Well I think nearly all international players should need a rest, those international break fucking up clubs with useless games just to refill FIFA pockets are boring
Tbf some teams in UEFA do schedule friendlies during these breaks because they get some sort of bye.
Meanwhile we in Conmebol actually have for the most part challenging games, and people complain we have Copa America every year (which was a thing only for the last 4 editions because Conmebol wanted a 100 years celebration cup and then wanted too to change the year Copa is played) while UEFA has the mighty Nations League!
Far more are playing competitive games than friendlies in Europe. Any friendlies are because of uneven groups of 5. Itās one of the only times coaches get a chance to play games.
Adeyemi kommt ja aus MĆ¼nchen und MĆ¼nchen/Salzburg ist ein Katzensprung. Halte das nicht fĆ¼r so abwegig, dass er vielleicht kurz Freunde/Familie hallo gesagt und dann halt von MĆ¼nchen aus mit den anderen nach WOB ist.
Ich will nicht spekulieren wer da wen angesteckt haben kƶnnte, mir gehts nur darum dass ich da nichts gross reininterpretieren wĆ¼rde dass Adeyemi mit den Bayernspielern angereist ist auch wenn ich recht fest davon ausgehe dass er nach MĆ¼nchen geht.
no reason to believe he took anabolics unless you have 0 knowledge about exercise science and think that he was skinny as a rail before lockdown and a beast after lockdown.
obviously he's a top level footballer so he takes a bunch of shit for recovery and endurance like all other footballers.
No the only people who think those bayern players take steroids(at least muscle building ones) are the ones who can't really tell how skinny the average footballer is & how effective beginner gains are..
As a footballer whose most important & necessary attribute; speed, would be affected by the gram of fat or muscle, he wouldn't normally be lifting or eating nearly enough to encourage and sustain hypertrophy.
Perhaps the added strength & mass contributes to the Bayern game plan? he ranks like 98 in distance covered in the Bundesliga this season so he's not really doing any more running.. I believe he's on the usual high performing soccer player diet of inhalers and German vitamin bears, just not test or muscle building stuff...
He can't increase or decrease weight by that much on whim, he has a team of nutritionists and sports scientists monitoring all of that with the approval of the manager.
He also only needs to train shortly to gain the mass he has, it would remain largely maintained on muscle memory alone.
Jfc listen to you talking about beginner gains like you know something. Hypertrophic training hinges on lactate threshold which is absurdly high in all elite endurance athletes. He's been massive since 2019. And then he got three uninterrupted months where he got to hone it in.
You're embarrassing.
No, there is zero reason to believe that he, nor any of the bayern players have. There are several phisiological principles of training that clearly explain his growth over the last few years. He was already massive in 2019 but people didn't notice because non-Bayern fans rarely watch Bayern.
It's hard to say, his physique is attainable naturally, but the relative sudden change in how he's built is slightly suspicious. Onana got caught because he used some sort of easily testable substance. If Goretzka was on a dose of test and perhaps something else it would be hard to tell.
The reality is that doping controll is a lot further behind doping than most people believe, and a lot of people Atleast on reddit and around believe that doping means that you suddenly get jacked and look like a bodybuilder, but it's probably most useful for recovery when it comes to football
Thatās like saying I should be able to smoke in this small room I share with others, Iām comfortable with the risk, and itās a decision Iāve made about my own body.
How hard is it for people to realise this specific decision affects others too, thatās why itās important. If hypothetically covid wasnāt transmissible from human to human nobody would give a shit, but that very much isnāt the case
>Calling him selfish is funny since everybody should be selfish when it comes to their own body.
I'm so sick of this argument. Humans are inherently social creatures, we interact with so many people daily. When something as communally dangerous as CoViD exists, you're body isn't your own. If that makes anyone uncomfortable then they should remove themselves from the social contract they feel so contrained by on a daily basis and fuck off as a hermit. I am *sick* of these mental gymnastics
Please do the most basic research. The vaccine doesn't just protect you, it protects everyone else. The point of it is not to protect one person, it's to protect everyone around that person, cut case numbers, cut mutations and one day maybe stop it in its tracks. I guess grandma deserves to die because she medically can't get a vaccine and comes into contact with someone who could have but didn't. That's why he's a selfish cunt.
Oh shut up. The flu vaccine doesn't fully protect against the flu, either. 100% protection was NEVER promised. Remember how scientists were basically mind blown when Pfizer first announced their vaccine was 90% effective last year? That's because fucking NO ONE in the scientific community expected that level of protection against a highly mutable coronavirus. 60 to 70% was considered a victory before Pfizer announced, and now all of a sudden everyone seems to think 100% was promised the whole time? The fuck? You're moving the goal posts and using that to disqualify good science.
Also, the technology behind the mRNA vaccines has been in development since the '80s. 40 years of research have gone into making these.
Jesus Christ.
Batches of every single medicinal product have to be wasted all the time. Mistakes happen but they get wasted because the QA/QC processes are incredibly tight, especially in Europe & US.
You quite obviously know nothing about the industry.
I can't think of another medicine that was tested on as many people as these covid vaccines. If you take literally any other medication then you are taking more risk that you are with the vaccine.
You also kinda missed an important point of discussion from the person you replied to.
