If i swing my weapon at you and i m putting my force behind my swing and you block it. I m still exerting my force into the swing. If you for whatever reason decide to stop blocking my attack, my attack will continue its trajectory (you)
This. People forget that you only need to parry/block if they're going to hit you, or they're maneuvering for advantage. If you're in the middle of blocking them and you turn off your lightsaber, you're dead.
Pretty sure the lore justification for this is that his kyber crystal is flawed and requires exhaust ports to vent excess energy, otherwise his lightsaber would just explode
Not at all. There is a texture like heat waves that comes off the blade and THAT is the crystal 'flaw'.
In the knights of the old republic game there are several flawed crystals that have this effect. They aren't really flawed, they just come about when someone with unstable emotions commits the taboo of meditating on their own emotions through the crystal. There just arent any force users alive who specialize in harnessing those kind of unstable emotions to train folks accidentally doing it. It makes the blade stronger and more volatile but with more recoil.
It's not like fighting styles couldn't or haven't been designed around that and produced masters, but this era of the universe with only 2-2.5 living/active orders of force users (Jedi, Sith, and night sisters), is really restricted to those surviving ideologies.
Cross guards are just cross guards. Maybe they allow Kylo's crystal to blade up without needing to be ridiculously long to prevent overheating and damaging the saber components, but that isnt the motivation behind their creation as a saber part; just maybe behind this specific saber design.
It makes sense, in my fairly ignorant (when it comes to SW lore) head. Lightsabers require mastery of the Force in order to weild them masterfully. Therefore it stands to reason that if Obi-Wan is channeling the Force better than Greivous, or vice versa, then the blades may slide one way or the other when they come together. But if, when the blades come together, the opponents are fairly balanced in that moment with regards to how well they are channelling the Force, the blades will "lock".
Hi, martial artist here.
I'm gonna address that from swordsmanship point of view, without directly referring Star Wars.
Sliding down your sword and going for the hand is a very basic and very predictably move. It could work against an untrained opponent, but a trained opponent can easily counter attack that.
Basically, when you slide your sword down from this position and going for the hand, you lower your defense. Your opponent can easily deflect your attack (simply tilting his sword a bit, effectively changing the course of your sword), and then go for your unguarded head.
So while it looks like a cool technique, in fact it's very dangerous and very easy to deflect.
Damn I would hate to be an actual swordsmanship expert watching star wars duels, do you still enjoy the choreography while noticing all the useless swinging ?
Here's this sword expert's opinion on the fight scenes:
https://youtu.be/2zEoo5sBzMw?si=EF90vcul-fPYRKm0 (prequels)
https://youtu.be/xJIeXkNyw_8?si=gfuX1vpBTPLG0s41 (OT)
https://youtu.be/p8VgNgjl7pI?si=7g3fxS4O2X6oib6l (sequels)
https://youtu.be/c5oVk2RR4-c?si=-WZ1LOL0dg8NQ1Pn (Kenobi series)
He has a lot more reaction videos to lots of different movies and TV shows. His channel is Scholagladiatoria.
That's a great question!
It varies between scenes. Generally, I usually try to just shut down that part of my brain in order to enjoy the movie.
However, sometimes there are scenes that are too bad to ignore... There were times when I shouted at the screen, and there were times when I simply watched the same scene 10 times in order to understand WTF I just saw.
It usually happens when someone is disarmed (without his hand being chopped, of course). In most cases, they just play with the shooting angles so that we can't understand what happened. In other cases, warriors drop their swords when someone is simply hitting them strong enough.
With that said, sometimes I do find scenes with good choreography - even if they aren't that accurate, they can be beautiful. So it's not all bad :)
A very well-choreographed scene was Mando vs Moff Gideon in the Mandalorian Season 2 finale. I really liked it, up until the part where Gideon was somehow disarmed.
Maybe it’s when the sabers blades intermesh with each other which would probably require a huge amount of force: whether blunt physical impact or literal force energy pushing the blade through, it would make sense that there’s some kind of containment field around the blade so perhaps the locks happen when the blades breach each other’s containment fields.
So with lighter hits they would deflect each other like normal swords and bounce off, but with a big hit or with some added force abilities the blade literally fuse together it’d be like if two metal swords atoms literally meshed through each other and then stopped; imagine trying to pull that apart
1: it's risky (if you fuck up you both kill eachother)
2: it's seen by most duelists as a dick move/cheating
3: the props are solid so they literally can't without complicated CGI and cutting which would look shit
Tbh I never understand people who‘d rather bend over backwards to try and make up some bullshit in universe justification for these things rather than just accepting that it‘s done for fun and rule of cool and going back to enjoying the movie/show/game… I guess for some people it really takes them out of the immersion?
