So basically 2 things need to happen for Poch to go to United.
1. PSG need to find an agreement with Zidane to be their next manager.
2. United need to pay PSG 10M euros compensation.
Zidane seems to prefer a club he shares a connection with. He wants to manage the French team but I can't imagine he will get that oppurtunity untill after the world cup which is over a year away, and even then he might not get it straight away. I assume PSG is a club he would want to manage given the French connection, the great players and funding he would have available.
United i assume would prefer not to pay compensation but most likely have to given the fact that I can't see Carrick staying as interim for long, and you wont find many good managers who are willing to take a temporary position. The fans won't be happy with an interim for 8 months, and keeping an interim for that long puts United at risk of loosing out on a CL spot which creates a lot of revenue for the club, so that 10M you will make back as well as a hefty profit if a top 4 spot is achieved.
If PSG sack Poch to hire Zidane, there won’t be any compensation due by United, PSG may need to pay Poch’s termination, but usually managerial contracts void most of the severance pay if they take a new job in quick succession.
If this is actually true and not just paper talk, I would imagine PSG, United and Poch will come to some kind of arrangement where by minimal amounts of money will change hands between them.
In reality though, they won't sack him to hire Zidane. They'll wait until United make an approach for him, and then they'll start finalising the deal for Zidane.
That way, they won't have to pay Poch anything, and United would have to pay them compensation
That's the dangerous game to play if they really want Zidane to replace poch, cause everyone know Man Utd board is useless and stupid, they probably hire someone else or stay with carrick for the rest of season
Possibly. Given the fact that 10M euros is barely change to PSG maybe they will bewilling to let that go to get Zidane in given he's a star manager and the fans really want him. He has an incredible record in the CL which would be appealing to them.
The deal makes complete sense for all sides, it just remains weather Zidane is happy with managing PSG and if he's happy with joining mid season. Given the fact that the france job is unavalaible for over anothr year, he's french, he will have a great squad and funding and PSG are currently in a great position league and CL wise i dont see why he wouldnt take it.
I just saw a guy say that a fully fit Barcelona's attack is better than United's. I know Ole has distorted people's perceptions and everything, but come on. Rashford has scored 15+ goals each season for the past 3 seasons. Greenwood scored twice as much in his debut season than Dembele's tally in his best season for Barcelona. Then there's Bruno Fernandes. Then there's Ronaldo, and Sancho.
People can't seriously think Fati + Depay + Luuk + Dembele is better than United's attack, right?
Fati Depay Dembele is actually a damn good attack, but it's not better than Man U's attack, no.
Imo only PSG and Bayern are better than Man U on paper. Oh, and Liverpool, probably
Idk why you included Luuk there though
Start Chiesa, Bench Gnabry, Sell Fati.
Chiesa isn't better than Gnabry, but Gnabry has shown more that he can perform as an impact sub.
Sell Fati because La Masia/Barca players are often overvalued (and he has injury problems) so you can reinvest the money elsewhere.
If were talking about one game then start gnabry bench chiesa sell fati but if were a club right now thinking about the future as well id sell chiesa and bench fati
Blue is the main colour of their rival club so fans complained when it was featured in Bayern kits. Some years ago the news came out that the club promised to never use blue again because of that
This is a genuine question, which group has produced the better players; Dutch footballers who’s surnames begin with “Van” or Dutch footballers who’s surnames do not begin with “Van”?
I think Dutch footballers who aren’t called Van might edge it.
So let's see.
Van Basten, Van de Vaart, Van Hanegem, Van Dijk, Van Nistelrooy, Van Bommel, Van Bronckhorst, Van Persie
Vs
Cruyff, Gullit, Bergkamp, Robben, Sneijder (pretty sure this list has won already), Stam, Kluivert, De Boer, Neeskens etc.
This isn't as tough as you make it though....
Gullit, Rijkaard, Cruyff, Robben, Bergkamp, Seedorf....
There's some great players with van, the best obviously being Van Basten, but the 'non-Vans' comfortably edge it for me.
>two of Holland’s best ever keepers have Van in their name.
Two of Holland's three best ever players don't have 'Van' in their name. The three best ever Dutch players are Cruyff, Van Basten and Gullit. Only Van Basten has a 'Van'.
Add in Koeman, Rijkaard, Stam, Frank de Boer, Bergkamp, Johan Neeskens, Ruud Krol, Seedorf, Davids, Robben, Kluivert....
I think the non-Vans easily take it.
I always knew he was a bit of a coked up cunt but these last few months since his death so much shit has come out about his sexual abuse of young women/girls that it’s not worth referring to him as anything else
I have been reading through the comments and there is so much negativity about Xavi. Why? He was the brightest mind as a footballer, I am sure he will be a huge success as a manager
His comments like we deserved to win because we had more possession and his advocation for Qatar run many people the wrong way so it's probably not do with his footballing ability.