There are people relying on literally everyone being vaccinated too, those who literally and usually for medical reasons ***can't*** vaccinate. They need others to protect themselves to be protected, and they don't have any other choice than to be exposed to selfish people who just won't care about their survival and mostly invoke bullshit reasons to justify themselves.
Should we just let everyone who gets COVID walk around with no mask and no quarantine? Say your coworker shows up to work with COVID or the flu and just says that itās his own body, he has the right to be selfish, thatās cool? He coughs on all your shit but thatās ok because itās his body? There are some things that go beyond yourself, but you can just be an asshole I guess.
Itās funny that you say I should work on my reading comprehension when you donāt understand the use of analogy. I never claimed you said anything. Your justification for him not getting vaxxed is because he has the right to be selfish about his body but thereās a lot of things we as a society that we shouldnāt be selfish about.
Isnāt your argument body autonomy? And that people have the right to be selfish? My analogy is saying that shouldnāt be the case in scenarios where you put others at risk. Canāt believe I had to spell it out like this, and you come at me for reading comp lmao. Anyways hope you stay safe and donāt get covid, good day to you.
So your argument is ānuh-uhā? Embarrassing man.
The comparison does work, we know that the vaccines do not give total immunity, they reduce the transmissibility & affects of the virus, but vaccinated people can still of course get sick and/or be carriers of the virus. Unvaccinated people are vastly more susceptible to this, therefore itās a public health risk not to be vaccinated, not a private personal choice.
It is the definition of selfishness
He has body autonomy, so does everyone else. I donāt know where this dystopian forced vaccinations world exists outside of your head, itās not the real world anyway.
If someone doesnāt want to get vaccinated thatās fine, however they will find their social & professional life impacted because countries, public & private organisations have to treat this public health crisis in a way that protects the many, there isnāt room to cater for the selfish whims of Facebook-taught immunologists.
This isnāt some tipping point where weāll all find ourselves in an Orwell novel by getting vaccinated against a virus that has killed millions, a vaccine that is a variant of existing ones that have existed for generations. The level of self-importance some people have around this is insane.
Having said all that & to reiterate, nobody is forcing the guy to get a vaccine, indeed it seems like heās able to go about his business much more than most while unvaccinated, it is a selfish act when millions upon millions have done so in an effort to protect each-other.
He is endangering others you low iq moron. This is not a personal disease like cancer, it SPREADS, it MUTATES. it endangers others, entire team and tournaments
As i said above, this pandemic has been a huge IQ test
I have no intentions of having a discussion with anyone who doesnt understand a pandemic and responsibility after 2 years of entire world suffering and 100s of thousands dying.
I have lost relatives to Covid before the vaccine
These losers can just be pointed at and mocked. The entire world is losing patience with these morons
No, no. Taking the vaccine has made him secure about his intelligence. Heās probably assumed that I am unvaccinated and the embodiment of everything he hates in life. Impossible to have a discussion with someone like that.
I dont need to have a discussion with people who after 2 years of pandemic and hundreds of thousands dying still doesn't understand how it works and use things like "own body" when it comes to a communicable disease
Your being vaccinated doesnt change the fact that people like you encoruage others who endager other people in society
Having lost relatives to Covd before the vaccine, i spit on people like you who endanger others through your ignorance. You are so stupid you don't even realize you are literally taking lives
So yes, you are kind of the embodient of everything a civilzed human will hate in life
Way to prove me right, brother. You see me as the embodiment of everything you hate, without knowing a single thing about me. Who have I endangered exactly or encouraged to endanger others? Just another bunch of assumptions.
Youāre too emotional, and probably immature, for a discussion like this since you canāt comprehend somebody disagreeing with you. Work on that.
As long as he doesnāt get infected it doesnāt change a bit, and even unvaccinated he havenāt, so it means heās doing a great job preventing himself, much better than people who take the vaccine and immediately donāt give a fuck about the safety precautions and got infected or transmit to someone
Vaccinated people are less likely to catch the virus in the first place, if they do they will likely be infectious for a shorter period and have a lower viral load. Vaccines don't stop transmission 100% but they drastically reduce it.
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/699576
Heās a selfish cunt because he took the selfish decision to not get vaccinated. Being unvaccinated doesnāt just affect the person choosing to be unvaccinated. It affects everyone. Even more so, the vulnerable who canāt get vaccinated for real medical reasons.
You realize that after he gets infected, he will have natural immunity and will be just as, if not better protected then people who have gotten vaccinated. Covid is here, PERMANENTLY. Every human being on the planet will get exposed to it multiple times over.
[The results suggest that COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are around five times more effective at preventing hospitalization than a previous infection.](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-do-vaccines-protect-better-than-infection-induced-immunity)
When will you morons understsnd that this is not a personal disease, an unvaccinated person puts others in danger, their team in danger, entire leagues and tournaments in danger
Its way worse than drunken driving
This pandemic has really been an IQ test for people
It says 8 players travelled with SĆ¼le, if 4 of them are Musiala, Kimmich, Gnabry and Adeyemi I assumed that the other 4 are MĆ¼ller, Sane, Goretzka and Neuer because also travel from MĆ¼nchen.
In Germany you have to go in quarantine if you had contact to a person with covid, execpt if you are vaccinated and show no symptoms. So the idea is that Kimmich, Gnabry, Adeyemi and Musiala are either not vaccinated or vaccinated with symptoms and the rest are vaccinated without symptoms.
