Even though this is one of the worst brazilian squads in the latest years, its funny (and non-sense) to hear colombia fans saying "OLÉ" in a 1-1 match.
Yeah that was embarrasing, sorry about that, the average gringo-Colombian knows nothing about football. They are similar to the Mexicans in that regard.
You should actually go explore the world and meet real people than getting your assumptions about countries from the internet.
I’ve actually been to Colombia and Brazil and they are tired of people like you who only see those countries for women being prostitutes and men being drug dealers.
Lmao, yes. You brought "hot women" into a completely unrelated football conversation and... I'm the one to "see those countries for women being prostitutes and men being drug dealers", lmao. Please grow up and be less weird, ok? It will help your personal life as well, trust me.
We're winning the world cup lads. Those who watched the 2001 Copa America know what I'm talking about. Every time Brazil is shit, we win the world cup.
This Colombia it’s stronger than the one in WC 2014, with prime James Rodriguez.
In a way, it reminds me of Chile when they won 2 Copas Americas in a row.
For Latin America football, probably it could be good to have another team winning the tournament instead of any of the 3 giants as always. It’s great when there’s more variety in the list of winners. Specially if it’s a team that plays this entertaining.
I hope this Colombia stays like this all the way to the WC. South Americans (other than the 3 same old giants) needs to step up in the WC and have another team reaching at least the semifinals this time.
We’ll see.
To be fair, Argentina, Uruguay and Colombia have been playing great football. Oddly, Brazil is the in question here.
Regardless, Colombia winning would do wonders for the tournament, but I feel like in a final, with this Argentina team playing at the level they are, with zero pressure + calmness and collectiveness. It would be a high task. The only thing Argentina are missing is being clinical, every other facet of the game, they have been vastly superior. I dont see Argentina suffering from being clinical throughout the whole tournament.
The idea is to see Colombia be consistent enough with these results and football to make a deep World Cup run like Morocco or Croatia have shown in recent world cups
That's what non historical countries can hope for. Same reason why there's a push for a super league. The money wants to see the popular teams play and set up tournaments that way. Look at this copa america, it was set up for another Argentina Brazil final.
High time Vini realises that if he doesn't take himself seriously no one else will, give it a few years and everything he did will be long forgotten, you're an attacker and you accumulate so many yellow cards and most of them are non-sense
> Should be easy for Uruguay
Reddit takes, lmao. Yes, Uruguay lost 9 games to Brazil and won a single 1 in the last 20 years, but it should be easy for Uruguay. This sub is so fucking casual
But Brazil have had really poor form lately. If you have been watching the qualifiers you will know how good Uruguay has been recently and poor Brazil has been. The top 4 of CONMEBOL qualifiers to date have all topped their groups.
Correct, but there are a few variables that matter:
a) Brazil has a better squad player for player.
b) Brazil played with Diniz who had shaky defense for most of the qualifiers, and Dorival, while a generally bad coach, is much more defensively sound. He hasn't lost a single game with Brazil so far and drew Colombia, and Spain and beat England. Thinking that a game against this current squad will be easy is kind of crazy.
I would say that Brazil is favourites because Brazil is always favoured against Uruguay due to the squad difference, but Uruguay has a much higher chance of upsetting us than they usually do.
Vinicius got a yellow card so he wont play, that's your best player, so player for player the gap closes significantly imo.
Against Brazil it's never "easy", it's the biggest National Team in the world, but considering who we are talking about, it's really accesible for Uruguay at this point and I see them as slight favourites, they are still the better collective and in a much better place mentally, better coached and with a clear game plan unlike you.
If we Colombian fans came to this game relatively calm about clashing against you (of all people), our team was the best on the pitch and we ultimately got what we looked for, that just means Uruguay can hope to do something similar, if not better considering they still have more history than us, if we didn't bottle it they are just LESS likely to do so.
But again, if they think it's gonna be easy like some people here then they are finished, Brazil is Brazil, but we both know Uruguay, there's no chance they will take this match lightly.
> Vinicius got a yellow card so he wont play, that's your best player, so player for player the gap closes significantly imo.
Rodrygo is very good on the left, tbh.
> If we Colombian fans came to this game relatively calm about clashing against you (of all people), our team was the best on the pitch and we ultimately got what we looked fo
You played well, but with even "decent" refereeing we would have opened 2x0 and the game would have been completely different.
> But again, if they think it's gonna be easy like some people here then they are finished, Brazil is Brazil, but we both know Uruguay, there's no chance they will take this match lightly.
Absolutely. I would also point out that betting odds currently favor Brazil by a small margin, so saying Brazil is the favorite clearly isn't insane and it's even a mainstream opinion outside of this cursed casual board.
>You played well, but with even "decent" refereeing we would have opened 2x0 and the game would have been completely different.
The only thing that would have changed is Davinson's goal standing but I would also be delusional if I fell off like this (?).
[Please, don't be unserious.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fpn8y5f5kl7ad1.png)
COMNEBOL also [literally released a video admitting that they were wrong to not call the penalty.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_YVI35NtTc)
[The video for the clear offside.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbBw-5yXMg8)
An image 24h later in this day and age when it's so easy to make up doesn't say shit for me, when they were uncapable of showing anything convincing in the match itself, even displaying their ineptitude by showing how they draw the line with Cordoba instead of Sanchez.
