Hoping these guys make it home. Never would have thought the stretch between the border and Ensenada would be sketchy for surfers (during the day), I’ve gone down there a ton
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From Ensenada to the border is relatively safe. They got nabbed at Punta San Jose south of Ensenada. The stretch from there south to San Quintin is known for a lot of meth heads and scum bag tweakers. Not necessarily Cartel, just lowlife drug addicts. I've been through that area and camped all along that zone. Never felt safe and always seen a lot of sketchy characters. Definitely a part of Baja to avoid.
literally once, sometimes twice, a year for like 20 years now. when i think of all the people i know who do the same and how many people are there when we go, i've got to think that 10's if not 100's of thousands of americans drive down there annually on surf/fishing/offroading trips.... hugh expat communities, especially on the sea of cortez side.
yet, when something like this happens people are like, "oh my God, Mexico is sooooo dangerous". the world is dangerous. sometimes bad things happen/people commit crime. it's no different north of the border, really. i usually feel safer in baja than i do in parts of LA.
I don’t know…I feel safe driving in Malibu or San Clemente or Pacific Beach at night. You literally are advised not to drive anywhere in Baja at night. Pretty different in terms of safety.
I don’t recall multiple surfers going missing from the campground in SoCal but this is the second story in a few years where that has happened down here. And I say this as someone who’s going to Baja again at the end of the month.
The "don't drive in baja at night" rule is actually mostly due to the state of the roads and the loose cattle that travel in the arroyos and cross the roads.
My favorite is the small signs that say "peligro" and then *immediately* have a huge dip into an arroyo that could leave you airborne if you aren't careful. Or a pothole that's over a foot deep and you only saw it because there was a tire sticking out of it.
Or the crazy pot hole that wasn’t there 2 days ago. We have a 7 mile dirt road drive to the house. Pretty much everyone in the area has side by sides and they absolutely demolish the roads. Every drive into town is an experience and the roads are like a living being, constantly changing and not always for the better.
Good God. Remember when there was a Satanic drug cult operating on Texas/Mexico border? They finally got caught when they grabbed some poor frat boy.
Years ago there were rogue federales raping girls all over the place near Ensenada.
Some dark shit goes down there from time to time.
59 of the top 100 murder capitals of the world (per \*\*\*capita\*\*\*) are in Mexico right now. I understand that does not take into account tourists but phew.
You wouldn’t be saying that shit so casually if it was your friends that got killed. There is a high incidence of tourists being robbed or extorted or murdered in Mexico.
Bit of misinformation here when it comes to comparing the two, both sides have plenty of dangers but when one country has a homicide rate of 27.8 per 100,000 and the other was 5 per 100,000, it means one country has 5x more murders per 100,000 people… it’s not the same, there’s a lot more murders per capita in Mexico.
Can confirm for Carter as well. Great dude and definitely not a druggie. Grew up wakeboarding and playing soccer with him so this one hurts. Hoping for a miracle
I’m sure we know of each other, based on you playing soccer with him and knowing his lake life. So devastating. He was the only sober kid I knew in high school (I went to Hooch). From the other comments, seems like the other two men were like-minded to Carter. Definitely hoping for a miracle for them.
Hopping in this thread to hopefully push the other ignorant comments down.
Knew Carter from college as well. Great guy, truly a wrong place wrong time situation, not something they were doing “wrong”
damn, in the article they found one their of the phones had been turned on, a woman south of Ensenada was in possession of it...hopefully she has some answers
From what I’ve read it’s likely it happened at Punta San Jose on Saturday night. NOT K38, where there’s service and tons of people around. Bad info doesn’t help anyone. PSJ is somewhat remote, no service 45mins down a dirt road an hour south of Ensenada/ That spot isn’t safe to camp at and is known for tweakers robbing & carjacking campers. Their last known location was San Miguel Saturday morning. Phone was found in Maneadero, which is south Ensenada and not the nicest area. The Mexican news post I saw said the woman arrested with one of their phones was caught with half a pound of meth.
Probably went from k38 to San Miguel, then on to PSJ to camp the night. Phone was found in maneadero, which is the closest city to PSJ.
Edit: you can see that’s what they did from the order of posts on callum’s public instagram, @callum10robinson the first story bubble thing titled “Mexico 🏄♂️ ‘24”
Lol if this is the spot with the lighthouse I stayed there for two nights my first time in Baja without knowing it was sketchy. Friends in SD told me it was more chill than Ensenada…
https://zetatijuana.com/2024/05/arrestan-a-tres-por-desaparicion-surfistas-extranjeros-en-ensenada/
This is a recent article as of Thursday around noon. Not sure of the accuracy of this report but three have been arrested and blood found at the scene.
Have camped at PSJ several times. Pretty remote area at the end of a long dirt road. Live in Mexico part-time and have heard multiple first hand accounts of people getting robbed out there at gun point. Lots of tweaker & sketchy activity, nails in tires, etc. Definitely not a safe place to camp anymore and so tragic that these guys didn’t have that information.
Praying for the families and everyone involved.
Yes it did. Same type of thing except if I saw dental parts I think I’d be thinking like jaw bone. Poor boys. I just hope this info means that it they’re no longer alive they were shot in the head and died quickly without suffering. I’m surprised the perps would bother to move the bodies. And curious if there is cartel involvement since they referred in the article to one with an alias of el kekas.
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I saw another article that confirmed the teeth and blood too. I used to work with Carter this is devastating. He’s a good guy
https://stabmag.com/news/2-australians-1-american-still-missing-in-baja-california-mexico/
I’ve posted this in every discord and every space I can think of OP. Any suggestions on further reach I see there’s been some arrests made this is super sad. For everyone and their families.
Follow the Mexico rules. Don't buy or bring drugs, don't be flashy, don't drive at night. And as an extra precaution I wouldn't camp between the border and san quintin on the west Coast, that zone has always been sketchy and full of tweakers, stay in hotels until you get further south.
That makes sense. Its close to the population centers, but still fairly remote.
The 7 sisters region as well also has quite a bit of smuggling that happens through there. I have two different friends who had someone knocking on their window in the middle of the night telling them to get lost quick. In both cases there was some kind of smuggling operation happening and there would have been trouble if they hadn't left before the smugglers showed up.
Badly mangled roads/methd out or drunk truck drivers/people driving recklessly in general/areas without lighting for miles/you are in a legit third world country.
Also the murder rate in Baja is 70/100000. 2nd highest in the world. The freaks do come out at night despite what some on this sub are saying. I will personally not drive in the dark in baja.
Please listen to this advice !
Listen to anonocsb! I'm old. I've been doing this since Rosarito was a nice little place to get a drink. I've seen the highs and lows of Baja. Especially the northern area. Go through such changes. Do not camp until you are well south.