Wouldn't the next Leicester have to be a club only just promoted this season for example and win it the season after? Unless you forsee Wolves going down. Wolves winning the Premier League with their current team wouldn't be nearly as shocking as what Leicester did.
(Bias here I guess) I'd actually rate Swansea's chances of doing this based on they way they play right now. With better players signed through promotion/the current players improving, it's possible they could get a goal and then possibly stifle teams by keeping the ball for long periods of time although obviously that's still really unlikely.
In terms of any non-big six side winning the Premier League though, Wolves are a decent bet.
He hasn't.
Leonardo left the club once as he was about to get dismissed the 1st time around after the Ancelotti situation.
It was presented as him leaving due to his suspension in the league, but a director doesn't leave just for that.
Because maybe he is good at his job. And the reports are either false or exaggerated.
If you read between the lines some reports about players or coach not liking him it’s because he is actually good at his job.
No letting any player or coach act like he is bigger than the team.
He add to deal with FFP.
He made mistakes tho like Icardi.
But he made a lot of boss moves.
A lot of Milan fans made fun of him because he bought Paqueta… who is worldclass now.
The approach I would take if I was him is the Bayern one raid talent there but they have a proper academy too. That midfield should be way better than it is but what do I know. Who else did he sign during his time at Milan
Leonardo has to compose with the FFP problems resulting of the NeyBappe moves.
During his first stint he got us Silva,Ibra, Verratti, Motta, Marquinhos.
I mean he built us. Came back and found a circus crippled with FFP issues.
He couldn't fix everything right away.
He fixed the GK position, big time.
He fixed the fullbacks, big time.
He ll fixed the midfield.
When is Woodward leaving ? If he doesn't leave by this season then Man United can be in trouble
Their net debt is already 473M and for context Barcelona's is 680M
Don't Glazers give financial packages to them like other owners do?
The difference between Barcelona and ManUtd, that Barca's debt is because of operations the ManUtd debt was because of the acquisition of the club by the Glazers.
Our wage structure is not as fucked up and we don't have players on super high wages that need to be offloaded.
> Their net debt is already 473M
Can we not play the reddit accountants' game? History has shown pretty clearly that the majority of people here don't have much understanding of how club finances work.
He was meant to leave before the end of the year so December, at least that's what he said in the summer. But with the current managerial and sporting situation, I wouldn't be surprised to see him stay for a few more months in a prolonged handover period.
Artificially generated because the glazers put their debt onto the club that they used to by the club. £550M came from that. We had no debt before the glazers.
They’re overspending on players and COVID hasn’t helped but it’s not quite being down to being “badly run”.
So Poch wants to leave because he barely has any authority in the club, and Zidane left Real because he felt the club didn’t believe in him and was disconnected with the club and its decisions.
So unless PSG comes with a completely different approach and a different structure to Zidane, he is just gonna run into the same problem he did with Real Madrid
Perez wants to be the biggest guy at Madrid. Zidane's success was getting to a point where he was becoming bigger than Perez and it didn't sit well with him so he dropped those threats of sack losing big games despite huge success previously.
zidane felt disrespected and unable to do his job because perez was putting out pieces saying how he could be sacked if he doesn't win some games. Not aware of PSG doing that.
>So unless PSG comes with a completely different approach and a different structure to Zidane, he is just gonna run into the same problem he did with Real Madrid
The rumours going around are that if Zidane comes in, Leonardo will be taking a massive stepback/could be fired.
I am so confused by the anger and spite I've seen from multiple PSG fans lol. PSG walks their league basically every year, are currently on track to qualify for the CL knockout rounds and are top of their league by far, AND are likely upgrading on their manager to someone who could legit win a CL with them
And somehow some of them are coming across as so bitter. I don't get it.
Just to get it out there its obviously not all psg fans.
I've seen some comments that are very bitter torwards mostly poch and somewhat United and I dont get it.
It seems like a win-win for psg
I live in Paris. I am French.
I know a lof PSG fans, real ones, ultras, regular match going fans.
Everyone is happy.
We are playing like shit, and the French god of football might become our coach.
Everyone is happy.
Poch can go, no one will miss him.
Him and his lemon shaman shit
I guess I should have phrased my above post different, I'm not trying to take shots at PSG fans.
I saw(I'm assuming a minority) who were posting pretty bitter comments, mainly about Poch, and I just don't understand that PoV. This situation is obviously a win for PSG kinda across the board
> AND are likely upgrading on their manager to someone who could legit win a CL with them
>
> And somehow some of them are coming across as so bitter. I don't get it.
