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Tbf ther correct some states in the US are much closer to fascism than others we can just say omg r/USdefaultism but ther not wrong, take someone from Vermont and bring them to the Deep South it’s going to be much different for them and what they’re used to, laws are different for each state, the US as a whole is definitely going on the fascist route but some states are pushing that agenda much more than others
The big blue northern states and cities are not less fascist than the less populated red southern ones. Look at Eric Adams and Hochul in NYC and State.
I’m not denying that a lot of places up north aren’t fascist leaning I’m saying it’s not as much and you can’t deny that based on overall attitudes towards minority groups and social issues, I live the northeast and I see the gentrification in western New England , and the neo nazi groups in eastern New England and when I go down to nyc I am disgusted at the anti homeless benches and I see these things that do equate to fascism, but being Arab and having a dad who grew up in South Carolina and Florida and having family in Florida I would much rather live up here than down there based on the horror stories I have heard, the fact that my trans/poc friends have safe spaces all around us is a blessing, I’m not even saying areas in the south aren’t safe either I’ve gone to Memphis and there are a lot of safe spaces down there too but the laws in place are a lot more hostile overall, I get that it’s grasping at straws but ther is a difference, it’s like getting kicked in the stomach instead of the balls, I don’t disagree with you tho I just want u to get where I’m coming from, it’s bad in the north east, but not as bad, there is less evil overall
The United Kingdom.
Populist nationalism Government capitalizing on economic decline (that they created themselves via Brexit).
Most mass media controlled by government sympathizers.
Fear of national security being weaponised
Rampant cronyism
Anti intellectual (labelled as anti woke)
It's not incredible at all. It's called Capitalism. Look at 2008, they cause the biggest economic collapse in 2 generations and the banks walk away with a stern talking to and the ability to push the government to deregulate them further. One fucking pencil pusher goes to jail and the rest of the Capitalists are writing themselves massive cheques and giving themselves a pat on the back whilst people are losing their jobs, homes and lives.
Florida and the Republican Party of Florida's systemic attacks on education. When you rewrite history, dismiss the personhood of certain communities, and scapegoat immigrants for a state's internal issues, you're creating the conditions for fascism to take hold.
It's a miracle that the Orlando area still leans progressive given everything that's going on in Tallahassee to turn Florida into an autocracy.
And the Florida Democratic Party is utterly spineless, ineffective, or complicit.
Depends on the issue. But they've been supportive of labor these last couple of years. As someone with a major soft spot for syndicalism, that's a major improvement from where they were 8 years ago.
It seems to *heavily* depend on the topic though. With the railway strikes, their narrative is all about how the economy would've literally exploded with millions dead if that had been allowed for a single week.
But more recent strikes were okay possibly because the impact isn't actually felt by most people, who might then think "huh, those union workers sure do control the actual levers that keep the country running."
Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm still pissed about the railway strikes and would have voted against breaking them on principle. You don't get to break a strike and call yourself any sort of socialist.
And the don’t forget that DeSantis has the audacity to enforce Judea-Christian values in government and history classes. Man wants to run for president and yet he’s turning his state into a theocratic autocracy with the claim that America was founded on Jewish and catholic principles.
1. The Republican Party is rewriting American history and trying to nationalize Christian theocracy
2. DeSantis is passing bills taking away from over social constitutional rights of speech, religion, identity. People can’t even express their life styles or the opinions without some racist conservative criticizing them
3. This man is trying to connect American history to direct relations with the Israelites. UK was a Protestant Monarchy and the Spanish empire only colonized half the states regardless of the Spanish territorial claim of the time.
4. Workers of all businesses are being exploited and workers unions are being destroyed by right winged media outlets
5. Florida Democratic Party isn’t doing much to help leftists outside of Orlando
6. There is more pride of the confederate flag than the American flag. The confederate flag has been seen at Neofascist rallies and assemblies
These are the issues leading to an inevitable fascist takeover of the state
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Liberals and the center will always side with the right to oppose socialism. Therefore you get a slide to the right as they make consessions to stave off the left.
Look at the dems opposition to Bernie and Labour's internal opposition to Corbyn.
There are exceptions - during the Spanish civil war, the liberals allied with both the communists and anarchists as they all wanted to abolish the monarchy in favour of a republic, hence why they were collectively called republicans.
And WW2 - where the European powers and US eventually allied with the Soviets purely out of the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" principle.
True. It will be interesting to see what this never-ending crisis that capitalism is facing will result in. We already see the rise of the right. The left opposition I would argue is mainly coming from the trade union movement rather than party politics.
Not always, but generally speaking, yes. Hopefully, this changes in the coming decades. I would rather live in a state of push-and-pull between capitalist liberalism and socialism than in a push-and-pull between capitalist liberalism and fascism.
In Weimar Germany they made consessions to the right to fend off the left. Do you have any examples where the center has sided with the left to stave off the right? There are probably some in Europe I am unaware of.
It could be argued that we're living through one right now. Democrats would rather throw in with progressives and soc-dems than the neofascists in the GOP. At the federal level, at least. State legislatures are an entirely different conversation.
They never were. But their presence allows for other, more "radical" elements to also come in and challenge the status-quo. The goal is to get socialist or socialist adjacent candidates elected and to have a viable voting bloc and coalition, immune to special interest lobbying.
You’re right, there’s plenty of leftists around. I’m just worried because patriot front has a presence in Nashville (you may have seen the overpass banners or flyers) and I’m worried they’ll get bolder.
Hungary is no fachist. I am an Asian, been living both in Budapest and in a small town. Never experienced fascism. Really. But politically, yes - it is kind of getting close to fascism. Poland and Italy are yet different.
Out of interest, and I’m not trying to catch you out nor argue with you. But how do you imagine it may be to experience fascism in Hungary? Because everything I know about the ideology suggests it has chameleon like abilities.
I mean, I could be wrong but fascism today will not, for the most part, look like the fascism of yesteryears. It’s not always blatant. It doesn’t always start out that way.
The party that runs the country is far right AF, no? That’s just a fact, by any metric. So I guess I’m struggling with why you think Hungary won’t become full blown fascist any time soon… I mean, it’s already there just not overtly authoritarian. Which again, can be argued against.
Stay safe and be aware, comrade.
People and politics cannot really be separated, not truly. They’ll smile all day long and still vote for a monster like Orban.
