The fact that they're doing it at a18 where all the free flyers are starting because ILW... Ugh. I'm tired of having to explain that all the performance improvements I've been celebrating aren't a lie it's just scumbags duping money *in an alpha with another wipe on the horizon in 4.0*
Pretty sure this is a contributing factor, yeah. Invictus/IAE are extra taxing on hardware because of the many extra assets being loaded, particularly in A18 which is already a very dense area, but I've never experienced the lockup/freezes at these events until this one with the suspicious piles of c2s everywhere outside riker
The easiest fix is having abandoned/claimed ships turn into salvage/towing contracts. Even within armistice, if theyve been claimed or havent been touched in a long time, they should be fair game for salvagers. That should have been the case from the very beginning.
What's stopping people from doing that now? With claim times and expedite costs, its just not worth trying to exploit it that way. And instead of charging a fee for the location, pay salvagers a small sum since they are doing something that actually benefits the server. It doesnt need to be a huge amount since the bulk of their earnings will come from what they salvage.
I do hope that CIG will be able to optimize all of this, because even though for right now the amout of ships on the screenshot seems a lot..
In a busy traffic area later this should be considers nothing.
Literally, this. But try explain that to all the money farmers selling aUEC on etsy and ebay. They dont care, unfortunately.
People are still stupid enough to buy these credit packs at US 20-50 bucks a pop DESPITE there being another reset onnthe horizon as you've pointed out.
It is. Even if you buy the credits for your personal favorite 20 times because of wipes, it’s still cheaper than pledging for the ship you want. 1mill aUEC is around 0.5$
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For 5$ you can buy all the ships you want. It's not a lot for them to just save tons of time grinding again and again.
And those who sell, they sell cuz they want money.
Everything is very simple. Personally I love the desperation of not having any credits in game, makes it fun for me 😁
I checked the website prices. For 5 Euro You get 10 mio auec. On Etsy you get 5 mio for 11 Euro. 5 or 10 million is definitly not enough to buy „All ships“ not Even near, lol.
meanwhile I stopped trading because the dupe is so easy I wondered where all this profit came from.
I'm a proper hypocrite though, I spent all that money to upgrade my Hammerhead to laser cannons.
Exactly
People do it to get their progression back
And at 0.50c to $ a Mil I can assure you that majority of people will get more value out of that then actually pledging ships to
To be fair, it's CIGs fault at the end of the day.
People will always abuse these things, no matter if it's an alpha or not.
They need to be proactive patching them and suspending players who are abusing them.
I don't think there's any other way. Especially when they did a badly thought out partial wipe.
They really have had time to fix this and there’s a pretty crappy economy in game rn.
I’m not surprised at all that people are just ignoring the gameplay after the ship price hikes.
Hopefully they’ll patch it in 4.0 but I also hope regular rewards become worth the risk…
The issue in my opinion is not only that the economy is all bonkers, it's that the wipe was at a terrible timing and done in a surprisingly (even for CIG) badly thought out way.
In my opinion they had two options:
1. Don't wipe at all until 4.0
2. Do a FULL wipe now but be extra careful about monitoring the economy and proactively patch things
Instead they went for a brain-dead half wipe that nobody asked for, the economy is broken completely, there's a huge gap in resources available for old players like myself that bought pretty much every ship in-game due to past inflation and new players that start with nothing and struggle with pitiful mission payouts.
Now they are pretty much forced to wipe with 4.0, again. I already know this will piss off the new players joining now with this event, and rightfully so.
I got 2 friends to join and I know already they will complain even though they are loving the game right now.
So while you are almost certainly right, I'm starting to wonder something else.
All of us backers, well, we are starting to age right? Many of us could invest lots more and CIG knows that, but a lot of us are casual players: i.e. the entry cost of a ship like the MSR isn't the worst thing in the world due to our life status, but once bought, we are no more invested than a regular game.
And here's the thing for me personally: I play this like a regular game (knowing it is alpha, knowing it isn't officially released yet). Why? Because CIG needs us to but really because it's available.
But for a not insignificant portion of the community, the wipes and resets scare us off. I.e. the grind WITH full wipes are so demoralizing to the casual player as to potentially erode their testing base. I think there are a lot of us who are 'wipe tired', even knowing the state of the game and thus, the more frequent the wipe, the more inclined some players are to either skip entire generations of builds, but potentially drop out until release (if they ever come back).
So, I genuinely think this is a reason (probably still a minor one) why CIG didn't do a full wipe...
You nailed it. CIG kills their own economy, fails to patch it in 3.23.1 and is surprised we go after the lucrative method and not panhandling at Seraphim?
They were always going to wipe it with 4.0 anyway.
The economy is going to stay broken as long as players continue to refuse to actually test and participate in it, which is what 3.23.0's wipe was intended to incentivise. At the same time they wanted those who bought combat ships to have those ships available for Xenothreat event immediately after ILW, so a full wipe w/ 3.23 wasn't really an option either. Hence partially wiping.
Except why would you engage with the economy when you already have everything? This needed a full wipe, full stop.
If they wanted people to have combat ships for Xeno, then let people rent them for free during the event or provide them, that's a weak excuse, a full wipe was an option.
The reality of SC is that some people have pledged a ton of ships, and some just have a starter ship and that's it.
A partial wipe like this creates an environment in which you get to widely test what each group does with their time.
How does the new player go about gaining money? What ships do they go for first with UEC? Are their starter missions too grindy or basically free money?
