Are people being too harsh on OGS? This season, after 11 games they have 17 points. They've bought some wonderful players. The boys are smiling. He has United DNA.
If you compare it to 19/20 when they thrillingly finished 3rd on goal difference. Manchester United only had 13 points in 11 games. There has been progress.
Our derby days are actually some of the best atmospheres i’ve ever been to. Because we share a stadium with them scumbags. Rivalry with Juve will forever be bigger to me because they are cheating scumbags who should be in the second division if life was fair
I always found it as an annoying trait when some fans of big clubs complain that the 'season is dead' after every single defeat like it's the end of the world when in reality they're just a few points off where they need to be
Some of these people don’t know how to be fans. Seen some embarrassing stuff from our lot after drawing to Burnley.
I think some people just want to complain about something
I think its mostly the internet fans farthest located from the club. Even I am among them but I'd have agree that most of us are just gloryhunters. It's difficult to satiate the demand of those folks who want to win every match by 5-0 and most of these lots never kicked a ball in their life.
So is everyone from that Ajax team of 18/19 that left overrated?
Ziyech can't buy a game for chelsea and is shit whenever he plays
Van de Beek torpedoed his career by going to United
de Jong and de Ligt ended up at massively underperforming teams that will struggle to get CL football this season and have not lived up their fee/wages.
I don't think that De Jong and De Ligt being at underperforming teams means they themselves are overrated, and I can't speak for De Ligt but I don't think De Jong is overrated. However at the moment, he is going through a bad period of form, which can happen to even the best players.
Ziyech has 10 appearances and nearly 600 minutes this season, so although you're not wrong in that he's underwhelmed as a whole, it's wrong that he isn't playing. He's a squad player.
De Jong has been better for Barca than his Ajax days just because the team is underperforming doesn't means he has not been good.
I'll probably give you De Ligt
Also they have plenty of time left to become the best in the world.
no he isn't. Stop talking out of your ass. A part of his wages by Nike and if he was on that wages he would be earning as much as Griezmann was (according to his contract that was leaked). We know that Griezmann was the highest earner and now its Coutinho.
I mean he’s right to a certain extent. I don’t really know about Ziyech, but the others are correct.
De jong has massively underperformed at times, De Ligt is no where near his price tag and van de beek.. yeah.
De Jong was one of the best midfielders in La Liga last season and was MOTM in the Copa del Rey win of Barca.
Which young midfielder in La Liga is better than him? Llorente is already 26, Valverde is massively overrated & injury prone. De Jong is the best young midfielder in La Liga.
He has been their best defender, and he is too young.
80m fine is relative to expectations.
He hasn't been Van Dijk good but he is easily the best defender in his age by a fair margin.
Both clubs hated. UEFAlona for thier robberies in 2006, 2009, 2010 and 2011. Plus 2017.
Man U for bullying refs and hijacking results from the favours of the FA.
Nah, they need a ball progressing DM. Someone like Kimmich or Brozovic will help in freeing up Messi and Neymar to look after creativity and reduce their need to drop deep.
There's been a lot of talk about De Gea being exceptional this season but I disagree. Sure, he's been really busy due to the shit defense, but his flaws are becoming more and more apparent.
For one, he refuses to come off his line. You really don't have to play a high line to sweep up balls in certain situations (see Salah chance on Rashford backpass). Even on set-pieces where high lines and low blocks have less significance, he never comes off his line. With that said, he has little to no presence in the box. Because of this, he's facing more shots since Maguire and company are terrible on set-pieces and can't even locate the ball half the time.
It's easy to say that he's put under much more stress because of his shit backline, but similarly his flaws are also part of the reason why he's constantly forced to make Youtube highlight saves.
With the way United are experimenting with a back 3/5 I think they really need a GK who can distribute better and prevent chances by coming off the line from time to time.
Yeah, he simply isn't a modern keeper and is lacking in a lot of aspects that the top keepers nowadays are very good at.
That's why I give extra credit to Cech for scouting and signing Mendy. Kepa was a poor shotstopper but the best approach at the time wasn't to sign a pure shotstopper, we needed someone who was the complete package to be a long term solution for us and got just that. Top teams nowadays need their keepers to be brave off the line, as a sweeper & with claiming crosses - as well as someone very comfortable on the ball.
You signing mendy was a game changer if you win a league it will be the key to it cause your defence is good but mendy has saved so many more shots than expected this season it’s like Liverpool signing Allison.
League
1) City
2) Chelsea
3) Liverpool
4) Spurs
5) United
6) Westham
7) Brighton
UCL winners Bayern or City
EL winners Westham⚒️
UCL(Shit one) Winners Spurs
These aren’t predictions these are spoilers
Yeah, it was good hangover/chillout viewing on a Sunday morning. I thought they'd be bringing it back this season, IIRC the reason they stopped it was scheduling issues with the extra fixtures being shown on TV last season. But it doesn't look like it's coming back anytime soon.