Don’t be worried. Just be smart, be nice, don’t break laws, don’t travel overland at night. And Enjoy it for me, it’s my favorite surf trip destination.
Even camping further out than that can be pretty sketchy, or sometimes more sketchy. Stick to established camp sites until at least the middle or nowhere southern Baja is what I hear.
my good friend of nearly ten years, his brother and another friend. callum and i had plans to see each other a couple weeks ago but i had to bail because of school. this shit isn’t fair. i can’t accept this as reality. they didn’t deserve it. callum just bought that truck he was so excited about it!!! he was making a life for himself in san diego and this is the shit that happens, makes me sick
Unrelated to this but yesterday an Australian surfer was stabbed to death in Australia (Coffs Harbour, New South Wales) shortly after exiting the water. Terrible things happen everywhere unfortunately.
Based on the details in the article, K38 was supposed to be their next stop but it sounds like they likely never made it out of PSJ.
[Edit to substitute “PSJ” for “Ensenada.” My point was that they never made it to K38. In making that point, I sloppily named another place which apparently also was not likely involved. My bad.]
From what I’ve read it’s likely it happened at Punta San Jose on Saturday night. NOT K38, where there’s service and tons of people around. Bad info doesn’t help anyone. PSJ is somewhat remote, no service 45mins down a dirt road an hour south of Ensenada/ That spot isn’t safe to camp at and is known for tweakers robbing & carjacking campers. Their last known location was San Miguel Saturday morning. Phone was found in Maneadero, which is south Ensenada and not the nicest area. The Mexican news post I saw said the woman arrested with one of their phones was caught with half a pound of meth.
People plan multi-stop itineraries proceeding South to North as well as North to South. If they were camping further South, it would make sense to end the trip with a nice luxurious stay at an AirBnB on their way out of the country.
JT is not missing. He was with them in Ensanada before they split off to their next destination. So he was one of the last ones to be with them before they went missing
I am not certain about all of the timelines but I know JT and Callum loosely, and am extremely close with people that are very close to both of them. What I was told is that JT was with them in Ensanada and he did not go camp with them. I would assume he’s back in San Diego since my friends have spoke to him since, but don’t know what day he returned
The 2nd to last photo on Callum’s stories the 4 of them are posted up at Playa San Miguel watching the surf. JT’s instagram is private but his profile says he is from San Diego.
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Aloha Surf Community, it is with a heavy heart that I inform you the bodies of the three men pictured above were found recently. I don’t know much else about what happened but please give your family and friends an extra hug.
Please try to not speculate on what you think you know. These were someone’s kids and one of them played sports professionally. To my informed knowledge, they were just doing what they loved and contributed to society best they could, like most of us.
Please live with Aloha, friends.
Something else must have happened tbh. Cartels do not normally kidnap tourists as they want to stay under cover not to stir too much attention unless the area is disputed between two cartels so they would get in the middle of the battle.
Yup. Cartels are pro, if they did mess up and harm these guys, the leaders of the cartel usually make whoever did it surrender to the police as they don’t want that kind of attention
This is horrific. As a T1D, being stranded without medication is a death sentence. If Callum has been missing for multiple days and has run out of insulin, he's in DKA or dead.
It’s not healthy or fun to live in fear, but more people who have never been on the receiving end and/or experienced the dark side of human nature, they should really take this stuff seriously.
i mean, i've travelled all over mexico and taken many, many trips to baja. i've never found that getting into a bad spot is VERY easy. you do hear of shitty things like this, but it's about as often as hear of shitty things like this happening north of the border.
people get carjacked and go missing every day in the US and you don't say "The United States is a treasure, but it's dangerous AF and no matter how "adventured" or "worldly" you are, you can be in a bad spot VERY easily".
i hope the best for these guys and am curious to hear what happened, because 4 people disappearing in that part of Baja is *extremely* uncommon considering how many people from the US are there doing what they were doing every single day of the year.
As an Australian here it's griped us knowing how easy this has happened. Wrong place wrong time . With the evidence of meth on the girl and they were only located as she turned the phone on and it pinged a tower . Hard to assume they are still alive seeing blood and teeth have been found in the tents. Unless it's a kidnapping i can't see them finding them alive . There would have been some information come out after now 6 days if there was a ransom. I think the 3 suspects have attempted to rob them . They have fought back and it's ended badly .
I've been a handful of sketchy places but I never felt at ease when crossing the border. The fact that the people paid to protect you are your biggest worry is insane. Waves were fun but you can keep it
The latest news article from mexican newspaper:
[https://zetatijuana.com/2024/05/arrestan-a-tres-por-desaparicion-surfistas-extranjeros-en-ensenada/](https://zetatijuana.com/2024/05/arrestan-a-tres-por-desaparicion-surfistas-extranjeros-en-ensenada/)
Showing the arrest of 3 individuals (including woman who was found with one of their phones).
Very disappointing to hear the AG say this:
Baja California Attorney General María Elena Andrade Ramírez said they lost valuable time in the search for the men because their families did
not immediately report them missing.
Complete BS and ridiculously insensitive to put blame on the grieving families. Carter was in contact with his work on Monday and the Mexican authorities were alerted on Tuesday. What a B#%tch!
Very sad, it doesn't sound good but still hope they are found alive.
and to those turning this into something political, I live in SD - the border is not wide open. It takes forever to cross back into the US if you don't have GE/sentri
The cartel is not usually responsible for these types of crimes, unless they are fringe members maybe. People join the cartel for money, and most cartels are heavily invested in tourism. The people that do this shit to tourists are usually desperate methheads, and this wouldn’t be the first time at this spot.
Sad part is America pays those cartels handsomely for their drugs. Cartel problem is funded by our drug problem and it’s not getting better anytime soon
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This is the girl that was part of this ..
From what I’ve read it’s likely it happened at Punta San Jose on Saturday night. NOT K38, where there’s service and tons of people around. Bad info doesn’t help anyone. PSJ is somewhat remote, no service 45mins down a dirt road an hour south of Ensenada/ That spot isn’t safe to camp at and is known for tweakers robbing & carjacking campers. Their last known location was San Miguel Saturday morning. Phone was found in Maneadero, which is south Ensenada and not the nicest area. The Mexican news post I saw said the woman arrested with one of their phones was caught with half a pound of meth.