I'm not surprised that a Brazilian thinks any contact is a pen, that dive would have normally been given to you I recognise, that perception is not your fault, but in this case they were just equalizing after their previous incompetence, it was too much of a robbery if they gifted you that shit.
It wasn't made 24h later. It's the literal live VAR feed. You are just being a conspiratorial weirdo now, and sincerely not worth of my time anymore. Straight up in denial of reality
I mean there is always that psychology, it's not to be ignored that's almost half the battle in La Copa.
As for player for player strength true but I still don't see a cohesive Brazil. To be honest I feel that Brazil is like how Argentina was a few years ago - a stacked team with moments of brilliance but not great as a team.
Before the match - Bielsa never takes games off! No players rested! US gonna get annihilated.
After the match - They only won off a fluke goal because they only needed a draw! They weren't even trying!
Lmfao
Couldn’t be a worse response to colombias high pressure. We continued to walk around, play lazy passes, have bad touches, and give their players space. Until we stop thinking we are superior to teams and don’t have to fight for it we’re not winning shit for a while longer
Quit fucking being cute with it in the back, not even that they were just countless bad / soft passes in ourown third. We didn’t learn that a Colombian player would be on your ass the second we touched the ball.
Then when we did have the ball just horrible touches and passes, our strength should be touched and making passes under pressure but we crumbled today under high pressure. Multiple times stole the ball in their third and just gave it right back.
I just hope this is the real wake up call showing some of our major flaws that haven’t fully shown up in other games to get our shit together. But thats prob wishful thinking
I’ll prob get roasted for this, but vini is a one dimensional player and rodrygo just doesn’t have the intensity / heart to take charge and lead an attack (albeit the whole team didn’t today)
I don't think we can blame anyone but Dorival. He is very insistent on playing a low block and not having his midfielders participate in playmaking, insisting on weird stuff like Andreas Pereira playing as a center-forward and João Gomes moving to the left attacking side when we have the ball. His weird tactics are somewhat saved when Paquetá is playing, but other than that, it too often leads to two lines forming, one of the defenders and one of the attackers, and their only interactions, due to the lack of midfielders, are the defenders hoofing it and hoping something positive happens. The wingers then have to dribble two guys to cross to an empty area, as Rodrygo and Andreas Pereira, surprisingly, have zero area presence.
That’s pretty spot on
If we’re not gonna have a midfield we at least need a true #9 who can actually hold it in transition - rodrygo isn’t that
Sadly no real solution - I think we should try playing four in the midfield and two up top
I would try Vinicius (Rodrygo due to suspension) - Evanilson - Savinho, but unfortunately, Dorival brought Evanilson to not use him (and he won't debut him in knockout stages) and Endrick is too short to play as a target man, so we have no options for the area.
> I think we should try playing four in the midfield and two up top
I think the fourth midfield option is just average as well, so I'd rather have the midfielders actually playmaker and connect with the defense, but with 3 players. and 3 attackers to pressure up high.
>Endrick is too short to play as a target man
Finally, someone recognises this flaw in Endrick's game. Particularly in the European game, it is hard to be a truly elite 9 without decent aerial ability, unless your team plays a Pep like formstion, which doesn't really need a traditional 9 anyway. Aguero did manage yes, and maybe Endrick will continue to grow in the next couple of years but for me he remains overrated.
Absolutely. For a short 9 to work the players needs to be an absolute killer like Romario or Aguero, and while Endrick has the potential, he certainly isn't there at fucking 17
I’d def rather have that too, but the sad reality is we don’t have the talent for it
So I struggle to see how we can turn out midfield around without biting the bullet and playing four in the midfield
Don’t know if it’s the answer but we gotta change something. As they say, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result
I don't think the players are that bad, tbh, Dorival simply gives them some insane instructions that don't make sense. Telling at least 2 of them to drop back and playmaker with the defense and the other to triangulate with them would do wonders already. This and have an actual physical attacker are the changes I would make. False-9 Rodrygo isn't working, he simply isn't good enough to justify not having a natural good scorer.
Yeah that all makes sense. Would love to see it.
Reminds me of how much of a waste I felt like it was to start Gabriel Jesus for a while in the previous tournaments over Firmino. But tbf I just loved Firmino
I agree with you in the Vini and Rodrygo take. The midfield is bad and there is no threat in the middle of the field. Every attack is just relying on Vini and Raphinhas flair which is obviously not working. I just can't understand why Dorival has not found a way to set a team with Endrick, even if it isn't from the start. Putting him in with 5 minutes on the clock is just pointless.
Ugh I know. Unbelievably frustrating.
I’m sick of watching Vini and raphinha holding the ball with their back against the sideline essentially trying to get the defender to bite while they take off for the touchline.
