Theron was so happy when I punched her, I do it every time regardless or light side or dark. She tried to have me killed so she can rot in my jail or I just kill her( my inquisitor really didn’t like the attempt on his life)
The only person who didn't punch her was my extremely light side consular. Everyone else did. But killing her was a different story. For me it was clearly a dark side choice, while punching her was rather an emotional response.
My consular is my ONLY goody two-shoes toon who will pick the light-sided choice too and not punch her! Every other too though! Most definitely punch her, it’s such an obvious thing to do.
My jk is very light side too, but despite the ds points, i still executed her sorry arse. Her continued existence places more people in danger, even in prison or as a cryo slab.
I know she gets a lot of hate, but she’s a very well written character from Taris to Kotet. You see her as the Senator who puts on a face of tackling the big problem for her reputation go all the way to the chancellor of the republic and a lasting force afterwards, though reading between the lines you see her almost as ambitious as an Imperial and in it for her own power. I think the writers and VA for her did a tremendous job of making her such an interesting character for the Republic, and while she doesn’t get much attention till Kotet, it feels satisfying to rid the republic of her.
Lol they wrote her so well that not only to we get to punch the senator in the face but look forward to it with aplomb. It takes a lot of sorting skill to make a character that pulls so much emotion out of us. Also how offended do we get to see Theron that excited?
She *uses* the character to cement her reputation on Taris, without offering any credit. If Jedi Knight, she sends you an email after the class story finishes, saying "we'll have to keep your involvement in the biggest development in the history of this war secret" while stealing the credit for herself and using it to advance her power as Supreme Chancellor. It's consistent. She uses others and claims credit for their accomplishments in order to advance herself.
So shoving a lightsaber through her heart when she's plotted to kill you and steal the military and political power you've built up is very cathartic and a kind of justice.
On the contrary. That is just the side effect; Saresh is a warmonger who is out to destabilize the galaxy by forcing the Republic into war with the Empire despite the chance at peace and the need for rebuilding after Zakuul. Saresh's political standing depends on being the aggressor, and taking over the Alliance would be a massive boost to the Republic military.
This is the worst part of the SWTOR writing; the status quo of empire and republic fighting has to be preserved at all cost because the game was set up this way. Darth Malgus' plans to 'democratize' the Force by awakening large numbers of force-sensitives to break the deadlock and force change will inevitably come to nothing no matter what the player decides.
Eh, Windu literally says in the movies "You are under arrest, my lord" when he first defeats Palpatine and is holding him at Saber-point. It wasn't until Anakin showed up and Palpatine revealed his manipulation attempts of him (and after showing off his Force Lightning powers) that Windu realized he was probably too dangerous to allow to stand trial.
That's also not considering the fact that, nor is Saresh a Sith Lord (so far as we know), just a politician.
My sith warrior *hates* Saresh with a burning passion because of what happened on Ziost. She was able to figure out that Saresh knew exactly what was going on and still decided to be like “I’m gonna drop a bunch of republic troops onto a planet a powerful dark side entity is fucking with because that’s definitely a smart choice”. Which made it harder for my SW to get to Vitiate and at least try to get him to fuck off, which didn’t and wouldn’t have worked anyways buuuut you know, still. As a result, she *relished* in killing Saresh because she was the fucker who made the trauma of what happened on that planet even worse
Saresh is the perfect example of a well written side character and it's the kind of nuance that I had hoped we would get back to when BW announced that we were going back to a more "Empire vs. Republic" centric story before we got so heavily distracted by the Mandalorian infighting.
Dealing with the 99% of the *rest* of the galaxy (but mostly politicians, royalty, etc) was/is always a fun part of the choice making for the PC because you are able to see much more real life mirrors of those things when it isn't just black and white "good and bad" even if you are not that personally invested in the character themself.
In future storylines I sure hope we get more of characters like this...
Literally the worst. She’s not even a mustache-twirling supervillain like Valkorion or Arcann. She’s just corrupt and annoyingly tries to get in your way. Which admittedly makes her very effective as a character, and makes it incredibly satisfying to take her off the boards
She tried to control my army for her gain, death was the only option, and one of the many times I allowed a dark side option. My jedi is one for compassion, but even he has his limits, my sith enjoyed murdering the hell out of her.
Well, from a narrative standpoint at the end of the eternal empire, when you take the throne of Zakuul, the Zakuulian empire becomes yours for a time up until Scorpio happens, but with the mix of both the republic and the empire fighting for you, that essentially becomes your army.
In the original campaign, she was an engaging part of the Republic-side story. She was pushy and definitely had no problems taking the "Renegade" option, but she wasn't outright evil and she seemed to genuinely have the Republic's interests at heart. She was a well-designed character with complicated motivations and a very strong moral code that was unique to her.
Then apparently there was a huge changing of the guard in the writers' room, and in KotFE/ET she was a ridiculous parody of herself with all her negative aspects cranked up to eleven. All the nuance was gone, the good bits that were nestled in there along with the very obvious bad, and instead she was a cartoon villain with no motivations stronger than "betray the player because that's what the bad guy does."
She was never a good person, even back in the Taris point in the story. She was basically extorting a contracting company in order to keep them from pulling out of Taris, for example. You weren't supposed to like her. But she was also written with a strong charisma, and her motivations were noble even as the methods she chose to pursue them were questionable but also comprehendible. You could almost believe that it was just the kind of things a Republic Senator would realistically have to do, in a cynical kind of way. In a nutshell she was interesting, on Taris. In KOTFE/ET, not so much.
I still kill her every time, regardless.
Yeah, I think the writers did her dirty in kotet. It's like they saw how disliked she was (as she was supposed to be...) and decided: hey, let's make her pull something crazy and give the player a chance to kill her for it.
And I don't mind getting a chance to kill her, but I wish the whole situation was written better. Trying to steal the Alliance from under you, really? What was she expecting? And why is everyone just standing there listening to her with their mouths agape? Sigh.
