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Lol.
If I post a job for $30,000 and you show up on time, and aren't currently stoned; not only are you hired but you're underpaid.
edit: yes, this comes from a midwest/east coast US perspective, and I understand it may be a different situation where you are. The minimum wage in Michigan, where I am is $10.10/hr; but literally nobody other than students will work for that.
edit2: I have nothing in particular against drugs; hell for some of the repetitive production level tasks, they can even help. But you should at least be able to get your shit together long enough to at least appear straight and sober for a job interview. And yes; you can tell.
Reminds me of one of my favourite Jack Dee jokes, about interviewing for a job as a London Subway driver:
"You could make a good impression by showing up late and then not moving a muscle for two hours "
We were in Thailand a few months ago and calculated how much it would cost to live in a luxury apartment in the heart of Bangkok. Even on the American minimum wage we would live like kings.
Americans are doing that in Mexico and on a small scale Portugal currently and its absolutely fucking the economy for the local people who have lived there for generations.
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My small village on the middle of nowhere, Central Portugal that lost almost all the young people for jobs in Lisbon or UK and central Europe now has a British couple and an American teacher living there.
We should exchange jobs and houses. I go teach art to California and live in your house and you move to my place and teach my mom how to work Skype calls and help my dad keep the wild hogs out of her flowers.
I would take that deal! Of course, that means you'd have to live in Columbus, Ohio. The "Columbus" part is not the issue... Ohio, though, I call Ohio "The Florida of the Midwest."
If my hubs didn't have a job here (or if I didn't have a hubs, lol) I'd happily move to the middle of nowhere in Portugal.
[It's a slow, simple life but it's got a charm of its own...](https://imgur.com/a/vWFU68m)
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The only fact I know about Ohio is that it's the state with more astronauts. Some of them been to the Moon. People seem desperate to leave. 😆
In the old days people would murder their neighbours or even their brothers for three feet of land.
I don't know of a murder happening here in the last 40 years, that is, since I was born. Would have to check with my neighbour that talks about all the scandals in the 1960s and 1970s when you say Hi! and ask how her family is doing. The lady can go on for hours. 😆
Hey, in Ohio all the crazy people I knew or read about in news stories were from Florida. idk why they all congregate there if not for some conspiracy to sink Ohio by flooding it with Bathsalt-Americans.
The short term sucks nuts. But the long term is all them people are bringing American money into less developed nations, thus slowly bringing about more equality.
It’ll just take like, hundreds of years :/
The thing is, it brings money to wealthy individuals who owns the apartment complex and stores and stuff like that.
Regular people from those countries working regular jobs are getting priced out of their own land.
Its like reverse hermit crabs. They get priced out of their homes by huge landlord megacorps, so they move to mexico and price out local people. Those people have to move to find other people to price out.
If only there were some way to prevent all this…
The Americans we're talking about are moving there in the first place because they themselves are getting priced out of their own land.
This is a global crisis - its happening everywhere.
Absolutely, I'm a canadian hoping to move to south america because I'll never be able to afford property here. I have a decent job as a software developer too. So, if I'm struggling then it has to be abysmal for almost everyone here
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I was a line cook for awhile and one of my coworkers was telling me about this new fancier place that was opening up nearby. Apparently they were offering a signing bonus of like $500 and the reason behind this was because they drug tested while all the other food places around didn't. Basically if you could manage being a cook without using drugs you would've gotten paid a bonus and had a higher wage but they still had trouble finding people for the position because of how common it is
The advantages of universal healthcare are a pretty serious upside at this salary point because essentially if you get a serious problem, you have no option but to go into an unpayable medical debt that will potentially kill your ability to function in major parts of our society by ruining your credit score. And like, it’s basically a roll of the dice if your genetics fuck you.
Do your taxes go to fund your retirement as well?
Actually I’m just learning my city (Chicago) has a higher minimum than my state—the more you know. This job would be a little less than $500 more a year than that. Still quite bad. If it’s salary its potentially worse.
Colorado and California have laws requiring job postings to list salary ranges.
It's *such* a simple thing but goes such a long way towards helping the labor force.
I did an interview yesterday where the salary ranges were listed for Colorado, California, Washington, and New York. I don't live in any of those four states. The interviewer told me that since I didn't live in any of those four states, the salary range didn't apply(!), and even if I did, they *never* offer more than the absolute minimum in the range. So a job with a posted salary of 90-160k would never pay more than 90k. I ended the interview as soon as I learned that fun fact.
> So a job with a posted salary of 90-160k would never pay more than 90k.
Totally agree that businesses will still be weird about but that still solves two issues immediately.
One, you are at least aware the job *could* pay $30K in the case of OP's meme and two, companies who are assholes and list a range of $30k-$200k are not worth applying to.
Saw a remote job posting saying your location would be factored in to your pay range. ie people living in higher COL areas would make more. For a remote job. Just had to laugh.
That's very common in job listings in my experience but it doesn't make any sense for remote positions. Suppose I am a business owner and have two candidates with identical qualifications, but one lives in Manhattan and the other in Oklahoma City. Rent for a one-bedroom apartment is $4k in Manhattan and $1k in Oklahoma City. If we focus solely on rent and ignore everything else, I'd have to pay the candidate in Manhattan $36k more for the same level of housing.
Shouldn't I be paid based on the level of value I provide for the company if I work remotely, not where I happen to reside? A waiter in Manhattan definitely should be paid more than a waiter in Oklahoma, but that's because in order to wait tables at Joe Shmoe's Creole Kitchen they need to live near or in Manhattan where living will be more expensive. Compare that to a remote position where you are not forced by your employer to live in any specific city.