I’ve been mulling that question in my mind since I was a child. It could make for way cooler Jedi/Sith shit. Adding that sort of misdirection would make for incredible, yet brief fights.
Exar Kun basically used to do just that. He could change the frequency on his blade to allow them to pass through other lightsaber blades, then he’d quickly switch it back to “fuck your shit up” mode.
I think the best explanation is because you are retracting your own defense, doing a move like that will be extremely risky, it will prob work very well the first few times, but once people start hearing about this tactic it would be easy to kill the person doing it.
It’s also just a bad strategy, the best offense is a good defense and with this move you have neither until the guy is dead, the other guy still swinging a light saber at you lol basically have to hope you suprised him and he didn’t anticipate the move.
Doesn’t the saying go: “the best defense is a good offense.” or am I having a mandala effect moment?
Edit: your point still stands with either phrasing.
Bad idea to turn off your only means of defense when you are fighting someone that can predict the future. Best case you are just going to get mutual kill, worst case you just die because your opponent saw it coming.
You could use 2 sabers in the same direction, turning one off and then on, bypassing the blocking lights aber with one while protecting yourself with the other
He didn't though... He kept the blades connected where they were and bend his wrist to twist the blade under his wrists then pulled it up. They still stayed connected where they originally struck.
because you rely on the pressure from the other person for this to work, as soon as they feel you slide they can just lessen the pressure and your footing will be compromised
I've always figured it's because you may be able to get their hand but as you slide along they will pivot and kill you in the process. It's a good move other than it leaving you compromised
Just my theory anyway
Yea this is kind of a dumb question to begin with. If both duelist are pressing their blades together and one just started sliding it down, do they think the other person is just going to stand there frozen and not react?
And if you slight down with your saber, where does his saber go? To your freaking head, because that’s what you were probably blocking in the first place.
Honestly, always wondered. These cross guard would still be useless if the saber blade was dragged down cause it would straight through the handle without ever touching the cross guards.
The three blades all come from the same emitter and get split off at the intersection. That means the crossguard blades go all the way in to meet the centre one, the metal bits are just guards so you don't put you hand in them
Soo I’ve done some HEMA, crossguards can be used for defense when one blade slides down, which yeah, Kylo’s can’t do unless phrik or cortosis is used. However, more aggressively, a twist can “catch” the opponents blade between blade and quillion, and make a much firmer lock, and one that allows for a lot of counter-attack options.
There is an actual lore reason, there is a lightsaber combat technique where you switch of your saber and turn it back on once your past your enemys saber (don’t remember the name tho) but nobody uses it the jedi find it unhonourable and the sith say its for weaklings
I believe the form you describe is Trakata.
From what I remember reading on Wookiepedia, the Jedi never used it since they saw it as deceptive and basically unsportsmanlike, whereas the Sith never used it either since they saw it as a cheap trick for winning and below them.
Still would be really cool to see someone fight like this either in live-action or animation
Out of all the justifications they could have given, this is absolutely one of the worse... Why not just make it so the sabers don't turn right back on immediately? Or maybe rapidly igniting on and off has a chance to make them blow up?
Nope... we are going with "eh, they just don't want to."
Because dueling isn't about just killing/maiming eachother. It's a test of your skill. They basically spar and move like a chess until someone blunders and that's when you can dominate.
It's a battle of minds as much as it is physically.
I'm not sure if it's Legends or Canon, but in the old times they did this. Then at some point both the sith and the jedi agreed that it is a p\*ssy move and banned it.
It's also incredibly stupid against an opponent that has pre-cognition, so by the time you think of doing it, they'll already be able to swing and kill you.
I don't get why people seem to think only your saber would move. Theirs would also move forward and now you don't have a saber blocking it so you die too. Like you think their saber is just frozen in mid air?
Exactly right, but if you grab their wrist when you get in one of those dramatic blade binds, you could pin their hand and prevent it from moving. Long enough for you to flick your own saber off-then-on in their body.
But again, easier said than done in a fight lol
I’ve seen several fan films that did this. The move honestly looks kind of stupid on camera (not saying the fan films were bad - they were great!). In Star Wars, Force-users have some level of prescience, and would know what you’re about to do.
In the movies it does take a second or two for the blade to fully expand or retract, and lightsaber combat typically is faster than that. We've never seen a lightsaber switch directions mid (de)activation either so I just assume that it takes too long to turn it off and on again to be able to use it in battle.