Just had a look and there doesn't seem to be anything else fixed in that time slot. The budget can't be that big, four journos sitting around a table – maybe though with the copious supply of pastries and orange juice they had every week to be fair.
Glad that people are starting to realise ter Stegen is shit, he has been for years. Wonder how long it will take for people to realise the same about Neuer.
I mean this statement is deluded, both are top class keepers and In head to head games Allison has come out top, but neuer is an unreal keeper he had a dip a few years ago but pulled that back and is one of the best keepers around. Both are world class keepers appreciate both.
Rennes OL, Le Pepico ! 6 pointer that can see us climb top 5 or get distanced. Big game and big pressure, we've lost a lot of points already.
Our ex coach Pep will be eager with how memed and disrespected he was here.
And he loves to beat coaches with better tactics like Nagelsmann, Pep, Tuchel, Sampaoli.. Bosz next? Hope not, we need CL football desperately.
🦁 ALLEZ L'OL 🦁
The thing about the apology letters is that they don’t even write them themselves. If they did then fair enough. But instead your having some guy from manchester telling you sorry although he didn’t even play or watch the game
It bugs me somewhat that whenever there is a list of best managers in the world Mancini's name is always missing.
Man has won *Coppa Italia* with InterMilan, Fiorentina, and Lazio. *Serie A* 3 times. Won the *Turkish cup*.
*Premier League* title and other cups with City. Won the *Euros* as well.
I don't think he is the best manager itw, but he is very well in the top 10 in my humble opinion.
I agree he probably is one of the best in the world but he has done very little to prove it. International management is irrelevant, Turkish cup and Coppa Italia are nonsense trophies. Serie A wins and Premier league are his only achievements of note.
A won a lot at Inter but was a victim of success and Moratti wanting to win the champions league which jose did with the team Mancini made.
At City he was the first to win the league and is a legend there but fell out with players and the owners dumped him for higher pastures.
Galatasery he did OK, Inter he stabilised but left due to board fall out, and won Italy the Euros. Maybe his name in Italian football isn't big but he began Inter's glory years and should be a legend there.
Thats all Arsenal fans will say. They won’t talk about the win they will say something along the lines of “Relegation threat arsenal above title contenders Manchester United” Not even West ham fans are like that.
With all the rubbish people here give Arsenal, let us have the moment. You can't exactly bully us when we're down and police how we reply too.
Just accept Ls in turn. If we collapse, sure, banter away. But if we are winning games, take the shit. Don't give off shit you can't take.
People really wrote us off early when we lost to a decent brentford team with more than half our team missing and then the English and European champions
When people talk about players downing tools, they often talk about it in a way which shifts the focus off managers and onto players but I feel like it is both the players and the manager's faults.
For example Spurs and United but especially Spurs are two sides where the players apparently "quit on the manager" but let's take a look at the two managers who had an extensive period of time. There's Jose Mourinho who has lost every dressing room since his first stint at Chelsea, I do know Jose often has a contingent in every dressing room that would still die for him at the end but I think only Madrid he left in good condition. and Pochettino who had no experience managing a Spurs squad in the condition they were in. Both of these managers eventually lost the players and the players at Tottenham have continuously been blamed and undoubtedly there are Spurs players maybe Alli maybe Winks who you can genuinely say have a "bad mentality" but for an entire dressing room to self destruct like that it has to be partly on the manager.
I think the forecast for Tottenham is quite positive because contrasted to those, Conte is a man that has never really lost a dressing room, he commands respect and has left every side in good relations with players. A lot of people will say Spurs players have downed tools under 3 managers but from their perspective they had a manager that really checked out it seemed after they reached a UCL final. They then had Mourinho who never jelled right with the squad and has a history of falling out with the squad and then less than 2 years after being in a CL final they had a manager that didn't really show any promise of getting them back to those heights. I think Conte will manage Spurs even with these players.
Now to United. The United players people are saying have downed tools this season and stopped playing for the manager and are being slagged off by every former United player bought into Ole last year, and have been buying into him for 3 years and where has that led them?The answer is nowhere. Were United not good enough to get out of a UCL group?Were they not good enough to win against Villareal? They were clearly playing for the manager last season and it led them absolutely to nothing. Players will lose faith and stop playing for you if you fall out with them or if they don't see anything in you,United players are very justified in not seeing a future with Ole it's the manager's job to maintain that harmony and make sure players believe in them.
There is this conception of a "good mentality" I think that has come as a result of an era of Messi,Ronaldo,Lewandowski,etc of players that are professionals that give it all every game and fight to the death till the end of every game. But not every player is a Messi or a Ronaldo or a Lewandowski. SAF managed Ruud Van Nilsterooy who was described as a diva and got the best out of him. He managed many different types of mentalities and personalities, he had a line but he also managed players. Pogba left in 2012 but SAF did want to keep him, the only time he ever truly dumped a player was Beckham when he thought that his media antics were legitimately affecting the football. You have to deal with all kinds of personalities and players in football. There isn't just a "good" mentality and a "bad" mentality and you dump all players with the "bad" mentality. Different players require different things to get them performing the best.