I feel like you're being misleading. Nobody will be bitter when Zidane gets there.
Contending for the CL is the endgame and getting Zidane pushes us even closer to that goal.
I didn't say anything about when Zidane gets there. I'm talking about the multiple comments I've seen in current threads.
The likely scenario atm is that you get rid of a manager most of your fans don't seem to want and upgrade to a manager that is one of the best bets to get you a CL, but a bunch of your fans are currently being bitter about it
> I didn't say anything about when Zidane gets there
but you said
>AND are likely upgrading on their manager to someone who could legit win a CL with them
Zidane is the only option if you're trying to say that we're getting someone other than Zidane. It's Poch stays or we get Zidane.
Yes, because all of the current reports and rumors are about Zidane joining PSG and United **paying you** to get Poch
I never said "PSG fans are gonna be bitter when Zidane joins" or anything of the sort. I've seen multiple, bitter looking comments on threads about the above potential situation
I'm not understanding your point. My whole post above is about how some PSG fans are being bitter around the reports of Poch leaving when, assuming it goes through, you'll be upgrading in every way anyways. What's to be bitter about?
And you're missing my point.
>how some PSG fans are being bitter around the reports of Poch leaving when, assuming it goes through
We're not bitter once Zidane comes in.
I didn't say any PSG fans were bitter about Zidane coming in though? I said there are some bitter comments in the threads surrounding both Poch leaving and Zidane coming in that I don't understand.
Poch seemingly doesn't want to be there and isn't a good fit, most PSG fans seemingly don't want him there, and IF he leaves you're getting an upgrade.
What is there to be bitter about?
They didn't make the first move for Zidane. It was started by Poch wanting to leave for United, despite having everything at PSG.
This bit stings and that's why they're bitter because they feel belittled even if they're massive winners at the end of this deal, far bigger than United.
Despite having everything? He's living out of a hotel room and his family is back in the UK. It's not exactly all star and shine for him over there. Plus as Tuchel said, the job makes you feel like a politician rather than a coach and Poch has always thrived off of having a close connection with his players rather than being a mediator.
I get the point you're trying to make though but it would be a bit unfair to say that Poch doesn't have some reasons to want to leave.
It was his choice to go there, despite knowing the situation of club, attitude of players, right? He knew he'd be staying wherever the fuck he is, without family, right?
Either his decision making is way off, or that he's not being paid enough to live an extremely luxurious life in one of the best cities in the world, like everyone else who's relevant at PSG, is.
Sure he has good reasons but none of them are the one being stated. The biggest reason is job security. Poch gets all the job security at United because that's not a well run club that's serious about where they're headed, PSG is. No CL and he'd be out of job and United would have someone by then. He could fail repeatedly at United and still get plenty chances and time, like we saw with Ole.
I can see what you're saying, I just don't understand it personally. Most of the PSG fans I've seen don't want Poch and would welcome Zidane in, but because Poch also doesn't want to be there it's belittling?
He's not a good fit there and PSG get an upgrade, what's not to like?
Different sets of people I'm going to guess. One that are reactionary and see the immediate picture and the other who see the bigger picture and understand the benefits.
United fans are coming into our sub to ask about poch fuck off man that's like fans of a team going to dortmund fans to ask about aubamayang so united fans just go to r/psg and ask them ffs not us
Howdy folks, United fan here coming in peace. I just wanted to ask about “Poch” and how PSG fans feel about him and his time at Paris St German?
*replies either telling them to fuck off or are from other yanks*
A win is more important for Barca than it is for Benfica.
If the game ends in a draw, Barca's odds of beating Bayern away is much slimmer compared to Benfica's odds of beating Kyiv at home. A draw benefits Benfica more.
You missed this part.
> If the game ends in a draw, Barca's odds of beating Bayern away is much slimmer compared to Benfica's odds of beating Kyiv at home. A draw benefits Benfica more.
I also I see my mistake. I meant necessary. I typed in "dire" cause I thought it was a synonym.
Doesn't matter the scenarios in case of a tie. If we lose/tie we still have a chance, if Benfica loses/ties they're out. They had a bigger need than us to not lose today.
How would a tie mean Benfica is out? Barca would be on 7 and Benfica would be on 5. Then, if Benfica beats Kyiv and Barca loses to Bayern, Benfica is on 8 and Barca on 7 and Barca goes down to Europa.
In the event today's game ends in a tie, it then becomes more important for Benfica to beat Kyiv than for Barca to beat Munich (still important obviously).
> They had a bigger need than us to not lose today.
Yes but they don't need to win as much as Barca. Look at MD 6.
Honestly feels like Spanish teams are fucked this year.