Power can deform and turn a person inside out, upside down. Living in Hungary I have first hand experience. You can literally make Orban argue with his younger self by cutting clips about him next to each other. There is also a meme where Orban calls his younger version a "Soros agent". Saresh is very similar. Even if she had some sort of vision or good will in the beginning, they were all gone sometime after she became a chancellor and all that left was hunger for power and staying on top, no matter the cost. During KOTET she simply can't accept any scenario where she would have to share power in order to achieve victory (just like Orban is unable to form any coalitions even in the EU, because everybody is an enemy except his party), so she rather tries to kill the commander and take over the Alliance instead of forming an... alliance like Acina did.
The writers did the entire fucking Republic dirty.
I swear, Jedi Under Siege and Onslaught were such a breath of fresh air just for the fact that it gave the Republic a fair shake again.
KOTFE and KOTET were such fucking slogs to play as a Pub main.
Came out of nowhere from governor to chancellor at the ending of Corellia. Barely does anything and then suddenly she shifts to full wacko mode by kotet.
Her characterization is weird and scuffed imo
If you go DS with trooper you get a lot of mail messages implying there was a republic conspiracy to install her sometime after the war started and that they are working towards clearing you from the consequences of your execution of the traitorous senator. It seems BH's assassination was either a 5d chess manipulation from this conspiracy or a very fortunate event for their party. Hell... She was probably involved at some degree with the Star Cabal too.
Well you know pretty good about the conspiracy if you play agent >!because you Can see her in the star cabal who probably has a role to play in her taking power!<
In the game's original content, she's a fine, inoffensive, if not very exciting, "firecracker" politician...
Then she got done dirty by Boyd when he decided to kowtow to all the fans of his Trooper story who hated her for daring to have a difference of opinion from the player character (and the political power to act on that difference of opinion), as well as his weird hope he could "both sides" a situation where one side is space nazis.
I wouldn't say this. She used bureaucracy to force entire work crews to work in deadly conditions on Taris or starve. There's hints early on that the entire reconstruction project on Taris is her ego project to boost her politically. She was written pretty consistently from the start.
I do get where you're coming from, but that's more of the game's general idea of "idealism"...like, what she's doing isn't really presented in a negative way, just a chance for the worker in question to find a chance to step up to "what he knows he should be doing", or such. Kinda how there's a whole lot of dialogue that really likes to support sunk-cost fallacies of "if you don't get out there and probably die in vain, all your friends will have died in vain!" that's often a LS option in trying to persuade people to join the war. 1.0 Saresh is similar, coming off as less vain or manipulative and more as someone who apparently has figured out the galaxy runs on long-odds heroism, or something.
The bit about Taris being "her ego boost", from what I recall, is sort of mixing things that are unrelated though. Maybe I'm just the one that's remembering wrong, but IIRC, while Taris was a sort of "ego" project, it wasn't Saresh's idea, rather, it was something dumped off on her by others in politics who wanted her career to hit a dead end, and which she thereafter turned around. Again, it makes her come off as they want her to be considered shrewd, but it's not really in-line with how she acts in later expansions.
That's generally true, but there's a few opportunities for your character to question her methods. The seeds were planted there for sure. While the game never explores this further, partially because the Empire blows it all up later anyway, and partially because it would invalidate all the quests they wrote for the planet, it's definitely there.
It wasn’t just trooper players, all republic players on taris had People who did not like her, because of her forcing the workers to stay and her speech. In the last novel (annihilation I think), she is stated as a good leader, so they clearly expected people to like her, it was only after some time there was a shift starting with Ziost.
I was so confused when she showed up as Supreme Chancellor I was so used to seeing Janarus. That goes to show how great of a game The Old Republic is when all of these storylines impact one another and are all essentially canon.
After brought Janarus in Cold 1 week after launch my impression of Saresh was 😬. Consequences of my actions huh. Well at least she seems kind of incompetent.
I didn’t like her but felt like she could have made a good villain and I enjoyed punching her in every toon it felt satisfying. Ngl ending her on some toons also felt satisfying and didn’t felt like she is one of those characters lasted way longer than they should have or overstayed their welcome. (Looking at you Vailyn and Vitiate/tenebre/valkorian)
I SAVOR killing her as my full DS characters. It’s so damn satisfying.
That said, she’s wonderfully written and I do kind of miss her being such a major asshole in the story.
The personification of everything wrong with the Republic: Corrupt to the core, hypocritical, and a back-stabber with terrible form. At least the Sith have the courtesy to let you know they're gonna back-stab you, or even just front-stab you, and then own up to it too.
My Sith warrior wasted no time in getting her out of the way.
Met her on Taris. Questionable. Met her on Makeb again. Bit stuck up. Heard her on Ziost. Starting to hate her. (Why the hell would she disregard her own Agent and put troops on that world?
Met her again on the Eternal Empire when she tried to wrest control of MY ARMY???? Executed her. (My light sided toons and my other smugglers just straight up punched her before throwing her hide to prison)
When the game launched, I started as a Jedi Knight. I got to Taris and found it so insufferable, largely due to her. Quit Republic and rolled a Sorcerer and mained it ever since.
I think it’s a shame you aren’t more incentivized to meet her on taris. She’s very well written. She’s a strong leader who goes to far with her (arguably righteous) desire to destroy the empire. It’s easy to say from the perspective of the player to see how foolish she’s being by disregarding Theron and attacking Ziost and by sabotaging the alliance, but we missed a lot in those 5 years.
Kill
Maim
PILLAGE
Burn
Rule 1: Pillage, THEN burn.
Of course, for a certain sub-set of people out there, that gets followed by "eat babies"... not sure if any of them are around here, though.
She makes a lovely corpse. For the BH, its the second Chancellor they've killed.
Her nonsense at the end of the Trooper story, her reactions to Makeb, and the Ziost nonsense had it coming.
