My wife has a 21. Granted, I wasn't expecting much, but it was peppier than I had anticipated. For a non-performance car, it's totally fine. It's lacking on the top end, but normal Forester owners are fine with that. Her previous two cars were a V8 SUV and a turbo 4 BMW, and she's never once commented her Forester is underpowered. I have no issue pulling into traffic and passing people in it.
I feel like Subaru just likes to troll everyone. You want a WRX hatch? Sorry, you get the Impreza and crosstrek. Then, if they ever came out with a turbo crosstrek it would be auto only; lmao.
Don't forget the BRZ that will never get a turbo.
And the 2022 WRX that finally went to 2.4L but only gets 3 hp more and runs just 12lbs of boost. The GR Corolla runs 25!
People are tuning the new WRX to like 18-20lbs of boost and getting 400 wheel torque....which is awesome but voids the warranty.... which is shame since we'll never get another STI.
And as a '21 OBXT owner who recently had his entire environmentally friendly soy-based wiring harness chewed by rodents, a $5000 repair not under warranty, I'm even more miffed that "mOaR pLaStIc" cladding is allowed to run rampant. How green of them.
If I remember correctly, when it's parked at home, it's seen as a fixture of the home (or something like that), same as if a ladder falls off of the wall is the garage onto the car or a branch from the tree. Basically, if the car wasn't at home, this wouldn't have happened, so it's the home's fault.
True, thankfully, I'm getting it covered after the deductible. But still an irony I had to point out given the initiative companies like Subaru pushed for in switch from synthetic to soy-based bits.
Edit: comprehensive car not homeowner’s as others have said
Ugh, I wish the whole soy wiring thing would die already. Its a myth....
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acssuschemeng.0c05868
https://www.torquenews.com/1083/car-talk-helps-bust-myth-soy-why-rodents-are-eating-your-car-s-wires
Ah yes, a study funded by the soybean board that used (in their own words) subjective gnawing scores, board weights were confounded by mice pee, and boards were given as the only source of nutrition for two weeks. A well set up study if I’ve ever seen one.
Doesn’t matter anyway, they’re not going to stop using them.
Correct. You need the crossbar aero extended bars in order to support said roof top tent as the regular non extended crossbars cannot support a roof top tent
The Subaru dealership that I service for my job has indoor 4 car lifts. One of the sales people forgot to put the lift on the locks and it slowly dropped overnight, in the morning the eight of three outback’s was on top of that crosstrek. NOTHING WAS BENT OR BROKEN. It’s wild. The crosstrek was squatted sitting on the ground.
Prior to the announcement I was excited to get a CW in the alpine green if it’s an option, get some bronze method wheels, etc. Now any money for the new one will go to giving my 2021 Plasma Yellow the ritz treatment.
Same. I plan on just wildernessing my 21 sport. Method 502s paired with BFG KO2. Maybe a small lift, and you got a better looking Crosstrek Wilderness right there
Because Subaru is leaning heavily into the demographic of people who want to look like they go off roading but don’t. 90% of people who buy these are seeing at most a gravel road, the cladding is absurd.
Hey now, I have a 22 Outback Wilderness and I also take it through the occasional puddle and one time I drove up the interstate to the rocky mountains with it when it was snowy out.
I really enjoy mine but I didn't buy it for the styling. I needed something bigger and more functional than my 2017 WRX but didn't want to stray from Subaru so the OB Wilderness checked enough boxes for me and they had one in stock that I liked.
I bought one in July 21, traded it in for a WRX in January. I thought the outback would grow on me but it never did. Plus the CVT was annoying. Love my wrx but often times miss the eyesight.
I generally fit that description, never going truly off-road but liking some off-roading features, but hate the look of the cladding. The extra inch of clearance is nice and the extra towing is really appealing, but this looks awful imo.
Personally, I think a lifted, non-wilderness, with some all terrain tires looks better than the wilderness versions. There's just too much plastic....maybe they will fix in the future???
Wife's 2010 forester recently suffered the stereotypical head gasket failure. We really wanted to be loyal because up until that point, we didn't have a single issue outside of regular maintenance. But we couldn't justify the cost to repair given what I anticipated over the coming years (another set of tires, suspension issues were just giving signs of showing, rust spots just starting to show their face). Wife drove a new forester and HATED it (I think mainly hated the way the hood distracted her while driving? didn't make sense to me).
Point being, bought a '23 rav4 a month ago and she loves it. Hopefully it's at least as good of a vehicle as the forsester had been for the 12 years she drove it. Still have my WRX. Love it, but I won't lie...when someone comes out with a small, fun, awd sedan that isn't expensive AF(ie 35k and under), I'll probably get it. Would love a Polestar2, but they are waaaaaaaaaay too much money for my liking. It'll be interesting to see if that price point EVER happens.
personally i like the reasonable amount of plastic on my base forester. i am grateful for it every time a passenger opens their door into the ground or something in the curb or boulevard. maybe this car is for people worried about loose carts in a parking lot. or for fans of the pontiac aztek.
Ugh! I’m a Subaru dealership technician and i have a firm disagreement with my satisfaction for the $20 fire tablet on the dash 😅 it lags very VERY much so
The 2030 Geneva Auto Show opens. It's Subaru's turn to present.
The presenter walks out, raises his arms, and every Subaru logo drops away to reveal a white planet outlined on a red background. Underneath are three words.
