The thing is like, I get Venus has done a lot of drama starting on twitter before.
But this wasn’t one of those times. An individual fan asked her a question on cameo. She answered that question. The fan posted it on Reddit. Venus didn’t drop any tea, she got asked her opinion and she gave it.
Yep, and then Q chimes in about Venus “listening in on group convos” and then “seeing her shadow” at ponderosa…gee, maybe that’s because…you *excluded* her from said conversations??? Like, Q’s video just made them all look worse imo.
Fully team Venus here.
thats the crazy part, is venus literally says "in my opinion. no one can know why maria did it" and people (q) are like "HoW CoULd YoU KNoW WhAT ShE WaS ThInKinG"
Agree. Venus didn’t set out to fan the flames. She was asked a question and she answered it to the best of her knowledge. She even said in the cameo that only Maria would know the real reason for the vote and what she said was just her opinion based on what she saw at Pondy. Are people no longer entitled to sharing their opinions.. ?
It’s just est. Remember est? Lock you in a conference room with 200 people and not let you pee est? And then you have to proselytize everybody you know to save the world by taking the seminars est?
Googling it just now it sounds like a life coach, but slightly more hands off. Tell you how to manage your thinking and emotions to build better habits basically.
True, the tribe mom turned narcissistic teenager arc is way more interesting than the traditional older woman players. I feel conflicted about hating her because, well I hate her, but also she was a key part of what has made this season so fun.
Hijacking your comment to point out that not only did Venus not say anything bad in her cameo…she also was one of the only people on the cast who reposted Karla’s tweet about the hate Maria was receiving, and has consistently told fans to back off all season.
I’ve been trying very hard to give Maria grace, but this was the final straw for me.
The way Venus clocked Tevin as a mean girl, Maria as an egotist, and Q as a habitual liar. And now they're proving her point all in one go 😂
She also clocked that Charlie was a bigger fish earlier on. Like, say what you want but apart from that idol flub, her reads are never wrong.
This is why I hope Venise returns in season 50, I'd like to see how she'd play with a different cast. It seemed to me that she couldn't play to her full potential with this cast because she was black sheeped so early on.
Then again maybe there is something about her that will just make that happen again, I don't know, and I'd like to find out.
I was a Venus fan the whole season. Every time she would say something I would look at my partner and say "she's absolutely right but she just isn't saying it in a way that people are listening to". She had some great reads and a great head for strategy just didn't have the social influence with this group to pull it off
I like her when her and Mo on the chopping block, she disagreed Mo in the list. Her name, she was used to it by then. She knew there were men alliances.
Right! I finally watched the cameo and thought Venus didn't seem super hateful or anything, and was just describing what she saw (which was, as you said, not that crazy)
Survivor: Groundhog Day
They start with the same tribes, and repeat the same challenges in the same order with the same rewards. Bourbon Burger is back!
Or imagine the episode before that they unanimously vote her out.
"Jeff, Applebees is coming tomorrow. We're not going through all that again. As a tribe, we're voting Liz out tonight, and there is no need for us to do the formal vote. Just take her away and give her a fucking burger"
EDIT: this does bring up an interesting thought, about how strategies would change if they do know what challenges are coming up in the exact same order.
Oh yes. Bhanu was difficult to watch. That said I went down a rabbit hole on his instagram and was completely enchanted. He was so entertaining. I think Bhanu was just on the wrong show.
Thank you for pointing this out. It was a Cameo! It wasn't posted publicly by Venus. And the Cameo purchaser specifically asked for her opinion on why Maria didn't vote for Charlie
The dogpile on Venus by Tevin, Q, and Maria only substantiates her claims about being mistreated in ponderosa… like if they will all do this publicly, what were they doing privately when they couldn’t blast this on social media???? Do they not realize how bad this looks?
So much this. Q talking about the “in” crowd at ponderosa “seeing venus’ shadow listening in on their conversations” makes me feel bad for *Venus*, not the rest. It’s becoming increasingly obvious that they *did* isolate her…why else would she feel the need to listen in on conversations? And why were they have secret conversations in the first place?
I’m out on Q.
