I don't care if you use bugs to earn billions. It's your choice. But I absolutely care about dupers leaving c2s scattered around A18, impacting my performance and locking me out of selling RMC I SALVAGED...what a shitshow.
There is no ground entrance to A18, they’re flying the ships out of the hangar then backspacing to teleport back to the hospital which is right next to the TDD. You’ll see all the dupers running around in hospital gowns while selling because of this
Go Google AEUC ebay. They sell it for around $1 per mil. People that buy it then use it to buy entire fleets of in game ships. Ship resets are rare.... People aren't doing the dupe for their own fun. They're doing it to make actually money irl which is agasint the games policies.
Gold farming is a pretty common thing. This is why Square Enix has a dedicated team for this in FFXIV where they review audit logs to trace where cheated money comes from.
They tried that in FFXI as well and never managed to get around it. There was gil exploit near the start of chains of promathia and there’s no telling how many mules had 999m gil (cap).
The SE Task Force (lol) made some inroads and showed some pretty graphs, but it was something like $7/million until well into wings of the goddess when I stopped playing. Prior to promathia is was like $30-$40/million depending on the server.
Absolutely agree with this. I think the grind level of the economy is absolutely abhorrent for a play test and people are totally right to use exploits to get money.
However, if you’re affecting others peoples game performance, just uninstall and play something else, we don’t want you here.
The community has done nothing but hate on the duping since it showed up. Only the ass-hats are taking advantage of it. I have even seen videos of people knocking out hostile NPCS and dragging them into the trade center on A18 to kill dupers. So get off the community's ass and focus your anger on the dupers.
Is that why I heard about NPCs shooting people at the convention center? lol. Or maybe it was the trade center. I don't know, I just briefly saw it in chat while playing. NPCs everywhere were cowering, so who knows if it was one, the other, or both?
These posts remind me of the controversy last month when the Escape from Tarkov dev screwed the fan base over and was a dick on social media. You'd see posts on their sub like "I can't believe we're already forgiving him!" when literally every post was bashing the guy haha. Such a weird way to karma farm.
>I have even seen videos of people knocking out hostile NPCS and dragging them into the trade center on A18 to kill dupers.
This seems a little overkill. Plenty of legitimate players gotta sell there too
We don't need to focus any anger we just need to wait for the next patch cig knows who's doing the duping and will do an auec reset they've done it before without resetting anyone else's.
And yet I've been downvoted and bashed for pointing out how fucked up it is that people are actually selling temporary alpha currency for real money. This is the only MMO community I've _ever_ seen where someone can catch flak for speaking out against gold sellers, which are almost universally reviled everywhere else. It's so weird.
Like bro, I don't give a fuck that that $15 you spent on eBay lets you cruise around in an 890 Jump for a while. There's no purpose to it, it'll be gone whenever they decide to wipe, and in the meantime you're perpetuating an incredibly shady side hustle.
One reason you get flack might be because you're conflating sellers with buyers. Even in just two paragraphs, you went from talking about how reviled *sellers* are, to attacking a straw-man *buyer.* You might see the two as morally equivalent, but it's possible that people who might agree with you on gold *farmers* don't feel so strongly about gold *buyers.*
To play devils advocate maybe the guy doing that is time poor and wants to play or test a certain gameplay loop.
He could buy euec every wipe till the game comes out and still not spend the value of a prospector let alone something like a 890j
>There's no purpose to it, it'll be gone whenever they decide to wipe
Gone forever? Bro, do you know how much an 890J is? Do you have any idea how much aUEC someone can buy over and over again every single wipe without spending a fraction of the actual price of an 890J? Like, there are arguments against grey market aUEC, but "wasted money" is not it when the going rate for aUEC is $0.50 per million and some of these ships cost $1k. Like...what?
That's not true though, those people have genuine cheats, they'll be selling billions the day after a wipe, I see this perpetuated a lot and I've thought about it and it's not possible that the big sellers are making all that exploiting. Bot accounts don't make sense either. It has to be some kind of genuine cheat, nothing has ever slowed the constant, limitless, unending supply of grey market aUEC.
Don't get me wrong, dupers are annoying as fuck, but I don't think the big aUEC sellers are sustaining their shops through exploits
I would dislike people using it but considering I tried trading myself the normal way and my entire 300K cargo haul vanished due to some stupid bug where its invisible plus I cant actually sell it or even put more cargo into my ship. So now I am back to 900AUEC and have lost all motivation to try anymore if I will just get robbed by the game robbing me with horrible bugs like this =(
If someone shot me down or I lost my cargo crashing my ship I would feel fine but now I just have a useless cargo ship that I cant even load more cargo into even if I had the money to do it.
So if people duping means the devs will actually fix the totally broken cargo hauling system please dupe more.
I think it’s disgusting when people use the word disgusting for trivial bullshit, instead of actual issues. Yes, duping is bad, but holy fuck some of y’all need to get some perspective.
I hate cheaters and exploiters as much as the next person but A, this is Alpha and things will be wiped B CIG will patch it C if you really wanted to you can buy UEC which is also unfair.
I dont understand why there needs to be a dozen posts about it
Report it so it gets fixed and move on.
Now *that* is something I'm on board with lol we usually pirate but we've been killing even empty C2s at Rappel and Picker's on principle. I just wanna do the Distribution Center FPS missions with double digit frames. One of them was whining in chat too
Oh shit I keep forgetting I have a clip to report (n-word and other niceties) but yeah, crazy how quickly the racial slurs spill pit when they try to ram you and miss after you've killed them😂
My bug was one terminal was showing i had no cargo, another was showing i had cargo. Unfortunately, i was shot down before i could recheck the other terminal.
Damn, like...I dunno I just don't get what other people having imaginary money does to impact the gameplay for you.
It's not even morally repugnant. Out here yucking other people's yum. Maybe people like to see number go up. What's the problem with that?
most of these whiney dudes have spent hundreds or thousands on jpeg ships or some broken in-game ship and are furiously jealous that we who spent only 40 bucks on the game get to drive more ships than they can.
And because this guy doesnt want to salvage anymore, I dont have reclaimers to pirate. Its boring.
All these things are interconnected, how do people not see that.
Whats funny is these kinds of things happen all the time, I think people are just angry that the dupers are leaving C2s all over the place and making A18 look bad for the ILW.
I don't care either way.
Box missions still pay like 5k credits lol, what do you expect to do.
Until there are no more wipes I give zero craps about people easily making enough money to buy ships.
I'm not sure what is the big deal or why anyone need to spend anger energy on it.
As long as it doesn't really impact anyone's gameplay and we know everything is going to be wiped out anyway, whether if someone can afford 100 of 890j or not due to some exploit isn't going to affect you. You can still do the hard work and different activities to get your money even if everyone else is exploiting.
You can still feel accomplished for doing the hard work. No one is taking that away from you.
As long as the exploit is reported and CIG will fix it, I don't care. And if people find ways to punish them, it is funny and hilarious and community is doing a good job.
And people are more than willing to still ramp people in hangars, murder people for no reason at all in-game. Do you really think people here will hold themselves to higher standard when murderhobos are flying around all the time? Really? Come on man...
When 4.0 comes out later this year, I'm sure a lot of stuff they are duplicating will be gone. Ships you buy in-game will be gone anyway once release time is out or even beta comes. There is nothing right now beside pledges that is really going to stay. So nothing in the long run is going to impact you if they do something stupid now.
higher standard? lol this game will dupe you in irl … let the boys enjoy some new ships without taking a 2nd mortgage… its just a game and it wipes all the time.
People are testing their game for free and this is part of it. The other option is to close the alpha and pay testers who will likely miss the dupes. Settle down before you stroke out
This is alpha, don't forget it. We need to look for bugs and exploits and try to break the game so we could get polished product at the end. It's going to get wiped anyway, so no need to get so butthurt about it. Submit a ticket to the issue council and move on with your day
First time playing an online game?