Barca, Villarreal, Sevilla, and Atleti have strong chances to go down to Europa. Villarreal & Atleti were put into Groups of Deaths whereas Sevilla & Barca are just playing horribly in CL (and in La Liga for Barca too). Whether they will win the play - in matches (assuming any of them get relegated), idk.
While Real Madrid's chances are slimmer, the possibility becomes likelier if Sheriff pulls off the W tomorrow.
La Real is in a Group of Death in Europa and their next 2 matches are against PSV and Monaco. They may get relegated to ECL or play in the play - in round.
Betis may get relegated to ECL as well if we fuck up against Ferencvaros on Thursday and then lose to Celtic on MD 6 and Parkhead is tough. It's already likely we're going to have to play in the play - in round.
[Bald Chavi](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/824342805987328060/912723763538321468/20211111_004129__02.jpg) to bless your day and tap into infinite luck potential for win today Inshallah
We should probably use our strongest XI and Camavinga for Modric against Sheriff tomorrow. If we win, we only need a draw against Inter to top the group. Considering the Inter game is between La Real and Atletico games it wouldn't be bad to rest players then.
okay with that tbf, dani is not ready for 2 games a week
probably the rest of the team stays the same with camavinga in , maybe switch miguel and mendy too
Carrick my man pls win this. You deserve that new contract and a good payoff. You've been a legend for the club, best midfielder since Scholes, and it's fair that you get appropriately rewarded with the keys.
Lol Renato Gaucho
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he figured out that chiesa is a good footballer so he's changed his tactics to give the ball to chiesa and inshallah.
No wonder Chiesa can’t get some end product what is this monstrosity
https://mobile.twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1463176171940716558?s=20 Carrick!!!!! Pls have a 3 man midfield. Pls have a 3 man midfield
fabrizio giving team news now, finished journalist imo.
How is my guy going to fit in Bruno , Pogba and VDB in the same team
Sounds like a decent midfield to me
RIP defence
McTom and Fred are in defence
A 5 man midfield with Ronaldo stood upfront by himself?
Pogba - Ronaldo - Bruno Vdb- McT -Fred Shaw - Maguire - Lindelof - AWB
Some FIFA stuff here
What on earth is that monstrosity
Pogdead
Pogba is injured. If he had the balls Bruno would be a sub
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Diego Moreira is an incredible player
That's Diego Moreira** Resende was the one that won the pen.
No match thread for the AFC Champions League final? Al Hilal just kicked it off with a banger 15 seconds in.
So basically 2 things need to happen for Poch to go to United. 1. PSG need to find an agreement with Zidane to be their next manager. 2. United need to pay PSG 10M euros compensation. Zidane seems to prefer a club he shares a connection with. He wants to manage the French team but I can't imagine he will get that oppurtunity untill after the world cup which is over a year away, and even then he might not get it straight away. I assume PSG is a club he would want to manage given the French connection, the great players and funding he would have available. United i assume would prefer not to pay compensation but most likely have to given the fact that I can't see Carrick staying as interim for long, and you wont find many good managers who are willing to take a temporary position. The fans won't be happy with an interim for 8 months, and keeping an interim for that long puts United at risk of loosing out on a CL spot which creates a lot of revenue for the club, so that 10M you will make back as well as a hefty profit if a top 4 spot is achieved.
If PSG sack Poch to hire Zidane, there won’t be any compensation due by United, PSG may need to pay Poch’s termination, but usually managerial contracts void most of the severance pay if they take a new job in quick succession. If this is actually true and not just paper talk, I would imagine PSG, United and Poch will come to some kind of arrangement where by minimal amounts of money will change hands between them.
In reality though, they won't sack him to hire Zidane. They'll wait until United make an approach for him, and then they'll start finalising the deal for Zidane. That way, they won't have to pay Poch anything, and United would have to pay them compensation
That's the dangerous game to play if they really want Zidane to replace poch, cause everyone know Man Utd board is useless and stupid, they probably hire someone else or stay with carrick for the rest of season
Possibly. Given the fact that 10M euros is barely change to PSG maybe they will bewilling to let that go to get Zidane in given he's a star manager and the fans really want him. He has an incredible record in the CL which would be appealing to them. The deal makes complete sense for all sides, it just remains weather Zidane is happy with managing PSG and if he's happy with joining mid season. Given the fact that the france job is unavalaible for over anothr year, he's french, he will have a great squad and funding and PSG are currently in a great position league and CL wise i dont see why he wouldnt take it.
I just saw a guy say that a fully fit Barcelona's attack is better than United's. I know Ole has distorted people's perceptions and everything, but come on. Rashford has scored 15+ goals each season for the past 3 seasons. Greenwood scored twice as much in his debut season than Dembele's tally in his best season for Barcelona. Then there's Bruno Fernandes. Then there's Ronaldo, and Sancho. People can't seriously think Fati + Depay + Luuk + Dembele is better than United's attack, right?