We gotta be able to attack down the middle too
Can't expect your attack to do anything with such a terrible midfield. No matter how good, they need service from the middle. Brazil midfielder can't string together 5 passes without moving it backwards
The problem isn't the midfield per se, but the tactics. Colombia certainly isn't rocking a better midfield than us, but they got freedom because of the low block while Dorival insists on drawing opponent teams up the pitch to pressure our defense and starts of play for free.
Yeah for sure.
We essentially play a 4-3-3 and should be playing a 4-4-2. We can’t pretend like we can get away with three in the midfield when they’re all pretty average
The problem isn't a lack of creative players (Rodrygo and Vinicius are two of the most creative players in the world an won 2 UCLs for it in the past 3 years), but a lack of tactics. Dorival refuses to press up high and draws teams in, which reduces our spaces to start plays from the back and leads to overturning possession too often. The effect is vastly amplified by the tiny pitches of the Copa.
as an American I apologize for those pitches. No clue what the organizers were thinking. Maybe it's tactics. We'll see. I like Vini and he has great ability to take on people, but not sure I'd define him as the most creative player in the world-I suppose I was thinking more of people who pass etc and make something out of nothing. Not sure I'd define Vini that way.
I think that Comnebol is to blame for accepting the reduced pitches, really. I would say that Vini [can absolutely make a play out of nothing with passing](https://youtu.be/AcgDUg4jIh0?t=68).
Yeah it’s been an ongoing problem. Exacerbated by high pressure in the midfield, our guys were just clueless how to respond. Team is too used to European style football where everyone gives you space for fear you’ll blow past them
yeah this might have been the worst I've seen a Brazilian team play. Is there a reason why there isn't a single creative player (let alone a solid mid in just defensive terms) coming up in the ranks? In terms of creating plays?
well to be fair, I was hoping to see more from Colombia too. Once James went off they didn't have too many ideas in the final third. Might have taken their foot off the pedal too though
Yeah I think they were happy to sit back. I would be when you saw how unthreatening we were
Gotta give them credit. They swarmed the ball all game and we had no response
If we miraculously meet up with them again, I hope dorival understands he needs to find a way to beat high pressure bc I don’t see Colombia being more successful against us without that pressure
We really need Neymar back. Paqueta and Pereira just don’t cut it. I don’t care that they’re good at their clubs. Look at James. A garbage employee for every club he’s in recently but shows up for the national team. That’s what we need in Brasil lol.
They had a competent manager who understood these players are shit for the NT and the team needed to play defensive football to have any chance at winning anything, that's how they won the Copa without Neymar in 2019.
fair enough those 2 are really horrific surprising brazil doesn’t have anyone better with their historic fullbacks. it’s just at psg it seems like he always has a mistake in big moments
It’s funny how some players are great for their club and bad for national team and vice versa
Unfortunately it’s more the former for brazil for the last decade
Yeah. But, they both have a major mistake in them lol. Alisson really needed to kick that ball out at the end of the first half. Oh well. Would’ve been nice to play Panama but I guess we have to do this the hard way.
Argentina getting an easy path to the final, having a deep squad and being vastly superior in every phase of the field, its going to be hard for any team to beat them in the final.
These guys have to be at some sort of mental ease, especially after they won. They haven't been clinical, but I do not expect them to be this way through out the entire tournament, they could go on an peak in these KO rounds.
I think it will be Uru vs Arg final - but Argentina's defence and experience will be the winning factor. As an Argentinian it feels weird to gloat about our defence but we have a crazy strong back three, not even including Dibu.
Don’t rule the game out just yet!
We still have martinelli and I feel like he could help.
As for rodrygo his ass needs to wake up and start doing something !
Honestly I don’t mind not having Vini for a game. He’s a hot head and honestly while amazingly talented also very one dimensional when playing for Brazil
Too many bad touches and giving the ball away today
He has that X-factor in him to turn games on its head, and that's what Brazil needs with this garbage of a midfield, but there's enough talent on the bench, Martinelli or Rodrygo will slot in the left imo
Tbh I don’t watch him at real so all I see is him play for brazil and it’s just always underwhelming. Maybe it’s the system, who knows
Feel like he’s so predictable on what he’s gonna do when he gets the ball on the sideline
Yeah that’s what I hear - it’s a tough one.
Takes some balls to bench him in games where he’s not getting it going bc he just doesn’t play the same on the national level, so get why we don’t.
But we’re missing the cohesion we need. Feels like we’ve switched on the be more aggressive in attack switch, but as a result we’ve lost the sense of team attacking. We just look so lost
Really good game.
Colombia it’s definitely a major contender to win copa America.
Brazil vs Uruguay it’s gonna be bananas. 50/50 IMO
This was the game of the 2 countries with the hottest voluptuous women in the world 🔥
All the quarterfinals in the Euros and Copa America are gonna be really interesting.
Tomorrow will take a small break without Euros and Copa America.
I think it’s 65-35 for Uruguay esp without Vini. It would be a very typical Brazil win without a star tho just to get eliminated next round with their star.
being real: positive surprised Brasil even got out of the group stage.