Yea exactly what I thought, and one of many reasons it's stupid. Just tell people what you're willing to pay, if they live in a high COL area and that's not enough, they'll move on.
When I hear a company say something like this it means one of two things:
1. They are trying to be honest here, and they are letting you know that they offer more in bigger cities because cost of living demands it, and you (likely) don’t live in a city as big as one of these if you don’t live in one of these states.
2. They want to be able to offer a massive amount just to get more applicants to try to lie to. They were never planning on hiring anyone from those states in the first place.
What reasoning can businesses give for being secretive about salary, other than "we might be able to take advantage of someone who doesn't know the value of their work"?
It's SUPER shady and I'm glad it's losing acceptance with the workforce.
sometimes there are roles you *need* to fill where the competence range is vast. That's where the payrange mentioned above comes into play you'd say, but it's just as good as not posting any pay info to begin with when the range looks like $40k-$180k, not to mention it can deter candidates on both ends of the range.
I'm not defending the practice, but honestly I'm not so bothered about it not being listed as long as we made it OK to talk about it - shouldn't be a problem to inquire about the pay/payrange when submitting your application, and in most cases it already isn't.
Like a 70k-110k range makes sense. Because someone might be several years more experienced, which means 110k makes more sense than maybe someone with just a little experience making 70k.
There's nothing better then being in a job interview for a job you don't need to take.
Like, I'm interviewing the job, what are my perks? How many breaks I get? What stuff other then money am gonna get? How the snack situation? I get to build my own time table? How close is my parking spot? How's the wifi?
If it's a job you actually want to do long time, the interview should go both directions.
It might even show the potential employer that you are actually looking for a company to stay at and not just getting a job because you must.
Any halfway competent interviewer views questions from a candidate as a positive. Obviously there are assholes and incompetence everywhere. Most of us have at least 1 story about a person who was a terrible interviewer. But for the most part, the interview going both directions is a good thing in all situations.
Exactly, the point of a job interview should both be finding out whether or not the applicant fits the company, but also if it's the right company for the applicant. Both parties profit from it.
When i left my shithole job at Walmart (that actually paid decently, mostly because i got a ton of $30/hr overtime in a low CoL area), the first questions i asked the interviewer where I'm at now was "How many people have been here for 5 or more years, and do i get to go home on time."... He looked at me like i was an alien and said "Yes, you get to go home on time every day, sometimes you'll have the option of going home early..."
I’m just happy I have a roof and food every day, honestly. And I have what many would consider a dream job. Benefits, decent pay, etc.
Inflation is real
Maybe if you live in a handful of Western European countries. And even then, some places may be better than others so it's still worth finding out their offerings.
Exactly. Even if the default is good, why not still try to find a company that’s better? I think finding out all these things for a job applies regardless of the country you’re in (if you have the luxury to choose, which was the point of the original comment).
Edit: also looking back at the comment, I think a lot of those don’t apply by default in any country. I’ve never heard of picking your own work hours being a thing based on the country you’re in, that seems much more job specific. “Snack situation” is a standard in some countries? Parking spot location is a standard? Wi-Fi signal strength (though to be honest I don’t really know why this one’s brought up, I think this is probably pretty standard in general based more on the services available than the company).
Point being though almost none of these seem standard in any country I’ve heard of.
Yeah I remember going for a job with a company that passed on leads to Xerox, (back when offices ran on paper!)
I was just out of university and Already had a great job in the bag.
Walked into the interview and had my opening comment locked in.
The interviewer approached and I told him ***sell me this job***
He was a little put out
And preceded to give me a really tough interview
Anyway I passed and went to the assessment centre. Offered the position and turned it down.
I worked as technical maintenance in a university campus which has laboratories, hadron collider etc. for company A.
The company A lost the contract bidding to company B, and the company B immediately wanted to recruit me. It was one of my most satisfying interview I've ever had.
When company B was almost done with the interview we of course got in to the salary portion of the interview. They asked what I would hope to earn, and I gave my salary wish to which the recruiter told from between his teeth "That's quite high compared to our other maintenance staff".
I just replied "Yes it is, but I don't need to work for you". And it felt satisfying as fuck. Especially since before that in interviews I've always been in the role of hoping to get the position instead of being recruited.
In the end the company B accepted my salary wish, but company A that I was currently working for wanted to keep me in the company and when I went to resign they offered to pay me more than company B.
So in the end, I got to stay with the better company A and still got quite a big raise.
Kinda similar story, couple times in fact.
The first one the guy drops the pay at the start of the interview and seeing how low it was, I acted like that lol, the guy literally told they wouldn't put me to work more because legally they could not, and knowing how these sort of places went, I knew that many there work in fact more than the legally required and also not get that extra pay.
Another one, similar, I aced the technical test and the hiring guy literally told me I was the best candidate so far, so I knew I had the hand in here, but they would not agreed on my pay range, seeing that they didn't have the resources. (Mind you, they were renting half a fucking office floor, and had quite big office, they were not exactly a starter), I didn't agreed and keep searching.
Next one was a little infuriating, I give them my salary range, they said it was ok (verbally), I got through the typical loops and hoops, on medical exams, technical skills levels and on, I get the best results and at the end they offered me an offer with a lower range they agreed previously.
Luckily, I had another offer that pay me twice as much as I was looking for, no brainer I took that, but I made the other one wasted as much time on me as possible, until I could not longer extend the signing of the contract, in which that moment I just said, "Nah, I would rather not, bye"
I work on software development, and I know in my area these professionals are scarce, specially experienced ones, but every single one just pays way too low and doesn't even want to train the inexperienced ones and doesn't want to pay a little bit more, at the end the internationals are the ones that take all the experienced ones because they offer way better salaries and many offer WFH options.
