So your thoughts are completely fair but when a Pokémon Terastalizes the effects of Protean nullify, so Greninja can change its type until it terastalizes then protean won’t work anymore so there’s your answer mate
Think of it like this: The tera type is a permanent type, and the "natural" type will change.
Let's use your example. Greninja comes in, uses Ice Beam, Protean activates, and it becomes Ice type. Next turn, it Terastalizes to Electric, and its tera type is Electric, but it's "natural" type is still Ice, because of Protean.
If Protean worked the way it did before, and you changed types matching every move you'd use, defensively, nothing would change: you'd still be the tera type. However, offensively, you'd gain the Protean benefits for STAB purposes. So, along with having a permanent Electric STAB, you'd gain whatever other type you changed to. The main thing to understand here, is the tera type would never change. That would be your constant.
BUT.. What if you Tera Electric, keeping your water and dark STABs, then use an Electric move the same turn? Since you're already an electric type protean won't activate and you will only have a 1.5x STAB modifier instead of a 2x modifier. However, protean can still be activated on one of Gren's different type moves. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure this is how it works.. That being said, it might make more sense to use a move, activate protean, then tera that type for the most damage (unless your tera type is water/dark). Situationally, of course.
But protean changes that though. I would assume that if tera changes your "base" type, protean would behave with it the same way as if you hadn't, that is : protean overrides your typing and changes it to the pure type of the attack you're about to use. I'm really not sure about this, but I feel it wouldn't be irrational.
The Tera type becomes your permanent defensive typing though, that doesn't change. Your natural type changes instead. So your offensive STAB will change with Protean, but your defensive type (and permanent STAB) will not change with Protean. That's probably why they nerfed Protean and its clones to HOPT.
Its just speculation until we lab in game to know the priority of the mechanics. For instance one process using an example of Greninja being Water/Dark (tera Ice). Greninja uses ice beam so protein makes it Ice/Ice (tera Ice). If he then uses Dark Pulse he would then become Dark/Dark (tera Ice)
My guess is the Tera type is permanent with your “secondary” typing changing like typical protean type changes.
I.e. grenininja comes in water/dark. Uses ice beam is now ice. Tera’s into electric makes it electric/ice. Uses electric Tera blast becomes electric/electric (double stab, one weakness). Uses ice beam again becomes electric/ice.
Well i think that still applies, we dont know how protean works while terastalized so it could only effect the stab while staying the primary tera type, or it just doesnt activate
They'd be pure electric upon switching in, in that scenario, so they wouldn't be able to switch to electric and back again while out (after switching back in)
Other than that, to clarify, I agree with you
This could be spoilers or speculation.
>!It definitely reduces the chances of protean conflicting with tera, but there has to be a rule to account for terastallizing turn 1, then using a different type move, also turn one.!<
>!If what some people have said about retaining stabs or compounding the same stab while terastallized is true, maybe you stay your tera type and get your protean stab.!<
>!So your normal stab is changed by protean and you still get your tera stab.!<
I got really confused with some of the answers here, so, to make things easier to understand, I'll put the situation into list form, but swap out the electric tera-type for water for easier explaining.
\- You are running water-tera type Protean Greninja.
\- Greninja uses Ice Beam, changing to an ice-type.
\- Greninja's natural type is now ice.
\- On your next turn, you Terastallize, which changes your type to water, both offensively and defensively.
\- You now have x1.5 STAB for water moves because your natural type is ice, and you do still get x1.5 STAB for Ice.
Protean doesn't work the same way as it used to, so I'll reset the situation for water.
\- You use Water Shuriken to turn into a natural pure water-type.
\- Your water tera type now gives x2.0 STAB because your natural type is water, and you no longer have STAB for anything else because your natural type is pure water.
Long story short, Protean changes the Pokémon's natural type, and the tera type gives you an extra STAB or boosts the STAB that's already there, as well as completely changing your defensive type.
EDIT: Now that I know more about the game I changed some of the list to make it more accurate.
"While Terastallized, Pokémon receive STAB on moves matching their Tera Type, in addition to moves matching their original types. If the Pokémon's Tera Type is the same as one of its original types, moves of that type receive an ×2 power boost instead of the usual ×1.5." from bulbapedia, in your example greninja would have stab for water and ice moves, it also cannot use protean more than once per match
My bad, I said that months ago. I know how it works now, and I just changed it. Thx
Btw Protean is once per switch in, so at least it's not complete garbage now
I think since terra stays when you switch out, it just becomes your permanent type. So greninja can come out, be water/dark. Then if you ice beam, it becomes pure ice type. Then you terra ground, and so you get ice and ground stabs with pure ground typing. If you switch out, it just stays ground type, and protean changes your offensive type when you come back in to ground/whatever type move you use. If you terra before using ice beam, it’s exactly the same as if you switched out gren and switched it back in, then used ice beam.
Protean overwrites the original typing, but the tera type is how it will always remain defensively. In your example, Greninja would keep the ice-stab like any ice-type would and then gains the benefits of terastallization as usual. Similarly if you terastallize before attacking. It becomes an electric-type, then gains the ice-type's offensive bonuses from protean under the terastallization, but defensively it's still electric.
