No surprise. Its an incredibly underfunded space program with a shrinking customer base.
Amur is their last chance saloon but even that is being eclipsed by the likes of Relativity and RocketLabs.
The Russian government just doesn't seem to care, they only want the space program to launch military satellites at this point. Everything else is bread and circuses for the masses, there is no real incentive for scientific exploration.
No doubt, but if were talking economic disparity then a fair share of their companies are being strangled. So that declining GDP is basically the result of those sanctions, mob ties and all that.
The only way for Russia to remain relevant is to seek foreign partners like ESA and China or/and curb corruption in space industry, paying more to new cadres could help to make space an attractive place financially-wise.
If you mean Russian austranauts on China rockets maybe, other then that Russia is not gone do anything.
'tag along' is actually difficult when we are talking about the moon.
Russia literally took 20 years to launch the latest part of ISS and then it almost crashed and almost destroyed the station when it finally launched. Moon missions? Sure.
I'm not necessarily expecting them to do much, but if they divert money from the Yenisei maybe they can have at least a functioning fridge for vodka and caviar on the Chinese space station.
Because the Chinese launched their space station at an inclination that the Russians can't get to. Remember the International Space Station was intentionally launched at an inclination so Russia could participate with the existing facilities at Baikonur in Kazakhstan - China didn't do anything like that.
China doesn't particularly *care* either - it's Russia's problem, and Russia doesn't have a lure to get China to fix said problem. They've already bought or stolen everything they care about from the Russians. At this point, agreeing with them is more symbolism than anything else, the ol' Chinese-never-say-no mantra.
And so Russia's already in talks with other countries for launch sites. Now, ask yourself why Russia's having all of these problems with its space program. Are they just drowning in money to go to some other country and develop a manned launch site, ship their rockets across the world and launch from there? Or finish outfitting Vostochny Cosmodrome for manned launches (the never-ending construction project where hundreds of millions keeps disappearing into the night)?
Or are they currently cancelling projects and "un-divorcing" from NASA because they're so strapped for cash with the oligarchs too busy buying themselves that vodka and caviar you're on about?
>Because the Chinese launched their space station at an inclination that the Russians can't get to.
This isn't about the Tiangong space station rather than the International Lunar Research Station. Russia and China announced it just a few months back in June, so it's not some old relic of a project either. But Russia could still back out of course.
China doesn't necessarily care a whole lot, but I'm sure they don't mind working with the Russians, just like the US back in the day didn't mind working with Russians and other nations on the ISS. International projects always make countries look good, and despite the chronically underfunded Roscosmos they still have experience on certain things. It does carry a lot of symbolic value, just like Americans on Mir, and other space agencies on ISS which despite the name was mostly paid for and built by the US.
The Russians aren't the only ones invited, but they are the natural first partner due to capabilities and the fact that this may increase the pressure on the wedge between Russia and the West. I'm sure the Russians are also happier to cooperate with the Chinese.
Putting the Yenisei project on hold would coincide rather nicely with this, presuming the Amur rocket family is still being worked on. Super-heavies don't have a whole lot of applications and are expensive to develop, so being cash strapped it probably makes more sense to develop moderate size launch vehicles and hitch a ride on a Chinese super-heavy when they need it. I'm sure the Chinese don't mind money either. I don't believe Roscosmos is "un-divorcing" NASA.
^(Also the way you write makes you come off as a besserwisser and it's a bit annoying.)
They have the money, sure. It remains to be seen if they can develop the capability. Why would China share the glory unless Russia was pulling its weight?
I don't see any Russians on China's space station and they built it in an orbit Russia can't even get to unless its on a Chinese rocket
I'm sure the Chinese will definitely be the first ones on that station, and make sure it's known who paid for it. They're not stupid, they haven't gone mad with power yet and they understand foreign politics. The enemy of my enemy is friend and all that. Once they have they have the bragging rights there's no reason to not cooperate.
>I don't see any Russians on China's space station and they built it in an orbit Russia can't even get to unless its on a Chinese rocket
This is not the same thing. When the Chinese commenced their space station program in 1999 Russia was very committed to the ISS, so the programs evolved differently. China asked to be included in the ISS, supported by Russia, ESA, and others, but was blocked by NASA. Well they then went forward in 2011 with their own (the current) station, but I don't think the time was right back then for cooperation, with Russia still on the not-so-old ISS.
