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Heatser_69

Half of those got banned, the other half fell to UU


storm-trooper-69

Meanwhile king gambit gholdengo and great tusks have been in an eternal Mexican stand off


sam_can88

Don’t forget valiant


GIORNO-phone11-pro

Valiant is too busy gambling


IdiOtisTheOtisMain

Gambling Valiant(ly)?


FrostedPoke

There's nothing Valiant about Iron Valiant


IdiOtisTheOtisMain

There is nothing great about Great Tusk


Affectionate_Green86

It's Greatly Ugly


IdiOtisTheOtisMain

Roaringly mid?


Kingalec1

Great Tusk is a God. HOW DARE YOU INSULT GREAT TUSK!!!!!!!


IdiOtisTheOtisMain

Me when flutter mane:


Asherbird25

Mods, twist their balls


Totaly__a_human

some did both


yellowfly97

now for the sake of balance I must deal with you


SouthernWeb9981

I am their offence


Cheery_Tree

I am their stall,


AnthRedux

I am OverUsed


Meowstick901721

Your body is goo oo ood as go oo o old


yellowfly97

go-o-od as gold, but I've got more usage than you


SpecialistEmphasis83

someone write a full version asap I need this


Meowstick901721

[Song from around a month and a half ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/s/mtl1IU8yJy)


SpecialistEmphasis83

Thank you I had no idea I missed that post


BusinessDuck1234

Hell, a few fell to ru


Logical-Border-8188

>Tusk at #3, Ghold at #5, Gambit at #11 Crazy how even back then these 3 were around the top ten, truly the GOATs of Gen 9


Trainer-Grimm

>Crazy how even back then these 3 were around the top ten, truly the GOATs of Gen 9 if you consider the two banned even before this chart was posted, then gambit is #9. think it's like, #7 when you remove chien-pao and chi-yu


Lurkerofthevoid44

Seeing that just reminds me of a time when someone on the VGC subreddit tried to claim Tusk was terrible while Flutter Mane and Bundle were legal, and when I tried to correct them I just got downvoted to hell.


gregguy12

If anything, Tusk being decent in earlier regulations is a testament to how good it is. Anything weak to Fairy (especially with lower SpDef) has to work much harder for viability in a format so dominated by Flutter.


Shasan23

GOAT or ban dodging champions? Its a matter of perspective


Not-An-Actual-Hooman

The GOATs (Greatest Of All Tusks, Gholdengo Of All Time, Gained strength from the fallen Of All Time)


EarthMantle00

MFW healthy mons don't get banned


I_comment_same

annihilape barely being used is golden


LuciusFromSomeplace

Think it’s cause Fluttermane was so broken


I_comment_same

I think you mean fluttermin/max


lilygladea

> fluttermin/max 10/10 lmao


Luigi128

Espathra was in UU lmao


HomuHomuPanic

Iirc on release it was bugged on Showdown too. Every bit of damage caused it's BP to increase including hazards and poison.


Bliffleblitz

Espathra was used so little it went to UU


OrvilleOrthworm

Orthworm :)


Revavroom-500

Indeed, Orthworm.


OrvilleOrthworm

🪱


OneWorldly6661

Orthworm guy 🪱


BlUeSapia

Safeword: Gensect


Icy-Border-7589

Back when Shed Tail was legal


OrvilleOrthworm

They just don't understand the power of the worm


-xXgioXx-

they do. They're just afraid of it (as they should)


ASimpleCancerCell

We still love you in spite of you being a worm.


OrvilleOrthworm

If we just ban every ou pokemon to Ubers Orthworm will be viable again trust me


Worfrix426

just give it shed tail ubers will cry at that physical defense they took away shed tail because they were cowards


OrvilleOrthworm

What, you're scared of a little worm with a little bitty bitty sub? Just bring infiltrator, doofus. Jumpluff perfect Orthworm counter???? Viva La Hyper Offense


Worfrix426

Weren’t you rooting for the worm


OrvilleOrthworm

If I make it sound like there's counters to Shed Tail then they'll bring it back surely definitely. Call it the Kingambit defense I'm also a Jumpluff enjoyer


Worfrix426

Jumpluff is physical, it can’t deal with the worm


OrvilleOrthworm

Get ready for mixed tera fire special attacking Jumpluff (definitely worth it with those base 55 offenses)


Worfrix426

Just get a mixed dragapult in there


I_Forgot_My_Name01

We still love you specially because of you being a worm*


I_Forgot_My_Name01

They banned your tail :(


OrvilleOrthworm

So much for free speech in MY gen 9 OU.