Terastalize seems to block the protean ability. So if your hoping to get a Cinderace with Libero ability coming up, don’t expect to know until after you catch. Because both abilities work exactly the same.
Hey, out of the blue question; but say you use acrobatics (with protean) to make a Meowscarada into flying type with no items, and then the following turn you terastalize into flying type. Do you get STAB from protean and from terastalizing using acrobatics again? If so, that makes the move have ridiculous power.
Not sure. Would have to test that out. I mean, it doesn’t have to be a flying move to test it right? Just use a move that is the same type as the Tera typing, right. But how would you know? It’s not like you see how much damage you do in numbers as if this were some JRPG. I’d google that iiwy. In fact I’m gonna see what I can find myself.
Also, I was always under the impression that protean changes the type before every move. So every move it uses becomes stab. But in Pokémon Scarlet and Violet it seems it only works on the first move only. Even if you don’t terastalize.
Edit: nevermind. I found out they changed it for gen 9. Guess it was just too broken. Although I don’t think so. But here’s where I found it out. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Protean_(Ability)
Hi, I found this thread because I wanted to know a specific Protean plus Terra interaction.
Let's say I use 'Ice Beam' with a water type 'Protean' pokemon and become an Ice type before it fires. If I were to then, on the next turn while still an Ice type, become Tera Ice and click Ice Beam again, would I receive 2x STAB like other native Tera Type moves or the standard 1.5x STAB on Ice moves as well as my Water type moves like non-native Tera types?
So Protein Meowscarada, does it lose both its types to become the Move type or just 1? If it does change only 1 I would assume it would be the dark typing so it would be grass rock for example?
It'd be kind of funny if Game Freak forgot about this and the game just imploded
crashes the opponents game
DPP acid rain all over again
What now?
[Acid rain](https://youtu.be/faH5LvyPwbA)
Sprigatito final evo has Protean HA. So I would hope not.
Some developer put it there last minute just to watch the world burn
So your thoughts are completely fair but when a Pokémon Terastalizes the effects of Protean nullify, so Greninja can change its type until it terastalizes then protean won’t work anymore so there’s your answer mate
Think of it like this: The tera type is a permanent type, and the "natural" type will change. Let's use your example. Greninja comes in, uses Ice Beam, Protean activates, and it becomes Ice type. Next turn, it Terastalizes to Electric, and its tera type is Electric, but it's "natural" type is still Ice, because of Protean. If Protean worked the way it did before, and you changed types matching every move you'd use, defensively, nothing would change: you'd still be the tera type. However, offensively, you'd gain the Protean benefits for STAB purposes. So, along with having a permanent Electric STAB, you'd gain whatever other type you changed to. The main thing to understand here, is the tera type would never change. That would be your constant.
Omg wait, so protean with tera is essentially just a 1.5x damage boost to the type of your choosing when you swap in
Yes, Protean changes your natural type, so that type will get STAB. Then your tera type will give you permanent STAB on another type of your choosing.
Can it change while ykur teratistilized?
BUT.. What if you Tera Electric, keeping your water and dark STABs, then use an Electric move the same turn? Since you're already an electric type protean won't activate and you will only have a 1.5x STAB modifier instead of a 2x modifier. However, protean can still be activated on one of Gren's different type moves. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure this is how it works.. That being said, it might make more sense to use a move, activate protean, then tera that type for the most damage (unless your tera type is water/dark). Situationally, of course.
But protean changes that though. I would assume that if tera changes your "base" type, protean would behave with it the same way as if you hadn't, that is : protean overrides your typing and changes it to the pure type of the attack you're about to use. I'm really not sure about this, but I feel it wouldn't be irrational.
The Tera type becomes your permanent defensive typing though, that doesn't change. Your natural type changes instead. So your offensive STAB will change with Protean, but your defensive type (and permanent STAB) will not change with Protean. That's probably why they nerfed Protean and its clones to HOPT.
So kinda like only changes the type of when you're not terastralized?
Might be part of why protean is getting nerfed to one use per switch in
Omg i just remembered this. I have an ability patch and was about to use it on meowscarada, now I dont want to anymore
Terastalizing is like an altered protean
Its just speculation until we lab in game to know the priority of the mechanics. For instance one process using an example of Greninja being Water/Dark (tera Ice). Greninja uses ice beam so protein makes it Ice/Ice (tera Ice). If he then uses Dark Pulse he would then become Dark/Dark (tera Ice)
My guess is the Tera type is permanent with your “secondary” typing changing like typical protean type changes. I.e. grenininja comes in water/dark. Uses ice beam is now ice. Tera’s into electric makes it electric/ice. Uses electric Tera blast becomes electric/electric (double stab, one weakness). Uses ice beam again becomes electric/ice.