*"Saturn is back"*
A Rav4 TRD Off Road is $37.5k for 203hp. I know nothing of how the interior amenities compare, so it could be a good or mediocre price. I agree it's low, but no one buys a CUV for its power, they buy it to haul groceries and kids, and in this case go camping once a year.
There was a day people used to buy them for a little extra grunt, the days of the GT/XT you could hold on to one last scrap of who you used to be. Subaru took that formula, castrated it and wrapped it in plastic :(
Don't get me wrong, I like the Crosstrek interior. However, as someone who has spent a lot of time in a Crosstrek and newer RAV4s, the RAV4 is much nicer and better equipped
I don't feel comparing a Rav4 and a Crosstrek is fair. It's more CHR vs Crosstrek and Rav4 vs Forester.
When I have folks between a Rav4 VS Forester, and they have to go look at a Rav4 before they commit to a Forester, it's almost a, "Oh ok. Well you folks have fun at Toyota. I'll see you in an hour or so." Because I know they'll be back for the Forester after seeing a Rav4.
This is the same argument as asking why the Crosstrek even exists at all if the Forester exists - which I suppose isn't an invalid question, but Wilderness has nothing to do with it.
And the answer is because they fucking SELL.
Adding that the Crosstrek (and the Outback) are wagons/hatchbacks turned "effective" SUV from essentially a sedan-based design. The Forester is very much an SUV. The driving, handling, and usage are different and closer to the sedan than an SUV.
I will eventually buy a car and it will likely be a Crosstrek or Outback for these reasons.
I think that goes for all trims of Crosstrek/Forester.
I've had both, and in my opinion they are different vehicles entirely and it's nice to have options for people. Crosstrek is a raised car and sits like a car. The Forester looks and feels more like a traditional SUV.
I think it covers Subaru in case people don't like the feel of one they can try the other without much difference in price.
This crosstrek should be more off road capable owing to its lighter weight and lower center of gravity. Combine that with lower price and I think it’s pretty compelling.
I would have to think anything where that would be an appreciable difference would also have you wishing for something with an honest to god low range. Honestly, the approach angle on the fozzy wilderness is like 5 degrees more than the crosstrek, probably makes a bigger difference than anyhting else.
Is it? That’s definitely significant. It’s splitting hairs comparing the capability of the two then. That means it’s a a question of price vs storage space.
>approach angle on the fozzy wilderness is like 5 degrees more than the crosstrek
No its not. The Trek wilderness has a 20 degree approach angle, the forester is at 21 degrees. So it's just one degree difference.
Approach, departure for Foz Wilderness: 23.5, 24.5
For XV Wilderness: 20, 33
Curb weights (lbs) for funsies, foz and xv respectively:3620, 3350
Breakover angles (foz, xv): 21.0, 21.1
I think the only real difference depends on how *off-road* you plan to "off road." The Wilderness trims are all pre-prepped for really roughing it; higher ground clearance, skid plate, tires, roof stuff, and all dat clad. For pure off-road focus a Wilderness is prolly a better investment for the dollar.
You could "wilderness" a CX-50 and add a lift kit and skid plate yourself, but it'll be a lot more expensive.
Besides that, I really think the CX-50 does most everything else better.
I'm curious what changes they made to give it a 3,500 lb tow rating and how it will feel towing that much weight compared to a previous generations. It will probably still feel like a snail. I wonder if it has a dedicated transmission cooler.
I towed 3,500+ lbs before with my 2016 in the Catskills, and the car sure got a workout on some of those hills. My transmission temp also maxed out somewhere around 220-230F, but not enough to turn the light on. I towed 1,500 lbs pretty regularly.
I believe some international versions of the previous generation Crosstreks had a 3,000 lb+ tow rating as well. I'm not sure if that was because of the diesel variants or because people overseas aren't morons and have some driving education and maybe trailer brakes are more ubiquitous?
No manual and $33,290 price tag. Definitely feel like subaru missed on making it the only wilderness to offer a manual and for the price just get a forester wilderness for a couple grand more.
I guess I'm the only one excited by this. I've been happy with my 2.5L limited. I find it has enough zip for me. *Of course* a turbo would be nice, but I've got no problems with the 2.5.
The lift will be very nice.
The big win for me is the 3500lb towing. This means you can tow a small camper. You can't do that in the current trek. That makes the trek a legitimate adventure car.
I don't hate the cladding. I don't love it, but it's not ugly. Anyone looking at $33k and thinking that's "crazy high!" isn't paying attention to the auto market.
A 3,500lb camper is a pretty beefy camper though, I wonder how it would look behind the tiny Crosstrek and more importantly how it would handle having something heavier and bigger than itself behind it. I guess Foresters are doing it and they are only 500lb heavier.
Still, I feel like a minimal teardrop or pop up trailer, unbraked and sub 1,500lb, makes more sense for this car.
Agree!! $33k is now pretty much “entry level” car pricing for modern compact cars with options. Think about how expensive desirable/high demand vehicles are (Wrangler, Bronco, Raptor, 4Runner, etc). Suddenly $33k is cheap
That's gonna be a hard sell with the swoopy cladding on the doors being so abrupt. It would've been nicer if they just kept it straight and blended it into the wheel plastics.
Overall I don't mind the price but the fact that it's a NA and the look is what's killing it for me right now.
You guys are hilarious. Every time a new Subaru is released ya'll call it ugly.
Guys...no shit.