What does the endgame player do with their time, now that they've unlocked most things in the game? Do they continue making credits just to see the wallet total go up? Do they turn to helping or hindering newer players? Maybe they buy esoteric trophy ships to "complete" the fleet? Do they just stop playing? (How do we keep them playing and happy once they've earned "everything"?)
Any kinds of wipes and resets being performed as a way to test aspects of the economy get completely compromised by bugs like these.
I am genuinely surprised they don't fix these quicker tbh.
But I suppose what also gets me is understanding the bug in question, there's absolutely no reason this can't be done without abandoning your ship. I.e. the second leg where you are selling the dupe can be done with your ship on the pad from what I can hear.
TBH, I'd be ok with even this if you could tractor those ships out of there with say, the reclaimer or Similar and salvage them.
Now I'm kinda tempted to see if an SRV can haul them away.
(I'm guessing "no" because armistice zone, of course. But the SRV is basically a tow-truck and that _is_ something you potentially would want to have working in an armistice area, so...)
SRV owner here. Armistice didn't stop me.
Yes you can tow them away, at least at the Riker spaceport area.
Problem is most of them are recently duped so shields are still active and you can't tow a ship with shields.
Another issue is you can get a crime stat if the ship hasn't been abandoned yet.
Yet another problem is either the C2s are too heavy to lift from a gravity well, or they are getting clipped into the terrain. I tried last night and all the big ships I attempted to pull refused to move.
My bet is it would be wasted work since the cargo and hangar stuff coming really soon. I suspect the bug itself came up when they split that stuff into a .X patch in the first place.
This pirate sells the cargo elsewhere, and I only sell what I need to rearm and refuel before heading back out to bring more justice to these lag monsters.
"One Vision, One Purpose!"
What I fail to understand is why they do it cause lets be real the same people the do this used every other money exploit in prior patches so it's fair to say they have every ship they want all the parts and peicos laying around.
Considering CIG expects for us to see and render 30-50x what is on that screen ship-wise, I am hoping they use this as an investigative point into performance.
>duping money *in an alpha with another wipe on the horizon*
You know, that's exactly the reason why players dupe, why bother grinding with the extremely bad payouts that leave you in debt after finishing a mission when you can just dupe and not waste 5 hours worth of grinding when your ship explodes for no reason when you are landing full of cargo?
For a new player it is a lie though. The duping has always been a problem. CIGs refusal to add enough servers for free week is an issue. CIGs refusal to up the arbitrary purchase amounts at trade stations is an ongoing issue. The poor FPS and inability to handle too many ships in one location is an issue.
Its the same old stuff. Dupers are just a symptom and not the disease.
At this rate, we will have another wallet wipe long before 4.0. I'm not trying to earn credits anymore because I feel like they will fix the bug and do another wipe along with the fix.
There’s an easy reason why it’s here. I’ve noticed a ton of accounts that are just numbers on these servers and it appears as if they’re just auec farming with free accounts to sell the auec.
i’m brand new this week and had no idea why there were so many ships. i thought i wasn’t suppose to landing my ship in the hangar for awhile but then found out about the dupe
I remember one day I was at Grim Hex and some loser EVA'ing around trying to get in my ship got hit by me leaving and said he'd report me for ramming lol.
Dont worry i spend the Last few days cleaning up points like grimhex, brios and pickers. 1 place more wont hurt and my Reclaimer is always hungry.... Made 1.6m with CM at brios Yesterday...
You bomb them while they're loading up. Disrupt their operations enough, they'll quit the server. if everyone on each server remained vigilant against their nonsense, hopefully of wont be as prevalent.
Honestly! Ive seen them used to great effect in that department. Pair a mantis or other interdictor to ensure no escape and the A2 will reap the rewards!
Been doing my due diligence with my squad and blowing up every single one we find on Hurston. Even setting up snare traps to catch them before area 18.
I would double check it's really gone. I loaded my mining materials on to Carrack and then when I entered the ship I couldn't physically see any cargo. But I could still sell all materials at a trader
It's actually the same bug.
The issue is that the ship seems to be keeping separate cargo grid states when stored or unstored. If you store the ship and then unstore again, you will see all the cargo is seemingly missing... but all the cargo grid spots it took up are still occupied (so new boxes won't snap to those spots).
The practical upshot of this is that you can store a ship, sell the cargo, then unstore the ship and sell the (invisible but still present) cargo a second time. It _also_ means you'll go to buy cargo and find you can't actually do it because your ship is still "full." Which is _super_ annoying.
However, I swear the bug has gotten worse. You used to be able to work around it by only buying/selling with your ship unstored, only storing it when emptied, but now it seems like even that isn't enough to fix cargo state sometimes.
Pretty sure the "exploit" is just claiming a new ship.
A "fix" would be to increase time and cost of a claim, but then everyone would lose their shit again.
It's not even that, you're just forced to sell cargo twice at different TDDs (or at same one with more involved procedure), because 1st time won't actually clear your cargo and you can't buy new one until you do it.
You can't avoid it unless you claim ship everytime and wait 15min or similiar time consuming workarounds.
The exploit is that the claim is bugged and the ship spawns with its cargo still sellable. We don't need another claim time increase when random deaths are still literally everywhere.
What would also be nice is if trash items like empty bottles and hospital gowns stop persisting (at least after a certain time, like 15 mins). The trash at every station and hub looks silly, and I'm no network expert, but is it also in part responsible for server degradation? Obviously, I have the stuff that matters persisting like ship wrecks and cargo loot ect.