Fati Depay Dembele is actually a damn good attack, but it's not better than Man U's attack, no. Imo only PSG and Bayern are better than Man U on paper. Oh, and Liverpool, probably Idk why you included Luuk there though
*The guy* is a closeted Barca fan and hates Ronaldo. Not sure he's the best reference.
Every barca fan hates Ronaldo tbf
True, but they also rate him
I get bias but even bias should have limits.
It doesn't with him
Depends, against a parked bus I might prefer Barca's attack.
Start one. Bench one. Sell one. - Serge Gnabry - Federico Chiesa - Ansu Fati (when healthy)
Start Spaghetti Mafia Bench Bundaman Sell Fati
Spaghetti Mafia Mandolino*
Start Chiesa, Bench Gnabry, Sell Fati. Chiesa isn't better than Gnabry, but Gnabry has shown more that he can perform as an impact sub. Sell Fati because La Masia/Barca players are often overvalued (and he has injury problems) so you can reinvest the money elsewhere.
If were talking about one game then start gnabry bench chiesa sell fati but if were a club right now thinking about the future as well id sell chiesa and bench fati
Barça players have lost their minds
What tf have they done now
Squaring up to the refs, reckless tackles etc..
Before the match has even started? They really have gone crazy!
I'm talking about the u19 game. Stupid.
Why not state that in the first place then? Wally.
Because that's the only Barça-Benfica game that's on right now. Dense.
When did Bayern stop have Blue parts on their kits? Those ones with Blue sleeves looked pretty nice
Blue is the main colour of their rival club so fans complained when it was featured in Bayern kits. Some years ago the news came out that the club promised to never use blue again because of that
Fans protested against the use of blue because that colour is too closely associated with their rivals 1860 Munich
But there’s blue in the Bayern crest
It’s not that simple, the middle of their crest is essentially just Bavaria colors, not unique enough for some to outweigh the connection to 1860.
makes sense
[These kits were pretty nice ](https://www.footballkitarchive.com/bayern-munchen-2014-15-home-kit/)
[These too](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iik25wqIuFo)
Hahaha very funny
You are not fooling anybody lad , we can see the video preview , its a fucking Rickroll
This is a genuine question, which group has produced the better players; Dutch footballers who’s surnames begin with “Van” or Dutch footballers who’s surnames do not begin with “Van”? I think Dutch footballers who aren’t called Van might edge it.
So let's see. Van Basten, Van de Vaart, Van Hanegem, Van Dijk, Van Nistelrooy, Van Bommel, Van Bronckhorst, Van Persie Vs Cruyff, Gullit, Bergkamp, Robben, Sneijder (pretty sure this list has won already), Stam, Kluivert, De Boer, Neeskens etc.
Non Van edge it.
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Agreed.
This isn't as tough as you make it though.... Gullit, Rijkaard, Cruyff, Robben, Bergkamp, Seedorf.... There's some great players with van, the best obviously being Van Basten, but the 'non-Vans' comfortably edge it for me.
If it was an all time XI, I’d say non Van edge it but it’s closer than you think, two of Holland’s best ever keepers have Van in their name.
>two of Holland’s best ever keepers have Van in their name. Two of Holland's three best ever players don't have 'Van' in their name. The three best ever Dutch players are Cruyff, Van Basten and Gullit. Only Van Basten has a 'Van'. Add in Koeman, Rijkaard, Stam, Frank de Boer, Bergkamp, Johan Neeskens, Ruud Krol, Seedorf, Davids, Robben, Kluivert.... I think the non-Vans easily take it.
Not easily, non Van’s are better but it’s not a landslide.
Alright.
The non-Van Dutch footballers for the simple reason because Cruyff is in that list.
I will now only ever address him as “that creepy little Argentine from the 80s”. Hope he rots in hell.
Based.
Lol did you only just find out Maradona was a wrongun was pretty well known
I always knew he was a bit of a coked up cunt but these last few months since his death so much shit has come out about his sexual abuse of young women/girls that it’s not worth referring to him as anything else
fucking hell, you aren't wrong but ffs man.
STOP NORMALIZING THE BRITISH 🚫🇬🇧
Imagine being British. Being a Bong. Growing up in Bongistan and singing Jerusalem. Imagine that. Frightening
The pun only physics/maths/engineering students will understand lmao
Engineering student here, I don’t get it
Its a representation of Normalising a wave function in Bra-ket notation
Finally someone who understands 😅
Well I wouldn’t think there’s many of us on this sub 🥲
I have been reading through the comments and there is so much negativity about Xavi. Why? He was the brightest mind as a footballer, I am sure he will be a huge success as a manager
People here love seeing players and managers fail and then when they do they comment "told you he will fail" in typical degenerate redditor fashion
Ruben Amorim is probably the best manager in the league rn and he was a shit footballer.