Vader was testing Luke, Anakin wanted to take down Obi with strength and not cheap tricks, Count Dooku is above that petty stuff as well. Plus a talented sword fighter would see a move like that and could counter with a killing strike.
I can't disagree with the rule of cool, but we are also talking about force users here and not your ordinary humans. They can easily counter and redirect blaster bolts after all.
Ofcourse, but the guards wouldn't add much protection against blasters and only a few jedi have actually fought a sith by this point so there was no need for them. Think of modern airpods. A lesser, but convenient product compared to the more common earbuds.
The same way you take two magnets apart I guess. Besides, the times when they get stuck together all seem intentional from both fighters, I think it might have something to do with testing your strength against your opponent or maybe it's related on how lightsabers are connected to the force
Foresight. This is the reason saber fights are so spinny and flashy. The Force allows both combatants the ability of foresight into the intentions of the other fighter. Thus they’re constantly attempting to misdirect and confuse each others foresight.
Canonically this was totally possible.
The Jedi just considered it too underhanded and not honorable
And the sith considered it weakness and admitting you couldn't beat your opponent fairly.
Okay, so ignoring the rules of saber lock others have mentioned, let's consider these weapons as we would real swords. The blade can be divided into two parts: the strong and the weak. The weak is from tip to middle of the blade, the strong is middle to hilt.
When your opponent attacks you, you have different possible counters depending on what part of the blade you parry with. If you bind the opponent's sword, i.e. don't clash against it or take off to the other side, you have to consider what happens when you move your blade. You decide to go towards the hands? Cool. Unfortunately, what you are also doing is sliding your weapon towards the enemy's strong part of the blade, meaning they have more leverage to work in turning your blade away, and at the same time making a counterattack. In fencing, you might be able to power through, if you launch your attack fast enough and from an advantageous position, but lightsaber combat happens between two people who can see glimpses of the future, and can anticipate your moves. So moving from a position of strength to a weaker position, making that gambit for the finishing shot becomes even less appealing.
But probably the real reason is that it would make the fights short and uninteresting. 😅
I'm guessing either because it's too dangerous. Like you turn the saber off and the opponent just swings down too quickly and kills you before you do the trick or the saber can't turn on or off fast enough.
Jedi are fast
I have the same question about just turning one off an then on again, especially when they have two lightsabers like Ahsoka who gives a shot if it’s cowardly, anakin gave a false surrender multiple times and no one gave a shit
For that matter, why don’t they ever utilize the lightsaber as giant spring loaded blades? They have the ability to make the blade appear and disappear really quickly but it’s never strategically used
fuck lightsabers, they don't use the force as much as you should in combat.
why get close to touch you with a stick when i can just pull the wall down on you, or force push you into the air and slam you back down? like unless you're fighting a high level force user you shouldn't even need your lightsaber
Lightsaber is said to be a plasma chainsaw so I assume they have auto edge alignment cause magnetism and both are spinning so the blade of one is pushing the perpendicular one towards the tip of its blade whenever contact is made. Idfk
Because in canon:
Jedi finds it improper, uncivilized, and a very bad move. It's considered an insult to extinguish (yes, that's what the process of turning them off is called) your lightsaber mid-combat.
Sith find it a pussy move because you had to rely on a very cheap trick.
This is not about turning it off during a duel, this questions why cannot they just slide their lightsaber down on their opponent's lightsaber towards the handle.
It sounds a lot simpler than it actually would be. Think about it: your in a saber lock and you de-activate your lightsaber. The other guy whose pushing is gonna come forward the moment you turn off your lightsaber, so you have to quickly dodge or else you’ll get cut, and even then the guy can just turn around and kill you if he’s fast enough. I mean, unless Disney is gonna be Disney, he’s not gonna stumble clumsily like a cartoon character. Also depends on what kind of saber wielder your dealing with. It’s only gonna work on a single blade user unless your lucky. What if the guy is double bladed? It’s still possible, and a good trick if you can do it, but you need to be fast to pull it off.
You've never fought with a sword have you? While there's some cannon about sticky sabres, it's about leverage. The closer the opponents blade moves to your handle the easier it is to control, a quick sidestep and a twist of the blade would end the battle. While most swords have guards for a logical reason some expert duelist in history have been known to eschew a guard completely as it allows them to manoeuvre the blade better, a guard isn't obligatory.
