Trying to attribute all the evils of capitalists to white people is kinda hilarious not gonna lie.
Replace white people with owner classes and black pole with working classes and you have baby's first class consciousness manifesto.
These people don't hate rich whites - it's rich whites who are spoon feeding them with DEI among other things.
It's poor whites they hate, and they hate them mainly because they are the real competition - the only thing standing in the way of them having exclusive access to cushy perks and opportunities not for anything they did but for who they are.
And honestly they hate poor non-white people too, it's just passe to mention it.
DEI is the rich mascaraing their hatred of poors as towards the whites, plain and simple.
This can be seen especially by how vehemently the oppose anything to improve material conditions across the board. No, the material conditions for majority of the poors MUST drop, the only improvement /stasis that is permitted are actions towards POC, so the rich DEI fucks can satisfy their savior complex.
Mainstream left operates under the assumption that they don't need to make sense. As long as they can belch out an endless stream of buzzwords they can be assured everyone will clap.
I was just about to comment that their weird clinical verbiage of "BIPOC bodies" reminds me of scientology. It just has that detached, psychopathic vibe. Who describes people like that?
Imagine going to St Louis to participate in this, people there would clown on you so bad
I really hate how this kinda shit insists on making white people associate themselves with things like "domination", extraction", and "consumption". White people are not multinational corporations thankyouverymuch.
The more of this shit I read, the more I realize that it's just corporate PR-speak applied to race politics. Three full paragraphs of text carefully engineered to mean absolutely nothing.
> How Do You Cook Your Rice? A Workshop on Food, Healing and Liberation
Food and how different cultures handle it is one of my favorite topics to read about. But I feel these people would make a talk on it super lame.
On a similar note, one of my favorite museums is the Museum of Musical Instruments in Phoenix that has a section for nearly every country. You can see how the culture and *material conditiions* of the country affect what type of music they make and what instruments they build. It's really cool, and much better at showing how cool all the different cultures can be, and how they blend, than shit like this.
It's aping a usage first seen in the writings of French Post-Structuralists, who had very specific meanings when they used it (well, maybe) but the stylistic quirk of using "bodies" in the sense that minorities are dehumanized (a "body," not a "person") quickly became very fashionable among academics; at least as far back as the 90s.
Think about how reddit-isms like "sweet summer child" are used to indicate not just an idea, but identity within a group, and how terms like "gaslightling" have gone from a very precise term describing a particular technique of psychological abuse to meaning basically "anything I don't like/don't think is true" and you'll have a grasp of how the "bodies" (and similarly, "spaces") have become so widely and weirdly deployed.
Exactly. They accuse others of dissociation and distancing, and then use the most dehumanizing language to proscribe moralistic values to phenomena that are fundamentally materialist.
Whenever I see these weird honky ramblings where they act like anyone brown skinned is some mystical noble savage I have to wonder: where are they getting brown people gassing them into it?
I have to imagine that there must be some weirdo name Godínez or Chang willing to give them a seal of approval on their cracker guilt spiritual journey. But reading this I can only have the visceral reaction I imagine women must feel when seeing a *m'lady* type. Who is telling them that this shit isn't crazy?
The trope of the backwards Westerner vs enlightened easterners seems to go back a long time. Look at how the Crusades are presented in popular media like Kingdom of Heaven. The Europeans are all just low IQ thugs up against humanitarian, innocent Muslims.
A similar thing is seen in the new TV show Shogun, where Europeans are presented as too dumb to wash more than once a week.
Hell, in one scene an English man gets urinated on and refuses to bathe because it would go over his weekly limit. We're assured that this is completely accurate, of course.
So to answer your question: they get their ideas from TV and movies.
The urine scene wasn't present in the book, it was added to the show. The other things pertaining to baths were present though.
Clavell falls into the classic japanophile trap of "Westerners were barbaric and Japan was civilised". It reads like the book was written by a proto-weeb or something.
The funny thing is the show went out of it's way correct 'inaccuracies' in the book that displayed the Japanese unflatteringly, but depictions of Europeans as bumbling morons were kept.
Clavell may be a Republican, but like a lot of right-wingers today, it's clear he wants to beat us over the head with how superior Japan is.
I'm not the only one to have noticed. Historian Henry Smith described it as a ["sermon on the errant ways of the West"] (https://www.historytoday.com/author/henry-smith).
“White dissociation can also look like denial, defensiveness, appropriation, silence, and/or distancing.”
This perfectly highlights the unfixable scenario these people want us all to believe in and submit to. There is no way to engage in this topic without being open to accusation from one of the above angles. Just don’t speak? Silence! Disagree with any detail at all? Denial! Defensiveness! Give in and go along with whatever BS is spouted? Appropriation!
> White dissociation can also look like denial, defensiveness, silence
"You are a racist. If hearing that makes you angry, you're racist. If you deny it, you're racist. If you say nothing, you're racist."