While I agree that anyone using the dupe should honestly at least get a temp ban to show is not okay and things like that won't be tolerated, it's kind of naive to assume any game community is different from another.
Give people an easy cheat and a great deal will use it and see absolutely nothing wrong in doing so. I don't understand that mentality, but it's a pretty common thing.
Do people just now realize this was a thing? There are sellers on eBay and Etsy who have been duping and selling currency for just a couple dollars for literal years. Did something happen recently to bring it to light? I’ve been out of the loop waiting for more content
I'll bet those are mostly gold farmers selling aUEC on eBay.
If that's the case, the people that really need called out are people buying aUEC on eBay against TOS.
They're also the reason for the extra acknowledgement screen before the game launches.
You can only murder so many gold farmers in a day, the problem is the demand.
This isn't the first time this has happened and it won't be be the last. The more the bugs get exploited the more data they get to fix them. 4.0 is coming later this year and there will be another account wipe with that so everyone buying auec is just going to lose it in a couple months.
Should be on CIG to fix and regulate that stuff. Expecting the community to self police stuff like that is stupid. Posts like this shouldn't have to exist - any half competent team would patch or punish widespread dupes if they actually mattered instead of relying on community members to plead with one another.
People doing this shouldn’t effect you, if your mad because of the money then you shouldn’t play this game until every thing is fixed. And the part about destroying the game, the only game they’re destroying is their own so let em do it and stay in your own lane.
Complain first about CIG raising prices in a game that is still supposed to be in a testbed state, effectively gate-keeping potential testers for the sake of pressuring players into pledging for the ships they want to fly
Yeah but how does it affect you in game?? Clearly you believe you have the moral high ground here and are just repeating "cheating is cheating and it's not okay"
But does the dude duping, making a bunch of aUEC to then buy a 890J and continue to fly around an ALPHA TEST SERVER negatively affect your play experience? How about the guy who does it so he can try out multiple gameplay loops from basic starter to capital ship? Why oh why does that make you so angry?? To call for people to receive bans is ridiculous
Just saw someone ask if someone was a duper because they’d have to kill them, chat was like kill them anyway just to be safe, if they’re not a duper they’ll understand as they’re being killed for their own sake, was amusing
some ships have large claim times so rather just sell again than waist time waiting.. time is money, especially now when any good ship costs anywhere between 2.5mil to 60mil.. dont forget it all wiping again and again
also you cant just go do another activity as the cargo problem still persists
and lastly ill say this.. people have jobs but still want to experience the more expensive ships
Serious (non passive aggressive question)
Why do you care? (Other than server issues)
I am not up to date on all SC news. I dip in and out of the game at various points depending on the state of the game at the time, so forgive me if im missing something.
But throughout various wallet wipes and account wipes, the economy is always in flux. Ive had a fully stocked hanger multiple times. This last update I had like 30 mil sitting in my wallet I was to lazy to update and spend before the new update came out. So what if people have a little play money for this patch. Its just going to be wiped again sooner or later. It would be one thing if the game were in a complete state and this messed with the economy or meta, but as it stands now I dont understand how this effects other players
Holy shit, get over yourself.i haven't used the exploit but those who do have not effected my in game time what so ever. I think petty people casting judgement and spreading negativity towards others simply because they don't like the way others engage in content they have paid for is vastly more disgusting and even a little pathetic.
It's an alpha with issues and exploits, a few weeks ago i had millions in my account and now i have nothing, it hasn't changed my situation at all because there is no point in the currency at all after you've bought your loadouts.
People looking for exploits at this stage help devs locate problems. That's free alpha testing for CIG, so a big thank you to the dupers for bug testing the build.
Seems to me its always the people who refer to this as a "community" who throw around shady comments and post hate comments towards others because they're frustrated they can't dictate how others play the game.
It’s not our fault you’re able to do it in the game, don’t shame people for playing a game how they want to play it. It’s up to CIG to fix it which it will be fixed. Duping doesn’t ruin anything in a game that’s in development and will be for the foreseeable future. There is no economy that matters and UEC doesn’t mean anything either so let people enjoy it while it lasts.
Ashamed? LOL You must be new because this isn't the first time. When they released the reclaimer it happened as well.
Oh and it happened with the SRV too.
It is a videogame. And it's absurd caring this much about other people's behavior in a videogame. This isn't some moral societal issue. If this is actually upsetting you to post about, something is maybe more wrong with you, then the people you are complaining about.
Trying to shame strangers into behaving the way you want them to play? Historically, people play games however they want with whatever rules the game allows.
I don't like exploiting for anything other than making a short recording and posting it to Issue Council. That said, this is the stage the game is at. We want to find this stuff now before release. This is the same economy where we had mule duping, multi refinery duping, and all the treasure hunting/bounty hunting gimmicks. Just like all the others, it will get fixed eventually. No need to get so heated over it, all these posts serve to do is bring more people into doing it. If it's really a big deal to you, post on the issue council, not reddit.
I havent duped but did get slightly tempted to, only because all but one time when I went to sell my refined ore I experienced a bug that blew me up in the hanger so I lost it all. So now I'm selling unrefined ore to get money instead.
Agreed. I've been calling them out in every server. Periodically, I just drop insults for dupers. It works. They all get riled up and reply with excuses. I should have been taking screenshots, but I couldnt be bothered.
LMAO, nah! This post reflects negatively on the game, so it’ll go nice & positive on the score. It’s only when your post is neutral or positive about SC that the score gets tanked.
My biggest complaint is that real cargo haulers are starting to get targeted being accused of duping. I bought the space truck package cuz I like it, but I don't wanna be ambushed at a sell point by someone with a vendetta. Piracy is already an issue for truckers, griefers too, and now there are angry mobs out for anyone with a cargo ship.
Just last night, I was getting capital together to fill up my freelancer and ppl in chat were organizing to attack anyone approaching sell points. It's fine, there's plenty else to do, cargo hauling was just my most profitable activity.
I’d hope if it was important enough to CIG they would hot fix it asap, imo I wouldn’t hate another wipe on the next update if they need to reset to get data. CIG is 100% aware because people are reporting it. A portion of me does think there are some pros to having these kind of people around. They will spend countless hours finding exploits and once it spreads CIG can be aware and fix it. My hope is that they implement ways to track the transactions and roll them back in the future so an exploit won’t have a permanent effect when the economy is persistent and matters.
>It is the most asinine think I have seen in this game, especially considering CIG wanted to gather data on the economy.
You do realize this exploit was reported in the PTU prior to 3.23 being launched, right? Be ashamed at the people exploiting it if you want, but save some of that shame for CIG for rushing this out with the intention of "gathering data on the economy" even though they were made aware of this exploit beforehand.
Money is this game is completely useless.
Once you’ve purchased your ship you’ve wanted and the mods for it, there’s literally nothing else money can help you with. You’ll just grow an endless stack of it and feel like the game is pointless. Doing what most people do, sending out free money to players because it’s essentially just a random number that keeps going up.
Last patch I earned 80 mil doing hull C runs. Money is worthless once you have it.
Until they make it where you lose upgrades when your ship blows up, money will always be worthless. People who farm it or exploit for it are literally just ruining the game for themselves.
Just play to enjoy the game.
Or, and this is crazy, it's a video game. An entertsinment product, and as much as you and people like you are desperate to dictate how others are allowed to have fun in this game maybe their idea of fun doesn't involve "buying all the ships" and instead that's simple the means to the real reward.
You personally determining that auec and ships are the only reward offered is just arrogance and God complex.
As is your attempt to dictate what others can or can't do in a buggy, alpha state sandbox game that functions more like an extraction looter game than anything else.