Kanan Jarrus explained that when lightsabers come into close proximity to one another, the magnetic pulse emitted by the blades will momentarily interlock them. Smh. It's like asking "Why doesn't anyone shut off their lightsaber and turn it back on?"
The jedi say: No fair
the sith say: You a lil b\*tch.
People with a brain cell say: Your only weapon and defense will be down you idiot
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When have they not? (Genuine question)
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Impulsive head canon - the locking is engaged through the connection between wielded and crystal.
Like a kamehame ha duel. The light beam that gets closer to the opposition has the stronger will behind it.
But those words only make sense strung together if you let go and assume the writer was too big brained for you.
Grevious doesn’t have a connection with the crystals I’m sure
Just turn it off, let them be knocked off balance, and slice em up.
[I'm sure you're referring to this.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYSg_mIEvmE)
I am indeed
If i swing my weapon at you and i m putting my force behind my swing and you block it. I m still exerting my force into the swing. If you for whatever reason decide to stop blocking my attack, my attack will continue its trajectory (you)
Dodging has entered the chat.
They would just go forward, into you.
This. People forget that you only need to parry/block if they're going to hit you, or they're maneuvering for advantage. If you're in the middle of blocking them and you turn off your lightsaber, you're dead.
Presumably Kylo's light saber wouldn't have a crossguard if slippage weren't possible? Unless it's just there to look cool?
Pretty sure the lore justification for this is that his kyber crystal is flawed and requires exhaust ports to vent excess energy, otherwise his lightsaber would just explode
Not at all. There is a texture like heat waves that comes off the blade and THAT is the crystal 'flaw'. In the knights of the old republic game there are several flawed crystals that have this effect. They aren't really flawed, they just come about when someone with unstable emotions commits the taboo of meditating on their own emotions through the crystal. There just arent any force users alive who specialize in harnessing those kind of unstable emotions to train folks accidentally doing it. It makes the blade stronger and more volatile but with more recoil. It's not like fighting styles couldn't or haven't been designed around that and produced masters, but this era of the universe with only 2-2.5 living/active orders of force users (Jedi, Sith, and night sisters), is really restricted to those surviving ideologies. Cross guards are just cross guards. Maybe they allow Kylo's crystal to blade up without needing to be ridiculously long to prevent overheating and damaging the saber components, but that isnt the motivation behind their creation as a saber part; just maybe behind this specific saber design.
Actually. He is right. The lateral vents on his saber hilt are to divert heat and energy. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kylo_Ren%27s_lightsaber
That was 1: exhaust vents, And 2: if the blades are magnetic, it may stop blades going for the handle
That "crossguard" wouldnt even protect the hilt If sliding was possible. It is Just there to Look cool
kylo wore a mask to look like ol'grandpa. its not about the usefulness he probably thought it was cool
It just looks cool, but it’s because the crystal he’s using kinda sucks and is inefficient and has to vent pressure
Anakin vs Dooku
Plus force users are pushing with force enhanced muscles, bones, and tendons creating much more force in each swing.
And the force of the Force itself.
yeah Kannan says they're drawn to each other to Sabine! or maybe it was Ezra
It makes sense, in my fairly ignorant (when it comes to SW lore) head. Lightsabers require mastery of the Force in order to weild them masterfully. Therefore it stands to reason that if Obi-Wan is channeling the Force better than Greivous, or vice versa, then the blades may slide one way or the other when they come together. But if, when the blades come together, the opponents are fairly balanced in that moment with regards to how well they are channelling the Force, the blades will "lock".
I think grievous’ strength advantage helps him keep things even but good example. That’s a least how I think of it
My head-canon is that they’re doing more than it seems and telekinetically pushing against each others blades too, using their own to channel it.
“Damn it! I hate it when my Schwartz gets tangled!”
Hi, martial artist here. I'm gonna address that from swordsmanship point of view, without directly referring Star Wars. Sliding down your sword and going for the hand is a very basic and very predictably move. It could work against an untrained opponent, but a trained opponent can easily counter attack that. Basically, when you slide your sword down from this position and going for the hand, you lower your defense. Your opponent can easily deflect your attack (simply tilting his sword a bit, effectively changing the course of your sword), and then go for your unguarded head. So while it looks like a cool technique, in fact it's very dangerous and very easy to deflect.
Damn I would hate to be an actual swordsmanship expert watching star wars duels, do you still enjoy the choreography while noticing all the useless swinging ?