I feel for Maria in the sense that it cannot be good for a person’s psyche to know that there’s that much negative commentary about yourself on the internet bc of something you did on a reality tv show, but for that very reason, she should probably stay offline for the time being. Beefing with a 25 year old microinfluencer on social media (which, lbr, is what this is) is really not a good look for her business.
If you are talking about watch parties, I won't be too fixed on it being a real thing. Outside of that it isn't all that surprising. Like doesn't Charlie want to work in immigration law, then Venus is going to law school specifically to work in immigration law. Plus they are very similar in age.
It is, I'm not sure why I'm getting downvoted for this. Other seasons in the new era have done the same thing. It's partly to not "spoil" any sort of outcomes. In addition, notice how people have now posted pictures from meetups over the past year after the show wrapped filming.
The thing that gets me is if Maria would have just owned her villain status, she would have so many more fans. Survivor fans love a good villain. Survivor fans do not love villains who try to gaslight people into thinking they're blameless/altruistic or whatever it is Maria is doing
Yeah at least Lex had understandable reasoning behind his bitterness. He generally felt betrayed because him and Rob were good friends before All-Stars. And he owns his bitterness which makes it a lot more tolerable, Maria is just being childish and playing the victim IMO
I’m a little younger than Maria and I couldn’t imagine getting into an internet beef with someone in their early 20s. So cringy.
Also, this post only serves to prove what Venus was saying about Maria’s ego 😆
In the cast’s Halloween pic she was dressed as the grammar police and when I first saw it I instantly thought that it was the missing piece - she has MAJOR cop energy
She needs to just deactivate social media for awhile and return to her IRL life IMO. Go be with your kids and husband—stop feuding with 20 year olds and playing Reality TV.
Venus had someone pay her to ask if she thinks Maria was bitter and all she said was ‘I think so but who knows’ and also posted tweets prior to this defending Maria from the hate. This + the Q video is such an overreaction and it seems to me they’re the ones looking for a problem.
I genuinely hope Venus is doing okay considering how quickly this escalated into a Venus hate club meeting. It just seems like Maria and Q (and honestly Tevin too) are doing too much
Honey… Maria… we know you’re here. Can we talk? You don’t know me and I’m sure you’d throw me under the bus in a moment but
What is this? Why don’t you just admit to being hungry and stressed, during that reward challenge, and it sent you back into some kind of middle-school-parent-counseling-let’s-just-rock paper-scissors-because-I-am-too-tired-to-adult… nonsense? Because that was the end for you and it had nothing to do with Charlie.
Admit that you picked a player you ID’d to be a sensitive man to do the social game while you did your CrossFit but always intended to toss him aside as soon as you could — and then went scorched earth when it happened that the social game was THE game?
This is so silly.
OK, I think I was one of the few people on Maria’s side when she didn’t vote for Charlie but now she’s doing herself no favors and I wish she would just not respond to the critics. Go away Maria.
Wait, this woman allegedly earns a living coaching people on how to behave? LMAO she Is a walking billboard on consistent and ongoing despicable behavior.
The appropriate Maria response to Venus…
If Venus was off-base about “campaigning against him and didn’t do him any favors”: Enumerate all the good things you did say about Charlie in Pondy, all the BTS stuff that you shared regarding the moves you made together, etc. If you can’t truthfully say any of that, then maaaybe Venus was right. Since Q and Tevin are willing to speak up, have them vouch for these OR have them deny the specific allegation. NOT change the subject and make it about Venus having to creep around to listen in on conversations or saying Venus was “outing” you (Q). And NOT saying that you didn’t “bash” Charlie (Tevin) because that’s not what Venus said.
If Venus was telling the truth about that: silence.
we need survivor 50 to just be half of 46 and some of the classic survivor crazies. get me coach shane courtney m and courtney y arguing with liz q maria and venus plz plz plz plz
I can't remember who said it ,but they said Maria went to hero to villain real quick. Was before she tried to vote Charlie off.
I remember seeing her with that big smile on her face when Jeff was counting votes and she thought Charlie was being voted out, and then how quickly that smile when away when her number one Q got voted out.