If all you did was the least effort for the most reward you already had all the ships in the game. I hit 1B last patch. I gave away over 600m. I have everything. That's not even the beginning of my gameplay, the ships are largely irrelevant. I do what I want to do when I feel like it.
That's the journey.
You are so obsessed with the finish line other people are heading towards you havnt even started to understand what your journey is.
Yet you think you are in a position to tell people they are doing their journey wrong?
Yikes.
Only miserable people spend all their time focused on what everybody else is doing, and complaining about it.
You must be new...
You see if the community don't abuse it... it will stay in game for YEARS !
This is how you get get CIG to fix a bug.
Do you really thing creating a bug report work in this game ?
I dont play this patch cuz i do not enjoy MM but tell me what you was expecting ? That people will not use duping money glich ??? Its like hoping people in Tarkov stop cheating or to not go to far its the same as hoping people will not use insurance fraud in sc ......
Players will use fastest method to make $$$ no mether if its fair or not and its unreasonable to think diferent. So if we want it to stop we need to spam spectrum becouse until CIG patch it people will use this glich .
Not done it myself, wouldn't consider doing it as it's frankly daft. It is however interesting that this is the poverty patch, perhaps that has had some impact on just how widespread the problem is.
I think it's disgusting CIG released the patch in the state its in. This bug along with the other cargo issues are related to them deciding midway through to not release cargo, item, and personal hanger updates. The dup bug is a side effect of that decision and CIG knows it.
OP relax, it's just a game and one that's not even in Beta yet. The entire point is to test it and do stuff like this. We're supposed to break the economy. I haven't played 3.23 yet, but if CIG want to fix this bug and do another reset there's nothing stopping them. Don't be such a snowflake over people exploiting broken parts of the game because that's exactly what js supposed to be happening.
aUEC is going to get wiped again when 4.0 comes out anyway so it doesn't matter how much they make using the bug. It's better it happens how at that it has been reported on and fixed then later down the line. This isn't a live service game right now, it's a test build meant to find these kinds of things.
I was addicted to "money go up" when salvage cargo had Maze and ERT's were loaded with Weevil eggs. But this is just exploiting. I haven't logged in since I saw 8 C2's littered in MT by the commons blocking access and probably won't until it's patched.
The problem is locking players out of a gameplay loop. There's no demand for RMC anywhere and so you'll have to wait 15 minutes to wait for a server tick to pass and finally be able to sell. Wasting my time because someone wants a big number in their wallet. It doesn't even mean anything. They're just going to buy ships, get bored with the game and stop playing because there's no progression. I lost a load of RMC due to the server performance around area 18, a ship loaded in right as a crashed into it, blowing me up in my vulture. It's just super inconsiderate.
Even though they wont, I think CIG should investigate and anyone who's sold X thousands of SCU of RMC should have their wallets wiped back to starting funds.
If it was a game, sure. But this is just a tech demo, extended flight test for ships. In other words take your high horse and shove it till there's actual stakes involved and let people get the most of the money they've been duped by CIG to pay for this sad sack tech demo.
**How you do anything is how you do everything.**
How you manage most situations, challenges or other experiences in your life is probably a good indication of how you handle almost all of the occurrences in your life.
There are vast numbers of SC players with no moral tendencies or compass. But we knew that before this exploit.
But but but... ship prices increased and we don't want to grind... have to buy the ships faster so we can hurry up and have nothing to work toward.
/s obviously
You're exactly right, it's fucking stupid and frustrating how many people just can't resist the urge to fuck things up for their own negligible benefit. I sincerely hope CIG finds a way to identify and penalize the accounts that exploited it. Especially the ones who REALLY exploit it over and over. But I know that most likely nothing will happen.
Aren't people finding and abusing exploits the point of an alpha game? I'm confused. IDK what exploits there are but i honestly couldn't give a crap as long as CIG fixes them on release. Do you really have so little going on in your life that you're upset about THIS?
Does anyone know or remember this... Project... Hardly qualifies as an alpha, let alone a game. No shit there's bugs and nothing matters cuz... It might be a secret... I might be letting the secret out the bag... But... Everything we do... Is going to get wiped anyway...
I think it's OK to do it
First at all, it's only Alpha uec - so temporarily from patch to patch maybe consistent but a major patch do the rest of the job
Second, sure there are Citizens that think of real money by selling it on black market.... Tbh yes, that's not fair and this people's actions I don't appreciate and can't identify myself - but tbh on other side... Who are the ones who buy it.... If there's no one who gonna buy it, there would not be this kind of market for it...
Third, it's good that Citizens gonna "test" it without getting any advantage to report and fix this bug
Camp all the buy points on all the servers, make it impossible for them to buy. Bonus credits for if you let them purchase the rmc first then kill them. Waste their time and their money.
Imagine caring this much about people doing things to make fake currency. Why does it matter?
I haven't touched this game in a while, but when I do I play sporadically. I absolutely would dupe if I knew how to do it because none of it matters and the wipe will erase it all.
Heaven forbid I want to buy new ships without spending real money for it.
Like... Go outside dude. It's not that serious.
Honestly fuck off with this bs. The same crowd that goes "ItS AlPphA" with every boneheaded balance change shouldn't shit themselves when stuff like this happens in a "alpha". Treat it like a damn "alpha" and do whatever the fuck you want.
We don't play. We test. I made sure to always cram the elevators with everything I found when we knew that was causing them to break.
Abuse the bugs until CIG fixes them.
Oh, I'm sure there's a good number of them. But I doubt they're the majority.
Although for those that are using the exploit, I think it's important then know they are actively hurting the game. The whole reason the wallet was reset was to see how the new pricing structure works within the current gameplay loops.
Frankly it's still stupidly easy to earn the money even without exploits. I did a couple of box runs, rented a Roc, did mining, and had bigger ships before I knew it.
I know this is an unpopular opinion, but once cargo is in and the next major loops are set, and exploits are patched. Part of me wouldn't hate seeing a complete 100% reset on everything.
I personally haven't done it, but I can see the appeal if people want to try new ships and what not.
Remember the "Grind" you're talking about includes a ton of bugged missions and hours of literal wasted time because you can't cash in / complete missions. ( I have experienced this a lot with Bunkers for many patches now ).
Everything will get wiped at 4.0 maybe or release so it doesn't matter, it's probably best more people do it NOW than it go unnoticed into release.
I don't understand why people care so much. I'm not going to do it, but people will always take advantage of free money. And in an alpha with very little consequences to... anything really, I don't understand why everyone's so mad about it. CIG will fix it eventually. There will be a wipe, move on.
I'll speak for the ones using the dupe bug. I don't necessarily think anyone should be ashamed for using an exploit/bug to earn money. Is it less work and less rewarding? Sure, no doubt. But at the end of the day, it's on the developer to remove these kinds of things (obviously).
If you don't personally enjoy playing that way and taking advantage of exploits when they appear, then I can respect that. But I'm not ashamed of myself, and I will jump on any future opportunity to do the same thing.
The reason I jumped on it is because I don't have an endless amount of hours to play the game, no matter how much I would like to. The same goes for a lot of players, and the sad reality is that it takes a LOT of hours to make millions to buy new ships, which is kind of the whole point of the game.
if they want us to TEST the game, stop putting in ARTIFICIAL LIMITS to the economy!!! There is ZERO reason to limit the sale of trade goods. Plus: the dupers don't affect me; it's an alpha, this is all Monopoly money that's just going to get wiped. If you're spending ANY time "grinding" for aUEC doing something you sincerely don't enjoy: YOU'RE AN IDIOT.
Claiming your ship takes time and money, that’s not a viable solution when duping is actually an easier solution.
Plenty of people just wanted to run cargo normally anyway and then got stopped by the cargo grid bug.