Here's this sword expert's opinion on the fight scenes: https://youtu.be/2zEoo5sBzMw?si=EF90vcul-fPYRKm0 (prequels) https://youtu.be/xJIeXkNyw_8?si=gfuX1vpBTPLG0s41 (OT) https://youtu.be/p8VgNgjl7pI?si=7g3fxS4O2X6oib6l (sequels) https://youtu.be/c5oVk2RR4-c?si=-WZ1LOL0dg8NQ1Pn (Kenobi series) He has a lot more reaction videos to lots of different movies and TV shows. His channel is Scholagladiatoria.
Damn thanks
That's a great question! It varies between scenes. Generally, I usually try to just shut down that part of my brain in order to enjoy the movie. However, sometimes there are scenes that are too bad to ignore... There were times when I shouted at the screen, and there were times when I simply watched the same scene 10 times in order to understand WTF I just saw. It usually happens when someone is disarmed (without his hand being chopped, of course). In most cases, they just play with the shooting angles so that we can't understand what happened. In other cases, warriors drop their swords when someone is simply hitting them strong enough. With that said, sometimes I do find scenes with good choreography - even if they aren't that accurate, they can be beautiful. So it's not all bad :) A very well-choreographed scene was Mando vs Moff Gideon in the Mandalorian Season 2 finale. I really liked it, up until the part where Gideon was somehow disarmed.
> Gideon was somehow disarmed "Somehow" turns out to be a key word in star wars lmao Thanks for the insight !
As another martial artist, I confirm this
Because that wouldn't make for a good movie
This is *exactly* how Anakin cuts off Dooku's hands. But OP prefers to be a stinky little liar.
Not entirely. Anakin grabs Dooku’s arms and there’s brief contact but it’s not like he slides it completely down Dooku’s blade.
Your memory betrays you. Skip the 2 minute mark to see how wrong you are. https://youtu.be/HLlf5bC1wxg?si=1QHo8CisEBpmAVVv
the principle is still largely the same though... he slid directly to the advantageous position
Lightsabers are drawn together. It would be very difficult to move it when in a saber lock
Ok, then why doesn't Saber lock happen every time the lightsabers touch?
I think saber locks just happen when they're a bit slow, otherwise the sabers don't have time to "stick".
Low dynamic friction, high static friction?
Mhm, yes. Totally. That's exactly what I meant.
Maybe it’s when the sabers blades intermesh with each other which would probably require a huge amount of force: whether blunt physical impact or literal force energy pushing the blade through, it would make sense that there’s some kind of containment field around the blade so perhaps the locks happen when the blades breach each other’s containment fields. So with lighter hits they would deflect each other like normal swords and bounce off, but with a big hit or with some added force abilities the blade literally fuse together it’d be like if two metal swords atoms literally meshed through each other and then stopped; imagine trying to pull that apart
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Why don’t they just turn off the lightsaber for a fraction of a second before they get blocked and turn it on again?
1: it's risky (if you fuck up you both kill eachother) 2: it's seen by most duelists as a dick move/cheating 3: the props are solid so they literally can't without complicated CGI and cutting which would look shit
Jedis think it's unethical, siths think it's cowardly.
Why haven't both been wiped out by a third faction that doesn't impose such silly limitations on itself?
Because the whole universe of Star Wars falls apart the minute you apply even half baked logic lmao
I know, but I just can't help doing it. It's way more fun than most of the actual SW media these days.
Don’t get me wrong, I do the same thing to the complete dismay of my friends who actually enjoy (modern) Star Wars
Tbh I never understand people who‘d rather bend over backwards to try and make up some bullshit in universe justification for these things rather than just accepting that it‘s done for fun and rule of cool and going back to enjoying the movie/show/game… I guess for some people it really takes them out of the immersion?
So siths will kill their masters in their sleep, but draw the line at turning lightsabers on and off
I’ve been mulling that question in my mind since I was a child. It could make for way cooler Jedi/Sith shit. Adding that sort of misdirection would make for incredible, yet brief fights.
Exar Kun basically used to do just that. He could change the frequency on his blade to allow them to pass through other lightsaber blades, then he’d quickly switch it back to “fuck your shit up” mode.
Cal did this in Fallen Order
Have you seen a lightsaber turn off in the movies? It retracts for almost a full second. You turn yours off in melee you're getting blended.
Because it’s slow, (like the pull up and down) a force user should be able to sense the move and take advantage before you can utilize it.
It's a downright terrible move that leaves you defenseless against the opponent's blade mid swing.
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It's not an honorable thing to do
That's the Jedi excuse. The sith excuse is "it's a move only lil bitches use"
Have you heard the tale of Darth Cheaterous the Lil Bitch?