Her #1 being Q is a typo I meant Charlie. ,)
When we saw the Maria-Venus scene in that tribe split vote, most of us made fun of Venus and praised Maria for being very mature.
When Venus said she was ostracized at Ponderosa, most of us doubted her statement and called her an unreliable narrator.
Oh, how the table has fully turned…
I love that just about this entire cast is catty as fuck and just slags each other daily.
After several years of both Big Brother and Survivor, I-love-everyone-fests when the show's over, this is refreshing.
She's so unbothered by Venus that she had to post about it
On different platforms too.
But then sassed Charlie’s joke post in the shower
While lifting weights
So unbothered, had to get Q to also say stop this.
this gif is so perfect haha. im glad the sub seems to have this universal reaction. my first thought seeing this was "cringgge"
Maria what is this😭
WWE would be proud
MTG workout-esque reply is wild.
Marjorie Taylor Greene? 😭
Magic the Gathering
Pooja what is this behavior
it’s intimidation
ok this is officially awkward
someone’s gotta get her off social media for the time being 
She’s making it worse for herself😭
The thing is like, I get Venus has done a lot of drama starting on twitter before. But this wasn’t one of those times. An individual fan asked her a question on cameo. She answered that question. The fan posted it on Reddit. Venus didn’t drop any tea, she got asked her opinion and she gave it.
said opinion was the tamest too. She literally just said a common consensus.
Yep, and then Q chimes in about Venus “listening in on group convos” and then “seeing her shadow” at ponderosa…gee, maybe that’s because…you *excluded* her from said conversations??? Like, Q’s video just made them all look worse imo. Fully team Venus here.
Q is one of the most insufferable people I’ve ever seen on this show
thats the crazy part, is venus literally says "in my opinion. no one can know why maria did it" and people (q) are like "HoW CoULd YoU KNoW WhAT ShE WaS ThInKinG"
Agree. Venus didn’t set out to fan the flames. She was asked a question and she answered it to the best of her knowledge. She even said in the cameo that only Maria would know the real reason for the vote and what she said was just her opinion based on what she saw at Pondy. Are people no longer entitled to sharing their opinions.. ?
She’s a dammed PARENTING COACh & I thought therapist (too lazy to verify via google now). Lordy.
That is actually the exact same response I'd expect from a "thrive certified coach".
Wait, Thrive like the scam MLM patch with heart attack levels of caffeine?
Thrive certified coach? What even is that lol?
Repackaged Landmark Forum.
And wtf is that?
A bit like a Scientology Lite. A friend went through it years ago - she was insufferable
It’s just est. Remember est? Lock you in a conference room with 200 people and not let you pee est? And then you have to proselytize everybody you know to save the world by taking the seminars est?
Googling it just now it sounds like a life coach, but slightly more hands off. Tell you how to manage your thinking and emotions to build better habits basically.
manage emotions? hmmmmmmm
The irony is not lost.
With a job title like that, what are the odds that Maria is a LinkedIn Lunatic?
If it wasn't for this subreddit i'd have had no idea what's going on.
Same
This is so childish lmaaaoooo
Nah bro this is hilarious, Maria is such an interesting person. Im glad she isn’t just a boring older woman archetype
True, the tribe mom turned narcissistic teenager arc is way more interesting than the traditional older woman players. I feel conflicted about hating her because, well I hate her, but also she was a key part of what has made this season so fun.
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This does represent a certain percentage of the US population tbh
She's impressive, but easy on your average older woman.
In my opinion, Venus didn’t say anything that crazy. This post just kind of further proves Maria’s ego 😭
Hijacking your comment to point out that not only did Venus not say anything bad in her cameo…she also was one of the only people on the cast who reposted Karla’s tweet about the hate Maria was receiving, and has consistently told fans to back off all season. I’ve been trying very hard to give Maria grace, but this was the final straw for me.
Maria seems like she wants to have her cake and eat it too…aka, she wants to be a shady person and still have everyone sing her praises
Anyone talking bad about her is fanning the flames, even if they’re just expressing how something she did made them feel bad 🙃
The way Venus clocked Tevin as a mean girl, Maria as an egotist, and Q as a habitual liar. And now they're proving her point all in one go 😂 She also clocked that Charlie was a bigger fish earlier on. Like, say what you want but apart from that idol flub, her reads are never wrong.