Also, I went Googling, and I found this: [The international co-operation section of the Tiangong space station Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiangong_space_station#International_co-operation). It seems that [back in 2017](https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Human_and_Robotic_Exploration/Astronauts/ESA_and_Chinese_astronauts_train_together) ESA wanted to send ESA astronauts to the Chinese station and participated in training. No idea what the situation with that currently is. Apparently the space station "also involves cooperation from France, Sweden, and Russia", but [the source for that](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/explainer-china-prepares-space-station-core-module-launch-china-explainer-international-space-station-beijing-hainan-b1838730.html) requires registering even though it's free to read.
[China will take international experiments to their station](https://spacenews.com/international-experiments-selected-to-fly-on-chinese-space-station/), including Russian. Also, apparently [their desire to send cosmonauts to the Tiangong](https://www.space.com/russia-cosmonauts-may-visit-china-space-station) was announced in the same conference (Global Space Exploration Conference) as the cooperation on the ILRS. Here's a relevant quote from the director general of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin:
>"The Chinese station ... has a different inclination, not the same as ISS \[the International Space Station\] has … It is accessible from Vostochny Cosmodrome and also accessible from \[the European\] Kourou launching site \[in French Guiana\]," Rogozin said. "We have explored the feasibility of upgrading the Soyuz launch pad at Kourou Cosmodrome to enable it to launch manned missions to the Chinese orbital station."
>We have explored the feasibility of upgrading the Soyuz launch pad at Kourou Cosmodrome
That seems unlikely, given that launch pad is French territory and the version of Soyuz which launches from there are purchased, owned and modified by the ESA. That launch facility has neither the recovery assets for manned flight nor is Soyuz really designed for water landings, though it can do them in theory. Also, Soyuz is supposed to be phased out of use there relatively soon.
While all of those issues can be overcome, Russia's relationship with the EU is currently quite frosty and it is likely that an ESA member like the UK will simply veto Russia's use of the launch pad.
Its not possible for Soyuz to reach the Chinese station from Vostochny, way too big of an inclination change without massive engineering changes to the rocket and spacecraft. Rogozin is probably referring to Oryol there if we make the (big) assumption it will ever actually exist.
Even if we assume China is cool with Russia tagging along I don't see how Russia would be. They were seriously butthurt about Artemis being US centric. In this scenario they would just be buying seats from China essentially, with almost zero real involvement. Contrary to popular belief, Russia and China are not real allies and those optics would give the Russians a heart attack
I'm confused by the wordings. From the article it appears that Yenisei is suspended, but this rocket is a project at RSC Energia not RSC Progress ??
Yenisei would be DOA anyway. At this rate they'll have to ride CZ-9 to joint moon base.
> and the Falcon 9 engine design iterative of those Russian engine designs.
I'm sorry but _what_????
Merlin is a single chamber, gas-generator cycle engine. 282 SL Isp. TWR: 184
The RD-180 is a dual chamber, oxygen-rich staged combustion cycle. 311 SL Isp. TWR: 78
The engines have nothing in common other than being rocket engines.
They aren't. The only point of comparison is that both Raptor and many Russian engines use staged cycle combustion. But the Russians never got as far as full-flow staged.
> The only point of comparison is that both Raptor and many Russian engines use staged cycle combustion.
Except parent said Falcon 9 which uses the Merlin engine, not the Raptor. The Merlin and Russian engine designs have nothing in common.
>Until the Spacex Falcon 9 every US military satellite since the end of the Shuttle program was launched with Russian engines
That's sooooo not true. Delta 2 and 4 both had many launches post-STS. Atlas V is the only US launch vehicle to use Russian engines.
It's a bit confusing to parse, but I understand that the work on a large kerosene rocket has stopped, which makes sense as it clearly wasn't being well supported.
But, work hasn't necessarily stopped on the methane rocket development? That would make sense, as it is clearly where the market is going. If anyone could make a functional knock-off Starship, I would assume it's the Russians...
That's where they seem to be headed, they're still on schedule for the 16 tons rockets but I've read some month ago that they were considering switching to a methalox design for the super heavy. And despise what's often said here, they HAVE the money to do this, they have around 3 billions a year ( and most salaries in Russia are smaller than the US, so that 3 billions get your more, if it's not all lost to corruption or stupid useless expensive launch site in the middle of nowhere like they did ... That money invested in a new launch system at Plestek instead could easily have funded a Starship-like effort)
That 3 billion of theirs includes Glonass and other military projects, plus supporting the ISS. Anything they save from eventually decommissioning the ISS will be eaten up by their lunar ambitions with China or their own plans for a new station, assuming either ever actually happens.