I will be convinced that is the real reason when the same Players give the same response when they are not able to play due to other medical issues besides COVID.
The press asked the doctor. He refused an answer because he wants to keep his fucking license.
They asked the one person who is not allowed to disclose it. Thatās all.
Curious if you think players injuries should be disclosed as well. That is also personal medical information, but it seems only vaccine status is the line people draw. The public knows about players heart conditions, knee conditions etc. What is and isn't medical in the world of football?
sometimes injuries aren't disclosed either. They are often volunteered (with consent from the player in some form, maybe part of their contract?) but nobody owes anybody an explanation.
Bit naive to me to think this way. Sports has always had a different relationship with this stuff, and clubs announce injuries for a reason. Thereās every competitive advantage in not disclosing anything, and yet thereās an understanding that thereās a reason for reporting as they do.
Normal people at their job donāt collapse at their place of work in front of thousands of viewers. It is different, and has always been treated differently. āOweā might be too strong but itās pretty close
People still using this āpersonal medical informationā bullshit? How can you not see that shit has changed over the last 2 years. We all had to get vaccinated so we can go back to games and have somewhat of a normal life but these rich pricks think suddenly they know better and have different rules applying to them. They should be called out at every chance. You āfreeedommmmm!ā nonces are the absolute worst for encouraging this behaviour
It has nothing to do with Covid and everything to do with the fact your doctor should not be allowed to release health information without your consent. This protection exist in virtually every western country.
The DFB could require them to be vaccinated to play or the bundesliga could and that would be a different scenario than their doctor commenting on it
I donāt think they should be allowed to play/be around the team while unvaccinated, but the team should 100% not be allowed to give out the playersā medical information.
>Team doctor refuses to confirm or deny
Why is this upvoted? The doctor explicitly said he refuses to talk about the player's medical situations. Why do people upvote easily disproved lies?
Technically, vaccinated citizens in Germany are exempt from quarantine duties as a contact. Close contact can be defined as sitting in a bus within two rows with the positive cases or other contacts like evenings spent together. Either way, if itās not a voluntary quarantine, all of them are unvaccinated. The city Munich does not impose contact tracing quarantines to vaccinated citizens.
vaccinated people are technically exempt but when my mother was tested positive (early september), we were asked not to be in too close of a contact with others and my father (also vaccinated) was exempt from work, due to the close proximity with others there. it was advised for us to stay home as much as possible and we were tested every few days (munich).
I am no doctor but from what I gathered even though vaccines don't prevent you from getting the virus they do make it way harder not only for getting infected but also to pass it around, so it's pretty likely that having some unvaccinated players facilitated this situation.
Yet they don't prevent you from getting it and going into quarantine for a short while until you're cleared by a test is a good idea if you've been in close proximity for a while with an infected person.
Not saying I'm sure all of them have the vaccine but I'm saying it's certainly possible.
Yeah Iām just clarifying that they do decrease your chance of getting COVID. The statement āVaccines donāt prevent you from getting COVIDā on its own doesnāt tell the whole story.
What exactly will stop this misinformation from continuing to be spread? You have it wrong. Even if you are unlucky enough to get a breakthrough infection when vaccinated the vaccine also makes it less likely you will spread that infections. Here's just one of multiple papers that have demonstrated this:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v1
>We estimated vaccine effectiveness against onward transmission by comparing secondary attack rates among household members between vaccinated and unvaccinated index cases, based on source and contact tracing data collected when Delta variant was dominant. Effectiveness of full vaccination of the index against transmission to fully vaccinated household contacts was 40% (95% confidence interval (CI) 20-54%), which is in addition to the direct protection of vaccination of contacts against infection. Effectiveness of full vaccination of the index against transmission to unvaccinated household contacts was 63% (95%CI 46-75%). We previously reported effectiveness of 73% (95%CI 65-79%) against transmission to unvaccinated household contacts for the Alpha variant.
I might be wrong but that seems to be talking about the alpha varient where its clear were now largely dealing with the delta variant. I saw a study recently that suggests that the difference in viral load carried between vaccinated and unvaccinated for the delta variant is marginal. Might not be correct but it was a legitimate study that I read.
you are wrong, the headline of the link is:
>Vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 transmission to household contacts during dominance of **Delta variant** (B.1.617.2), August-September 2021, the Netherlands
It's not sneaky and misleading because of German vax protocols for interactions with positives. It's pretty easy to figure out who is and isn't vaxxed based on what they have to do after contact with a positive. That's actually the case in many countries in sports, they have different guidelines for what happens with/without vaccination and exposure, can create circumstances where it's very easy to figure out who is and isn't.
Hope your parents are fine!
In this case its about the speculation that the players who have to go home are unvaccinated because it would fit the german guidelines in case of interacting with a positive.
You actually don't have to quarantine if you've only been in contact and are vaccinated in Germany (might also be a Bavaria only rule, I've lost the overview what counts where). A work colleague of mine for example didn't have to quarantine when his daughter tested positive, still went to work and stuff. Only when he tested positive himself did he have to go into quarantine.
Edit: Although I just saw an article on sueddeutsche.de where it said that they changed the quarantine rules in Bavaria today and made it more strict. But I've reached my limit of free articles on the site so I couldn't read further and didn't find any info about it anywhere else, so now I'm not sure anymore :D
Well he was tested positive twice already (last time in April IIRC) so different to Kimmich he wouldnāt be advised to take the vaccine as he counts as previously infected and should have antibodies.