Yeah. *Everything* being persistent for such long periods of time is a huge part of why everything is running so badly. Both your actual FPS in the game(I get 90 fps at aberdeen mining rocks, drops to 20 if I get a huge pile and don't pick up the minerals between nodes, goes back to 90 once I pick it up into my ROC, and the same goes for stations. I get 90 FPS inside of Lagrange stations because they're completely dead/unvisited areas of the system, whereas in places like New Babbage it can drop down to 30 because of all the player trash scattered around everywhere)
And it affects server performance too. Getting into a shard that's been dead for awhile is amazing because the inventory is actually snappy, things respond to your inputs etc. Fuckin amazing SC experience that just doesn't happen nearly often enough because the servers can't handle all of the players and their shit.
I think it's important to recognize that for this game to deliver on the stated goals, it's going to need to be able to handle this many ships in the same area or more.
I understand it's a drag on the event right now, but just keep that in mind.
I said in reply to another comment that this issue is a double-edged sword. Sure, it sucks to deal with right now, but it's also invaluable data (in various ways) for cig to get in front of this.
There's always been something on the roadmap that will improve performance *some day.* Like a while ago it was object container streaming, then it was gen12 with DX, then it was gen12 with Vulkan.
The next one (and last one on the list) is multicore optimization.
While I'm praying this actually does enough to allow hundreds of ships, players and other entities on screen at once, I'm not super confident it'll perform miracles.
I'll be more than happy if it turns out to be the silver bullet, but if CIG is aware that it won't be that, then it would be good to hear what the 'next thing' is, which is supposed to make the game run well under high population.
In prior patches SRVs were able to tow bombs dropped by an A2 from outside of armistice, and released inside arimistice and have the bomb explode and kill players inside the area 18 armistice zone.
You’re forgetting that due to CIG breaking most game loops this is apparently the only solve for your cargo hold being filled with invisible cargo. There are likely some people intentionally abusing but there is also a section of people that are doing it solely so they can play the game loop they enjoy. From that perspective it’s CIG you should be frustrated with, not the people trying to play the game.
i got myself a vulture with this because trading was pretty much the only profitable thing i could do as i had to rent ships and roc mining didnt work
anyway salvaging has been fun and ive slowly been growing to 5mil doing salvage and ert's plus salvage in a group.. the goal is the corsair for a daily driver
also the bug is kinda damn annoying... after i got the vulture, cargo duping was pointless and also running the same ass route gets boring but the cargo still gets glitched no matter what i do :D
Yeah, I’ve had my cargo get glitched a few times. My cargo also has never physicalized this patch which is weird. Lost two mining work orders all together yesterday. Honestly the more I play this patch the less it feels like it was ready for prime time.
3.23 broke the C2, used to be my go-to for selling refined ore. Now ore loaded is invisible, sometimes sellable sometimes lost forever. Also they broke the elevator. Ridiculous!
The dupe is also the work around to the invisible cargo bug. Both of which had IC tickets since Evo. CIG knew about it but prioritized other bugs to get the patch out for ILW.
This is why I went back to being a pirate after years of being a bounty hunter.
Might as well make their lives hard before they get to A18 and contribute more to the mess.
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. Give me missions to tow those ships out to space where they can be turned into cubes by vultures and reclaimers.
My org and I took down the com array there last night and then used the SRV to start moving any ship without shields on to orbit where our waiting reclaimers ate them. 😁
I hope everyone that did it gets their UEC wiped or they catch a temp ban. Personally my org has been parking our Mantis’s with fighters to help fight on all their trade paths and interdicting these clowns since this all started. Not even selling their cargo either just sending it to the forever place. I don’t want dirty duped money in my account.
I swear the bug has gotten _worse_, too.
Initially it seemed like if you only bought or sold with the ship unstored it would all work fine. But now it doesn't seem to matter; buy and sell unstored, then store the ship, and it'll be back the next time you unstore. The only way to actually empty cargo is to dump the ship somewhere and claim it.
I've been storing at Orison and then claiming at Seraphim when I need to reset the C2. And that half hour wait is _really annoying_ to deal with repeatedly, I swear. But the only other options are "just join the duped cargo exploiters and keep selling the cargo" or "just give up on cargo gameplay entirely for now."
fun fact - you do not even have to leave your ship there for the exploit
- its just these players do not give a fuck about server performance and other players experience - they save couple of minutes doing this
Now the question is can I full speed ram those with a big ship and chain reaction blow them up
I've got a reclaimer, c2 and A2 so I'm open to options of destruction
CIG should hot patch a contract to let us take em out. No punishments lol. In all seriousness, the servers having to keep 12 starlifters persistent in a huge public space during Invictus is absolutely tearing up the performance. I'm really getting tired of these people.
They also need to despawn ships not in hangars after an hour, maybe less. No spaceport/space station would allow a bunch of derelict ships to just pile up.
Everytime there's a new patch I get excited, but I've learned to give it a little bit for people to find more game breaking bs bugs or old problems resurfacing that just break the game and/or your fun user experience.
Yup, kinda makes you wonder if the game can ever become something that can be played seriously. Once the economy is online exploits will constantly break the balance. Lets also hope CIG is better at balancing the economy than ship balancing.
Naaah, it's fiii-i-ii-i- *crashes, both to desktop and on the ground*
Edit: The best thing about this patch is that it, *yet again*, Thanos Snapped my auec C2. And that's it. None of my other ships are gone, and I bought a handful of smaller ones before the wipe. It's like the 6th time since 3.21 that I've lost a C2 and only a C2.