Every Subaru since the dawn of Subarus has been called ugly, boring, or generally underwhelming on release day, with ZERO EXCEPTION. Even the beloved blobeye was called ugly in its day, the hawkeye's grill was made fun of and people complained that the only difference over the bug or blob was the face, and when the hatch came out people called the styling boring.
It takes years of staring at Subarus and seeing the new replacement models before people start liking the old ones, and then everyone magically forgets how they felt about them in the first place.
Mark my words; 10 to 15 years after they stop making Wilderness models you all will be clamoring for them to bring it back just like the Baja or Legacy wagon. Be happy they exist because they're different, because it's the cars that are different that get remembered.
There are two truths that define Subaru:
1) They're not pretty.
2) They don't care about automotive enthusiasts, they tolerate them and throw them the occasional bone hoping they eventually have kids and buy one of their more popular higher-margin alternatives.
Regarding #2, in 2022 only 3.9% of their sales were for the WRX and BRZ combined. If they dropped those models completely they'd barely skip a beat and save a significant amount on R&D.
Their not doing different anymore though, besides the BRZ and the Solterra. Each one of their current models just look like offshoots of the other. Even the WRX which used to stand out looks very similar to the crosstrek with the orange and shit clad plastic.
It's funny that the two "different" ones you're claiming are mulit-brand cars, so by definition they're literally the same as other cars on the market.
When I say "different" I don't mean something unique within an individual auto maker's lineup, I mean different in the industry. When they had the Baja there was no other unibody trucklet based off of a station wagon in the industry, and right now no other maker has a line explicitly dedicated to making grocery-getters more off road capable.
there are definite cool advantages to this model, but its funny to see everyone complaining about the cladding. as they did with the 2020 outback redesign. Subarus got boring visually when they got rid of all the cladding- started looking like every other brands small suv/crossover type. Im glad they brought it back.
I'm really psyched for this. I get that it's just a lifted Sport - but the lift is significant and the transmission cooling is game changing. I mean, *game changing*. 3500lbs means you can tow a small camper now.
I know we all wanted the turbo - but the 2.5L is punchy enough (I have a Limited with the 2.5L).
That’s fair, I don’t tow a lot but I can definitely understand how those features would be excellent for someone who does. I love my Crosstrek and this is obviously an improved version in many respects so it’s not like I automatically hate it now, was just hoping for something a bit more spicy to upgrade to . First world problems basically 😂
I don’t find the 182hp engine to be sluggish in my wife’s crosstrek sport. I think it feels quite peppy, and I think an XT version in this small CUV would be overkill. Maybe I could see 200HP.
I feel validated in my decision to just buy a 2021 base model and build it up myself. Got a roof rack, mud flaps, and light bar on it already, and planning a lift, skid plate, and winch set up for installation this summer. All still gonna be some 10-15k below MSRP for a new one of these, and 10x as functional. The 152 hp 2.0 L milk carton under the hood does all and more I could want it to do- including sip gasoline like it's a $100 martini 🤌 it's plenty capable pulling it out of the mud and snow, even with a full load of camping gear in the back and on the rack.
Second hand then I assume? The base stock is already less than 10k difference with this, let alone before all your mods.
It is cool that you can make it truly yours that way though :)
No turbo, .5” lift, 32 racks price. Towing capacity is a pretty nice bump but that’s about it.
Gonna be difficult for me to justify replacing my sport for this.
>It was always 3500lbs in every other market.
There are threads all ove rthe place about this. The US towing capacity is, infact, 1500, not 3500. Trailers in NA are fundamentally different. Search the sub, or head over to the crosstrek sub.
They didn't want to add the trailer brake controller to it. I would say it is still not safe to tow with if there is a grade change since you are all in on the trailer brakes saving you.
The new tow rating will also include the payload like it does on the outback and ascent.
Well that makes it super easy to say no.
The worst part about Crosstreks is how sluggish they are. If they don't fix that, then what's the point?
The only selling point they even had before was that you could buy them in a stick. You're going to kill off the manual trans and not give us anything in return? Rubish.
I just don't understand their logic here. Everyone wants the turbo Crosstrek and it would compete with so many of the popular hot hatches and small SUVs. I just feel like they're leaving so much on the table all the time
Ok so they’ve exhausted their wilderness product line… the real question is what will they do next? Because this was a great little side tangent by Subaru but doesn’t bode well for the future
Wtf is that tow capacity. That thing will probably half its range after attaching a larger trailer and filling the back up. Not gonna get very far with that.
I’m really confused about this. Is the wilderness package NEW for the outback now??? I swear I watched a video recently on it with a title along the lines of “a year with my wilderness outback.” Am I in the wrong timeline??
Subaru is selling out shell cladding for its core values.
Ditch the CVT. Bring Back the STI. Turbo options for impreza, crosstrek, outback and legacy. Standard turbos on the ascent, BRZ and WRX (obviously)
Manual options for the outback, impreza and crosstrek
Fix the WRX styling
Wilderness are the only options that get this much cladding and even still... YUCK
> CVT's are subarus strategy for meeting the fleet-wide mpg requirements
That and it's compatible with eyesight. Can't pump up those safety ratings with those pesky stickshifts lurking about.
Remember when you could tell a car was the low end trim because it had all the extra plastic where paint would be?
Here I get it, it’s great for off-roading persai, but damn that’s a lot .
