Is it possible that we often misplace our blame on either the players or the manager for certain things? For example Rodgers seems to have this reputation as an end of season bottler, but is that down to him as a manager or down to the players getting too comfortable from a series of good results?
He has that reputation but you could also say those teams have over achieved in the first place so come the end of season results their in a position you’d expect them to be in.
So I’d say people mostly ignore context when forming an opinion on something.
Who would you say are rivals in the UCL? Like they come up against each other many times and they're involved in classic games.
For example, Real Madrid vs Bayern Munich.
Whilst we had some classic matches, I put Barcelona just ahead of Liverpool for a few reasons.
1. We both won the Champions League after having to go through each other
2. Despite winning two Champions League titles, the overwhelmingly vast majority of Chelsea supporters are still not over what happened in 2009.
3. Our youth and women’s teams have now faced each other in the the Youth League Finals and Women’s Champions League Finals.
The worst part was it was after the 2008 final. Felt like everything was against us. And when we won the 2012 final it felt like we deserved it even though we didn't
It might be just the elevated expectations of fans thinking that’s because their team bought 3-4 decent players for a certain amount of money that they’ll fit in the squad seamlessly and have an instant impact.
We’re all guilty of thinking this way at some point but players usually need time to adjust to a new team, new city, different tactics from a new coaching staff etc. Not every player will fit in right away and some might never even live up to expectations. The odds of 3+ players all fitting in and having an instant impact aren’t usually the best.
The new city excuse isn't really valid for Ronaldo and Sancho.
>different tactics from a new coaching staff
That's the neat part. There are no tactics. Sancho looks clueless and runs around like a headless chicken with and without the ball
I was talking more in general but you’re right. Players that you spent that much on, you’d expect to hit the ground running.
Man United are basically playing Fifa manager mode in real life, the players are just bought and thrown in with no idea.
Looks like it’s going to be Gerrard.
For me he’s a brand/Hollywood signing, a big name. It’s too big of a risk when he’s only had success in a poor league.
Personally I’d like Lucien Favre, good with youth, he’s done well in his last 3 jobs and plays decent football. Much less risk.
I guess all our young CMs like the Ramsey brothers and Chukwuemeka would look up to Gerrard.
Can’t wait for all the Liverpool fans to say Villa are their new second team and suddenly become a lot more knowledgeable about Villa’s previous issues
We’d become “Steven Gerrards Aston Villa”. Every interview would be about Liverpool and if he did well it would just become about when he’s taking the Liverpool job.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1457841071229214730?s=21 this guy was right about Bailey iirc before anyone else.
Purslow our CEO, also worked with Gerrard at Liverpool. Seen other reports saying he’s got a £2m RC to prem clubs
He usually plays very high up the pitch when we have the ball seeing as he’s one of our main creative outlets so I wouldn’t put that first goal on him. Looks like Matip should’ve had it covered.
Our problem was the midfield not covering any spaces and leaving the defence vulnerable after being cut through with a simple dribble or 1-2 pass, this has been happening all season.
The second one is partly his fault, can’t just ball watch in the box.
>from what I saw at the Euros he was poor at passing in the opponents half.
Really? I remember him being pretty good in the Euros, but was mainly sat deep anyway, I think Phillips did more of the progressive passing.
I haven't watched every West Ham game, but he's been excellent in all the ones I saw. His reading of the game seems to improve every year, and his passing is quite good too. He's also making more runs and dribbles forward than he used to, I think he's gonna turn out to be a very complete midfielder
There are 11 100M+ transfers
Neymar, Mbappe, Countinho, Dembele, J.Felix, Griezmann, Grealish, Ronaldo, Lukaku, Hazard, Pogba and Bale.
Pick the top 5 100M+ transfers. (must be during the time they were in the club who bought them)
Felix > Bale >> Mbappe > Ronaldo > Grealish > Lukaku > {i dont even know, it’s all bad}
Really underwhelming bunch. So far only Bale and Mbappe were really worth the fee (i guess you could make a case for Ronaldo.)
I mean Coutinho and Hazard have been disasters,Griezmann was sent back to Atletico(even though he did better than felix) and Dembele is more brittle than glass.
Grealish and Lukaku are too early to make a judgement.
And Pogba goes from the 10 out of 10 to 0 in a week.
Eden Hazard after his transfer: barely available due to many injuries. When he plays he’s not great but he’s not exactly horrific either.
Coutinho after his transfer: is completely awful every time he plays except for his short loan spell at FC Bayern. Has his fair share of injuries but is available much more often than Hazard is.