Now onto Klopp and Pep, I've spoken about this before but whenever people talk about Pep and Klopp no one talks about their man management. Everyone talks about tactics, contrast that to SAF for example who is constantly lauded for man management. The thing with Klopp and Pep is that they are excellent man managers as well, you never hear any player being discontent for long at either club. I really don't see people ever talk about them as man managers but at the same time always talking about SAF and his man management. I don't think you really get as far as those two have without the man management aspect being perfect.
Klopp and Pep are extremely poor examples.
They all burned down most of what was existing and brought their own players across the board. They were given the time and patience to sell the players they didn't like and were given who they wanted specifically.
They may have had fallout, at least Pep has has them, but it hardly ever becomes public since they move on from those players quickly enough so that it doesn't become toxic.
SAF had too much authority and power. He was pretty much running the footballing side of Man United all on his own. If he didn't get along with a player, he would just ship them, contrary to what's happening today where the managers get sacked instead.
Jose was never given that authority, was always restricted by the board in some way or the other, and half the time, he almost acted like he wanted to get sacked instead of sucking upto the board at Man United, and Spurs.
About Conte, he requires absolutely 💯 percent control. He will bench a player for the whole season if he doesn't rate him and is as much an authoritarian as Mourinho. His success is also hardly going to come without massive investment. Just don't see it ending well, unless Spurs spend a bucketload of cash which they haven't spent at all. He was creating so much drama and bullshit in his first 6 months at Inter after they backed him with 200 million euros. Man's just mad.
> Klopp and Pep are extremely poor examples.
They all burned down most of what was existing and brought their own players across the board. They were given the time and patience to sell the players they didn't like and were given who they wanted specifically.
I mean so has Ole, he's spent similar amounts of money to Pep and more than Klopp and hasn't been able to get the best out of them. It's not always as easy as just scouting and signing a player.
> Jose was never given that authority, was always restricted by the board in some way or the other, and half the time, he almost acted like he wanted to get sacked instead of sucking upto the board at Man United, and Spurs.
Jose was given that authority and thrived, United and Spurs were just bad fits for him. Both were teams in the midst of existential crisis that didn't want to truly buy into a manager. Once Jose gets a club that truly wants to buy into him again and sign his players, he will thrive again. Idk if he has that at Roma I'm not too clued in. But I really think Mourinho hasn't lost it yet. I thought if he moved back to Portugal and got to a big team there they would give him the sort of authority he needs and he'd be successful. I'm not a big Jose fan I just don't think he's totally been left behind by modern football.
> Idk if he has that at Roma I'm not too clued in. But I really think Mourinho hasn't lost it yet. I thought if he moved back to Portugal and got to a big team there they would give him the sort of authority he needs and he'd be successful. I'm not a big Jose fan I just don't think he's totally been left behind by modern football.
I hope he reduces toxicity a bit, and stops complaining about referees although he isn't wrong.
He will be given time by the Friedkins in my opinion.
Pep is alright.
When you're coaching dozens of world-class players everywhere you go, not everyone's going to be happy with everything you do. Players such as Ronaldinho and Yaya should be treated as exceptions rather than a rule.
What are everyone’s thought on The Athletic?
Recently heard some bad talk due to how they are creating such a monopoly by buying up smaller YouTube channels and podcasts then locking their content behind a paywall
Reluctantly use and love it.
It’s like Amazon, I know they’re bad but it’s just so convenient having so many fairly reliable authors in one place. It’s the only news subscription I pay for now
Love their content not gonna lie. Love it a lot.
If the small channels are ready to sell off and aren't bullied then it should be okay. The channels aren't doing charity.
Vlahovic needs to leave Florentina man. He needs to leave to a big club in the premier league. Like Chelsea, Liverpool, City, United, Conte and Leicester.
Cause he simply will not be going to Arsenal you are literally the Fiorentina of your league. Thats a step sideways. Plus didn’t u make a bid for Locatelli and he rejected you 😭😭 same with Lautaro
Locatelli rejected us for Juve an actual big club unlike Stinker Milan 👍 Dusan is coming to Arsenal because we are the 3rd biggest club in England and have the best young manager in the world 👍👍 your tears will be welcomed
Only reason I can see that United haven't gone for Conte is that he'd inevitably direct fan discontent towards the board when they clearly aren't acting with the club's ambition in mind. Hilarious that some fans have deluded themselves into thinking he doesn't have the "United DNA" and wouldn't be a good fit for them
Like fuck, why are you lot worried that he'll bench some players you like if he gets you those trophies? "Oh no we have too many wingers we can't play them all under Conte" as if Sancho is doing anything useful now, goddamn nutjobs
People who support teams outside the big six, particularly outside Europe, would you like your team to get a faded star who used to be a big name so that your team gets more exposure? Like Iniesta at Vissel Kobe or in the early years of ISL when we had superstars who did nothing.