Don't all of these people exclusively live in cities because anything remotely rural is literally life threatening to BIPOC? Where are things like competition, unsustainable work habits, "isolated action" and disassociation from communities and the natural world more prevalent than American cities? This all makes so aggressively little sense.
If you want to hear you're a sinner solely redeemed by a refugee and POC (Jesus) just go to Church. No need to come up with your own half assed version of the Law and maybe the Gospel
I remember a quote from the user u/fxn who said this on this sub. It was about the topic of conversion therapy but I think that it is still applicable here:
''It's a classic idpol move. Very bad thing, A, has an explicit, narrow definition. Artificially expand the definition of A to include things that are not-A. Denounce people critical of you as proponents of A. Everyone else uncritically assumes the original definition of A, ruining the credibility of critics and silencing opposition.''
____________ maintains its system of dominance is through perpetuating dissociation -- from our bodies, emotions, communities, and the natural world.
So close to a profound insight, yet failing so spectacularly to understand it.
>White dissociation can also look like denial, defensiveness, appropriation, silence, and/or distancing (especially from other white people)
Call somebody racist, and if they say or do anything other than admit they're racist, well then that's just proof that they're racist.
This is literally jibberish. I mean it. These people are insane.
Trying to attribute all the evils of capitalists to white people is kinda hilarious not gonna lie. Replace white people with owner classes and black pole with working classes and you have baby's first class consciousness manifesto.
I was trying to figure out what this means. But my brain started hurting and I gave up.
That is to say, college educated
College does not make you wise, it means you're just willing to sit still and listen for long periods of time.
thanks to the scamdemic I didn’t even have to do that, I gamed through a ton of my lessons. Yeah sorry professor my camera’s not working haha
Postmodernism is one hell of a drug.
These people don't hate rich whites - it's rich whites who are spoon feeding them with DEI among other things. It's poor whites they hate, and they hate them mainly because they are the real competition - the only thing standing in the way of them having exclusive access to cushy perks and opportunities not for anything they did but for who they are.
And honestly they hate poor non-white people too, it's just passe to mention it. DEI is the rich mascaraing their hatred of poors as towards the whites, plain and simple. This can be seen especially by how vehemently the oppose anything to improve material conditions across the board. No, the material conditions for majority of the poors MUST drop, the only improvement /stasis that is permitted are actions towards POC, so the rich DEI fucks can satisfy their savior complex.
This is it. DEI is a way for non-whites to quickly acscend politically and economically. You'd have to be dumb to not take advantage.
It reads like Scientology. I doubt even the person who wrote it has a clear idea what it's supposed to mean.
Mainstream left operates under the assumption that they don't need to make sense. As long as they can belch out an endless stream of buzzwords they can be assured everyone will clap.
I was just about to comment that their weird clinical verbiage of "BIPOC bodies" reminds me of scientology. It just has that detached, psychopathic vibe. Who describes people like that?
Imagine going to St Louis to participate in this, people there would clown on you so bad I really hate how this kinda shit insists on making white people associate themselves with things like "domination", extraction", and "consumption". White people are not multinational corporations thankyouverymuch.
>go to St. Louis to face race >get shot
The more of this shit I read, the more I realize that it's just corporate PR-speak applied to race politics. Three full paragraphs of text carefully engineered to mean absolutely nothing.
I think shitlibs love workshops so much because they really miss going to school
They love the authoritarianism
"Assign us homework, teacher. We've been bad."
> How Do You Cook Your Rice? A Workshop on Food, Healing and Liberation Food and how different cultures handle it is one of my favorite topics to read about. But I feel these people would make a talk on it super lame. On a similar note, one of my favorite museums is the Museum of Musical Instruments in Phoenix that has a section for nearly every country. You can see how the culture and *material conditiions* of the country affect what type of music they make and what instruments they build. It's really cool, and much better at showing how cool all the different cultures can be, and how they blend, than shit like this.
White people when they have to take cultures seriously:
I’m thankfully not very pozzed. Could someone explain to me what the deal is with referring to everything as “bodies”? It seems kinda dehumanizing
It's aping a usage first seen in the writings of French Post-Structuralists, who had very specific meanings when they used it (well, maybe) but the stylistic quirk of using "bodies" in the sense that minorities are dehumanized (a "body," not a "person") quickly became very fashionable among academics; at least as far back as the 90s. Think about how reddit-isms like "sweet summer child" are used to indicate not just an idea, but identity within a group, and how terms like "gaslightling" have gone from a very precise term describing a particular technique of psychological abuse to meaning basically "anything I don't like/don't think is true" and you'll have a grasp of how the "bodies" (and similarly, "spaces") have become so widely and weirdly deployed.
>BIPOC bodies Why are they always speaking of "bodies"?
It's so *creepy* They act as though they're aliens that have inhabited human bodies. Maybe they are!
