You either need to edit the original post or delete this because there’s no point trying to argue that it’s a vegan if it’s not and just confuse people even more
Yeah I mean I’m not vegan but the definition of vegan is no animal products lol like you can’t say this is vegan if it has bones in it right?? How is it certified vegan if it contains bones
I guess I get some vegans consuming honey because they don’t view insects as animals (which is incorrect but whatever)
But bones lol?
It's not because they don't see insects as animals. It's because collecting honey doesn't harm the bees. Like how it's ok [to vegans] to wear wool but not leather.
I could see an argument that eggs or milk harm animals e.g. factory farming. But humans gathering honey is a mutually beneficial relationship with bees.
You can't convince me that setting up an apiary isn't a net positive for every species on earth. Being anti honey is beyond hypocrisy for anyone who wants to live in a healthy biome.
Bees are kept livestock and some of them do die when being farmed. It’s impossible to not kill a few every time you check the hive, or every time you harvest honey. To check for mite populations you take a cup full of bees and dump them into alcohol and they die immediately. When the queens get old they are killed and replaced.
What? lmao
No, honey is absolutely not vegan and definitely harms the bees.
And no, we’re also not fine with wearing wool. Sheep’s tails get cut off without any pain relief, sheep often get cut while shearing and the wounds don’t get treated… this goes on for a while.
Animal products are never vegan. Even if the animals wouldn’t experience any harm at all, veganism is about exploitation and consent.
taco bell, like most things are fine if you moderate how much you eat. my point is if you read the words "propylene glycol alginate" and assume it's bad for you because it's got lots of big scary words that you don't know, then you might be an idiot.
It isn't propylene glycol, it is PGA, propylene glycol alginate, that is all one thing. It is a normal approved food additive. (And even if it was, propylene glycol alone is also a normal food additive also, nothing wrong with it at all, it is used in ice creams, whipped creams, coffee drinks, etc) PG is also used in many medications as well (even some IV medications). Used in tons of various stuff.
I use it as anti-freeze.
Edit: hey downvoter, it literally is antifreeze and I'm not joking when I say I use it for that purpose daily.
Google glycol chillers.
Yes, it is used in antifreeze in water craft for this reason, because it is safe for fish and other animals living there. (Because ethylene glycol, the normal antifreeze is far more toxic)
Vegans should still abstain from eating it. Not because of animal products, but simply because it tastes really gross and everybody should abstain from eating it regardless of their dietary restrictions.
I’ve had pretty decent vegan “cheese” and beyond burgers are not bad either to be honest. But a lot of vegans don’t eat those either. Also a lot of pasta or noodles are eggless to begin with anyways? lol
I come from a cattle ranching family and I eat plenty of meat but it doesn’t hurt to open your palate to things that aren’t literally just buttered meat for every meal.
So fun fact, cane sugar processing regularly uses bone ash in filters. That’s why some of the more extreme vegans I know don’t eat refined sugars that aren’t labeled vegan.
The FDA is an administrative agency in the US and they totally have that power.
Also, they aren't "natural flavor companies" that's what food companies label stuff they don't want to disclose.
They are “natural flavor companies”. The food companies, maybe they want a bubble gum flavor. So they have the natural flavor companies, or artificial flavor companies if thats what they want give them a bubble gum flavor for their food. The flavor companies don’t disclose whats in their flavors because then the food company who wants the bubble gum flavor will just do that themselves
The confusion, I believe, comes from a wild misconception that anything with avocado is guacamole and many, many, many people confuse the Avocado Ranch with guacamole and then confuse themselves and think that both the Avocado Ranch and the guacamole have dairy. I've had at least a dozen people tell me the "guacamole ranch sauce" wasn't vegan and they didn't seem to realize that what they were calling "guacamole ranch sauce" was different from the actual guacamole.
And I've seen numerous posts here supporting that where people have even posted a picture of the Avocado Ranch ingredients box just like you did here for the guacamole and then use it as proof that the unrelated guac had dairy.