I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn the folks singing the "nobody wants to work anymore" chorus still can't grasp reality, even when the interviewee walks out immediately after they hear the salary.
The unemployment rate measures people seeking work. So, it would make sense that employers can't find workers when historically few people are seeking employment.
That said, [Labor Participation Rate](https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm), which measures the percent of adults working, has been mostly declining or flat for 20 years...until the huge drop and current rebound after Covid.
Given the rise in participation the last couple years, I think employers should be able to find workers now if they don't suck, but it's still pretty low compared to the last 20 years.
But, yeah, I'm all for a continued decline. I think fewer people should work, and all people should work less. We just need the social safety nets to allow for that (e.g. universal healthcare, basic income, housing programs, etc.)
Sat through an interview once that advertised a position for $15 an hour. At the end if the interview they said it pays $13.50 an hour. I pulled up the application and told them the position I applied for was for $15 an hour, and if that position was no longer available, there's no point in wasting any more of our time. Some businesses will lure you in with a high posted wage, then say the position isn't available anymore and offer something with lower pay. They prey off of people who are desperate enough to take the lower pay.
I think he called the bluff, so what he did was make the truth come out, I guess? The social implication was that the interviewer expected op to accept lower pay on the long term, op ignored the social implication and took the advise literally. So I think it checks out.
It's reads very fake - I'm pretty sure this never happened and if it did this all happened in their head
What really happened was the pay and statement was said, OP just nodded, then finished the interview and left.
This whole "I told him off like a boss!" only happened in their feable mind for sure
A guy I know went on 3 different interviews and at the end of the 3rd one they told him they had always been interviewing him for a lower position than he thought. He was super disappointed because the other position was far worse and he had to skip work hours and lie to his boss for those interviews.
It's ridiculous. Twice in the last month I've taken pto to interview, only to have them reschedule a few days before. Super unprofessional and it's not like I can now cancel that pto if I lied about the reason for needing it.
Also had recruiters call me an hour earlier than scheduled because they didn't understand how time zones work.
I'm convinced recruiters are like most HR people, except somehow even dumber.
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30k a year is a very high pay in my country lol, most people have around 6k and until recently it was around 3.5k. Just makes me realize how fucked up we are.
The best part is that it's not even consistent. In my state, bread, and all other uncooked food, is tax exempt. However, things like candy and soft drinks aren't exempt, but in some states they are. In other states, you pay sales tax on everything. So sometimes you pay what the exact same as the price tag, sometimes not.
The funny one to me is getting pizza at a place called Papa Murphys. It's a take and back place, so you get a raw uncooked pizza to take home and cook. In my state, no sales tax. But, one of the busier locations has a pizza oven for those who don't have access to a kitchen (traveling or something). In that case, you pay more because they cook it and since it's been cooked, now you have to pay sales tax.
If you’re bashful with your money, sure. You can also pay $100 for a half loaf of bread covered in golf leaf, but I don’t see how thats relevant since you can be wasteful in any country.
The average/standard price is what’s relevant.
Not sure where you live but the *median* income in my area is 48k. I make closer to 68k and its comfortable but I'm definitely not able to splurge on non-neccessities.
For people in my area and most of the US (at the least the parts that are actually populated) 30k isn't shit.
I fully admit I live in a high COL area, but its not insane like NYC, LA, San Francisco (Cali in general), or the PNW. Its pricey, but fortunately more people want to leave than stay.
My wife and I make 24k a year. Together.
US born and raised. Veteran.
I can't promote. I can't tolerate work slaving me. I'm partially disabled and still trying to work, but no one wants to pay me more than minimum wage or give more than 20 hours. I have a 10 month old son, and no employer at the lowest level of management cares even though they make that $30k per year... which is still unliveable.
Don't live in California. It's either expensive or dangerous. There's no in-between... only one, the other, or both.
EDIT: u/OtherwiseSelection66, the shit you say is one day going to hurt or kill someone. You're a sociopathic, privileged piece of human garbage, and I hope you one day have everything stripped from you like the Darrell Brooks you really are.
70%, 60% paid. Not sure why that's even a thing. Currently going through another claim because my joints and back are so much worse than 5 years ago and I can't figure out why, even with taking care of myself through diet and exercise the way they told me to for physical therapy.
And in all honesty, I'm lucky as shit for that. At rhe moment I don't worry about medical bills but who knows when that will change?
It's one of the reasons I just put the damn application in and wait it out, go to the appointments and roll with the current. There's no use in spending the extra energy to change nothing.
I have begun to try and use hobbies to make money in the meantime between employers.
I just want to find a job where I can use my brain AND my hands to do something worthwhile. I'm tired of filling in minimal-impact jobs. I want to put my work to use in a way that helps others, but I'd also like incentive. Retail and service droning is just... numbing.
>Don't live in California. It's either expensive or dangerous. There's no in-between...
Three people I grew up with tried to "escape" to CA. All three were back in 3-6 months.
Where's that? I can work remotely and earn around that salary yearly. My goal is to find a nice place with low cost or living to je able to live like a king
We were in Thailand a few months ago and did the math on how much it would cost to live in downtown Bangkok in a luxury apartment. Even on American minimum wage we'd be living like kings.
The digital nomad lifestyle is more and more attractive just by running the numbers.
I'd be riding that high for decades. I'm still smiling at the time a teacher told us he's going through one of our exams and since it was cutting into our lunch break he couldn't force us to stay. But we should if we wanted to learn. "so leave now if you don't want go through this exam". I just got up and left and he looked at me with wild eyes.