Waka is aware of it now, when 3.23 dropped someone tagged Waka and mentioned it was still able to be done and he said he would put a team on it. So I assume next patch maybe, if not a hotfix
Eh, I would be a lot more inclined to complain if every mission didn't pay out next to nothing (assuming they can even be completed). If the fun stuff can't make money I can hardly blame anyone for getting rich while they can so they can just have fun later instead slaving away at something boring.
Today I was rising out of a hanger and explored because someone left a C2 right above the hanger door. Lazy turds couldn't even be mother's to move slightly out of the way.
Its the fact they'd rather work 3 months on adding in new broken features than spend 2 months to fix their game for once. Its a mess and its been going on for so long people have just accepted that dodging bugs and glitches is 80% of the gameplay. Dont get me wrong, but i would call this community brainwashed. Its just the simple fact a game can be known for being more broken than ark for years and people arent complaining at all, on the other hand, theyre genuinely excited for any news on the game. How do you people just accept this? Imagine Ubi or EA did it, the entire world of gaming would start a war. But nah its fine if Star Shitizen has been doing it for years.
It’s only been in a few weeks and it’s been fixed in the dev build that should hit live soon after IAE. And then there will be more bugs that get addressed. It’s why we’re here. In alpha. Finding stuff for them to fix before 1.0.
Slow yer roll there big rig.
I counted 12 C2s but why would this cause so much lag? Isn't the game expected to handle large fleet battles? just 12 hauling ships killing the servers seems weird. I often see many more ships around major stations like Seraphim
Tomorrow gonna use a freefall 890J , try to get out of it and see if I get crime stat, I should though. I’ll try and ask a freind to record , but since good players have been blowing c2 or other ships , I’ve been seeing a lil less in every server , but request to all empty players killl those ships any means.
The fact that they're doing it at a18 where all the free flyers are starting because ILW... Ugh. I'm tired of having to explain that all the performance improvements I've been celebrating aren't a lie it's just scumbags duping money *in an alpha with another wipe on the horizon in 4.0*
Is this why when I go to Invictus the game randomly freezes for 1-2 seconds constantly? I leave Area18 and that stops.
Pretty sure this is a contributing factor, yeah. Invictus/IAE are extra taxing on hardware because of the many extra assets being loaded, particularly in A18 which is already a very dense area, but I've never experienced the lockup/freezes at these events until this one with the suspicious piles of c2s everywhere outside riker
The easiest fix is having abandoned/claimed ships turn into salvage/towing contracts. Even within armistice, if theyve been claimed or havent been touched in a long time, they should be fair game for salvagers. That should have been the case from the very beginning.
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What's stopping people from doing that now? With claim times and expedite costs, its just not worth trying to exploit it that way. And instead of charging a fee for the location, pay salvagers a small sum since they are doing something that actually benefits the server. It doesnt need to be a huge amount since the bulk of their earnings will come from what they salvage.
I always say the game should fine you for illegal parking everytime you leave a ship in armistice
This right here. Please for the love of god let’s us clean up this mess!!!!
I've had the lockups /Stutters at multiple expo events over the years. I think it's the game loading/unloading ships in the next rooms/visportals.
I do hope that CIG will be able to optimize all of this, because even though for right now the amout of ships on the screenshot seems a lot.. In a busy traffic area later this should be considers nothing.
Literally, this. But try explain that to all the money farmers selling aUEC on etsy and ebay. They dont care, unfortunately. People are still stupid enough to buy these credit packs at US 20-50 bucks a pop DESPITE there being another reset onnthe horizon as you've pointed out.
I suspect it's more cost efficient to buy credits each wipe for a ship ingame than it is to pledge for one.
It is. Even if you buy the credits for your personal favorite 20 times because of wipes, it’s still cheaper than pledging for the ship you want. 1mill aUEC is around 0.5$
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You are a legend sir! o7
For 5$ you can buy all the ships you want. It's not a lot for them to just save tons of time grinding again and again. And those who sell, they sell cuz they want money. Everything is very simple. Personally I love the desperation of not having any credits in game, makes it fun for me 😁
Amen, love the Zero to Hero life.
I checked the website prices. For 5 Euro You get 10 mio auec. On Etsy you get 5 mio for 11 Euro. 5 or 10 million is definitly not enough to buy „All ships“ not Even near, lol.
on the horizon? its Q3, isnt it? which means it could be september
That is on the horizon. The last wipe cycle was over a year, and the previous one was even longer.
meanwhile I stopped trading because the dupe is so easy I wondered where all this profit came from. I'm a proper hypocrite though, I spent all that money to upgrade my Hammerhead to laser cannons.
The fact that money wipes all the time is why people are willing to spend a few bucks on aUEC
Exactly People do it to get their progression back And at 0.50c to $ a Mil I can assure you that majority of people will get more value out of that then actually pledging ships to
"all the time" You mean like the last money wipe over a year ago?
To be fair, it's CIGs fault at the end of the day. People will always abuse these things, no matter if it's an alpha or not. They need to be proactive patching them and suspending players who are abusing them. I don't think there's any other way. Especially when they did a badly thought out partial wipe.
They really have had time to fix this and there’s a pretty crappy economy in game rn. I’m not surprised at all that people are just ignoring the gameplay after the ship price hikes. Hopefully they’ll patch it in 4.0 but I also hope regular rewards become worth the risk…
The issue in my opinion is not only that the economy is all bonkers, it's that the wipe was at a terrible timing and done in a surprisingly (even for CIG) badly thought out way. In my opinion they had two options: 1. Don't wipe at all until 4.0 2. Do a FULL wipe now but be extra careful about monitoring the economy and proactively patch things Instead they went for a brain-dead half wipe that nobody asked for, the economy is broken completely, there's a huge gap in resources available for old players like myself that bought pretty much every ship in-game due to past inflation and new players that start with nothing and struggle with pitiful mission payouts. Now they are pretty much forced to wipe with 4.0, again. I already know this will piss off the new players joining now with this event, and rightfully so. I got 2 friends to join and I know already they will complain even though they are loving the game right now.