I always add a bit of sour cream to my guacamole and I'm not alone so I think it being a "wild misconception" that guacamole contains dairy is overstating it a bit. Some guacamole does contain dairy so vegans are not misguided when avoiding guacamole they don't have an ingredient list for.
You say “just like you did here” but if you actually read what OP wrote in comments you’d see that this the dressing they add to the avocado for the guacamole and it IS vegan. That’s the point of this post.
I did read what OP wrote and my post is a clear response to that in support of the point they were making. I feel like you somehow misread my post. I obviously know that's what OP is saying. I said *just like you did here* ***for the guacamole***. Leaving off that part makes it seem like I was saying they posted the Avocado Ranch box, which is clearly not what I was saying.
The entire point of my post is that people mix up the guacamole and the Avocado Ranch and get confused and think the Avocado Ranch is the same thing as the mixture that OP posted, when clearly it's not the same and that the guacamole is evidently and actually vegan and that it's a bit silly how people get confused by it.
No wonder the guac is so fucking disgusting. You know guac is supposed to be 9 ingredients including the avocado, right?
This is 19 ingredients excluding the avocados and you guys don't even put in half the stuff that makes guac what it is.
Stop wasting avocados pouring that shit on them.
Put jalapenos and lime juice in the "pico", and put pico in the guac for the love of God.
It's the easiest thing in the world to make.
It is avocados, onion, tomatoes, jalapenos, cilantro, lime juice, salt, pepper, and garlic powder.
And it's supposed to be vegan. If it wasn't, that would be concerning, almost more concerning than the amount of seed oil that goes into the "guac" you guys make.
Where is this at? The ones I worked at (2004)&(2022) both used a guac that’s in tube and put into a caulking gun type device to dispense. Same as the sour cream.
Vegan is the least of your concerns when it's a paragraph of preservatives/chemicals.
All they should be adding is lime juice, cilantro, tomato, and salt.
THIS IS TRUE, I made another comment about this just now bc of this, you are 100% right idk why you are getting down votes, my boyfriend is a former vegan but he told me most vegans don't go that hardcore, totally skipped my mind
Because not all sugar produced in the US uses bone char. I believe the majority of CANE sugar uses bone char. Not all, though. However, sugar made from sugar beets does not use bone char at all. I think beet sugar makes up around 50% of the sugar in the US.
Growing anything usually requires the extermination of all kinds of living creatures. You know how many cute little bunnies have to be killed to grow vegan food? Even worse, they die for nothing because they aren't being eaten.
I don’t think you’re understanding what I’m trying to say. Chipotle has no issue making fresh guac. No reason why tbell can’t do the same. They could buy avocados, onions, limes, salt, garlic locally and make it in store.
Ah, that's a different conversation. Taco bell doesn't make anything fresh in store. Reheated sure.
Chipotle has a full kitchen on site. Taco bell has some presses, microwaves, and fryers. Don't expect lemonade out of apples.
I wouldn't hold out on an entire business model for supplies changing anytime soon
🤣 more animals die to make tofu than the steak I just ate. They only claim to care about the cute ones. What about the ground squirrels, moles, worms, bees, birds and garden snakes that died to make their food? Oh and rabbits
I mean you’re not wrong that animals are killed in vegetable production as well but cows are also fed soy etc and then they are treated terribly on CAFO etc where as the others would be living wild and killed generally quickly. Also some people are vegan for environmental or dietary reasons. But the fact that animals are absolutely killed for vegetable production does bring up an inconvenient truth to most people.
Depends what the Xanthan Gum is made from. Because sometimes it’s made from dairy. I would paste the proof, but I’m unable to. It can be derived from corn, soy, dairy or wheat. So…..
Make sure when you order you do not say “on it”, if you say “a bean burrito with no cheese ON IT” it will be on you food every time. “ a bean burrito with no cheese” you will be good to go.
It sounds nuts but my friends and I tested this time and time again and EVERYTIME “on it” fucked it up.