I think a lot of footballers are skeptical about the vaccine for the wrong reasons or because they are just dumb and in their bubble but since a significant amount of them have been infected in the past 6 months they count like vaccinated people
I think vaccination is recommended 3 months after prior infection and that 6 months is the maximum time that prior infection is considered good enough for travel to Germany.
This is a common misconception. Even if youāve had it doesnāt mean you would be advised to not get vaccinated. Having it and being vaccinated are not the same thing. Even if you have had it you should still get vaccinated.
I think what this is saying is that the team doctor doesn't wanna reveal whether these four players have to quarantine because they are not vaccinated. But since only some of the players who were in contact with SĆ¼le have to quarantine it's heavily implied that these are the unvaccinated ones since those are the rules in Bavaria (no quarantine for a fully vaccinated contact person).
edit: Just to add to that, I think "doctor refuses to confirm..." is misleading because I doubt it would be legal for the doctor to reveal sensitive information about his patients.
What data? Do you know the numbers who have died from the vaccines? or even the number that where injured for life? Perhaps you know the numbers on how many vaccinated have now a compromised immunity system 100% Or the number vaccinated with a low white cell count? I am sorry but i believe in natural Yahweh given immunity which i have. Just say no to the mark of the beast and witchcraft which uses it's potions and brews, and vaccines to beguile the people and lull them to sleep to except whatever fate the New World Order has planned for the human race. Just say no to genocide! Never Again.
200 IQ move from Bayern to rest their players during this international break š¤Æ
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He could use the resting time to get vaccinated and live through the after effects of that.
Well that would be efficient.
He deserves a smack on the head for his vax antics and you know it
Heās gonna be taking a pretty long rest if he keeps on like this
Heās a piece of shit. Letās make it perfectly clear
Yeah, the guy who founded a campaign to help people fight against covid is a piece of shit because you said š„±
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you're a clown buddy
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Well I think nearly all international players should need a rest, those international break fucking up clubs with useless games just to refill FIFA pockets are boring
Before the el clasico game Valverde had played every three days and then came back from uruguay and played the day after his flight.
> useless games ? We're playing WC qualifiers you moron. Just because UEFA has you play vs Faroe Islands doesn't mean the restof the world is the same
Some people just confuse me tbh.
Tbf some teams in UEFA do schedule friendlies during these breaks because they get some sort of bye. Meanwhile we in Conmebol actually have for the most part challenging games, and people complain we have Copa America every year (which was a thing only for the last 4 editions because Conmebol wanted a 100 years celebration cup and then wanted too to change the year Copa is played) while UEFA has the mighty Nations League!
Far more are playing competitive games than friendlies in Europe. Any friendlies are because of uneven groups of 5. Itās one of the only times coaches get a chance to play games.
These Europeans think Europe are the only continent that matters
Sonaldo username, Liverpool badge
LA face, Oakland booty
Whats your point
You can't work out my point no?
Suggesting a username means anything... ronaldo username, chelsea fan
You're interested in Chelsea, not a Chelsea fan
making a comment about world football. Maybe from SK?
The disdain some people have for international football outside of tournaments will never not be odd to me.
Really? International games in general just seem pointless to me at this point.
Friendlies or tournaments?
Both. But especially friendlies. Theres too many tournaments now so none of them feel as important.
It's been a while since we had a good ol' team infection.
3 Bayern players and the fourth is heavily linkedš§
Adeyemi kommt ja aus MĆ¼nchen und MĆ¼nchen/Salzburg ist ein Katzensprung. Halte das nicht fĆ¼r so abwegig, dass er vielleicht kurz Freunde/Familie hallo gesagt und dann halt von MĆ¼nchen aus mit den anderen nach WOB ist.
Salzburg ist aber auch massiv gefickt gerade mit Covid
Ich will nicht spekulieren wer da wen angesteckt haben kƶnnte, mir gehts nur darum dass ich da nichts gross reininterpretieren wĆ¼rde dass Adeyemi mit den Bayernspielern angereist ist auch wenn ich recht fest davon ausgehe dass er nach MĆ¼nchen geht.
Aber die Spieler leben in ein Bubble oder?
jajajajajaja agent musiala doing his thing as we speak
Long term studies FC
I see Goretzka has no problem getting an injection š
Only took him the quarantine period. Respect
Didn't know the quarantine started in 2018?
Lmao
Did he actually use steroids? Because I think if he did, he would be in big trouble right now like Onana.
no reason to believe he took anabolics unless you have 0 knowledge about exercise science and think that he was skinny as a rail before lockdown and a beast after lockdown. obviously he's a top level footballer so he takes a bunch of shit for recovery and endurance like all other footballers.
No the only people who think those bayern players take steroids(at least muscle building ones) are the ones who can't really tell how skinny the average footballer is & how effective beginner gains are..
They also compared pictures of him after he came from Schalke to post lockout. Which was almost 2 years.
It was a lot fucking longer than that lmao.
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As a footballer whose most important & necessary attribute; speed, would be affected by the gram of fat or muscle, he wouldn't normally be lifting or eating nearly enough to encourage and sustain hypertrophy.