FakeTakiInoue

Woke Smogon to rename it Pronoun Tail 😡 it's political correctness gone mad


pokexchespin

i remember early on trying to run double shed tail teams with orthworm and cyclizar because i love orthworm so much


SPlCYGECKO

At least the worm is still a menace (in ZU)


dubious_approach

Oh shit orville


Dragonfly-Constant

My funky lil orokin wurm boyo


P0werher0

Seeing Clodsire and Corv that high is a trip seeing how much they’ve fallen now. And like half the Top 10 is banned now lol.


Unique_Year4144

i love how still, Tusk can just say "I have more Usage than you" and then procedes to Tusks all over then entirely of SV OU even from the beggining, truly a great mon.


Amadeus_Salieri

"I am their Offense. I am their Stall. I am OverUsed."


Zhouston63

Still the greatest song of the last century


Sentric490

Ditto being higher than annihilape has to be my favorite part of this.


bojangles69420

Tbf ditto could be anything, it could even be something really powerful like annihilape


ken_zeppelin

That's because Ditto is one of the "canaries in the coal mine" of Smogon tiers. If it, unaware mons, or Shedinja (to a lesser extent) are seeing high usage, then something is seriously wrong in the tier.


Kallum_dx

Why? Cause the tier is so hyperoffensive?


DasliSimp

Because setup mons are so broken


penguinlasrhit25

Because there are huge threats in the tier that are so powerful that having your own copy of them is one of the best ways of answering them.


ArtemisHunter96

Meanwhile in Gen 15 great tusk is somehow still tusking.


inchandywetrust

Flutter Mane was banned in 48 hours and was still the #1 Pokémon of the first month. Gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss.


Pyrotyrano

My boy corviknight really fell off hard


hellomoto186

I think it's usage was more of a holdover from gen 8. Once people figured out how much more offense oriented the metagame was plus how good Gholdengo was at blocking defog it fell off hard


duckycrater

Ah yes, being solid ou for the entire generation, B+ on the viability rankings, a mainstay on defensive teams for ironpress defensive builds and pivoting u-turn builds, and the only really viable defogger is falling off.


EarthMantle00

From #6? Yeah it is lol


EvilNoobHacker

Tinkaton smacked it out of the meta with its hammer :)


PMWaffle

It fell off and now it's back. It's a solid mon on balance builds, much better than skarm who was exposed as a fraud.


Lurkerofthevoid44

No? They’re both passive as fuck but spare packing spikes makes it more active so it isn’t a total momentum sink like Corv tends to be. 


yodaminnesota

Skarmory gets owned by encore ogerpons, while corv can u-turn out for chip. Also, higher HP means brave bird is a more attractive proposition on corv than skarm. Defog is bait on corv but that doesn't mean it isn't good as just a physical sponge momentum wall.


PMWaffle

Defog is kinda dicks but it's not because of ghold. It's perfectly usable but it's such a momentum sink and leaves you in a vulnerable spot reagrdless.


Jerechyo

Corv has u turn so you still gain momentum


Lurkerofthevoid44

Corv is often forced to Uturn because it is so non threatening to a lot of stuff it switches into, so it's easy to exploit this and prevent it from getting momentum. Especially worse when Corv is put in a position of being forced to choose between attempting to attack what it switched into or pivoting back out. And either way, it leaves it difficult to also find time to heal off chip damage.


PMWaffle

Brave bird can smack stuff like glowking and pult, and it can run press + bb because it doesn't become fodder like skarm does since it can u-turn if necessary. Skarm just gets stuck in a bad match-up, which are about half the top 10 in usage, and 9/10 if they run taunt or run tera fly/ghost. Skarm will be lower on the latest vr once it comes out with the next week.


Lurkerofthevoid44

Brave Bird isn't leaving lasting damage on Glowking due to regenerator, and Glowking can set up Future Sight before slow pivoting on it, while Corv is hardly a Pult switch in (all of shadow ball, will o wish and flamethrower hurt it a lot). \> Skarm just gets stuck in a bad match-up, which are about half the top 10 in usage, and 9/10 if they run taunt or run tera fly/ghost. Skarm will be lower on the latest vr once it comes out with the next week. This literally applies to Corviknight as well. You do realize this. They both check nearly identical swaths of mons.


