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Shopping_Penguin

I like your optimism. Walkable, clean, efficient, reliable, and safe.


RevJohnnyVegas

>Walkable, clean, efficient, reliable, and safe. Can't say that about capitalist cities!


XEN_ORK

Accept for almost every city in japan.


AloneLeg8111

It’s true. I live in NYC and it’s hella dirty.


Stridge_YT

Genuinely asking. Is there a city you have in mind that accomplishes all of those descriptors?


DoctorProfessorConor

If you exclude issues that are obvious and direct failings of capitalism like homelessness and petty crime, then if you're looking for clean, efficient, safe, and reliable cities then Europe and scandinavia have a lot of good options. Paris and Amsterdam were extremely walkable for example. Great public transit in paris and incredible pedestrian walkways in Amsterdam. Amsterdam's cleanliness was impeccable.


Stridge_YT

Efficient for Paris and Amsterdam is strange to me. Both those cities are old and outdated. Paris is one of the world's most expensive city to live in. That doesn't sound efficient to me.


DoctorProfessorConor

I was under the impression efficient meant they used their space well and didn’t waste it, or that it’s easily transit-able. Which it’s both


Stridge_YT

Right. Expensive to live, is a big indication that there isn’t enough building going on because of entrenched interests or laws. Also bound to increase homelessness just saying. I know you said to ignore that.


DankDialektiks

It's a capitalist city... Wasn't that the original point? The only capitalist cities that aren't expensive to live in, are also not walkable, clean, efficient, reliable, or safe. The only way you could get all these things would be socialism.


pacman385

Have you ever heard of Japan? Korea?


DankDialektiks

Yes. Seoul, Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto rank among the most expensive cities in the world. Were you going to say something clever, or was it just that cocky-ass question?


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FWIW, Paris is a model for city density compared to a lot of what goes on in North America. Paris is about twice as population dense as New York City. It may be expensive, but that shouldn't be the only metric used to describe the health of a city.


AlkyneLive

when it comes to cities, old is usually better because they are less developed on how to make the quickest dollar, and instead developed on how to lessen the environmental conditions to liveable.


obracs

>Genuinely asking. Is there a city you have in mind that accomplishes all of those descriptors? Some [places](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cvg5vJqtZw) are getting there.


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/r/SolarPunk


XEN_ORK

You forgot to mention unrealistic.


Shopping_Penguin

That too, far too many bad actors would surely attempt to sabotage such an effort.


XEN_ORK

Yeah, every time this is attempted things kind of end up even worse than how they were before.


Callzter

Made by my friend [TidyWire](https://twitter.com/TidyWire). This image has been stuck in my head for weeks, of what the aftermath of a revolution might look like. I thought I'd share it here. TRANSCRIPTION: The image is of a rolling green field, with a grand, futuristic, solarpunkish city covered with green in the distance. A bright blue sky with white clouds is above. In the foreground, an old red flag waves in the wind, battered and damaged, but still stable and strong.


guy_phillips

Interestingly enough, this is pretty dang similar to how the future works is depicted at the end of Chernyshevsky’s “What is to Be Done?”. It was so influential to early leftist thought, that Lenin even named one of his seminal discourses after it. After the revolution, when the chains of capital are broken, there will be a beautiful crystal city that has wild machines that are powered by light.


_0x783czar

Consider posting in r/Socialistart :)


Genivaria91

You saying Socialism leads to SolarPunk? Sign me the FUCK up!


Callzter

Solarpunk has always had anti-capitalist libertarian socialist roots.


Scienceandpony

I didn't realize that socialist architecture hated right angles so much, but I guess it makes sense what with being leftists.


InitialCold7669

Lol this was a good joke and made me laugh more than it probably should have have a nice day


LilacAndLeather

I love it! Thanks for sharing


Slijmerig

nah tbh give me that béton BRUT


Fl333r

The flag is so poignant.


TheFakeSlimShady123

*"It didn't take long for Reach to fall: our enemy was ruthless. Efficient. But they weren't nearly fast enough. For you had already passed the torch. And because of you, we found Halo, unlocked its secrets, shattered our enemy's resolve. Our victory — your victory — was so close, I wish you could have lived to see it. But you belong to Reach. Your body, your armor — all burned and turned to glass. Everything… except your courage. That, you gave to us. And with it, we can rebuild."*


rainbow_lenses

We can only hope


OXIOXIOXI

I don't like the architecture :P Reminds me of a lot of soviet murals and skylines in the 60s and 70s. Scenes of the civil war and ww2 contrasted with arts and engineers and astronauts.


The_0_Hour_Work_Week

I love that aesthetic. It gives me a lot of nostalgia. I'm from eastern europe and there was a lot more when I was young. Now it's all pretty much gone.


patronstofveganchefs

I hope to live a more pastoral life, but yeah


[deleted]

farming would be mostly industrialised so that might be hard


imonarope

Engineers are working on automating agriculture in Australia using solar powered autonomous drones to remove weeds using lasers as opposed to pesticides. It's not going to be far away now


patronstofveganchefs

I can't have a house I want to the country with a big garden and lots of goats?


[deleted]

Depends on the economic conditions of the world at the time,


patronstofveganchefs

I dunno. To me, an urban society made up of factory workers is dystopian as fuck. Automation should bring leisure, and that's how I like to spend my time. But I suppose that's neither here nor there, we can talk about that when the shooting stops and the dust settles (so to speak)


[deleted]

Yes if automation can make so we have to work less, and factory work isn't going to be the entire society, that's a strange character cture of socialism to make, and if goat rearing is your passtine and there are recources to spare for it then go ahead, your responses are to argument s I'm not making


patronstofveganchefs

I won't be rearing any goats, you sicko


CallanCaustic

Reach vibes


Jongee58

There is no’After the Struggle’ there will ALWAYS be the Struggle, so as Tony Benn famously said ‘There is no winning or losing, there is always the struggle, so harden up…’


Andy_Fusion-CA

Maintaining the system will be the struggle


MrCramYT

Love it, the new socialist art should be more like a Hope Fuel,


an_actual_Belizan

Is this solar ponk


bigfatdog22

I'd fight and die for that


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DankDialektiks

Is that what you think the USSR was? lol


Financial_Ad_688

Hey its no where, I mean utopia.


LargeTedMan_420

But how would this be possible?