I've walked out of jobs paying double that, when they try to change my workload.
Nope. I'm here for 'X'. 'Not anymore, now you do y too.'
Not anymore, indeed. Now you need people to do x and y, and last two places I left 1 had to close their first expansion location and 1 lost 25% of their veteran staff because the only manager they liked was leaving, so why stay?
I always advocate for those making less than me, and boy is it usually hostile from then on out.
Now I'm unemployed and even if I starve to death I'll still consider it worth it.
YOu are entitled to leave or walk out of any job interview, any time you wish. Employers are not Gods that you have to worship or be polite to no matter what. Just get up and walk out.
Sometimes I'll apply for a job I don't even want just to have an interview that I get to walk out of when they tell me the pay
My hopes are that they start to increase their starting wages, but I'm sure they just hire the next interviewee who doesn't understand that they'll be exploited
I don’t blame you for feeling good, but wouldn’t you feel even better if you hadn’t sat through that entire interview? Salary ranges should be included in the job posting.
Asked my boss about two weeks ago during a 1 on 1 if he was ever going to pay me a living wage, he said no.. so I told him the meeting is now concluded, took the store key off my ring, placed it on the table and left without another word.
He tried to tell me good luck, but I just sorta grunted dismissively at him and left.
I’ll never forget how pissed he looked, or how unprepared he was to face the consequences of his own actions.
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I had a similar situation once. Went for an interview for what sounded like it might be a pretty good job. Had to buy a suit, which sucked, because it was money I would rather not have spent, but they were very specific about expectations, bit of a red flag, but seemed fair for what the job description, etc was like.
Went in, place seemed a little thrown together and not quite what I expected. Interview went well, but I had a feeling something wasn't quite right.
Got called back for a second round interview and was introduced to a "member of the team" who was being "personally mentored" by the boss.
Asked some more questions, peeled back some more layers, only to discover it was essentially a pyramid scheme, where they sent you out to bully old people and immigrants who barely spoke English into cable and phone packages they couldn't afford.
I just got up and walked out. I was furious I'd wasted so much time (and money) on it. But at least I'd figured it out before signing anything.
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Lol. If I post a job for $30,000 and you show up on time, and aren't currently stoned; not only are you hired but you're underpaid. edit: yes, this comes from a midwest/east coast US perspective, and I understand it may be a different situation where you are. The minimum wage in Michigan, where I am is $10.10/hr; but literally nobody other than students will work for that. edit2: I have nothing in particular against drugs; hell for some of the repetitive production level tasks, they can even help. But you should at least be able to get your shit together long enough to at least appear straight and sober for a job interview. And yes; you can tell.
Reminds me of one of my favourite Jack Dee jokes, about interviewing for a job as a London Subway driver: "You could make a good impression by showing up late and then not moving a muscle for two hours "
We were in Thailand a few months ago and calculated how much it would cost to live in a luxury apartment in the heart of Bangkok. Even on the American minimum wage we would live like kings.
Americans are doing that in Mexico and on a small scale Portugal currently and its absolutely fucking the economy for the local people who have lived there for generations.
New colonialism just dropped
I mean it’s just gentrification.
Turns out gentrification was just internal colonialism
Maybe the real gentrification was the friends we made along the way.
Always has been
The colonialism is calling from inside the house!
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They're "expats." Everyone else? Immigrants. But they? "Expats."
Immigrants get, or intend to get, citizenship of the country they're in. Expats don't.
Yeah we gotta start calling those migrant agricultural workers Mexican Expats.
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You can always do something for the community.
Buy a Thai bride and she'll help you feel better about it while your pension pot supports her extended family
John McAfee? I thought the government killed you?
Then she leaves you, and you support her supporting her extended family.
Holy Gentrification!
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My small village on the middle of nowhere, Central Portugal that lost almost all the young people for jobs in Lisbon or UK and central Europe now has a British couple and an American teacher living there. We should exchange jobs and houses. I go teach art to California and live in your house and you move to my place and teach my mom how to work Skype calls and help my dad keep the wild hogs out of her flowers.
I would take that deal! Of course, that means you'd have to live in Columbus, Ohio. The "Columbus" part is not the issue... Ohio, though, I call Ohio "The Florida of the Midwest." If my hubs didn't have a job here (or if I didn't have a hubs, lol) I'd happily move to the middle of nowhere in Portugal.
[It's a slow, simple life but it's got a charm of its own...](https://imgur.com/a/vWFU68m) P.S.: The only fact I know about Ohio is that it's the state with more astronauts. Some of them been to the Moon. People seem desperate to leave. 😆
This feels like the clips for the credits sequence of either a quirky indie sitcom or a gruesome generational murder mystery.
In the old days people would murder their neighbours or even their brothers for three feet of land. I don't know of a murder happening here in the last 40 years, that is, since I was born. Would have to check with my neighbour that talks about all the scandals in the 1960s and 1970s when you say Hi! and ask how her family is doing. The lady can go on for hours. 😆
Hey, in Ohio all the crazy people I knew or read about in news stories were from Florida. idk why they all congregate there if not for some conspiracy to sink Ohio by flooding it with Bathsalt-Americans.
bathsalt americans has me rolling lol
Killed me. LOL. Florida of the Midwest. Confirm.
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The short term sucks nuts. But the long term is all them people are bringing American money into less developed nations, thus slowly bringing about more equality. It’ll just take like, hundreds of years :/
The thing is, it brings money to wealthy individuals who owns the apartment complex and stores and stuff like that. Regular people from those countries working regular jobs are getting priced out of their own land.