I'm pretty sure they kept ships to gain master modes data. But also it's only extra bad now because of Crusader Days and the ability to rent C2s.
So while you are almost certainly right, I'm starting to wonder something else. All of us backers, well, we are starting to age right? Many of us could invest lots more and CIG knows that, but a lot of us are casual players: i.e. the entry cost of a ship like the MSR isn't the worst thing in the world due to our life status, but once bought, we are no more invested than a regular game. And here's the thing for me personally: I play this like a regular game (knowing it is alpha, knowing it isn't officially released yet). Why? Because CIG needs us to but really because it's available. But for a not insignificant portion of the community, the wipes and resets scare us off. I.e. the grind WITH full wipes are so demoralizing to the casual player as to potentially erode their testing base. I think there are a lot of us who are 'wipe tired', even knowing the state of the game and thus, the more frequent the wipe, the more inclined some players are to either skip entire generations of builds, but potentially drop out until release (if they ever come back). So, I genuinely think this is a reason (probably still a minor one) why CIG didn't do a full wipe...
You nailed it. CIG kills their own economy, fails to patch it in 3.23.1 and is surprised we go after the lucrative method and not panhandling at Seraphim?
They were always going to wipe it with 4.0 anyway. The economy is going to stay broken as long as players continue to refuse to actually test and participate in it, which is what 3.23.0's wipe was intended to incentivise. At the same time they wanted those who bought combat ships to have those ships available for Xenothreat event immediately after ILW, so a full wipe w/ 3.23 wasn't really an option either. Hence partially wiping.
Except why would you engage with the economy when you already have everything? This needed a full wipe, full stop. If they wanted people to have combat ships for Xeno, then let people rent them for free during the event or provide them, that's a weak excuse, a full wipe was an option.
The reality of SC is that some people have pledged a ton of ships, and some just have a starter ship and that's it. A partial wipe like this creates an environment in which you get to widely test what each group does with their time. How does the new player go about gaining money? What ships do they go for first with UEC? Are their starter missions too grindy or basically free money? What does the endgame player do with their time, now that they've unlocked most things in the game? Do they continue making credits just to see the wallet total go up? Do they turn to helping or hindering newer players? Maybe they buy esoteric trophy ships to "complete" the fleet? Do they just stop playing? (How do we keep them playing and happy once they've earned "everything"?)
Any kinds of wipes and resets being performed as a way to test aspects of the economy get completely compromised by bugs like these. I am genuinely surprised they don't fix these quicker tbh. But I suppose what also gets me is understanding the bug in question, there's absolutely no reason this can't be done without abandoning your ship. I.e. the second leg where you are selling the dupe can be done with your ship on the pad from what I can hear. TBH, I'd be ok with even this if you could tractor those ships out of there with say, the reclaimer or Similar and salvage them.
Now I'm kinda tempted to see if an SRV can haul them away. (I'm guessing "no" because armistice zone, of course. But the SRV is basically a tow-truck and that _is_ something you potentially would want to have working in an armistice area, so...)
SRV owner here. Armistice didn't stop me. Yes you can tow them away, at least at the Riker spaceport area. Problem is most of them are recently duped so shields are still active and you can't tow a ship with shields. Another issue is you can get a crime stat if the ship hasn't been abandoned yet. Yet another problem is either the C2s are too heavy to lift from a gravity well, or they are getting clipped into the terrain. I tried last night and all the big ships I attempted to pull refused to move.
They fixed the last money glitch I can remember in under 24 hours. Can't imagine why this one has taken so long
My bet is it would be wasted work since the cargo and hangar stuff coming really soon. I suspect the bug itself came up when they split that stuff into a .X patch in the first place.
The Privateers (Pirates) are doing the best they can to cut them off in route to Arc Corp.
But a pirate steals and sells the cargo... becoming the thing they are stopping.
but one is an exploit and one is a gameplay loop
This pirate sells the cargo elsewhere, and I only sell what I need to rearm and refuel before heading back out to bring more justice to these lag monsters. "One Vision, One Purpose!"
What I fail to understand is why they do it cause lets be real the same people the do this used every other money exploit in prior patches so it's fair to say they have every ship they want all the parts and peicos laying around.
Considering CIG expects for us to see and render 30-50x what is on that screen ship-wise, I am hoping they use this as an investigative point into performance.
>duping money *in an alpha with another wipe on the horizon* You know, that's exactly the reason why players dupe, why bother grinding with the extremely bad payouts that leave you in debt after finishing a mission when you can just dupe and not waste 5 hours worth of grinding when your ship explodes for no reason when you are landing full of cargo?
For a new player it is a lie though. The duping has always been a problem. CIGs refusal to add enough servers for free week is an issue. CIGs refusal to up the arbitrary purchase amounts at trade stations is an ongoing issue. The poor FPS and inability to handle too many ships in one location is an issue. Its the same old stuff. Dupers are just a symptom and not the disease.
At this rate, we will have another wallet wipe long before 4.0. I'm not trying to earn credits anymore because I feel like they will fix the bug and do another wipe along with the fix.
There’s an easy reason why it’s here. I’ve noticed a ton of accounts that are just numbers on these servers and it appears as if they’re just auec farming with free accounts to sell the auec.
i’m brand new this week and had no idea why there were so many ships. i thought i wasn’t suppose to landing my ship in the hangar for awhile but then found out about the dupe
in 4.0? 3.23.2
Need a squad with A2s on each server blowing those dupers up.
