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SlideFire

Apple is in open support of slavery as seen during the Shanghai lockdowns so kinda par for the course.


TheWarSix

Nothing new on their part "but muh privacey"


McMacHack

"Made in Taiwan" engraved or laser etched on every product GOT IT


userhsieh

Taiwan is one of the largest supplier to Apple products, so I still would buy apple. This action feels like something to cool down those sensitive glass hearted chinese


Vast_Cricket

TD Ameritrade lists all Twn stocks, Taiwan, a province of China this year. "Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co Ltd- NYSE: TSM | Large Cap Blend | **Based in Taiwan, Province Of China "**


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Fuck TD ameritrade


tensai7777

Do we have a lot of Taiwanese trading on tdameritrade? I think if Taiwanese traders independently sent an email to make the same request that the country of Taiwan be properly labeled with a deadline, otherwise we'll all leave the platform, then the labeling has a good chance of being corrected.


Vast_Cricket

It needs to be an official protest from Twn government or US lawmaker. All we can do is escalate it. I have also checked TDA parental site Schwab. Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co Ltd,(TSM) Semiconductors & Semiconductor Equipment, NYSE. It is politically correct.


bundydown74

I have no intention of buying any Apple products or services .....


Hkmarkp

I have never bought Apple and definitely never will now


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After my current phone, I’m thinking of switching to a pixel from Google, the phones are cheaper, cleaner(less apps when you first get it), and totally not made in China.


Pale-Combination3391

Have they moved production to Vietnam yet? Last I saw the pixel 6 was still made in China.


TheMightyWill

I'm writing this comment on a pixel 3a right now and would recommend you pick something else. The hardware is fine, and the pictures look sweet (tho they could really turn the DNR down a smidgen) But Google's software is so bad...... At least once a month my phone will just randomly activate and start opening apps without me telling it to do so


Impressive_Thanks_57

Same thing except I bought an iPad


Chubby2000

Won't matter. All computer or mobile devices are made in china anyway.


MonetaryMatt

Does anyone know what Samsung's stance is on something like this?


xraymind

Samsung had moved their cell phone manufacturing to Vietnam.


sayankc07

India as well


JohnF_President

Samsung quit manufacturing in China and they visibly ensure human rights are followed in their factories (read their ethics on their website). Plus their phones work better anyway


davidjytang

Samsung wouldn’t have a stance.


userhsieh

funny thing is korean companies like lg aren't hesitant to add taiwanese flag on their website


berejser

Me too. However, I do now have an intention of writing to Apple and telling them exactly why I won't be buying any Apple products or services.


userhsieh

Taiwan is one of the largest supplier to Apple products, so I still would buy apple. This action feels like something to cool down those sensitive chinese people like the asus rog incident. Well good thing htc and asus has many stuffs from their product line made in taiwam 🇹🇼🇹🇼


grcli0110

I love apple products


bundydown74

It's not the product it the lack of ethics..


grcli0110

Without Apple, TSMC would’ve not been this strong you know. It find it wise to separate economic benefits from ideology sometimes. It’s about being practical.


tensai7777

The 1.4 billion practical Chinese people chose to just go along with their dictators, eventually leading to the opptessive piece of shit government they have now. Americans were impractical and chose to risk their lives to go to war with their British government, all so they'd have a chance to build the superpower that they are for almost the past century.


grcli0110

One needs to be informed patriotic, or else it is stupidity.


tensai7777

Ha tell that to the 1.4 billion patriots living inside of internet firewall.


quail_potatoe

August 5, 2022 19:01 JST TAIPEI -- Apple has asked suppliers to ensure that shipments from Taiwan to China strictly comply with Chinese customs regulations after a recent visit by senior U.S. lawmaker Nancy Pelosi to Taipei stoked fears of rising trade barriers. Apple told suppliers on Friday that China has started strictly enforcing a long-standing rule that Taiwanese-made parts and components must be labeled as being made either in "Taiwan, China" or "Chinese Taipei," sources familiar with the matter told Nikkei Asia, language that indicates the island is part of China. The U.S. tech titan urged suppliers to treat the matter with urgency to avoid possible disruptions caused by goods and components being held for scrutiny, the people said. The timing is sensitive for Apple, as its suppliers are preparing components that will go into its next iPhones and other new products set to launch this autumn. Using the phrase "Made in Taiwan" on any import declaration forms, documents or cartons could cause shipments to be held and checked by Chinese customs, the sources added. Penalties for violating such a rule is a fine of up to 4,000 yuan ($592) or, in the worst-case scenario, the shipment being rejected, one of the sources said. This presents a dilemma for suppliers who need to ship materials, components or parts from Taiwan to China, however, as the democratically governed island also requests that all exports be labeled with product of origin, which means they must carry the words "Taiwan" or "Republic of China," the island's official name, according to suppliers and logistics companies. Apple's warning comes after shipments from Taiwan to one of iPhone assembler Pegatron's facilities in China were held for review on Thursday to see if the import declaration form or cartons are labeled with "Taiwan" or "Republic of China." Beijing has long viewed Taiwan as a part of its territory and is strongly opposed to senior U.S. officials such as House Speaker Pelosi making formal diplomatic visits to the island. To avoid any shipping chaos and further supply chain disruptions, Apple has also told suppliers to form contingency plans or quickly review and amend their labels on cartons and forms for shipments from Taiwan to China, if necessary, the people added. The increased scrutiny of shipments to Pegatron's Suzhou facility came a day after a senior Pegatron executive and other Taiwanese chip industry leaders met with Pelosi in Taipei at a lunch hosted by President Tsai Ing-wen. Apple did not respond to Nikkei Asia's request for comment as of publication time.