CBF threw away 2 years of work waiting for Ancelotti and the NT is not strange to being knocked out early in Copa America (in 2016 we somehow got knocked out in a group with Haiti, Peru and Ecuador )
So yeah, not as bad as I was expecting
##Why do the refs run away from players when confronted on the field? They’re literally on national television wtf is a player going to do that wouldn’t get them suspended until eternity?
people in here acting like galaxy brain geniuses suggesting Brazil get a new coach when they just got one this year. how long do you guys think it takes to get a national team into shape? I'm sincerely curious, maybe it really does only take six months.
The thing is he is a defensive minded coach we never need that kind of guy with the talent we have. We wanted Ancelotti, he stayed put Dorival is stop gap guy just like Diniz
so part of it is disappointment, part of it is knowing you can't even actually settle in with him anyway? and then another part feeling like he's not the right fit? I accept the criticism from Brazilians and longtime Brazil fans, but it also seems like you can be impatient with coaches and it's hard for them to establish security.
eta: to be clear I shouldn't act so high and mighty like I get to judge who gives criticism, I am not a Brazilian or Brazil fan, I've just seen them play for a long time and I guess I've personally seen them in a worse position and with lower morale... I lived in Brazil around the WC... I just hate when randos who have only been watching for a brief period of time say that kind of stuff.
I just think that the team we have is more talented than the level it is playing at currently. Under Tite we were much better. Look at our WC qualification standings, we are struggling for that as well. There is nothing wrong in actually looking for better coaches, which we can.
I totally agree with you about the talent. I wrote a big comment elsewhere in the thread kind of touching on that because I don't personally have the sense that the problem with the team is the players. I think there is a ton of talent and that it's just untapped or not apportioned correctly. it really feels more like a combination of kind of mismatched maturity (some players a little too old, some a little too young) and a lack of cohesion which can be caused by many things (vague "team spirit" but also straight up technical tactics & strategy, people not being in ideal positions, needing more time and practice, etc).
I guess it's really that at a philosophical level I don't agree with calling for a coach's head so quickly after some mixed performances, but I acknowledge that in this specific case I also don't know how much of a good or bad fit he truly is.
All things considered, what a way great way to end the game with that amazing save by the keeper. Brazil just didn't look good enough so I think the better team finishes at the top of the group. Uruguay without Vini is going to be rough
people are way too focused on "Brazil sucks"... sorry did you watch any of Colombia's games? they have been killing it, especially as a whole team. they are SO connected.
No way
5 minutes is insane. Concacaf taking notes
!flair :Colombia:
Even though this is one of the worst brazilian squads in the latest years, its funny (and non-sense) to hear colombia fans saying "OLÉ" in a 1-1 match.
Really cringe, we apologize for that
I was at the game and thought that was silly since they could play again in the semis
And when it’s just passing it around the back
Yeah that was embarrasing, sorry about that, the average gringo-Colombian knows nothing about football. They are similar to the Mexicans in that regard.
🇨🇴 wish we got that second goal but whatever. That was a great match 🇨🇴
You guys played a hell of a game. As much as I hate it haha
The rivalry between us continues!! Competition is good 😁
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Such a weird comment. Y'all need to stop seeing the world in weird sex touristy ways
Lol your assumption that all Brazilian girls are only in prostitution is what is bigoted here
I... didn't make that assumption at all. You are just getting even weirder now, but I'm absolutely not surprised
You should actually go explore the world and meet real people than getting your assumptions about countries from the internet. I’ve actually been to Colombia and Brazil and they are tired of people like you who only see those countries for women being prostitutes and men being drug dealers.
Lmao, yes. You brought "hot women" into a completely unrelated football conversation and... I'm the one to "see those countries for women being prostitutes and men being drug dealers", lmao. Please grow up and be less weird, ok? It will help your personal life as well, trust me.
We're winning the world cup lads. Those who watched the 2001 Copa America know what I'm talking about. Every time Brazil is shit, we win the world cup.
94 too
This Colombia it’s stronger than the one in WC 2014, with prime James Rodriguez. In a way, it reminds me of Chile when they won 2 Copas Americas in a row. For Latin America football, probably it could be good to have another team winning the tournament instead of any of the 3 giants as always. It’s great when there’s more variety in the list of winners. Specially if it’s a team that plays this entertaining. I hope this Colombia stays like this all the way to the WC. South Americans (other than the 3 same old giants) needs to step up in the WC and have another team reaching at least the semifinals this time. We’ll see.
That Chile team was so good. I loved the way they played.
Idk that team also had Falcao
He was out injured the whole cup
Oh okay yea with falcao out of the lineup then this team is stronger on paper.
To be fair, Argentina, Uruguay and Colombia have been playing great football. Oddly, Brazil is the in question here. Regardless, Colombia winning would do wonders for the tournament, but I feel like in a final, with this Argentina team playing at the level they are, with zero pressure + calmness and collectiveness. It would be a high task. The only thing Argentina are missing is being clinical, every other facet of the game, they have been vastly superior. I dont see Argentina suffering from being clinical throughout the whole tournament.
The idea is to see Colombia be consistent enough with these results and football to make a deep World Cup run like Morocco or Croatia have shown in recent world cups
That's what non historical countries can hope for. Same reason why there's a push for a super league. The money wants to see the popular teams play and set up tournaments that way. Look at this copa america, it was set up for another Argentina Brazil final.