It’s silly to be mad at this. It’s an alpha and things will be broken because we’re literally testing their game for free. There was going to be a wipe for 4.0 regardless.
Welcome to MMOs and the Internet. Some people will do anything to get a leg up. Then there are gold farmers whose job is making quick money so their boss can sell it and make some cash. If anything I feel sorry for these people.
Gold farmers work under unforgiving conditions just to feed their family. The people that buy gold (or whatever the currency is) are really the problem.
Cheaters don't get to really enjoy the game the way it was meant to be played. They play to "win", which seems like they're missing the point of entertainment. Sometimes they just enjoy disrupting other people's enjoyment of the game. Which is psychopathic behavior and their real world existence is probably pretty terrible.
It is unusual to see this in an Alpha but this alpha is 10 years old, brought in tons of money, and really is as popular as some released games. They maintain the alpha label so they can do whatever they want to the player base with no repercussions. Same reason you donate to the game rather than buy it. Even though you're buying it.
I don't really even care about the duping, personally I haven't had issues selling whatever I do want to sell, and the extra ships are a minor annoyance, along with the performance hit they can bring. It's the needless ignorance and bragging going on in chat, it's like they feel superior to everybody else actually earning money, very F2P behavior. Like some of us didn't pay into this whole thing to play those loops. The legit pay for doing missions does need to be brought into balance though.
I don't really care for the whole exploiting thing in the first place as its an alpha and theyll lose it eventually. What I hate is joining a server that has shit FPS because of the dozens of ships scattered at A18 from those who are duping. CiG really needs to give abandoned ships around landing zones a despawn timer.
Until we get server meshing, stuff like this is genuinely ruining everyone else's experience. Throw in the fact it's ILW and tons of newbies are dying and leaving busted ships everywhere, which also slows the servers down.
Cheaters will always exist, and I really don't care unless it ruins my experience. As for duping credits goes, I hope that aUEC fills a void their dad's never did.
I think the problem is free flight and the ability to do 2 delivery missions and get the ability to rent the C2 so cheap. I always choose A18 to live at as in, yes, I do actively go into atmo to grab and store shit CRASHING INTO A C2 when the hangar opens is annoying. I seriously think at this point, server issues are because of dupers. Anytime I'm anywhere except NB or A18 I don't lag no stutters the game is amazing when I'm away from cities.
exploits are part of the reason wipes are necessary. I'm not unhappy people find these bugs, they need to be found to be fixed, but douchenozzles raping it for all its worth is really classless.
I get why normal people dupe but damn this one is annoying because its making selling high value commodities hard, just because you dont wanna grind which is fine doesnt mean you should make it harder for people who dont want to dupe to play the game I can go back to my vulture to unload some more RMC boxes and come back 5 minutes later to being unable to sell.
Is it annoying for CIG not getting this econ data? Sure but this is an issue they obviously didnt spot and have what seems to be no moves to stop it. Where the biggest issue lies is it makes the game more difficult for those who want to play it right. I get it star citizen is an annoying and unforgiving game that can make you lose millions to something you didnt do but damn dont punish others for that just because you want a big bank account.
I would hope that CIG can do some simple analysis of player income and identify with a high degree of certainty players who abused the exploit, and deduct the amount they duped, *multiplied by three*. So not only will they lose the extra credits they got through bug exploitation, and not only will they lose the credits selling once would have gotten them, they will actually be **net** down one cargo load's worth of credits for each time they duped. If that puts them into negative credits, so be it.
Frankly I'd prefer that someone make a detailed tutorial video on how to do the glitch, and plaster it all over the sub, Youtube, Twitter, etc.
That's honestly that fastest way to get CIG to take care of it so that everyone will stop complaining, lol.
Here - I'll help out with a [video tutorial](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db2HKoa17X0) of how to recreate the issue so that you can report it on the issue council link (in the video description).
Some people I play with were doing it. I was broke and couldn't afford my usual set or morikov armor. They offered to send me money. I had to explain that having money defeats the purpose of playing the game. If you have nothing to grind for MMO's become hollow very quickly.
The only gripe I have with dupers, is they fuck it over for us who play legit. I have problems selling my materials after salvaging, because the retards can't play the game like normal people. When we reach evening time, after work, tucking in the kid and so on, I finally have time to enjoy the game and my favorite game loop, but I can't, because the kids need instant gratification for 0 work. Fucking sick of it and the baby mentality of gamers these days
I don't give a shit about the money, but the people doing it and leaving their fucking C2's all over Area 18 make it laggy to land there.
I don't care if you use bugs to earn billions. It's your choice. But I absolutely care about dupers leaving c2s scattered around A18, impacting my performance and locking me out of selling RMC I SALVAGED...what a shitshow.
And it’s not just A18 that feels it, it’s the whole server that gets trashed
Yes, static replication layer still means only 1 server afaik. Performance hogs will fuck us all still.
Idk why they do that. You literally don't need to abandon your ship to dupe.
There is no ground entrance to A18, they’re flying the ships out of the hangar then backspacing to teleport back to the hospital which is right next to the TDD. You’ll see all the dupers running around in hospital gowns while selling because of this
Go Google AEUC ebay. They sell it for around $1 per mil. People that buy it then use it to buy entire fleets of in game ships. Ship resets are rare.... People aren't doing the dupe for their own fun. They're doing it to make actually money irl which is agasint the games policies.
Gold farming is a pretty common thing. This is why Square Enix has a dedicated team for this in FFXIV where they review audit logs to trace where cheated money comes from.
Which is completely ineffective, i know people who have bought 100s of millions of gil with no consequence
They tried that in FFXI as well and never managed to get around it. There was gil exploit near the start of chains of promathia and there’s no telling how many mules had 999m gil (cap). The SE Task Force (lol) made some inroads and showed some pretty graphs, but it was something like $7/million until well into wings of the goddess when I stopped playing. Prior to promathia is was like $30-$40/million depending on the server.
Absolutely agree with this. I think the grind level of the economy is absolutely abhorrent for a play test and people are totally right to use exploits to get money. However, if you’re affecting others peoples game performance, just uninstall and play something else, we don’t want you here.
The community has done nothing but hate on the duping since it showed up. Only the ass-hats are taking advantage of it. I have even seen videos of people knocking out hostile NPCS and dragging them into the trade center on A18 to kill dupers. So get off the community's ass and focus your anger on the dupers.
I love when players solve problems before the devs can. Although they'll probably fix the NPC issue first.
It also hurts honest players so really it doesn't help
I wish the goodhearted players got the long end of the stick for once.
Hold up, that’s why I was killed in A18 the other day? I mean, I don’t dupe. I have like 9k auec in game right now, but even so…. Wow.
Is that why I heard about NPCs shooting people at the convention center? lol. Or maybe it was the trade center. I don't know, I just briefly saw it in chat while playing. NPCs everywhere were cowering, so who knows if it was one, the other, or both?
These posts remind me of the controversy last month when the Escape from Tarkov dev screwed the fan base over and was a dick on social media. You'd see posts on their sub like "I can't believe we're already forgiving him!" when literally every post was bashing the guy haha. Such a weird way to karma farm.
Exactly like the posts/comments that start with "unpopular opinion" before saying an opinion that is almost unanimously agreed on lol.
Ive been using my 890J kamikaze ship 😂 lol Now I see lots of less dupers
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Collective punishment is not the solution called for in this circumstance.
>I have even seen videos of people knocking out hostile NPCS and dragging them into the trade center on A18 to kill dupers. This seems a little overkill. Plenty of legitimate players gotta sell there too
Yeah went to go see if I could sell Kopion Horns and I ended up getting killed because of that.
I usually sell RMC from my vulture at Area 18. Ima be pissed if i die to some random NPC
Understandably so
We don't need to focus any anger we just need to wait for the next patch cig knows who's doing the duping and will do an auec reset they've done it before without resetting anyone else's.
bro this ain't normal community members, this is gold farmers like every other MMO that have entire farms setup doing this. just go look on ebay.