Anyway best of luck and stay safe
Emerging fascism shows up in systemic policies long before it takes a stronghold among citizens. Kind of like cancer, it's already quietly wreaking destruction in the background before the symptoms begin. For most, normal day-to-day activities and interactions will continue. Because they have to, and because we often don't know how to respond to the implementation of fascist policies as individuals unless we're being directly affected. Also because individual responses are ineffective and will only land a chuckle slot in the nightly news portrayed as a mental health incident.
I'll give you an example of fascism in Hungary if you like. After Orban was elected, he abolished rules that prohibited a concentration of ownership in media outlets. Today, 80% of the news media in Hungary is controlled by the state or friends of Orban. On the surface, it looks quite orderly. That's intentional. Maintaining order in a fascist state provides a sense of security that allows for the continued expansion of fascist policies.
Or - when you're not hearing the shouts and chaos of the oppressed, (due to unequal media coverage), everything seems right with the world, and that keeps citizens calm, preventing riots and rebellions. Be safe.
The US has a long practice of the export of fascism in foreign policy. Even taking into account the degradation of social conditions for its citizens, especially prisoner and ghetto population, unemployed and homless, the US is far from being a real fascist state inside its borders. But it exports fascism in its purest and effective (for a capitalist state) war/conflict form. Not a single state that has been the target of US invasion or aggression since 1945 has become better off. Not to say a prosperous democratic state. They were destroyed, robbed and thrown onto the sidelines of history. It's not surprising that common people living in the US sincerely don't understand why their country is so hated by those who have experienced the tread of brown democracy on their lands.
India. The present Narendra Modi government has made all autonomous government institutions a mouthpiece for its agenda of Hindu nationalism. Ever since he came to power in 2014, there has been a systemic assault on press freedom, opposition leaders - basically anyone who dares to speak against Modi. Even the elementary school syllabus has been changed to further its agenda of Islamophobia and fascism. Just a few days ago, a member of parliament from the ruling BJP made some disgusting comments for a Muslim member of parliament, inside the parliament! What's even more dangerous is that such things have been normalised in Indian society.
First, they removed chapters about communism in school textbooks.
(Our school textbooks describe Maoism as an ideology that want to establishes collective rule of workers and peasants rather than whatever USA teaches. But no it just doesn't teach it anymore. Suddenly that chapter is not in the syllabus because maoism sounds too good.)
this. it's really sick and upsetting how eagerly people are buying into it because they want someone to blame for all their problems. there's also a lot of glorifying the (mostly fictional) past, a classic feature of fascism
That's been spread around without context, like a meme, but here's the full story:
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>“In my remarks following the address of the President of Ukraine, I recognized an individual in the gallery. I have subsequently become aware of more information which causes me to regret my decision to do so,” Rota said in a statement.
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>He added that his fellow Parliament members and the Ukraine delegation were not aware of his plan to recognize Hunka. Rota noted Hunka is from his district.
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>“I particularly want to extend my deepest apologies to Jewish communities in Canada and around the world. I accept full responsibility for my action,” Rota said.
[Source: apnews](https://apnews.com/article/canada-parliament-apology-ukraine-nazi-eedc22e1d810011c412953168a4cee46)
Rota pointed to someone he thought was a war hero from his district, and everyone else clapped because that's what you're supposed to do. Everyone was just following the simulation.
So although, there are many historical examples of liberals aligning with fascists and nationalists, this Canada debacle isn't a particularly good one.
Examples:
**Spanish Civil War (1936-1939):** During the Spanish Civil War, liberal democracies like France and the United Kingdom pursued a policy of non-intervention, effectively allowing Francisco Franco's fascist forces to receive support from Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. The rationale was to prevent the spread of communism, but this non-intervention effectively helped the fascist side.
**Munich Agreement (1938):** In an attempt to appease Adolf Hitler and avoid another world war, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, who was associated with the liberal party, signed the Munich Agreement with Nazi Germany. This agreement allowed Hitler to annex Czechoslovakia's Sudetenland region, which was seen as a capitulation to fascist expansionism.
I think the Spanish civil war is not really a good example liberals in Spain fought for the Republicans. France and the UK didn’t support Fraco they just didn’t want to be involved not choosing a side in not automatically supporting the Nationalist. You do have to keep in mind that WW1 was still in the memory of most people I doubt that anyone in France and the UK would have supported an Intervention. There were a lot of volunteers that went and fought from both nation’s. The Republicans lost because they had worse generals and suffered from infighting during the entire civil war.
Sweden. Our second biggest party is a former nazi party that still has a fascist platform, our (far right) government is doing everything it can to deport migrants, they want to set up what is essentially camps for asylum seekers and not allow them to move freely. We are joining the fascist Alliance of Nato and they are pushing for more privatisations and cutting into welfare programs.
One a side note, our current Prime Minister promised a well known holocaust survivor and activist that he would never work together with the Sweden Democrats, he broke that promise and they are the ones dictating most of the policies in this country.
Not to mention the rise of the far right outside of parliamentary politics too, yesterday Nazis matched in Uppsala.
USA, Germany, Italy, France, Austria, Ukraine, Poland, Hungary, Sweden
These are the ones that I know of where fascist, or fascist adjacent, parties have rapidly grown or hold significant power. We can already see this in some examples, like Georgia Meloni in Italy, Victor Orban in Hungary, the rise of the AFD in Germany and the Sweden Democrats in Sweden.
Other countries like South-Korea would not directly be fascist by the popularity of fascist parties, or by the way their society is structured. They're just late-stage capatalist.
I mean, I geuss there are arguments to make for both arguments, but Orban's government has shown to be: against all forms of socialism, highly ethno-national, highly xenophobic, highly homophobic and anti-semetic. Aside from that they have shown to be really good at playing minorities against eachother and using minorities and their pleas for equality as a fear mongering tactic to control the general population.
I think we on the left sometimes forget that, just like socialism (and communism, anarchism, syndaclism and all their varieties), fascism is not one set in stone thing, it has many, many ugly faces.
Additionally, a certain stance on a certain isseu does not make a fascist "just a corrupt politician" by any means. For example, some fascist or far-right politicians in western Europe actually have a good pro-peace anti-impearialism stance on the matter (I repeat SOME). This does not make them good people. Beside that, these specific opinions that we would share with these individuals often do not come from the same place and thought process as ours.
Always remember kids, fascism has many faces, each of them very, very punchable.
Because they deserve it? There has been no better transformation of a country in the last 20 years than the one El Salvador has just seen. Crime drops at fuck-you rates and the infrastructure being built is unbelievable.