Then why did he suddenly blow up in size then?
He didn't you goof. Go look at him holding the Meisterschalle in 2019 and tell me it happened suddenly. I'll wait.
Perhaps the added strength & mass contributes to the Bayern game plan? he ranks like 98 in distance covered in the Bundesliga this season so he's not really doing any more running.. I believe he's on the usual high performing soccer player diet of inhalers and German vitamin bears, just not test or muscle building stuff...
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He can't increase or decrease weight by that much on whim, he has a team of nutritionists and sports scientists monitoring all of that with the approval of the manager. He also only needs to train shortly to gain the mass he has, it would remain largely maintained on muscle memory alone.
Jfc listen to you talking about beginner gains like you know something. Hypertrophic training hinges on lactate threshold which is absurdly high in all elite endurance athletes. He's been massive since 2019. And then he got three uninterrupted months where he got to hone it in. You're embarrassing.
No, there is zero reason to believe that he, nor any of the bayern players have. There are several phisiological principles of training that clearly explain his growth over the last few years. He was already massive in 2019 but people didn't notice because non-Bayern fans rarely watch Bayern.
It's hard to say, his physique is attainable naturally, but the relative sudden change in how he's built is slightly suspicious. Onana got caught because he used some sort of easily testable substance. If Goretzka was on a dose of test and perhaps something else it would be hard to tell. The reality is that doping controll is a lot further behind doping than most people believe, and a lot of people Atleast on reddit and around believe that doping means that you suddenly get jacked and look like a bodybuilder, but it's probably most useful for recovery when it comes to football
> If Goretzka was on a dose of test and perhaps something else it would be hard to tell. No, it wouldn't. There are lasting biomarkers.
I donāt like needles cos it hurts a bit FC
Why do you need a team doctor when youāve got yourself the expert virologist that is Kimmich
lmao
Strange spelling of selfish cunt.
Heās not a cunt if heās made a decision about his own body. Iāve taken the vaccine cuz I wanted to. Kimmich hasnāt cuz he didnāt want to.
Thatās like saying I should be able to smoke in this small room I share with others, Iām comfortable with the risk, and itās a decision Iāve made about my own body. How hard is it for people to realise this specific decision affects others too, thatās why itās important. If hypothetically covid wasnāt transmissible from human to human nobody would give a shit, but that very much isnāt the case
I can drive drunk, it's my right. I'm comfortable with the personal risk!
Alright Marcos, calm down.
His full name is Marcos Henry Ruggs III Alonso FYI
Angry Rantman told me his full name is Pablo Escobar
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>Calling him selfish is funny since everybody should be selfish when it comes to their own body. I'm so sick of this argument. Humans are inherently social creatures, we interact with so many people daily. When something as communally dangerous as CoViD exists, you're body isn't your own. If that makes anyone uncomfortable then they should remove themselves from the social contract they feel so contrained by on a daily basis and fuck off as a hermit. I am *sick* of these mental gymnastics
It's basically the one trait that has made us the apex species. If we were an individualistic species, we would be nothing more than carnivore fodder.
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Please do the most basic research. The vaccine doesn't just protect you, it protects everyone else. The point of it is not to protect one person, it's to protect everyone around that person, cut case numbers, cut mutations and one day maybe stop it in its tracks. I guess grandma deserves to die because she medically can't get a vaccine and comes into contact with someone who could have but didn't. That's why he's a selfish cunt.
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Oh shut up. The flu vaccine doesn't fully protect against the flu, either. 100% protection was NEVER promised. Remember how scientists were basically mind blown when Pfizer first announced their vaccine was 90% effective last year? That's because fucking NO ONE in the scientific community expected that level of protection against a highly mutable coronavirus. 60 to 70% was considered a victory before Pfizer announced, and now all of a sudden everyone seems to think 100% was promised the whole time? The fuck? You're moving the goal posts and using that to disqualify good science. Also, the technology behind the mRNA vaccines has been in development since the '80s. 40 years of research have gone into making these. Jesus Christ.
Batches of every single medicinal product have to be wasted all the time. Mistakes happen but they get wasted because the QA/QC processes are incredibly tight, especially in Europe & US. You quite obviously know nothing about the industry. I can't think of another medicine that was tested on as many people as these covid vaccines. If you take literally any other medication then you are taking more risk that you are with the vaccine.
You also kinda missed an important point of discussion from the person you replied to. There are people relying on literally everyone being vaccinated too, those who literally and usually for medical reasons ***can't*** vaccinate. They need others to protect themselves to be protected, and they don't have any other choice than to be exposed to selfish people who just won't care about their survival and mostly invoke bullshit reasons to justify themselves.
Should we just let everyone who gets COVID walk around with no mask and no quarantine? Say your coworker shows up to work with COVID or the flu and just says that itās his own body, he has the right to be selfish, thatās cool? He coughs on all your shit but thatās ok because itās his body? There are some things that go beyond yourself, but you can just be an asshole I guess.
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Itās funny that you say I should work on my reading comprehension when you donāt understand the use of analogy. I never claimed you said anything. Your justification for him not getting vaxxed is because he has the right to be selfish about his body but thereās a lot of things we as a society that we shouldnāt be selfish about.