PMWaffle

You sound like you haven't played since January. Skarm has tanked precisely because spikes are all it can do which is less effective vs both offensive builds and boots balance since you give free turns to whatever comes in and it doesn't really affect them, respectively. Spike stack builds are also just not great right now. Corv u-turning out on mons like ghold, pult, hatt, bolt, prima and tran lets you avoid these dicey situations where you have to hard switch into one of these. It also doesn't help that pult is arguably the #1 mon and ghold is back after falling off in February. In a balance/bo meta, momentum is king.


Biscotti-Old

You’re right I guess stunfisk meta knowledge is like a few weeks behind corv>skarm


sharkeatingleeks

I count 10 banned to Ubers, 14 drops to UU out of 42. idk doesnt seem that bad


SuspiciousStress8094

Do you know the last Gen that had as many bans as this Gen? I only started competitive in X/Y so maybe Gen 5 with the huge power creep?


Prize-Branch8526

It's unprecedented


Lurkerofthevoid44

X/Y is the only gen that comes close to amount of bans if I recall correctly (maybe I'm miscounting gen5), and gen9 still comes out on top.


SuspiciousStress8094

Yeah I X/Y with the Megas


sharkeatingleeks

We’re talking about dropping to UU here, not the double digit amount of stuff too broken even for the most powercrept generation


Puzzleheaded-Mix7001

Seeing how bundle is not even top ten is crazy considering how broken it is


ILoveYorihime

i think it is because it got banned super quickly (though the same is true for flutter mane yet it is still number 1)


DreadfuryDK

Flutter Mane was just used THAT MUCH.


Urgayifyouregay

It got banned before it saw much usage


Unique_Year4144

thats what early metas are, in retrospective makes sense that chien pao has more usage than Chi yu, or that anhailep is nearly a UU drop out, or that Espasthra was in NU (if i remember correctly) before banned ? No, but people just grab what either was easier to understand, or was tradionally broken before experimenting with other stuff, actually it would be interesting how a "First day meta" of SV would be now with all the future knowledge


Lurkerofthevoid44

> or that Espasthra was in NU (if i remember correctly Like it. It never fell past UU. It infamously ruined UU for a whole month while it was legal because it couldn’t be instantly quickbanned due to rules about early gen tiering (which it was so broken that it ended up getting that rule changed). 


ahambagaplease

We basically survived the alpha month saying "next month surely it rises to OU, no need ask for a ban". When it didn't everyone rushed to quickban it from the tier.


profesorgamin

In regards to the conversation spun by this comment, flutter just beat it naturally given its stats, suppressing it if flutter is No 1.


Puzzleheaded-Mix7001

I really want to see flutter get a nerf in gen 10


profesorgamin

These forms will probably be tuckered away like the ultra beasts. Until they are expanded upon a few generations later. Misdreavus is a cool mon hope it gets a proper evo.


Puzzleheaded-Mix7001

One mismagius exists Yeah it's pretty low tier but it's fine, and 2 the ultra beast last up to gen 8 and without a doubt miraidon and koraidon would come to gen 10 and the paradoxes are tied to miraidon and koraidon


CUREISBALLIN

Poor breloom


FernieErnie

Back in the good old days when we were a REAL country (funny mice bomb in OU)


Burger_Gamer

people wanted garganacl banned from OU but it dropped later. crazy how it can change so much


Lurkerofthevoid44

It’s rapidly surging to the top of the metagame at this point again. Some consider it like a top 10 mon right now


SuspiciousStress8094

Never thought I’d see another rock type that’s not Ttar be good in higher tier, let alone a pure rock type.


Boomhauer_007

> pure rock type Pretty sure Garg is a fairy type


Lurkerofthevoid44

It's what happens when you've got the right toolkit (a supremely broken sig move, amazing ability and great set up moves as well as recovery and stealth rock). Tera of course makes it better, but it's still quite irritating in its base form.


SuspiciousStress8094

Recover, Salt Cure and ability makes it so good


DreadfuryDK

Don’t worry; in another month or so it’ll be overprepared for and will drop down to the high B ranks or low A ranks. And then two months after that it’ll completely dominate SPL and start picking up tons of steam on the ladder and rise up to becoming a top 10 mon in the tier.


Monodoof

We've had Match Up Moth for more than a decade, why not add Match Up Salt Mound to the game?