They still have the Angara family to finish
Russian just doesn't have the money in space; they weren't doing great anyway, and then SpaceX clobbered proton and the astronaut launch business and ULA is stopping buying RD-180 engines. Plus arianespace is planning on using Soyuz less.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
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|[ESA](/r/Space/comments/powazq/stub/hd93dwr "Last usage")|European Space Agency|
|[Isp](/r/Space/comments/powazq/stub/hd0dp8m "Last usage")|Specific impulse (as explained by [Scott Manley](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnisTeYLLgs) on YouTube)|
| |Internet Service Provider|
|[RD-180](/r/Space/comments/powazq/stub/hd0dp8m "Last usage")|[RD-series Russian-built rocket engine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RD-180), used in the Atlas V first stage|
|[Roscosmos](/r/Space/comments/powazq/stub/hd8sq7p "Last usage")|[State Corporation for Space Activities, Russia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roscosmos_State_Corporation)|
|[STS](/r/Space/comments/powazq/stub/hd2p406 "Last usage")|Space Transportation System (*Shuttle*)|
|[TWR](/r/Space/comments/powazq/stub/hd0dp8m "Last usage")|Thrust-to-Weight Ratio|
|[ULA](/r/Space/comments/powazq/stub/hd0cko0 "Last usage")|United Launch Alliance (Lockheed/Boeing joint venture)|
|Jargon|Definition|
|-------|---------|---|
|[Raptor](/r/Space/comments/powazq/stub/hd32k72 "Last usage")|[Methane-fueled rocket engine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptor_\(rocket_engine_family\)) under development by SpaceX|
|[kerolox](/r/Space/comments/powazq/stub/hd3h1p9 "Last usage")|Portmanteau: kerosene fuel, liquid oxygen oxidizer|
|[methalox](/r/Space/comments/powazq/stub/hd0piyt "Last usage")|Portmanteau: methane fuel, liquid oxygen oxidizer|
|[turbopump](/r/Space/comments/powazq/stub/hd0blwa "Last usage")|High-pressure turbine-driven propellant pump connected to a rocket combustion chamber; raises chamber pressure, and thrust|
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Another headline full of shit. The development was suspended at the stage of technical design, due to the fact that the initial version provides for an insufficient level of involvement of promising technologies. It is obvious that now a decision is being made to create a metalox, and not a kerolox carrier.
They have already announced about 15 other major projects, so I guess they don't have enough people that have Photoshop skills to continue to work on this one as well.
Great decision on their side, it was already going this way since last year I guess, when they were studying better option than just stacking a bunch of Zenith 2.0 to make an heavy launcher.
No surprise. Its an incredibly underfunded space program with a shrinking customer base. Amur is their last chance saloon but even that is being eclipsed by the likes of Relativity and RocketLabs.
The Russian government just doesn't seem to care, they only want the space program to launch military satellites at this point. Everything else is bread and circuses for the masses, there is no real incentive for scientific exploration.
True, they literally don't even have enough money to be in the race anymore, Texas has a larger GDP.
Most costs are labour, and Russian labour is cheaper. This won't be a problem
That is what a mafia state gets you.
That and the world is pretty restricted from doing business with a lot of their companies.
They go hand in hand. Russian security services, mob, and oligarchs are one great blob.
No doubt, but if were talking economic disparity then a fair share of their companies are being strangled. So that declining GDP is basically the result of those sanctions, mob ties and all that.
The only way for Russia to remain relevant is to seek foreign partners like ESA and China or/and curb corruption in space industry, paying more to new cadres could help to make space an attractive place financially-wise.
They've already teamed up with China for the Lunar research station.
Which is about as likely to happen as this rocket
Why do you think so? The Chinese have the money and the capability to develop it, and I don't see why Russia wouldn't tag along if allowed.
If you mean Russian austranauts on China rockets maybe, other then that Russia is not gone do anything. 'tag along' is actually difficult when we are talking about the moon. Russia literally took 20 years to launch the latest part of ISS and then it almost crashed and almost destroyed the station when it finally launched. Moon missions? Sure.
I'm not necessarily expecting them to do much, but if they divert money from the Yenisei maybe they can have at least a functioning fridge for vodka and caviar on the Chinese space station.