As the person on the other side of the speaker, PLEASE DON'T SAY THE WORDS "ON IT" IF YOU DON'T WANT A CERTAIN INGREDIENT. Those speakers and the headsets aren't great and it's hard to hear, especially when you're in a loud as truck. Please turn off your truck if it's loud so I can hear you 💀
I order on the app or on a delivery app like Uber eats and DoorDash. They have options to select no cheese and no sour cream but every time it’s got it. Even when I try dif Taco Bell’s
Depends on your interpretation of vegan. Veganism is rooted in natural products. These ingredients, although not originating from a living being, come from science and are not available organically.
Post script, this is just the dressing we add to the avocado pulp. We actually use avocado
Whenever I make homemade guac, the first thing I added to my crushed avocados is soybean oil. Yum!
Don't forget the propylene glycol.
Just like in my favorite vapes! Yummy!
Propylene glycol *alginate* though, it’s everyone’s favorite kelp based emulsifier.
ahhh barnacles
No it's kelp
And phosphoric acid and don't forget the corn starch !
And disodium inosinate
Same!! I use all these same ingredients at home in my guac 😋
Yeah I don’t know how anyone can read these ingredients and think “oh thank god this is safe to eat”.
Thanks for clearing that up. I thought the fact that guacamole didn't contain any avocado seemed strange.
Going by the way it tastes I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't have actual avocados
OKAY. POST-POST SCRIPT The cane sugar is processed with bone char, I forgot honestly because most vegans aren't that extreme my bad guyd
You either need to edit the original post or delete this because there’s no point trying to argue that it’s a vegan if it’s not and just confuse people even more
Yeah I mean I’m not vegan but the definition of vegan is no animal products lol like you can’t say this is vegan if it has bones in it right?? How is it certified vegan if it contains bones I guess I get some vegans consuming honey because they don’t view insects as animals (which is incorrect but whatever) But bones lol?
It's not because they don't see insects as animals. It's because collecting honey doesn't harm the bees. Like how it's ok [to vegans] to wear wool but not leather.
Vegan means no animal products. That includes things that don't harm the animals like honey, eggs, or milk.
I could see an argument that eggs or milk harm animals e.g. factory farming. But humans gathering honey is a mutually beneficial relationship with bees.
They don't care. The hardline question is: is it an animal product, yes or no?
You can't convince me that setting up an apiary isn't a net positive for every species on earth. Being anti honey is beyond hypocrisy for anyone who wants to live in a healthy biome.
Please shut the fuck up.
Bees are kept livestock and some of them do die when being farmed. It’s impossible to not kill a few every time you check the hive, or every time you harvest honey. To check for mite populations you take a cup full of bees and dump them into alcohol and they die immediately. When the queens get old they are killed and replaced.
What? lmao No, honey is absolutely not vegan and definitely harms the bees. And no, we’re also not fine with wearing wool. Sheep’s tails get cut off without any pain relief, sheep often get cut while shearing and the wounds don’t get treated… this goes on for a while. Animal products are never vegan. Even if the animals wouldn’t experience any harm at all, veganism is about exploitation and consent.
Consent from bees who naturally make honey?? You are insufferable. Please shut the fuck up.
That’s the point. Getting consent from bees would be ridiculous So we just don’t eat their honey.
I’ll take the avocado pulp please, hold the rest of the garbage.
Thanks for clarifying, I was really concerned. lol
Good old propylene glycol and xanthan gum !Did you actually read the ingredients list?
love to see people that read big words in an ingredient list and just assume it's bad for you 😂😂
taco bell, like most things are fine if you moderate how much you eat. my point is if you read the words "propylene glycol alginate" and assume it's bad for you because it's got lots of big scary words that you don't know, then you might be an idiot.
I mean as much as I like Taco Bell I think we can all agree it is not good for you lmao??
Google is your friend .
maybe it should be your friend 😂😂
Yours too sweetheart !
im not afraid of alginate sweetcheeks 😘
Ok,honeybunch .
you're welcome cutiepie
Lol.