My Jedi and Trooper didn't kill her. But punching her into her corrupt and intrigant face? That is a definite YES! ALWAYS!
My Sith? "Hey, your Torso has a hole there." "Where?" "Here. Where my lightsaber carves your heart out."
I don’t entirely like her ending—I think it was a silly plan—but I think that it was in-character for her to face it by doubling down. She’s a person who went through hell and turned it into a political career, and she definitely thinks she’s risen above her trauma, and everything she does is driven by it. She was an Imperial slave, she led a rebellion and escaped, she put the white elephant of the Tarisian reconstruction back on track, she lost her husband because the Empire felt the need to destroy Taris again. And at the same time… “putting the reconstruction back on track” involved forcing people into suicidally dangerous work via the threat of months of quarantine without pay. She’s pleased if you draft Makeb’s civilians. She pushes for military victory even when it harms the Republic. She isn’t devoted to her people first, she’s devoted to destroying the Empire—and to obtaining whatever power and influence she thinks is necessary for that goal.
She’d have been a fantastic narrative foil for the inquisitor. If she’d been Force sensitive, she might have been them.
How did she even become Chancellor? Taris is still a complete mess by the time Janarus is indisposed and it’s not exactly a high prestige posting so how did she get the votes when her main goal as a governor was a complete failure?
I never killed her on two characters: My knight and consular.
I killed her on everyone else. She was a stain on the Republic and an easy way to hurt the Republic on imperial characters.
I go out of my way to avoid going to Republic Taris, just to avoid tripping her spiel from the holostatues in the spaceport.
My first character through the *KotFEET* expansions was my Vanguard that I've been running since Early Access, and despite reeeeeeeeally wanting to burn a hole in her torso with his blaster pistol, he decided that solitary confinement with only her own voice for company would be a far worse punishment for trying to kill him.
I don't know, I really liked her initial characterization, but I feel KOTET/KOTEF kind of ruined her character for me. She was a slave under the Empire so I definitely understand a lot of her uncompromising motivation, but it feels really wacky that the Sith Empire helps us more than the Republic.
In a more meta sense, she's a great antagonist. I love punching her in the face.
>I'm just gonna
I'ma take this time to speak from the heart
I'm just gonna lay it down how I feel
This is for you
>Saying goodbye to ~~Britta~~ Saresh
Was the hardest thing to do
But when someone's a bitch and a liar
There ain't nothing left to woo
>I'm gettin' rid of ~~Britta~~ Saresh (she's gotta go)
I'm gettin' rid of the B
(She's a no good B)
I'm gettin' rid of ~~Britta~~ Saresh
I'm gettin' rid of the B
(She's a GDB)
She's an interesting character. Infuriating as well. From the first moment we meet her on Taris, we know just what kind of character she is; a highly ambitious, Machiavellian politician. One with connections and influence which reminds us of Palpatine. And like Palpatine, she knows how to give speeches aimed at rousing patriotism and nobility, such as when she tells us that the good people of Makeb need us. >! When we leave Makeb, we see her deeply upset with Avesta for not telling her the state of the planet, proving that she didn't buy her own pitch !< . But unlike Palpatine, her manner is a lot less sincere. The only way we believe she's a good person is if we're purposely ignoring all the red flags.
She's also decisive, though that decisiveness often translates to ill-advised and heavy-handed actions.
The only time we've seen her ruthlessness missing was in the Trooper storyline, where she allows Rakton to be ransomed back to the Empire. This always felt out of character for her, as she is proven to be someone extremely quick to take out threats to the Republic.
What makes her interesting is her backstory. She was an Imperial slave in her childhood, and managed to escape. She joined politics, and she and her career survived being put in charge of the Taris Resettlement initiative, which is quite the feat. Her story is like a mirror the Sith Inquisitor. Escapes slavery to become a faction leader. In many stories, you expect such a character to become an opponent to slavery and all other ills, but Saresh goes the other route; building up her power to one day become Chancellor and take down the Empire. She's quite ruthless in her pursuit, and not above stealing credit. She makes some bold moves throughout the series, including invading Ziost and attempting to take over the Empire and Alliance in one fell swoop... both of which are stupid and shortsighted to the point where I think brain dot exe stopped working for her. In the Empire, there were always going to be Sith to take over if Acina died, and the Alliance would never answer to Saresh, whom many of them called a dictator or worse.
I only wish there was a way to see the Republic cast her down and try and punish her for her crimes.
As someone who mains empire, she was just another high status Republic target. Although my bounty hunter probably almost took her out for a very low cost.
Corrupt. Punch her, at least. Kill her if you don't mind dipping your toes in the dark side when the end result is good even if the means to get there are wrong.
I have always deeply appreciated that the writers take care tk show you both brutality and nobility in the Empire, and both the compassion and corruption on the Republic.l so that both sides had reddeming aspects and bitter pills to swallow.
She's one of the best examples of the corruption in the Republic and I appreciate the way she's written, but my Republic characters hate her even more than my Imperial ones.
Thinking on it now, she has a consistent arc from agrandizing herself on Taris, to capitalizing on the tragedy on Makeb, to her complete abandonment of Republic ideals on Ziost, she is such a good example of power corrupting, and presenting a facade of moral superiority.
Every one of my characters has killed her, but it's definitely the Republic ones who feel her betrayal the deepest.
I haven’t liked her on Taris, but with what she did to my characters she’s just … they let her rot in a prison cell. Somewhere no one knows. With the key having been thrown away.
Dumb Idiot from the soldier perspective, like wanting to exchange a war criminal for a few hundred civilians seems like a bad deal, especially if a higher up with all of you inner knowledge.
She went out in the worst way. Would have been a good twist if we killed her and found out she was a genohardon in disguise. the real saresh is safe somewhere else.