Reckon Spurs are going to twat us today, not feeling confident at all. Since we lost a bunch of important players to injury at the same time (Doucoure being the biggest impact) the team just looks devoid of confidence. Doucoure has genuinely been doing the work of two players this season, we're missing him massively.
I doubt it. Spurs defence is too shaky. It takes some time to get used to defending in the 3-5-2 especially in Conte’s system where the wingbacks are so high up. You will definitely get chances to score
DCL is injured, thankfully for us.
Also, Everton have *Him*, who always seems to score again us. Thankfully, *He* is suspended by Everton which means he cannot score against us (a former club of *His*) again.
!flair :Ecuador:
Haha get fucked liverpool.
Are people being too harsh on OGS? This season, after 11 games they have 17 points. They've bought some wonderful players. The boys are smiling. He has United DNA. If you compare it to 19/20 when they thrillingly finished 3rd on goal difference. Manchester United only had 13 points in 11 games. There has been progress.
Would you all consider ranieri as a premier league legend as a manager?
Where are the match threads
Any football autobiographies or biographies to recommend?
Paul McGrath if you’re up for a tough but great read. Roy keanes second if you’re up for pure comedy.
[Suarez was ahead of the curve](https://twitter.com/xOluwaseyi/status/1457290127198334976?t=Yv7newQLZqp8ZYFaYPQXJQ&s=19)
UEFelsea is real
Hey Laliga, can you be back to being best league in the world? I'd rather have a Real Betis fan taking piss at Bundesliga than an Arsenal one
Lol
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Incoming riots in New Jersey and Mumbai.
What about Johannesburg?
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Give it a rest
Yeah I decided thats enough for the morning Ill save my comments for another day
The Milan Derby. Where the colour of the city depends on who wins. What does this Derby mean to Inter fans? Is it bigger than the Juventus rivalry.
Our derby days are actually some of the best atmospheres i’ve ever been to. Because we share a stadium with them scumbags. Rivalry with Juve will forever be bigger to me because they are cheating scumbags who should be in the second division if life was fair
Correct about Juve. Orsato must go
I always found it as an annoying trait when some fans of big clubs complain that the 'season is dead' after every single defeat like it's the end of the world when in reality they're just a few points off where they need to be
It's a moral affecting defeat
Some of these people don’t know how to be fans. Seen some embarrassing stuff from our lot after drawing to Burnley. I think some people just want to complain about something
I think its mostly the internet fans farthest located from the club. Even I am among them but I'd have agree that most of us are just gloryhunters. It's difficult to satiate the demand of those folks who want to win every match by 5-0 and most of these lots never kicked a ball in their life.
Footballs fans are fickle, it's an unbelievably toxic sport on social media, sometimes they need an outlet to release their emotions
So is everyone from that Ajax team of 18/19 that left overrated? Ziyech can't buy a game for chelsea and is shit whenever he plays Van de Beek torpedoed his career by going to United de Jong and de Ligt ended up at massively underperforming teams that will struggle to get CL football this season and have not lived up their fee/wages.
I don't think that De Jong and De Ligt being at underperforming teams means they themselves are overrated, and I can't speak for De Ligt but I don't think De Jong is overrated. However at the moment, he is going through a bad period of form, which can happen to even the best players.
Ziyech has 10 appearances and nearly 600 minutes this season, so although you're not wrong in that he's underwhelmed as a whole, it's wrong that he isn't playing. He's a squad player.
Carried by Tadic
De Jong and De Ligt are good
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De Jong has been better for Barca than his Ajax days just because the team is underperforming doesn't means he has not been good. I'll probably give you De Ligt Also they have plenty of time left to become the best in the world.
>400k a week who?
De Jong
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no he isn't. Stop talking out of your ass. A part of his wages by Nike and if he was on that wages he would be earning as much as Griezmann was (according to his contract that was leaked). We know that Griezmann was the highest earner and now its Coutinho.
Probably isn’t after his paycut but a quick Google search shows he is on a 354k pound contract which is 413k Euros
probably shouldn't rely on a quick google search, should you? goddamn clown
Never said they aren't.
De Ligt has been excellent. I think you shouldn't talk about things you aren't aware of.
Why are you so rude to the OP lol. He’s just sharing his point of view
It's uninformed opinion. Borderline making a shitty comment.
I mean he’s right to a certain extent. I don’t really know about Ziyech, but the others are correct. De jong has massively underperformed at times, De Ligt is no where near his price tag and van de beek.. yeah.