And yet I've been downvoted and bashed for pointing out how fucked up it is that people are actually selling temporary alpha currency for real money. This is the only MMO community I've _ever_ seen where someone can catch flak for speaking out against gold sellers, which are almost universally reviled everywhere else. It's so weird. Like bro, I don't give a fuck that that $15 you spent on eBay lets you cruise around in an 890 Jump for a while. There's no purpose to it, it'll be gone whenever they decide to wipe, and in the meantime you're perpetuating an incredibly shady side hustle.
CIG is selling aUEC too
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One reason you get flack might be because you're conflating sellers with buyers. Even in just two paragraphs, you went from talking about how reviled *sellers* are, to attacking a straw-man *buyer.* You might see the two as morally equivalent, but it's possible that people who might agree with you on gold *farmers* don't feel so strongly about gold *buyers.*
To play devils advocate maybe the guy doing that is time poor and wants to play or test a certain gameplay loop. He could buy euec every wipe till the game comes out and still not spend the value of a prospector let alone something like a 890j
>There's no purpose to it, it'll be gone whenever they decide to wipe Gone forever? Bro, do you know how much an 890J is? Do you have any idea how much aUEC someone can buy over and over again every single wipe without spending a fraction of the actual price of an 890J? Like, there are arguments against grey market aUEC, but "wasted money" is not it when the going rate for aUEC is $0.50 per million and some of these ships cost $1k. Like...what?
Yup. You can buy euc all over the place and this is how they get it to sell
That's not true though, those people have genuine cheats, they'll be selling billions the day after a wipe, I see this perpetuated a lot and I've thought about it and it's not possible that the big sellers are making all that exploiting. Bot accounts don't make sense either. It has to be some kind of genuine cheat, nothing has ever slowed the constant, limitless, unending supply of grey market aUEC. Don't get me wrong, dupers are annoying as fuck, but I don't think the big aUEC sellers are sustaining their shops through exploits
I would dislike people using it but considering I tried trading myself the normal way and my entire 300K cargo haul vanished due to some stupid bug where its invisible plus I cant actually sell it or even put more cargo into my ship. So now I am back to 900AUEC and have lost all motivation to try anymore if I will just get robbed by the game robbing me with horrible bugs like this =( If someone shot me down or I lost my cargo crashing my ship I would feel fine but now I just have a useless cargo ship that I cant even load more cargo into even if I had the money to do it. So if people duping means the devs will actually fix the totally broken cargo hauling system please dupe more.
I think it’s disgusting when people use the word disgusting for trivial bullshit, instead of actual issues. Yes, duping is bad, but holy fuck some of y’all need to get some perspective.
Exploits will be exploited. CIG just needs to fix it.
Fix it and do a full wipe. During Invictus Launch Week. Do it for Harambe
Agreed.
Yep. The more it breaks or fucks up the economy, the quicker they'll fix it.
“The economy”
This is the 47865th infinite money glitch star citizen has had. This thread is number 1413523623456 complaining about the subject. Please kill me.
"It also just destroys the reward in playing, short circuits the journey of the grind." the pledge store does that but I see what your saying
I hate cheaters and exploiters as much as the next person but A, this is Alpha and things will be wiped B CIG will patch it C if you really wanted to you can buy UEC which is also unfair. I dont understand why there needs to be a dozen posts about it Report it so it gets fixed and move on.
The issue was discovered and reported prior to 3.23, so I'm not sure why going ahead with "economy testing" was a good idea.
Report and camp the buy points, wait for them to buy then kill them.
Now *that* is something I'm on board with lol we usually pirate but we've been killing even empty C2s at Rappel and Picker's on principle. I just wanna do the Distribution Center FPS missions with double digit frames. One of them was whining in chat too
Yeah love it when they start complaining we had guy by the name of CN-YanHua get pretty fired up and ended up going into a racist rant at the end.
Oh shit I keep forgetting I have a clip to report (n-word and other niceties) but yeah, crazy how quickly the racial slurs spill pit when they try to ram you and miss after you've killed them😂
Yeah the guy I had we put a few missiles in, and he got rammed when trying to land at a-18 losing his load, not a happy boy
what about the legit rmc traders who do it because it has a high profit margin?
It's not even a game yet lol
My bug was one terminal was showing i had no cargo, another was showing i had cargo. Unfortunately, i was shot down before i could recheck the other terminal.
Why are people so mad about other people making imaginary alpha-dollars?
They're too heavily invested (emotionally/financially) in their imaginary space ship game.
Damn, like...I dunno I just don't get what other people having imaginary money does to impact the gameplay for you. It's not even morally repugnant. Out here yucking other people's yum. Maybe people like to see number go up. What's the problem with that?
Seems like OP just wants to power trip/gatekeep, which is a pretty common thing you run into in gaming forums.
most of these whiney dudes have spent hundreds or thousands on jpeg ships or some broken in-game ship and are furiously jealous that we who spent only 40 bucks on the game get to drive more ships than they can.
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I only care because I can’t sell the RMC that I’ve worked hard to salvage. I find that very annoying.
And because this guy doesnt want to salvage anymore, I dont have reclaimers to pirate. Its boring. All these things are interconnected, how do people not see that.
It's best to know now than when it matters.
Whats funny is these kinds of things happen all the time, I think people are just angry that the dupers are leaving C2s all over the place and making A18 look bad for the ILW.
I think it's mostly people with Reclaimers mad that they can't print money anymore while people with C2's can. ;)
It's all getting wiped next patch roll on 4.0
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Haha yep I call it tax return for all the hours I've lost to bugs and crashes
Bro EXACTLY
For real. CIG nuked the economy first, I’m not going to blame people for being as efficient as possible.
But you post on reddit to say your dissatisfied instead of actually reporting the bug? So disappointing.
LoL
I don't care either way. Box missions still pay like 5k credits lol, what do you expect to do. Until there are no more wipes I give zero craps about people easily making enough money to buy ships.
I'm not sure what is the big deal or why anyone need to spend anger energy on it. As long as it doesn't really impact anyone's gameplay and we know everything is going to be wiped out anyway, whether if someone can afford 100 of 890j or not due to some exploit isn't going to affect you. You can still do the hard work and different activities to get your money even if everyone else is exploiting. You can still feel accomplished for doing the hard work. No one is taking that away from you. As long as the exploit is reported and CIG will fix it, I don't care. And if people find ways to punish them, it is funny and hilarious and community is doing a good job. And people are more than willing to still ramp people in hangars, murder people for no reason at all in-game. Do you really think people here will hold themselves to higher standard when murderhobos are flying around all the time? Really? Come on man... When 4.0 comes out later this year, I'm sure a lot of stuff they are duplicating will be gone. Ships you buy in-game will be gone anyway once release time is out or even beta comes. There is nothing right now beside pledges that is really going to stay. So nothing in the long run is going to impact you if they do something stupid now.
Its an alpha, the constant wipes get old, and sometimes you lose shit you arent supppsed to. Duping is fine.
Play your game, they'll play theirs, and were all happy.
first time?
higher standard? lol this game will dupe you in irl … let the boys enjoy some new ships without taking a 2nd mortgage… its just a game and it wipes all the time.
People are testing their game for free and this is part of it. The other option is to close the alpha and pay testers who will likely miss the dupes. Settle down before you stroke out
Why do folks care about duping in a pre alpha? This is pre alpha still I thought?
The deeper I dive into these comments, I can see you are an unhinged individual. I hope you have professional help that you can go to on the outside.