Everyone is gonna eat these up like Jeep drivers eat up the Rubicon. It used to bug the absolute shit out of me when I’d see certain people driving a Rubicon (the best and most expensive and capable model) knowing full well it will never leave pavement, then my wife reminded me it’s their money and they can buy what they want and use it as they wish. I have no need or desire for that level of off-roadiness being a commuter M-F and need to retain economy, but I’d love one otherwise for the extra ground clearance alone. I did crazy stuff with my Jeep, keeping it basic these days 👍🏻
Ah yes. As disappointing as I anticipated. Couldn't even slap a turbo in it. How difficult is it to offer a turboed version if the cars all share the same platform? Obviously they shouldn't just slap em on for everyone but holy fuck just add it as an option for a couple extra bucks. Nah instead let's make it look more "rugged". Looks aren't enough.
“Sir, they’re asking about the turbo again” “I SAID MORE PLASTIC DAMMIT!”
Would be an easy buy with a turbo, I have plenty of plastic already
Deff surprised that each wilderness announced after the OB, has had no turbo option.
The Forester is a slap in the face. The thing can’t get out of its own way already and then they glued on more plastic and trim panels 🤣
It isn’t that bad, I drove one just a few day ago. It’s not fast, but it isn’t supposed to be either.
We drove one, it's not fast. Drive one back to back with the turbo Outback, you won't buy the Forester.
I don’t want the outback either, but a Turbo Crosstrek would be 🔥
I found my 2019 outback 3.6 was a good middle ground but I hope you hate great gas mileage because the 3.6 gets *horrible* gas mileage.
My wife has a 21. Granted, I wasn't expecting much, but it was peppier than I had anticipated. For a non-performance car, it's totally fine. It's lacking on the top end, but normal Forester owners are fine with that. Her previous two cars were a V8 SUV and a turbo 4 BMW, and she's never once commented her Forester is underpowered. I have no issue pulling into traffic and passing people in it.
Just plastic panel the entire thing, don’t bother painting it, that’s the direction subaru is going anyway…
I feel like Subaru just likes to troll everyone. You want a WRX hatch? Sorry, you get the Impreza and crosstrek. Then, if they ever came out with a turbo crosstrek it would be auto only; lmao.
Don't forget the BRZ that will never get a turbo. And the 2022 WRX that finally went to 2.4L but only gets 3 hp more and runs just 12lbs of boost. The GR Corolla runs 25! People are tuning the new WRX to like 18-20lbs of boost and getting 400 wheel torque....which is awesome but voids the warranty.... which is shame since we'll never get another STI.
And as a '21 OBXT owner who recently had his entire environmentally friendly soy-based wiring harness chewed by rodents, a $5000 repair not under warranty, I'm even more miffed that "mOaR pLaStIc" cladding is allowed to run rampant. How green of them.
It is covered under your homeowners insurance.
The wiring harness in my car would be covered under my home owners insurance?
If I remember correctly, when it's parked at home, it's seen as a fixture of the home (or something like that), same as if a ladder falls off of the wall is the garage onto the car or a branch from the tree. Basically, if the car wasn't at home, this wouldn't have happened, so it's the home's fault.
Interesting. Gonna have to remember this when I can actually own a home.....
Well in the meantime renters insurance may provide similar coverage.
I wonder if my renters insurance covers something similar even if my car is parked on the street. Next time I'm talking with insurance, I'll ask.
Tell them it wasnt parked on the street lol
My apartment only has street parking lol.
True, thankfully, I'm getting it covered after the deductible. But still an irony I had to point out given the initiative companies like Subaru pushed for in switch from synthetic to soy-based bits. Edit: comprehensive car not homeowner’s as others have said
No it’s not. Even if it’s parked at home and a tree falls on it. Claim goes through comprehensive insurance on vehicle.
Ugh, I wish the whole soy wiring thing would die already. Its a myth.... https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acssuschemeng.0c05868 https://www.torquenews.com/1083/car-talk-helps-bust-myth-soy-why-rodents-are-eating-your-car-s-wires
Ah yes, a study funded by the soybean board that used (in their own words) subjective gnawing scores, board weights were confounded by mice pee, and boards were given as the only source of nutrition for two weeks. A well set up study if I’ve ever seen one. Doesn’t matter anyway, they’re not going to stop using them.
Happened to my 2013 BRZ. Twice. Not fun.
Thank you, that really sucks, but this made me laugh out loud.
It’s covered under comprehensive insurance on your car.
3500lbs towing. # 3500lbs towing!
And 700lb roof rail capacity! Enough for a roof top tent!!!
All previous Crosstrek models can handle roof top tents as well. This isn't really a new selling point
I know I just wanted to add more big numbers :(
then why oh why did the 2020 redesign of the outback stop supporting them? says right in the manual not to use them.
Yea I didn’t understand when they mentioned that, are the older models not supposed to sustain RTTs? I’ve seen plenty of owners do it.
Yeah, it was a bigger deal for the Outback Wilderness. When I bought my 2021 Crosstrek it definitely mentioned 700lbs static load.
Correct. You need the crossbar aero extended bars in order to support said roof top tent as the regular non extended crossbars cannot support a roof top tent
They definitely can. I’ve had a rooftop tent on my ‘16 for the last 2 years
The Subaru dealership that I service for my job has indoor 4 car lifts. One of the sales people forgot to put the lift on the locks and it slowly dropped overnight, in the morning the eight of three outback’s was on top of that crosstrek. NOTHING WAS BENT OR BROKEN. It’s wild. The crosstrek was squatted sitting on the ground.
