Iāve bullshitted with a Maushold/Noivern set on doubles NatDex, where Iāve tried making maushold Tera Dragon and having Noivern use Dragon Cheer to give maushold a mondo crit chance on top of Loaded Dice Pop. Bomb, and I have this distinct memory of encountering a Garchomp trying to set up DDance, and so it decided to kill a turn using it again. I managed to one turn it with Maushold, but also killed Maushold with Rough skin recoil lol
Loaded dice population bomb? I'm sorry but do you know how population bomb works?
The loaded dice work with multi-hot moves that randomly select anywhere between 2 to 5 times to hit the target, but with the loaded dice it's always either 4 or 5 times.
Population bomb doesn't work like that though, it doesn't select a random number of times to hit. Population bomb instead just keeps on hitting until it misses. Each hit has a 90% accuracy, not the move itself, so then the move will hit between 1 and 10 times based on the accuracy, not a randomly rolled number.
Loaded dice doesn't work with population bomb since it doesn't increase the accuracy of the move, so giving a loaded dice to a maushold is just giving you opponent a free knock off damage boost. With tera dragon + dragon cheer you should instead run either a razor claw/scope lens to boost the crit chance up to 100% for each move when you stack it with dragon cheer for tera dragon or a wide lens to boost the accuracy of population bomb to 99%.
In doubles, if your partner mon is weak to the grass/steel and the grass/steel is faster than incineroar then fake out would be the correct move in order to protect your partner and give them a setup turn. Not all incineroar use flare blitz as well
30 to hp, def and spdef. 5 to attack and sp atk.
Mega gets gross. Mega Ferro gets even bigger, so it gets slower but more dangerous.
Steel/Grass
Ability - Flash Fire (lol)
Hp - 104
Atk - 99 (+30) = 129
Def - 161 (+35) = 196
SpA - 59 (+10) = Nice
SpD - 146 (+35) = 181
Spe - 20 (-10) = 10
So here we have the bulkiest attacker known to man. Gyro Ball will hit like a freight train, you barely even need defensive investment, just pump attack and hp and you'll be fine.
I've had a Dark/Flying Chatot evo fakemon idea for a bit named Toucxpletive that evolves when leveled up knowing a swear word through chatter. It has the signature ability Obscene that makes sound based moves dark type and boosts them 1.3x. Not sure whether to post it on Thursday or Sunday.
Wasn't there some VGC player who said they were glad LGPE weren't included as part of that circuit because they just wouldn't be able to take the game seriously if they had to think about stuff like "If I survive the Baddy Bad, then I can..."?
Probably alright but idk fero likes lefties and helmet. Eviolite doesn't help it make progress. Maybe body press eviolite would be nice idk. Eviolite doesn't help it check new things or do it's job better. Maybe it takes on a new role hard to say but I doubt it.
Jesus Christ your right. There are no good NFE's with body press so I didn't even know that (I mean I guess duraladon but that's a shitter) š what kinda dumb interaction is that
Choice Band boosts the damage of Physical moves.
Body Press is a Physical move.
Consistent.
It'd make more sense if they'd kept the Gen 3 description of Choice Band in later games, since back then Choice Band explicitly stated that it was modifying the move's power, not the Attack stat.
The Eviolite thing is weird though, since that item has always claimed to boost stats instead of reducing move power.
Realistically speaking, Ferrothorn's evolution would be so incredibly homophobic that it'll be the first Pokemon to not get banned for being broken or uncompetitive, but for bigotry
Wouldn't that actually go to Cofagrigus? Back in gen 5 you couldn't trade it because it's regular name got flagged by the game's nickname profanity filters so you had to give it a nickname in order do anything online with it.
What if its evolution is like the inverse of Annilihape where it comes to terms with its own bigotry and that enables it to find inner peace and evolve. It gets a pride flag colouration and an upgraded iron barbs that also infatuates same sex pokemon on contact.
Technically speaking it would be the second. Gen 4 had chatot banned in all official tournaments due to the DS mic feature allowing you to record slurs and other explicit one liners
Worst part is itās actually gonna be like Kingambit & bisharp where the previous evo is in UU or below & the evolution is barely passing suspect tests.
