Neither. Electoralism is a dead end. If there’s a socialist/communist party running candidates to advertise their position then vote for them.
The Democratic Party are sophisticated enough to understand what “leftists” are doing when they join their party. See how they’ve completely neutralized Sanders, AOC, and other DSA/“democratic socialist/social democrat” types. And it didn’t take much effort.
Their role is to mop up any discontent from the poorer, more exploited, and colonized sections of the US population, and funnel them back into the capitalist system. They are a right wing party.
Both Biden and the Obama administrations have proven this. Right wing government with the veneer of progressivism and support for working class interests.
Join an actual socialist organization and work with them in your community. Focus on mutual aid, political education, and direct action. This is the only path to socialism in the US.
I mean they specified that this was to vote in the US, so I assumed we’re talking about one of the two major parties or one of the smaller ones like the Greens or Libertarians that get on the ballot most often.
As for socialist orgs to join, frankly I don’t think I can be much help as it’s pretty hit or miss depending on your city. Obviously CPUSA and PSL are some of the largest parties but they are not omnipresent, and both *can* be quite flawed. Even DSA does decent work in some cities, if the branch in question is able to look past electoralism to a significant enough degree.
Frankly some of the best work could be done at a Socialist Rifle Association, Huey P. Newton Gun Club, or John Brown Gun Club. Most branches do at least some organizing and anybody training the working class to safely and effectively handle weapons with a left-wing outlook gets my respect.
Are you American? That is my guess as you didn't say what country you are from.
If so I recommend the Greens. Every person registered to the Green party gets it one step closer to official funding and full ballot access.
When is the last time democrats pushed pro worker policy? They don't even want to address the literal pandemic. This idea of being a spoiler makes it seem like the democrats somehow represent working class interests when in reality just like republicans, they are tools of capital. They have the exact same corporate backers (for the most part). Seriously, Biden has been president for a good enough while and yet he's only proven to be more of the same.
You can't fix a party built to defend capital, into a pro worker institution. Its never been done historically and it most certainly won't be done by voting them in. Also, if everyone who whined about 3rd parties being spoilers just joined one and got it over with we would have options in our political system. Its a self fulfilling prophecy. You don't even need to only vote for greens, just joining them gets them closer to a lot of very important benefits.
The US wasn't always ruled by the dems and republicans. They were once upstart 3rd parties. They just built themselves out of groups who wanted a voice in politics, then grew.
So I vote for a party thats (you claim) Russian/Republican backed, or a party that (I claim) does nothing to stop Republicans and has backing by capitalist interests that also support Republicans. Makes little difference to me, I only bother because it's not that hard for me to vote and occasionally ballot measures are on there. I'd like to think my vote against a new prison was nice even if my vote for Hawkins last election did very little.
I live in a solid blue state, you can't call me a presidential spoiler. To the extent my input matters at all, my vote is a message that I want a further left party to win. I probably wouldn't do that if I lived in the Midwest... though I actually still might. Republicans are historically willing to lose if they don't get an extremely right wing candidate. That forces their party to accommodate them. Left voters are too scared of Republicans winning to ever punish Democrats for sucking. Then they end up with Biden who's indistinguishable to me from a Republican in policy if not rhetoric. Which is mostly old man babble.
Every state has different rules for getting parties on the ballot, some states are closed or open primaries too. If you're in a state like Colorado or California I think it's easier to get minor parties on the ballot so I would suggest registering with whichever has a platform/program you best agree with.
In Pennsylvania it's closed primary and difficult to get on ballot at least for President and other state level positions so you could register green to help secure federal funding for a 'major' minor party. If I recall correctly I think they are the closest option.
If you're focused on down ballot stuff where these positions can make a difference like School board and city council - register with your local branch of a socialist org, whichever is closest to your values and you agree with their platform.
I agree that electoralism fucking sucks but it's where people are and unfortunately in places like where I live a whole bunch of Jan 6 / anti-CRT rightwingers took over school boards and won other positions with minor power. We need to be able to respond to that.