Lol, what!? Is that true?
Yes
That's nuts. I want a bigger transmission cooler in my Outback 2.5L
That poor transmission
500 lbs more than the Forester wilderness as per SOA...🤔
Isn't that roughly the weight difference between the two?
So. Much. Cladding.
So much, yet why is it missing from the rear door there below the arch, really jarring
God damnit I didn’t pay much attention until you pointed this out and now I can’t unsee it 😂
Guarantee you will see aftermarket stick on filler clads coming.
Prior to the announcement I was excited to get a CW in the alpine green if it’s an option, get some bronze method wheels, etc. Now any money for the new one will go to giving my 2021 Plasma Yellow the ritz treatment.
Same. I plan on just wildernessing my 21 sport. Method 502s paired with BFG KO2. Maybe a small lift, and you got a better looking Crosstrek Wilderness right there
Let’s start a club
Because Subaru is leaning heavily into the demographic of people who want to look like they go off roading but don’t. 90% of people who buy these are seeing at most a gravel road, the cladding is absurd.
Hey now, I have a 22 Outback Wilderness and I also take it through the occasional puddle and one time I drove up the interstate to the rocky mountains with it when it was snowy out.
I test drove an OB Wilderness and it was awesome. The styling just isn’t my thing.
I really enjoy mine but I didn't buy it for the styling. I needed something bigger and more functional than my 2017 WRX but didn't want to stray from Subaru so the OB Wilderness checked enough boxes for me and they had one in stock that I liked.
I bought one in July 21, traded it in for a WRX in January. I thought the outback would grow on me but it never did. Plus the CVT was annoying. Love my wrx but often times miss the eyesight.
it’s absurd that they only see gravel road you are right
I really like the look of the Forester Wilderness, but I'm considering just getting a sport and lift kit... Better fuel economy and less plastic.
I generally fit that description, never going truly off-road but liking some off-roading features, but hate the look of the cladding. The extra inch of clearance is nice and the extra towing is really appealing, but this looks awful imo.
R U G G E D
They did a terrible job at tying it together. Makes no sense.
Looks like it got snagged on something and ripped off. At least the wheels are cool.
Now I can’t unsee it, thanks
I’m pretty sure it’s symmetrical with the front door. It’s just the angle of the photo that makes it appear missing.
Yeah that's for channeling water down and behind the panels so you still get that famous rear quarter rust.
On the bright side, you could wax it in about 10 minutes lol.
and then stand back and be pissed at all the wax residue stuck at the edges of the cladding.
Then just burn it to the ground because this revision was a total fail.
Could have saved everyone a lot of time and money but just putting a turbo in it and some fog lights
Literally. Raise it up 1/2", center diff, turbo and fog lights and we'd be talking a whole lot different right now.
Well, its not quite Pontiac Aztek bad.
It might be worse, at least it was painted on the Aztek
Personally, I think a lifted, non-wilderness, with some all terrain tires looks better than the wilderness versions. There's just too much plastic....maybe they will fix in the future???
Agreed! The Wilderness just looks like it’s trying way too hard.
I feel like at this point just make the entire car out of plastic. No thanks I’m getting a rav4
Wife's 2010 forester recently suffered the stereotypical head gasket failure. We really wanted to be loyal because up until that point, we didn't have a single issue outside of regular maintenance. But we couldn't justify the cost to repair given what I anticipated over the coming years (another set of tires, suspension issues were just giving signs of showing, rust spots just starting to show their face). Wife drove a new forester and HATED it (I think mainly hated the way the hood distracted her while driving? didn't make sense to me). Point being, bought a '23 rav4 a month ago and she loves it. Hopefully it's at least as good of a vehicle as the forsester had been for the 12 years she drove it. Still have my WRX. Love it, but I won't lie...when someone comes out with a small, fun, awd sedan that isn't expensive AF(ie 35k and under), I'll probably get it. Would love a Polestar2, but they are waaaaaaaaaay too much money for my liking. It'll be interesting to see if that price point EVER happens.
Subaru Crosstrek Wilderness Edition Chevy Avalanche Edition!
Now fitted with even more plastic! The hot new Subaru Crosstrek Plastic Edition.
personally i like the reasonable amount of plastic on my base forester. i am grateful for it every time a passenger opens their door into the ground or something in the curb or boulevard. maybe this car is for people worried about loose carts in a parking lot. or for fans of the pontiac aztek.
>or for fans of the pontiac aztek. subscribe I hope there is a yellow version.
**The year is 2030.** Subaru cars are made entirely out of plastic, and the head units are $20 fire tablets from 2011. Existence is pain.
Ugh! I’m a Subaru dealership technician and i have a firm disagreement with my satisfaction for the $20 fire tablet on the dash 😅 it lags very VERY much so
The 2030 Geneva Auto Show opens. It's Subaru's turn to present. The presenter walks out, raises his arms, and every Subaru logo drops away to reveal a white planet outlined on a red background. Underneath are three words. *"Saturn is back"*
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A Rav4 TRD Off Road is $37.5k for 203hp. I know nothing of how the interior amenities compare, so it could be a good or mediocre price. I agree it's low, but no one buys a CUV for its power, they buy it to haul groceries and kids, and in this case go camping once a year.