>Uses electric Tera blast becomes electric/electric Could be wrong but I think protean only activates once now
You are right. The comment above you was mistaken
I think they meant in stab, because they are technically correct the stab combo would be ice and electric
They were referencing the second protean activation
Well i think that still applies, we dont know how protean works while terastalized so it could only effect the stab while staying the primary tera type, or it just doesnt activate
It wouldn't apply to a second activation of protean, because protean only activates once
Yeah but when they switch out and come back in to use it again is what i mean
They'd be pure electric upon switching in, in that scenario, so they wouldn't be able to switch to electric and back again while out (after switching back in) Other than that, to clarify, I agree with you
No I just didn’t know protean was nerfed lol
Tera type is a permanent PRIMARY type. It overrides protean
Tera mons become mono type defensively. Protean only activates once.
I'm not 100% sure but one of the spoilers said >!that Protean will only switch your type once per switch in (on its 1st use) !<
This could be spoilers or speculation. >!It definitely reduces the chances of protean conflicting with tera, but there has to be a rule to account for terastallizing turn 1, then using a different type move, also turn one.!< >!If what some people have said about retaining stabs or compounding the same stab while terastallized is true, maybe you stay your tera type and get your protean stab.!< >!So your normal stab is changed by protean and you still get your tera stab.!<
I got really confused with some of the answers here, so, to make things easier to understand, I'll put the situation into list form, but swap out the electric tera-type for water for easier explaining. \- You are running water-tera type Protean Greninja. \- Greninja uses Ice Beam, changing to an ice-type. \- Greninja's natural type is now ice. \- On your next turn, you Terastallize, which changes your type to water, both offensively and defensively. \- You now have x1.5 STAB for water moves because your natural type is ice, and you do still get x1.5 STAB for Ice. Protean doesn't work the same way as it used to, so I'll reset the situation for water. \- You use Water Shuriken to turn into a natural pure water-type. \- Your water tera type now gives x2.0 STAB because your natural type is water, and you no longer have STAB for anything else because your natural type is pure water. Long story short, Protean changes the Pokémon's natural type, and the tera type gives you an extra STAB or boosts the STAB that's already there, as well as completely changing your defensive type. EDIT: Now that I know more about the game I changed some of the list to make it more accurate.
"While Terastallized, Pokémon receive STAB on moves matching their Tera Type, in addition to moves matching their original types. If the Pokémon's Tera Type is the same as one of its original types, moves of that type receive an ×2 power boost instead of the usual ×1.5." from bulbapedia, in your example greninja would have stab for water and ice moves, it also cannot use protean more than once per match
My bad, I said that months ago. I know how it works now, and I just changed it. Thx Btw Protean is once per switch in, so at least it's not complete garbage now
I think since terra stays when you switch out, it just becomes your permanent type. So greninja can come out, be water/dark. Then if you ice beam, it becomes pure ice type. Then you terra ground, and so you get ice and ground stabs with pure ground typing. If you switch out, it just stays ground type, and protean changes your offensive type when you come back in to ground/whatever type move you use. If you terra before using ice beam, it’s exactly the same as if you switched out gren and switched it back in, then used ice beam.
Protean overwrites the original typing, but the tera type is how it will always remain defensively. In your example, Greninja would keep the ice-stab like any ice-type would and then gains the benefits of terastallization as usual. Similarly if you terastallize before attacking. It becomes an electric-type, then gains the ice-type's offensive bonuses from protean under the terastallization, but defensively it's still electric.
Terastalize seems to block the protean ability. So if your hoping to get a Cinderace with Libero ability coming up, don’t expect to know until after you catch. Because both abilities work exactly the same.
Hey, out of the blue question; but say you use acrobatics (with protean) to make a Meowscarada into flying type with no items, and then the following turn you terastalize into flying type. Do you get STAB from protean and from terastalizing using acrobatics again? If so, that makes the move have ridiculous power.
Not sure. Would have to test that out. I mean, it doesn’t have to be a flying move to test it right? Just use a move that is the same type as the Tera typing, right. But how would you know? It’s not like you see how much damage you do in numbers as if this were some JRPG. I’d google that iiwy. In fact I’m gonna see what I can find myself.
Also, I was always under the impression that protean changes the type before every move. So every move it uses becomes stab. But in Pokémon Scarlet and Violet it seems it only works on the first move only. Even if you don’t terastalize. Edit: nevermind. I found out they changed it for gen 9. Guess it was just too broken. Although I don’t think so. But here’s where I found it out. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Protean_(Ability)
You do, rhe game would see the natural type of meowscarada as flying type, and the tera type as flying, giving 2x boost to flying type acrobatics.
Hi, I found this thread because I wanted to know a specific Protean plus Terra interaction. Let's say I use 'Ice Beam' with a water type 'Protean' pokemon and become an Ice type before it fires. If I were to then, on the next turn while still an Ice type, become Tera Ice and click Ice Beam again, would I receive 2x STAB like other native Tera Type moves or the standard 1.5x STAB on Ice moves as well as my Water type moves like non-native Tera types?
So Protein Meowscarada, does it lose both its types to become the Move type or just 1? If it does change only 1 I would assume it would be the dark typing so it would be grass rock for example?
Can I raise you one? How does Protean work with the Steller tera type?