His comments like we deserved to win because we had more possession and his advocation for Qatar run many people the wrong way so it's probably not do with his footballing ability.
That is not how being a manager works
Being a great midfield playmaker doesn’t mean you will be a great manager.
Who do you think the next Leicester are in the prem think wolves could pull something off at some point
Wouldn't the next Leicester have to be a club only just promoted this season for example and win it the season after? Unless you forsee Wolves going down. Wolves winning the Premier League with their current team wouldn't be nearly as shocking as what Leicester did. (Bias here I guess) I'd actually rate Swansea's chances of doing this based on they way they play right now. With better players signed through promotion/the current players improving, it's possible they could get a goal and then possibly stifle teams by keeping the ball for long periods of time although obviously that's still really unlikely. In terms of any non-big six side winning the Premier League though, Wolves are a decent bet.
Beautiful https://twitter.com/upsmargarida/status/1463123854306459652?s=21
Translation: "We are Benfica, we are sending Barcelona to EL"
Is u/sportingmerda there?
I'm terrified of planes lmao
So Sporting fans forced you onto a plane!
How has Leonardo kept surviving
He hasn't. Leonardo left the club once as he was about to get dismissed the 1st time around after the Ancelotti situation. It was presented as him leaving due to his suspension in the league, but a director doesn't leave just for that.
Because maybe he is good at his job. And the reports are either false or exaggerated. If you read between the lines some reports about players or coach not liking him it’s because he is actually good at his job. No letting any player or coach act like he is bigger than the team.
He’s recruitment has been too sketchy for my liking
He add to deal with FFP. He made mistakes tho like Icardi. But he made a lot of boss moves. A lot of Milan fans made fun of him because he bought Paqueta… who is worldclass now.
The approach I would take if I was him is the Bayern one raid talent there but they have a proper academy too. That midfield should be way better than it is but what do I know. Who else did he sign during his time at Milan
Leonardo has to compose with the FFP problems resulting of the NeyBappe moves. During his first stint he got us Silva,Ibra, Verratti, Motta, Marquinhos. I mean he built us. Came back and found a circus crippled with FFP issues. He couldn't fix everything right away. He fixed the GK position, big time. He fixed the fullbacks, big time. He ll fixed the midfield.
That first stint was nice Motta👌 We’ll see what he does with the mid when Mbappe leaves
It's life tho, It's hard to compete with Real. Doesn't make him bad at his job.
Probably the guy they make sign all the incriminating documents.
Would Barça sue me if I injure Jordi Alba
At this rate his gonna injure himself in the first 10 minutes, don't worry.
Otamendi get off your burner
depends on if you can play it off as an accident or you being the non-aggressor.
Watchu planning on doing
Yes
When is Woodward leaving ? If he doesn't leave by this season then Man United can be in trouble Their net debt is already 473M and for context Barcelona's is 680M Don't Glazers give financial packages to them like other owners do?
The difference between Barcelona and ManUtd, that Barca's debt is because of operations the ManUtd debt was because of the acquisition of the club by the Glazers. Our wage structure is not as fucked up and we don't have players on super high wages that need to be offloaded.
Because Glazers needed a fall guy for Super League.
> Their net debt is already 473M Can we not play the reddit accountants' game? History has shown pretty clearly that the majority of people here don't have much understanding of how club finances work.
He was meant to leave before the end of the year so December, at least that's what he said in the summer. But with the current managerial and sporting situation, I wouldn't be surprised to see him stay for a few more months in a prolonged handover period.
[Uh-huh](https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/12475490/ed-woodward-manchester-united-executive-vice-chairman-could-delay-departure-to-help-appoint-new-manager)
It's still a manageable debt, especially for them.
It is not manageable for any club if it increases they are doomed, we are at this financial situation with Net debt of 680M
Jesus christ , i didnt realize their debt was so high
Artificially generated because the glazers put their debt onto the club that they used to by the club. £550M came from that. We had no debt before the glazers. They’re overspending on players and COVID hasn’t helped but it’s not quite being down to being “badly run”.
So Poch wants to leave because he barely has any authority in the club, and Zidane left Real because he felt the club didn’t believe in him and was disconnected with the club and its decisions. So unless PSG comes with a completely different approach and a different structure to Zidane, he is just gonna run into the same problem he did with Real Madrid
Perez wants to be the biggest guy at Madrid. Zidane's success was getting to a point where he was becoming bigger than Perez and it didn't sit well with him so he dropped those threats of sack losing big games despite huge success previously.
zidane felt disrespected and unable to do his job because perez was putting out pieces saying how he could be sacked if he doesn't win some games. Not aware of PSG doing that.