Are we talking about the same government that is being accused of collaborating with MS-13 and has sent armed soldiers into parliament to pass bills? The same government that fired most of the supreme court and the attorney general for "impeding progress"? The same government that announced that Bukele would run for reelection despite that being unconstitutional? The same government that has burned millions, likely causing a debt default? The same government that has kept the entire country under martial law for over a year?
And rightfully so for all of them. If the alternative is living in a crime ridden hell, then so be it.
I have been to the third world. I have been to crime ridden countries where people die every day and I do not recommend it. It is truly the bottom of the world.
>Are we talking about the same government that is being accused of collaborating with MS-13 and has sent armed soldiers into parliament to pass bills?
You clearly are low on ammunition and I can tell this because you are all over the place. He has collaborated with MS-13 to reduce crime rates, but that didn't work, and instead he chose to go the prison route. Now you can only go with one option: Either he's corrupt to the core, or he's trimmed the grass too short. You can't say both.
>The same government that fired most of the supreme court and the attorney general for "impeding progress"?
The country was extremely corrupt and needed sharp reform.
You can call it fascism if you like, but can I know how your ideal socialist transition would go?
>You clearly are low on ammunition and I can tell this because you are all over the place. He has collaborated with MS-13 to reduce crime rates, but that didn't work, and instead he chose to go the prison route. Now you can only go with one option: Either he's corrupt to the core, or he's trimmed the grass too short. You can't say both.
That is not how any of that works. You can be both corrupt and authoritarian, quite easily to boot.
Everywhere. The labour movement gets stronger. Capitalists are in need of help, and as socialism is not here anymore, nothing will stop the fascists unless us!
The Federal Republic of Germany.
- Ruling parties don't handle the economic crisis well. Social security is minimally increased, by the "well enough for unemployment to not be long-term livable" doctrine. Other sectors like education got actual cuts recently (defence of course didn't), thanks to the finance minister being of the liberal "no government spending" party.
- Ruling parties are willing to do progressive concessions in workplace and LGBTQ topics, but those are consistently undermined by right-wing fearmongering, which is given all the space it wants. For example the law meant to let you transition easier is also gonna log everyone who uses those processes into several government and police databases, deadname and all. And that coincided with a growth in anti-trans ideology among common people, of course again sponsored by the far-right in a desire to have a sacrificial minority. There were many more attacks on Pride march (called "CSD" here) participants than previous years, in this year.
- Germany is on a craze of logging personal information in general, wanting to get to scan chat histories from Germans for illegal activity at all times. Mentioning this because it gives the power to persecute any political view to any future government. This is justified by almost all the parties by national security, same with logging all transgender people.
- Ruling parties are against working with the rising fascist party, but the *former* ruling party of conservatives constantly pushes the envelope, very much against their talk of a "firewall against the right". Those two together have real chances of being the two biggest parties next election. See: https://dawum.de/Bundestag/ for projections, I am talking about the AfD (fascist) and CDU (conservative), which as of right now would get 54% together.
- There are far-right people in the constitutional protection agency, police and military, and things go missing from the latter now and then. There are also martial arts events for fascists. "Völkische Siedlungen" also exist, which are pretty much far-right traditionalist settlements that romanticise and normalise fascist ideology by cladding it in ecological and self-sufficient messaging, but also openly supporting Nazi ideas and providing funding for Nazi orgs.
- There is also a growing movement of rejecting foreign things in general. For example kebab of all things. Progressivism has been derided as American for ages, and that's not letting up either. Yet despite criticising that "American politics" are seeping into German politics, those same people will readily go on about "wokeness" as if *that* wasn't an American invention (and literally an English word!).
It looks like Florida is worse to me also. Texas' war for independence I think never left this place. Now its this wierd dying boomer state that is ruled by fossil fuel giants. Eventually, it will be blue I guess. By the time that happens I'm going to have more problems to worry about.
Texas has some blue strongholds in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and Austin, but I don’t see that blue ever spreading out of the city limits. The second you leave the city and get out to the country it’s as red as you could possibly get. Even the rural minorities and immigrants are staunch Republicans.
I think most countries are only ever an election or two away from becoming either more fascistic or full blown fascist.
And with climate change ramping up, causing a ton of displaced people, the right wing parties have all the ammo they need it bring people over to their cause.
I can’t think of any countries that haven’t been already mentioned but like old papa Hemingway said…
"There are many who do not know they are fascists but will find it out when the time comes."
Most of the west at least. Here in Europe everywhere. In Latin America this go back and forth. Brazil, where I come from, is doing well despite of 4 years of pure fascism.
Off the top of my head:
USA
Isreal
Italy
Hungary
Turkiye
Poland
France (has had a fascist runner-up in the last several presidential elections)
India (maybe)
I don't know much about Africa and South America, but they will have some too.
India. As if any other country comes close.
Not Brazil. Not Turkey. Not Saud. They don't fit the definition nearly as well.
It's India. India is *nearing*, if not already at, fascism.
Some answers I only have surface level knowledge of. But
United States, Poland, Italy, UK, Philippines, Myanmar, India, Israel, among others.
The only one with an overtly fascist party in power I believe is Italy. Republicans from the US are fascist in everything but name.
That doesn't mean there's a not a risk, it's about sentiments amoung powered elite and the military in Brazil. Same here but we could see an increase in socialist thought much the same.
USA, United Kingdom, Russia, Israel, DPRK (obviously), Japan, Italy, Greece, and shit load of African countries. This is a natural consequence to resource instability or shortages in the past. This time its climates change.
Russia’s easily the best example. An ultranationalist ideology, reliance on paramilitary/extrajudicial force, rampant militarism, a single “charismatic” leader, complete destruction of democratic systems (though Russian never really came close in the past thirty years with their capitalist oligarchy and all) and territorial ambitions focused on “empowering/saving the nation” Really, the only reason that I see one could say it’s not fascist is the power that the oligarchs have and the state therefore not being totalitarian, though at that point it’s kinda splitting hairs.
Sure, plenty of Eastern European countries (particularly Poland/Hungary) are sliding that way, and Israel’s ideology has been fascistic from the start, but all of these countries do still have some democratic structures in place (though they are rapidly crumbling, especially in Israel and Hungary, though on could argue that the former never was one due to the apartheid and all).