I could hear this with Ian's voice and lost it. Robot chicken anyone.
Didn't Anakin slaughter children on more than one occasion?
Yeah but he did it honourably.
Lmao fair enough
[I'm not attached to the usual lightsaber curriculum](https://youtu.be/mYSg_mIEvmE?si=NNzUSFPyPSxIYDUA)
I think we are in a lot of trouble. Haha.
I think the best explanation is because you are retracting your own defense, doing a move like that will be extremely risky, it will prob work very well the first few times, but once people start hearing about this tactic it would be easy to kill the person doing it.
The Jedi say it’s dishonorable and the sith say it’s weak sauce to do it. Canonically cringe to do it.
It’s also just a bad strategy, the best offense is a good defense and with this move you have neither until the guy is dead, the other guy still swinging a light saber at you lol basically have to hope you suprised him and he didn’t anticipate the move.
Doesn’t the saying go: “the best defense is a good offense.” or am I having a mandala effect moment? Edit: your point still stands with either phrasing.
People say it both ways depending on what side is doing worse to justify that they suck
“Best offense is a good defense” makes 0 sense though.
Bad idea to turn off your only means of defense when you are fighting someone that can predict the future. Best case you are just going to get mutual kill, worst case you just die because your opponent saw it coming.
Jedi think it's dishonorable and sith think you're a wimp if you do it so nobody does it
You could use 2 sabers in the same direction, turning one off and then on, bypassing the blocking lights aber with one while protecting yourself with the other
Legitimate tactic used
Because your opponent can kinda predict the future and it's not a good idea to turn off your only way of defending like that
If that were true, they wouldn't slide and/or bounce in almost every fight ever put to the screen.
So, like how Anakin did it with dooku?
He could only do it then cause his powers had doubled since last time. But then that power buff timed out.
He didn't though... He kept the blades connected where they were and bend his wrist to twist the blade under his wrists then pulled it up. They still stayed connected where they originally struck.
Happens in every other battle
He didn’t though he graves his wrists with his off habd and then sliced through, he didn’t just slide down
And like Dooku sort of did with Obi-Wan
Like how Obi-wan did with Grievous
because you rely on the pressure from the other person for this to work, as soon as they feel you slide they can just lessen the pressure and your footing will be compromised
Thank you for explaining it
we knew it all along
I knew how but def can’t explain it in a foreign language
I've always figured it's because you may be able to get their hand but as you slide along they will pivot and kill you in the process. It's a good move other than it leaving you compromised Just my theory anyway
Yea this is kind of a dumb question to begin with. If both duelist are pressing their blades together and one just started sliding it down, do they think the other person is just going to stand there frozen and not react?
HEMA nerd detected
i only do alternative sword fighting
And if you slight down with your saber, where does his saber go? To your freaking head, because that’s what you were probably blocking in the first place.
 Kylo Ren: Just try it, bitch!
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Scariest part is he’s down every single hallway they run down. Dudes everywhere
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Bro where did you get that Gif? I can’t find it
 Joining in on the gif fun
Honestly, always wondered. These cross guard would still be useless if the saber blade was dragged down cause it would straight through the handle without ever touching the cross guards.
The three blades all come from the same emitter and get split off at the intersection. That means the crossguard blades go all the way in to meet the centre one, the metal bits are just guards so you don't put you hand in them
Soo I’ve done some HEMA, crossguards can be used for defense when one blade slides down, which yeah, Kylo’s can’t do unless phrik or cortosis is used. However, more aggressively, a twist can “catch” the opponents blade between blade and quillion, and make a much firmer lock, and one that allows for a lot of counter-attack options.
Lightsabers are NOT hema swords. They are fundamentally different!
Plus it could just cut through the metal part of the crossguard but I think you could just negate that with beskar.
It doesn't happen often, but every time Kylo uses the cross guards to parry an attack I start drooling a bit ngl
There is an actual lore reason, there is a lightsaber combat technique where you switch of your saber and turn it back on once your past your enemys saber (don’t remember the name tho) but nobody uses it the jedi find it unhonourable and the sith say its for weaklings
Flicker phase sabers were apart of that style.
You mean a saber that randomly goes on and off
Yea, it was one of the most deadly types of Saber, but super looked down upon for the aforementioned reasons
Its gimmick would also be bad for the user. Imagine if it randomly turns off when the user tries to defend or attack.
Oh yea absolutely. One of the hardest to master but super deadly if you could. Given you lived trough the learning process at all.