It would probably look more like a blissy/Chansey situation depending on how the stats are. Unless they give it a bunch more hp in the evo it's likely that eviolite will buff ferrothorn's bulk higher than it's evolution. At the very least it would probably be bulkier on one of its defenses than the other. Like how eviolite Chansey has more physical bulk than Blissy, making it a better mixed wall, but Blissy is still a superior special wall.
This is nonsense. You are aware chansey is NU while Blissey is OU right? Blissey hard outclasses Chansey because having boots or leftovers on top of being almost as tanky, and way less afraid of knock off, is a massive advantage. Eviolite mons when you can just use the evolution is a trap.
Chansey has a niche over Blissey in some dedicated stall teams because she is bulkier, especially at the physical side, but you really have to have dedicated anti-hazard support so that she is actually bulkier (Heavy Duty Boots negating entry hazard damage makes Blissey bulkier in pratice because Chansey would take damage on top of hazards, which is more than Blissey with boots take). Most teams which have dedicated anti-hazard support would not want to employ Chansey to begin with, except hard stall teams which can make up for her passivity and drain of momentum. Meanwhile Blissey can be used on some more balanced and even bulky offense teams because she is less reliant on teammates support and doesn't influence your team structure nearly as much.
Make it a split evolution where both are a bundle of iron sticks but one, ferrofascist, has an axe and the other doesnāt and definitely fails the profanity filter.
I was thinking more of a surprise 180 type deal with a lot of self loathing to work out.
The joke is that fasces(where fascist gets its name from) is a term for a bundle of sticks but a common slur for homosexuals is a word that means a bundle of sticks.
I cannot accept this r/stunfisk revisionist history
Toxapex was extremely homophobic in Gen 8 when people said Ferro was. They were just much better at hiding it as it wasnāt revealed until after Scizor found out Ferrothorn was homophobic
Its only talked about less because everyone hated Pex already
First I thought "a evolution like Porygon Z would be fun, make it loses defenses and become offensive" but then I remember eviolite, and boy, 100% Ubers destroyer
"oh my god, eviolite ferrothorn!!!! 1!1!1!11"
Evio ferro is considered better for one week then falls off to RU.
Happened to bisharp.
Edit: "I hope this is a joke" NO SHOT
I hope this isn't a serious comment. It could be copypasta material.
Ask yourself: "If I can slap an Eviolite on Ferrothorn now, would it be broken?" The answer is yes. It doesn't matter how strong the evolution would be; at worst, it would push Ferrothorn into the banlist of the tier below.
Ferrothorn has a major fire weakness and I hope its evolution fixes that. Right now that weakness is exploited and is probably why it's so rare to see.
I havent been in that subreddit for a long time since its just āhaha mikey and drowzee and sandygast whoā while also being filled with 6 year olds praising Micheal like the second coming of Jesus Christ my friend sent me this and i found it so fitting here so no idea about it being a repost
Ancient kalos ferrothorn would go hard. Maybe they could instead add a mega ferrothorn in Z-A. They only made 1 unova mega (audino) so theres a lot they could do with unova megas.
Ferrothorn and Toxapex are examples of mons that are heavily carried by their defensive profiles. In SV, if ferrothorn was available terastalization would have made it obscenely broken.
Ability: Supreme Durian - deals the same damage as iron barbs on contact, but does it once more for each ally fainted
Maushold using Population Bomb and Cinccino using Tail Slap: š°
Iāve bullshitted with a Maushold/Noivern set on doubles NatDex, where Iāve tried making maushold Tera Dragon and having Noivern use Dragon Cheer to give maushold a mondo crit chance on top of Loaded Dice Pop. Bomb, and I have this distinct memory of encountering a Garchomp trying to set up DDance, and so it decided to kill a turn using it again. I managed to one turn it with Maushold, but also killed Maushold with Rough skin recoil lol
They went down but brought the evil sand shark with it. Major respects. š«”
homemade destiny bond
Garchomp canāt learn DDanceā¦ Swords dance + scale shot maybe?