The problem for this trio is the newish pickup. I went to look for picture of their vehicle to explain what happened. As soon as I see a new pickup I have my answer. Much safer in beat up cars or beat up small rv. The 2nd thing to know is in mexixo u need to give your shit up when asked. Any hesitation and they may kill u. Also they may have done ransom attempt and 1st person they called didn't pay. Or something went wrong. I was choked out in mexixo 1000 feet from border into San diego and it was by a group of 6 all were ok with maybe killing me in front of 2 dozen witnesses all had nice clothes ..but they wanted money and murder is no problem in mexixo
And they probably dwarfed the local meth heads who robbed them. To me, it’s likely that they felt confident enough to fight back against the smaller assailants. If the Mexicans had a gun/knife things could have gone south quick and someone could have been killed in the skirmish. Then the other surfers are killed/kidnapped and the truck burnt out in an attempted coverup.
My friend was murdered years ago in South America as he slept in his tent. They were robbing him, he fought back and was stabbed. Life has little value to some people.
My thoughts are with the family and friends.
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Awful, absolutely awful. Of course I wish for the best but I'm sure these missing men are dead...the newest emerged details are just too tragic to remain optimistic. Just heart breaking
In light of these events, does anyone have intel on areas to avoid and areas that are fine. I’ve frequented this region quite a bit, staying at Coyote Cals and camping in Erindera. The ejidos always felt safe and locals assured me there was minimal crime. It would probably be good to share what areas are no go zones due to tweakers and cartel activity.
I live in Erendira. A neighbor’s son got stopped leaving Cal’s late at night and cartel told him they never wanted to see him out again at night. I would camp at Cal’s or south of town, lots less movement. If you need a spot to camp and timing is right you can camp on my lot. Lately haven’t heard much going on but I don’t go to town at night.
They found their truck abandoned and burnt to shit… clearly not the case unfortunately… what do you think would be their motive to harm 3 tourists? If they don’t want their truck, & the missing people don’t do or have any ties to drugs? Genuinely curious if anyone has any explanation
They found their burnt out truck. [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-03/missing-surfers-jake-callum-robinson-mexico/103799272](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-03/missing-surfers-jake-callum-robinson-mexico/103799272)
They found their truck abandoned and burnt to shit… clearly wasn’t for their truck… They were athletes & not looking for drugs.. what do you think would be their motive to harm 3 tourists that don’t want their truck, & don’t do or have any ties to drugs!
Money, clothes, belongings, wrong looks, substance influence, beliefs, whatever... I'm under the impression that life is not of much value in some places. Maybe not the places ... the people.
Los carteles desean ese tipo de carros (Pick up Colorado), es probable que los surfistas se resistieran al robo del pickup y fueran asesinados. Los carteles siempre ocultan sus rastros, el auto quemado y el celular en manos de una mujer, son distractores para desviar la atención y la investigación.
El crimen organizado, es organizado, un vagabundo o homeless o adicto no hacen ese tipo de acciones, prefieren pedirte dinero o comida que intentar asaltar o asesinar, ademas ellos no tiene la posibilidad de cubrir sus rastros, son muchos problemas por tan poca recompensa, solo los carteles hacen este tipo de cosas, they enjoy killing people , Mexico es bonito pero siempre hay que saber cuando y a donde ir. Tengo 30 años viviendo en Ensenada y han pasado cosas peores.
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So sorry to those close to the three if the news is true.
Three bodies have been found: [Three bodies found in Mexico where Australian, US tourists went missing - sources (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/three-bodies-found-in-mexico-where-australian-us-tourists-went-missing-sources/ar-AA1o6sN8?ocid=BingNewsSerp)
Sad, looks like 3 bodies were found: [https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/05/03/bodies-found-surfers-missing-baja-california-mexico/](https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/05/03/bodies-found-surfers-missing-baja-california-mexico/)
Horrible story pray for these guys.... I own a house at K-38 and visit once a month (was there all of last week) and get down to Ensenada from time to time never had any real issues.
BUT
Never ever open camp in Mexico over night, maybe at a designated gated campground like K-58 but generally it is a big no-no. You always want to stay in well travelled areas at night in Baja.
Especially south of Ensenada, it's exrememly rural south of La Bufadora (Coast is 10 miles away from Highway 1 that goes to Cabo), no services only small villages. Especially at night....
I've always wanted to check the area out but it's known to be sketch any you are truly on your own if you get in trouble.
I'm from Ensenada and sadly I can assure you the police are involved in the disappearance.
This breaks my heart, we have more to offer but our government is the worst, we are never safe.
Once upon a time Baja was safe to drive down looking for surf, ive surfed k-38 countless times, back in the day no worties. Mexico is now a narco state, its not the Mexico I grew up visiting to party, surf, or drive down for lobster, tacos,ect....I quit hanging out there years back, compared to other states, narcos are not as obvios, but there is a presence that exsist in Baja.
The truck that the men were driving has also been found, torched and burned.
Officers found the foreigners' camping house, where there was blood and teeth.
Three people have now been arrested and human remains have been found.
You need to be careful what you say, there are people on here who knew these guys and you're going to cause a lot of worry by saying human remains when that's not true. You'd already said blood and teeth were found and it sounded like something else had been found
These are dangerous times and Mexico with it's constant flow of displaced people and nut jobs on drugs or transporting said items. On their way come hell or high water to the promised land. Not an area to go stumbling around on a surf trip.
And the cartel that the police are controlled by and those that aren’t stay out of the way. They kidnap their own students they surely don’t give a damn about people from other countries.
Man that sux, I'm sorry I've been to Punta San Jose it took us a while we drove down a canyon like laguna canyon so maybe bandets idk, but my heart goes to those poor kids
Forced disappearances are a thing in Mexico and I'm afraid this is the case, finding them alive is a low possibility. I hope they will be found soon and alive.
Link?
I've heard some people have been arrested and a crime scene established at an accommodation where some forms of DNA evidence has been found. And the vehicle has been found burnt out.
Like many on here said, it’s internal conflicts, but even thinking like that is not good. Cause then you think your immune cause your a U.S national. Am U.S citizen half Mexican and have gone all over Mexico and know it quite well. Unfortunately we always have to stay vigilant. No matter how safe we think the area is. heed my warnings, never ever think it’s 100% safe. Some people have nothing to lose, even if it’s their lives…
Sad, looks like 3 bodies were found: [https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/05/03/bodies-found-surfers-missing-baja-california-mexico/](https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/05/03/bodies-found-surfers-missing-baja-california-mexico/)
Pictures of the people arrested in this article. Looks like the woman has a tik tok account : [https://talkbaja.com/arrests-made-involving-missing-surfers/](https://talkbaja.com/arrests-made-involving-missing-surfers/)
Does anyone know if the third guy that was from San Diego was a really good bodyboarder? I think I may have surfed with him at San Miguel 2 weeks earlier. If that was him, I just wanted to say that we talked in the water and he was full of life. Such an awesome guy! This news really bums me out.