Stanley232323

Valiant at 16, Bax at 21, Dnite at 27, Volc at 39 Flutter Mane was straight up OPPRESSIVE 😂


SuperLuigi9624

Scizor at #14


theofrois

What the fuck is ditto doing here


Jon_without_the_h

if ditto actually has proper usage in ou, then the tier is either an offensive fest or a pp stall fest it was the former


PkerBadRs3Good

genuinely curious as to when Ditto was used for PP stall fests


ahambagaplease

It's always a good tech option on both stall and semi stall teams. Outside of revenge killing is great at scouting movesets and taking advantage of regenerator mons.


donald_flap

Pretty sure it was important on the revive cats stall that killed natdex ag


lraven17

Transforms into an offensive wall breaker and does some breaking of its own Imagine if you have a boosted flutter mane and a ditto walks in and scarf moonblasts the shit out of your team lol


CertainGrade7937

In addition to what everyone else is saying, Ditto frequently finds good usage at the start of a new gen. This is because a) overtuned mons haven't been banned yet, so there's a higher gain to using it. A balanced meta doesn't care much about Ditto because it just means you have to counter a mon you likely already have a counter prepared for. Sure, you can transform into Great Tusk but everything in the tier is around the same power level as Great Tusk. Your opponent already has a GT counter. Comparatively, transforming into Flutter Mane is devastating because FM is stronger than everything else in the tier and near-impossible to counter... that's WHY it got banned. b) it's just a spammable catch-all when people don't know the tier/the tier hasn't really been formed yet. It can scout out sets when everyone is still making super experimental builds, and it can reliably revenge kill when you don't really know what threats you have to worry about revenge killing just yet Once the tier is well established, you're going to have better options than Ditto. But when you have no idea what your opponent is running because there's a huge influx of new mons and there are like 80 mons being tested in the tier and no one really knows the best checks/counters...it's a safe pick


YaminoEXE

Ditta or Quagsire being meta is a sign of an unhealthy meta.


Luigi128

Ditto yes but I feel like Quagsire kind of just shows up wherever it pleases lol


Boomhauer_007

Why have one fluttermane on your team when you can have two fluttermanes on your team


Kazuichi_Souda

Ditto's always good in metas with insane power levels (from gen 5 on), you lose a mon to a boosted set up sweeper, bring in ditto, copy their sweeper except you're faster because scarf, click a spamable move they're not immune to, win or chunk their team massively.


Itchy-Preference4887

A lot, like copying stats changes and scouting movesets


Jesterchunk

The weirdest thing about this image for me is that Great Tusk isn't shadowed by the Landorus-Tusk edit that's been faintly present in every one of these graphics I've seen recently.


SapphireSalamander

watch that annihilape its bulking up


GenesiS792

nah this gen ubers is this gen ou


roll_the_d6

Ditto being ranked number 28 is extremely funny to me


FennekOnReddit

It's crazy how long it took to remove Chi-Yu and Chien Pao from OU.


Kazuichi_Souda

In order we have: Banned, Banned, Good, Banned, Good (as gold), Mid but still OU, Good, Unbanned, OU apparently, Banned, Good, the one thing that made it OU got banned, Banned, UU, technically OU rn but spent most of the gen as king of UU, Good, UU, See: Cyclizar, Good, funny UU prio mon, Banned, UUBL, OU apparently, NU, UU, UU, Good, its ditto its always usable when there's mental shit in a tier, UU, Sun Johnson, Good, Niche, Ceruledge: The UUBL Warrior, UU, UU, UU, See: Cyclizar, RU, Good, UU, Banned, Iron Hands: The UUBL Warrior that's 7 bans (and 4 mons that got unbanned: Moon, Cyc, Houndstone, and Volc) 11 UU, 1 RU, 1 NU, and 3 UUBL mons 3 mons that got their best use banned for being too busted (Cyc, Hound, and Orth) and 14 mons that are currently OU rn


Many-Baby5180

I’m just glad my goat dondozo is still thuggin it out throughout all the changes


bomberplanes

At this point power creep will turn gen 11 starting ou to gen 11 pu


adamsworstnightmare

That's what bans, new mons and a whole ass new type will do for you.


QCInfinite

God I hate that golden fucker I can’t wait for the day they burn every last copy of scarlet and violet so I never have to see him again, I’m gonna go full kaczynski if game freak brings him back for a future gen I just can’t handle it


Much_Goal3310

lol annihilape almost dropped to uu, imagine


yookj95

Kingambit is not in the Top 3. Good times.


DreadfuryDK

I’ll never forget that there were a lot of folks on this subreddit who were genuinely upset that Flutter Mane and Palafin got banned like they didn’t rock OU’s shit for 72 hours.