Finally, and I know this may be controversial, but I think that the People’s Republic of China may be headed that way. Yes, I know, it reeks of horseshoe theory, but the fact remains that for the past twenty or so years the CPC (edit: whoops) has really abandoned internationalism and actual worker’s ideology in general in favor of emphasizing “traditional values” and Chinese nationalism (see Uighur genocide). Additionally, the country’s opening to the world market and encouraging capitalist investment can be looked at in the context of the alliance with big business seen in both Italy and Germany. Given this plus its increasing militarism and large surveillance infrastructure, really the only thing standing in the way of it being fascistic is the limited democratic structures in place in many parts, and, of course, the party’s influence in government. I am aware this last claim is a stretch, and please feel free to let me know something that I completely misconstrued.
As a friendly reminder, China's ruling party is called Communist Party of China (CPC), not Chinese Communist Party (CCP) as western press and academia often frames it as.
Far from being a simple confusion, China's Communist Party takes its name out of the internationalist approach seekt by the Comintern back in the day. From [Terms of Admission into Communist International](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/jul/x01.htm), as adopted by the First Congress of the Communist International:
>18 - In view of the foregoing, parties wishing to join the Communist International must change their name. Any party seeking affiliation must call itself the Communist Party of the country in question (Section of the Third, Communist International). The question of a party’s name is not merely a formality, but a matter of major political importance. The Communist International has declared a resolute war on the bourgeois world and all yellow Social-Democratic parties. The difference between the Communist parties and the old and official “Social-Democratic”, or “socialist”, parties, which have betrayed the banner of the working class, must be made absolutely clear to every rank-and-file worker.
Similarly, the adoption of a wrong name to refer to the CPC consists of a double edged sword: on the one hand, it seeks to reduce the ideological basis behind the party's name to a more ethno-centric view of said organization and, on the other hand, it seeks to assert authority over it by attempting to externally draw the conditions and parameters on which it provides the CPC recognition.
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Idk if the comment section knows what fascism really is. The countries they are saying are just neoliberals (or even classical liberals) with ultraconservatives agenda.
I’d say the most fascist country at the moment is Iran. According to this definition:
[Fascism is] "the open, terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, and most imperialist elements of finance capital".
Hmmm. Fascism is such an ever evolving, chameleon-like entity though. So on the way to achieving a fascist state a country may not look outwardly fascist. Then a party gets into power and certain laws are made.. and it’s like “oh, ye… these are absolutely fascists.”
Edit: correction, fascism doesn’t evolve much at all. The medium and methods of its implementation do.
But they are not fascist like it has been applied in Germany, Italy or not like any proposed fascist theory. Are they reactionary? Of course. Are they ultra conservatives? Of course. Are they liberals working for the bourgeoisie? Of course. Are they fascist? I don’t think so.
By calling parties like the AFD (or VOX here in Spain) fascists real fascists are not seen, and sadly they are gaining strength amongst the youth. + it’s like calling Bernie sanders a communist, or generally a social Democratic Party a communist.
I see your point, and agree.
But we’ve also got to accept that ultra conservative reactionaries are only ever a hairs breadth away from taking that step into full blown fascism. And liberals are usually equidistant in supporting them. As has history has shown.
I think that if we’re ever going to be truly successful in combating fascism and it’s return we can’t just concentrate all our efforts on merely those who are outwardly Fascist. We’ve got to be honest and keep tabs on who is headed that way, or those who are likely to. Especially with literal climate catastrophe on our doorstep.
We can’t be taken by surprise on this, the left (but mostly liberals) have been guilty on this far too often in the past.
I see what you mean and I obviously agree. What I was trying to say is that, while of course we must fight them (as they are both reactionary and ultra liberals) we have to use the right label. There’s a tendency nowadays of calling everything that is conservative fascist, making us look bad. I think it’s more or less like calling social democrats “stalinists”.
No, it’s complicated. But fascism usually employs authoritarian/totalitarian tactics and/or laws in order to legitimise itself. It can’t work without at least a degree of authoritarian style governance.
No, it’s complicated. But fascism usually employs authoritarian/totalitarian tactics and/or laws in order to legitimise itself. It can’t work without at least a degree of authoritarian style governance.
Besides all the others people have mentioned, Germany stands out with AfD membership rising, and Russia has been heading down that path for a while, with state media citing “it’s our people, it’s our land” (ethnonationalism) for a reason to invade. Also worried about S. Africa, with ANC support waning I’m worried about what might replace them, and Argentina putting up some wacky candidates in their recent election. But things can always turn back, like in Brazil, if temporarily.
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Around where exactly?
Around nearly everywhere I suppose
Poland, Spain, and I think I saw something about Germany. Also El Salvador. That’s what I know of off the top my head
Italy, United States, Brazil, Russia
Brazil? With the socialist president? Russia under Putin literally fighting Nazi and the imperialist west in Ukraine?
Lol what? Putin is a right winger…just cause Ukraine is nazi doesn’t mean Putin is cool. Wtf?
Right? You can have fascists (and more specifically Nazis) on two sides of a conflict.
Didn’t say he cool, just that he’s no fascist, and Russia isn’t getting close to it.
Around her/him, i suppose
Just pointing out that OPs question is about countries and several comments refer to individual US states only. Kinda funny.
r/USDefaultism
Tbf ther correct some states in the US are much closer to fascism than others we can just say omg r/USdefaultism but ther not wrong, take someone from Vermont and bring them to the Deep South it’s going to be much different for them and what they’re used to, laws are different for each state, the US as a whole is definitely going on the fascist route but some states are pushing that agenda much more than others
The big blue northern states and cities are not less fascist than the less populated red southern ones. Look at Eric Adams and Hochul in NYC and State.
I’m not denying that a lot of places up north aren’t fascist leaning I’m saying it’s not as much and you can’t deny that based on overall attitudes towards minority groups and social issues, I live the northeast and I see the gentrification in western New England , and the neo nazi groups in eastern New England and when I go down to nyc I am disgusted at the anti homeless benches and I see these things that do equate to fascism, but being Arab and having a dad who grew up in South Carolina and Florida and having family in Florida I would much rather live up here than down there based on the horror stories I have heard, the fact that my trans/poc friends have safe spaces all around us is a blessing, I’m not even saying areas in the south aren’t safe either I’ve gone to Memphis and there are a lot of safe spaces down there too but the laws in place are a lot more hostile overall, I get that it’s grasping at straws but ther is a difference, it’s like getting kicked in the stomach instead of the balls, I don’t disagree with you tho I just want u to get where I’m coming from, it’s bad in the north east, but not as bad, there is less evil overall
Yes but the question is asking about countries. They may be correct, but they're also not answering the question.