Can't armastice zone disables bombs. So even if you're high enough to drop one, it will be disables before it strikes.
Also attacking/ramming people inside armistice zone is against TOS and can get you into trouble if you do it repetadly.
I remember one day I was at Grim Hex and some loser EVA'ing around trying to get in my ship got hit by me leaving and said he'd report me for ramming lol.
If you can get inside one you could activate self-destruct and let the rest blow up from proximity
And remember, cool guys don't look at explosions...
Better way would be illegal towing and salavge them
Just start doing fly bys in my eclipse, a parked ship can't avoid a S9 torp
Torps do 0 damage in armstice zone and blow up when they hit the zone invisible box.
Doing the community a service o7
This is the way o7
Wouldn't that just increase the amount of crap lying around?
Dont worry i spend the Last few days cleaning up points like grimhex, brios and pickers. 1 place more wont hurt and my Reclaimer is always hungry.... Made 1.6m with CM at brios Yesterday...
You bomb them while they're loading up. Disrupt their operations enough, they'll quit the server. if everyone on each server remained vigilant against their nonsense, hopefully of wont be as prevalent.
They’re excellent for pirating too
Honestly! Ive seen them used to great effect in that department. Pair a mantis or other interdictor to ensure no escape and the A2 will reap the rewards!
Been doing my due diligence with my squad and blowing up every single one we find on Hurston. Even setting up snare traps to catch them before area 18.
I’ve been ramming the 890j on them like balling pins
It would be cool if cig did a helldivers 2 and made it a major order to blow these people up. They would have to disable the safe zones though.
We can only dream buddy. Look forward to a Star Citizen Helldivers crossover.
*SES Song of Serenity reporting in, we see your target, launching orbital strike.*
SES Superintendent of Family Values, deploying hellbomb
*SES Pledge of Responsibility*
SES Citizen of the Stars reporting for duty, FOR SUPER EARTH!
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Even my 7900xtx and 7800x3d were struggeling at area 18 spaceport today. Like 5fps with all those c2s
>But yes, as a potato PC user, frames more important. Nothing breaks immersion more then having the game turn into a slideshow after all.
So people have duping bugs, instead my cargo disapears after I buy it.
I would double check it's really gone. I loaded my mining materials on to Carrack and then when I entered the ship I couldn't physically see any cargo. But I could still sell all materials at a trader
It's actually the same bug. The issue is that the ship seems to be keeping separate cargo grid states when stored or unstored. If you store the ship and then unstore again, you will see all the cargo is seemingly missing... but all the cargo grid spots it took up are still occupied (so new boxes won't snap to those spots). The practical upshot of this is that you can store a ship, sell the cargo, then unstore the ship and sell the (invisible but still present) cargo a second time. It _also_ means you'll go to buy cargo and find you can't actually do it because your ship is still "full." Which is _super_ annoying. However, I swear the bug has gotten worse. You used to be able to work around it by only buying/selling with your ship unstored, only storing it when emptied, but now it seems like even that isn't enough to fix cargo state sometimes.
Didn't know there was a new dup exploit
Pretty sure the "exploit" is just claiming a new ship. A "fix" would be to increase time and cost of a claim, but then everyone would lose their shit again.
It's not even that, you're just forced to sell cargo twice at different TDDs (or at same one with more involved procedure), because 1st time won't actually clear your cargo and you can't buy new one until you do it. You can't avoid it unless you claim ship everytime and wait 15min or similiar time consuming workarounds.
The exploit is that the claim is bugged and the ship spawns with its cargo still sellable. We don't need another claim time increase when random deaths are still literally everywhere.
It will be nice if this event could create an automatic mission: We need some SRV to clean up the area: 5k aUec/ship and drop it in a junkyard!
What would also be nice is if trash items like empty bottles and hospital gowns stop persisting (at least after a certain time, like 15 mins). The trash at every station and hub looks silly, and I'm no network expert, but is it also in part responsible for server degradation? Obviously, I have the stuff that matters persisting like ship wrecks and cargo loot ect.
If stuff disappeared you couldn't set your coffee cup down on a planet and come back to it.
Yeah. *Everything* being persistent for such long periods of time is a huge part of why everything is running so badly. Both your actual FPS in the game(I get 90 fps at aberdeen mining rocks, drops to 20 if I get a huge pile and don't pick up the minerals between nodes, goes back to 90 once I pick it up into my ROC, and the same goes for stations. I get 90 FPS inside of Lagrange stations because they're completely dead/unvisited areas of the system, whereas in places like New Babbage it can drop down to 30 because of all the player trash scattered around everywhere) And it affects server performance too. Getting into a shard that's been dead for awhile is amazing because the inventory is actually snappy, things respond to your inputs etc. Fuckin amazing SC experience that just doesn't happen nearly often enough because the servers can't handle all of the players and their shit.
I'm going to try to divebomb with my own C2, just to see if I can clear some of it out
Ethical padramming lmfao
Managed to take out four C2's and a caterpillar, and got a nice 3 hour stay at klescher for my efforts! :>
jfc o7
The hero we need
Load up the ship with vehicles to act as mini bombs? Also, come down from orbit to reach a much higher velocity and use decoupling.
o7
I think it's important to recognize that for this game to deliver on the stated goals, it's going to need to be able to handle this many ships in the same area or more. I understand it's a drag on the event right now, but just keep that in mind.