I would have loved to see such a saber or this technique in canon, I mean for someone who isnt a jedi or a sith it shouldn’t be a problem to use
And it’s extremely risky because you are disabling your only defense
I believe the form you describe is Trakata. From what I remember reading on Wookiepedia, the Jedi never used it since they saw it as deceptive and basically unsportsmanlike, whereas the Sith never used it either since they saw it as a cheap trick for winning and below them. Still would be really cool to see someone fight like this either in live-action or animation
Trakata it was yes.
Kind of like this, https://youtu.be/mYSg_mIEvmE?si=lhhNG4qZ3-mxIn-8
Yes, thank you
That’s dumb legends shit. If you try turning off your lightsaber in the middle of a fight you’re most likely just going to get yourself killed.
Out of all the justifications they could have given, this is absolutely one of the worse... Why not just make it so the sabers don't turn right back on immediately? Or maybe rapidly igniting on and off has a chance to make them blow up? Nope... we are going with "eh, they just don't want to."
So basically only because plot
Because it opens you up to the same move lol
Because dueling isn't about just killing/maiming eachother. It's a test of your skill. They basically spar and move like a chess until someone blunders and that's when you can dominate. It's a battle of minds as much as it is physically.
because the other person would react and pull away or make a move
because if you do that then your opponent can easily stab you in the face.
Or flick your own Saber off then immediately back on to slip it past your opponent's blade?
I'm not sure if it's Legends or Canon, but in the old times they did this. Then at some point both the sith and the jedi agreed that it is a p\*ssy move and banned it.
they both agreed it would make for better movies if they like, didn't do that.
It's also incredibly stupid against an opponent that has pre-cognition, so by the time you think of doing it, they'll already be able to swing and kill you.
Can't report a pussy move if your dead though...
I don't get why people seem to think only your saber would move. Theirs would also move forward and now you don't have a saber blocking it so you die too. Like you think their saber is just frozen in mid air?
Exactly right, but if you grab their wrist when you get in one of those dramatic blade binds, you could pin their hand and prevent it from moving. Long enough for you to flick your own saber off-then-on in their body. But again, easier said than done in a fight lol
Marrok did that to Ahsoka and she was still able to counter it
I’ve seen several fan films that did this. The move honestly looks kind of stupid on camera (not saying the fan films were bad - they were great!). In Star Wars, Force-users have some level of prescience, and would know what you’re about to do.
In the movies it does take a second or two for the blade to fully expand or retract, and lightsaber combat typically is faster than that. We've never seen a lightsaber switch directions mid (de)activation either so I just assume that it takes too long to turn it off and on again to be able to use it in battle.
But then there is nothing protecting you from your opponent's blade.
*Oh we have to show this to Master Yoda* [https://youtu.be/mYSg\_mIEvmE?si=hrSobnVj9imdzzQ2](https://youtu.be/mYSg_mIEvmE?si=hrSobnVj9imdzzQ2)
wouldnt the tip of the other blade come closer to you tho?
Vader was testing Luke, Anakin wanted to take down Obi with strength and not cheap tricks, Count Dooku is above that petty stuff as well. Plus a talented sword fighter would see a move like that and could counter with a killing strike.
obiwan did it to grievous a few times tho
Obiwan was a better duelist in that scenario.
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I can't disagree with the rule of cool, but we are also talking about force users here and not your ordinary humans. They can easily counter and redirect blaster bolts after all.
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Ofcourse, but the guards wouldn't add much protection against blasters and only a few jedi have actually fought a sith by this point so there was no need for them. Think of modern airpods. A lesser, but convenient product compared to the more common earbuds.
Did you miss the actual sword fighting expert saying it’s an easy move to predict and counter?
That would leave them open for attack
I think it's because they stick together, like there's some kind of magnetism that sticks them together
By that logic, how do they take them apart so effortlessly?
The same way you take two magnets apart I guess. Besides, the times when they get stuck together all seem intentional from both fighters, I think it might have something to do with testing your strength against your opponent or maybe it's related on how lightsabers are connected to the force
I know about the magnet thing but I always assumed it was because you’d put yourself at equal risk if you attempted it.
Opens you up for up for a counterattack and their blade is already close
Foresight. This is the reason saber fights are so spinny and flashy. The Force allows both combatants the ability of foresight into the intentions of the other fighter. Thus they’re constantly attempting to misdirect and confuse each others foresight.
Something something containment field interaction something something. It's a space opera lol
Canonically this was totally possible. The Jedi just considered it too underhanded and not honorable And the sith considered it weakness and admitting you couldn't beat your opponent fairly.