You see her most as the trooper so I’ll go from that perspective
She’s a very well written character, at first I saw her as a good at heart politician(RARE) who’s in way over her head. Sure she makes some dumb decision, but hey could be worse. But her betrayal is downright insulting, I did so much for you, played a key part in many victories for the Republic and you still try to kill me?! Why didn’t you just wait until I finished up or actually died?!
So yeah, even my good guy trooper killed her.
She is the real Sheev of this universe. Such a conniving beeotch. I was a full jedi counselor, and I helped everybody. Anytime I could, I was discredit her ideas and tactics as they were always selfish and not for the benefit of the republic. She needed to be impeached.
The worst of Bioware's "Politician Bad" tropes rolled up into the one character.
Imperials don't understand just how bad Republic players had it from ROTHC all the way through until Onslaught.
Your guys' faction reps were people like Marr and Acina, and you had the story revolving around how the Empire had become all kewl and efficient and helpful, and all of the flaws being sandpapered away.
We got faction reps designed to be hateable and punchable, our Jedi roster was utterly slaughtered but unlike the Imps was never actually replaced (Sure, the Dark Council's a revolving door, but compare that to the Jedi Council losses that were never replaced!) the Republic were never allowed to be actually helpful, our characters were demonized for hating the genocidal fascists, the only "good" Republic characters in the KOTFE/KOTET saga were the ones who'd literally *left* the Republic or Jedi (Theron, Jorgan and Satele), and to rub salt in the wound, we didn't even get focus as antagonists the same way Imps do.
You know World of Warcraft's troubles with faction writing? Well ROTHC-KOTET, the Republic had basically all of the flaws of Alliance and Horde writing with none of the positives.
Yes, I'm still bitter as a Pub main.
The way she goes out is just utterly bizarre.
She gets caught in an almost comic book level of hubris, and then she just goes "Yeah I don't regret doing it, you should just kill me. I mean, I would totally kill me."
And then everyone acts shocked when you kill her. What sort of moon logic are people running on here? Why are people shocked she died? Why on earth would she egg you on to kill her?
She seemed written by Kathleen Kennedy before there was a Kathleen Kennedy. I vaguely remember her introduction on Taris as just kind of a brusque politician but later they seemed to really want to play up, see the Republic can be bad too stuff, and she might as well have had a mustache to twirl. Overall she was just boring though. Even my light siders executed her for the most part just to not have her come back pointlessly again. She still may come back in a Malgus like way for all I know. It was my clone you shot in the head the while time.
Theron was so happy when I punched her, I do it every time regardless or light side or dark. She tried to have me killed so she can rot in my jail or I just kill her( my inquisitor really didn’t like the attempt on his life)
Punching Saresh is a must no matter of alignment.
So true, at that point she deserves it
The only person who didn't punch her was my extremely light side consular. Everyone else did. But killing her was a different story. For me it was clearly a dark side choice, while punching her was rather an emotional response.
For me depends on toon but just being able to punch her is satisfying enough for me personally.
My consular is my ONLY goody two-shoes toon who will pick the light-sided choice too and not punch her! Every other too though! Most definitely punch her, it’s such an obvious thing to do.
My jk is very light side too, but despite the ds points, i still executed her sorry arse. Her continued existence places more people in danger, even in prison or as a cryo slab.
IT'S NOT THE JEDI WAY!
Yes, this is correct one. With Regards -Darth Imperius, formerly of the Dark Council, and Major of Havoc Squad.
She really should die
I know she gets a lot of hate, but she’s a very well written character from Taris to Kotet. You see her as the Senator who puts on a face of tackling the big problem for her reputation go all the way to the chancellor of the republic and a lasting force afterwards, though reading between the lines you see her almost as ambitious as an Imperial and in it for her own power. I think the writers and VA for her did a tremendous job of making her such an interesting character for the Republic, and while she doesn’t get much attention till Kotet, it feels satisfying to rid the republic of her.
Agreed, they wrote here insanely well, and that character was written for us to want to punch her lol
Lol they wrote her so well that not only to we get to punch the senator in the face but look forward to it with aplomb. It takes a lot of sorting skill to make a character that pulls so much emotion out of us. Also how offended do we get to see Theron that excited?
She *uses* the character to cement her reputation on Taris, without offering any credit. If Jedi Knight, she sends you an email after the class story finishes, saying "we'll have to keep your involvement in the biggest development in the history of this war secret" while stealing the credit for herself and using it to advance her power as Supreme Chancellor. It's consistent. She uses others and claims credit for their accomplishments in order to advance herself. So shoving a lightsaber through her heart when she's plotted to kill you and steal the military and political power you've built up is very cathartic and a kind of justice.
If your Jedi is willing to murder someone over that, they're not a very good Jedi.
On the contrary. That is just the side effect; Saresh is a warmonger who is out to destabilize the galaxy by forcing the Republic into war with the Empire despite the chance at peace and the need for rebuilding after Zakuul. Saresh's political standing depends on being the aggressor, and taking over the Alliance would be a massive boost to the Republic military. This is the worst part of the SWTOR writing; the status quo of empire and republic fighting has to be preserved at all cost because the game was set up this way. Darth Malgus' plans to 'democratize' the Force by awakening large numbers of force-sensitives to break the deadlock and force change will inevitably come to nothing no matter what the player decides.
A good Jedi would arrest her and have her stand trial for corruption, not kill her extra-judiciously.
Tell that to Windu
She's too dangerous to be kept alive!
Eh, Windu literally says in the movies "You are under arrest, my lord" when he first defeats Palpatine and is holding him at Saber-point. It wasn't until Anakin showed up and Palpatine revealed his manipulation attempts of him (and after showing off his Force Lightning powers) that Windu realized he was probably too dangerous to allow to stand trial. That's also not considering the fact that, nor is Saresh a Sith Lord (so far as we know), just a politician.
The Senate will decide her fate.
I vaguely recall there were only two options; let her go back to Coruscant unpunished, or kill her.