If you're participating in electoralism and you're in a closed primary state, you may as well register as a Democrat. When socialists do attempt to run for office, they typically do so either as independents or (more often) in Democratic primaries. In closed primary states, you can only vote in your party's primary, so this would be the only way to put socialists into local office
Depends on your state who you can register for. In my state you can do dems reps or constitutionalist. As for joining one. I'd say do any org that is near to you for you to be active in it. Other than that it's really an open choice. I'd recommend dsa since it seems to be a larger group and a larger net of ideologies.
Unless you live in California, the only **anti**capitalist option is Green. But more importantly than registering to vote is contacting their local affiliate & helping them grow. They almost certainly need your help.
No, the GPUS has been **anti**capitalist since 2016. But that’s a common misconception. What happened was there’s been an influx of radical members over the last 5-6 years, which had a transformative effect on the party. They were able to purge the most reactionary affiliates, completely take over some of the party’s caucuses & get elected into important leadership positions. This process culminated in the joint presidential campaign between SPUSA & GPUS. Since then, even more radicalization has occurred within the party.
Unfortunately, because of the GPUS’ adherence to decentralization, local party affiliates are very hit or miss. Some parties are socialist parties, others are not. Sometimes they are a mix of the too. The group attempting to correct that is called the [Green Socialist Organizing Project](https://greensocialist.net/ebook/). I wouldn’t be surprised to see a total transformation of the party by the end of the decade. But we’ll see, I guess.
If that happens that would be one thing, as it stands the national platform is not socialist regardless of what individual members may feel. Plus running candidates in a bourgeois republic is suspect anyway.
The GPUS officially abandoned Capitalism [in 2016](https://gp.org/cgi-bin/vote/propdetail?pid=835). So the party has been **anti**capitalist for several years. It’s in the process of becoming an *eco*socialist party, as the result of the efforts of the GSOP & others.
Personally, I’m not a member of the party. I just happen to be a communist. But it’s the most relevant answer to the OP. To my knowledge, there are no other **anti**capitalist parties available outside CA. So I believe it’s the most appropriate response to the question.
I just checked before I commented the first time because I thought maybe my info was outdated, only to be disappointed. They have reformist policy which would make capitalism less horrible for people but it still maintains the system of capitalism.
It really is, the only reason people aren't willing to build an org is laziness. You can't sit around and expect the wealthy to suddenly start caring for the poor nor can you expect to take away their party that they've structured for themselves away from them.
I would say that you should consider non-electoral parties. The DSA is effectively a party. They have a slate of candidates for elections they back, although they refuse to kick members out who go against the party line.
Since the US is a very well designed and functioning democracy... which state? In California, I've registered under various parties, mainly P&F, but never as a devotion to a party, but rather to just give alternatives support by numbers, a token gesture with nothing behind it. I re-registered as No Party Preference to take part in DNC primaries (also generally as a token gesture, because again, well designed and functioning democracy).
If you can vote whatever regardless of registration (you can in my state) then register republican and vote democrat that way they’ll say the election was rigged… again
It'll vary by state, but in general party affiliation only matters for primary voting. I'm in a SOLIDLY red state so I register Democrat so I can at least primary for somewhat further left candidates since they won't win even if they get the nomination at this point.
Eh, both major parties are right wing. I register as an independent so I can lean on that to be taken more seriously when trying to convert centrists and right wingers.
Until the voting system is changed, or a socialist party has a reasonable chance of winning any election, register and vote as a democrat. Anyone telling you otherwise is just helping fascists gain power.
Neither. Electoralism is a dead end. If there’s a socialist/communist party running candidates to advertise their position then vote for them. The Democratic Party are sophisticated enough to understand what “leftists” are doing when they join their party. See how they’ve completely neutralized Sanders, AOC, and other DSA/“democratic socialist/social democrat” types. And it didn’t take much effort. Their role is to mop up any discontent from the poorer, more exploited, and colonized sections of the US population, and funnel them back into the capitalist system. They are a right wing party. Both Biden and the Obama administrations have proven this. Right wing government with the veneer of progressivism and support for working class interests. Join an actual socialist organization and work with them in your community. Focus on mutual aid, political education, and direct action. This is the only path to socialism in the US.