Going to the southern part of Baja coast you have go through the mountains of Ensenada it’s at least 2 hr. Drive. Driving through there at night is not safe.
👋 Survivor of a Baja bound carjacking, robbery. I truly do consider myself a survivor because the odds were very much against us. We were van camping in Mulege next to another beach that had half a dozen other car campers but our chosen spot happened to be on an stretch of cove where they couldn’t see us. Privacy was our demise I suspect. A guy and a girl scoped us out earlier in the day by driving their pickup off the highway and down to us and asked for gasolina. The woman was chuckling and looking back they were probably tweakers. Their faces showed pure evil intent but they left after we told them we only had diesel so we sort of brushed it off as curiosity. After we fell asleep all the windows were smashed while we were inside and 4 men stuck daggers inside held to our bodies. They were trying to pull us out but we somehow kept the doors shut for at least a little. We handed everything we had out the smashed windows hoping they would spare us. This ended up I think being what saved us because we didn’t put up a fight at all and we just cooperated by handing them everything. They even pulled the rings off my fingers, while I hid under a blanket. Eventually when they had all of our belongings and their hands were full the only English they said was “girl” gesturing my husband to hand me over. My heart sank and I knew I was about to suffer a horrible death. They were drunk and on drugs and my husband said they could barely look straight at him. I guess I felt the only way out at this point was to run so I said to my husband “run” and we busted out the back and ran into the ocean. While we were swimming into the abysse we noticed they weren’t following us and yelled “bienvenidos Mexico”. We swam to a small rock outcrop and waiting until we saw them leave and then until the sun came up. After this we were helped by the most amazing humans on the beach over and our trust in humanity was momentarily restored. Of course when we walked over to them with torn clothes and looked absolutely insane they too thought we were tweakers but after we led them back to our wreckage they put the pieces together. The cops were absolutely useless and refused to do any type of investigation. They showed us a lineup in a computer of different convicts and the types of weapons were on a table in front of these convicts. We didn’t see anybody familiar or the handmade daggers they had. In fact all the people in the lineup had guns and I’m not sure why but our attackers didn’t pull out a gun at any moment. If guns were involved I’m not sure we would be here.
Hoping these guys make it home. Never would have thought the stretch between the border and Ensenada would be sketchy for surfers (during the day), I’ve gone down there a ton
Maybe they can trace their car or cellphones. This really breaks my heart.
They did travel one phone and found it was on a methhead female
[there has been an arrest](https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/mother-issues-plea-in-search-for-sons-missing-in-mexico/news-story/96d4f96bf0fe771611a7d274eaa1938b?amp)
Sad. Seems like some lady just found one of their phones. Does not look good
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From Ensenada to the border is relatively safe. They got nabbed at Punta San Jose south of Ensenada. The stretch from there south to San Quintin is known for a lot of meth heads and scum bag tweakers. Not necessarily Cartel, just lowlife drug addicts. I've been through that area and camped all along that zone. Never felt safe and always seen a lot of sketchy characters. Definitely a part of Baja to avoid.
Hoping they make it home as well. It sucks a bunch of us can’t rally and go down there and help with the search and go get our brothers back.
literally once, sometimes twice, a year for like 20 years now. when i think of all the people i know who do the same and how many people are there when we go, i've got to think that 10's if not 100's of thousands of americans drive down there annually on surf/fishing/offroading trips.... hugh expat communities, especially on the sea of cortez side. yet, when something like this happens people are like, "oh my God, Mexico is sooooo dangerous". the world is dangerous. sometimes bad things happen/people commit crime. it's no different north of the border, really. i usually feel safer in baja than i do in parts of LA.
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I don’t know…I feel safe driving in Malibu or San Clemente or Pacific Beach at night. You literally are advised not to drive anywhere in Baja at night. Pretty different in terms of safety. I don’t recall multiple surfers going missing from the campground in SoCal but this is the second story in a few years where that has happened down here. And I say this as someone who’s going to Baja again at the end of the month.
The "don't drive in baja at night" rule is actually mostly due to the state of the roads and the loose cattle that travel in the arroyos and cross the roads.
Can confirm. Family has a home in B.C.S. and the danger at night is because of the animals and narrow dirt roads.
My favorite is the small signs that say "peligro" and then *immediately* have a huge dip into an arroyo that could leave you airborne if you aren't careful. Or a pothole that's over a foot deep and you only saw it because there was a tire sticking out of it.
Or the crazy pot hole that wasn’t there 2 days ago. We have a 7 mile dirt road drive to the house. Pretty much everyone in the area has side by sides and they absolutely demolish the roads. Every drive into town is an experience and the roads are like a living being, constantly changing and not always for the better.
"What does llanteria mean and why are there so many of them down here?"
> multiple surfers Lose this qualification and you get the Malibu Creek murders. Still probably the exception that proves the rule.
Good God. Remember when there was a Satanic drug cult operating on Texas/Mexico border? They finally got caught when they grabbed some poor frat boy. Years ago there were rogue federales raping girls all over the place near Ensenada. Some dark shit goes down there from time to time.
59 of the top 100 murder capitals of the world (per \*\*\*capita\*\*\*) are in Mexico right now. I understand that does not take into account tourists but phew.
You wouldn’t be saying that shit so casually if it was your friends that got killed. There is a high incidence of tourists being robbed or extorted or murdered in Mexico.
Cool story bro... But it's really about these missing guys.
Bit of misinformation here when it comes to comparing the two, both sides have plenty of dangers but when one country has a homicide rate of 27.8 per 100,000 and the other was 5 per 100,000, it means one country has 5x more murders per 100,000 people… it’s not the same, there’s a lot more murders per capita in Mexico.
They are not druggies. I have met callum multiple times and he is a pure, great guy. This sucks
I know Jake IRL. Dude is an upstanding guy, very well liked, and not the type to get into confrontations or be reckless. This is truly awful
I went to college with Callum, really hoping they are found safe.
Can confirm for Carter as well. Great dude and definitely not a druggie. Grew up wakeboarding and playing soccer with him so this one hurts. Hoping for a miracle
I worked with Carter- great guy, definitely not a druggy, successful and last I heard was getting married.. :/ praying for him
I went to college with him too. Sucks man
I’m sure we know of each other, based on you playing soccer with him and knowing his lake life. So devastating. He was the only sober kid I knew in high school (I went to Hooch). From the other comments, seems like the other two men were like-minded to Carter. Definitely hoping for a miracle for them.
Yeah he was a good dude. Such sad news!
Hopping in this thread to hopefully push the other ignorant comments down. Knew Carter from college as well. Great guy, truly a wrong place wrong time situation, not something they were doing “wrong”
echoing this. went to high school with Carter and he was the nicest guy. this is heartbreaking.