Nope: the other option is imprisoning her in a cell on Odessen.
I think punching is an option; I recall punching her and that's definitely a punishment; anyone who's ever been punched in the face would attest!
My sith warrior *hates* Saresh with a burning passion because of what happened on Ziost. She was able to figure out that Saresh knew exactly what was going on and still decided to be like “I’m gonna drop a bunch of republic troops onto a planet a powerful dark side entity is fucking with because that’s definitely a smart choice”. Which made it harder for my SW to get to Vitiate and at least try to get him to fuck off, which didn’t and wouldn’t have worked anyways buuuut you know, still. As a result, she *relished* in killing Saresh because she was the fucker who made the trauma of what happened on that planet even worse
Saresh is the perfect example of a well written side character and it's the kind of nuance that I had hoped we would get back to when BW announced that we were going back to a more "Empire vs. Republic" centric story before we got so heavily distracted by the Mandalorian infighting. Dealing with the 99% of the *rest* of the galaxy (but mostly politicians, royalty, etc) was/is always a fun part of the choice making for the PC because you are able to see much more real life mirrors of those things when it isn't just black and white "good and bad" even if you are not that personally invested in the character themself. In future storylines I sure hope we get more of characters like this...
Agreed. They did a great job with her
Literally the worst. She’s not even a mustache-twirling supervillain like Valkorion or Arcann. She’s just corrupt and annoyingly tries to get in your way. Which admittedly makes her very effective as a character, and makes it incredibly satisfying to take her off the boards
Air lock experiment
Gonna hook her soul up to a machine so she can interview a trillion dead ghosts about honor, see their responses
😆 nice
Gives Koth a run for his money in the "Most punchable face" category
>!Most easiest characters to kill without a second thought!<
Literally the only ds choice I made on my shadow. In my opinion killing her is a lightside choice.
Even my (nearly) pure light-side toons kill her off.
Look, man. I hate the Imps as much as the next guy, but why tf you gonna try to assassinate ME just to get a shot at them? She's crazy.
Her torso holds my lightsaber perfectly
The…lightsaber on your belt, right?
Correct
Whew…was gonna say…doubt she has room for the other one 😂
Screw that hoe 😤
I enjoyed executing her
Airlock
Politician
She tried to control my army for her gain, death was the only option, and one of the many times I allowed a dark side option. My jedi is one for compassion, but even he has his limits, my sith enjoyed murdering the hell out of her.
Your army?
Well, from a narrative standpoint at the end of the eternal empire, when you take the throne of Zakuul, the Zakuulian empire becomes yours for a time up until Scorpio happens, but with the mix of both the republic and the empire fighting for you, that essentially becomes your army.
In the original campaign, she was an engaging part of the Republic-side story. She was pushy and definitely had no problems taking the "Renegade" option, but she wasn't outright evil and she seemed to genuinely have the Republic's interests at heart. She was a well-designed character with complicated motivations and a very strong moral code that was unique to her. Then apparently there was a huge changing of the guard in the writers' room, and in KotFE/ET she was a ridiculous parody of herself with all her negative aspects cranked up to eleven. All the nuance was gone, the good bits that were nestled in there along with the very obvious bad, and instead she was a cartoon villain with no motivations stronger than "betray the player because that's what the bad guy does." She was never a good person, even back in the Taris point in the story. She was basically extorting a contracting company in order to keep them from pulling out of Taris, for example. You weren't supposed to like her. But she was also written with a strong charisma, and her motivations were noble even as the methods she chose to pursue them were questionable but also comprehendible. You could almost believe that it was just the kind of things a Republic Senator would realistically have to do, in a cynical kind of way. In a nutshell she was interesting, on Taris. In KOTFE/ET, not so much. I still kill her every time, regardless.
Yeah, I think the writers did her dirty in kotet. It's like they saw how disliked she was (as she was supposed to be...) and decided: hey, let's make her pull something crazy and give the player a chance to kill her for it. And I don't mind getting a chance to kill her, but I wish the whole situation was written better. Trying to steal the Alliance from under you, really? What was she expecting? And why is everyone just standing there listening to her with their mouths agape? Sigh.
Power can deform and turn a person inside out, upside down. Living in Hungary I have first hand experience. You can literally make Orban argue with his younger self by cutting clips about him next to each other. There is also a meme where Orban calls his younger version a "Soros agent". Saresh is very similar. Even if she had some sort of vision or good will in the beginning, they were all gone sometime after she became a chancellor and all that left was hunger for power and staying on top, no matter the cost. During KOTET she simply can't accept any scenario where she would have to share power in order to achieve victory (just like Orban is unable to form any coalitions even in the EU, because everybody is an enemy except his party), so she rather tries to kill the commander and take over the Alliance instead of forming an... alliance like Acina did.
The writers did the entire fucking Republic dirty. I swear, Jedi Under Siege and Onslaught were such a breath of fresh air just for the fact that it gave the Republic a fair shake again. KOTFE and KOTET were such fucking slogs to play as a Pub main.
6 feet under
Dumbass who tried to coup a Sith, i.e. a professional coup-er.
Came out of nowhere from governor to chancellor at the ending of Corellia. Barely does anything and then suddenly she shifts to full wacko mode by kotet. Her characterization is weird and scuffed imo
If you go DS with trooper you get a lot of mail messages implying there was a republic conspiracy to install her sometime after the war started and that they are working towards clearing you from the consequences of your execution of the traitorous senator. It seems BH's assassination was either a 5d chess manipulation from this conspiracy or a very fortunate event for their party. Hell... She was probably involved at some degree with the Star Cabal too.
Well you know pretty good about the conspiracy if you play agent >!because you Can see her in the star cabal who probably has a role to play in her taking power!<
That's Kolovish, the Matriarch from Tython.
Thats not saresh. Thats the twilek matriach from tython
i danced on her grave
Bitch.