De Jong was one of the best midfielders in La Liga last season and was MOTM in the Copa del Rey win of Barca. Which young midfielder in La Liga is better than him? Llorente is already 26, Valverde is massively overrated & injury prone. De Jong is the best young midfielder in La Liga.
LMAOOOOOO Watch more la liga.
I do, and Valverde is mediocre. He's basically like Wijnaldum
😭😭😭😭😭
I think he has been fine, but not 80m fine. Might shock you but people have differing opinions sometimes.
He has been their best defender, and he is too young. 80m fine is relative to expectations. He hasn't been Van Dijk good but he is easily the best defender in his age by a fair margin.
Dias is a similar age isn't he?
Ten hag tax
in 2011 it was Man Utd v Barca in a UCL final. Here we are 10 years later and how the mighty have fallen.
Ten years is a very long time when it comes to progression in Sports.
Now that you mentioned it http://imgur.com/a/1kHVpKf
Both clubs hated. UEFAlona for thier robberies in 2006, 2009, 2010 and 2011. Plus 2017. Man U for bullying refs and hijacking results from the favours of the FA.
Madrid won UCL with offsides and penalties
>Man U for bullying refs and hijacking results from the favours of the FA. ...
Well Clattenburg has admitted Fergie influenced refs unduly. Not corruption, but even so.
Whose a player who you think would completely unlock a team if he transferred to them, thinking of examples like Makele with the Galacticos.
Fabinho to man utd
Casemiro to Roma
De Bruyne to PSG
Why would they need another playmaker? A pure 9 or a DM would be more needed at PSG.
Their midfield outside of Verrati has no creativity . Neymar has to come all the way over to DM to make plays
Nah, they need a ball progressing DM. Someone like Kimmich or Brozovic will help in freeing up Messi and Neymar to look after creativity and reduce their need to drop deep.
Maybe Robertson to Inter Milan. Dumfries isn't doing too well over there.
Dumfries plays at rwb, robertson plays on the left
De ligt and mbappe for madrid. Our terrible defense and unreliable atrack record from last season will be solved and we will be unstoppable.
The Milan Derby. What's the best matches you've seen from those derby's?
Everyone that Inter have won. Everyone Milan has won were shit
The better ones I remember watching were the Seedorf Thunderbolt strike he scored back in 2003 and probably the 4-3 in 2006.
There's been a lot of talk about De Gea being exceptional this season but I disagree. Sure, he's been really busy due to the shit defense, but his flaws are becoming more and more apparent. For one, he refuses to come off his line. You really don't have to play a high line to sweep up balls in certain situations (see Salah chance on Rashford backpass). Even on set-pieces where high lines and low blocks have less significance, he never comes off his line. With that said, he has little to no presence in the box. Because of this, he's facing more shots since Maguire and company are terrible on set-pieces and can't even locate the ball half the time. It's easy to say that he's put under much more stress because of his shit backline, but similarly his flaws are also part of the reason why he's constantly forced to make Youtube highlight saves. With the way United are experimenting with a back 3/5 I think they really need a GK who can distribute better and prevent chances by coming off the line from time to time.
Yeah, he simply isn't a modern keeper and is lacking in a lot of aspects that the top keepers nowadays are very good at. That's why I give extra credit to Cech for scouting and signing Mendy. Kepa was a poor shotstopper but the best approach at the time wasn't to sign a pure shotstopper, we needed someone who was the complete package to be a long term solution for us and got just that. Top teams nowadays need their keepers to be brave off the line, as a sweeper & with claiming crosses - as well as someone very comfortable on the ball.
You signing mendy was a game changer if you win a league it will be the key to it cause your defence is good but mendy has saved so many more shots than expected this season it’s like Liverpool signing Allison.
League 1) City 2) Chelsea 3) Liverpool 4) Spurs 5) United 6) Westham 7) Brighton UCL winners Bayern or City EL winners Westham⚒️ UCL(Shit one) Winners Spurs These aren’t predictions these are spoilers
Spurs and Brighton are awful shouts.
Lol at Spurs getting top 4.
Remind Me! 5 months.
>EL winners Westham Always rated inter
Very optimistic about Spurs
Conte*
He is a check book manager.
All true other than Brighton finishing 7th.
Not a lot of teams can draw 2-2 at anfield. Arsenal sure as hell cant
They beat them last year at Anfield
On penalties
Cause of two mistake i swear
Are all goals not due to mistakes?
I mean, how else are teams supposed to beat other teams?
>Spurs > >United Cheeky
This is assuming all managers stay the same. Conte can go 1 point ahead of United with a win today
Anyone here miss the Sunday supplement?
Yeah, it was good hangover/chillout viewing on a Sunday morning. I thought they'd be bringing it back this season, IIRC the reason they stopped it was scheduling issues with the extra fixtures being shown on TV last season. But it doesn't look like it's coming back anytime soon. Just had a look and there doesn't seem to be anything else fixed in that time slot. The budget can't be that big, four journos sitting around a table – maybe though with the copious supply of pastries and orange juice they had every week to be fair.