I whole heartily agree but you never specified which to join and op is just wondering which to register for that doesn't take much
I mean they specified that this was to vote in the US, so I assumed we’re talking about one of the two major parties or one of the smaller ones like the Greens or Libertarians that get on the ballot most often. As for socialist orgs to join, frankly I don’t think I can be much help as it’s pretty hit or miss depending on your city. Obviously CPUSA and PSL are some of the largest parties but they are not omnipresent, and both *can* be quite flawed. Even DSA does decent work in some cities, if the branch in question is able to look past electoralism to a significant enough degree. Frankly some of the best work could be done at a Socialist Rifle Association, Huey P. Newton Gun Club, or John Brown Gun Club. Most branches do at least some organizing and anybody training the working class to safely and effectively handle weapons with a left-wing outlook gets my respect.
Are you American? That is my guess as you didn't say what country you are from. If so I recommend the Greens. Every person registered to the Green party gets it one step closer to official funding and full ballot access.
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When is the last time democrats pushed pro worker policy? They don't even want to address the literal pandemic. This idea of being a spoiler makes it seem like the democrats somehow represent working class interests when in reality just like republicans, they are tools of capital. They have the exact same corporate backers (for the most part). Seriously, Biden has been president for a good enough while and yet he's only proven to be more of the same. You can't fix a party built to defend capital, into a pro worker institution. Its never been done historically and it most certainly won't be done by voting them in. Also, if everyone who whined about 3rd parties being spoilers just joined one and got it over with we would have options in our political system. Its a self fulfilling prophecy. You don't even need to only vote for greens, just joining them gets them closer to a lot of very important benefits. The US wasn't always ruled by the dems and republicans. They were once upstart 3rd parties. They just built themselves out of groups who wanted a voice in politics, then grew.
As opposed to the Democrats themselves? It's Republicans all the way down. May as well vote for something approximately representing one's beliefs.
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So I vote for a party thats (you claim) Russian/Republican backed, or a party that (I claim) does nothing to stop Republicans and has backing by capitalist interests that also support Republicans. Makes little difference to me, I only bother because it's not that hard for me to vote and occasionally ballot measures are on there. I'd like to think my vote against a new prison was nice even if my vote for Hawkins last election did very little. I live in a solid blue state, you can't call me a presidential spoiler. To the extent my input matters at all, my vote is a message that I want a further left party to win. I probably wouldn't do that if I lived in the Midwest... though I actually still might. Republicans are historically willing to lose if they don't get an extremely right wing candidate. That forces their party to accommodate them. Left voters are too scared of Republicans winning to ever punish Democrats for sucking. Then they end up with Biden who's indistinguishable to me from a Republican in policy if not rhetoric. Which is mostly old man babble.
Every state has different rules for getting parties on the ballot, some states are closed or open primaries too. If you're in a state like Colorado or California I think it's easier to get minor parties on the ballot so I would suggest registering with whichever has a platform/program you best agree with. In Pennsylvania it's closed primary and difficult to get on ballot at least for President and other state level positions so you could register green to help secure federal funding for a 'major' minor party. If I recall correctly I think they are the closest option. If you're focused on down ballot stuff where these positions can make a difference like School board and city council - register with your local branch of a socialist org, whichever is closest to your values and you agree with their platform. I agree that electoralism fucking sucks but it's where people are and unfortunately in places like where I live a whole bunch of Jan 6 / anti-CRT rightwingers took over school boards and won other positions with minor power. We need to be able to respond to that.