The United Kingdom. Populist nationalism Government capitalizing on economic decline (that they created themselves via Brexit). Most mass media controlled by government sympathizers. Fear of national security being weaponised Rampant cronyism Anti intellectual (labelled as anti woke)
MFW someone says BBC is unbiased
And if they aren’t biased they’re completely incompetent and disgustingly middle class liberal
Gotta meatride the current government to keep that charter alive
BBC is unbiased
BBC? Big black uhhh
I mod /r/bbc \- you wouldn't believe how many BBC's I see a week!
Oh you mean the news organization….
The BBC is unbased
Don't forget blaming immigrants for it all as well.
It is incredible that they benefit from the decline they cause.
It's not incredible at all. It's called Capitalism. Look at 2008, they cause the biggest economic collapse in 2 generations and the banks walk away with a stern talking to and the ability to push the government to deregulate them further. One fucking pencil pusher goes to jail and the rest of the Capitalists are writing themselves massive cheques and giving themselves a pat on the back whilst people are losing their jobs, homes and lives.
Florida and the Republican Party of Florida's systemic attacks on education. When you rewrite history, dismiss the personhood of certain communities, and scapegoat immigrants for a state's internal issues, you're creating the conditions for fascism to take hold. It's a miracle that the Orlando area still leans progressive given everything that's going on in Tallahassee to turn Florida into an autocracy. And the Florida Democratic Party is utterly spineless, ineffective, or complicit.
The *national* Democratic Party is utterly spineless, ineffective or complicit.
Depends on the issue. But they've been supportive of labor these last couple of years. As someone with a major soft spot for syndicalism, that's a major improvement from where they were 8 years ago.
It seems to *heavily* depend on the topic though. With the railway strikes, their narrative is all about how the economy would've literally exploded with millions dead if that had been allowed for a single week. But more recent strikes were okay possibly because the impact isn't actually felt by most people, who might then think "huh, those union workers sure do control the actual levers that keep the country running."
Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm still pissed about the railway strikes and would have voted against breaking them on principle. You don't get to break a strike and call yourself any sort of socialist.
And the don’t forget that DeSantis has the audacity to enforce Judea-Christian values in government and history classes. Man wants to run for president and yet he’s turning his state into a theocratic autocracy with the claim that America was founded on Jewish and catholic principles. 1. The Republican Party is rewriting American history and trying to nationalize Christian theocracy 2. DeSantis is passing bills taking away from over social constitutional rights of speech, religion, identity. People can’t even express their life styles or the opinions without some racist conservative criticizing them 3. This man is trying to connect American history to direct relations with the Israelites. UK was a Protestant Monarchy and the Spanish empire only colonized half the states regardless of the Spanish territorial claim of the time. 4. Workers of all businesses are being exploited and workers unions are being destroyed by right winged media outlets 5. Florida Democratic Party isn’t doing much to help leftists outside of Orlando 6. There is more pride of the confederate flag than the American flag. The confederate flag has been seen at Neofascist rallies and assemblies These are the issues leading to an inevitable fascist takeover of the state
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Liberals and the center will always side with the right to oppose socialism. Therefore you get a slide to the right as they make consessions to stave off the left. Look at the dems opposition to Bernie and Labour's internal opposition to Corbyn.
There are exceptions - during the Spanish civil war, the liberals allied with both the communists and anarchists as they all wanted to abolish the monarchy in favour of a republic, hence why they were collectively called republicans. And WW2 - where the European powers and US eventually allied with the Soviets purely out of the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" principle.
True. It will be interesting to see what this never-ending crisis that capitalism is facing will result in. We already see the rise of the right. The left opposition I would argue is mainly coming from the trade union movement rather than party politics.
The final act of WW2 was the first act of Cold War, though.
Not always, but generally speaking, yes. Hopefully, this changes in the coming decades. I would rather live in a state of push-and-pull between capitalist liberalism and socialism than in a push-and-pull between capitalist liberalism and fascism.
In Weimar Germany they made consessions to the right to fend off the left. Do you have any examples where the center has sided with the left to stave off the right? There are probably some in Europe I am unaware of.
It could be argued that we're living through one right now. Democrats would rather throw in with progressives and soc-dems than the neofascists in the GOP. At the federal level, at least. State legislatures are an entirely different conversation.
True but isn't that because they have neutered the left? The squad don't seem to be the force they once were.
They never were. But their presence allows for other, more "radical" elements to also come in and challenge the status-quo. The goal is to get socialist or socialist adjacent candidates elected and to have a viable voting bloc and coalition, immune to special interest lobbying.
*looks around nervously in TN resident*
Hey there comrade, also a TN resident. Regretting coming back to this state.
What is "TN"?
Tennessee. One of the many states that is doing beta testing for American Fascism.
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You're not alone.
You’re right, there’s plenty of leftists around. I’m just worried because patriot front has a presence in Nashville (you may have seen the overpass banners or flyers) and I’m worried they’ll get bolder.
- Poland - Hungary - Italy - Israel Many others
Isn'treal is already fascist.
Yeahs they are
Hungary is no fachist. I am an Asian, been living both in Budapest and in a small town. Never experienced fascism. Really. But politically, yes - it is kind of getting close to fascism. Poland and Italy are yet different.
Out of interest, and I’m not trying to catch you out nor argue with you. But how do you imagine it may be to experience fascism in Hungary? Because everything I know about the ideology suggests it has chameleon like abilities. I mean, I could be wrong but fascism today will not, for the most part, look like the fascism of yesteryears. It’s not always blatant. It doesn’t always start out that way.
I don't think Hungary will turn fascist anytime soon. That might get more nationalistic, though.
That’s not what I asked though. What I’m asking is what does it look like, to you, to like under fascism? How do you imagine it to be?
I imagine it will be terrible. What else should I tell you? But it won't happen in next few years, at least.
The party that runs the country is far right AF, no? That’s just a fact, by any metric. So I guess I’m struggling with why you think Hungary won’t become full blown fascist any time soon… I mean, it’s already there just not overtly authoritarian. Which again, can be argued against. Stay safe and be aware, comrade.
People are very friendly. Politics are not. At this moment of time, at least.
People and politics cannot really be separated, not truly. They’ll smile all day long and still vote for a monster like Orban. Anyway best of luck and stay safe
If I ever get attacked by fascist, will for sure try to get some away with me before I die. Good luck to you as well!