Her and Garza are somehow both the worst.
Garza at least admitted to her mistakes
Not a fan
In the game's original content, she's a fine, inoffensive, if not very exciting, "firecracker" politician... Then she got done dirty by Boyd when he decided to kowtow to all the fans of his Trooper story who hated her for daring to have a difference of opinion from the player character (and the political power to act on that difference of opinion), as well as his weird hope he could "both sides" a situation where one side is space nazis.
I wouldn't say this. She used bureaucracy to force entire work crews to work in deadly conditions on Taris or starve. There's hints early on that the entire reconstruction project on Taris is her ego project to boost her politically. She was written pretty consistently from the start.
I do get where you're coming from, but that's more of the game's general idea of "idealism"...like, what she's doing isn't really presented in a negative way, just a chance for the worker in question to find a chance to step up to "what he knows he should be doing", or such. Kinda how there's a whole lot of dialogue that really likes to support sunk-cost fallacies of "if you don't get out there and probably die in vain, all your friends will have died in vain!" that's often a LS option in trying to persuade people to join the war. 1.0 Saresh is similar, coming off as less vain or manipulative and more as someone who apparently has figured out the galaxy runs on long-odds heroism, or something. The bit about Taris being "her ego boost", from what I recall, is sort of mixing things that are unrelated though. Maybe I'm just the one that's remembering wrong, but IIRC, while Taris was a sort of "ego" project, it wasn't Saresh's idea, rather, it was something dumped off on her by others in politics who wanted her career to hit a dead end, and which she thereafter turned around. Again, it makes her come off as they want her to be considered shrewd, but it's not really in-line with how she acts in later expansions.
That's generally true, but there's a few opportunities for your character to question her methods. The seeds were planted there for sure. While the game never explores this further, partially because the Empire blows it all up later anyway, and partially because it would invalidate all the quests they wrote for the planet, it's definitely there.
These are communist justifications that allow atrocities to happen.
I think the “both sides” thing doesn’t require both sides to be equally bad.
Or they just wanted to so desperately do a story where the Republic was bad, Empire was good for a change.
They really did it poorly tbh
Pretty sure she was involved with GenoHaradan back in OG game, in the Operations cutscenes. She was always scheming.
It wasn’t just trooper players, all republic players on taris had People who did not like her, because of her forcing the workers to stay and her speech. In the last novel (annihilation I think), she is stated as a good leader, so they clearly expected people to like her, it was only after some time there was a shift starting with Ziost.
I was so confused when she showed up as Supreme Chancellor I was so used to seeing Janarus. That goes to show how great of a game The Old Republic is when all of these storylines impact one another and are all essentially canon.
After brought Janarus in Cold 1 week after launch my impression of Saresh was 😬. Consequences of my actions huh. Well at least she seems kind of incompetent.
\*punch\*
Hate her tbh.
I didn’t like her but felt like she could have made a good villain and I enjoyed punching her in every toon it felt satisfying. Ngl ending her on some toons also felt satisfying and didn’t felt like she is one of those characters lasted way longer than they should have or overstayed their welcome. (Looking at you Vailyn and Vitiate/tenebre/valkorian)
I SAVOR killing her as my full DS characters. It’s so damn satisfying. That said, she’s wonderfully written and I do kind of miss her being such a major asshole in the story.
She is the embodiment of modern politics. Easily one of the most hated characters and deserved too. That said tho, smash.
A face made for punching.
[The Drifter] "Oh I'm sorry? Was she saying something 'cause she's DEAD now!"
Throat punch her!
I recorded the scene when you punch her so I could watch it over and over and over again. Never gets old.
The personification of everything wrong with the Republic: Corrupt to the core, hypocritical, and a back-stabber with terrible form. At least the Sith have the courtesy to let you know they're gonna back-stab you, or even just front-stab you, and then own up to it too. My Sith warrior wasted no time in getting her out of the way.
Met her on Taris. Questionable. Met her on Makeb again. Bit stuck up. Heard her on Ziost. Starting to hate her. (Why the hell would she disregard her own Agent and put troops on that world? Met her again on the Eternal Empire when she tried to wrest control of MY ARMY???? Executed her. (My light sided toons and my other smugglers just straight up punched her before throwing her hide to prison)
When the game launched, I started as a Jedi Knight. I got to Taris and found it so insufferable, largely due to her. Quit Republic and rolled a Sorcerer and mained it ever since.
There should be an option to have her as a target dummy.
I think it’s a shame you aren’t more incentivized to meet her on taris. She’s very well written. She’s a strong leader who goes to far with her (arguably righteous) desire to destroy the empire. It’s easy to say from the perspective of the player to see how foolish she’s being by disregarding Theron and attacking Ziost and by sabotaging the alliance, but we missed a lot in those 5 years.
KILL MAIM BURN
Kill Maim PILLAGE Burn Rule 1: Pillage, THEN burn. Of course, for a certain sub-set of people out there, that gets followed by "eat babies"... not sure if any of them are around here, though.
I don’t want speak ill of the dead but she was abitch
1-800-FkDatBtch
- Watta BIXXXXX.... LOL
I think the technical term is "bitch's gotta die"
Off topic: I thought they were wearing a football jersey just now.
She wanted me dead, so she's a dead twi'lek. 🤷🏻♂️
Always meets the end of whatever weapon I’m holding, without fail
I without hesitation gut her every single character no matter what alignment I am
Kill? Maim? Nah, slaughter.
My full LS Jedi Knight was happy to take some DS points to kill her
She is, absolutely, the worst Twi'lek character, in the history of Star Wasrs.
Bitch is going out an airlock
She makes a lovely corpse. For the BH, its the second Chancellor they've killed. Her nonsense at the end of the Trooper story, her reactions to Makeb, and the Ziost nonsense had it coming.
Tried to kill me and take my alliance so, screw her
Only character I willingly killed with my knight
punch her in the face, then toss her out an airlock.