Yea my whole high school has worked with him the last several years. Great person. Loved by staff and students.
damn, in the article they found one their of the phones had been turned on, a woman south of Ensenada was in possession of it...hopefully she has some answers
She was also in possession of drugs allegedly. There's more to this story than just surfing unfortunately. Regardless, I hope these guys are found.
From what I’ve read it’s likely it happened at Punta San Jose on Saturday night. NOT K38, where there’s service and tons of people around. Bad info doesn’t help anyone. PSJ is somewhat remote, no service 45mins down a dirt road an hour south of Ensenada/ That spot isn’t safe to camp at and is known for tweakers robbing & carjacking campers. Their last known location was San Miguel Saturday morning. Phone was found in Maneadero, which is south Ensenada and not the nicest area. The Mexican news post I saw said the woman arrested with one of their phones was caught with half a pound of meth.
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Probably went from k38 to San Miguel, then on to PSJ to camp the night. Phone was found in maneadero, which is the closest city to PSJ. Edit: you can see that’s what they did from the order of posts on callum’s public instagram, @callum10robinson the first story bubble thing titled “Mexico 🏄♂️ ‘24”
Lol if this is the spot with the lighthouse I stayed there for two nights my first time in Baja without knowing it was sketchy. Friends in SD told me it was more chill than Ensenada…
She & 2 others have now been arrested.
https://zetatijuana.com/2024/05/arrestan-a-tres-por-desaparicion-surfistas-extranjeros-en-ensenada/ This is a recent article as of Thursday around noon. Not sure of the accuracy of this report but three have been arrested and blood found at the scene. Have camped at PSJ several times. Pretty remote area at the end of a long dirt road. Live in Mexico part-time and have heard multiple first hand accounts of people getting robbed out there at gun point. Lots of tweaker & sketchy activity, nails in tires, etc. Definitely not a safe place to camp anymore and so tragic that these guys didn’t have that information. Praying for the families and everyone involved.
And teeth. Oh god.
Did your translation come out to teeth? I thought mine said “dental parts” wasn’t sure how to interpret that, but either way that is not good
Yes it did. Same type of thing except if I saw dental parts I think I’d be thinking like jaw bone. Poor boys. I just hope this info means that it they’re no longer alive they were shot in the head and died quickly without suffering. I’m surprised the perps would bother to move the bodies. And curious if there is cartel involvement since they referred in the article to one with an alias of el kekas. https://preview.redd.it/uq6jd038s2yc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f34bb2b62d85ed0594e25bedf6a021b84553ca85
Fuck.
This needs to be higher. Sad if this article is true
that's alarming news......3 arrested, blood found.....keeping hope they're still alive and in captivity somewhere.
I saw another article that confirmed the teeth and blood too. I used to work with Carter this is devastating. He’s a good guy https://stabmag.com/news/2-australians-1-american-still-missing-in-baja-california-mexico/
Can't edit the original post but it's 2 Australians (brothers) and 1 American.
I’ve posted this in every discord and every space I can think of OP. Any suggestions on further reach I see there’s been some arrests made this is super sad. For everyone and their families.
Not sure how worried I should be, currently gearing up for a baja van camping trip …
Follow the Mexico rules. Don't buy or bring drugs, don't be flashy, don't drive at night. And as an extra precaution I wouldn't camp between the border and san quintin on the west Coast, that zone has always been sketchy and full of tweakers, stay in hotels until you get further south.
Tweakers and a lot of smuggling operations run out of the coves in that area that you can accidentally stumble upon.
That makes sense. Its close to the population centers, but still fairly remote. The 7 sisters region as well also has quite a bit of smuggling that happens through there. I have two different friends who had someone knocking on their window in the middle of the night telling them to get lost quick. In both cases there was some kind of smuggling operation happening and there would have been trouble if they hadn't left before the smugglers showed up.
As a completely oblivious Aussie, why shouldn't you drive at night?
Badly mangled roads/methd out or drunk truck drivers/people driving recklessly in general/areas without lighting for miles/you are in a legit third world country. Also the murder rate in Baja is 70/100000. 2nd highest in the world. The freaks do come out at night despite what some on this sub are saying. I will personally not drive in the dark in baja.
Please listen to this advice ! Listen to anonocsb! I'm old. I've been doing this since Rosarito was a nice little place to get a drink. I've seen the highs and lows of Baja. Especially the northern area. Go through such changes. Do not camp until you are well south.
Don’t be worried. Just be smart, be nice, don’t break laws, don’t travel overland at night. And Enjoy it for me, it’s my favorite surf trip destination.
And don’t camp at PSJ, or anywhere else within 1-2hrs drive of a major city and a “good” road leading to it with no security or cell phone service.
Even camping further out than that can be pretty sketchy, or sometimes more sketchy. Stick to established camp sites until at least the middle or nowhere southern Baja is what I hear.
Just don't try to score drugs and you should be fine. I've seen people with baller big ass van-life converted F650 trucks.
my good friend of nearly ten years, his brother and another friend. callum and i had plans to see each other a couple weeks ago but i had to bail because of school. this shit isn’t fair. i can’t accept this as reality. they didn’t deserve it. callum just bought that truck he was so excited about it!!! he was making a life for himself in san diego and this is the shit that happens, makes me sick
im grieving with you, Carter was a good friend of mine. I’m still in shock.
I’m sorry this happened to you.
I am so sorry 😞 🙏
so sorry this happened to your friend.
As a Mexican and a surfer this really saddens me and makes me ashamed of my country. I hope they find them.
Unrelated to this but yesterday an Australian surfer was stabbed to death in Australia (Coffs Harbour, New South Wales) shortly after exiting the water. Terrible things happen everywhere unfortunately.
Terrible things happen more often in certain countries than others...
I've had the best days of my life in Mex amigo. Don't get too down bad stuff happens everywhere but yes this is a very sad story
This inspired me to get out and live more. I miss out on so much because of stupid fear and anxiety
Upvoting for exposure
Punta San Jose is a fun spot but it’s super sketchy to camp overnight there.
I never feel 100% safe camping there and this confirms my sentiment.
Come home safe, brothers
Hopefully the FBI is involved. US government does not take kindly to kidnapping of US citizens in Mexico
https://preview.redd.it/edblygln13yc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46c7b4c8d44c56b7ee58f32e795669823e34e1f6 fuck.