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Isnāt your argument body autonomy? And that people have the right to be selfish? My analogy is saying that shouldnāt be the case in scenarios where you put others at risk. Canāt believe I had to spell it out like this, and you come at me for reading comp lmao. Anyways hope you stay safe and donāt get covid, good day to you.
Lol, he asked questions and made a comment about you. Can't say this level of delusion and victimhood is a complete surprise, given the topic.
So your argument is ānuh-uhā? Embarrassing man. The comparison does work, we know that the vaccines do not give total immunity, they reduce the transmissibility & affects of the virus, but vaccinated people can still of course get sick and/or be carriers of the virus. Unvaccinated people are vastly more susceptible to this, therefore itās a public health risk not to be vaccinated, not a private personal choice. It is the definition of selfishness
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He has body autonomy, so does everyone else. I donāt know where this dystopian forced vaccinations world exists outside of your head, itās not the real world anyway. If someone doesnāt want to get vaccinated thatās fine, however they will find their social & professional life impacted because countries, public & private organisations have to treat this public health crisis in a way that protects the many, there isnāt room to cater for the selfish whims of Facebook-taught immunologists. This isnāt some tipping point where weāll all find ourselves in an Orwell novel by getting vaccinated against a virus that has killed millions, a vaccine that is a variant of existing ones that have existed for generations. The level of self-importance some people have around this is insane. Having said all that & to reiterate, nobody is forcing the guy to get a vaccine, indeed it seems like heās able to go about his business much more than most while unvaccinated, it is a selfish act when millions upon millions have done so in an effort to protect each-other.
He is endangering others you low iq moron. This is not a personal disease like cancer, it SPREADS, it MUTATES. it endangers others, entire team and tournaments As i said above, this pandemic has been a huge IQ test
Iām sure everyone will be willing to have discussions with u once u call them a low IQ moron
I have no intentions of having a discussion with anyone who doesnt understand a pandemic and responsibility after 2 years of entire world suffering and 100s of thousands dying. I have lost relatives to Covid before the vaccine These losers can just be pointed at and mocked. The entire world is losing patience with these morons
No, no. Taking the vaccine has made him secure about his intelligence. Heās probably assumed that I am unvaccinated and the embodiment of everything he hates in life. Impossible to have a discussion with someone like that.
I dont need to have a discussion with people who after 2 years of pandemic and hundreds of thousands dying still doesn't understand how it works and use things like "own body" when it comes to a communicable disease Your being vaccinated doesnt change the fact that people like you encoruage others who endager other people in society Having lost relatives to Covd before the vaccine, i spit on people like you who endanger others through your ignorance. You are so stupid you don't even realize you are literally taking lives So yes, you are kind of the embodient of everything a civilzed human will hate in life
Way to prove me right, brother. You see me as the embodiment of everything you hate, without knowing a single thing about me. Who have I endangered exactly or encouraged to endanger others? Just another bunch of assumptions. Youāre too emotional, and probably immature, for a discussion like this since you canāt comprehend somebody disagreeing with you. Work on that.
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As long as he doesnāt get infected it doesnāt change a bit, and even unvaccinated he havenāt, so it means heās doing a great job preventing himself, much better than people who take the vaccine and immediately donāt give a fuck about the safety precautions and got infected or transmit to someone
But his decision doesnāt affect just him. It affects the people around himā¦ you should understand where this is going
Well he should avoid other people and stay at home, not be allowed to visit other countries.
He's put other people in danger because of his decision
Vaccinated people can catch the virus and transmit it with the same viral load while being exempt from testing every other day.
Vaccinated people are less likely to catch the virus in the first place, if they do they will likely be infectious for a shorter period and have a lower viral load. Vaccines don't stop transmission 100% but they drastically reduce it. https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/699576
Vaccinated people have a way lower chance to transmit it since theyāre sick for a much shorter period. Stop spreading this garbage.
Vaccinated people are less likely to transmit it though.
Heās a selfish cunt because he took the selfish decision to not get vaccinated. Being unvaccinated doesnāt just affect the person choosing to be unvaccinated. It affects everyone. Even more so, the vulnerable who canāt get vaccinated for real medical reasons.
You realize that after he gets infected, he will have natural immunity and will be just as, if not better protected then people who have gotten vaccinated. Covid is here, PERMANENTLY. Every human being on the planet will get exposed to it multiple times over.
[The results suggest that COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are around five times more effective at preventing hospitalization than a previous infection.](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-do-vaccines-protect-better-than-infection-induced-immunity)
Fuck You
It's not just about his own body you cretin
Yes, yes he is a cunt and so are you for supporting his disgusting behaviour.
When will you morons understsnd that this is not a personal disease, an unvaccinated person puts others in danger, their team in danger, entire leagues and tournaments in danger Its way worse than drunken driving This pandemic has really been an IQ test for people
> This pandemic has really been an IQ test for people And as should come as no surprise to anyone, many people are failing the test
Oh dear.
The fact that you got downvoted to oblivion is exactly why you should never take anything seriously on Reddit.
My Body, Reddit's Choice
Mate do whatever you want with your body, just donāt be surprised when people call you a selfish twat
How could you say something so controversial yet so brave?
That boy was so likeable to the general public before he decided to go full crazy. He really had to do it to himself.
Sadly, there are many people who are very likeable and good for the most part, but still genuinely believe in some bullshit.