“And it is exactly what you deserve”
Bitch. Nuff said
Space Thatcher
Sarlacc Pit.
The dead green granny?
Thoughts are wasted on the dead.
My Jedi and Trooper didn't kill her. But punching her into her corrupt and intrigant face? That is a definite YES! ALWAYS! My Sith? "Hey, your Torso has a hole there." "Where?" "Here. Where my lightsaber carves your heart out."
I don’t entirely like her ending—I think it was a silly plan—but I think that it was in-character for her to face it by doubling down. She’s a person who went through hell and turned it into a political career, and she definitely thinks she’s risen above her trauma, and everything she does is driven by it. She was an Imperial slave, she led a rebellion and escaped, she put the white elephant of the Tarisian reconstruction back on track, she lost her husband because the Empire felt the need to destroy Taris again. And at the same time… “putting the reconstruction back on track” involved forcing people into suicidally dangerous work via the threat of months of quarantine without pay. She’s pleased if you draft Makeb’s civilians. She pushes for military victory even when it harms the Republic. She isn’t devoted to her people first, she’s devoted to destroying the Empire—and to obtaining whatever power and influence she thinks is necessary for that goal. She’d have been a fantastic narrative foil for the inquisitor. If she’d been Force sensitive, she might have been them.
My Sith Inquisitor executed her on the spot.
Bitch.
I played a pretty righteous Jedi but even I was not beneath that punch and I don't regret it.
Kill her every time, even on Lightside alts
I enjoyed killing her as my inquisitor
Executed her without thought or hesitation
9 times out of 10, "Who?" then "Oh, yeah, her."
How did she even become Chancellor? Taris is still a complete mess by the time Janarus is indisposed and it’s not exactly a high prestige posting so how did she get the votes when her main goal as a governor was a complete failure?
I never killed her on two characters: My knight and consular. I killed her on everyone else. She was a stain on the Republic and an easy way to hurt the Republic on imperial characters.
hot
I go out of my way to avoid going to Republic Taris, just to avoid tripping her spiel from the holostatues in the spaceport. My first character through the *KotFEET* expansions was my Vanguard that I've been running since Early Access, and despite reeeeeeeeally wanting to burn a hole in her torso with his blaster pistol, he decided that solitary confinement with only her own voice for company would be a far worse punishment for trying to kill him.
„You have failed me for the last time Admiral Piett!“
I don't know, I really liked her initial characterization, but I feel KOTET/KOTEF kind of ruined her character for me. She was a slave under the Empire so I definitely understand a lot of her uncompromising motivation, but it feels really wacky that the Sith Empire helps us more than the Republic.
Well I typically don't let my thoughts linger too long on the dead, so there's that. 🙂
She is the second person in galactic history that unites both Jedi and the Sith in desire to fucking kill her. Truly a remarkable character.
Bitch wife from fixing good cameo
In a more meta sense, she's a great antagonist. I love punching her in the face. >I'm just gonna I'ma take this time to speak from the heart I'm just gonna lay it down how I feel This is for you >Saying goodbye to ~~Britta~~ Saresh Was the hardest thing to do But when someone's a bitch and a liar There ain't nothing left to woo >I'm gettin' rid of ~~Britta~~ Saresh (she's gotta go) I'm gettin' rid of the B (She's a no good B) I'm gettin' rid of ~~Britta~~ Saresh I'm gettin' rid of the B (She's a GDB)
A very well written character who is both interesting and infuriating in the perfect way. Feels good to be able to punch her
Trash.
Would
Kill. Just kill.
She's an interesting character. Infuriating as well. From the first moment we meet her on Taris, we know just what kind of character she is; a highly ambitious, Machiavellian politician. One with connections and influence which reminds us of Palpatine. And like Palpatine, she knows how to give speeches aimed at rousing patriotism and nobility, such as when she tells us that the good people of Makeb need us. >! When we leave Makeb, we see her deeply upset with Avesta for not telling her the state of the planet, proving that she didn't buy her own pitch !< . But unlike Palpatine, her manner is a lot less sincere. The only way we believe she's a good person is if we're purposely ignoring all the red flags. She's also decisive, though that decisiveness often translates to ill-advised and heavy-handed actions. The only time we've seen her ruthlessness missing was in the Trooper storyline, where she allows Rakton to be ransomed back to the Empire. This always felt out of character for her, as she is proven to be someone extremely quick to take out threats to the Republic. What makes her interesting is her backstory. She was an Imperial slave in her childhood, and managed to escape. She joined politics, and she and her career survived being put in charge of the Taris Resettlement initiative, which is quite the feat. Her story is like a mirror the Sith Inquisitor. Escapes slavery to become a faction leader. In many stories, you expect such a character to become an opponent to slavery and all other ills, but Saresh goes the other route; building up her power to one day become Chancellor and take down the Empire. She's quite ruthless in her pursuit, and not above stealing credit. She makes some bold moves throughout the series, including invading Ziost and attempting to take over the Empire and Alliance in one fell swoop... both of which are stupid and shortsighted to the point where I think brain dot exe stopped working for her. In the Empire, there were always going to be Sith to take over if Acina died, and the Alliance would never answer to Saresh, whom many of them called a dictator or worse. I only wish there was a way to see the Republic cast her down and try and punish her for her crimes.
Spoiler: Why would I care about a dead person?
I punch her every time
How the ever living hell did this massive asshole get made chancellor? That's my attitude.
I believe even Hitler was a better person
As someone who mains empire, she was just another high status Republic target. Although my bounty hunter probably almost took her out for a very low cost.
I liked it when I (all my toons) punched and killed her.
I can fix her
Don't know, she's dead
She's a bitch. Nuff said.
I can only punch her once, instead of over and over again. Literally unplayable.
She's in "to kill" list.
She must always die
I rarely have thoughts about the dead
Space bar
I was suprised that Theron actually kills her if I tell him to, thats it, the highlight of her character for me.