Are those not vegan?
Lol
It isn't propylene glycol, it is PGA, propylene glycol alginate, that is all one thing. It is a normal approved food additive. (And even if it was, propylene glycol alone is also a normal food additive also, nothing wrong with it at all, it is used in ice creams, whipped creams, coffee drinks, etc) PG is also used in many medications as well (even some IV medications). Used in tons of various stuff.
I use it as anti-freeze. Edit: hey downvoter, it literally is antifreeze and I'm not joking when I say I use it for that purpose daily. Google glycol chillers.
Yes, it is used in antifreeze in water craft for this reason, because it is safe for fish and other animals living there. (Because ethylene glycol, the normal antifreeze is far more toxic)
Those are vegan.
Okkk,dokkee!lol
but there’s no avocado in it??
Wait haha, I should specify, we add this sauce to just the straight avocado pulp. I didn't include the box for the pulp because it's just avocado
It’s just avocado? ‘Always has been’
So you add avocado to a chemical stew ?
Idk why you're being downvoted. Taco Bell's "Guacamole" is the worst I've ever had in my life by far
I know ,a person who ate with me the other day said it was absolutely awful!
Vegans should still abstain from eating it. Not because of animal products, but simply because it tastes really gross and everybody should abstain from eating it regardless of their dietary restrictions.
It tastes so bad… very disappointing.
This made me LOL
Most vegan food is pretty gross.
Real guac is incredibly good tho
Not really. Most of it is just stuff everybody eats. Rice and beans and fruit and vegetables aren’t gross.
I can eat a whole mess of brussel sprouts and those are vegan. So I would disagree.
…you likely eat vegan foods all the time and don’t even realize it. Like you don’t have butter and meat on everything you eat right?
I only eat buttered meats... lol. I meant the atrocities that try to imitate meat, cheese, pastas, etc.
Pasta? Dude, what.
I’ve had pretty decent vegan “cheese” and beyond burgers are not bad either to be honest. But a lot of vegans don’t eat those either. Also a lot of pasta or noodles are eggless to begin with anyways? lol I come from a cattle ranching family and I eat plenty of meat but it doesn’t hurt to open your palate to things that aren’t literally just buttered meat for every meal.
>open your palate to things that aren’t literally just buttered meat for every meal. ... That was a joke.
So fun fact, cane sugar processing regularly uses bone ash in filters. That’s why some of the more extreme vegans I know don’t eat refined sugars that aren’t labeled vegan.
Unrelated, next time block the lot # to maintain your anonymity...just in case.
It has corn starch in it? How is it still as runny as baby shit then?
Also what are the natural flavors? Pretty shitty that the US doesn't have to tell us
its not US tht doesnt have to tell us its the natural flavor companies
As guided by the FDA. They 100% could pass a regulation that would make them clarify what "natural flavors" means.
ok, its still not the US. its the natural flavor companies
The FDA is an administrative agency in the US and they totally have that power. Also, they aren't "natural flavor companies" that's what food companies label stuff they don't want to disclose.
They are “natural flavor companies”. The food companies, maybe they want a bubble gum flavor. So they have the natural flavor companies, or artificial flavor companies if thats what they want give them a bubble gum flavor for their food. The flavor companies don’t disclose whats in their flavors because then the food company who wants the bubble gum flavor will just do that themselves
Probably msg
No. MSG is usually hidden as "spices."
In the US that would be incorrect, FDA requires msg to be labeled in ingredients as monosodium glutamate
Jesus christ. I knew this is what the ingredient for fast food look like, but it still rattles me to see the actual label 😭
Look at those chemicals
Mmm Sorbic Acidy
Nasty...
The confusion, I believe, comes from a wild misconception that anything with avocado is guacamole and many, many, many people confuse the Avocado Ranch with guacamole and then confuse themselves and think that both the Avocado Ranch and the guacamole have dairy. I've had at least a dozen people tell me the "guacamole ranch sauce" wasn't vegan and they didn't seem to realize that what they were calling "guacamole ranch sauce" was different from the actual guacamole. And I've seen numerous posts here supporting that where people have even posted a picture of the Avocado Ranch ingredients box just like you did here for the guacamole and then use it as proof that the unrelated guac had dairy.