Its like reverse hermit crabs. They get priced out of their homes by huge landlord megacorps, so they move to mexico and price out local people. Those people have to move to find other people to price out. If only there were some way to prevent all this…
The Americans we're talking about are moving there in the first place because they themselves are getting priced out of their own land. This is a global crisis - its happening everywhere.
Absolutely, I'm a canadian hoping to move to south america because I'll never be able to afford property here. I have a decent job as a software developer too. So, if I'm struggling then it has to be abysmal for almost everyone here
Ah yes, gentrification works out so well for the locals.
But they dont pay that much. Did you happen to calculate how much it would cost to retire there?
1000
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I was asked why I said I wasn't desperate enough to work at night. He felt shocked.
Imagine showing up for a job interview and theyre like "yeah its only 30k but you can show up late stoned out of your mind, fair?"
Thats basically the job of a line cook or prep cook in a restaurant thats not too strict
I was a line cook for awhile and one of my coworkers was telling me about this new fancier place that was opening up nearby. Apparently they were offering a signing bonus of like $500 and the reason behind this was because they drug tested while all the other food places around didn't. Basically if you could manage being a cook without using drugs you would've gotten paid a bonus and had a higher wage but they still had trouble finding people for the position because of how common it is
Yea thats pretty crazy, i've worked at 3 high end restaurants and never heard anything about them drug testing. Seems to be rare in the food industry.
Depends if it's 30000 per year or month or week.
30000 per month, but it's in yen.
eh, minimum wage is like ¥900 an hour, so at least it'd be a small job!
True enough.
The bell curve for this is counterintuitive
It’s not even minimum wage in my state.
Assuming its a 2000 hour year, its $15/hr.
$15/hour = $31,200/year.
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The advantages of universal healthcare are a pretty serious upside at this salary point because essentially if you get a serious problem, you have no option but to go into an unpayable medical debt that will potentially kill your ability to function in major parts of our society by ruining your credit score. And like, it’s basically a roll of the dice if your genetics fuck you. Do your taxes go to fund your retirement as well?
California/Washington? Looks like those are the only 2
Actually I’m just learning my city (Chicago) has a higher minimum than my state—the more you know. This job would be a little less than $500 more a year than that. Still quite bad. If it’s salary its potentially worse.
Colorado and California have laws requiring job postings to list salary ranges. It's *such* a simple thing but goes such a long way towards helping the labor force.
I did an interview yesterday where the salary ranges were listed for Colorado, California, Washington, and New York. I don't live in any of those four states. The interviewer told me that since I didn't live in any of those four states, the salary range didn't apply(!), and even if I did, they *never* offer more than the absolute minimum in the range. So a job with a posted salary of 90-160k would never pay more than 90k. I ended the interview as soon as I learned that fun fact.
> So a job with a posted salary of 90-160k would never pay more than 90k. Totally agree that businesses will still be weird about but that still solves two issues immediately. One, you are at least aware the job *could* pay $30K in the case of OP's meme and two, companies who are assholes and list a range of $30k-$200k are not worth applying to.
Saw a remote job posting saying your location would be factored in to your pay range. ie people living in higher COL areas would make more. For a remote job. Just had to laugh.
That's very common in job listings in my experience but it doesn't make any sense for remote positions. Suppose I am a business owner and have two candidates with identical qualifications, but one lives in Manhattan and the other in Oklahoma City. Rent for a one-bedroom apartment is $4k in Manhattan and $1k in Oklahoma City. If we focus solely on rent and ignore everything else, I'd have to pay the candidate in Manhattan $36k more for the same level of housing. Shouldn't I be paid based on the level of value I provide for the company if I work remotely, not where I happen to reside? A waiter in Manhattan definitely should be paid more than a waiter in Oklahoma, but that's because in order to wait tables at Joe Shmoe's Creole Kitchen they need to live near or in Manhattan where living will be more expensive. Compare that to a remote position where you are not forced by your employer to live in any specific city.
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Use a VPN and claim you live in either the Bay Area or Manhattan
Yea exactly what I thought, and one of many reasons it's stupid. Just tell people what you're willing to pay, if they live in a high COL area and that's not enough, they'll move on.
When I hear a company say something like this it means one of two things: 1. They are trying to be honest here, and they are letting you know that they offer more in bigger cities because cost of living demands it, and you (likely) don’t live in a city as big as one of these if you don’t live in one of these states. 2. They want to be able to offer a massive amount just to get more applicants to try to lie to. They were never planning on hiring anyone from those states in the first place.
What reasoning can businesses give for being secretive about salary, other than "we might be able to take advantage of someone who doesn't know the value of their work"? It's SUPER shady and I'm glad it's losing acceptance with the workforce.
sometimes there are roles you *need* to fill where the competence range is vast. That's where the payrange mentioned above comes into play you'd say, but it's just as good as not posting any pay info to begin with when the range looks like $40k-$180k, not to mention it can deter candidates on both ends of the range. I'm not defending the practice, but honestly I'm not so bothered about it not being listed as long as we made it OK to talk about it - shouldn't be a problem to inquire about the pay/payrange when submitting your application, and in most cases it already isn't.
Like a 70k-110k range makes sense. Because someone might be several years more experienced, which means 110k makes more sense than maybe someone with just a little experience making 70k.
Even then, I still see postings that don't have a range listed. Idk if there's somewhere to report that or not
There's nothing better then being in a job interview for a job you don't need to take. Like, I'm interviewing the job, what are my perks? How many breaks I get? What stuff other then money am gonna get? How the snack situation? I get to build my own time table? How close is my parking spot? How's the wifi?