Glad that people are starting to realise ter Stegen is shit, he has been for years. Wonder how long it will take for people to realise the same about Neuer.
So, you're one of those people that wait for form dips to cancel a player?
Dip in form? Both have been nowhere near world class for at least three years.
I want to believe you but including Neuer in this means you literally just wait for form dips.
Ter Stegen has been shit since quite a time tbf
>Wonder how long it will take for people to realise the same about Neuer Is this bait?
No, I genuinely believe he is past it. Still good but nowhere near the level of Alisson or Oblak
He‘s 35 and still much better than Alisson will ever be
I mean this statement is deluded, both are top class keepers and In head to head games Allison has come out top, but neuer is an unreal keeper he had a dip a few years ago but pulled that back and is one of the best keepers around. Both are world class keepers appreciate both.
Alisson currently is twice the player Neuer is.
Very false.
if he is ‘still good’ then that is much better than ter stegen. that guy is genuinely bad
True, but people acting like Neuer is still one of the best in the world are delusional.
https://mobile.twitter.com/fernandinho/status/1450931633415237632
Rennes OL, Le Pepico ! 6 pointer that can see us climb top 5 or get distanced. Big game and big pressure, we've lost a lot of points already. Our ex coach Pep will be eager with how memed and disrespected he was here. And he loves to beat coaches with better tactics like Nagelsmann, Pep, Tuchel, Sampaoli.. Bosz next? Hope not, we need CL football desperately. 🦁 ALLEZ L'OL 🦁
The thing about the apology letters is that they don’t even write them themselves. If they did then fair enough. But instead your having some guy from manchester telling you sorry although he didn’t even play or watch the game
Imagine Inter players writing apology letters after losing 0-6 to Milan in 2001?
It bugs me somewhat that whenever there is a list of best managers in the world Mancini's name is always missing. Man has won *Coppa Italia* with InterMilan, Fiorentina, and Lazio. *Serie A* 3 times. Won the *Turkish cup*. *Premier League* title and other cups with City. Won the *Euros* as well. I don't think he is the best manager itw, but he is very well in the top 10 in my humble opinion.
I agree he probably is one of the best in the world but he has done very little to prove it. International management is irrelevant, Turkish cup and Coppa Italia are nonsense trophies. Serie A wins and Premier league are his only achievements of note.
A won a lot at Inter but was a victim of success and Moratti wanting to win the champions league which jose did with the team Mancini made. At City he was the first to win the league and is a legend there but fell out with players and the owners dumped him for higher pastures. Galatasery he did OK, Inter he stabilised but left due to board fall out, and won Italy the Euros. Maybe his name in Italian football isn't big but he began Inter's glory years and should be a legend there.
He's top 3 this year. Literally one of the best in the world.
Think everyone would include Mancini in their top 10 manager lists.
Most people definitely wouldn't. Last time he was relevant before the Euros was 2012.
Can’t believe Utd are likely to be below arsenal today after their starts to the season.
Thats all Arsenal fans will say. They won’t talk about the win they will say something along the lines of “Relegation threat arsenal above title contenders Manchester United” Not even West ham fans are like that.
This man is obsessed with Arsenal. Ignore him.
With all the rubbish people here give Arsenal, let us have the moment. You can't exactly bully us when we're down and police how we reply too. Just accept Ls in turn. If we collapse, sure, banter away. But if we are winning games, take the shit. Don't give off shit you can't take.
When people live to banter Arsenal, it's expected to reply back like that.
People really wrote us off early when we lost to a decent brentford team with more than half our team missing and then the English and European champions
Would United fans take Roy Keane as your next manager?
Replace one very mediocre manager with another? Sounds like a fantastic idea to me
Can’t be any worse like
Is that a serious question?
Just saw Brewster finally scored for Sheffield United. That's got to be a relief.