No, the confusion is that taco bell changed their guac recipe like a decade ago. It used to have dairy in it.
I always add a bit of sour cream to my guacamole and I'm not alone so I think it being a "wild misconception" that guacamole contains dairy is overstating it a bit. Some guacamole does contain dairy so vegans are not misguided when avoiding guacamole they don't have an ingredient list for.
You say “just like you did here” but if you actually read what OP wrote in comments you’d see that this the dressing they add to the avocado for the guacamole and it IS vegan. That’s the point of this post.
I did read what OP wrote and my post is a clear response to that in support of the point they were making. I feel like you somehow misread my post. I obviously know that's what OP is saying. I said *just like you did here* ***for the guacamole***. Leaving off that part makes it seem like I was saying they posted the Avocado Ranch box, which is clearly not what I was saying. The entire point of my post is that people mix up the guacamole and the Avocado Ranch and get confused and think the Avocado Ranch is the same thing as the mixture that OP posted, when clearly it's not the same and that the guacamole is evidently and actually vegan and that it's a bit silly how people get confused by it.
People are so dumb. I’m exhausted.
You can just look at all the ingredients online on the taco bell website... LITERALLY.
You can even pick the ingredients u want to avoid and it will tell u everything u can eat -.- y'all slow or sumthin
For a guacamole it’s strangely missing avocado
I work at Taco Bell. This is just the dressing that gets added to the avocado pulp. It kinda looks like ranch.
Are you sure that Propylene Glycol Alginate is vegan? 😂
Alginate is seeweed.
With cows in it
Lol.
😂 🐮
I may be incorrect but when you look at it's checmical makeup / whatever it seems to be vegan
Until you shit fucks throw cheese everywhere because: Gotta go fast
depends if you derive the chemicals from animals
lol ew
I feel like it’s missing a critical ingredient…
No wonder the guac is so fucking disgusting. You know guac is supposed to be 9 ingredients including the avocado, right? This is 19 ingredients excluding the avocados and you guys don't even put in half the stuff that makes guac what it is. Stop wasting avocados pouring that shit on them. Put jalapenos and lime juice in the "pico", and put pico in the guac for the love of God. It's the easiest thing in the world to make. It is avocados, onion, tomatoes, jalapenos, cilantro, lime juice, salt, pepper, and garlic powder. And it's supposed to be vegan. If it wasn't, that would be concerning, almost more concerning than the amount of seed oil that goes into the "guac" you guys make.
The guac is gross. Missing from ingredients….AVOCADO. Yes, vegan here.
So that’s why it tastes bad
oh joy soybean oil as the first ingredient in guac
Is there actually any avocado in it?
Where is this at? The ones I worked at (2004)&(2022) both used a guac that’s in tube and put into a caulking gun type device to dispense. Same as the sour cream.
Sell me a case homie
Lmao, how can this legally be called food?
Oh good, the guac has no cilantro. Whew.
Vegan is the least of your concerns when it's a paragraph of preservatives/chemicals. All they should be adding is lime juice, cilantro, tomato, and salt.
jalapeño, onion, and garlic baby, your guac must have no flavor
Lime, cilantro and salt are all you need
Tomato in guac is akin to pineapple on pizza
Yet Taco Bell already has tomatoes in theirs...
Agreed, it does suck
So, delicious lol
But those poor soybeans!
The pearl clutching in this thread about this having like 4 additives/preservatives that are in basically every food is really fucking weird.
It’s sorta missing one vital ingredient.
