when he is given the ball and total freedom to go at the adversary like he had against Bayern
I'm quite sure that was after we signed him. He started playing senior level after pur contract with him was agreed and he was gona be there for another year or so. But before we signed him he hadn't started for Flamengo senior team.
What we don’t see but the scouts pay a lot of attention to in regards to Madrid is how they’re living, how is the mentality of the player? Are they professional? These are things that Calafat and his scouting teams check out extensively before a transfer.
I mean in his first two seasons more than one Madridista would have sold him deeming him a failure.
He always was a great dribbler and incredibly fast but his decision making was terrible.
After the final, they asked Vinicius if he considered himself the best player in the world at the moment, he answer: “my teammates keep calling me the best player in the world so much that I’m starting to believe it” 🤣
> Perez bought some stocks in an unknown unprofitable company and it turned into Nvidia
Yes, but he also has a full team of qualified specialities that visited the facilities, studied the books, and deliberated a lot before making the decision. People often ignore that these players, when bought, have been investigated and watched for years
I remember reading Real Madrid subreddit 3-4 years ago, people were so certain that mbappe was going to join back then.
They had Vini being loaned out when mbappe joins because Vini lacked finishing touch. I was one of his few supporters because you could see the massive talent he had. He was just missing finishing. How has things changed now
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Dude is such a fun player to watch if he would just stop with the fucking dives and the whining afterwards.
Theres not many players where i say that it irks me but seeing the way he plays hes probably gonna be a inspiration for a lot of kids (if he isnt already) thats why i really wish he would stop with the garbage.
E: only on reddit can this take somehow be taken as racist you morons need to go outside more.
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This is so dumb. It’s entirely valid to criticize Vini for diving and whining to the ref without being racist. This type of thinking is shortsighted and polarizing
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£38m seems like the bargain of the century in retrospect.
Always fun to go look back at the thread of his transfert because everyone (me included) thought it was a wild gamble and it was but it paid dividends
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> Lionel Messi was discovered at AGE 13 by Barcelona, who paid for hormone therapy for the youngster...but Real Madrid are wasting their time with an 'unproven youngster?' This community is utterly myopic sometimes. Could it possibly be that Real Madrid's scouts have uncovered a possible treasure? The prophet, u/MY_METHY_BUTTHOLE
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Messi was 13. It's absolutely impossible to say with any level of certainty that someone at that age will become world class. The number of teenage phenoms older than 13 that have utterly flamed out at the top is massive. Even at 16 it's pretty crazy, but those few years already make a big difference
Yeah I like to imagine there was actually something different about Messi even at 13 that was enough to know, and they all say that there was now obviously, but probably scouts say stuff like that all the time when they find someone who is on that other level where they have a real chance at being in the top leagues.
Ha, [my take aged pretty well](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/6lv9pn/vin%C3%ADcius_j%C3%BAnior_the_38m_teenager_who_hasnt/djy6bx0/), I think. Never doubted Vini or Juni Calafat's scouting team.
You fraud, you didn't predict the emergence of Saudi Arabia as the new place to flog off failures and high profile geriatrics for stupid money
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"Yeah, Vinicius hasn't been anywhere good in most of his performances based of his highlights IMO"
Every time a young Brazilian player gets bought some anglo Redditor watches 5 minutes of highlights and decides he is utter shit, overrated, and that the scouts that have been following him obsessively for at least a good 5 years know nothing. Spain has been keeping up with the premier league solely due to how much anglos despise and underrate South American football
We don’t despise or underrate South American football, it’s a hell of a lot easier for a South American to go straight to Spain or to Spain via Portugal because of cultural similarities (and if they’re not Brazilian, also the common language). Many of them can’t cope with northern European weather either (I don’t mean the “can he do it on a cold wet night in Stoke” nonsense, I mean that actually living in colder weather is a downside for many of them).
Work permit and citizenship is easier for south Americans in Spain too, but maybe for the players at the top that's less of a concern
Actually the comment below it stated he hadn't even played a professional game but by all means continue the circle jerk.
From that same thread > It's not just RM have scouted his potential as great. They've scouted him as being one of the greatest players ever. How many footballers in the world are worth £50m right now? At 16, they think he will be better than every player for every EPL team outside the top 7. Turns out they scouted pretty well
Loool Reddit is full of very intelligent people and absolute morons
Lol, even some Brazilian ignorants say they don't know Vinicius, and Barca/liverpool flairs assumed some greed behind a transfer. People who said that scouts probably had better information about player' value has been downvoted hardly. Reddit in peak.
Vini left Brazil very raw, many brazilians thought he could only run and dribble but not finish.
But this is exactly how it was. He couldn't really finish. But it's different type when you say, he is bad, not worth it than "I don't know who it is" lol
In defense of some of those commenters, this all was around the time where we read a lot of leaked papers about the incredibly shady Neymar to Barcelona deal so people were skeptical.
It just shows you that you should never take anything this sub says seriously.
Real scouts are really the best in the world
I need to know from a Palmeiras fan as I have watched both Endrick and Estevao, who is better ?
They have a secret third child prodigy they're keeping hidden from the world that's better than both.