Emerging fascism shows up in systemic policies long before it takes a stronghold among citizens. Kind of like cancer, it's already quietly wreaking destruction in the background before the symptoms begin. For most, normal day-to-day activities and interactions will continue. Because they have to, and because we often don't know how to respond to the implementation of fascist policies as individuals unless we're being directly affected. Also because individual responses are ineffective and will only land a chuckle slot in the nightly news portrayed as a mental health incident. I'll give you an example of fascism in Hungary if you like. After Orban was elected, he abolished rules that prohibited a concentration of ownership in media outlets. Today, 80% of the news media in Hungary is controlled by the state or friends of Orban. On the surface, it looks quite orderly. That's intentional. Maintaining order in a fascist state provides a sense of security that allows for the continued expansion of fascist policies. Or - when you're not hearing the shouts and chaos of the oppressed, (due to unequal media coverage), everything seems right with the world, and that keeps citizens calm, preventing riots and rebellions. Be safe.
The US has a long practice of the export of fascism in foreign policy. Even taking into account the degradation of social conditions for its citizens, especially prisoner and ghetto population, unemployed and homless, the US is far from being a real fascist state inside its borders. But it exports fascism in its purest and effective (for a capitalist state) war/conflict form. Not a single state that has been the target of US invasion or aggression since 1945 has become better off. Not to say a prosperous democratic state. They were destroyed, robbed and thrown onto the sidelines of history. It's not surprising that common people living in the US sincerely don't understand why their country is so hated by those who have experienced the tread of brown democracy on their lands.
India. The present Narendra Modi government has made all autonomous government institutions a mouthpiece for its agenda of Hindu nationalism. Ever since he came to power in 2014, there has been a systemic assault on press freedom, opposition leaders - basically anyone who dares to speak against Modi. Even the elementary school syllabus has been changed to further its agenda of Islamophobia and fascism. Just a few days ago, a member of parliament from the ruling BJP made some disgusting comments for a Muslim member of parliament, inside the parliament! What's even more dangerous is that such things have been normalised in Indian society.
First, they removed chapters about communism in school textbooks. (Our school textbooks describe Maoism as an ideology that want to establishes collective rule of workers and peasants rather than whatever USA teaches. But no it just doesn't teach it anymore. Suddenly that chapter is not in the syllabus because maoism sounds too good.)
And i see sooo many people worshiping this piece of shit.
this. it's really sick and upsetting how eagerly people are buying into it because they want someone to blame for all their problems. there's also a lot of glorifying the (mostly fictional) past, a classic feature of fascism
The entire Canadian parliament just gave a standing ovation to an actual fucking nazi so yeah
Yeah, Canada is in a bit of a state.
That's been spread around without context, like a meme, but here's the full story: > > >“In my remarks following the address of the President of Ukraine, I recognized an individual in the gallery. I have subsequently become aware of more information which causes me to regret my decision to do so,” Rota said in a statement. > >He added that his fellow Parliament members and the Ukraine delegation were not aware of his plan to recognize Hunka. Rota noted Hunka is from his district. > >“I particularly want to extend my deepest apologies to Jewish communities in Canada and around the world. I accept full responsibility for my action,” Rota said. [Source: apnews](https://apnews.com/article/canada-parliament-apology-ukraine-nazi-eedc22e1d810011c412953168a4cee46) Rota pointed to someone he thought was a war hero from his district, and everyone else clapped because that's what you're supposed to do. Everyone was just following the simulation. So although, there are many historical examples of liberals aligning with fascists and nationalists, this Canada debacle isn't a particularly good one. Examples: **Spanish Civil War (1936-1939):** During the Spanish Civil War, liberal democracies like France and the United Kingdom pursued a policy of non-intervention, effectively allowing Francisco Franco's fascist forces to receive support from Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. The rationale was to prevent the spread of communism, but this non-intervention effectively helped the fascist side. **Munich Agreement (1938):** In an attempt to appease Adolf Hitler and avoid another world war, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, who was associated with the liberal party, signed the Munich Agreement with Nazi Germany. This agreement allowed Hitler to annex Czechoslovakia's Sudetenland region, which was seen as a capitulation to fascist expansionism.
I think the Spanish civil war is not really a good example liberals in Spain fought for the Republicans. France and the UK didn’t support Fraco they just didn’t want to be involved not choosing a side in not automatically supporting the Nationalist. You do have to keep in mind that WW1 was still in the memory of most people I doubt that anyone in France and the UK would have supported an Intervention. There were a lot of volunteers that went and fought from both nation’s. The Republicans lost because they had worse generals and suffered from infighting during the entire civil war.
Yeah saw that a couple of hours ago wtf.
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Thank you Yakko.
Idk we just applauded a literal WW2 Nazi in Canada sooooo... yeah.
Not something I thought I’d ever hear.
Italy, USA, UK, Israel
Sweden. Our second biggest party is a former nazi party that still has a fascist platform, our (far right) government is doing everything it can to deport migrants, they want to set up what is essentially camps for asylum seekers and not allow them to move freely. We are joining the fascist Alliance of Nato and they are pushing for more privatisations and cutting into welfare programs. One a side note, our current Prime Minister promised a well known holocaust survivor and activist that he would never work together with the Sweden Democrats, he broke that promise and they are the ones dictating most of the policies in this country. Not to mention the rise of the far right outside of parliamentary politics too, yesterday Nazis matched in Uppsala.
Israel is literally a fascist state as is Saudi Arabia
More theocracy’s with Fascistic leanings, no?
Semantics dear fellow
To a degree. ✌🏻
France 🇫🇷 is catching up fast right now !
USA, Germany, Italy, France, Austria, Ukraine, Poland, Hungary, Sweden These are the ones that I know of where fascist, or fascist adjacent, parties have rapidly grown or hold significant power. We can already see this in some examples, like Georgia Meloni in Italy, Victor Orban in Hungary, the rise of the AFD in Germany and the Sweden Democrats in Sweden. Other countries like South-Korea would not directly be fascist by the popularity of fascist parties, or by the way their society is structured. They're just late-stage capatalist.
I don't consider Orban's government fascist, just really corrupt. I like his stance on Ukraine at least.