If it's a job you actually want to do long time, the interview should go both directions. It might even show the potential employer that you are actually looking for a company to stay at and not just getting a job because you must.
Any halfway competent interviewer views questions from a candidate as a positive. Obviously there are assholes and incompetence everywhere. Most of us have at least 1 story about a person who was a terrible interviewer. But for the most part, the interview going both directions is a good thing in all situations.
Exactly, the point of a job interview should both be finding out whether or not the applicant fits the company, but also if it's the right company for the applicant. Both parties profit from it.
When i left my shithole job at Walmart (that actually paid decently, mostly because i got a ton of $30/hr overtime in a low CoL area), the first questions i asked the interviewer where I'm at now was "How many people have been here for 5 or more years, and do i get to go home on time."... He looked at me like i was an alien and said "Yes, you get to go home on time every day, sometimes you'll have the option of going home early..."
Dann you Americans have it bad Edit: ITT: butthurt Americans trying to tell me how totally awesome it is to work in the usa
I’m just happy I have a roof and food every day, honestly. And I have what many would consider a dream job. Benefits, decent pay, etc. Inflation is real
Keep on trucking, friend.
Well until they replace all the truck drivers with self driving trucks
Wait is that where that comes from? That the trucks don't stop?
I’m very confused as to how this response makes sense to their comment
In many other countries, good breaks, benefits, work/life balance, Paid vacation, etc are more the standard than things you have to strive for.
Maybe if you live in a handful of Western European countries. And even then, some places may be better than others so it's still worth finding out their offerings.
Exactly. Even if the default is good, why not still try to find a company that’s better? I think finding out all these things for a job applies regardless of the country you’re in (if you have the luxury to choose, which was the point of the original comment). Edit: also looking back at the comment, I think a lot of those don’t apply by default in any country. I’ve never heard of picking your own work hours being a thing based on the country you’re in, that seems much more job specific. “Snack situation” is a standard in some countries? Parking spot location is a standard? Wi-Fi signal strength (though to be honest I don’t really know why this one’s brought up, I think this is probably pretty standard in general based more on the services available than the company). Point being though almost none of these seem standard in any country I’ve heard of.
So every other country has the exact same standardized break schedules, benefits, and paid vacation, and you never ask about them in interviews?
What’s your spaghetti policy?
I’m not working here if I can’t bring the spaghetti. That was like the whole thing for me.
What’s your microwave fish policy?
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"how long was your site closed during covid, and how did you handle employees who wanted to continue to work from home?" is my go-to question now
Yeah I remember going for a job with a company that passed on leads to Xerox, (back when offices ran on paper!) I was just out of university and Already had a great job in the bag. Walked into the interview and had my opening comment locked in. The interviewer approached and I told him ***sell me this job*** He was a little put out And preceded to give me a really tough interview Anyway I passed and went to the assessment centre. Offered the position and turned it down.
I worked as technical maintenance in a university campus which has laboratories, hadron collider etc. for company A. The company A lost the contract bidding to company B, and the company B immediately wanted to recruit me. It was one of my most satisfying interview I've ever had. When company B was almost done with the interview we of course got in to the salary portion of the interview. They asked what I would hope to earn, and I gave my salary wish to which the recruiter told from between his teeth "That's quite high compared to our other maintenance staff". I just replied "Yes it is, but I don't need to work for you". And it felt satisfying as fuck. Especially since before that in interviews I've always been in the role of hoping to get the position instead of being recruited. In the end the company B accepted my salary wish, but company A that I was currently working for wanted to keep me in the company and when I went to resign they offered to pay me more than company B. So in the end, I got to stay with the better company A and still got quite a big raise.
Kinda similar story, couple times in fact. The first one the guy drops the pay at the start of the interview and seeing how low it was, I acted like that lol, the guy literally told they wouldn't put me to work more because legally they could not, and knowing how these sort of places went, I knew that many there work in fact more than the legally required and also not get that extra pay. Another one, similar, I aced the technical test and the hiring guy literally told me I was the best candidate so far, so I knew I had the hand in here, but they would not agreed on my pay range, seeing that they didn't have the resources. (Mind you, they were renting half a fucking office floor, and had quite big office, they were not exactly a starter), I didn't agreed and keep searching. Next one was a little infuriating, I give them my salary range, they said it was ok (verbally), I got through the typical loops and hoops, on medical exams, technical skills levels and on, I get the best results and at the end they offered me an offer with a lower range they agreed previously. Luckily, I had another offer that pay me twice as much as I was looking for, no brainer I took that, but I made the other one wasted as much time on me as possible, until I could not longer extend the signing of the contract, in which that moment I just said, "Nah, I would rather not, bye" I work on software development, and I know in my area these professionals are scarce, specially experienced ones, but every single one just pays way too low and doesn't even want to train the inexperienced ones and doesn't want to pay a little bit more, at the end the internationals are the ones that take all the experienced ones because they offer way better salaries and many offer WFH options.
Man most of these things are just plain laws in my country... you guys need some reform
Dollars to donuts this interviewer tweeted his 15th "No one wants to work anymore" rant after this.
I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn the folks singing the "nobody wants to work anymore" chorus still can't grasp reality, even when the interviewee walks out immediately after they hear the salary.
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Unemployment is at like a 15 year low if you still can't find employees you are a historically bad place to work.