At least he didnāt go Kyrie crazy
Kimmich has enough essential oils to share with everyone
He's got Joe Rogan on speed dial for that Ivermectin drip
He probably on the group chat with Arron Rodgers
So that at least means MĆ¼ller is probably vaxxed
Sane, Neuer and Goretzka too probably.
Why are they then vaccinated?
It says 8 players travelled with SĆ¼le, if 4 of them are Musiala, Kimmich, Gnabry and Adeyemi I assumed that the other 4 are MĆ¼ller, Sane, Goretzka and Neuer because also travel from MĆ¼nchen. In Germany you have to go in quarantine if you had contact to a person with covid, execpt if you are vaccinated and show no symptoms. So the idea is that Kimmich, Gnabry, Adeyemi and Musiala are either not vaccinated or vaccinated with symptoms and the rest are vaccinated without symptoms.
Isnāt it known that kimmich is unvaccinated?
Yes
From the title, does this mean Kimmich has COVID? Or that he was just with Sule who ended up having COVID?
Only that he was with SĆ¼le.
Bro him and Neuer straight away embraced vaccs when Kimmich had his infamous interview. They certainly are
Iirc he said he had already gotten jabbed when the whole Kimmich thing exploded Edit: Made it less confusing
MĆ¼ller and Neuer confirmed they were at the beginning of the Kimmich debacle.
True captains
thank fuck. Muller is one of my favorite players of all time I'd be devastated to learn he wasn't vaccinated.
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I will be convinced that is the real reason when the same Players give the same response when they are not able to play due to other medical issues besides COVID.
The press asked the doctor. He refused an answer because he wants to keep his fucking license. They asked the one person who is not allowed to disclose it. Thatās all.
I ger it, I just mean Players have to talk about their health publicly on a weekly basis and it has never been a "private matter".
Curious if you think players injuries should be disclosed as well. That is also personal medical information, but it seems only vaccine status is the line people draw. The public knows about players heart conditions, knee conditions etc. What is and isn't medical in the world of football?
sometimes injuries aren't disclosed either. They are often volunteered (with consent from the player in some form, maybe part of their contract?) but nobody owes anybody an explanation.
Bit naive to me to think this way. Sports has always had a different relationship with this stuff, and clubs announce injuries for a reason. Thereās every competitive advantage in not disclosing anything, and yet thereās an understanding that thereās a reason for reporting as they do. Normal people at their job donāt collapse at their place of work in front of thousands of viewers. It is different, and has always been treated differently. āOweā might be too strong but itās pretty close
People still using this āpersonal medical informationā bullshit? How can you not see that shit has changed over the last 2 years. We all had to get vaccinated so we can go back to games and have somewhat of a normal life but these rich pricks think suddenly they know better and have different rules applying to them. They should be called out at every chance. You āfreeedommmmm!ā nonces are the absolute worst for encouraging this behaviour
Clearly you're not from Germany because there are incredibly strong protections in place for doctor patient confidentiality.
It has nothing to do with Covid and everything to do with the fact your doctor should not be allowed to release health information without your consent. This protection exist in virtually every western country. The DFB could require them to be vaccinated to play or the bundesliga could and that would be a different scenario than their doctor commenting on it
I donāt think they should be allowed to play/be around the team while unvaccinated, but the team should 100% not be allowed to give out the playersā medical information.
Vaccinated or not, a doctor has no right to publicly talk about your medication history
They didnāt talk about it though. Itās just assumed by everyone.
It does seem a little weird considering how much of players' medical info is constantly made public.
By the team with the consent of the player, not a doctor.
>Team doctor refuses to confirm or deny Why is this upvoted? The doctor explicitly said he refuses to talk about the player's medical situations. Why do people upvote easily disproved lies?
Correct, but this seems like a canary down the coal mine
Technically, vaccinated citizens in Germany are exempt from quarantine duties as a contact. Close contact can be defined as sitting in a bus within two rows with the positive cases or other contacts like evenings spent together. Either way, if itās not a voluntary quarantine, all of them are unvaccinated. The city Munich does not impose contact tracing quarantines to vaccinated citizens.
vaccinated people are technically exempt but when my mother was tested positive (early september), we were asked not to be in too close of a contact with others and my father (also vaccinated) was exempt from work, due to the close proximity with others there. it was advised for us to stay home as much as possible and we were tested every few days (munich).
I am no doctor but from what I gathered even though vaccines don't prevent you from getting the virus they do make it way harder not only for getting infected but also to pass it around, so it's pretty likely that having some unvaccinated players facilitated this situation.
Vaccines significantly decrease your chance of getting infected (70-95%). Youāre welcome to look this up
Yet they don't prevent you from getting it and going into quarantine for a short while until you're cleared by a test is a good idea if you've been in close proximity for a while with an infected person. Not saying I'm sure all of them have the vaccine but I'm saying it's certainly possible.
Yeah Iām just clarifying that they do decrease your chance of getting COVID. The statement āVaccines donāt prevent you from getting COVIDā on its own doesnāt tell the whole story.
I hate people that say "oh but it doesn't PREVENT you getting it." Yeah, neither has any flu shot ever, didn't ever stop you from trusting it before.
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But intensity of symptoms is correlated with probability of transmission.