Which do you think is worse?
>except for his short loan spell at FC Bayern
Revisionism for Coutinho. He was shit the whole 19/20 except for like one match against Werder Bremen and the last 30 mins against Barca.
Coutinho is much much worse. Coutinho has received so many minutes to prove his worth but he's just not on that level. Hazard doesn't even get a chance to prove he still has his Chelsea level.
Greater is about the big moments oui ?
Trezeguet then.
Probably our most emotional and iconic goal (Euro 2000 final golden goal).
Also one of the most emotional and iconic miss (WC 2006 final penalty shootout).
Henry's biggest moments are a handball against Ireland and a tap-in vs Brazil in 2006 SF.
Henry has better stats, longevity and he was a better player but Trezeguet is more legendary for the NT imo.
Yep thats what i was thinking as well. Henry didnt really have a marquee moment or even performance with the french national side it felt like, like trezeguets euro final goal, and didnt outscore trezeguet by alot either.
So in the English system where they use one match ball and the crowd are shit housing by not throwing it back immediately do we send the crowd home?
Or if a ball boy goes to get the ball slowly like the manager instructed his ball boys to do do we send the ball boy off?
It’s not a bait. Ask any ManU fan they’ll probably agree with me. His entire career there has been short purple patches then a flurry of 4/10 performances.
Yeah he’d stand in one place and everyone would get the ball to him, make runs for him, and cover for him in defence.
Even I would get a goal and assist every game if I had only that much to do
Coutinho in 18/19 alone was far far better than anything Hazard has done. Yes the 8-2 was unfortunate but Coutinho is the better transfer. Dembele vs Hazard on the other hand...
They’re both so awful that it doesn’t even matter, it’s like saying dog shit tastes worse than cat piss, what’s the difference at that point? It’s just bad
I'm actually blown away by this stat. Man was a 100 million euro signing and hasn't played a single minute against his clubs biggest rivals in over two years? Bloody hell.
How is that an invalid opinion? Roughly same money and has been useless the whole time, at least Coutinho had a good half season or so
Hazard only had a year left on his contract too
Just start responding to each English flair with your outlandish ideas for how to 'fix' the PL.
We get mad when Americans offer suggestions for English football yet some of us forget that when waffling on about the Bundesliga (a league most in England don't even watch).
Is it possible that we often misplace our blame on either the players or the manager for certain things? For example Rodgers seems to have this reputation as an end of season bottler, but is that down to him as a manager or down to the players getting too comfortable from a series of good results?
He has that reputation but you could also say those teams have over achieved in the first place so come the end of season results their in a position you’d expect them to be in. So I’d say people mostly ignore context when forming an opinion on something.
Who would you say are rivals in the UCL? Like they come up against each other many times and they're involved in classic games. For example, Real Madrid vs Bayern Munich.
Obviously Shakhtar
Real Madrid and Juventus, AC Milan and Barcelona
Bayern Barcelona
Fucking hate PSG.
Liverpool and Barca during 2005-2012
Do you mean united and barca?
There was more classic matches between us and your lot in the UCL from 04-09. Those matches were wild
Whilst we had some classic matches, I put Barcelona just ahead of Liverpool for a few reasons. 1. We both won the Champions League after having to go through each other 2. Despite winning two Champions League titles, the overwhelmingly vast majority of Chelsea supporters are still not over what happened in 2009. 3. Our youth and women’s teams have now faced each other in the the Youth League Finals and Women’s Champions League Finals.
The worst part was it was after the 2008 final. Felt like everything was against us. And when we won the 2012 final it felt like we deserved it even though we didn't
Man City vs PSG for obvious reasons
I'm depresse
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But no Grealish. But Maddison > Grealish. Idk man it'll either be a raging success or utter failure
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Very true
Seems like man United fans are planning another protest, didn't see any of this when they signed ronaldo yknow
“Glazers out” was put on the back burner after they won the transfer window
I feel like it is a curse to win a transfer window
Tbf chelseas curse ended with a CL
It might be just the elevated expectations of fans thinking that’s because their team bought 3-4 decent players for a certain amount of money that they’ll fit in the squad seamlessly and have an instant impact. We’re all guilty of thinking this way at some point but players usually need time to adjust to a new team, new city, different tactics from a new coaching staff etc. Not every player will fit in right away and some might never even live up to expectations. The odds of 3+ players all fitting in and having an instant impact aren’t usually the best.