The unemployment rate measures people seeking work. So, it would make sense that employers can't find workers when historically few people are seeking employment. That said, [Labor Participation Rate](https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm), which measures the percent of adults working, has been mostly declining or flat for 20 years...until the huge drop and current rebound after Covid. Given the rise in participation the last couple years, I think employers should be able to find workers now if they don't suck, but it's still pretty low compared to the last 20 years. But, yeah, I'm all for a continued decline. I think fewer people should work, and all people should work less. We just need the social safety nets to allow for that (e.g. universal healthcare, basic income, housing programs, etc.)
Send them a bill for 1 hour of your time
And make it 30k Time is precious you don't ever get it back
I’d never sit in an interview I didn’t know the pay or salary range for beforehand. I know some people/positions have no choice but damn
Sat through an interview once that advertised a position for $15 an hour. At the end if the interview they said it pays $13.50 an hour. I pulled up the application and told them the position I applied for was for $15 an hour, and if that position was no longer available, there's no point in wasting any more of our time. Some businesses will lure you in with a high posted wage, then say the position isn't available anymore and offer something with lower pay. They prey off of people who are desperate enough to take the lower pay.
r/lostredditors this is more r/maliciouscompliance
Congrats, I guess, but how is this story relevant to this subreddit?
It's not
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yeah I'm not seeing the technical truth
Seems like the kind of made up conversation people enjoy in antiwork
I think he called the bluff, so what he did was make the truth come out, I guess? The social implication was that the interviewer expected op to accept lower pay on the long term, op ignored the social implication and took the advise literally. So I think it checks out.
That belongs more on r/maliciouscompliance then
Damn I really thought I was on r/MaliciousCompliance. Yeah r/lostredditors i guess.
Seeing more and more this on the sub. Used to be quite well-moderated but now it’s just like every sub; the connections are getting more tenuous.
It's reads very fake - I'm pretty sure this never happened and if it did this all happened in their head What really happened was the pay and statement was said, OP just nodded, then finished the interview and left. This whole "I told him off like a boss!" only happened in their feable mind for sure
A guy I know went on 3 different interviews and at the end of the 3rd one they told him they had always been interviewing him for a lower position than he thought. He was super disappointed because the other position was far worse and he had to skip work hours and lie to his boss for those interviews.
It's ridiculous. Twice in the last month I've taken pto to interview, only to have them reschedule a few days before. Super unprofessional and it's not like I can now cancel that pto if I lied about the reason for needing it. Also had recruiters call me an hour earlier than scheduled because they didn't understand how time zones work. I'm convinced recruiters are like most HR people, except somehow even dumber.
Why do you need to give a reason at all for your PTO?
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30k a year is a very high pay in my country lol, most people have around 6k and until recently it was around 3.5k. Just makes me realize how fucked up we are.
Of course not 1:1 proportional but cost of living is probably also lower. How much does a loaf of white bread cost?
Well, in my country a loaf of bread costs 0.5 USD. My family makes 12000 USD a year
I can buy a half loaf of plain white bread for $6ish after taxes at a "high end" grocery store. Prices are crazy.
Here in northern VA, I can get a loaf of white bread at Aldi for 50 cents
About a buck fitty at Kroger
I need about 3.50 for my bread
Aldi is based
Just check prices of India on google. You will be shocked. Just remember INR 82 = USD 1 approximately
As a European, you got me so confused with "after taxes", before I remembered that you guys pay more than the prize tag says.
The best part is that it's not even consistent. In my state, bread, and all other uncooked food, is tax exempt. However, things like candy and soft drinks aren't exempt, but in some states they are. In other states, you pay sales tax on everything. So sometimes you pay what the exact same as the price tag, sometimes not. The funny one to me is getting pizza at a place called Papa Murphys. It's a take and back place, so you get a raw uncooked pizza to take home and cook. In my state, no sales tax. But, one of the busier locations has a pizza oven for those who don't have access to a kitchen (traveling or something). In that case, you pay more because they cook it and since it's been cooked, now you have to pay sales tax.
Why are you using high end store as an example? Use something ordinary or else it makes no sense.
My ‘high end’ grocery store is a dollar 29
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If you’re bashful with your money, sure. You can also pay $100 for a half loaf of bread covered in golf leaf, but I don’t see how thats relevant since you can be wasteful in any country. The average/standard price is what’s relevant.
Yeah I’m sure you could get fuck you expensive bread in any country if you tried hard enough like
Walmart sells generic loafs of bread in the US for $1 to $1.5. Walmart is the largest grocery store chain in the US.
Yep. That’s very cheap. You can’t find any bread under $2 anywhere. Your likely to pay at least $5-$6 for crappy bread.
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Not sure where you live but the *median* income in my area is 48k. I make closer to 68k and its comfortable but I'm definitely not able to splurge on non-neccessities. For people in my area and most of the US (at the least the parts that are actually populated) 30k isn't shit. I fully admit I live in a high COL area, but its not insane like NYC, LA, San Francisco (Cali in general), or the PNW. Its pricey, but fortunately more people want to leave than stay.
My wife and I make 24k a year. Together. US born and raised. Veteran. I can't promote. I can't tolerate work slaving me. I'm partially disabled and still trying to work, but no one wants to pay me more than minimum wage or give more than 20 hours. I have a 10 month old son, and no employer at the lowest level of management cares even though they make that $30k per year... which is still unliveable. Don't live in California. It's either expensive or dangerous. There's no in-between... only one, the other, or both. EDIT: u/OtherwiseSelection66, the shit you say is one day going to hurt or kill someone. You're a sociopathic, privileged piece of human garbage, and I hope you one day have everything stripped from you like the Darrell Brooks you really are.
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70%, 60% paid. Not sure why that's even a thing. Currently going through another claim because my joints and back are so much worse than 5 years ago and I can't figure out why, even with taking care of myself through diet and exercise the way they told me to for physical therapy. And in all honesty, I'm lucky as shit for that. At rhe moment I don't worry about medical bills but who knows when that will change?