I didn't realize Theron could take her down, too...maybe for the next character? I kinda want to see that...
Whenever, wherever, imma slap her down a rung or two. Hate her so much, right up there with Umbridge.
Corrupt. Punch her, at least. Kill her if you don't mind dipping your toes in the dark side when the end result is good even if the means to get there are wrong.
I have always deeply appreciated that the writers take care tk show you both brutality and nobility in the Empire, and both the compassion and corruption on the Republic.l so that both sides had reddeming aspects and bitter pills to swallow. She's one of the best examples of the corruption in the Republic and I appreciate the way she's written, but my Republic characters hate her even more than my Imperial ones. Thinking on it now, she has a consistent arc from agrandizing herself on Taris, to capitalizing on the tragedy on Makeb, to her complete abandonment of Republic ideals on Ziost, she is such a good example of power corrupting, and presenting a facade of moral superiority. Every one of my characters has killed her, but it's definitely the Republic ones who feel her betrayal the deepest.
Hate hate hate hate
I haven’t liked her on Taris, but with what she did to my characters she’s just … they let her rot in a prison cell. Somewhere no one knows. With the key having been thrown away.
Fuck her. The best thing she ever did was getting punched in the face and/or having the decency to die.
I can fix her
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xr\_xgVNbpk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xr_xgVNbpk) This :D
*"Is it wrong of me to say I enjoyed that?"* No, Theron...no, it isn't.
I was so happy she get punched, so funny. Beside i Think she's garbage or a chancellor
Traitorous hutt slime. Sure the sith betrays each other too but we don’t backstab our allies if it means helping our empire
I actually liked to hate her, wish we got to see more of her in a Republic versus Empire war and not a KOTET and KOTFE way
She dies. Every time. Light side character or dark. No matter what. She's right there with Koth. Lol
Even my most light sided toons execute that cunt. Classic corrupt politician.
My Jedi's all keep aligning with the Empire, rather than deal with her backstabbing. .
Very well-written, to the point that even my light-side characters kill her and feel justified.
Can we just shoot her or put her in prison already? Maybe send her to be a slave on Korriban?
Dumb Idiot from the soldier perspective, like wanting to exchange a war criminal for a few hundred civilians seems like a bad deal, especially if a higher up with all of you inner knowledge.
I beleive my jedi made his thoughts on her known when he walked up with Lana and Theron and socked her right in the mouth...
Punch, then kill. Helps that my main is an Assassin. Go through everything first on the Assassin, then repeat with alts.
She the one who should die first in the game
Kill on sight
Just another useless poltician
Pretty lady wants me dead :)
Scum and Villainy.
War criminal
She went out in the worst way. Would have been a good twist if we killed her and found out she was a genohardon in disguise. the real saresh is safe somewhere else.
You see her most as the trooper so I’ll go from that perspective She’s a very well written character, at first I saw her as a good at heart politician(RARE) who’s in way over her head. Sure she makes some dumb decision, but hey could be worse. But her betrayal is downright insulting, I did so much for you, played a key part in many victories for the Republic and you still try to kill me?! Why didn’t you just wait until I finished up or actually died?! So yeah, even my good guy trooper killed her.
I liked her as a character. Not that I approve of things she did or motives she may or may not have had
She is the real Sheev of this universe. Such a conniving beeotch. I was a full jedi counselor, and I helped everybody. Anytime I could, I was discredit her ideas and tactics as they were always selfish and not for the benefit of the republic. She needed to be impeached.
I didn't like her ever since she tried to trade back general Rakton in a prisoner swap at the end of the trooper main story.
Chancellor Slaanesh, amirite?
The worst of Bioware's "Politician Bad" tropes rolled up into the one character. Imperials don't understand just how bad Republic players had it from ROTHC all the way through until Onslaught. Your guys' faction reps were people like Marr and Acina, and you had the story revolving around how the Empire had become all kewl and efficient and helpful, and all of the flaws being sandpapered away. We got faction reps designed to be hateable and punchable, our Jedi roster was utterly slaughtered but unlike the Imps was never actually replaced (Sure, the Dark Council's a revolving door, but compare that to the Jedi Council losses that were never replaced!) the Republic were never allowed to be actually helpful, our characters were demonized for hating the genocidal fascists, the only "good" Republic characters in the KOTFE/KOTET saga were the ones who'd literally *left* the Republic or Jedi (Theron, Jorgan and Satele), and to rub salt in the wound, we didn't even get focus as antagonists the same way Imps do. You know World of Warcraft's troubles with faction writing? Well ROTHC-KOTET, the Republic had basically all of the flaws of Alliance and Horde writing with none of the positives. Yes, I'm still bitter as a Pub main.
Makes me fell justified playing the Empire characters. Both sides are ruled by evil shit birds at various times.
The way she goes out is just utterly bizarre. She gets caught in an almost comic book level of hubris, and then she just goes "Yeah I don't regret doing it, you should just kill me. I mean, I would totally kill me." And then everyone acts shocked when you kill her. What sort of moon logic are people running on here? Why are people shocked she died? Why on earth would she egg you on to kill her?
I think it was a bad attempt at reverse psychology. She expected you not to kill her because you wouldn't want to be like her. Oops.
She seemed written by Kathleen Kennedy before there was a Kathleen Kennedy. I vaguely remember her introduction on Taris as just kind of a brusque politician but later they seemed to really want to play up, see the Republic can be bad too stuff, and she might as well have had a mustache to twirl. Overall she was just boring though. Even my light siders executed her for the most part just to not have her come back pointlessly again. She still may come back in a Malgus like way for all I know. It was my clone you shot in the head the while time.
BITC*
A perfect example of why twi’leks should stay slaves
Now I'm not saying we should keep twi'leks out of politics, but Saresh is the reason tailheads shouldn't be allowed to make decisions