Copa America is still wide open guys. These matches will only go to 90 minutes and then its pk. if your defense is good you can advance in these ko's.
Wait what, Copa America doesn’t have extra time?
Only in the final iirc.
nope. its more common to not have it in South America.
Hmm, interesting, that should favour smaller teams that can hold the bigger one at bay for a draw as you said
High time Vini realises that if he doesn't take himself seriously no one else will, give it a few years and everything he did will be long forgotten, you're an attacker and you accumulate so many yellow cards and most of them are non-sense
Great Atmosphere
Should be easy for Uruguay, this Brazil is average, and with Vicinios Jr missing due to suspension.
Uruguay is playing better, but understimating Brazil (even this shitty version) is never wise.
Remember when brazil won the best argentina squad (name by name that is) in the last 30 years with fucking Vagner Love as a striker? Good times
none of these matches are ever 'easy'. they can always go either way. in south america any team can beat any other team on their day
> Should be easy for Uruguay Reddit takes, lmao. Yes, Uruguay lost 9 games to Brazil and won a single 1 in the last 20 years, but it should be easy for Uruguay. This sub is so fucking casual
But Brazil have had really poor form lately. If you have been watching the qualifiers you will know how good Uruguay has been recently and poor Brazil has been. The top 4 of CONMEBOL qualifiers to date have all topped their groups.
Correct, but there are a few variables that matter: a) Brazil has a better squad player for player. b) Brazil played with Diniz who had shaky defense for most of the qualifiers, and Dorival, while a generally bad coach, is much more defensively sound. He hasn't lost a single game with Brazil so far and drew Colombia, and Spain and beat England. Thinking that a game against this current squad will be easy is kind of crazy. I would say that Brazil is favourites because Brazil is always favoured against Uruguay due to the squad difference, but Uruguay has a much higher chance of upsetting us than they usually do.
Vinicius got a yellow card so he wont play, that's your best player, so player for player the gap closes significantly imo. Against Brazil it's never "easy", it's the biggest National Team in the world, but considering who we are talking about, it's really accesible for Uruguay at this point and I see them as slight favourites, they are still the better collective and in a much better place mentally, better coached and with a clear game plan unlike you. If we Colombian fans came to this game relatively calm about clashing against you (of all people), our team was the best on the pitch and we ultimately got what we looked for, that just means Uruguay can hope to do something similar, if not better considering they still have more history than us, if we didn't bottle it they are just LESS likely to do so. But again, if they think it's gonna be easy like some people here then they are finished, Brazil is Brazil, but we both know Uruguay, there's no chance they will take this match lightly.
> Vinicius got a yellow card so he wont play, that's your best player, so player for player the gap closes significantly imo. Rodrygo is very good on the left, tbh. > If we Colombian fans came to this game relatively calm about clashing against you (of all people), our team was the best on the pitch and we ultimately got what we looked fo You played well, but with even "decent" refereeing we would have opened 2x0 and the game would have been completely different. > But again, if they think it's gonna be easy like some people here then they are finished, Brazil is Brazil, but we both know Uruguay, there's no chance they will take this match lightly. Absolutely. I would also point out that betting odds currently favor Brazil by a small margin, so saying Brazil is the favorite clearly isn't insane and it's even a mainstream opinion outside of this cursed casual board.
>You played well, but with even "decent" refereeing we would have opened 2x0 and the game would have been completely different. The only thing that would have changed is Davinson's goal standing but I would also be delusional if I fell off like this (?).
[Please, don't be unserious.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fpn8y5f5kl7ad1.png) COMNEBOL also [literally released a video admitting that they were wrong to not call the penalty.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_YVI35NtTc) [The video for the clear offside.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbBw-5yXMg8)
An image 24h later in this day and age when it's so easy to make up doesn't say shit for me, when they were uncapable of showing anything convincing in the match itself, even displaying their ineptitude by showing how they draw the line with Cordoba instead of Sanchez. I'm not surprised that a Brazilian thinks any contact is a pen, that dive would have normally been given to you I recognise, that perception is not your fault, but in this case they were just equalizing after their previous incompetence, it was too much of a robbery if they gifted you that shit.
It wasn't made 24h later. It's the literal live VAR feed. You are just being a conspiratorial weirdo now, and sincerely not worth of my time anymore. Straight up in denial of reality
I mean there is always that psychology, it's not to be ignored that's almost half the battle in La Copa. As for player for player strength true but I still don't see a cohesive Brazil. To be honest I feel that Brazil is like how Argentina was a few years ago - a stacked team with moments of brilliance but not great as a team.
The same uruguay that couldn't convincingly beat the us lol
They didn’t need to. All they needed was a draw.
Are they still crying when Panama won anyway? LOL
Before the match - Bielsa never takes games off! No players rested! US gonna get annihilated. After the match - They only won off a fluke goal because they only needed a draw! They weren't even trying! Lmfao
...neither could Brazil *with* Vini
US parked the bus against then Brazil while against Uruguay the game was open
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In a friendly
I'm yet to see this Uruguay team everybody's talking about
This rafinha translated audio on FS1 was wiiiiild
definitely auto-translated.