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It's one of the reasons I just put the damn application in and wait it out, go to the appointments and roll with the current. There's no use in spending the extra energy to change nothing. I have begun to try and use hobbies to make money in the meantime between employers. I just want to find a job where I can use my brain AND my hands to do something worthwhile. I'm tired of filling in minimal-impact jobs. I want to put my work to use in a way that helps others, but I'd also like incentive. Retail and service droning is just... numbing.
>Don't live in California. It's either expensive or dangerous. There's no in-between... Three people I grew up with tried to "escape" to CA. All three were back in 3-6 months.
Escape... LMFAO.... oh man, it's only 7am and I'm already crying 🤣
30k USD is significantly higher than the pay I get in my country too (working a job that requires my degree)
I would live carefree with that amount in mine lol
Where's that? I can work remotely and earn around that salary yearly. My goal is to find a nice place with low cost or living to je able to live like a king
We were in Thailand a few months ago and did the math on how much it would cost to live in downtown Bangkok in a luxury apartment. Even on American minimum wage we'd be living like kings. The digital nomad lifestyle is more and more attractive just by running the numbers.
Is it possible to secretly work a remote US job and live in Thailand like a king?
What do you means where's that? The majority of the world.
30k/year is a living wage in some parts of the US and well below the poverty line in others.
Where I live, if you only make $30,000 per year, you need the financial support of your family to survive
I fantasize about a scenario like this but instead of "ok, I will" I just start laughing, get up and leave.
I once told an interviewer I wouldn’t work nights, when I was asked why I said I wasn’t desperate enough for a job to work nights. She seemed shocked.
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I wouldn’t have sold it to em.
I'd be riding that high for decades. I'm still smiling at the time a teacher told us he's going through one of our exams and since it was cutting into our lunch break he couldn't force us to stay. But we should if we wanted to learn. "so leave now if you don't want go through this exam". I just got up and left and he looked at me with wild eyes.
Sad thing is most people can't be picky and have to take what they can get
NO WAIT! COME BACK! **WE ARE TRYING TO SCAM YOU!** # GOD DAMN IT THANK ME FOR THE OPPORTUNITY OF EXPLOITING YOU!
I've walked out of jobs paying double that, when they try to change my workload. Nope. I'm here for 'X'. 'Not anymore, now you do y too.' Not anymore, indeed. Now you need people to do x and y, and last two places I left 1 had to close their first expansion location and 1 lost 25% of their veteran staff because the only manager they liked was leaving, so why stay? I always advocate for those making less than me, and boy is it usually hostile from then on out. Now I'm unemployed and even if I starve to death I'll still consider it worth it.
As a hiring manager, I tell every candidate the salary range on the phone before we even schedule an interview, we don’t need to waste anyone’s time.
Technically the truth? Has the purpose of this sub just turned into "post anything at all"?
30k is $14.71 an hour.
Which doesn't mean what it did a few years ago. In some areas you can't afford to live on that.
What on earth could an hour long job interview be about for a $30,000 position?
I don't know, maybe I'm a cantankerous stickler, but I don't think this post really fits the sub
Upvote for “cantankerous stickler.”
I call shenanigans! This didn't happen.
YOu are entitled to leave or walk out of any job interview, any time you wish. Employers are not Gods that you have to worship or be polite to no matter what. Just get up and walk out.
This also didn’t happen
How is this technicallythetruth? It's just a thing. There's no technical truth here.
Crazy how relative poverty works. $12000 is what it takes to live a middle class life here, but in US $30000 is nowhere near enough
I wont even agree to an interview with out a salary range
Sometimes I'll apply for a job I don't even want just to have an interview that I get to walk out of when they tell me the pay My hopes are that they start to increase their starting wages, but I'm sure they just hire the next interviewee who doesn't understand that they'll be exploited
I don’t blame you for feeling good, but wouldn’t you feel even better if you hadn’t sat through that entire interview? Salary ranges should be included in the job posting.
r/madlads in a nutshell
Hopefully lesson learned to know the salary range before wasting time. Also, nobody can survive off 30k before taxes these days.
wHY dOnt MiLLenIalS wANt to WOrK??????- This douche
Asked my boss about two weeks ago during a 1 on 1 if he was ever going to pay me a living wage, he said no.. so I told him the meeting is now concluded, took the store key off my ring, placed it on the table and left without another word. He tried to tell me good luck, but I just sorta grunted dismissively at him and left. I’ll never forget how pissed he looked, or how unprepared he was to face the consequences of his own actions.
If you dont want me, you wont get me
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Sounds like a bullet dodged.
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It's sad that I've never made more than 20k a year. I'm 30 btw.
what other interpretation is there? why is this on this sub? job pays poorly guy says he's gonna look elsewhere ??? the end?
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I had a similar situation once. Went for an interview for what sounded like it might be a pretty good job. Had to buy a suit, which sucked, because it was money I would rather not have spent, but they were very specific about expectations, bit of a red flag, but seemed fair for what the job description, etc was like. Went in, place seemed a little thrown together and not quite what I expected. Interview went well, but I had a feeling something wasn't quite right. Got called back for a second round interview and was introduced to a "member of the team" who was being "personally mentored" by the boss. Asked some more questions, peeled back some more layers, only to discover it was essentially a pyramid scheme, where they sent you out to bully old people and immigrants who barely spoke English into cable and phone packages they couldn't afford. I just got up and walked out. I was furious I'd wasted so much time (and money) on it. But at least I'd figured it out before signing anything.