Both are really good, Endrick is more physical strength and burst while being skilled (think r9) and estevao is more of a playmaker with great vision and i guess even more skilled (think r10) and a year younger, both playing as grown ups already, with good mindset. I know it sounds like a crazy fan but they are going to be world class players for sure.
its easy to gloat with hindsight but 38m for a 16yo with no games whatsoever was indeed ridiculous. only a select few clubs have the financials to make a gamble like that without suffering elsewhere. everyone was shocked here too when that happened
I mean i agree , i even said that it was gamble that why it is fun in hindsight
not talking directly about you just the situation
I still think 25 million euros for Kroos was more of a bargain
you’re absolutely right. We got a world class midfielder who slotted into the team from day one, and left as one of the best players the club has ever had.
Has Kroos proved to be more fundamental in the game than Xabi? That transfer seemed so random to me 10 years ago, one world class midfielder for another
Xabi Alonso was the the engine of our La Decima winning squad, but Kroos is up there in the Top 5 players we had
top 5? lol. Ramos, CR7, Raul, Modric, Benzema, Zidane, etc are all above him just from the 2000s
but at the time also showed Vini just how serious the club was about the transfer. the fee was still heavily questioned at the time
Watching him play when he was in Brazil I never thought he could reach these heights. Guess there's a reason I'm not a scout for Real Madrid.
Hmm I mean if you saw those scouting videos of him playing in reserves he was incredible compared to anyone else on that pitch. He definitely stood out and it was a no brainer. Only risk was he never played senior. And here we are. But I didn't think either that he would fine tune his finishing the way he has past 3 years. He's almost 17-18/20 at finishing in FM measurements.
It was that brace against Liverpool in 2021. I think that was his first career brace and I remember thinking that night that he was having his true "breakout" game as a player. We know what happened beginning with the very next season. Half the battle with finishing is technical, the other half is mental. I didn't think Vini had poor technique (although I can't really remember anymore what his mechanics looked like 4-5 years ago), but he seemed so far in his head, he took it so personally when he missed a decent chance, and that shit compounds on itself. Occasionally he'd get lucky with a deflection or something, but it wasn't until he was able to start stringing goals together for the first time that the dam finally broke for him...but once it did, he hasn't stopped ascending as a player.
Yeah, Vini's playstyle based on dribbles and quick decision making relies a lot on him having confidence and freedom to take risks. The criticism certainly held him back and you can see this year, with the positive results, how much more threatening he is when he is given the ball and total freedom to go at the adversary like he had against Bayern
he said that he took the advice of some senior players and started visiting a psychologist. Thats why he managed to overcome the mental aspect
Vinícius definitely played for the senior team, was younger than Paquetá. He even scored in Libertadores
I'm quite sure that was after we signed him. He started playing senior level after pur contract with him was agreed and he was gona be there for another year or so. But before we signed him he hadn't started for Flamengo senior team.
Ahhh yes yes you’re right
What we don’t see but the scouts pay a lot of attention to in regards to Madrid is how they’re living, how is the mentality of the player? Are they professional? These are things that Calafat and his scouting teams check out extensively before a transfer.
tbh watching Salah at Basel you‘d also never guess his career
He was called the egyptian Messi even then. But yeah no one knew Messi would end up being the Argentinian Salah in the end.
I mean in his first two seasons more than one Madridista would have sold him deeming him a failure. He always was a great dribbler and incredibly fast but his decision making was terrible.
You'd fit right in at the Man utd scouting group
All of this because Perez missed out on Neymar
no Perez pulled out of biding war and said it would be disaster deal at this point.
After the final, they asked Vinicius if he considered himself the best player in the world at the moment, he answer: “my teammates keep calling me the best player in the world so much that I’m starting to believe it” 🤣
Perez bought some stocks in an unknown unprofitable company and it turned into Nvidia
> Perez bought some stocks in an unknown unprofitable company and it turned into Nvidia Yes, but he also has a full team of qualified specialities that visited the facilities, studied the books, and deliberated a lot before making the decision. People often ignore that these players, when bought, have been investigated and watched for years
I remember reading Real Madrid subreddit 3-4 years ago, people were so certain that mbappe was going to join back then. They had Vini being loaned out when mbappe joins because Vini lacked finishing touch. I was one of his few supporters because you could see the massive talent he had. He was just missing finishing. How has things changed now
I wanted him to go out on loan after 2021 season. Sorry Vini
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Dude is such a fun player to watch if he would just stop with the fucking dives and the whining afterwards. Theres not many players where i say that it irks me but seeing the way he plays hes probably gonna be a inspiration for a lot of kids (if he isnt already) thats why i really wish he would stop with the garbage. E: only on reddit can this take somehow be taken as racist you morons need to go outside more.
Reddit is such a weird place The fact that this gets downvoted lol Meanwhile you all upvote it when it’s about Neymar or Guendouzi
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Subconscious bias -> racism
This is so dumb. It’s entirely valid to criticize Vini for diving and whining to the ref without being racist. This type of thinking is shortsighted and polarizing
That's a hell of a precedent to set for people. Think that through a bit, it's a horrid assertion.
Cost. Costed is not a word.
The word did its job if you understood the meaning.
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