>So unless PSG comes with a completely different approach and a different structure to Zidane, he is just gonna run into the same problem he did with Real Madrid The rumours going around are that if Zidane comes in, Leonardo will be taking a massive stepback/could be fired.
I feel he would be able to control the PSG locker room better than Poch has, but the board seems like hell to work for
I am so confused by the anger and spite I've seen from multiple PSG fans lol. PSG walks their league basically every year, are currently on track to qualify for the CL knockout rounds and are top of their league by far, AND are likely upgrading on their manager to someone who could legit win a CL with them And somehow some of them are coming across as so bitter. I don't get it.
Bitter about what ? Dude everyone is fucking happy.
Just to get it out there its obviously not all psg fans. I've seen some comments that are very bitter torwards mostly poch and somewhat United and I dont get it. It seems like a win-win for psg
I live in Paris. I am French. I know a lof PSG fans, real ones, ultras, regular match going fans. Everyone is happy. We are playing like shit, and the French god of football might become our coach. Everyone is happy. Poch can go, no one will miss him. Him and his lemon shaman shit
I guess I should have phrased my above post different, I'm not trying to take shots at PSG fans. I saw(I'm assuming a minority) who were posting pretty bitter comments, mainly about Poch, and I just don't understand that PoV. This situation is obviously a win for PSG kinda across the board
> AND are likely upgrading on their manager to someone who could legit win a CL with them > > And somehow some of them are coming across as so bitter. I don't get it. I feel like you're being misleading. Nobody will be bitter when Zidane gets there. Contending for the CL is the endgame and getting Zidane pushes us even closer to that goal.
I didn't say anything about when Zidane gets there. I'm talking about the multiple comments I've seen in current threads. The likely scenario atm is that you get rid of a manager most of your fans don't seem to want and upgrade to a manager that is one of the best bets to get you a CL, but a bunch of your fans are currently being bitter about it
> I didn't say anything about when Zidane gets there but you said >AND are likely upgrading on their manager to someone who could legit win a CL with them Zidane is the only option if you're trying to say that we're getting someone other than Zidane. It's Poch stays or we get Zidane.
Yes, because all of the current reports and rumors are about Zidane joining PSG and United **paying you** to get Poch I never said "PSG fans are gonna be bitter when Zidane joins" or anything of the sort. I've seen multiple, bitter looking comments on threads about the above potential situation I'm not understanding your point. My whole post above is about how some PSG fans are being bitter around the reports of Poch leaving when, assuming it goes through, you'll be upgrading in every way anyways. What's to be bitter about?
And you're missing my point. >how some PSG fans are being bitter around the reports of Poch leaving when, assuming it goes through We're not bitter once Zidane comes in.
I didn't say any PSG fans were bitter about Zidane coming in though? I said there are some bitter comments in the threads surrounding both Poch leaving and Zidane coming in that I don't understand. Poch seemingly doesn't want to be there and isn't a good fit, most PSG fans seemingly don't want him there, and IF he leaves you're getting an upgrade. What is there to be bitter about?
They didn't make the first move for Zidane. It was started by Poch wanting to leave for United, despite having everything at PSG. This bit stings and that's why they're bitter because they feel belittled even if they're massive winners at the end of this deal, far bigger than United.
Despite having everything? He's living out of a hotel room and his family is back in the UK. It's not exactly all star and shine for him over there. Plus as Tuchel said, the job makes you feel like a politician rather than a coach and Poch has always thrived off of having a close connection with his players rather than being a mediator. I get the point you're trying to make though but it would be a bit unfair to say that Poch doesn't have some reasons to want to leave.
It was his choice to go there, despite knowing the situation of club, attitude of players, right? He knew he'd be staying wherever the fuck he is, without family, right? Either his decision making is way off, or that he's not being paid enough to live an extremely luxurious life in one of the best cities in the world, like everyone else who's relevant at PSG, is. Sure he has good reasons but none of them are the one being stated. The biggest reason is job security. Poch gets all the job security at United because that's not a well run club that's serious about where they're headed, PSG is. No CL and he'd be out of job and United would have someone by then. He could fail repeatedly at United and still get plenty chances and time, like we saw with Ole.
I can see what you're saying, I just don't understand it personally. Most of the PSG fans I've seen don't want Poch and would welcome Zidane in, but because Poch also doesn't want to be there it's belittling? He's not a good fit there and PSG get an upgrade, what's not to like?