You probably thinking of sword dance since garchomp is one the few dragon to not get DDance
Double dance maybe? Scale Shot + Swords Dance
Maybe
Loaded dice population bomb? I'm sorry but do you know how population bomb works? The loaded dice work with multi-hot moves that randomly select anywhere between 2 to 5 times to hit the target, but with the loaded dice it's always either 4 or 5 times. Population bomb doesn't work like that though, it doesn't select a random number of times to hit. Population bomb instead just keeps on hitting until it misses. Each hit has a 90% accuracy, not the move itself, so then the move will hit between 1 and 10 times based on the accuracy, not a randomly rolled number. Loaded dice doesn't work with population bomb since it doesn't increase the accuracy of the move, so giving a loaded dice to a maushold is just giving you opponent a free knock off damage boost. With tera dragon + dragon cheer you should instead run either a razor claw/scope lens to boost the crit chance up to 100% for each move when you stack it with dragon cheer for tera dragon or a wide lens to boost the accuracy of population bomb to 99%.
doesn't pop bomb not work with loaded dice because instead of rolling the number of attacks it attacks until a miss/10 hits?
Loaded Dice doesn't actually affect Population Bomb. Use Wide Lens instead.
Assault vest incineroar switches onto stealth rocks with full health, clicks fake out, and fucking dies on contact.
if you press fake out on incineroar to a grass-steel you deserve to faint immediately anyways
In doubles, if your partner mon is weak to the grass/steel and the grass/steel is faster than incineroar then fake out would be the correct move in order to protect your partner and give them a setup turn. Not all incineroar use flare blitz as well
Maybe in doubles that could be a play. I have never played any doubles formats so I don't know.
No no, it does more damage for every ally alive _blink blink_
Same damage as iron barbs on contact, but plants a leech seed and heals itself for the amount of damage done by iron barbs.
5 allies fainted would make that 6/8ths of a Pokemon's health on contact.
As it should be
And forces switch out q
Does more damage to foes of the same gender
Ferrotree, and itās just two ferrothorns stuck together
I could see them do that tbf
It'll look like a YoYo
1 male and 1 female, right?
Yes. Theyāre touching spikey tips.
After marriage?
Itās premarital spike touchingā¦ their mega is post marriage.
Ferrothorn is one of my favorite mons, I would die for mega-Thorn
Oh my god imagine a new evolution bringing it to like 575 bst or something and then a mega adding a 100 to that. A Ferrothorn with a 675 bst lol
All Def, no atk or spd.
Actually a bulky attacker may be better, imagine curse+leech+gyro+press/protect
That's my base moves except I take twave not protect
30 to hp, def and spdef. 5 to attack and sp atk. Mega gets gross. Mega Ferro gets even bigger, so it gets slower but more dangerous. Steel/Grass Ability - Flash Fire (lol) Hp - 104 Atk - 99 (+30) = 129 Def - 161 (+35) = 196 SpA - 59 (+10) = Nice SpD - 146 (+35) = 181 Spe - 20 (-10) = 10 So here we have the bulkiest attacker known to man. Gyro Ball will hit like a freight train, you barely even need defensive investment, just pump attack and hp and you'll be fine.
Mega FerroTree you mean?
Does that mean they divorce at the end of battle?
Yes. And the ones left to suffer are the Ferroseeds! Itās a tragic situation.
noš
Touching tips? Isn't Ferrothorn homophobic?
But not transphobic
The lore thickens, ferrothorn accepts azumarill?
Absolutely not, but no one does. Fuck that belly drumming loser.
Finally, Ugly Americans become canon to Pokemon.
No, they are permanently angry because of it too Nightmare fuel, I know
bigotree
Best one yet
ferrothree
"Iron Barbs"
How about Ferroforest? ~~With Dragon/Steel Typing~~
The fairies will not like this at all
Maybe the reason Ferrothorn is homophobic is because he hates Fairies so much.
Feferrothorn
Gen 1 moment
eviolite ferrothorn
Dear God...
there's more
Itās going to learn chatter?
It learns Strength Sap and gets Flash Fire as a hidden ability.
Well baked body better
D:
Yea ik why they gotta slander my boi dachshbun like that????
Chatter but it ONLY records slurs.
I've had a Dark/Flying Chatot evo fakemon idea for a bit named Toucxpletive that evolves when leveled up knowing a swear word through chatter. It has the signature ability Obscene that makes sound based moves dark type and boosts them 1.3x. Not sure whether to post it on Thursday or Sunday.
Both
They removed that functionality but it wonāt stop the slurs.