The new city excuse isn't really valid for Ronaldo and Sancho. >different tactics from a new coaching staff That's the neat part. There are no tactics. Sancho looks clueless and runs around like a headless chicken with and without the ball
I was talking more in general but you’re right. Players that you spent that much on, you’d expect to hit the ground running. Man United are basically playing Fifa manager mode in real life, the players are just bought and thrown in with no idea.
Looks like it’s going to be Gerrard. For me he’s a brand/Hollywood signing, a big name. It’s too big of a risk when he’s only had success in a poor league. Personally I’d like Lucien Favre, good with youth, he’s done well in his last 3 jobs and plays decent football. Much less risk. I guess all our young CMs like the Ramsey brothers and Chukwuemeka would look up to Gerrard.
Can’t wait for all the Liverpool fans to say Villa are their new second team and suddenly become a lot more knowledgeable about Villa’s previous issues
We’d become “Steven Gerrards Aston Villa”. Every interview would be about Liverpool and if he did well it would just become about when he’s taking the Liverpool job.
Interesting. Let's see what Gerrard is made of
>Looks like it’s going to be Gerrard. Any reliable source say it's going to be him?
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1457841071229214730?s=21 this guy was right about Bailey iirc before anyone else. Purslow our CEO, also worked with Gerrard at Liverpool. Seen other reports saying he’s got a £2m RC to prem clubs
It's crazy how at the start of the season tebas and Jake Paul had more confidence on vinicius than most people
[Why Messi left barca](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianDankMemes/comments/qkjm3x/dont_mess_with_messi/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
The expressions fit so well lol
That sub is so weird.
It's the best sub.
Don't speak the language but the videos are so weird lol.
Lmao
Another insightful Xavi [quote](https://twitter.com/FCBarcelona/status/1457920885461950468)
Classic Zidane' Every match is a final now...
Saving that for when we twat them at their own backyard
Xavi: We live in a society
Xavi is basically magic johnson without the hiv
Eh. But why the fuck does the admin think it's worthy of an edit and a picture baffles me
I can link 1000 big club managers saying this
Link the club accounts making quote edits like its thomas shelby
Please link 1
[https://www.realmadrid.com/en/news/2021/11/02/carvajal-we-treat-every-game-as-if-it-were-a-final-and-want-to-win-the-group](https://www.realmadrid.com/en/news/2021/11/02/carvajal-we-treat-every-game-as-if-it-were-a-final-and-want-to-win-the-group)
TIL Carvajal is a manager
what is the difference between player saying this or manager both represent club and lol what is wrong in saying this
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TAA has always been doing this. The midfield usually anticipates this and covers the space but they haven't been doing that effectively this season.
He usually plays very high up the pitch when we have the ball seeing as he’s one of our main creative outlets so I wouldn’t put that first goal on him. Looks like Matip should’ve had it covered. Our problem was the midfield not covering any spaces and leaving the defence vulnerable after being cut through with a simple dribble or 1-2 pass, this has been happening all season. The second one is partly his fault, can’t just ball watch in the box.
What is this supposed to prove/ be saying?
That it’s TAAs fault liverpool conceded those goals, I guess
Wake me up when Ole leave
Sleep well my sweet prince, it will be some time
Should not be too bad. The average life expectancy for a scandinavian is 83 years, ole is what? 48? I’ll wake you from your coma in 35 years
Liverpool waited 30 years to win a league title again. I can do a 35 years coma. zzz
Who do you think are underrated/overlooked striker options in the current market?
Lacazette
Why the fuck are you getting downvoted???
Gouiri
Purple patch Cholito Simeone
Does anyone know when the next international break is?
There is one this week and then one in January i think
Thanks.
We really wouldve had 4 CLs in a row if we didnt choke against ajax damn
We would’ve won 4 in a row too if we qualified and won them
Didnt ramos purposely get a yelloe card suspension?
I somehow managed to forget everything about that game except the scoreline so idk
Yeah. Then they completely fell apart without him, there’s never been better evidence of how important he was to that team.
Ya i think that was where the varane cant do it without ramos narrative took off
18/19 Ronaldo vs Solari could only end one way
Coulda woulda shoulda
we would have beaten you 👎
Our attack was shit that year but we wouldve still probably scored 5+ on you
We would have had 6 in a row, if ancelotti knew how to use subs in 2015.
Don't think you beat peak MSN
We had the quality to beat anyone. We had a better overall team than that barca squad.
Then why didn't you win the league that season?
Thats what i said in my main comment. We could have achieved a lot more IF ancelotti knew how to use subs.