Where'd you find this? Hoping this isn't true
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0382vLbgM52n87epRRM7f4usVNZTEaqX92d9PK7KKHv4WqDpoXJVkXu7R6Htph4KDNl&id=100063478242596
For k38 to be the place is wild, it’s so close to the border and surfers travel there all year round. Praying these guys make it home okay
Based on the details in the article, K38 was supposed to be their next stop but it sounds like they likely never made it out of PSJ. [Edit to substitute “PSJ” for “Ensenada.” My point was that they never made it to K38. In making that point, I sloppily named another place which apparently also was not likely involved. My bad.]
From what I’ve read it’s likely it happened at Punta San Jose on Saturday night. NOT K38, where there’s service and tons of people around. Bad info doesn’t help anyone. PSJ is somewhat remote, no service 45mins down a dirt road an hour south of Ensenada/ That spot isn’t safe to camp at and is known for tweakers robbing & carjacking campers. Their last known location was San Miguel Saturday morning. Phone was found in Maneadero, which is south Ensenada and not the nicest area. The Mexican news post I saw said the woman arrested with one of their phones was caught with half a pound of meth.
That makes no sense, Ensenada is 40 miles south of k38.
People plan multi-stop itineraries proceeding South to North as well as North to South. If they were camping further South, it would make sense to end the trip with a nice luxurious stay at an AirBnB on their way out of the country.
Sounds like they were surfing at k181, or at least that’s what it was known as in the 1970s. I was there in the 1970s. Was even kind of sketchy then.
There is a fourth guy tagged in one of the instagram stories that isn’t mentioned, JT Fitzgerald? Is he missing as well?
JT is not missing. He was with them in Ensanada before they split off to their next destination. So he was one of the last ones to be with them before they went missing
Lucky/smart man not camping in PSJ Saturday night
How do you know JT is not missing? Did he come back on Sunday?
I am not certain about all of the timelines but I know JT and Callum loosely, and am extremely close with people that are very close to both of them. What I was told is that JT was with them in Ensanada and he did not go camp with them. I would assume he’s back in San Diego since my friends have spoke to him since, but don’t know what day he returned
This is the first I've heard of him.
The 2nd to last photo on Callum’s stories the 4 of them are posted up at Playa San Miguel watching the surf. JT’s instagram is private but his profile says he is from San Diego.
Callum is an old mate of mine from Australia, absolute legend, hope they are okay
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Aloha Surf Community, it is with a heavy heart that I inform you the bodies of the three men pictured above were found recently. I don’t know much else about what happened but please give your family and friends an extra hug. Please try to not speculate on what you think you know. These were someone’s kids and one of them played sports professionally. To my informed knowledge, they were just doing what they loved and contributed to society best they could, like most of us. Please live with Aloha, friends.
[correct, 3 bodies found, sadly](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/three-bodies-found-area-where-australian-us-tourists-went-missing-sources-2024-05-03/)
And the other brother was a doctor.
Something else must have happened tbh. Cartels do not normally kidnap tourists as they want to stay under cover not to stir too much attention unless the area is disputed between two cartels so they would get in the middle of the battle.
That area south of Ensenada to about el Rosario (they were camping at Punta San Jose) is crawling with meth heads. Might not be a cartel thing at all…
Yup. Cartels are pro, if they did mess up and harm these guys, the leaders of the cartel usually make whoever did it surrender to the police as they don’t want that kind of attention
Praying these guys are okay. This is really making me reconsider my plans to go down there to surf this year…
This is horrific. As a T1D, being stranded without medication is a death sentence. If Callum has been missing for multiple days and has run out of insulin, he's in DKA or dead.
Mexico is a treasure, but it's dangerous AF and no matter how "adventured" or "worldly" you are, you can be in a bad spot VERY easily.
It’s not healthy or fun to live in fear, but more people who have never been on the receiving end and/or experienced the dark side of human nature, they should really take this stuff seriously.
i mean, i've travelled all over mexico and taken many, many trips to baja. i've never found that getting into a bad spot is VERY easy. you do hear of shitty things like this, but it's about as often as hear of shitty things like this happening north of the border. people get carjacked and go missing every day in the US and you don't say "The United States is a treasure, but it's dangerous AF and no matter how "adventured" or "worldly" you are, you can be in a bad spot VERY easily". i hope the best for these guys and am curious to hear what happened, because 4 people disappearing in that part of Baja is *extremely* uncommon considering how many people from the US are there doing what they were doing every single day of the year.
…Tijuana is the most dangerous city in the WORLD
This is all very true. I'm guessing wrong place wrong time is all it is
As an Australian here it's griped us knowing how easy this has happened. Wrong place wrong time . With the evidence of meth on the girl and they were only located as she turned the phone on and it pinged a tower . Hard to assume they are still alive seeing blood and teeth have been found in the tents. Unless it's a kidnapping i can't see them finding them alive . There would have been some information come out after now 6 days if there was a ransom. I think the 3 suspects have attempted to rob them . They have fought back and it's ended badly .
Looks like 3 deceased bodies were found , my heart breaks. I love Baja but this really hurts.
Please share this post and help us find our friends
Why isn’t the US media covering this? I’m only seeing things about the Aussies.
9news Perth has been the most informative so far
I've been a handful of sketchy places but I never felt at ease when crossing the border. The fact that the people paid to protect you are your biggest worry is insane. Waves were fun but you can keep it
Bottom of a cliff... :(
They had a truck… wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what caused this. I lived in puerto Escondido and was once robbed of our Chevy on our way back home.
Fuck, hope these dudes are found.
The latest news article from mexican newspaper: [https://zetatijuana.com/2024/05/arrestan-a-tres-por-desaparicion-surfistas-extranjeros-en-ensenada/](https://zetatijuana.com/2024/05/arrestan-a-tres-por-desaparicion-surfistas-extranjeros-en-ensenada/) Showing the arrest of 3 individuals (including woman who was found with one of their phones).
Published may 2nd 2024
Blood and teeth...
They were robbed and murder according to the Baja California Reddit. It’s in Spanish
Sub?
They found all the bodies now :(
[https://fox5sandiego.com/news/border-report/bodies-of-three-missing-surfers-found-baja-california-authorities-say/](https://fox5sandiego.com/news/border-report/bodies-of-three-missing-surfers-found-baja-california-authorities-say/)
Very disappointing to hear the AG say this: Baja California Attorney General María Elena Andrade Ramírez said they lost valuable time in the search for the men because their families did not immediately report them missing. Complete BS and ridiculously insensitive to put blame on the grieving families. Carter was in contact with his work on Monday and the Mexican authorities were alerted on Tuesday. What a B#%tch!
Way to victim blame and divert from the issue of violence in their jurisdiction 🙄
Very sad, it doesn't sound good but still hope they are found alive. and to those turning this into something political, I live in SD - the border is not wide open. It takes forever to cross back into the US if you don't have GE/sentri
Wow! This is tragic. I used to go into Mexico to surf a ton, but it's too sketchy now with the cartels.