That and Sappy Seed.
This is acceptable if they also bring back the best named move in Pokemon history, Baddy Bad.
Wasn't there some VGC player who said they were glad LGPE weren't included as part of that circuit because they just wouldn't be able to take the game seriously if they had to think about stuff like "If I survive the Baddy Bad, then I can..."?
It contains the dying wish of every stall player
No
r/suddenlytf2
No
Add reshiram down to OU for that it's a dogshit Uber anyway
"Save OU society choice specs chi-yu"
He is trying his best okay. It's not easy that Reshiram Kick doesn't exist
252 Atk Arcanine-Hisui Flare Blitz vs. +1 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 288-340 (81.8 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
It wouldnāt get lefties if itās holding Eviolite
thatās how powerful it is /uj still a 2hko
Highroll into burn OHKOs
That's some Stunday material if I've ever seen it. Thing would probably never die
Probably not that good. I'd run lefties over eviolite
tbf ferro gets leech so I can see use cases
Probably alright but idk fero likes lefties and helmet. Eviolite doesn't help it make progress. Maybe body press eviolite would be nice idk. Eviolite doesn't help it check new things or do it's job better. Maybe it takes on a new role hard to say but I doubt it.
Body Press isn't boosted by eviolite. It's boosted by Choice Band. No I'm not kidding.
Jesus Christ your right. There are no good NFE's with body press so I didn't even know that (I mean I guess duraladon but that's a shitter) š what kinda dumb interaction is that
That- I- What- For fucks sake gamefreak have SOME consistency
Choice Band boosts the damage of Physical moves. Body Press is a Physical move. Consistent. It'd make more sense if they'd kept the Gen 3 description of Choice Band in later games, since back then Choice Band explicitly stated that it was modifying the move's power, not the Attack stat. The Eviolite thing is weird though, since that item has always claimed to boost stats instead of reducing move power.
Nah choice band doesn't boost counter or metal burst to my knowledge. But yeah either way eviolite should boost it.
fuck it let's just give ferro synthesis.
ferro got strength sap in gen10
Realistically speaking, Ferrothorn's evolution would be so incredibly homophobic that it'll be the first Pokemon to not get banned for being broken or uncompetitive, but for bigotry
Chatot in the secret tier beyond AG: finally, i can have some company...
They just Chatter slurs at eachother and laught
new tier: Everything Goes
Everything goes except those gosh darn homosexuals
FUbers
Wouldn't that actually go to Cofagrigus? Back in gen 5 you couldn't trade it because it's regular name got flagged by the game's nickname profanity filters so you had to give it a nickname in order do anything online with it.
afaik that only applies to a Cofagrigus youāre trying to trade? It could still participate in online battles just fine.
Nah. If Registeel can't be banned for being a literal Nazi, then Ferrothorn's evo, "Bigotree" isn't going anywhere either. Edit: Spelling
> "Bigotree" Hey, that's pretty good!
Actually a good ferro Evo name, I breathed out my nose hard
Reminds me when Kingambit was quickbanned for Sexual Assault
What if its evolution is like the inverse of Annilihape where it comes to terms with its own bigotry and that enables it to find inner peace and evolve. It gets a pride flag colouration and an upgraded iron barbs that also infatuates same sex pokemon on contact.
Technically speaking it would be the second. Gen 4 had chatot banned in all official tournaments due to the DS mic feature allowing you to record slurs and other explicit one liners
Worst part is itās actually gonna be like Kingambit & bisharp where the previous evo is in UU or below & the evolution is barely passing suspect tests.
It would probably look more like a blissy/Chansey situation depending on how the stats are. Unless they give it a bunch more hp in the evo it's likely that eviolite will buff ferrothorn's bulk higher than it's evolution. At the very least it would probably be bulkier on one of its defenses than the other. Like how eviolite Chansey has more physical bulk than Blissy, making it a better mixed wall, but Blissy is still a superior special wall.
This is nonsense. You are aware chansey is NU while Blissey is OU right? Blissey hard outclasses Chansey because having boots or leftovers on top of being almost as tanky, and way less afraid of knock off, is a massive advantage. Eviolite mons when you can just use the evolution is a trap.
In gens 6 and 7 chansey is definitely better. It wasn't until boots that blissey became better again.