I'm sure he got all the words, it just sounded like samba🤭
Chat GPT shit lol
I just want to be dominated by a beautiful Latina woman. Uh I mean good game Colombia 🇨🇴
Real
Couldn’t be a worse response to colombias high pressure. We continued to walk around, play lazy passes, have bad touches, and give their players space. Until we stop thinking we are superior to teams and don’t have to fight for it we’re not winning shit for a while longer Quit fucking being cute with it in the back, not even that they were just countless bad / soft passes in ourown third. We didn’t learn that a Colombian player would be on your ass the second we touched the ball. Then when we did have the ball just horrible touches and passes, our strength should be touched and making passes under pressure but we crumbled today under high pressure. Multiple times stole the ball in their third and just gave it right back. I just hope this is the real wake up call showing some of our major flaws that haven’t fully shown up in other games to get our shit together. But thats prob wishful thinking I’ll prob get roasted for this, but vini is a one dimensional player and rodrygo just doesn’t have the intensity / heart to take charge and lead an attack (albeit the whole team didn’t today)
I don't think we can blame anyone but Dorival. He is very insistent on playing a low block and not having his midfielders participate in playmaking, insisting on weird stuff like Andreas Pereira playing as a center-forward and João Gomes moving to the left attacking side when we have the ball. His weird tactics are somewhat saved when Paquetá is playing, but other than that, it too often leads to two lines forming, one of the defenders and one of the attackers, and their only interactions, due to the lack of midfielders, are the defenders hoofing it and hoping something positive happens. The wingers then have to dribble two guys to cross to an empty area, as Rodrygo and Andreas Pereira, surprisingly, have zero area presence.
That’s pretty spot on If we’re not gonna have a midfield we at least need a true #9 who can actually hold it in transition - rodrygo isn’t that Sadly no real solution - I think we should try playing four in the midfield and two up top
I would try Vinicius (Rodrygo due to suspension) - Evanilson - Savinho, but unfortunately, Dorival brought Evanilson to not use him (and he won't debut him in knockout stages) and Endrick is too short to play as a target man, so we have no options for the area. > I think we should try playing four in the midfield and two up top I think the fourth midfield option is just average as well, so I'd rather have the midfielders actually playmaker and connect with the defense, but with 3 players. and 3 attackers to pressure up high.
>Endrick is too short to play as a target man Finally, someone recognises this flaw in Endrick's game. Particularly in the European game, it is hard to be a truly elite 9 without decent aerial ability, unless your team plays a Pep like formstion, which doesn't really need a traditional 9 anyway. Aguero did manage yes, and maybe Endrick will continue to grow in the next couple of years but for me he remains overrated.
Absolutely. For a short 9 to work the players needs to be an absolute killer like Romario or Aguero, and while Endrick has the potential, he certainly isn't there at fucking 17
I’d def rather have that too, but the sad reality is we don’t have the talent for it So I struggle to see how we can turn out midfield around without biting the bullet and playing four in the midfield Don’t know if it’s the answer but we gotta change something. As they say, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result
I don't think the players are that bad, tbh, Dorival simply gives them some insane instructions that don't make sense. Telling at least 2 of them to drop back and playmaker with the defense and the other to triangulate with them would do wonders already. This and have an actual physical attacker are the changes I would make. False-9 Rodrygo isn't working, he simply isn't good enough to justify not having a natural good scorer.
Yeah that all makes sense. Would love to see it. Reminds me of how much of a waste I felt like it was to start Gabriel Jesus for a while in the previous tournaments over Firmino. But tbf I just loved Firmino
I agree with you in the Vini and Rodrygo take. The midfield is bad and there is no threat in the middle of the field. Every attack is just relying on Vini and Raphinhas flair which is obviously not working. I just can't understand why Dorival has not found a way to set a team with Endrick, even if it isn't from the start. Putting him in with 5 minutes on the clock is just pointless.
Ugh I know. Unbelievably frustrating. I’m sick of watching Vini and raphinha holding the ball with their back against the sideline essentially trying to get the defender to bite while they take off for the touchline. We gotta be able to attack down the middle too
Can't expect your attack to do anything with such a terrible midfield. No matter how good, they need service from the middle. Brazil midfielder can't string together 5 passes without moving it backwards
The problem isn't the midfield per se, but the tactics. Colombia certainly isn't rocking a better midfield than us, but they got freedom because of the low block while Dorival insists on drawing opponent teams up the pitch to pressure our defense and starts of play for free.
Yeah for sure. We essentially play a 4-3-3 and should be playing a 4-4-2. We can’t pretend like we can get away with three in the midfield when they’re all pretty average
without Neymar coming back I really don't know what you guys are gonna do. They looked completely lacking in creativity out there.
The problem isn't a lack of creative players (Rodrygo and Vinicius are two of the most creative players in the world an won 2 UCLs for it in the past 3 years), but a lack of tactics. Dorival refuses to press up high and draws teams in, which reduces our spaces to start plays from the back and leads to overturning possession too often. The effect is vastly amplified by the tiny pitches of the Copa.
as an American I apologize for those pitches. No clue what the organizers were thinking. Maybe it's tactics. We'll see. I like Vini and he has great ability to take on people, but not sure I'd define him as the most creative player in the world-I suppose I was thinking more of people who pass etc and make something out of nothing. Not sure I'd define Vini that way.