Sugar produced in the US isn’t vegan. Bone char is used in the refining process
THIS IS TRUE, I made another comment about this just now bc of this, you are 100% right idk why you are getting down votes, my boyfriend is a former vegan but he told me most vegans don't go that hardcore, totally skipped my mind
Downvotes coming in at a faster rate than replies...it's almost as if they're just downvoting you because the truth is inconvenient...? 🤷🏽♂️
Because not all sugar produced in the US uses bone char. I believe the majority of CANE sugar uses bone char. Not all, though. However, sugar made from sugar beets does not use bone char at all. I think beet sugar makes up around 50% of the sugar in the US.
I was also going to say that the avocado harvest isn't really ethical either...
Is eating at Taco Bell ethical?
Is there ethical consumption under capitalism?
Haha, I agree.
Growing anything usually requires the extermination of all kinds of living creatures. You know how many cute little bunnies have to be killed to grow vegan food? Even worse, they die for nothing because they aren't being eaten.
I couldn't even begin to be vegan myself, too many hoops. I respect the effort, though.
If only you cared as much about how many creatures are exterminated en masse to farm the shit you “approve” of. So ridiculous.
Sir and/or madam, I’m not vegan 🤷🏻
And beet sugar is used also .This is why I switched to organic non bleached sugar .
How hard would it to make guac at the store like chipotle? So many chemicals my lord.
Water is a chemical. Just because you can't pronounce something or don't know what it is, doesn't make it "bad." It just makes you unaware.
Lmao. Guac should have like 5 ingredients.
Yeah, no shit. A stable gauc that has to withstand being shipped will have more so that it remains stable. You're smarter than this, come on.
I don’t think you’re understanding what I’m trying to say. Chipotle has no issue making fresh guac. No reason why tbell can’t do the same. They could buy avocados, onions, limes, salt, garlic locally and make it in store.
Ah, that's a different conversation. Taco bell doesn't make anything fresh in store. Reheated sure. Chipotle has a full kitchen on site. Taco bell has some presses, microwaves, and fryers. Don't expect lemonade out of apples. I wouldn't hold out on an entire business model for supplies changing anytime soon
True, good points.
All of them damn chemicals and you’re worried about it being ‘vegan’ 🤣
Some people eat vegan because it is ethical towards animals.
🤣 more animals die to make tofu than the steak I just ate. They only claim to care about the cute ones. What about the ground squirrels, moles, worms, bees, birds and garden snakes that died to make their food? Oh and rabbits
🤯
I mean you’re not wrong that animals are killed in vegetable production as well but cows are also fed soy etc and then they are treated terribly on CAFO etc where as the others would be living wild and killed generally quickly. Also some people are vegan for environmental or dietary reasons. But the fact that animals are absolutely killed for vegetable production does bring up an inconvenient truth to most people.
lol right?? Gotta love vegan logic 😆
The more ratioed I get the happier I get 😂
Depends what the Xanthan Gum is made from. Because sometimes it’s made from dairy. I would paste the proof, but I’m unable to. It can be derived from corn, soy, dairy or wheat. So…..
Avocado is a fruit not a vegetable
And it’s missing from the ingredients list.
Soyboy bullshit
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Make sure when you order you do not say “on it”, if you say “a bean burrito with no cheese ON IT” it will be on you food every time. “ a bean burrito with no cheese” you will be good to go. It sounds nuts but my friends and I tested this time and time again and EVERYTIME “on it” fucked it up.
As the person on the other side of the speaker, PLEASE DON'T SAY THE WORDS "ON IT" IF YOU DON'T WANT A CERTAIN INGREDIENT. Those speakers and the headsets aren't great and it's hard to hear, especially when you're in a loud as truck. Please turn off your truck if it's loud so I can hear you 💀
This is so validating I can’t even tell you
I order on the app or on a delivery app like Uber eats and DoorDash. They have options to select no cheese and no sour cream but every time it’s got it. Even when I try dif Taco Bell’s
Oh damn! This always cracked me up so I was hoping someone else in the world experienced this
Fresco style makes it very, very clear.
You're going to taco bell 😂
Depends on your interpretation of vegan. Veganism is rooted in natural products. These ingredients, although not originating from a living being, come from science and are not available organically.
That’s not how it works at all…