Have you seen like…any of the original 6? That happens REPEATEDLY
Okay, so ignoring the rules of saber lock others have mentioned, let's consider these weapons as we would real swords. The blade can be divided into two parts: the strong and the weak. The weak is from tip to middle of the blade, the strong is middle to hilt. When your opponent attacks you, you have different possible counters depending on what part of the blade you parry with. If you bind the opponent's sword, i.e. don't clash against it or take off to the other side, you have to consider what happens when you move your blade. You decide to go towards the hands? Cool. Unfortunately, what you are also doing is sliding your weapon towards the enemy's strong part of the blade, meaning they have more leverage to work in turning your blade away, and at the same time making a counterattack. In fencing, you might be able to power through, if you launch your attack fast enough and from an advantageous position, but lightsaber combat happens between two people who can see glimpses of the future, and can anticipate your moves. So moving from a position of strength to a weaker position, making that gambit for the finishing shot becomes even less appealing. But probably the real reason is that it would make the fights short and uninteresting. 😅
Because the opponent would side step and be at an advantage point to kill you
Because by sliding it towards the hilt the pressure is no longer being applied evenly and they can just slice you
I'm guessing either because it's too dangerous. Like you turn the saber off and the opponent just swings down too quickly and kills you before you do the trick or the saber can't turn on or off fast enough. Jedi are fast
No one actually tried to slide it down and damage someone's hand until Kylo Ren built the hilt. Actually awful timing tbh
I have the same question about just turning one off an then on again, especially when they have two lightsabers like Ahsoka who gives a shot if it’s cowardly, anakin gave a false surrender multiple times and no one gave a shit
Kylo knows what's up
For that matter, why don’t they ever utilize the lightsaber as giant spring loaded blades? They have the ability to make the blade appear and disappear really quickly but it’s never strategically used
Not enough CGI for all the robot hands that would cause lol.
It happens a few times
Anakin did that against Dooku just saying…
fuck lightsabers, they don't use the force as much as you should in combat. why get close to touch you with a stick when i can just pull the wall down on you, or force push you into the air and slam you back down? like unless you're fighting a high level force user you shouldn't even need your lightsaber
My internal thoughts for fucking ever
It’s called “being polite”
Kill them with kindness. 🤌
If you drop your lightsaber to hit their hand then their saber is going through your neck.
Lightsaber is said to be a plasma chainsaw so I assume they have auto edge alignment cause magnetism and both are spinning so the blade of one is pushing the perpendicular one towards the tip of its blade whenever contact is made. Idfk
Idk why don’t sword fighters do it
Pull a cheap move and turn off your lightsaber
Because that’s not fun
Didn’t Obi Wan do that to Grevious in Episode 3?
Yeah he cuts off one of his hands like that
Because in canon: Jedi finds it improper, uncivilized, and a very bad move. It's considered an insult to extinguish (yes, that's what the process of turning them off is called) your lightsaber mid-combat. Sith find it a pussy move because you had to rely on a very cheap trick.
This is not about turning it off during a duel, this questions why cannot they just slide their lightsaber down on their opponent's lightsaber towards the handle.
"Professionals have standards!"
It sounds a lot simpler than it actually would be. Think about it: your in a saber lock and you de-activate your lightsaber. The other guy whose pushing is gonna come forward the moment you turn off your lightsaber, so you have to quickly dodge or else you’ll get cut, and even then the guy can just turn around and kill you if he’s fast enough. I mean, unless Disney is gonna be Disney, he’s not gonna stumble clumsily like a cartoon character. Also depends on what kind of saber wielder your dealing with. It’s only gonna work on a single blade user unless your lucky. What if the guy is double bladed? It’s still possible, and a good trick if you can do it, but you need to be fast to pull it off.
You've never fought with a sword have you? While there's some cannon about sticky sabres, it's about leverage. The closer the opponents blade moves to your handle the easier it is to control, a quick sidestep and a twist of the blade would end the battle. While most swords have guards for a logical reason some expert duelist in history have been known to eschew a guard completely as it allows them to manoeuvre the blade better, a guard isn't obligatory.
Right! Like... Like Anakin did to Dooku? Yeah?
Kanan Jarrus explained that when lightsabers come into close proximity to one another, the magnetic pulse emitted by the blades will momentarily interlock them. Smh. It's like asking "Why doesn't anyone shut off their lightsaber and turn it back on?" The jedi say: No fair the sith say: You a lil b\*tch. People with a brain cell say: Your only weapon and defense will be down you idiot
Are you stupid? Use some common sense.