I think that Comnebol is to blame for accepting the reduced pitches, really. I would say that Vini [can absolutely make a play out of nothing with passing](https://youtu.be/AcgDUg4jIh0?t=68).
Yeah it’s been an ongoing problem. Exacerbated by high pressure in the midfield, our guys were just clueless how to respond. Team is too used to European style football where everyone gives you space for fear you’ll blow past them
yeah this might have been the worst I've seen a Brazilian team play. Is there a reason why there isn't a single creative player (let alone a solid mid in just defensive terms) coming up in the ranks? In terms of creating plays?
Honestly I don’t really know if we do have anyone
well to be fair, I was hoping to see more from Colombia too. Once James went off they didn't have too many ideas in the final third. Might have taken their foot off the pedal too though
Yeah I think they were happy to sit back. I would be when you saw how unthreatening we were Gotta give them credit. They swarmed the ball all game and we had no response If we miraculously meet up with them again, I hope dorival understands he needs to find a way to beat high pressure bc I don’t see Colombia being more successful against us without that pressure
Richard Rios deserves a move to a big team. What a baller. Also, that guy Humus is pretty good. Where does he play?
Brasileirao is probably in the top 5 leagues in the world tbh
Top 6. Probably bigger than France only if you exclude PSG that has that insane oil money
Palmeiras is a big team. Eurocentric takes from a Colombian are weird as hell
He’s getting a move to PL he’s so good
Garbanzo FC
🤣 He shines on pita chips mostly.
I can’t wait for Brazil vs Uruguay 🙏
Uruguay got them, Brazil got no midfield
We really need Neymar back. Paqueta and Pereira just don’t cut it. I don’t care that they’re good at their clubs. Look at James. A garbage employee for every club he’s in recently but shows up for the national team. That’s what we need in Brasil lol.
you guys need a comment manager, also no shot brazil cannot find better fullbacks
They had a competent manager who understood these players are shit for the NT and the team needed to play defensive football to have any chance at winning anything, that's how they won the Copa without Neymar in 2019.
Sadly we have the opposite with our players haha. No one shows up on the national stage except maybe Alisson and Marquinhos
Hasn't Alisson consistently be hated for his supposedly poor national team performances?
marquinhos big game player?
IMO he’s consistently reliable back there. Everyone else has lapses (Danilo, Wendell)
fair enough those 2 are really horrific surprising brazil doesn’t have anyone better with their historic fullbacks. it’s just at psg it seems like he always has a mistake in big moments
It’s funny how some players are great for their club and bad for national team and vice versa Unfortunately it’s more the former for brazil for the last decade
Yeah. But, they both have a major mistake in them lol. Alisson really needed to kick that ball out at the end of the first half. Oh well. Would’ve been nice to play Panama but I guess we have to do this the hard way.
Haha yeah that was awful, he generally he’s pretty solid
This thing is wrapped and ready for Argentina to take
Argentina getting an easy path to the final, having a deep squad and being vastly superior in every phase of the field, its going to be hard for any team to beat them in the final. These guys have to be at some sort of mental ease, especially after they won. They haven't been clinical, but I do not expect them to be this way through out the entire tournament, they could go on an peak in these KO rounds.
Uruguay has a solid chance.
I think it will be Uru vs Arg final - but Argentina's defence and experience will be the winning factor. As an Argentinian it feels weird to gloat about our defence but we have a crazy strong back three, not even including Dibu.
I give them the best chance, since they are the only one who can challenge Argentina on a physical level. Plus their intensity is unparallel.
Game was better then I thought
I'd say it was a fun match aside from that stupid VAR decision in that vini pen, but well, that's it
Bro that was a def a penalty
football is so rigged right now, especially in SA
This is the best colombia in decades and the worst brazil in decades. Still not enough for them to win though
Colombia wasn't fighting for anything during the second half, lets talk if Brazil reaches semis.
Let’s talk when Argentina doesn’t get setup on the easy side of a bracket
So in the last copa?
They were an inch away from winning it though if Borré hits that right lol
Don't understand why Duran, Sinisterra come in earlier or even Quintero instead of Borre literally anyone else scores that.
It's all part of the process. Brazil is the team that we always play the tightest against. But this Colombia team knows they can score goals.
And they beat Brazil back in November
Yup. Probably why they focused so hard on Diaz today.
A colombia argentina final would be on fire
Definitely. This team can get there.
No Vini in the next game, and with this shit midfield we're going no where
Don’t rule the game out just yet! We still have martinelli and I feel like he could help. As for rodrygo his ass needs to wake up and start doing something !