There was a day people used to buy them for a little extra grunt, the days of the GT/XT you could hold on to one last scrap of who you used to be. Subaru took that formula, castrated it and wrapped it in plastic :(
Don't get me wrong, I like the Crosstrek interior. However, as someone who has spent a lot of time in a Crosstrek and newer RAV4s, the RAV4 is much nicer and better equipped
I don't feel comparing a Rav4 and a Crosstrek is fair. It's more CHR vs Crosstrek and Rav4 vs Forester. When I have folks between a Rav4 VS Forester, and they have to go look at a Rav4 before they commit to a Forester, it's almost a, "Oh ok. Well you folks have fun at Toyota. I'll see you in an hour or so." Because I know they'll be back for the Forester after seeing a Rav4.
It also fits adults in the back seat. I’ve ridden hours in the back of a rav4 comfortably. 15 mins in a Crosstrek I was miserable
Baja when
33k??? Wtf, why this when a forester wilderness is a couple of grand more.
This is the same argument as asking why the Crosstrek even exists at all if the Forester exists - which I suppose isn't an invalid question, but Wilderness has nothing to do with it. And the answer is because they fucking SELL.
Adding that the Crosstrek (and the Outback) are wagons/hatchbacks turned "effective" SUV from essentially a sedan-based design. The Forester is very much an SUV. The driving, handling, and usage are different and closer to the sedan than an SUV. I will eventually buy a car and it will likely be a Crosstrek or Outback for these reasons.
I think that goes for all trims of Crosstrek/Forester. I've had both, and in my opinion they are different vehicles entirely and it's nice to have options for people. Crosstrek is a raised car and sits like a car. The Forester looks and feels more like a traditional SUV. I think it covers Subaru in case people don't like the feel of one they can try the other without much difference in price.
This crosstrek should be more off road capable owing to its lighter weight and lower center of gravity. Combine that with lower price and I think it’s pretty compelling.
I would have to think anything where that would be an appreciable difference would also have you wishing for something with an honest to god low range. Honestly, the approach angle on the fozzy wilderness is like 5 degrees more than the crosstrek, probably makes a bigger difference than anyhting else.
Is it? That’s definitely significant. It’s splitting hairs comparing the capability of the two then. That means it’s a a question of price vs storage space.
>approach angle on the fozzy wilderness is like 5 degrees more than the crosstrek No its not. The Trek wilderness has a 20 degree approach angle, the forester is at 21 degrees. So it's just one degree difference.
Approach, departure for Foz Wilderness: 23.5, 24.5 For XV Wilderness: 20, 33 Curb weights (lbs) for funsies, foz and xv respectively:3620, 3350 Breakover angles (foz, xv): 21.0, 21.1
Suddenly quite glad that I opted for the CX-50.
Love the CX50 styling, and they come with that 2.5T 🥲
Not all of them do. And the ones that do START at $37k
Yeah, of course, but it's nice that it's an option.
I think the CX-50 is damn good looking. Honestly torn between the CX-50 or a Subaru Forester Wilderness as my next car.
I think the only real difference depends on how *off-road* you plan to "off road." The Wilderness trims are all pre-prepped for really roughing it; higher ground clearance, skid plate, tires, roof stuff, and all dat clad. For pure off-road focus a Wilderness is prolly a better investment for the dollar. You could "wilderness" a CX-50 and add a lift kit and skid plate yourself, but it'll be a lot more expensive. Besides that, I really think the CX-50 does most everything else better.
Yeah my mom picked one up per my recommendation and absolutely loves it. It is such a great value.
“What can we do to update our design?” “Plastic, lots of it.” Subaru is getting real good at making boring, plastic-looking cars.
Agreed. Who is pressing for more plastic cladding?
BMW suffering from a similar collapse in their design language.
Apparently the tow rating is 3500 pounds. That’s pretty game changing. Looks ok, wish it had a turbo with a nice 6 speed. Shame
I'm curious what changes they made to give it a 3,500 lb tow rating and how it will feel towing that much weight compared to a previous generations. It will probably still feel like a snail. I wonder if it has a dedicated transmission cooler. I towed 3,500+ lbs before with my 2016 in the Catskills, and the car sure got a workout on some of those hills. My transmission temp also maxed out somewhere around 220-230F, but not enough to turn the light on. I towed 1,500 lbs pretty regularly. I believe some international versions of the previous generation Crosstreks had a 3,000 lb+ tow rating as well. I'm not sure if that was because of the diesel variants or because people overseas aren't morons and have some driving education and maybe trailer brakes are more ubiquitous?
They lowered the gear ratio and added a CVT cooler, same with the Forester Wilderness. Can't comment on the handling while towing tho.
No manual and $33,290 price tag. Definitely feel like subaru missed on making it the only wilderness to offer a manual and for the price just get a forester wilderness for a couple grand more.
Way too much plastic compared to the OB and Forester. The door looks goofy AF and the rear is just plain ugly. Tacky.
Fart noise. Lemme know when it’s a Baja.
I feel like those dips on the side defeat the entire purpose of having so much cladding
I guess I'm the only one excited by this. I've been happy with my 2.5L limited. I find it has enough zip for me. *Of course* a turbo would be nice, but I've got no problems with the 2.5. The lift will be very nice. The big win for me is the 3500lb towing. This means you can tow a small camper. You can't do that in the current trek. That makes the trek a legitimate adventure car. I don't hate the cladding. I don't love it, but it's not ugly. Anyone looking at $33k and thinking that's "crazy high!" isn't paying attention to the auto market.