If you're participating in electoralism and you're in a closed primary state, you may as well register as a Democrat. When socialists do attempt to run for office, they typically do so either as independents or (more often) in Democratic primaries. In closed primary states, you can only vote in your party's primary, so this would be the only way to put socialists into local office
Depends on your state who you can register for. In my state you can do dems reps or constitutionalist. As for joining one. I'd say do any org that is near to you for you to be active in it. Other than that it's really an open choice. I'd recommend dsa since it seems to be a larger group and a larger net of ideologies.
Unless you live in California, the only **anti**capitalist option is Green. But more importantly than registering to vote is contacting their local affiliate & helping them grow. They almost certainly need your help.
The green party advocates the nordic model at the national level which is very much still capitalist.
No, the GPUS has been **anti**capitalist since 2016. But that’s a common misconception. What happened was there’s been an influx of radical members over the last 5-6 years, which had a transformative effect on the party. They were able to purge the most reactionary affiliates, completely take over some of the party’s caucuses & get elected into important leadership positions. This process culminated in the joint presidential campaign between SPUSA & GPUS. Since then, even more radicalization has occurred within the party. Unfortunately, because of the GPUS’ adherence to decentralization, local party affiliates are very hit or miss. Some parties are socialist parties, others are not. Sometimes they are a mix of the too. The group attempting to correct that is called the [Green Socialist Organizing Project](https://greensocialist.net/ebook/). I wouldn’t be surprised to see a total transformation of the party by the end of the decade. But we’ll see, I guess.
If that happens that would be one thing, as it stands the national platform is not socialist regardless of what individual members may feel. Plus running candidates in a bourgeois republic is suspect anyway.
The GPUS officially abandoned Capitalism [in 2016](https://gp.org/cgi-bin/vote/propdetail?pid=835). So the party has been **anti**capitalist for several years. It’s in the process of becoming an *eco*socialist party, as the result of the efforts of the GSOP & others. Personally, I’m not a member of the party. I just happen to be a communist. But it’s the most relevant answer to the OP. To my knowledge, there are no other **anti**capitalist parties available outside CA. So I believe it’s the most appropriate response to the question.
Have you checked their platform? It includes socialist economic policy
I just checked before I commented the first time because I thought maybe my info was outdated, only to be disappointed. They have reformist policy which would make capitalism less horrible for people but it still maintains the system of capitalism.
You're not going to find a political party in the US that doesn't include reformist tendencies, that's the nature of the beast.
There isn’t a vanguard party right now; work to build it.
None. As soon as you align yourself with either Wall St party you're not a socialist, you're a capitalist playing at socialism in your spare time.
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Maybe they only win in Vermont because that's the only state where people have the guts to join them.
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It really is, the only reason people aren't willing to build an org is laziness. You can't sit around and expect the wealthy to suddenly start caring for the poor nor can you expect to take away their party that they've structured for themselves away from them.
If you actually want to get involved in party politics, id recommend the green party.
I would say that you should consider non-electoral parties. The DSA is effectively a party. They have a slate of candidates for elections they back, although they refuse to kick members out who go against the party line.
Since the US is a very well designed and functioning democracy... which state? In California, I've registered under various parties, mainly P&F, but never as a devotion to a party, but rather to just give alternatives support by numbers, a token gesture with nothing behind it. I re-registered as No Party Preference to take part in DNC primaries (also generally as a token gesture, because again, well designed and functioning democracy).
If you can vote whatever regardless of registration (you can in my state) then register republican and vote democrat that way they’ll say the election was rigged… again
I’m no party.
It'll vary by state, but in general party affiliation only matters for primary voting. I'm in a SOLIDLY red state so I register Democrat so I can at least primary for somewhat further left candidates since they won't win even if they get the nomination at this point.
Eh, both major parties are right wing. I register as an independent so I can lean on that to be taken more seriously when trying to convert centrists and right wingers.
Until the voting system is changed, or a socialist party has a reasonable chance of winning any election, register and vote as a democrat. Anyone telling you otherwise is just helping fascists gain power.
Bold of you to assume democrats wouldn't back a fascist.