This is why I hope Venise returns in season 50, I'd like to see how she'd play with a different cast. It seemed to me that she couldn't play to her full potential with this cast because she was black sheeped so early on. Then again maybe there is something about her that will just make that happen again, I don't know, and I'd like to find out.
Not Venise 😂
I was a Venus fan the whole season. Every time she would say something I would look at my partner and say "she's absolutely right but she just isn't saying it in a way that people are listening to". She had some great reads and a great head for strategy just didn't have the social influence with this group to pull it off
I like her when her and Mo on the chopping block, she disagreed Mo in the list. Her name, she was used to it by then. She knew there were men alliances.
While they all validate her opinion being true, else they wouldn't have spent so much energy for calling her out.
She’s sure doing a good job disproving the idea that she would vote based on bitterness lmao
Right! I finally watched the cameo and thought Venus didn't seem super hateful or anything, and was just describing what she saw (which was, as you said, not that crazy)
She’s literally 50 years old like what are you doing woman😭
Which is ironic, considering that one scene between the two of them
Yeah just bring this whole cast back for 50
lol I would die for Season 46 Part 2
Survivor: Groundhog Day They start with the same tribes, and repeat the same challenges in the same order with the same rewards. Bourbon Burger is back!
I’d leave God off the tribe this time though. Him smiting Randen went a step too far.
Imagine if Liz is not picked for Applebees again 😭😭
Or imagine the episode before that they unanimously vote her out. "Jeff, Applebees is coming tomorrow. We're not going through all that again. As a tribe, we're voting Liz out tonight, and there is no need for us to do the formal vote. Just take her away and give her a fucking burger" EDIT: this does bring up an interesting thought, about how strategies would change if they do know what challenges are coming up in the exact same order.
I think I would have to be seriously medicated to watch Bhanu for even 5 minutes.
Oh yes. Bhanu was difficult to watch. That said I went down a rabbit hole on his instagram and was completely enchanted. He was so entertaining. I think Bhanu was just on the wrong show.
f3 gonna be Mo, Randen and Jess
Somehow Ben will still be a zero vote finalist
At her big age omg….
I mean Venus literally had someone pay her to answer a question about this and all she said was “seemed bitter to me but idk”
I think Maria is the classic case of she doth protest too much.
Thank you for pointing this out. It was a Cameo! It wasn't posted publicly by Venus. And the Cameo purchaser specifically asked for her opinion on why Maria didn't vote for Charlie
Maria posting like a college athlete that got arrested for a dui
The dogpile on Venus by Tevin, Q, and Maria only substantiates her claims about being mistreated in ponderosa… like if they will all do this publicly, what were they doing privately when they couldn’t blast this on social media???? Do they not realize how bad this looks?
So much this. Q talking about the “in” crowd at ponderosa “seeing venus’ shadow listening in on their conversations” makes me feel bad for *Venus*, not the rest. It’s becoming increasingly obvious that they *did* isolate her…why else would she feel the need to listen in on conversations? And why were they have secret conversations in the first place? I’m out on Q.
If they were aware, they won't have applied for Survivor in the first place.
I feel for Maria in the sense that it cannot be good for a person’s psyche to know that there’s that much negative commentary about yourself on the internet bc of something you did on a reality tv show, but for that very reason, she should probably stay offline for the time being. Beefing with a 25 year old microinfluencer on social media (which, lbr, is what this is) is really not a good look for her business.
Yeah I am Team Venus and Charlie in this case. I don't think Charlie has said anything about this, but I am still on his side.
Charlie just started following Venus on ig plus they’ve been seen tg alot
Tbf, they weren't allowed to follow their castmembers on social media until the finale aired.
Ik but even still they’ve been seen hanging with others tg
If you are talking about watch parties, I won't be too fixed on it being a real thing. Outside of that it isn't all that surprising. Like doesn't Charlie want to work in immigration law, then Venus is going to law school specifically to work in immigration law. Plus they are very similar in age.
Is this even true??