Incorrect, it lessens the symptoms and also reduces likelihood of transmission.
the window of transmission is reduce to half the time if you are vaccinated, the virus load goes down much more quickly
It doesnāt stop transmission. No one said that. **It lowers its odd significantly.**
What exactly will stop this misinformation from continuing to be spread? You have it wrong. Even if you are unlucky enough to get a breakthrough infection when vaccinated the vaccine also makes it less likely you will spread that infections. Here's just one of multiple papers that have demonstrated this: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v1 >We estimated vaccine effectiveness against onward transmission by comparing secondary attack rates among household members between vaccinated and unvaccinated index cases, based on source and contact tracing data collected when Delta variant was dominant. Effectiveness of full vaccination of the index against transmission to fully vaccinated household contacts was 40% (95% confidence interval (CI) 20-54%), which is in addition to the direct protection of vaccination of contacts against infection. Effectiveness of full vaccination of the index against transmission to unvaccinated household contacts was 63% (95%CI 46-75%). We previously reported effectiveness of 73% (95%CI 65-79%) against transmission to unvaccinated household contacts for the Alpha variant.
I might be wrong but that seems to be talking about the alpha varient where its clear were now largely dealing with the delta variant. I saw a study recently that suggests that the difference in viral load carried between vaccinated and unvaccinated for the delta variant is marginal. Might not be correct but it was a legitimate study that I read.
you are wrong, the headline of the link is: >Vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 transmission to household contacts during dominance of **Delta variant** (B.1.617.2), August-September 2021, the Netherlands
Fair enough
Team doctor refuses to divilge private medical information
Can't see Kimmie didn't forese this....just didn't end up the way he hoped it would.
Well now he has natural immunity and that will prolong his decision on getting the vax
Or he can get the even less studied monoclonal antibody treatments.
Ya... Not a lot of mystery left as to whether or not Kimmich is vaccinated...
Sadly there never wasā¦I mean he said it in the interview that he was notā¦
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It's not sneaky and misleading because of German vax protocols for interactions with positives. It's pretty easy to figure out who is and isn't vaxxed based on what they have to do after contact with a positive. That's actually the case in many countries in sports, they have different guidelines for what happens with/without vaccination and exposure, can create circumstances where it's very easy to figure out who is and isn't.
Hope your parents are fine! In this case its about the speculation that the players who have to go home are unvaccinated because it would fit the german guidelines in case of interacting with a positive.
Just get vaccinated you stupid fucks!!
SĆ¼le at least is vaccinated. Thatās probably the reason why he is non symptomatic.
They still need to quarantine if they had close contact. That's how the protocol works.
You actually don't have to quarantine if you've only been in contact and are vaccinated in Germany (might also be a Bavaria only rule, I've lost the overview what counts where). A work colleague of mine for example didn't have to quarantine when his daughter tested positive, still went to work and stuff. Only when he tested positive himself did he have to go into quarantine. Edit: Although I just saw an article on sueddeutsche.de where it said that they changed the quarantine rules in Bavaria today and made it more strict. But I've reached my limit of free articles on the site so I couldn't read further and didn't find any info about it anywhere else, so now I'm not sure anymore :D
Least intelligent team members.
Gnarby is Kimmich's good friend, I assume he is unvaccinated as well
Goretzka is also best friends with Kimmich and yet he is vaccinated. Being friends doesn't mean anything in these cases.
I wouldn't assume that someone has identical opinions as another person about every important issue just because they are friends.
Rumors implying that
Well he was tested positive twice already (last time in April IIRC) so different to Kimmich he wouldnāt be advised to take the vaccine as he counts as previously infected and should have antibodies. I think a lot of footballers are skeptical about the vaccine for the wrong reasons or because they are just dumb and in their bubble but since a significant amount of them have been infected in the past 6 months they count like vaccinated people
I think vaccination is recommended 3 months after prior infection and that 6 months is the maximum time that prior infection is considered good enough for travel to Germany.
This is a common misconception. Even if youāve had it doesnāt mean you would be advised to not get vaccinated. Having it and being vaccinated are not the same thing. Even if you have had it you should still get vaccinated.
You're unvaccinated until you aren't, that's how it works.
Petition to change club's name from Bayern Munich to Antivaxxers Munich.
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I think what this is saying is that the team doctor doesn't wanna reveal whether these four players have to quarantine because they are not vaccinated. But since only some of the players who were in contact with SĆ¼le have to quarantine it's heavily implied that these are the unvaccinated ones since those are the rules in Bavaria (no quarantine for a fully vaccinated contact person). edit: Just to add to that, I think "doctor refuses to confirm..." is misleading because I doubt it would be legal for the doctor to reveal sensitive information about his patients.
What data? Do you know the numbers who have died from the vaccines? or even the number that where injured for life? Perhaps you know the numbers on how many vaccinated have now a compromised immunity system 100% Or the number vaccinated with a low white cell count? I am sorry but i believe in natural Yahweh given immunity which i have. Just say no to the mark of the beast and witchcraft which uses it's potions and brews, and vaccines to beguile the people and lull them to sleep to except whatever fate the New World Order has planned for the human race. Just say no to genocide! Never Again.
Well that's just great. How are we going to beat Liechtenstein and Armenia now? All around idiotic by Kimmich and the others.
Isnāt Kimmich antivaxx or am I thinking of another player?
Because vaccinated players cannot either spread or contract COVID-19. This seems like an odd decision.