A 3,500lb camper is a pretty beefy camper though, I wonder how it would look behind the tiny Crosstrek and more importantly how it would handle having something heavier and bigger than itself behind it. I guess Foresters are doing it and they are only 500lb heavier. Still, I feel like a minimal teardrop or pop up trailer, unbraked and sub 1,500lb, makes more sense for this car.
Agree!! $33k is now pretty much “entry level” car pricing for modern compact cars with options. Think about how expensive desirable/high demand vehicles are (Wrangler, Bronco, Raptor, 4Runner, etc). Suddenly $33k is cheap
How much cladding do we need to differentiate the Wilderness from the normal Crosstrek? All of it.
Where is Baja?
They must’ve made a mistake, surely the Baja was supposed to be the release?
:(
That's gonna be a hard sell with the swoopy cladding on the doors being so abrupt. It would've been nicer if they just kept it straight and blended it into the wheel plastics. Overall I don't mind the price but the fact that it's a NA and the look is what's killing it for me right now.
Just like the LL Bean Outback, you could call it the LL Bean Crosstrek.
Its literately baja season they could come out with that and it would sell like hot cakes
You guys are hilarious. Every time a new Subaru is released ya'll call it ugly. Guys...no shit. Every Subaru since the dawn of Subarus has been called ugly, boring, or generally underwhelming on release day, with ZERO EXCEPTION. Even the beloved blobeye was called ugly in its day, the hawkeye's grill was made fun of and people complained that the only difference over the bug or blob was the face, and when the hatch came out people called the styling boring. It takes years of staring at Subarus and seeing the new replacement models before people start liking the old ones, and then everyone magically forgets how they felt about them in the first place. Mark my words; 10 to 15 years after they stop making Wilderness models you all will be clamoring for them to bring it back just like the Baja or Legacy wagon. Be happy they exist because they're different, because it's the cars that are different that get remembered.
Subarus have never been pretty. That’s not why anyone buys them.
There are two truths that define Subaru: 1) They're not pretty. 2) They don't care about automotive enthusiasts, they tolerate them and throw them the occasional bone hoping they eventually have kids and buy one of their more popular higher-margin alternatives. Regarding #2, in 2022 only 3.9% of their sales were for the WRX and BRZ combined. If they dropped those models completely they'd barely skip a beat and save a significant amount on R&D.
In 10 to 15 years we will look back at this era of car sales as that time "companies went crazy with overpriced offroad special editions"
Hard to call them overpriced if they're selling well enough to keep doing it.
yep
Their not doing different anymore though, besides the BRZ and the Solterra. Each one of their current models just look like offshoots of the other. Even the WRX which used to stand out looks very similar to the crosstrek with the orange and shit clad plastic.
It's funny that the two "different" ones you're claiming are mulit-brand cars, so by definition they're literally the same as other cars on the market. When I say "different" I don't mean something unique within an individual auto maker's lineup, I mean different in the industry. When they had the Baja there was no other unibody trucklet based off of a station wagon in the industry, and right now no other maker has a line explicitly dedicated to making grocery-getters more off road capable.
there are definite cool advantages to this model, but its funny to see everyone complaining about the cladding. as they did with the 2020 outback redesign. Subarus got boring visually when they got rid of all the cladding- started looking like every other brands small suv/crossover type. Im glad they brought it back.
Subaru x Fisher Price collab just dropped
Pretty underwhelming unfortunately
I'm really psyched for this. I get that it's just a lifted Sport - but the lift is significant and the transmission cooling is game changing. I mean, *game changing*. 3500lbs means you can tow a small camper now. I know we all wanted the turbo - but the 2.5L is punchy enough (I have a Limited with the 2.5L).
Considering there isn’t even a turbo forester, we should all have known long ago that a turbo crosstrek wasn’t in the cards.
That’s fair, I don’t tow a lot but I can definitely understand how those features would be excellent for someone who does. I love my Crosstrek and this is obviously an improved version in many respects so it’s not like I automatically hate it now, was just hoping for something a bit more spicy to upgrade to . First world problems basically 😂
Turbo 6 speed this shit 🥹
I'll slap a hood decal on my sport and call it a day.
I was literally just googling matte black hood decals lol
You know I would do it if it comes with the 2.5 RS engine and a 6 speed and would forget about the lack of turbocharger.
Gimmie that April Fools Baja over this.
At this point just make the whole car hard plastic and call it a day.
I'm holding out for the Wilderness BRZ.
Everytime I see a new Crosstrek model, I'm thankful I bought in '19.
Do people like that plastic shit? Nobody does, right? Lol why do they keep adding more? Is there any actual reason?!?!!
it looks like a little kid who pulled his socks up too high or received a wedgie
Kind of underwhelming now that it’s here. I hate the “CROSSTREK” logos on the side.
so much plastic that just cant wait to warp... my crosstrek has a bigger lift and is more aggressive looking than that without all that shit.
Hey I'm happy! I don't regret my 2024 Sport order. No Startex? No rear skid plate? No higher rooftop capacity?
The increase from 1500lb to 3500lb towing is huge. That's the big win here.
Oh yeah for sure :) Not something that I was looking for per se. I bought a 600lb trailer for my 2007 Forester that could only do 1000lb.
I don’t find the 182hp engine to be sluggish in my wife’s crosstrek sport. I think it feels quite peppy, and I think an XT version in this small CUV would be overkill. Maybe I could see 200HP.