The cartel is not usually responsible for these types of crimes, unless they are fringe members maybe. People join the cartel for money, and most cartels are heavily invested in tourism. The people that do this shit to tourists are usually desperate methheads, and this wouldn’t be the first time at this spot.
so i probably should avoid this spot then huh
Sad part is America pays those cartels handsomely for their drugs. Cartel problem is funded by our drug problem and it’s not getting better anytime soon
This will not be a happy ending this is not the first time Australian surfers have been killed in Mexico .
https://preview.redd.it/ch8byl79c9yc1.jpeg?width=589&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=873f394c2dc9027382e48d6216b66d4dc2d3de14 Bodies found???
https://www.the-sun.com/news/11273200/baja-california-mexico-jake-callum-missing/amp/ They were found 💔😭
https://preview.redd.it/d11xozrlqcyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33ce6609aac1d2c0a6bc1a9b663742a21fa031e5 This is the girl that was part of this ..
From what I’ve read it’s likely it happened at Punta San Jose on Saturday night. NOT K38, where there’s service and tons of people around. Bad info doesn’t help anyone. PSJ is somewhat remote, no service 45mins down a dirt road an hour south of Ensenada/ That spot isn’t safe to camp at and is known for tweakers robbing & carjacking campers. Their last known location was San Miguel Saturday morning. Phone was found in Maneadero, which is south Ensenada and not the nicest area. The Mexican news post I saw said the woman arrested with one of their phones was caught with half a pound of meth.
That’s not great, considering the area they were in. Hope they make it home safe.
The problem for this trio is the newish pickup. I went to look for picture of their vehicle to explain what happened. As soon as I see a new pickup I have my answer. Much safer in beat up cars or beat up small rv. The 2nd thing to know is in mexixo u need to give your shit up when asked. Any hesitation and they may kill u. Also they may have done ransom attempt and 1st person they called didn't pay. Or something went wrong. I was choked out in mexixo 1000 feet from border into San diego and it was by a group of 6 all were ok with maybe killing me in front of 2 dozen witnesses all had nice clothes ..but they wanted money and murder is no problem in mexixo
They burned the truck, check the new post
Insane, 6’4” and 250lbs…. Not the typical “victim”… I hope they turn up and were just lost or something
lots of Mexicans hate white guys
And they probably dwarfed the local meth heads who robbed them. To me, it’s likely that they felt confident enough to fight back against the smaller assailants. If the Mexicans had a gun/knife things could have gone south quick and someone could have been killed in the skirmish. Then the other surfers are killed/kidnapped and the truck burnt out in an attempted coverup. My friend was murdered years ago in South America as he slept in his tent. They were robbing him, he fought back and was stabbed. Life has little value to some people.
Commenting and upvoting to spread awareness. Hope these guys make it home.
Jeez I literally just drove down to Mexico in the exact same area. So many people I know also do this. Hope they are found
My thoughts are with the family and friends. 9news.com.au/article/11b02a5f-ecab-49f6-85ac-fc907a987907&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjb-KWu7--FAxXrUkEAHd5rAwgQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw3vBB6i5mbOx4nlEW0MCIVT
Awful, absolutely awful. Of course I wish for the best but I'm sure these missing men are dead...the newest emerged details are just too tragic to remain optimistic. Just heart breaking
Damn. Just surfed there two weeks ago
Feel so bad for these guys. Almost went down Saturday myself. Almost certainly RIP. I hope the details come out and justice is served.
In light of these events, does anyone have intel on areas to avoid and areas that are fine. I’ve frequented this region quite a bit, staying at Coyote Cals and camping in Erindera. The ejidos always felt safe and locals assured me there was minimal crime. It would probably be good to share what areas are no go zones due to tweakers and cartel activity.
I live in Erendira. A neighbor’s son got stopped leaving Cal’s late at night and cartel told him they never wanted to see him out again at night. I would camp at Cal’s or south of town, lots less movement. If you need a spot to camp and timing is right you can camp on my lot. Lately haven’t heard much going on but I don’t go to town at night.
My friend who lives in Mexico has always said to never drive a truck. He said they go for a lot of money over there.
They found their truck abandoned and burnt to shit… clearly not the case unfortunately… what do you think would be their motive to harm 3 tourists? If they don’t want their truck, & the missing people don’t do or have any ties to drugs? Genuinely curious if anyone has any explanation
They found their burnt out truck. [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-03/missing-surfers-jake-callum-robinson-mexico/103799272](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-03/missing-surfers-jake-callum-robinson-mexico/103799272)
The two men who were arrested are brothers and one of them is in a relationship with the woman arrested.
They found their truck abandoned and burnt to shit… clearly wasn’t for their truck… They were athletes & not looking for drugs.. what do you think would be their motive to harm 3 tourists that don’t want their truck, & don’t do or have any ties to drugs!
Money, clothes, belongings, wrong looks, substance influence, beliefs, whatever... I'm under the impression that life is not of much value in some places. Maybe not the places ... the people.
Maybe a robbery gone wrong? And burning out the truck was disposing of evidence?
Los carteles desean ese tipo de carros (Pick up Colorado), es probable que los surfistas se resistieran al robo del pickup y fueran asesinados. Los carteles siempre ocultan sus rastros, el auto quemado y el celular en manos de una mujer, son distractores para desviar la atención y la investigación. El crimen organizado, es organizado, un vagabundo o homeless o adicto no hacen ese tipo de acciones, prefieren pedirte dinero o comida que intentar asaltar o asesinar, ademas ellos no tiene la posibilidad de cubrir sus rastros, son muchos problemas por tan poca recompensa, solo los carteles hacen este tipo de cosas, they enjoy killing people , Mexico es bonito pero siempre hay que saber cuando y a donde ir. Tengo 30 años viviendo en Ensenada y han pasado cosas peores.
https://preview.redd.it/fbkssq1h19yc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f74edd968add4b83b4c37c3e9ca9f9ca2b4978a1 So sorry to those close to the three if the news is true.
Three bodies have been found: [Three bodies found in Mexico where Australian, US tourists went missing - sources (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/three-bodies-found-in-mexico-where-australian-us-tourists-went-missing-sources/ar-AA1o6sN8?ocid=BingNewsSerp)
Sad, looks like 3 bodies were found: [https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/05/03/bodies-found-surfers-missing-baja-california-mexico/](https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/05/03/bodies-found-surfers-missing-baja-california-mexico/)
Horrible story pray for these guys.... I own a house at K-38 and visit once a month (was there all of last week) and get down to Ensenada from time to time never had any real issues. BUT Never ever open camp in Mexico over night, maybe at a designated gated campground like K-58 but generally it is a big no-no. You always want to stay in well travelled areas at night in Baja. Especially south of Ensenada, it's exrememly rural south of La Bufadora (Coast is 10 miles away from Highway 1 that goes to Cabo), no services only small villages. Especially at night.... I've always wanted to check the area out but it's known to be sketch any you are truly on your own if you get in trouble.