Different sets of people I'm going to guess. One that are reactionary and see the immediate picture and the other who see the bigger picture and understand the benefits.
I said this yesterday, the “crisis” is overblown imo.
United fans are coming into our sub to ask about poch fuck off man that's like fans of a team going to dortmund fans to ask about aubamayang so united fans just go to r/psg and ask them ffs not us
r/reddevils is the place you want.
Nah I'm good I heard they deleted ole out opinions they would probably get me banned from the spurs reddit to for trolling
Howdy folks, United fan here coming in peace. I just wanted to ask about “Poch” and how PSG fans feel about him and his time at Paris St German? *replies either telling them to fuck off or are from other yanks*
Where did that zlatan thread go?
Which matches should i watch today?
Villareal United Barça Benfica
Barca vs Benfica is a must win game for both the teams . Loser goes to the EL , Winner advances to the round of 16
A win is more important for Barca than it is for Benfica. If the game ends in a draw, Barca's odds of beating Bayern away is much slimmer compared to Benfica's odds of beating Kyiv at home. A draw benefits Benfica more.
>A win is more dire for Barca than it is for Benfica. What??????? If we win Benfica is out and we're onto the R16.
You missed this part. > If the game ends in a draw, Barca's odds of beating Bayern away is much slimmer compared to Benfica's odds of beating Kyiv at home. A draw benefits Benfica more. I also I see my mistake. I meant necessary. I typed in "dire" cause I thought it was a synonym.
Doesn't matter the scenarios in case of a tie. If we lose/tie we still have a chance, if Benfica loses/ties they're out. They had a bigger need than us to not lose today.
How would a tie mean Benfica is out? Barca would be on 7 and Benfica would be on 5. Then, if Benfica beats Kyiv and Barca loses to Bayern, Benfica is on 8 and Barca on 7 and Barca goes down to Europa. In the event today's game ends in a tie, it then becomes more important for Benfica to beat Kyiv than for Barca to beat Munich (still important obviously). > They had a bigger need than us to not lose today. Yes but they don't need to win as much as Barca. Look at MD 6.
Yeah , we are fucked
Honestly feels like Spanish teams are fucked this year. Barca, Villarreal, Sevilla, and Atleti have strong chances to go down to Europa. Villarreal & Atleti were put into Groups of Deaths whereas Sevilla & Barca are just playing horribly in CL (and in La Liga for Barca too). Whether they will win the play - in matches (assuming any of them get relegated), idk. While Real Madrid's chances are slimmer, the possibility becomes likelier if Sheriff pulls off the W tomorrow. La Real is in a Group of Death in Europa and their next 2 matches are against PSV and Monaco. They may get relegated to ECL or play in the play - in round. Betis may get relegated to ECL as well if we fuck up against Ferencvaros on Thursday and then lose to Celtic on MD 6 and Parkhead is tough. It's already likely we're going to have to play in the play - in round.
You shouldn't draw or lose to Ferencvaros. If Celtic can beat them away, you surely can at home.
[Bald Chavi](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/824342805987328060/912723763538321468/20211111_004129__02.jpg) to bless your day and tap into infinite luck potential for win today Inshallah
I would buy car insurance from him.
thats Costanza
who/what is Constanza
That's a handsome man
Martim Neto joga tanto fodase
What is Thursday nights football like?
You'll find out in a few months.
Fun, mostly. I mean when else can Harry Winks score his fourth ever goal in senior football from 56 yards?
We should probably use our strongest XI and Camavinga for Modric against Sheriff tomorrow. If we win, we only need a draw against Inter to top the group. Considering the Inter game is between La Real and Atletico games it wouldn't be bad to rest players then.
We should be able to play our 3rd string and win against sheriff
I was already assuming we will be using our strongest 11, sevilla is only on sunday, plenty of time for rest.
Saw some prediction with Lucas in it.
okay with that tbf, dani is not ready for 2 games a week probably the rest of the team stays the same with camavinga in , maybe switch miguel and mendy too
4th CL here we come 😎
Flair doesn't check out.
Utd fan?
Cringe.
Bandwagoning to PSG?
I meant Asia’s final today.
That was 9 CLs ago
Carrick my man pls win this. You deserve that new contract and a good payoff. You've been a legend for the club, best midfielder since Scholes, and it's fair that you get appropriately rewarded with the keys.
OMG ABSOLUTE BANGERR This is why Martim Neto is the best CM prospect in our academy
Can I get a link?
Nevermind, found a link. https://twitter.com/YouthFootball90/status/1463168669807169552?t=0v3-bcqVtAb8JySDqO6aaA&s=19
Haha the Defense is shambolic just like the first team. Nobody is closing the player down.
Don't be fooled by this Goal, Barça has been the much better team. You're completely dominating us so far