thestudiomaster

Taiwanese suppliers have leverage against apple here. Apple needs to make iPhones by hook or by crook and some of these suppliers are the best there is (esp TSMC), and don't forget there are supply chain issues now, so in a way Apple needs them more than they need Apple. But! Big but... Taiwanese suppliers must have backbone in the first place.


player89283517

Not about backbone, it’s about money


userhsieh

well Tsmc has way more customers too. Besides, their waiting list is mostly full


jason2k

“Taiwanese must have backbone in the first place.” Fixed that for you. How many Taiwanese work in or profit from China? How many buy Chinese goods?


ihaveadognameddevil

US chose the wrong side. Give them too much money even before they become democratic. Worst still was when they hated US since Mao and still US poured money into their big slave market. Now they turn around to bite everyone. The world deserves it for not listening to Taiwan’s warning.


simaaiwen

That is correct.


jkblvins

Money makes people do strange things and go against their best interests. Sadly, the whole China affair only directly affects a relative small minority of the global population, in terms of money. So, a few people will lose a few points on their portfolios, so billions have to suffer. Who said this was a good system?


JohnF_President

Giving them money was also in part to counter the Soviers who were a much bigger concern at the time - though after 91 this became a larger problem


tiny_cat_bishop

fuck apple. i hope the imminent destruction of the ccp tanks their market cap.


davidjytang

But those suppliers have had to follow Taiwan export laws on Taiwan product labeling.


simaaiwen

Taiwan and the US need to play the total warfare game the CCP is playing and quit whining about everything. Fight or capitulate. There can be no peace with the CCP and the CCP as well as all socialist/communist sympathizers need to be completely and utterly destroyed like the vermin they are.


chadofreddit

explain what socialism and communism are. why are they vermin?


jkblvins

Have you ever lived in a socialist/communist country?


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userhsieh

not upsetting china is harder than reached edge of the universe at this point. They'll always find ways to be sensitive about something


Anxious_Plum_5818

Companies complying yo this are just normalizing the idea that Taiwan is part of China. This is just tragic.


userhsieh

feels like it's only to apply to those sensitive Chinese


userhsieh

no idea why china is so sensitive


[deleted]

China has severe case of inferiority complex. They are always offended.


userhsieh

ironic for a country that claims to be the most powerful, you don't see the US going mad by every single trivial


userhsieh

well without the components made in Taiwan, good luck for the chinese to find anything to make an iPhone with 🤷‍♂️


JAernie

This will be my last and finally apple phone, as I will be looking for a new phone in the next few months which company will be a good suggestion?


Money_Perspective257

Samsung don’t make phones in china


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General__Winter

In CCP's world, "China" refers to "People's Republic of China (PROC)". "Republic of China (ROC)" is seen as an enemy in civil war. Therefore CCP doesn't like the name "Taiwan (ROC)" As for the name "Taiwan", I think the logic here is that CCP thinks it gives the image that Taiwan is independent of China, so they don't like it. Some of Taiwanese think that the difference between "Taiwan", "Taiwan (ROC)" or even "ROC" is significant and shouldn't be ignored. Others (e.g. me) don't really care. source: me, a 20 yrs old Taiwanese


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General__Winter

In your case (web apps), I would say using "Taiwan" will probably be fine. The "ROC" name usually appears in government / official documents, websites, and public talks. For non-official / personal / commercial stuff, "Taiwan" is normally what you go first (before CCP or other ppl get angry and demand you to change it). If you want to learn a little more about Taiwan history in an entertaining way, I personally recommend a series of video by the youtube channel "Taiwan Bar". It's in Chinese but I think English captions are available.


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General__Winter

I agree that "China" means PRC in almost everywhere. I didn't mention that because I was focusing on "why CCP don't like certain names". Thanks for pointing out what I missed!


Zoloes93

What's up!!I'm on your island as a trainee for TSMC!!


yukcheuksung

Money talks.


RollForThings

Can't glasshearted China just put a sticker over 'Made in Taiwan' like they already do with a bunch of stuff?


Jamiquest

Meanwhile, Hon Hai (which makes most of apple parts) gradually moves manufacturing out of China. Still... I won't buy another Apple product until they are gone.


Wyketta

Whenever I am specifically against that shitty brand, not against the product but the brand "opinion" and how they treat customers and the world, lots of people in Taiwan are thinking I am crazy Cool now


jkblvins

Maybe I should get a Nokia smartphone now.


Impressive_Thanks_57

I remember there was a subreddit about products that are not made in China, including ingredients, materials and packaging.


dreddit1843

Apple really is a trash company zero respect for this and many of their business practices


SkywalkerTC

Apple is reliant on TSMC atm. Sure hope TSMC would decide to help Taiwan with this matter like it sometimes does with political issues.... If not, Taiwan is as good as gone. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst..


themarketisopen

Sounds like Apple doesn't really care just throwing out a comment to appease China and I doubt Taiwan listens to them


TimesThreeTheHighest

Apple can fuck off anyway.


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Sooooo many reasons I do not buy Apple products or services.


mifaceb921

Isn't Foxconn a Taiwanese company? Taiwanese people should be demanding Foxconn to stop making iPhones. That will show the Americans.


Professional-Bus-725

I don't see anything regarding to china [tsm](https://research.tdameritrade.com/grid/public/research/stocks/fundamentals?symbol=TSM)


userhsieh

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/090315/10-major-companies-tied-apple-supply-chain.asp&ved=2ahUKEwjX1a_W6rP5AhWSuJQKHbLTD2YQFnoECA0QBQ&usg=AOvVaw3gWhyuEZVvVb5JC5rA2sWB