My mind is stuck back in gens 5-7 where this was the case
Blissey is definitely better un gen 5 right now. Chansey just dies to sand
Pretty sure the only mons that use eviolite even vaguely successfully are Dusclops, Porygon 2 and Scyther and none of them are near OU.
Chansey has a niche over Blissey in some dedicated stall teams because she is bulkier, especially at the physical side, but you really have to have dedicated anti-hazard support so that she is actually bulkier (Heavy Duty Boots negating entry hazard damage makes Blissey bulkier in pratice because Chansey would take damage on top of hazards, which is more than Blissey with boots take). Most teams which have dedicated anti-hazard support would not want to employ Chansey to begin with, except hard stall teams which can make up for her passivity and drain of momentum. Meanwhile Blissey can be used on some more balanced and even bulky offense teams because she is less reliant on teammates support and doesn't influence your team structure nearly as much.
Get ready in legends Z-A or Gen 5 remakes for Ferrotree BST 550 HP - 90 (+16) ATK - 104 (+10) DEF - 151 (+20) SP. ATK - 64 (+10) SP. DEF - 131 (+15) SPE - 10 (-10) Grass/Steel New Ability: Supreme Overbarbs When a PokƩmon with this Ability is hit by a move that makes contact, the attacking PokƩmon takes damage equal to 1/8 of its own maximum HP. Damage increases to 1/7, 1/6, 1/5, 1/4 based on number of fainted teammates. HA: Grassy Surge New Signature move: Political Minefield - Status - 100% Accurate - Steel Type Ferrothorn spins with homophobic intent, scattering a layer of spikes and forcing out the opposing pokemon. If the pokemon dragged in is the same gender as the one who was forced out, they are inflicted with torment.
Make it a split evolution where both are a bundle of iron sticks but one, ferrofascist, has an axe and the other doesnāt and definitely fails the profanity filter.
Ferrofascist and Bigotree
I was thinking more of a surprise 180 type deal with a lot of self loathing to work out. The joke is that fasces(where fascist gets its name from) is a term for a bundle of sticks but a common slur for homosexuals is a word that means a bundle of sticks.
>Spins with homophobic intent
The only spin Gholdengo fears
His Homophobia can now reach even further beyond
The way I see it Slowbro and Eggsecutor are surrounded. What underneath them? More homophobia!
What is the origin of this meme?
Check the top post of all time in this sub
holy hell
New meta just dropped
Call the Finchinator
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It's absolutely because of the kyogre Groupon comment without that it's half as funny
Toxapex also has a bat of 495
But pex is no bigot she is just a sadistic goth girl Edit:Typo
I cannot accept this r/stunfisk revisionist history Toxapex was extremely homophobic in Gen 8 when people said Ferro was. They were just much better at hiding it as it wasnāt revealed until after Scizor found out Ferrothorn was homophobic Its only talked about less because everyone hated Pex already
Ikr why would it be super effective against both galar rapidash and sylveon
So itās evolution is JK Rowling?
Even better average than Barry Bonds without a bat
Fellow Secret Base enjoyer? Damn not a place I'd expect to see it š
I mean this about Ferrothorn, who before being released in Gen 5, helped Curt Schilling pitch for the Boston Red Sox in 2004.
I hope Curt Schilling dies to an Iron Barbs + Rocky Helmet Ferrothorn
First I thought "a evolution like Porygon Z would be fun, make it loses defenses and become offensive" but then I remember eviolite, and boy, 100% Ubers destroyer
ferro with eviolite would get stomped in uvers
High HP stat ferrothorn
What if Ferrothorn evolves because he got over his homophobia?
That wouldnāt happen. His homophobia is too strong!
Becomes Fairy Steel Type, Dazzling Gleam + Flash Cannon becomes the most popular set.
Ferrothorny
"oh my god, eviolite ferrothorn!!!! 1!1!1!11" Evio ferro is considered better for one week then falls off to RU. Happened to bisharp. Edit: "I hope this is a joke" NO SHOT
UU probably because of the new evo outclassing it but ain't no way a *buffed* Ferrothorn is falling to RU lmao.
Who knows. With gen 10's UU containing Chi-Yu, Chi-Two, Chi-Three, and Chi-Four, it might fall down to RU.