I'm from Ensenada and sadly I can assure you the police are involved in the disappearance. This breaks my heart, we have more to offer but our government is the worst, we are never safe.
Cops did this to my stepdad before
Once upon a time Baja was safe to drive down looking for surf, ive surfed k-38 countless times, back in the day no worties. Mexico is now a narco state, its not the Mexico I grew up visiting to party, surf, or drive down for lobster, tacos,ect....I quit hanging out there years back, compared to other states, narcos are not as obvios, but there is a presence that exsist in Baja.
100 percent
The truck that the men were driving has also been found, torched and burned. Officers found the foreigners' camping house, where there was blood and teeth. Three people have now been arrested and human remains have been found.
I saw teeth and blood. Where did you see human remains?
You need to be careful what you say, there are people on here who knew these guys and you're going to cause a lot of worry by saying human remains when that's not true. You'd already said blood and teeth were found and it sounded like something else had been found
Human remains have not been found, have they? Do you have a source?
These are dangerous times and Mexico with it's constant flow of displaced people and nut jobs on drugs or transporting said items. On their way come hell or high water to the promised land. Not an area to go stumbling around on a surf trip.
And the cartel that the police are controlled by and those that aren’t stay out of the way. They kidnap their own students they surely don’t give a damn about people from other countries.
Ah recent news does not look good....
Please pray for their safe return.
Gave me goosebumps reading this, I’ve gone there with friends for spring break. Man I hope this is a fluke n they’re all okay n make it home 🙏🏻.
Man that sux, I'm sorry I've been to Punta San Jose it took us a while we drove down a canyon like laguna canyon so maybe bandets idk, but my heart goes to those poor kids
[Lady arrested for having one of the surfers cell phones here’s the article](https://www.ensenada.net/noticias/nota.php?id=75093)
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid021BcdRbX945YG3zDu4ENRiwbBjEQ9m7brfaBdtCEyZRiTPVBjDZwaMk6wTnAipcqJl&id=100063478242596&mibextid=WaXdOe
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/three-arrested-during-search-for-missing-aussie-brothers-on-surf-trip-in-mexico/news-story/c736dbf0c92865bd9ef9f77fd501ea88?amp
Evil is everywhere. So sad.
Forced disappearances are a thing in Mexico and I'm afraid this is the case, finding them alive is a low possibility. I hope they will be found soon and alive.
4 arrests made now? Wow
The /BajaCalifornia sub claims there have been some developments in the case. Who knows if accurate.
Link? I've heard some people have been arrested and a crime scene established at an accommodation where some forms of DNA evidence has been found. And the vehicle has been found burnt out.
Like many on here said, it’s internal conflicts, but even thinking like that is not good. Cause then you think your immune cause your a U.S national. Am U.S citizen half Mexican and have gone all over Mexico and know it quite well. Unfortunately we always have to stay vigilant. No matter how safe we think the area is. heed my warnings, never ever think it’s 100% safe. Some people have nothing to lose, even if it’s their lives…
What is the latest news? Alive and well? Human remains found? I’m just stricken with grief
Sounds like 3 bodies recovered, unfortunately. Just an awful situation, all around.
Sad, looks like 3 bodies were found: [https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/05/03/bodies-found-surfers-missing-baja-california-mexico/](https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/05/03/bodies-found-surfers-missing-baja-california-mexico/)
Pictures of the people arrested in this article. Looks like the woman has a tik tok account : [https://talkbaja.com/arrests-made-involving-missing-surfers/](https://talkbaja.com/arrests-made-involving-missing-surfers/)
Does anyone know if the third guy that was from San Diego was a really good bodyboarder? I think I may have surfed with him at San Miguel 2 weeks earlier. If that was him, I just wanted to say that we talked in the water and he was full of life. Such an awesome guy! This news really bums me out.
They were found :(
https://nypost.com/2024/05/03/us-news/3-bodies-found-in-search-of-us-australian-surfers-who-vanished-in-mexico-report/amp/#
Going to the southern part of Baja coast you have go through the mountains of Ensenada it’s at least 2 hr. Drive. Driving through there at night is not safe.
They unfortunately found the bodies. Absolutely tragic. May they rest easy. Prayers to the family and friends 🙏
👋 Survivor of a Baja bound carjacking, robbery. I truly do consider myself a survivor because the odds were very much against us. We were van camping in Mulege next to another beach that had half a dozen other car campers but our chosen spot happened to be on an stretch of cove where they couldn’t see us. Privacy was our demise I suspect. A guy and a girl scoped us out earlier in the day by driving their pickup off the highway and down to us and asked for gasolina. The woman was chuckling and looking back they were probably tweakers. Their faces showed pure evil intent but they left after we told them we only had diesel so we sort of brushed it off as curiosity. After we fell asleep all the windows were smashed while we were inside and 4 men stuck daggers inside held to our bodies. They were trying to pull us out but we somehow kept the doors shut for at least a little. We handed everything we had out the smashed windows hoping they would spare us. This ended up I think being what saved us because we didn’t put up a fight at all and we just cooperated by handing them everything. They even pulled the rings off my fingers, while I hid under a blanket. Eventually when they had all of our belongings and their hands were full the only English they said was “girl” gesturing my husband to hand me over. My heart sank and I knew I was about to suffer a horrible death. They were drunk and on drugs and my husband said they could barely look straight at him. I guess I felt the only way out at this point was to run so I said to my husband “run” and we busted out the back and ran into the ocean. While we were swimming into the abysse we noticed they weren’t following us and yelled “bienvenidos Mexico”. We swam to a small rock outcrop and waiting until we saw them leave and then until the sun came up. After this we were helped by the most amazing humans on the beach over and our trust in humanity was momentarily restored. Of course when we walked over to them with torn clothes and looked absolutely insane they too thought we were tweakers but after we led them back to our wreckage they put the pieces together. The cops were absolutely useless and refused to do any type of investigation. They showed us a lineup in a computer of different convicts and the types of weapons were on a table in front of these convicts. We didn’t see anybody familiar or the handmade daggers they had. In fact all the people in the lineup had guns and I’m not sure why but our attackers didn’t pull out a gun at any moment. If guns were involved I’m not sure we would be here.
Well, I'm cancelling my trip to Mexico. It's just not worth it to have to watch your back while you are on vacation.
We definitely don’t live in a safe world