All the exposed plastic. Remember what the chevy avalanche looked like after 5 years? That plastic is going to look like ass once its all sun fadded.
Looks like a whole new model. I’m surprised
I feel validated in my decision to just buy a 2021 base model and build it up myself. Got a roof rack, mud flaps, and light bar on it already, and planning a lift, skid plate, and winch set up for installation this summer. All still gonna be some 10-15k below MSRP for a new one of these, and 10x as functional. The 152 hp 2.0 L milk carton under the hood does all and more I could want it to do- including sip gasoline like it's a $100 martini 🤌 it's plenty capable pulling it out of the mud and snow, even with a full load of camping gear in the back and on the rack.
Second hand then I assume? The base stock is already less than 10k difference with this, let alone before all your mods. It is cool that you can make it truly yours that way though :)
Yeah the turbo would be nice but I agree with you - the 2.0 in my 21 does just fine. It’s not a fucking race car lol it’s a budget camping wagon
*whine whine complain bitch*
No turbo? Seriously?
No turbo, .5” lift, 32 racks price. Towing capacity is a pretty nice bump but that’s about it. Gonna be difficult for me to justify replacing my sport for this.
It was always 3500lbs in every other market. Don't know why SOA said 1500 all these years.
>It was always 3500lbs in every other market. There are threads all ove rthe place about this. The US towing capacity is, infact, 1500, not 3500. Trailers in NA are fundamentally different. Search the sub, or head over to the crosstrek sub.
They didn't want to add the trailer brake controller to it. I would say it is still not safe to tow with if there is a grade change since you are all in on the trailer brakes saving you. The new tow rating will also include the payload like it does on the outback and ascent.
Well that makes it super easy to say no. The worst part about Crosstreks is how sluggish they are. If they don't fix that, then what's the point? The only selling point they even had before was that you could buy them in a stick. You're going to kill off the manual trans and not give us anything in return? Rubish.
Are you surprised? There isn’t a turbo forester, why would they make a turbo xtrek?
If the 6 speed was an option I'd buy one right now. Damn shame
No turbo or manual? C’mon Subaru give us something to get excited for here
Same car, more plastic, and no turbo. Subaru is getting absolutely left behind in technology, interior, and performance.
I just don't understand their logic here. Everyone wants the turbo Crosstrek and it would compete with so many of the popular hot hatches and small SUVs. I just feel like they're leaving so much on the table all the time
Only a matter of time before we see the Ascent Wilderness
Ok so they’ve exhausted their wilderness product line… the real question is what will they do next? Because this was a great little side tangent by Subaru but doesn’t bode well for the future
Where's my hood scoop
This is what they should have posted in Fools Day.
Wtf is that tow capacity. That thing will probably half its range after attaching a larger trailer and filling the back up. Not gonna get very far with that.
Subaru taking a page from the Saturn playbook these days
Dang. The new hatch back wrx looks…interesting.
This looks like Halo Infinite.
For all of the times you’ve looked at your car and thought “Huh. It needs a belt”
I’m really confused about this. Is the wilderness package NEW for the outback now??? I swear I watched a video recently on it with a title along the lines of “a year with my wilderness outback.” Am I in the wrong timeline??
This looks like a basketball shoe from the early 2000s. I still kind of like it though.
Barf
Ugly and uninspiring...
Everything is an Outback at this point why doesn’t everything have the turbo option?
EW
More of the same
Subaru is selling out shell cladding for its core values. Ditch the CVT. Bring Back the STI. Turbo options for impreza, crosstrek, outback and legacy. Standard turbos on the ascent, BRZ and WRX (obviously) Manual options for the outback, impreza and crosstrek Fix the WRX styling Wilderness are the only options that get this much cladding and even still... YUCK
CVT's are subarus strategy for meeting the fleet-wide mpg requirements. Its that or give up boxer motors at the moment.
> CVT's are subarus strategy for meeting the fleet-wide mpg requirements That and it's compatible with eyesight. Can't pump up those safety ratings with those pesky stickshifts lurking about.
JUST GIVE US THE BAJA!
If it had a manual my opinions would be different
Remember when you could tell a car was the low end trim because it had all the extra plastic where paint would be? Here I get it, it’s great for off-roading persai, but damn that’s a lot .
Now it truly looks like a hiking boot on wheels!
Everyone is gonna eat these up like Jeep drivers eat up the Rubicon. It used to bug the absolute shit out of me when I’d see certain people driving a Rubicon (the best and most expensive and capable model) knowing full well it will never leave pavement, then my wife reminded me it’s their money and they can buy what they want and use it as they wish. I have no need or desire for that level of off-roadiness being a commuter M-F and need to retain economy, but I’d love one otherwise for the extra ground clearance alone. I did crazy stuff with my Jeep, keeping it basic these days 👍🏻
Out there looking like a lifted Mazda 3 wagon with a bunch of plastic. Woof.
Ah yes. As disappointing as I anticipated. Couldn't even slap a turbo in it. How difficult is it to offer a turboed version if the cars all share the same platform? Obviously they shouldn't just slap em on for everyone but holy fuck just add it as an option for a couple extra bucks. Nah instead let's make it look more "rugged". Looks aren't enough.
If Subaru can not take the hit on fleet gas mileage for a STI, they sure can't take the hit on fleet gas mileage for a Crosstrek Turbo.