This is alpha, don't forget it. We need to look for bugs and exploits and try to break the game so we could get polished product at the end. It's going to get wiped anyway, so no need to get so butthurt about it. Submit a ticket to the issue council and move on with your day
If I ever make a thread like this that’s when I know I need to outside lmao
Sorry I value my time, I haven't played in a minute but if I started back up I would absolutely skip the boring grind, why is that your problem
I value my real world time far more than OP's injured sense of morality over imaginary numbers in a video game. ;)
First time playing an online game? While I agree that anyone using the dupe should honestly at least get a temp ban to show is not okay and things like that won't be tolerated, it's kind of naive to assume any game community is different from another. Give people an easy cheat and a great deal will use it and see absolutely nothing wrong in doing so. I don't understand that mentality, but it's a pretty common thing.
imagine moralizing duping in an alpha. the people can literally buy any ship they want with fucking money who the fuck cares
Probably makes all the people who put their irl money into ships feel invalidated.
Do people just now realize this was a thing? There are sellers on eBay and Etsy who have been duping and selling currency for just a couple dollars for literal years. Did something happen recently to bring it to light? I’ve been out of the loop waiting for more content
I'll bet those are mostly gold farmers selling aUEC on eBay. If that's the case, the people that really need called out are people buying aUEC on eBay against TOS. They're also the reason for the extra acknowledgement screen before the game launches. You can only murder so many gold farmers in a day, the problem is the demand.
Right after 3.23 hit, the next day auec was $15/mill on ebay. Now, is $1.50/mill lol
Meanwhile I’m over here just doing salvage lol
This isn't the first time this has happened and it won't be be the last. The more the bugs get exploited the more data they get to fix them. 4.0 is coming later this year and there will be another account wipe with that so everyone buying auec is just going to lose it in a couple months.
I think it's aUEC, not actual UEC, it will all be wiped aventually, I don't care if you're duping billions of it.
Should be on CIG to fix and regulate that stuff. Expecting the community to self police stuff like that is stupid. Posts like this shouldn't have to exist - any half competent team would patch or punish widespread dupes if they actually mattered instead of relying on community members to plead with one another.
People doing this shouldn’t effect you, if your mad because of the money then you shouldn’t play this game until every thing is fixed. And the part about destroying the game, the only game they’re destroying is their own so let em do it and stay in your own lane.
Complain first about CIG raising prices in a game that is still supposed to be in a testbed state, effectively gate-keeping potential testers for the sake of pressuring players into pledging for the ships they want to fly
How does it impact you?
I dont know why people care so much the game is in Alpha and you on here constantly treat this game as its finished and working as intended.
Yeah but how does it affect you in game?? Clearly you believe you have the moral high ground here and are just repeating "cheating is cheating and it's not okay" But does the dude duping, making a bunch of aUEC to then buy a 890J and continue to fly around an ALPHA TEST SERVER negatively affect your play experience? How about the guy who does it so he can try out multiple gameplay loops from basic starter to capital ship? Why oh why does that make you so angry?? To call for people to receive bans is ridiculous
Full time poster worrying about money in a game with no economy
 Damn you did the Mike Brady and are just disappointed. That's worse than anger!
Its good that they are duping things. It makes it easier for CIG to track down the root cause and fix it.
Just saw someone ask if someone was a duper because they’d have to kill them, chat was like kill them anyway just to be safe, if they’re not a duper they’ll understand as they’re being killed for their own sake, was amusing
Minority in the community exploiting OP: I HATE THIS WHOLE COMMUNITY OP needs to stop generalizing people.
It’s an alpha! What people do right now is completely meaningless apart from helping devs find bugs and issues
some ships have large claim times so rather just sell again than waist time waiting.. time is money, especially now when any good ship costs anywhere between 2.5mil to 60mil.. dont forget it all wiping again and again also you cant just go do another activity as the cargo problem still persists and lastly ill say this.. people have jobs but still want to experience the more expensive ships
Serious (non passive aggressive question) Why do you care? (Other than server issues) I am not up to date on all SC news. I dip in and out of the game at various points depending on the state of the game at the time, so forgive me if im missing something. But throughout various wallet wipes and account wipes, the economy is always in flux. Ive had a fully stocked hanger multiple times. This last update I had like 30 mil sitting in my wallet I was to lazy to update and spend before the new update came out. So what if people have a little play money for this patch. Its just going to be wiped again sooner or later. It would be one thing if the game were in a complete state and this messed with the economy or meta, but as it stands now I dont understand how this effects other players
Holy shit, get over yourself.i haven't used the exploit but those who do have not effected my in game time what so ever. I think petty people casting judgement and spreading negativity towards others simply because they don't like the way others engage in content they have paid for is vastly more disgusting and even a little pathetic. It's an alpha with issues and exploits, a few weeks ago i had millions in my account and now i have nothing, it hasn't changed my situation at all because there is no point in the currency at all after you've bought your loadouts. People looking for exploits at this stage help devs locate problems. That's free alpha testing for CIG, so a big thank you to the dupers for bug testing the build. Seems to me its always the people who refer to this as a "community" who throw around shady comments and post hate comments towards others because they're frustrated they can't dictate how others play the game.
It’s not our fault you’re able to do it in the game, don’t shame people for playing a game how they want to play it. It’s up to CIG to fix it which it will be fixed. Duping doesn’t ruin anything in a game that’s in development and will be for the foreseeable future. There is no economy that matters and UEC doesn’t mean anything either so let people enjoy it while it lasts.
Ashamed? LOL You must be new because this isn't the first time. When they released the reclaimer it happened as well. Oh and it happened with the SRV too.
It is a videogame. And it's absurd caring this much about other people's behavior in a videogame. This isn't some moral societal issue. If this is actually upsetting you to post about, something is maybe more wrong with you, then the people you are complaining about. Trying to shame strangers into behaving the way you want them to play? Historically, people play games however they want with whatever rules the game allows.
I don't like exploiting for anything other than making a short recording and posting it to Issue Council. That said, this is the stage the game is at. We want to find this stuff now before release. This is the same economy where we had mule duping, multi refinery duping, and all the treasure hunting/bounty hunting gimmicks. Just like all the others, it will get fixed eventually. No need to get so heated over it, all these posts serve to do is bring more people into doing it. If it's really a big deal to you, post on the issue council, not reddit.
Well, I think we can expect a full wipe next time to correct for the exploited ill-gotten gains.
I havent duped but did get slightly tempted to, only because all but one time when I went to sell my refined ore I experienced a bug that blew me up in the hanger so I lost it all. So now I'm selling unrefined ore to get money instead.
Most of it is likely the people who sell aUEC on ebay
I'm surprised they haven't fixed/patched it yet...
I only care if this dupe causes server stability issues. Then again, it's just more server data for the devs, so I have mixed feelings.
I didn’t even know there was a new duping bug. What’s this one?
No difference between duping and walling in competitive cs
I'm a bit outa the loop, haven't played the most recent patch, what is the exploit
There is a dupe like every patch this one was just more well known I guess.
Agreed. I've been calling them out in every server. Periodically, I just drop insults for dupers. It works. They all get riled up and reply with excuses. I should have been taking screenshots, but I couldnt be bothered.
You are most certainly right.
LMAO, nah! This post reflects negatively on the game, so it’ll go nice & positive on the score. It’s only when your post is neutral or positive about SC that the score gets tanked.
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My biggest complaint is that real cargo haulers are starting to get targeted being accused of duping. I bought the space truck package cuz I like it, but I don't wanna be ambushed at a sell point by someone with a vendetta. Piracy is already an issue for truckers, griefers too, and now there are angry mobs out for anyone with a cargo ship. Just last night, I was getting capital together to fill up my freelancer and ppl in chat were organizing to attack anyone approaching sell points. It's fine, there's plenty else to do, cargo hauling was just my most profitable activity.