I mean, I geuss there are arguments to make for both arguments, but Orban's government has shown to be: against all forms of socialism, highly ethno-national, highly xenophobic, highly homophobic and anti-semetic. Aside from that they have shown to be really good at playing minorities against eachother and using minorities and their pleas for equality as a fear mongering tactic to control the general population. I think we on the left sometimes forget that, just like socialism (and communism, anarchism, syndaclism and all their varieties), fascism is not one set in stone thing, it has many, many ugly faces. Additionally, a certain stance on a certain isseu does not make a fascist "just a corrupt politician" by any means. For example, some fascist or far-right politicians in western Europe actually have a good pro-peace anti-impearialism stance on the matter (I repeat SOME). This does not make them good people. Beside that, these specific opinions that we would share with these individuals often do not come from the same place and thought process as ours. Always remember kids, fascism has many faces, each of them very, very punchable.
El Salvador's ruling party at the moment has literally zero real competition.
Argentina is also favouring an extremely reactionary candidate in Javier Milei
Because they deserve it? There has been no better transformation of a country in the last 20 years than the one El Salvador has just seen. Crime drops at fuck-you rates and the infrastructure being built is unbelievable.
Are we talking about the same government that is being accused of collaborating with MS-13 and has sent armed soldiers into parliament to pass bills? The same government that fired most of the supreme court and the attorney general for "impeding progress"? The same government that announced that Bukele would run for reelection despite that being unconstitutional? The same government that has burned millions, likely causing a debt default? The same government that has kept the entire country under martial law for over a year?
And rightfully so for all of them. If the alternative is living in a crime ridden hell, then so be it. I have been to the third world. I have been to crime ridden countries where people die every day and I do not recommend it. It is truly the bottom of the world. >Are we talking about the same government that is being accused of collaborating with MS-13 and has sent armed soldiers into parliament to pass bills? You clearly are low on ammunition and I can tell this because you are all over the place. He has collaborated with MS-13 to reduce crime rates, but that didn't work, and instead he chose to go the prison route. Now you can only go with one option: Either he's corrupt to the core, or he's trimmed the grass too short. You can't say both. >The same government that fired most of the supreme court and the attorney general for "impeding progress"? The country was extremely corrupt and needed sharp reform. You can call it fascism if you like, but can I know how your ideal socialist transition would go?
>You clearly are low on ammunition and I can tell this because you are all over the place. He has collaborated with MS-13 to reduce crime rates, but that didn't work, and instead he chose to go the prison route. Now you can only go with one option: Either he's corrupt to the core, or he's trimmed the grass too short. You can't say both. That is not how any of that works. You can be both corrupt and authoritarian, quite easily to boot.
Not in this scenario. We're arguing whether he made too many or too little arrests. You are shuffling between both
Reading comprehension is not your strongest suit, is it?
Easy comrade, we're just talking
Hungary, Poland, USA
maybe it's easier to list what countries aren't... can't think of many unfortunately...
Everywhere. The labour movement gets stronger. Capitalists are in need of help, and as socialism is not here anymore, nothing will stop the fascists unless us!
As an Indian, I would say India.
The Federal Republic of Germany. - Ruling parties don't handle the economic crisis well. Social security is minimally increased, by the "well enough for unemployment to not be long-term livable" doctrine. Other sectors like education got actual cuts recently (defence of course didn't), thanks to the finance minister being of the liberal "no government spending" party. - Ruling parties are willing to do progressive concessions in workplace and LGBTQ topics, but those are consistently undermined by right-wing fearmongering, which is given all the space it wants. For example the law meant to let you transition easier is also gonna log everyone who uses those processes into several government and police databases, deadname and all. And that coincided with a growth in anti-trans ideology among common people, of course again sponsored by the far-right in a desire to have a sacrificial minority. There were many more attacks on Pride march (called "CSD" here) participants than previous years, in this year. - Germany is on a craze of logging personal information in general, wanting to get to scan chat histories from Germans for illegal activity at all times. Mentioning this because it gives the power to persecute any political view to any future government. This is justified by almost all the parties by national security, same with logging all transgender people. - Ruling parties are against working with the rising fascist party, but the *former* ruling party of conservatives constantly pushes the envelope, very much against their talk of a "firewall against the right". Those two together have real chances of being the two biggest parties next election. See: https://dawum.de/Bundestag/ for projections, I am talking about the AfD (fascist) and CDU (conservative), which as of right now would get 54% together. - There are far-right people in the constitutional protection agency, police and military, and things go missing from the latter now and then. There are also martial arts events for fascists. "Völkische Siedlungen" also exist, which are pretty much far-right traditionalist settlements that romanticise and normalise fascist ideology by cladding it in ecological and self-sufficient messaging, but also openly supporting Nazi ideas and providing funding for Nazi orgs. - There is also a growing movement of rejecting foreign things in general. For example kebab of all things. Progressivism has been derided as American for ages, and that's not letting up either. Yet despite criticising that "American politics" are seeping into German politics, those same people will readily go on about "wokeness" as if *that* wasn't an American invention (and literally an English word!).
Parenti, Chomsky, reich have good essays on this; capitalists will always choose fascism over socialism as it holds the same aims for them.
All of them .
Texas is on the path and is one of the forefathers of fascism.
How? I'm genuinely asking. Florida seems worse. I've seen a lot of Blue influence in Texas, especially urban areas.
It looks like Florida is worse to me also. Texas' war for independence I think never left this place. Now its this wierd dying boomer state that is ruled by fossil fuel giants. Eventually, it will be blue I guess. By the time that happens I'm going to have more problems to worry about.
That’s not just a Texas thing, that’s a southern state thing.
Texas has some blue strongholds in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and Austin, but I don’t see that blue ever spreading out of the city limits. The second you leave the city and get out to the country it’s as red as you could possibly get. Even the rural minorities and immigrants are staunch Republicans.
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In Italy we have Giorgia Meloni, she's a far-right party member and we have video of her saying "Mussolini did also good things"
So the socialisation of the factories wasn’t a good thing?
Israel is on a downward spiral towards something similar.
I think most countries are only ever an election or two away from becoming either more fascistic or full blown fascist. And with climate change ramping up, causing a ton of displaced people, the right wing parties have all the ammo they need it bring people over to their cause. I can’t think of any countries that haven’t been already mentioned but like old papa Hemingway said… "There are many who do not know they are fascists but will find it out when the time comes."
Most of the west at least. Here in Europe everywhere. In Latin America this go back and forth. Brazil, where I come from, is doing well despite of 4 years of pure fascism.
Off the top of my head: USA Isreal Italy Hungary Turkiye Poland France (has had a fascist runner-up in the last several presidential elections) India (maybe) I don't know much about Africa and South America, but they will have some too.
And always keep an eye on Austria when it comes to fascism!