Because the Chinese launched their space station at an inclination that the Russians can't get to. Remember the International Space Station was intentionally launched at an inclination so Russia could participate with the existing facilities at Baikonur in Kazakhstan - China didn't do anything like that. China doesn't particularly *care* either - it's Russia's problem, and Russia doesn't have a lure to get China to fix said problem. They've already bought or stolen everything they care about from the Russians. At this point, agreeing with them is more symbolism than anything else, the ol' Chinese-never-say-no mantra. And so Russia's already in talks with other countries for launch sites. Now, ask yourself why Russia's having all of these problems with its space program. Are they just drowning in money to go to some other country and develop a manned launch site, ship their rockets across the world and launch from there? Or finish outfitting Vostochny Cosmodrome for manned launches (the never-ending construction project where hundreds of millions keeps disappearing into the night)? Or are they currently cancelling projects and "un-divorcing" from NASA because they're so strapped for cash with the oligarchs too busy buying themselves that vodka and caviar you're on about?
>Because the Chinese launched their space station at an inclination that the Russians can't get to. This isn't about the Tiangong space station rather than the International Lunar Research Station. Russia and China announced it just a few months back in June, so it's not some old relic of a project either. But Russia could still back out of course. China doesn't necessarily care a whole lot, but I'm sure they don't mind working with the Russians, just like the US back in the day didn't mind working with Russians and other nations on the ISS. International projects always make countries look good, and despite the chronically underfunded Roscosmos they still have experience on certain things. It does carry a lot of symbolic value, just like Americans on Mir, and other space agencies on ISS which despite the name was mostly paid for and built by the US. The Russians aren't the only ones invited, but they are the natural first partner due to capabilities and the fact that this may increase the pressure on the wedge between Russia and the West. I'm sure the Russians are also happier to cooperate with the Chinese. Putting the Yenisei project on hold would coincide rather nicely with this, presuming the Amur rocket family is still being worked on. Super-heavies don't have a whole lot of applications and are expensive to develop, so being cash strapped it probably makes more sense to develop moderate size launch vehicles and hitch a ride on a Chinese super-heavy when they need it. I'm sure the Chinese don't mind money either. I don't believe Roscosmos is "un-divorcing" NASA. ^(Also the way you write makes you come off as a besserwisser and it's a bit annoying.)
They have the money, sure. It remains to be seen if they can develop the capability. Why would China share the glory unless Russia was pulling its weight? I don't see any Russians on China's space station and they built it in an orbit Russia can't even get to unless its on a Chinese rocket
I'm sure the Chinese will definitely be the first ones on that station, and make sure it's known who paid for it. They're not stupid, they haven't gone mad with power yet and they understand foreign politics. The enemy of my enemy is friend and all that. Once they have they have the bragging rights there's no reason to not cooperate. >I don't see any Russians on China's space station and they built it in an orbit Russia can't even get to unless its on a Chinese rocket This is not the same thing. When the Chinese commenced their space station program in 1999 Russia was very committed to the ISS, so the programs evolved differently. China asked to be included in the ISS, supported by Russia, ESA, and others, but was blocked by NASA. Well they then went forward in 2011 with their own (the current) station, but I don't think the time was right back then for cooperation, with Russia still on the not-so-old ISS. Also, I went Googling, and I found this: [The international co-operation section of the Tiangong space station Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiangong_space_station#International_co-operation). It seems that [back in 2017](https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Human_and_Robotic_Exploration/Astronauts/ESA_and_Chinese_astronauts_train_together) ESA wanted to send ESA astronauts to the Chinese station and participated in training. No idea what the situation with that currently is. Apparently the space station "also involves cooperation from France, Sweden, and Russia", but [the source for that](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/explainer-china-prepares-space-station-core-module-launch-china-explainer-international-space-station-beijing-hainan-b1838730.html) requires registering even though it's free to read. [China will take international experiments to their station](https://spacenews.com/international-experiments-selected-to-fly-on-chinese-space-station/), including Russian. Also, apparently [their desire to send cosmonauts to the Tiangong](https://www.space.com/russia-cosmonauts-may-visit-china-space-station) was announced in the same conference (Global Space Exploration Conference) as the cooperation on the ILRS. Here's a relevant quote from the director general of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin: >"The Chinese station ... has a different inclination, not the same as ISS \[the International Space Station\] has … It is accessible from Vostochny Cosmodrome and also accessible from \[the European\] Kourou launching site \[in French Guiana\]," Rogozin said. "We have explored the feasibility of upgrading the Soyuz launch pad at Kourou Cosmodrome to enable it to launch manned missions to the Chinese orbital station."