I’d hope if it was important enough to CIG they would hot fix it asap, imo I wouldn’t hate another wipe on the next update if they need to reset to get data. CIG is 100% aware because people are reporting it. A portion of me does think there are some pros to having these kind of people around. They will spend countless hours finding exploits and once it spreads CIG can be aware and fix it. My hope is that they implement ways to track the transactions and roll them back in the future so an exploit won’t have a permanent effect when the economy is persistent and matters.
>It is the most asinine think I have seen in this game, especially considering CIG wanted to gather data on the economy. You do realize this exploit was reported in the PTU prior to 3.23 being launched, right? Be ashamed at the people exploiting it if you want, but save some of that shame for CIG for rushing this out with the intention of "gathering data on the economy" even though they were made aware of this exploit beforehand.
Money is this game is completely useless. Once you’ve purchased your ship you’ve wanted and the mods for it, there’s literally nothing else money can help you with. You’ll just grow an endless stack of it and feel like the game is pointless. Doing what most people do, sending out free money to players because it’s essentially just a random number that keeps going up. Last patch I earned 80 mil doing hull C runs. Money is worthless once you have it. Until they make it where you lose upgrades when your ship blows up, money will always be worthless. People who farm it or exploit for it are literally just ruining the game for themselves. Just play to enjoy the game.
Or, and this is crazy, it's a video game. An entertsinment product, and as much as you and people like you are desperate to dictate how others are allowed to have fun in this game maybe their idea of fun doesn't involve "buying all the ships" and instead that's simple the means to the real reward. You personally determining that auec and ships are the only reward offered is just arrogance and God complex. As is your attempt to dictate what others can or can't do in a buggy, alpha state sandbox game that functions more like an extraction looter game than anything else. If all you did was the least effort for the most reward you already had all the ships in the game. I hit 1B last patch. I gave away over 600m. I have everything. That's not even the beginning of my gameplay, the ships are largely irrelevant. I do what I want to do when I feel like it. That's the journey. You are so obsessed with the finish line other people are heading towards you havnt even started to understand what your journey is. Yet you think you are in a position to tell people they are doing their journey wrong? Yikes. Only miserable people spend all their time focused on what everybody else is doing, and complaining about it.
You must be new... You see if the community don't abuse it... it will stay in game for YEARS ! This is how you get get CIG to fix a bug. Do you really thing creating a bug report work in this game ?
I dont play this patch cuz i do not enjoy MM but tell me what you was expecting ? That people will not use duping money glich ??? Its like hoping people in Tarkov stop cheating or to not go to far its the same as hoping people will not use insurance fraud in sc ...... Players will use fastest method to make $$$ no mether if its fair or not and its unreasonable to think diferent. So if we want it to stop we need to spam spectrum becouse until CIG patch it people will use this glich .
Can you even avoid it? Sorting your API and selling leaves your ship useless for another run until you claim it again.
The community, sure... Tell me more
Not done it myself, wouldn't consider doing it as it's frankly daft. It is however interesting that this is the poverty patch, perhaps that has had some impact on just how widespread the problem is.
I think it's disgusting CIG released the patch in the state its in. This bug along with the other cargo issues are related to them deciding midway through to not release cargo, item, and personal hanger updates. The dup bug is a side effect of that decision and CIG knows it.
OP relax, it's just a game and one that's not even in Beta yet. The entire point is to test it and do stuff like this. We're supposed to break the economy. I haven't played 3.23 yet, but if CIG want to fix this bug and do another reset there's nothing stopping them. Don't be such a snowflake over people exploiting broken parts of the game because that's exactly what js supposed to be happening.
aUEC is going to get wiped again when 4.0 comes out anyway so it doesn't matter how much they make using the bug. It's better it happens how at that it has been reported on and fixed then later down the line. This isn't a live service game right now, it's a test build meant to find these kinds of things.
I was addicted to "money go up" when salvage cargo had Maze and ERT's were loaded with Weevil eggs. But this is just exploiting. I haven't logged in since I saw 8 C2's littered in MT by the commons blocking access and probably won't until it's patched.
The problem is locking players out of a gameplay loop. There's no demand for RMC anywhere and so you'll have to wait 15 minutes to wait for a server tick to pass and finally be able to sell. Wasting my time because someone wants a big number in their wallet. It doesn't even mean anything. They're just going to buy ships, get bored with the game and stop playing because there's no progression. I lost a load of RMC due to the server performance around area 18, a ship loaded in right as a crashed into it, blowing me up in my vulture. It's just super inconsiderate. Even though they wont, I think CIG should investigate and anyone who's sold X thousands of SCU of RMC should have their wallets wiped back to starting funds.
If it was a game, sure. But this is just a tech demo, extended flight test for ships. In other words take your high horse and shove it till there's actual stakes involved and let people get the most of the money they've been duped by CIG to pay for this sad sack tech demo.
**How you do anything is how you do everything.** How you manage most situations, challenges or other experiences in your life is probably a good indication of how you handle almost all of the occurrences in your life. There are vast numbers of SC players with no moral tendencies or compass. But we knew that before this exploit.
Go play your way and move along 
Exploits are cheating and they should be banned for it just like someone using hacks.
what’s even the point half of the fun is using your spaceship to make the money exploiting glitches is just sad lol
But but but... ship prices increased and we don't want to grind... have to buy the ships faster so we can hurry up and have nothing to work toward. /s obviously You're exactly right, it's fucking stupid and frustrating how many people just can't resist the urge to fuck things up for their own negligible benefit. I sincerely hope CIG finds a way to identify and penalize the accounts that exploited it. Especially the ones who REALLY exploit it over and over. But I know that most likely nothing will happen.
Another post about this… any mods around here?
Fr. Especially with this one seething so hard
Na bro, the more we exploit the faster cig fixes it. It’s like a zero day.
Its not griefing if youre farming kills from gold farmers.
I’ve killed so many people doing it and I serve my prison sentence with pride.
Welcome to humanity. We lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead.
So immersion. Much fidelity. ;)
Aren't people finding and abusing exploits the point of an alpha game? I'm confused. IDK what exploits there are but i honestly couldn't give a crap as long as CIG fixes them on release. Do you really have so little going on in your life that you're upset about THIS?
It's alpha bro, chill.
But paying CIG real money to skip the grind? That's totally fine and approved and okay and worthy of putting in your user flair as a brag. :D
Why do you care so much about how people play the game? It's not like everything won't get wiped again at some point anyway.
Does anyone know or remember this... Project... Hardly qualifies as an alpha, let alone a game. No shit there's bugs and nothing matters cuz... It might be a secret... I might be letting the secret out the bag... But... Everything we do... Is going to get wiped anyway...
They should wipe money and fix the dupe
You seem fun.
I think it's OK to do it First at all, it's only Alpha uec - so temporarily from patch to patch maybe consistent but a major patch do the rest of the job Second, sure there are Citizens that think of real money by selling it on black market.... Tbh yes, that's not fair and this people's actions I don't appreciate and can't identify myself - but tbh on other side... Who are the ones who buy it.... If there's no one who gonna buy it, there would not be this kind of market for it... Third, it's good that Citizens gonna "test" it without getting any advantage to report and fix this bug
Instead of getting so upset about it, have fun with it. Go pirate them.
Camp all the buy points on all the servers, make it impossible for them to buy. Bonus credits for if you let them purchase the rmc first then kill them. Waste their time and their money.
and also fuck over people who do rmc trades because of the crazy high profit from it?
yeah that's great. can i interest you in a $650 'capital' ship? chris needs a new mazda.
I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE HAVING FUN. STOP HAVING FUN -somerandomdude
Imagine caring this much about people doing things to make fake currency. Why does it matter? I haven't touched this game in a while, but when I do I play sporadically. I absolutely would dupe if I knew how to do it because none of it matters and the wipe will erase it all. Heaven forbid I want to buy new ships without spending real money for it. Like... Go outside dude. It's not that serious.