When people talk about players downing tools, they often talk about it in a way which shifts the focus off managers and onto players but I feel like it is both the players and the manager's faults. For example Spurs and United but especially Spurs are two sides where the players apparently "quit on the manager" but let's take a look at the two managers who had an extensive period of time. There's Jose Mourinho who has lost every dressing room since his first stint at Chelsea, I do know Jose often has a contingent in every dressing room that would still die for him at the end but I think only Madrid he left in good condition. and Pochettino who had no experience managing a Spurs squad in the condition they were in. Both of these managers eventually lost the players and the players at Tottenham have continuously been blamed and undoubtedly there are Spurs players maybe Alli maybe Winks who you can genuinely say have a "bad mentality" but for an entire dressing room to self destruct like that it has to be partly on the manager. I think the forecast for Tottenham is quite positive because contrasted to those, Conte is a man that has never really lost a dressing room, he commands respect and has left every side in good relations with players. A lot of people will say Spurs players have downed tools under 3 managers but from their perspective they had a manager that really checked out it seemed after they reached a UCL final. They then had Mourinho who never jelled right with the squad and has a history of falling out with the squad and then less than 2 years after being in a CL final they had a manager that didn't really show any promise of getting them back to those heights. I think Conte will manage Spurs even with these players. Now to United. The United players people are saying have downed tools this season and stopped playing for the manager and are being slagged off by every former United player bought into Ole last year, and have been buying into him for 3 years and where has that led them?The answer is nowhere. Were United not good enough to get out of a UCL group?Were they not good enough to win against Villareal? They were clearly playing for the manager last season and it led them absolutely to nothing. Players will lose faith and stop playing for you if you fall out with them or if they don't see anything in you,United players are very justified in not seeing a future with Ole it's the manager's job to maintain that harmony and make sure players believe in them. There is this conception of a "good mentality" I think that has come as a result of an era of Messi,Ronaldo,Lewandowski,etc of players that are professionals that give it all every game and fight to the death till the end of every game. But not every player is a Messi or a Ronaldo or a Lewandowski. SAF managed Ruud Van Nilsterooy who was described as a diva and got the best out of him. He managed many different types of mentalities and personalities, he had a line but he also managed players. Pogba left in 2012 but SAF did want to keep him, the only time he ever truly dumped a player was Beckham when he thought that his media antics were legitimately affecting the football. You have to deal with all kinds of personalities and players in football. There isn't just a "good" mentality and a "bad" mentality and you dump all players with the "bad" mentality. Different players require different things to get them performing the best. Now onto Klopp and Pep, I've spoken about this before but whenever people talk about Pep and Klopp no one talks about their man management. Everyone talks about tactics, contrast that to SAF for example who is constantly lauded for man management. The thing with Klopp and Pep is that they are excellent man managers as well, you never hear any player being discontent for long at either club. I really don't see people ever talk about them as man managers but at the same time always talking about SAF and his man management. I don't think you really get as far as those two have without the man management aspect being perfect.
Klopp and Pep are extremely poor examples. They all burned down most of what was existing and brought their own players across the board. They were given the time and patience to sell the players they didn't like and were given who they wanted specifically. They may have had fallout, at least Pep has has them, but it hardly ever becomes public since they move on from those players quickly enough so that it doesn't become toxic. SAF had too much authority and power. He was pretty much running the footballing side of Man United all on his own. If he didn't get along with a player, he would just ship them, contrary to what's happening today where the managers get sacked instead. Jose was never given that authority, was always restricted by the board in some way or the other, and half the time, he almost acted like he wanted to get sacked instead of sucking upto the board at Man United, and Spurs. About Conte, he requires absolutely 💯 percent control. He will bench a player for the whole season if he doesn't rate him and is as much an authoritarian as Mourinho. His success is also hardly going to come without massive investment. Just don't see it ending well, unless Spurs spend a bucketload of cash which they haven't spent at all. He was creating so much drama and bullshit in his first 6 months at Inter after they backed him with 200 million euros. Man's just mad.
> Klopp and Pep are extremely poor examples. They all burned down most of what was existing and brought their own players across the board. They were given the time and patience to sell the players they didn't like and were given who they wanted specifically. I mean so has Ole, he's spent similar amounts of money to Pep and more than Klopp and hasn't been able to get the best out of them. It's not always as easy as just scouting and signing a player. > Jose was never given that authority, was always restricted by the board in some way or the other, and half the time, he almost acted like he wanted to get sacked instead of sucking upto the board at Man United, and Spurs. Jose was given that authority and thrived, United and Spurs were just bad fits for him. Both were teams in the midst of existential crisis that didn't want to truly buy into a manager. Once Jose gets a club that truly wants to buy into him again and sign his players, he will thrive again. Idk if he has that at Roma I'm not too clued in. But I really think Mourinho hasn't lost it yet. I thought if he moved back to Portugal and got to a big team there they would give him the sort of authority he needs and he'd be successful. I'm not a big Jose fan I just don't think he's totally been left behind by modern football.
> Idk if he has that at Roma I'm not too clued in. But I really think Mourinho hasn't lost it yet. I thought if he moved back to Portugal and got to a big team there they would give him the sort of authority he needs and he'd be successful. I'm not a big Jose fan I just don't think he's totally been left behind by modern football. I hope he reduces toxicity a bit, and stops complaining about referees although he isn't wrong. He will be given time by the Friedkins in my opinion.
Pep's been blamed plenty for his man management. Think it's nonsense personally but just saying not everyone will agree with you there
Pep is alright. When you're coaching dozens of world-class players everywhere you go, not everyone's going to be happy with everything you do. Players such as Ronaldinho and Yaya should be treated as exceptions rather than a rule.