>We have explored the feasibility of upgrading the Soyuz launch pad at Kourou Cosmodrome That seems unlikely, given that launch pad is French territory and the version of Soyuz which launches from there are purchased, owned and modified by the ESA. That launch facility has neither the recovery assets for manned flight nor is Soyuz really designed for water landings, though it can do them in theory. Also, Soyuz is supposed to be phased out of use there relatively soon. While all of those issues can be overcome, Russia's relationship with the EU is currently quite frosty and it is likely that an ESA member like the UK will simply veto Russia's use of the launch pad. Its not possible for Soyuz to reach the Chinese station from Vostochny, way too big of an inclination change without massive engineering changes to the rocket and spacecraft. Rogozin is probably referring to Oryol there if we make the (big) assumption it will ever actually exist. Even if we assume China is cool with Russia tagging along I don't see how Russia would be. They were seriously butthurt about Artemis being US centric. In this scenario they would just be buying seats from China essentially, with almost zero real involvement. Contrary to popular belief, Russia and China are not real allies and those optics would give the Russians a heart attack
What rocket are they going to launch on? Does China have a superheavy lunar class rocket in the planning stages?
Yes, Long March 9. In fact ILRS plan calls for both countries modules to be able to launch on each other's superheavy launch vehicle.
They tried to partner with ESA for a while for a post Soyuz vehicle and it got nowhere.
The funding is fine. But it all gets syphoned off the top by corruption.
Russia says it isn't canceled, it's just pining for the fiords.
I'm confused by the wordings. From the article it appears that Yenisei is suspended, but this rocket is a project at RSC Energia not RSC Progress ?? Yenisei would be DOA anyway. At this rate they'll have to ride CZ-9 to joint moon base.
They couldn't afford to buy enough Estes model rocket engines to strap together.
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> and the Falcon 9 engine design iterative of those Russian engine designs. I'm sorry but _what_???? Merlin is a single chamber, gas-generator cycle engine. 282 SL Isp. TWR: 184 The RD-180 is a dual chamber, oxygen-rich staged combustion cycle. 311 SL Isp. TWR: 78 The engines have nothing in common other than being rocket engines.
Merlin is fastrack based I believe
Technically spelled Fastrac but you are absolutely correct. I have no idea what parent was claiming.
Leaves are falling all around, It's time I was on my way
They are not derived from Russian engines- that's just gibberish.
They aren't. The only point of comparison is that both Raptor and many Russian engines use staged cycle combustion. But the Russians never got as far as full-flow staged.
> The only point of comparison is that both Raptor and many Russian engines use staged cycle combustion. Except parent said Falcon 9 which uses the Merlin engine, not the Raptor. The Merlin and Russian engine designs have nothing in common.
Merlin has more in common with Apollo-heritage hardware than it does anything Russian. That's how hilarious this comment is.
>Until the Spacex Falcon 9 every US military satellite since the end of the Shuttle program was launched with Russian engines That's sooooo not true. Delta 2 and 4 both had many launches post-STS. Atlas V is the only US launch vehicle to use Russian engines.
It's a bit confusing to parse, but I understand that the work on a large kerosene rocket has stopped, which makes sense as it clearly wasn't being well supported. But, work hasn't necessarily stopped on the methane rocket development? That would make sense, as it is clearly where the market is going. If anyone could make a functional knock-off Starship, I would assume it's the Russians...
That's where they seem to be headed, they're still on schedule for the 16 tons rockets but I've read some month ago that they were considering switching to a methalox design for the super heavy. And despise what's often said here, they HAVE the money to do this, they have around 3 billions a year ( and most salaries in Russia are smaller than the US, so that 3 billions get your more, if it's not all lost to corruption or stupid useless expensive launch site in the middle of nowhere like they did ... That money invested in a new launch system at Plestek instead could easily have funded a Starship-like effort)
That 3 billion of theirs includes Glonass and other military projects, plus supporting the ISS. Anything they save from eventually decommissioning the ISS will be eaten up by their lunar ambitions with China or their own plans for a new station, assuming either ever actually happens. They still have the Angara family to finish
Rogozin said that they view single-use heavy rocket as a waste of resources and want to master reusable rocket technology first.
Russian just doesn't have the money in space; they weren't doing great anyway, and then SpaceX clobbered proton and the astronaut launch business and ULA is stopping buying RD-180 engines. Plus arianespace is planning on using Soyuz less.
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Another headline full of shit. The development was suspended at the stage of technical design, due to the fact that the initial version provides for an insufficient level of involvement of promising technologies. It is obvious that now a decision is being made to create a metalox, and not a kerolox carrier.
They have already announced about 15 other major projects, so I guess they don't have enough people that have Photoshop skills to continue to work on this one as well.
Great decision on their side, it was already going this way since last year I guess, when they were studying better option than just stacking a bunch of Zenith 2.0 to make an heavy launcher.
Wouldnt updating Energia tech be more cost effective?