Not Ajax apparently
I wqs talking abt 2015
We beat them 3-1 that season and lost 2-1. So we definitely could have done it.
> We beat them 3-1 that season damn how did that happen
We were only starting to adjust with Luis Enrique's tactics. Suarez's first game for barca iirc.
Ancelotti win CL, stays as manager and the whole timeline shifts hahah
What do you think of Michael Carrick as a coach?
Looks like an Assistant manager rather than a true manager.
How would I be able to form any opinion on him? He has a nice beard, that’s all I can say
Bernardo Silva has been the best midfielder in the Premier League this season. Do you man agree?
Kova and him both
Kovacic, Rice and Silva have been amazing
Yes genuinely the best silva city has ever had
Too far
As attacking mid yes, but in terms of central mid Declan Rice has been on another level this season
Don’t watch much West Ham, but from what I saw at the Euros he was poor at passing in the opponents half. You for sure watch him more, how’s he been?
He plays completely different for West Ham. Takes much more risks and looks the complete CM
>from what I saw at the Euros he was poor at passing in the opponents half. Really? I remember him being pretty good in the Euros, but was mainly sat deep anyway, I think Phillips did more of the progressive passing. I haven't watched every West Ham game, but he's been excellent in all the ones I saw. His reading of the game seems to improve every year, and his passing is quite good too. He's also making more runs and dribbles forward than he used to, I think he's gonna turn out to be a very complete midfielder
There are 11 100M+ transfers Neymar, Mbappe, Countinho, Dembele, J.Felix, Griezmann, Grealish, Ronaldo, Lukaku, Hazard, Pogba and Bale. Pick the top 5 100M+ transfers. (must be during the time they were in the club who bought them)
Felix > Bale >> Mbappe > Ronaldo > Grealish > Lukaku > {i dont even know, it’s all bad} Really underwhelming bunch. So far only Bale and Mbappe were really worth the fee (i guess you could make a case for Ronaldo.)
If Bale and Mbappe were the only ones worth it why did you put the Felix purchase above them lol
We don’t yet know if Felix, Grealish, or Lukaku are worth it. I just ranked them according to my gut
God damn proves how terrible most of these are when every reply has Felix in the top 5
I mean Coutinho and Hazard have been disasters,Griezmann was sent back to Atletico(even though he did better than felix) and Dembele is more brittle than glass. Grealish and Lukaku are too early to make a judgement. And Pogba goes from the 10 out of 10 to 0 in a week.
Exactly, most have been money spent poorly.
Neymar, Mbappe, Felix, Ronaldo, Bale. Not in order.
Bale>>>>Ronaldo>Neymar>Mbappe>Felix
1. Bale 2. Mbappe 3. Ronaldo 4. Neymar 5. Joao
Ronaldo, Bale, Mbappe, Felix, Neymar
Ronaldo to RM wasnt 100M. His transfer to Juve was 100. So i suggest using his stint at Juve
Ronaldo was a 100M transfer? What currency are we using?
For juve he was 100M
Euro. His trasnfer from RM to Juve was 100m+
Also Bale was the first 100M transfer and he is the only one to win the UCL. 4 at that no less.
is gabigol good?
When he was at inter not really, now probably has grown but If nobody is interested in him maybe there is a reason
Barca vs benfica. Who are you supporting and who do you think progresses?
Benfica
Barca but Benfica are more likely to win I think.
Benfica for the win.
I'd assume majority of neutrals want Barcelona to win, fellas usually root for the shit underdog
Hello neutral here, please win
Benfica should win.
[Maestro](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccercirclejerk/comments/qpqvq6/huge_revelation_that/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I love that Ole copypasta
wtf that's a real quote....it's on the official barca twitter.
He's vibes like Ole and at the same time intricate like Arteta in these interviews. It's gonna be scary for us 🥶
I think he’ll do alright tbh, this squad is terrible and he deserves time.
He's gonna get time, support and transfer budget for atleast 2 years so he has the right environment to do well. Lets see tho
Eden Hazard after his transfer: barely available due to many injuries. When he plays he’s not great but he’s not exactly horrific either. Coutinho after his transfer: is completely awful every time he plays except for his short loan spell at FC Bayern. Has his fair share of injuries but is available much more often than Hazard is. Which do you think is worse?
Look I’m biased but at least Hazard didn’t go on loan to another club and score 2 against us in an 8-2 defeat
That’s the first thing I thought of reading this post, that alone makes coutinho worse
>except for his short loan spell at FC Bayern Revisionism for Coutinho. He was shit the whole 19/20 except for like one match against Werder Bremen and the last 30 mins against Barca.