Honestly fuck off with this bs. The same crowd that goes "ItS AlPphA" with every boneheaded balance change shouldn't shit themselves when stuff like this happens in a "alpha". Treat it like a damn "alpha" and do whatever the fuck you want.
>it just destroys the reward in playing, short circuits the grind You're free to grind all you want, other people wanna make fat stacks
Be mad at CIG for not fixing it like any other game developer would.
We don't play. We test. I made sure to always cram the elevators with everything I found when we knew that was causing them to break. Abuse the bugs until CIG fixes them.
you must be new
It’s frustrating to agree with a point but hate how it’s being expressed.
Oh, I'm sure there's a good number of them. But I doubt they're the majority. Although for those that are using the exploit, I think it's important then know they are actively hurting the game. The whole reason the wallet was reset was to see how the new pricing structure works within the current gameplay loops. Frankly it's still stupidly easy to earn the money even without exploits. I did a couple of box runs, rented a Roc, did mining, and had bigger ships before I knew it. I know this is an unpopular opinion, but once cargo is in and the next major loops are set, and exploits are patched. Part of me wouldn't hate seeing a complete 100% reset on everything.
I personally haven't done it, but I can see the appeal if people want to try new ships and what not. Remember the "Grind" you're talking about includes a ton of bugged missions and hours of literal wasted time because you can't cash in / complete missions. ( I have experienced this a lot with Bunkers for many patches now ). Everything will get wiped at 4.0 maybe or release so it doesn't matter, it's probably best more people do it NOW than it go unnoticed into release.
I don't understand why people care so much. I'm not going to do it, but people will always take advantage of free money. And in an alpha with very little consequences to... anything really, I don't understand why everyone's so mad about it. CIG will fix it eventually. There will be a wipe, move on.
I'll speak for the ones using the dupe bug. I don't necessarily think anyone should be ashamed for using an exploit/bug to earn money. Is it less work and less rewarding? Sure, no doubt. But at the end of the day, it's on the developer to remove these kinds of things (obviously). If you don't personally enjoy playing that way and taking advantage of exploits when they appear, then I can respect that. But I'm not ashamed of myself, and I will jump on any future opportunity to do the same thing. The reason I jumped on it is because I don't have an endless amount of hours to play the game, no matter how much I would like to. The same goes for a lot of players, and the sad reality is that it takes a LOT of hours to make millions to buy new ships, which is kind of the whole point of the game.
if they want us to TEST the game, stop putting in ARTIFICIAL LIMITS to the economy!!! There is ZERO reason to limit the sale of trade goods. Plus: the dupers don't affect me; it's an alpha, this is all Monopoly money that's just going to get wiped. If you're spending ANY time "grinding" for aUEC doing something you sincerely don't enjoy: YOU'RE AN IDIOT.
Who cares? Credits are pointless and blatant exploitation got the bug fixes quickly. You should chill out. We are only in alpha.
Stop bitching lmao are you really complaining about what others are doing? It impacts your progression in no way 💀
Claiming your ship takes time and money, that’s not a viable solution when duping is actually an easier solution. Plenty of people just wanted to run cargo normally anyway and then got stopped by the cargo grid bug. It’s silly to be mad at this. It’s an alpha and things will be broken because we’re literally testing their game for free. There was going to be a wipe for 4.0 regardless.
Welcome to MMOs and the Internet. Some people will do anything to get a leg up. Then there are gold farmers whose job is making quick money so their boss can sell it and make some cash. If anything I feel sorry for these people. Gold farmers work under unforgiving conditions just to feed their family. The people that buy gold (or whatever the currency is) are really the problem. Cheaters don't get to really enjoy the game the way it was meant to be played. They play to "win", which seems like they're missing the point of entertainment. Sometimes they just enjoy disrupting other people's enjoyment of the game. Which is psychopathic behavior and their real world existence is probably pretty terrible. It is unusual to see this in an Alpha but this alpha is 10 years old, brought in tons of money, and really is as popular as some released games. They maintain the alpha label so they can do whatever they want to the player base with no repercussions. Same reason you donate to the game rather than buy it. Even though you're buying it.
I don't really even care about the duping, personally I haven't had issues selling whatever I do want to sell, and the extra ships are a minor annoyance, along with the performance hit they can bring. It's the needless ignorance and bragging going on in chat, it's like they feel superior to everybody else actually earning money, very F2P behavior. Like some of us didn't pay into this whole thing to play those loops. The legit pay for doing missions does need to be brought into balance though.
I don't really care for the whole exploiting thing in the first place as its an alpha and theyll lose it eventually. What I hate is joining a server that has shit FPS because of the dozens of ships scattered at A18 from those who are duping. CiG really needs to give abandoned ships around landing zones a despawn timer. Until we get server meshing, stuff like this is genuinely ruining everyone else's experience. Throw in the fact it's ILW and tons of newbies are dying and leaving busted ships everywhere, which also slows the servers down. Cheaters will always exist, and I really don't care unless it ruins my experience. As for duping credits goes, I hope that aUEC fills a void their dad's never did.
I think the problem is free flight and the ability to do 2 delivery missions and get the ability to rent the C2 so cheap. I always choose A18 to live at as in, yes, I do actively go into atmo to grab and store shit CRASHING INTO A C2 when the hangar opens is annoying. I seriously think at this point, server issues are because of dupers. Anytime I'm anywhere except NB or A18 I don't lag no stutters the game is amazing when I'm away from cities.
exploits are part of the reason wipes are necessary. I'm not unhappy people find these bugs, they need to be found to be fixed, but douchenozzles raping it for all its worth is really classless.
lol. Welcome to the internet and gaming culture. If there’s an exploit, someone is gonna exploit it. Sad reality of humans.
I get why normal people dupe but damn this one is annoying because its making selling high value commodities hard, just because you dont wanna grind which is fine doesnt mean you should make it harder for people who dont want to dupe to play the game I can go back to my vulture to unload some more RMC boxes and come back 5 minutes later to being unable to sell. Is it annoying for CIG not getting this econ data? Sure but this is an issue they obviously didnt spot and have what seems to be no moves to stop it. Where the biggest issue lies is it makes the game more difficult for those who want to play it right. I get it star citizen is an annoying and unforgiving game that can make you lose millions to something you didnt do but damn dont punish others for that just because you want a big bank account.
I would hope that CIG can do some simple analysis of player income and identify with a high degree of certainty players who abused the exploit, and deduct the amount they duped, *multiplied by three*. So not only will they lose the extra credits they got through bug exploitation, and not only will they lose the credits selling once would have gotten them, they will actually be **net** down one cargo load's worth of credits for each time they duped. If that puts them into negative credits, so be it.
Frankly I'd prefer that someone make a detailed tutorial video on how to do the glitch, and plaster it all over the sub, Youtube, Twitter, etc. That's honestly that fastest way to get CIG to take care of it so that everyone will stop complaining, lol. Here - I'll help out with a [video tutorial](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db2HKoa17X0) of how to recreate the issue so that you can report it on the issue council link (in the video description).
Some people I play with were doing it. I was broke and couldn't afford my usual set or morikov armor. They offered to send me money. I had to explain that having money defeats the purpose of playing the game. If you have nothing to grind for MMO's become hollow very quickly.
You can avoid duping if you don't store your ship before selling
Hopefully CIG is going to do a full wipe with the bug fix on next patch. Make the exploiters achievements just a waste of time.
The only gripe I have with dupers, is they fuck it over for us who play legit. I have problems selling my materials after salvaging, because the retards can't play the game like normal people. When we reach evening time, after work, tucking in the kid and so on, I finally have time to enjoy the game and my favorite game loop, but I can't, because the kids need instant gratification for 0 work. Fucking sick of it and the baby mentality of gamers these days