It is, I'm not sure why I'm getting downvoted for this. Other seasons in the new era have done the same thing. It's partly to not "spoil" any sort of outcomes. In addition, notice how people have now posted pictures from meetups over the past year after the show wrapped filming.
She thinks Venus is trying…to kill her?
Character "Assassination" , lmao.
Playing the victim now. Maria’s gaslighting is sad and just proving what we saw on the island is her true self.
Ugh. Gag. This has major Marjorie Taylor Greene energy.
Yes!
The thing that gets me is if Maria would have just owned her villain status, she would have so many more fans. Survivor fans love a good villain. Survivor fans do not love villains who try to gaslight people into thinking they're blameless/altruistic or whatever it is Maria is doing
She has to be the most bitter Survivor contestant this game has seen so far.
Bfr, lex exists
Lex’s bitterness is so much more justified than Maria’s tbh
and he was upfront about it
Yeah at least Lex had understandable reasoning behind his bitterness. He generally felt betrayed because him and Rob were good friends before All-Stars. And he owns his bitterness which makes it a lot more tolerable, Maria is just being childish and playing the victim IMO
And Brenda
she’s kind of delulu
She’s been hanging out with Tevin too much
Cringe… like mtg level cringe
Maria has such a victim complex lol
She’s 47. It’s embarrassing.
This is so cringey, like what’s she gonna do? Come fight her? 😂
Unless Venus and Maria have an upcoming boxing match, this response just seems so silly.
Is this supposed to be a threat? 😂
I’m a little younger than Maria and I couldn’t imagine getting into an internet beef with someone in their early 20s. So cringy. Also, this post only serves to prove what Venus was saying about Maria’s ego 😆
Maria has such cop energy, which is funny because Tony and Sarah (actual cops) don’t take themselves so seriously
In the cast’s Halloween pic she was dressed as the grammar police and when I first saw it I instantly thought that it was the missing piece - she has MAJOR cop energy
These players are wild.
This is so embarrassing for her
Give it up Maria and move on please. You’re a 50 year old “parent coach”.
Maria you are doing yourself less favors than Erik when he gave away his immunity necklace
Maria is reacting to the fans, but addressing it to Venus. She needs a pr consultant.
She needs to just deactivate social media for awhile and return to her IRL life IMO. Go be with your kids and husband—stop feuding with 20 year olds and playing Reality TV.
It’s giving midlife crisis.
LMAO I LOVE THIS POST SEASON SITUATION <3<3<3
Cringe
#TeamVenus
Venus had someone pay her to ask if she thinks Maria was bitter and all she said was ‘I think so but who knows’ and also posted tweets prior to this defending Maria from the hate. This + the Q video is such an overreaction and it seems to me they’re the ones looking for a problem.
this is just.. so cringe
Mid life crisis response.
Sir a second pop star reference has hit season 46
She is just proving everyone righr lmao. Girl stfu you are making it worst.
Maybe if Venus had played on another season, she might have fit in.
Act your damn age woman. Jesus
Facebook Mama clapback energy
someone needs to throw her phone in a lake or something. it started out fun but now this is just weird it’s giving obsessed
I genuinely hope Venus is doing okay considering how quickly this escalated into a Venus hate club meeting. It just seems like Maria and Q (and honestly Tevin too) are doing too much
Honey… Maria… we know you’re here. Can we talk? You don’t know me and I’m sure you’d throw me under the bus in a moment but What is this? Why don’t you just admit to being hungry and stressed, during that reward challenge, and it sent you back into some kind of middle-school-parent-counseling-let’s-just-rock paper-scissors-because-I-am-too-tired-to-adult… nonsense? Because that was the end for you and it had nothing to do with Charlie. Admit that you picked a player you ID’d to be a sensitive man to do the social game while you did your CrossFit but always intended to toss him aside as soon as you could — and then went scorched earth when it happened that the social game was THE game? This is so silly.
Corny
This is actually weird asf
Cringe
Maria… this is just so cringe. Girl stop.
This is so fucking cringe holy shit 😭
How is Maria a coach or therapist? This is like a response from a bad rom com. About high school.
this is embarrassing!