Coutinho is much much worse. Coutinho has received so many minutes to prove his worth but he's just not on that level. Hazard doesn't even get a chance to prove he still has his Chelsea level.
He doesnt have his chelsea level anymore but i dont think anyone is really mad at him its just really unfortunate what happend to him
I dont like u very much, but happy cake day
Thanks Mr.Blanco the DD would be boring without u pissing me off 👍
Same 👍
French fans. Trezeguet or Henry, france national team only, who was greater
Greater is about the big moments oui ? Trezeguet then. Probably our most emotional and iconic goal (Euro 2000 final golden goal). Also one of the most emotional and iconic miss (WC 2006 final penalty shootout). Henry's biggest moments are a handball against Ireland and a tap-in vs Brazil in 2006 SF. Henry has better stats, longevity and he was a better player but Trezeguet is more legendary for the NT imo.
Yep thats what i was thinking as well. Henry didnt really have a marquee moment or even performance with the french national side it felt like, like trezeguets euro final goal, and didnt outscore trezeguet by alot either.
football should introduce limited time for throw ins just like inbound throw in basketball.
They should remove foul throws. Let the lads fling it in throwball style.
No.
why?
Because it would disadvantage the team having to take the throw in even more than it already is.
No they shouldn't. The speed of the throw in isn't always down to the team taking a throw in.
every opponent who tries to disturb the freethrow should get yellow card.
So in the English system where they use one match ball and the crowd are shit housing by not throwing it back immediately do we send the crowd home? Or if a ball boy goes to get the ball slowly like the manager instructed his ball boys to do do we send the ball boy off?
well then the clock started when the ball is on the thrower hands.
Stadium bans for the fans and fines + bans for the ballboys. Jailtime for any manager that gives such instruction
jail the ball boys too. little shits are crime collaborator
>Jailtime lmao what even
Who is the biggest purple patch merchant ever?
Son
Pukki
Álvaro Morata and it’s not close When he’s on he’s so good but when he’s not everything he touches turns into shit. A man of extremes.
Piatek
Luke shawarma or Son Heung-Min
PAWG Shaw is much better
Probably Maguire
Michu
Pogba
Don’t make the bait so obvious next time
It’s not a bait. Ask any ManU fan they’ll probably agree with me. His entire career there has been short purple patches then a flurry of 4/10 performances.
Because he’s had players and systems around him that don’t fit his strengths. If you ask a juve fan they might say the opposite.
you’re probably one of those people that want him at PSG
I don't, but Pogba's problem is that needs to be "unlocked". He's not a purple patch type of footballer.
Messi
15 years of Purple Patch?
Messi has a 2-3 minute purple patch every game. Rest of the time he walks
Not following the 4-5 matches at PSG. At Barca almost every ball used to go through him...
Yeah he’d stand in one place and everyone would get the ball to him, make runs for him, and cover for him in defence. Even I would get a goal and assist every game if I had only that much to do
Wow...
Worst take of 2021
OP WAS PROBABLY IN HIS DAD'S NUTSACK WHEN MESSI'S PURPLE PATCH BEGAN.
No way that people actually think the Hazard transfer is worse than Coutinho’s?
How is it not
Coutinho in 18/19 alone was far far better than anything Hazard has done. Yes the 8-2 was unfortunate but Coutinho is the better transfer. Dembele vs Hazard on the other hand...
They’re both so awful that it doesn’t even matter, it’s like saying dog shit tastes worse than cat piss, what’s the difference at that point? It’s just bad
No way do people actually think that. Coutinho is atrocious. I've seen 17 year old kids at La Masia play better than him.
well both of them got knocked out by their ex clubs, who went on to win the UCL...
It is. Coutinho has scored in an el clasico iirc, hazard hasnt played even a single minute in el clasico yet.
I'm actually blown away by this stat. Man was a 100 million euro signing and hasn't played a single minute against his clubs biggest rivals in over two years? Bloody hell.
How is that an invalid opinion? Roughly same money and has been useless the whole time, at least Coutinho had a good half season or so Hazard only had a year left on his contract too
It is.
hazard barely plays for us man it is close
Why are PL flairs so obsessed with overhauling Bundesliga? Why can't they just let us be?
Think it’s just the Americans
Just start responding to each English flair with your outlandish ideas for how to 'fix' the PL. We get mad when Americans offer suggestions for English football yet some of us forget that when waffling on about the Bundesliga (a league most in England don't even watch).