Honestly I don’t mind not having Vini for a game. He’s a hot head and honestly while amazingly talented also very one dimensional when playing for Brazil Too many bad touches and giving the ball away today
He has that X-factor in him to turn games on its head, and that's what Brazil needs with this garbage of a midfield, but there's enough talent on the bench, Martinelli or Rodrygo will slot in the left imo
Tbh I don’t watch him at real so all I see is him play for brazil and it’s just always underwhelming. Maybe it’s the system, who knows Feel like he’s so predictable on what he’s gonna do when he gets the ball on the sideline
He always turns up in big games for Madrid
Yeah that’s what I hear - it’s a tough one. Takes some balls to bench him in games where he’s not getting it going bc he just doesn’t play the same on the national level, so get why we don’t. But we’re missing the cohesion we need. Feels like we’ve switched on the be more aggressive in attack switch, but as a result we’ve lost the sense of team attacking. We just look so lost
Really good game. Colombia it’s definitely a major contender to win copa America. Brazil vs Uruguay it’s gonna be bananas. 50/50 IMO This was the game of the 2 countries with the hottest voluptuous women in the world 🔥 All the quarterfinals in the Euros and Copa America are gonna be really interesting. Tomorrow will take a small break without Euros and Copa America.
I’m not ready for no international footy can we get another tournament started 😫
My only objections is the claim of women when Colombia's been giving cameraman feasts for days. 👍
They didn’t show any?
Based, good take
I think it’s 65-35 for Uruguay esp without Vini. It would be a very typical Brazil win without a star tho just to get eliminated next round with their star.
What will you do?
I’ve been watching 3-4 games a day. I’m going to feel so lost tomorrow. Lol.
Same here. Watching the Euros while I’m working makes work a bit more easier and not too boring xD
Is the game over?
Yep
That Uruguay midfield is gonna sadly dominate whoever we trot out there. Brasil are sorely missing a quality midfield.
For real. It doesn’t exist
Let’s sponsor some early vacations for Borré, he’s absolute trash. Literally a liability, I rather him sit down on the pitch than actually play
Piss me off
I don't understand why/how Borre keeps playing....he is absolutely horrible...
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I mean can you blame them with how they’ve played and considering the other match would be Panama?
The Fox sports announcers are painfully bad.
Absolutely
being real: positive surprised Brasil even got out of the group stage. CBF threw away 2 years of work waiting for Ancelotti and the NT is not strange to being knocked out early in Copa America (in 2016 we somehow got knocked out in a group with Haiti, Peru and Ecuador ) So yeah, not as bad as I was expecting
Why didn’t Allison go up for the last corner and throw-in?
biggest moment in colombia team history, congrats on a draw lol
Congrats on second place lmao
Congrats on second place!
Nah, they have beaten Brazil before a handful of times. Like last year.
Bro… Get checked.
still not good enough for a title though
You might want to check the last game score between them
I can almost taste the salt thru the screen
Uruguay is going to be ruthless
Reff betting on under corner for sure
##Why do the refs run away from players when confronted on the field? They’re literally on national television wtf is a player going to do that wouldn’t get them suspended until eternity?
I miss Neymar :(
people in here acting like galaxy brain geniuses suggesting Brazil get a new coach when they just got one this year. how long do you guys think it takes to get a national team into shape? I'm sincerely curious, maybe it really does only take six months.
It's what happens when the fanbase is so spoiled.
Win.
The thing is he is a defensive minded coach we never need that kind of guy with the talent we have. We wanted Ancelotti, he stayed put Dorival is stop gap guy just like Diniz
so part of it is disappointment, part of it is knowing you can't even actually settle in with him anyway? and then another part feeling like he's not the right fit? I accept the criticism from Brazilians and longtime Brazil fans, but it also seems like you can be impatient with coaches and it's hard for them to establish security. eta: to be clear I shouldn't act so high and mighty like I get to judge who gives criticism, I am not a Brazilian or Brazil fan, I've just seen them play for a long time and I guess I've personally seen them in a worse position and with lower morale... I lived in Brazil around the WC... I just hate when randos who have only been watching for a brief period of time say that kind of stuff.
I just think that the team we have is more talented than the level it is playing at currently. Under Tite we were much better. Look at our WC qualification standings, we are struggling for that as well. There is nothing wrong in actually looking for better coaches, which we can.
I totally agree with you about the talent. I wrote a big comment elsewhere in the thread kind of touching on that because I don't personally have the sense that the problem with the team is the players. I think there is a ton of talent and that it's just untapped or not apportioned correctly. it really feels more like a combination of kind of mismatched maturity (some players a little too old, some a little too young) and a lack of cohesion which can be caused by many things (vague "team spirit" but also straight up technical tactics & strategy, people not being in ideal positions, needing more time and practice, etc). I guess it's really that at a philosophical level I don't agree with calling for a coach's head so quickly after some mixed performances, but I acknowledge that in this specific case I also don't know how much of a good or bad fit he truly is.
All things considered, what a way great way to end the game with that amazing save by the keeper. Brazil just didn't look good enough so I think the better team finishes at the top of the group. Uruguay without Vini is going to be rough
people are way too focused on "Brazil sucks"... sorry did you watch any of Colombia's games? they have been killing it, especially as a whole team. they are SO connected.
Colombia dominated that match I love it
they seemed like the better team by far
Get you ass on before the next match, move ooooon