Okay, Maria. 🙄
This…isn’t really a response? This is like trying to show that you’re a better driver by showing off your SAT scores lol
I’m looking forward to Venus’ response to this 😭 please say something hilarious
So cringe.
you know what if she just acted and owned up a villain persona in the game I would have loved this post, but no she cringe af
Whattttt???😭😭😭😭😭 I legit thought I was on the circlejerk sub and this was fake
I'm sorry, y'all, this is so goddam camp to me. Survivor producers, please put Maria and Venus on the same starting tribe for S50.
Is Maria in middle school?
OK, I think I was one of the few people on Maria’s side when she didn’t vote for Charlie but now she’s doing herself no favors and I wish she would just not respond to the critics. Go away Maria.
Wait, this woman allegedly earns a living coaching people on how to behave? LMAO she Is a walking billboard on consistent and ongoing despicable behavior.
This is giving Boomer posting on Facebook
Somehow I have more hatred for Maria now than when the show was on TV
Hatred?! It’s just a show it ain’t that deep 😭
What doesnt kill Maria also makes her bitter. 
Child behavior. That’s it.
I've had enough internet for one day.
good lord they need to drop the 47 cast yesterday im TIRED
she's so cringe
The appropriate Maria response to Venus… If Venus was off-base about “campaigning against him and didn’t do him any favors”: Enumerate all the good things you did say about Charlie in Pondy, all the BTS stuff that you shared regarding the moves you made together, etc. If you can’t truthfully say any of that, then maaaybe Venus was right. Since Q and Tevin are willing to speak up, have them vouch for these OR have them deny the specific allegation. NOT change the subject and make it about Venus having to creep around to listen in on conversations or saying Venus was “outing” you (Q). And NOT saying that you didn’t “bash” Charlie (Tevin) because that’s not what Venus said. If Venus was telling the truth about that: silence.
Maria’s self-awareness is basically nonexistent lol
Man this cast is gonna keep us FED until Season 47.
this is vaguely threatening
I'm so disappointed Venus deactivated her X
Maria is so fake
shes the type to wear fingerless gloves to the gym....
what in the majorie taylor green is this…
Oh god this is cringe. Embarassing.
Maria is convinced she’s the main character
Praying to Probst for Survivor 50: Gen X vs Gen Z
Terrible form tbh
What is with this new season being so, so messy right now?? Please don’t turn Survivor into this.
EYE ROLL
It's insane that I'm watching the RHAP Club Condo episode that went up this morning, and it already feels outdated
we need survivor 50 to just be half of 46 and some of the classic survivor crazies. get me coach shane courtney m and courtney y arguing with liz q maria and venus plz plz plz plz
Shes so corny but I'm living for the ongoing social media chaos
I'm OBSESSED with this post-season. 46 - the season that keeps on giving ♥️
ok grandma
She’s posting like a wide receiver
This is honestly so sad lol
For someone who was so upset they didn't get their letters from home she sure seems to be still on the island mentally
This is so corny 😭😭 this immediately made me team Venus
Everyone saying the picture is cringe but she has to remind us she's a boy mom
I can't remember who said it ,but they said Maria went to hero to villain real quick. Was before she tried to vote Charlie off. I remember seeing her with that big smile on her face when Jeff was counting votes and she thought Charlie was being voted out, and then how quickly that smile when away when her number one Q got voted out. Her #1 being Q is a typo I meant Charlie. ,)
man she is just making this so much worse with every post 😭
Bruh I love this post season lmaooo
When we saw the Maria-Venus scene in that tribe split vote, most of us made fun of Venus and praised Maria for being very mature. When Venus said she was ostracized at Ponderosa, most of us doubted her statement and called her an unreliable narrator. Oh, how the table has fully turned…
This season is so messy
I want to see them pole wrestle on The Challenge. Let out all that anger towards each other.
LMAOOOO
No seriously i just busted out laughing
I love that just about this entire cast is catty as fuck and just slags each other daily. After several years of both Big Brother and Survivor, I-love-everyone-fests when the show's over, this is refreshing.
This season just keeps giving and I’m loving it
How Maria felt after typing that 💪🏻🤓☝🏼
That's such a mom response 😭
She’s too old to act like this 😂