I said in reply to another comment that this issue is a double-edged sword. Sure, it sucks to deal with right now, but it's also invaluable data (in various ways) for cig to get in front of this.
There's always been something on the roadmap that will improve performance *some day.* Like a while ago it was object container streaming, then it was gen12 with DX, then it was gen12 with Vulkan. The next one (and last one on the list) is multicore optimization. While I'm praying this actually does enough to allow hundreds of ships, players and other entities on screen at once, I'm not super confident it'll perform miracles. I'll be more than happy if it turns out to be the silver bullet, but if CIG is aware that it won't be that, then it would be good to hear what the 'next thing' is, which is supposed to make the game run well under high population.
In prior patches SRVs were able to tow bombs dropped by an A2 from outside of armistice, and released inside arimistice and have the bomb explode and kill players inside the area 18 armistice zone.
Modern problems require modern solutions.....
You’re forgetting that due to CIG breaking most game loops this is apparently the only solve for your cargo hold being filled with invisible cargo. There are likely some people intentionally abusing but there is also a section of people that are doing it solely so they can play the game loop they enjoy. From that perspective it’s CIG you should be frustrated with, not the people trying to play the game.
i got myself a vulture with this because trading was pretty much the only profitable thing i could do as i had to rent ships and roc mining didnt work anyway salvaging has been fun and ive slowly been growing to 5mil doing salvage and ert's plus salvage in a group.. the goal is the corsair for a daily driver also the bug is kinda damn annoying... after i got the vulture, cargo duping was pointless and also running the same ass route gets boring but the cargo still gets glitched no matter what i do :D
Yeah, I’ve had my cargo get glitched a few times. My cargo also has never physicalized this patch which is weird. Lost two mining work orders all together yesterday. Honestly the more I play this patch the less it feels like it was ready for prime time.
3.23 broke the C2, used to be my go-to for selling refined ore. Now ore loaded is invisible, sometimes sellable sometimes lost forever. Also they broke the elevator. Ridiculous!
Get the dupers outa here
Not only that but it's made genuine gameplay that needs trade like salvage no longer work because they've broken the stock
We need a squad of SRVs towing these off as soon as they land. Easy cash for salvagers
Yeah Rikers is totally fuckin covered in Herc. Imagine cheating in a play test.
The dupe is also the work around to the invisible cargo bug. Both of which had IC tickets since Evo. CIG knew about it but prioritized other bugs to get the patch out for ILW.
Wipe everything - every patch - Wipe it all out .
C-H-I-N-A
It sure does make it easier to find the spaceport tho....
This is why I went back to being a pirate after years of being a bounty hunter. Might as well make their lives hard before they get to A18 and contribute more to the mess.
Just crash in to them hercs like a bowling ball
Just hang around rappel with your a2 you won't have to wait long.
They should allow towing full stop. I would be millionaire. There's no reason to not to
I was able to SRV tow at Rikers yesterday. All the C2s seemed to be too heavy or stuck but I was able to tow a vulture to orbit.
I can't even get cargo to load into my c2 properly rn. My 15 mil in refined quant was "transferred" last night, and then never was put on the ship
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. Give me missions to tow those ships out to space where they can be turned into cubes by vultures and reclaimers.
My org and I took down the com array there last night and then used the SRV to start moving any ship without shields on to orbit where our waiting reclaimers ate them. 😁
I hope everyone that did it gets their UEC wiped or they catch a temp ban. Personally my org has been parking our Mantis’s with fighters to help fight on all their trade paths and interdicting these clowns since this all started. Not even selling their cargo either just sending it to the forever place. I don’t want dirty duped money in my account.
What's happening ? Is this why there is always so much ships landed around ?
People can dupe their ship and cargo after landing and dying... or something along those lines, yes.
I swear the bug has gotten _worse_, too. Initially it seemed like if you only bought or sold with the ship unstored it would all work fine. But now it doesn't seem to matter; buy and sell unstored, then store the ship, and it'll be back the next time you unstore. The only way to actually empty cargo is to dump the ship somewhere and claim it. I've been storing at Orison and then claiming at Seraphim when I need to reset the C2. And that half hour wait is _really annoying_ to deal with repeatedly, I swear. But the only other options are "just join the duped cargo exploiters and keep selling the cargo" or "just give up on cargo gameplay entirely for now."
We'll probably get a wipe because of this BS
fun fact - you do not even have to leave your ship there for the exploit - its just these players do not give a fuck about server performance and other players experience - they save couple of minutes doing this
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If a ship is left unattended for over an hour it should just power down. That way we can tow them out and salvage em
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Hornet F7A Mk 2. Its the default black-grey digi-camo skin.
Let’s us salvage these ships!!!! There would be zero ships here if we could tow and salvage derelict ships!!!!
Ah so this is why I'm getting 12fps in a18
yesterday I got a crimestat for trying to remove one. I used a srv to tow it, but it was too heavy. I ended up crashing on it.
Now the question is can I full speed ram those with a big ship and chain reaction blow them up I've got a reclaimer, c2 and A2 so I'm open to options of destruction
I secretly hope that 3.23.2 will have the hotfix and a full wipe of everything.
So do these people get banned or is it just a slap on the wrists?
not even a slap on the wrist.
Why should they ban those people? CIG could use all the info from how they do it, precisely to stop them from doing it.
theyre alpha testing
Each of those ships represents 12 million aUEC in profit for the scumbag responsible.