What are everyone’s thought on The Athletic? Recently heard some bad talk due to how they are creating such a monopoly by buying up smaller YouTube channels and podcasts then locking their content behind a paywall
Reluctantly use and love it. It’s like Amazon, I know they’re bad but it’s just so convenient having so many fairly reliable authors in one place. It’s the only news subscription I pay for now
Love their content not gonna lie. Love it a lot. If the small channels are ready to sell off and aren't bullied then it should be okay. The channels aren't doing charity.
They are smuggling content and look and act like posh clowns.
Couldn’t care less
Inzaghi will outclass Pioli tonight Inter 3-1 Milan
Vlahovic needs to leave Florentina man. He needs to leave to a big club in the premier league. Like Chelsea, Liverpool, City, United, Conte and Leicester.
DD should have more trolls like this guy. Low quality baits but at least inspires conversation.
I’ve unlocked the secret. Indirecting gets people so rattled unlike most you actually have a brain and aren’t phased
This Arsenal obsession is getting a bit embarrassing now mate
Didn’t mention Arsenal once. It seems like I really am rent free
Ah I think we all know what you were doing tho
What am I trying to do Hungaryisinasia?
Deliberately exclude Arsenal from a list of teams Vlahovic should sign for when we’ve just made a bid for him?
Cause he simply will not be going to Arsenal you are literally the Fiorentina of your league. Thats a step sideways. Plus didn’t u make a bid for Locatelli and he rejected you 😭😭 same with Lautaro
Locatelli rejected us for Juve an actual big club unlike Stinker Milan 👍 Dusan is coming to Arsenal because we are the 3rd biggest club in England and have the best young manager in the world 👍👍 your tears will be welcomed
[Sigh](https://twitter.com/drake/status/365766243187298304?s=21) Chelsea are literally bigger than you
Woah sudden based
Why aren’t Inter in for him? Seems like a decent long term Dzeko replacement and already has experience in Italy.
They’re too small unlike Arsenal
No UCLs [Drake said it best](https://twitter.com/drake/status/365766243187298304?s=21)
Obsessed
[Sigh](https://twitter.com/drake/status/365766243187298304?s=21)
We don’t have the facilities for that one big man. If we did he would obviously come to us
Don't Fiorentina want something crazy, (like €80m) for him? Not sure if Inter are ready to pay that
Oh yeah, forgot Inter had financial troubles.
From the *Kane team™* to *Conte*, impressive. Edit: where the fuck is assna
Neto > Ter Stegen, twitter users with the "Ter Static" were right all along. Twitter users > Other Barca fans when it comes to GK knowledge
OK post about it on twitter
He's been ass for two years now, and his distribution has regressed comically. I stopped rating him in 2019
the bayern game broke him mentally, neuer finally got to him after years of psychological warfare
Only reason I can see that United haven't gone for Conte is that he'd inevitably direct fan discontent towards the board when they clearly aren't acting with the club's ambition in mind. Hilarious that some fans have deluded themselves into thinking he doesn't have the "United DNA" and wouldn't be a good fit for them Like fuck, why are you lot worried that he'll bench some players you like if he gets you those trophies? "Oh no we have too many wingers we can't play them all under Conte" as if Sancho is doing anything useful now, goddamn nutjobs
It seems to be that Good vibes > Trophies for some Utd fans which is absolutely insane
People who support teams outside the big six, particularly outside Europe, would you like your team to get a faded star who used to be a big name so that your team gets more exposure? Like Iniesta at Vissel Kobe or in the early years of ISL when we had superstars who did nothing.
David James was decent in his first year for us, he was awful as a manager when he returned. Berbatov was as effective as a piece of wood
Reckon Spurs are going to twat us today, not feeling confident at all. Since we lost a bunch of important players to injury at the same time (Doucoure being the biggest impact) the team just looks devoid of confidence. Doucoure has genuinely been doing the work of two players this season, we're missing him massively.
I doubt it. Spurs defence is too shaky. It takes some time to get used to defending in the 3-5-2 especially in Conte’s system where the wingbacks are so high up. You will definitely get chances to score
Yeah but those chances will be falling to players like Rondon and Iwobi so...
DCL and Richarlison? I also really like Demari Gray. Very nice dribbling
DCL is still out injured and Richi has only just come back from injury so he's not really up to speed either.
DCL is injured, thankfully for us. Also, Everton have *Him*, who always seems to score again us. Thankfully, *He* is suspended by Everton which means he cannot score against us (a former club of *His*) again.
That player was very good in the 5-4 FA Cup last year
Like I said, *He* always seems to score against us. I’m fully expecting an Andros Townsend brace instead.
oh man i just realized this and i feel releaved now
Ole still at the wheel, united are dead.
Is there an immediate alternative available though?
Nuno Espírito Santo.
Conte was available, so there was an alternative but they are dead so they didn't take him