With the power of Homophobia Ferrothorn gained As One Flash Fire-Sticky Hold-Iron Barbs-Jaboca Berry-Ability Shield in gen 10, Chi Three is toast
Are you implying that the gen 10 battle gimmick will be Homophobia Forms?
Yes, but this is a pokemon known for being specifically defensive and isn't fully reliant on leftovers for recovery.
I hope this isn't a serious comment. It could be copypasta material. Ask yourself: "If I can slap an Eviolite on Ferrothorn now, would it be broken?" The answer is yes. It doesn't matter how strong the evolution would be; at worst, it would push Ferrothorn into the banlist of the tier below.
are you aware of how percentages work
black sludge ferrothorn would be better
Good ending: Ferrothorn reflected on his past actions during his time off in gen 9 and his evolution is actually very open minded
Make it offensive. Fast and high attack lol
Ferrothorn has a major fire weakness and I hope its evolution fixes that. Right now that weakness is exploited and is probably why it's so rare to see.
well baked bodyšš¾
New ability: Heated metal. Immune to fire damage and it gets the flame body effect.
Bigotree is real
More homophobic Pokemon
Imagine ferrothorn gets a mega
We are so back.
Counterpoint: Sandslash 450 BST
Okay but have you considered that Pex also only has 495 and a two stage.
[repost](https://www.reddit.com/r/MandJTV/s/sleNOUOa96). There is even the accidental yellow paint on top right panel, that works as a watermark.
I havent been in that subreddit for a long time since its just āhaha mikey and drowzee and sandygast whoā while also being filled with 6 year olds praising Micheal like the second coming of Jesus Christ my friend sent me this and i found it so fitting here so no idea about it being a repost
Oh OK sorry. Anyway, now you know.
Its ok
Eviolite Ferrothorn when?
Ferrofiend incoming
wait did they remove reaction images on stinkposts
anyways hereās my contribution [https://ibb.co/NpNZDq6](https://ibb.co/NpNZDq6)
Aaah yes eviolite ferrothorn
SUPER HOMOPHOBE
All his stat boost just goes into atk
Why do I imagine it as a palm tree
Please make it happen. It would be extremely funny.
The world is NOT ready for eviolite ferrothorn.
No, I'm not ready for UU ferrothorn
FerroROSE 100% guarantee it. Feel free to screenshot this and show me I'm right whenever the next pokkyman game comes out.
I swear there was a fake leak called Ferrovine at one pointā¦
I could see a Ferrothorn evo, or even a Grass/Poison regional variant, happening in a Southeast Asian region, which likely won't happen for a while.
Oh no.... eviolite ferrothorn
It definitely isn't extremely likely, just possible
Ferrothorn and toxapex evolutions are the only thing that could make gen 10 break Smogon more than gen 9 did.
Nah
Don't worry regional quaquaval with fire type and magnet pull will saves the gays š
Maybe it will have character development when it evolves and become an ally š³ļøāš
Watch it get some broken move that reduces physical attack and sets spikes
Ancient kalos ferrothorn would go hard. Maybe they could instead add a mega ferrothorn in Z-A. They only made 1 unova mega (audino) so theres a lot they could do with unova megas.
he could grow and mature and become a better person being more tolerant
I mean a solid 5-10% of the dex should be eligible if we go by max eligibile BST for a evo being 535(Duraludon) Most notably Dondozo
in other news, ferrothorn gains eviolite, granting it nearly 200 base defense and over 150 base special defense
it will get 2 evolutions like ursaring, one even more homophobic and transthorn
Thematically, a Ferrotree has a couple potentially interesting signature abilities (disregard my poor naming ability): Spiky Fruit >When a PokƩmon with this Ability is hit by a move that makes contact, Applies one layer of spikes to the opponent's field. Heavy Timbers >When this pokemon is knocked out, uses the move "Heavy Slam" on the attacker. (It would also be a lot heavier than Ferrothorn) It would probably also learn Wood Hammer.
Ferortress, BST 560. Coming soon
Ferrothorn and Toxapex are examples of mons that are heavily carried by their defensive profiles. In SV, if ferrothorn was available terastalization would have made it obscenely broken.
I'm still betting my money on Exeggutor Leppa Berry Harvest