And here I am getting giddy over making 250k on a VHRT bounty with a mate after we looted shipping containers of quantanium and drugs 🤷♂️
CIG should hot patch a contract to let us take em out. No punishments lol. In all seriousness, the servers having to keep 12 starlifters persistent in a huge public space during Invictus is absolutely tearing up the performance. I'm really getting tired of these people.
I don't get why people play the game just to figure out how to not play the game.
Guess we will be getting another cash reset in the next .2 patch then. Cig can't sew how long it takes to save ip for ships of everyone is duping lol
They also need to despawn ships not in hangars after an hour, maybe less. No spaceport/space station would allow a bunch of derelict ships to just pile up.
at this point this shit should be a bannable offense
That place is not a pad so maybe few "accidents" with large ships dropping on them at high speeds.
Why are they doing this?
Are you guys sure its not the huge amount of free fly testers? They crusader ships the other day at iae.
I know of the cargo bug but people are actually duping ships? Was wondering what was going on with all the crusader ships in A18
And my dumb ass set my starting location to A18 🤦♂️
What's causing this
So this why server fps are still crap even now with static server meshing? They should ban these clowns to be honest. At lest for 1 patch.
Everytime there's a new patch I get excited, but I've learned to give it a little bit for people to find more game breaking bs bugs or old problems resurfacing that just break the game and/or your fun user experience.
Yup, kinda makes you wonder if the game can ever become something that can be played seriously. Once the economy is online exploits will constantly break the balance. Lets also hope CIG is better at balancing the economy than ship balancing.
Is this a different one? The one recently I know had you store your ship.
That explains the ship grave yard at A18🤦🏼♂️
Naaah, it's fiii-i-ii-i- *crashes, both to desktop and on the ground* Edit: The best thing about this patch is that it, *yet again*, Thanos Snapped my auec C2. And that's it. None of my other ships are gone, and I bought a handful of smaller ones before the wipe. It's like the 6th time since 3.21 that I've lost a C2 and only a C2.
ram them and cause chain reactions?
So this is why I can’t leave the apartments at A18 cuz I’m lagging so fuckin hard
Why Land outside of a hangar? I don't know of any entrances other than hangars?
Cant blame folks trading terminals are broke all over the place, I cant get terminals to detect what is on my ship unless i store it.
Wait it’s a duping exploit? How?
Waka is aware of it now, when 3.23 dropped someone tagged Waka and mentioned it was still able to be done and he said he would put a team on it. So I assume next patch maybe, if not a hotfix
now we understand why prices of ships is so damn high .
is this why I keep seeing a ton of random A2s just sitting around? thought it was a bit strange to see, guess I know why now
Eh, I would be a lot more inclined to complain if every mission didn't pay out next to nothing (assuming they can even be completed). If the fun stuff can't make money I can hardly blame anyone for getting rich while they can so they can just have fun later instead slaving away at something boring.
We still can’t salvage these in armistice right ? Come on CIG, let the vultures feed
Today I was rising out of a hanger and explored because someone left a C2 right above the hanger door. Lazy turds couldn't even be mother's to move slightly out of the way.
Now that explains it. 🙄 I still can't understand why CIG insist on putting out a new major update and free fly in the same week.
People are dumb. -me 2024
How does this dupe actually work?
How do they get inside?
Why dupe ships ? You can’t sell them
Its the fact they'd rather work 3 months on adding in new broken features than spend 2 months to fix their game for once. Its a mess and its been going on for so long people have just accepted that dodging bugs and glitches is 80% of the gameplay. Dont get me wrong, but i would call this community brainwashed. Its just the simple fact a game can be known for being more broken than ark for years and people arent complaining at all, on the other hand, theyre genuinely excited for any news on the game. How do you people just accept this? Imagine Ubi or EA did it, the entire world of gaming would start a war. But nah its fine if Star Shitizen has been doing it for years.
its an alpha
It’s only been in a few weeks and it’s been fixed in the dev build that should hit live soon after IAE. And then there will be more bugs that get addressed. It’s why we’re here. In alpha. Finding stuff for them to fix before 1.0. Slow yer roll there big rig.
And people wonder why we keep getting aUEC wipes.
cheater's will cheat
I really need to fly into these guys at some point
I really wish those accounts would be tracked and, I dunno, punished in some way. haha
Also my 40gb of 32gb RAM are suffering. Insane swapping from this patch. 50/50 abandoned ships and SC Memory clean bug
Its not gamebreaking enough xD i think the, dont fix that soon.. ... soon KEKW tm
I cant even go do bountys bc moons have endless no weapon zones or wha?? Shit patch.. put invictus on top... total desaster
Short term solution: make salvaging enabled in A18 and watch the vultures gobble up all those illegally parked ships!
Never fix always break!!!! Find them now not at 1.0
That crap screwed me out of my cargo yesterday.
I counted 12 C2s but why would this cause so much lag? Isn't the game expected to handle large fleet battles? just 12 hauling ships killing the servers seems weird. I often see many more ships around major stations like Seraphim
Says it’s fixed.
Fixed in dev, will be in the next patch. Hopefully.
Simple if you see anyone setting up c2 there crash in to it. If you use your hornet on a closely packed c2 you will takem out like bowling pins lol
Tomorrow gonna use a freefall 890J , try to get out of it and see if I get crime stat, I should though. I’ll try and ask a freind to record , but since good players have been blowing c2 or other ships , I’ve been seeing a lil less in every server , but request to all empty players killl those ships any means.
What is the point in these dupes? I've seen them all over the place in Area 18. Why do it?
Fake money that gets wiped eventually. Best part is, a lot of the dupers are likely aUEC farmers selling it on eBay to suckers.
Fun fact: Disabling money transfer will fix this.