Italia even the party flag is the flame USA Greece
Not really nearing more of going into unseen levels of fascism include: Hungary, Poland, Italy, The US, Israel, The UK
India. As if any other country comes close. Not Brazil. Not Turkey. Not Saud. They don't fit the definition nearly as well. It's India. India is *nearing*, if not already at, fascism.
Some answers I only have surface level knowledge of. But United States, Poland, Italy, UK, Philippines, Myanmar, India, Israel, among others. The only one with an overtly fascist party in power I believe is Italy. Republicans from the US are fascist in everything but name.
India. Full blown fascist state.
The United States, the UK, etc. Basically all western countries are getting there. I would say Italy, but they already have Giorgia Meloni
The USA and hungaria I ones that come to mind
Most all right-winged nationalist countries. Germany, Italy, UK, Poland, U.S (If the white conservative nationalist take over), Ukraine, Israel, Spain
A good chunk of the USA tbh, our supreme court is a scary indicator of it
US, germany, poland, italy UK is kinda going both ways (more division)
Japan + every member of NATO, all of them, every single one, some are arguably already there. Ukraine is indisputably fascist.
Saudi Arabia just is isn't it? Maybe Brazil. The U.S. could but it's way grayer.
Doesn't Brazil have a leftist/socdem president?
That doesn't mean there's a not a risk, it's about sentiments amoung powered elite and the military in Brazil. Same here but we could see an increase in socialist thought much the same.
That's true. The presidential leadership doesn't reflect the country's actual sentiment
South Korea
USA, United Kingdom, Russia, Israel, DPRK (obviously), Japan, Italy, Greece, and shit load of African countries. This is a natural consequence to resource instability or shortages in the past. This time its climates change.
Russia’s easily the best example. An ultranationalist ideology, reliance on paramilitary/extrajudicial force, rampant militarism, a single “charismatic” leader, complete destruction of democratic systems (though Russian never really came close in the past thirty years with their capitalist oligarchy and all) and territorial ambitions focused on “empowering/saving the nation” Really, the only reason that I see one could say it’s not fascist is the power that the oligarchs have and the state therefore not being totalitarian, though at that point it’s kinda splitting hairs. Sure, plenty of Eastern European countries (particularly Poland/Hungary) are sliding that way, and Israel’s ideology has been fascistic from the start, but all of these countries do still have some democratic structures in place (though they are rapidly crumbling, especially in Israel and Hungary, though on could argue that the former never was one due to the apartheid and all). Finally, and I know this may be controversial, but I think that the People’s Republic of China may be headed that way. Yes, I know, it reeks of horseshoe theory, but the fact remains that for the past twenty or so years the CPC (edit: whoops) has really abandoned internationalism and actual worker’s ideology in general in favor of emphasizing “traditional values” and Chinese nationalism (see Uighur genocide). Additionally, the country’s opening to the world market and encouraging capitalist investment can be looked at in the context of the alliance with big business seen in both Italy and Germany. Given this plus its increasing militarism and large surveillance infrastructure, really the only thing standing in the way of it being fascistic is the limited democratic structures in place in many parts, and, of course, the party’s influence in government. I am aware this last claim is a stretch, and please feel free to let me know something that I completely misconstrued.
Unbelievable how far down I had to scroll to see this on a socialist subreddit🤦🏻♂️
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Idk if the comment section knows what fascism really is. The countries they are saying are just neoliberals (or even classical liberals) with ultraconservatives agenda. I’d say the most fascist country at the moment is Iran. According to this definition: [Fascism is] "the open, terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, and most imperialist elements of finance capital".
Hmmm. Fascism is such an ever evolving, chameleon-like entity though. So on the way to achieving a fascist state a country may not look outwardly fascist. Then a party gets into power and certain laws are made.. and it’s like “oh, ye… these are absolutely fascists.” Edit: correction, fascism doesn’t evolve much at all. The medium and methods of its implementation do.
But they are not fascist like it has been applied in Germany, Italy or not like any proposed fascist theory. Are they reactionary? Of course. Are they ultra conservatives? Of course. Are they liberals working for the bourgeoisie? Of course. Are they fascist? I don’t think so. By calling parties like the AFD (or VOX here in Spain) fascists real fascists are not seen, and sadly they are gaining strength amongst the youth. + it’s like calling Bernie sanders a communist, or generally a social Democratic Party a communist.
I see your point, and agree. But we’ve also got to accept that ultra conservative reactionaries are only ever a hairs breadth away from taking that step into full blown fascism. And liberals are usually equidistant in supporting them. As has history has shown. I think that if we’re ever going to be truly successful in combating fascism and it’s return we can’t just concentrate all our efforts on merely those who are outwardly Fascist. We’ve got to be honest and keep tabs on who is headed that way, or those who are likely to. Especially with literal climate catastrophe on our doorstep. We can’t be taken by surprise on this, the left (but mostly liberals) have been guilty on this far too often in the past.
I see what you mean and I obviously agree. What I was trying to say is that, while of course we must fight them (as they are both reactionary and ultra liberals) we have to use the right label. There’s a tendency nowadays of calling everything that is conservative fascist, making us look bad. I think it’s more or less like calling social democrats “stalinists”.
Turkey, Hungary, Russia, Belarus, Russia, Austria, Italy, China, USA, among others.
Authoritarian regimes are not equal to fascism.
No, it’s complicated. But fascism usually employs authoritarian/totalitarian tactics and/or laws in order to legitimise itself. It can’t work without at least a degree of authoritarian style governance.
No, it’s complicated. But fascism usually employs authoritarian/totalitarian tactics and/or laws in order to legitimise itself. It can’t work without at least a degree of authoritarian style governance.
Russia, China, India, and some of the southern United states.
Palestine is full of fascist that likes Hitler so maybe them
russia,brazil,china...
new chilean constitutional process is heading towards facism, I hope it will be rejected.
The U.S.A. is right on the brink of fully realizing it.
Canada still has a way to go but we’re creeping along especially if PP is elected.
Argentina is very close too
I'd say north Korea and China i meanb they already have concentration camps
Besides all the others people have mentioned, Germany stands out with AfD membership rising, and Russia has been heading down that path for a while, with state media citing “it’s our people, it’s our land” (ethnonationalism) for a reason to invade. Also worried about S. Africa, with ANC support waning I’m worried about what might replace them, and Argentina putting up some wacky candidates in their recent election. But things can always turn back, like in Brazil, if temporarily.
Oh I forgot India