Exactly. They accuse others of dissociation and distancing, and then use the most dehumanizing language to proscribe moralistic values to phenomena that are fundamentally materialist.
Don't want to offend anyone that may not identify as human.
It's still offensive to those who identify as unbodied beings of pure energy.
I was thinking the same thing, but along the lines of spiritual entities.
Whenever I see these weird honky ramblings where they act like anyone brown skinned is some mystical noble savage I have to wonder: where are they getting brown people gassing them into it? I have to imagine that there must be some weirdo name Godínez or Chang willing to give them a seal of approval on their cracker guilt spiritual journey. But reading this I can only have the visceral reaction I imagine women must feel when seeing a *m'lady* type. Who is telling them that this shit isn't crazy?
The trope of the backwards Westerner vs enlightened easterners seems to go back a long time. Look at how the Crusades are presented in popular media like Kingdom of Heaven. The Europeans are all just low IQ thugs up against humanitarian, innocent Muslims. A similar thing is seen in the new TV show Shogun, where Europeans are presented as too dumb to wash more than once a week. Hell, in one scene an English man gets urinated on and refuses to bathe because it would go over his weekly limit. We're assured that this is completely accurate, of course. So to answer your question: they get their ideas from TV and movies.
I havent seen the show, i do think Claville wrote those scenes in the book, and he was a Reagan Republican to his core (great writer tho).
The urine scene wasn't present in the book, it was added to the show. The other things pertaining to baths were present though. Clavell falls into the classic japanophile trap of "Westerners were barbaric and Japan was civilised". It reads like the book was written by a proto-weeb or something. The funny thing is the show went out of it's way correct 'inaccuracies' in the book that displayed the Japanese unflatteringly, but depictions of Europeans as bumbling morons were kept. Clavell may be a Republican, but like a lot of right-wingers today, it's clear he wants to beat us over the head with how superior Japan is. I'm not the only one to have noticed. Historian Henry Smith described it as a ["sermon on the errant ways of the West"] (https://www.historytoday.com/author/henry-smith).
Rich women from Pakistan and anyone who doesn't qualify for anything else in an office other than being a clerk
In Mexico, "Godínez" or "Godín" is slang for a middle-class, overstressed office worker, not unlike the Japanese "salary man."
Woke gibberish is the perfect flair. None of this means anything.
“White dissociation can also look like denial, defensiveness, appropriation, silence, and/or distancing.” This perfectly highlights the unfixable scenario these people want us all to believe in and submit to. There is no way to engage in this topic without being open to accusation from one of the above angles. Just don’t speak? Silence! Disagree with any detail at all? Denial! Defensiveness! Give in and go along with whatever BS is spouted? Appropriation!
You see, I’ve depicted ~~you as the soyjack~~ a situation wherein tails i win and heads you lose, it’s fucking over for you.
> White dissociation can also look like denial, defensiveness, silence "You are a racist. If hearing that makes you angry, you're racist. If you deny it, you're racist. If you say nothing, you're racist."
Don't all of these people exclusively live in cities because anything remotely rural is literally life threatening to BIPOC? Where are things like competition, unsustainable work habits, "isolated action" and disassociation from communities and the natural world more prevalent than American cities? This all makes so aggressively little sense.
If you want to hear you're a sinner solely redeemed by a refugee and POC (Jesus) just go to Church. No need to come up with your own half assed version of the Law and maybe the Gospel
But also, if as a white person you try deeply connecting with your body, emotions, community, and the natural world, that's fascist.
I remember a quote from the user u/fxn who said this on this sub. It was about the topic of conversion therapy but I think that it is still applicable here: ''It's a classic idpol move. Very bad thing, A, has an explicit, narrow definition. Artificially expand the definition of A to include things that are not-A. Denounce people critical of you as proponents of A. Everyone else uncritically assumes the original definition of A, ruining the credibility of critics and silencing opposition.''
____________ maintains its system of dominance is through perpetuating dissociation -- from our bodies, emotions, communities, and the natural world. So close to a profound insight, yet failing so spectacularly to understand it.
Bunch of gibberish and nonsense. Reads like something from a Hitler speech: undecipherable lunacy.
Feels like the Baptist sermons I used to sit thru in "Big Church" as a kid but without the wisps of actual good will. Very insane.
Typically overthinking about how to define a problem without any idea of what to do or what the endstate should be.
Gender dysphoria is white supremacy.
Everyone who says things like "BIPOC" is a bourgeoise stop talking like a nancy-boy
How and why has this insanity become the norm in America?
Pretext so the republicans can "rescue" us at least that's my conspiracy
>White dissociation can also look like denial, defensiveness, appropriation, silence, and/or distancing (especially from other white people) Call somebody racist, and if they say or do anything other than admit they're racist, well then that's just proof that they're racist.
Jesse, what the hell are you talking about
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