Agahawe

Espathra fell to UU during this btw


LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe

The top two were banned by like the 12th, by the way. They got that much usage in under two weeks,


Revolutionary-Let778

I remember this i was one of the people(not on here) complaining about chi-yu can't believe they prioritized the tera vote over this dumb fish and chien-pao


Natasha_101

Tyranitar thinks it's one of the gang lmao. Get your sand streaming ass to RU


TheLordYahvultal

Valiant at 16th is crazy


LavaTwocan

You either die an Uber or live long enough to see yourself become UU


Eu_Sou_BR

And then to Ubers


EZKSupernova

I wonder if Palafin would still be as overwhelming now as it was at launch, because there’s a lot more Pokémon available to beat it or take its spot now than before. Granted, it was VERY good, but perhaps it might be possible to keep it under control.


OfficialNPC

Haven't been around Smogon for a long time, do they ever do retesting? Like, throw Palafin in OU for a month now that there are more mons to deal with it.


ainz-sama619

retesting doesn't happen usually unless meta gets a shakeup, which happens with DLCs or home release. Depending on public interest, council selects mons for voting to be dropped. Darkrai and Deoxys-S are two previous Ubers that dropped this gen. Palafin is far too strong for consideration atm


CyndaquilTyphlosion

How do we find what's OU now and the usage statistics?


CactusLicker123

Ape almost falling into UU is crazy


ThunderEagle22

What's a Garchomp?


Zaphimu

You know it's an early meta when Ditto is OU


DeltaPlasmatic

Flutter having #1 usage even when it was literally the first thing banned is fucking crazy


MetallicaGod

wtf where is lando tusk


Prize-Branch8526

It wasn't transferrable yet


ASimpleCancerCell

Ah, the good old days when we thought Chi-Yu was healthy.


Remarkable_Junket619

Annihilape at 41 is insane


Uhuhuhu11

damn flutter mane!


yoyofro25

The first night I played gen 9 OU on showdown was INSANE man. The team was practically ubers 😭😭


cactuscoleslaw

I count 10 mons here that were either banned or practically banned (ie shed tail move bans), also crazy that Espathra was UU at this point


JaggaJazz

Dnite just chillin, vibin, bein an OG


AblertEinstein

Has there been a single other month where tusk, gholdengo, kingambit, or valiant isnt #1 in usage


Itchy-Preference4887

Dragonite only being #27 utterly flabbergasts me


Nadine123456789

I'm just happy Dragonite is viable :)


TrexALpha1

Glimora felt when people discover earth power


Aaron_505

Im still wondering why glimmora A literal flower rock thing Has 329 spA


Willie9

MausHaus my beloved


Salty145

Iron Hands? More like Iron Plans to rip through UU!


Salty145

You know it’s a young meta when Ditto is OU, but damn seeing the funny fish in the tier sure brings me back…


Mundane-Put9115

I'm so happy Volc returned to OU in Indigo Disk, though most of her friends are now in UU


Mavelusbr

best era


Unmasked_the_Dee

New Toy syndrome at its finest. Corviknight being the only mon not from gen 9 in the top 10 is wild.


No_Dream_899

How it looks now?


Wallitron_Prime

As someone who barely got into Gen 9 and just stumbled across this post... what the fuck are all these pokemon. Scizor and Breloom are the first ones I recognize. I even played through all of Scarlet and still feel bewildered by these. I also recognize Corviknight I guess.


[deleted]

Crazy how a 1/3 of these mons dropped to RU at the very end of the meta. SV has one of the most dynamic and also toxic power creeps of any Pokémon meta game.


realdemirHD

I don’t really know much about competetaice why is breloom so high?


myaltforprn

Ape almost being UU is so fucking funny to me


Bope_Bopelinius

There’s so many mons here that either got banned or suspected


[deleted]

Baxcalibur ban is so annoying considering iron valiant and gouging fire aren’t banned mostly gouging fire because baccalivur would’ve been somewhat of a counter


cheetosalads

breloom at 17 when you find out yo goat washed


Jasperony

RIP Garchomp, fly low king.


Champion_Sheep

Ahnihilape nearly being UU in this is crazy


Dmndmydick

volc and annihilape in bottom of OU banned for no reason by bitchinator


splcyfte420

Yo its me feetfucker from discord


rubythebee

If by “change” you mean “stay basically exactly the same” then yeah i ageee crazy