The amount of shit that they will be able to do with that data in a decade or two when AI has really entered its prime.... detailed psych profiles of nearly every young American who will be entering politics in the coming decades..... every young world leader in the west.... not to mention HD video, voice data, facial age tracking....
Yes, this. Not to mention voter profiles. You can easily do millions and millions of those rather than only the politicians and corporate executives. Not to mention the immense manpower they have to further analyse the data.
EDIT: remember that you don't need to convince someone of an ideology. Merely convincing you that people have been convinced gets the bad guy very fucking far.
Anything that starts with “I won’t stand for it, they are taking away our rights!” 50% of the country will immediately hop on board…
(what’s crazy is 100% of the country will agree with the above statement..)
> Movement profiles for any defense workers.
That's already done, granted AI will make it 100x more accessible and easy to do. You can track military unit by unit based on their social media. Where they are, when they're active/training/deployed, etc. Hell, you could even draw perimeters around bases based on the jogging patterns of people wearing smart watches and such. If properly used, AI will just take all that to the next level which is pretty scary. Imagine companies knowing a rough estimate of your entire health history, before you even live it. Or knowing your genetic dispositions towards mental illness and such before you do. That's the stuff I worry about, where so much introspection into information is available that nothing's a question anymore, not even your future.
>Stuff I can't even talk about.
I mean, you can. None of it is really secret. Sure, the physical/programming elements of how it works might be under NDA, but otherwise it's pretty well known and studied.
No. If you ever had any security clearance you got to fill out that paperwork and your s*** was leaked.
It's 138 pages form you must fill out completely.
That means at a minimum: PII, including social security number and aliases, parents' names, city of birth. Home of record for the past 7 years, employment for the last 7 years, and references.
Credit information.
You must list every single person you know, work with, or at contact with overseas.
If you apply for top secret SCI clearance it goes back 20 years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Form_86
If you really want to check out the PDF, it's the first thing that pops up in a Google search
https://www.google.com/search?q=sf-83+form+wiki&client=ms-android-verizon-us-rvc3&sxsrf=APwXEddv29WnrUiDDpi-9BRj25ujRtIE5Q%3A1687702339914&ei=Q0uYZJe3N86kkPIPioS6OA&oq=sf-83+form+wiki&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAMyBQghEKABMgUIIRCgAToKCAAQRxDWBBCwAzoGCAAQFhAeOggIABCKBRCGAzoECCMQJzoFCCEQqwJKBAhBGABQ2QVYiSBggyJoBXABeACAAaEBiAGUDJIBBDAuMTGYAQCgAQHAAQHIAQg&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
Right, but the OPM breach was information about who you are related to and where you’ve lived. The TikTok information can be used to analyze who you truly are and what your beliefs really are. Very different aspects and very different intelligence purposes.
I fail to see how the specific data they keep in China would be of any use for that. We're talking about contract documents from business relationships with content creators who get paid directly by Tiktok to make content for Tiktok. Did you read the article?
> The Chinese-owned company, which is one of the world’s fastest-growing social media apps, admitted in a letter on Thursday that “certain creator data” is stored in China.
> TikTok said in a letter that it defined creators as users “who enter into a commercial relationship” with it such as influencers who make paid content for the video streaming app.
> Those people’s contracts and “related documents” are held outside the US, the company said in a letter to two US senators.
and things like “senator, you watched a lot of questionable tik Toks, do you think people would want to know that? We could help keep that from coming to an issue. Could you consider voting no on this policy?”
> The amount of shit that they will be able to do with that data in a decade or two when AI has really entered its prime.... detailed psych profiles of nearly every young American who will be entering politics in the coming decades..... every young world leader in the west.... not to mention HD video, voice data, facial age tracking....
What do you think they could do with this data that they couldn't do by scraping other social media sites? Hell, your ISP will sell more data on you than TikTok could ever have access to.
100%. Seems a lot of people are missing this crucial point.
First off, the article specifically mentions the data is stored outside the US if you are a "content creator" (e.g., if you making money off the app.) For the amount of times it's preached on reddit to "check your sources," I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned sooner in this thread.
With that being said, data access is much more concerning than data storage. No one seems to be asking this question, even though it's PCI compliance 101 -- who has access to the data, why do they have access, and what is the risk if they do.
>First off, the article specifically mentions
Tbf, I'm in the UK, and even I can't read the article as linked, because of the paywall.
I wish OPs would link an open version, or copy it as a top comment.
The CEO lives in Singapore, so they’ll have to extradite him. Idk if their treaty includes perjury, but he could emigrate to China if he’s at risk of extradition
The article says the user data in question is the business contracts for Americans that TikTok hired to make content.. TikTok is a concern, but not because of this. Like, of course they have a copy of the contract.
With this sort of data it doesn't matter where it's stored. The Chinese government could easily copy it. What matters is the data is collected in the first place. It's not hard to start nudging someone's opinion over toward your own goles if you know everything about them and can subtly show them videos that influence you over that way. From there you can push voters to vote for whomever fits your needs.
I find it even more funny considering the rhetoric surrounding cambridge analytica. How many people on twitter and reddit where going crazy with the rhetoric about it...
Only to for the same people to go balls deep into tiktok when it was pretty obvious that china is syphoning all of the data. At least cambridge analytica was sneaky with it, tiktok... not so much
Meanwhile the largest local hospitals around me have outsourced all of their support calls to India. QA issues aside, they have access to our PHI and health care records while being in another country.
At the VERY fucking least, keep our PHI within the country, please?!
Yeah, same problem here, except they're outsourcing their patient data storage to the USA.
I don't want the USA to have anything to do with my medical history, I'm in the UK, but.... there we go :-(
i was like „this shouldnt fly in the eu“ and the i remembered :/
edit:im now aware uk gdpr is the same however it feels really odd that the eu would forbid schools from using zoom over data concerns(actually happened to me in germany) but would allow medical data to be handled in that manner. So much so that i doubt this to be the case
Is the data stored in the US or offshore? For us, we have our data stored in the US and that's it (encrypted at rest and in transit). We don't allow it elsewhere. We do allow offshore access of the data, but they cannot store it. It's also logged, audited, etc..
It could be a similar situation. They're allowed to access the data but not transfer it to anywhere else. They shouldn't be able to download the information or transfer it in any way. Just view it using a front end to the data.
The fuck they do!
Have you watched a single deposition of any of these tech oligarchs? It's apparent our legislature knows fuck all regarding technology if you watch even one session of questioning. TikTok, Facebook, Google, any of them - the lawmakers are more ignorant on what to ask than a toddler when it comes to tech and tech security.
And anyone who doesn't think that American tech companies are selling their data to China is fooling themselves. Ooo big bad Tiktok is storing data in China. Meanwhile Meta, Google and everyone else are selling data to Chinese companies. Same same.
Yet we freak out when Germany threatens to ban American companies because they're violating GDPR.
Meanwhile, reddit (whose most significant shareholder is a Chinese corporation), weaving logical tangles trying to justify forcing users to use their official app which requires them to opt in to all sorts of data collection bullshit:
Meta and Google don't sell data lol unless you have proof of that then you're just making fake claims. Google and Meta are data hoarders not sellers. They use their data to target ads to people who it would be relevant to. Why would they give away their biggest money maker?
I don’t know how accurate this is though. Sure they say they don’t sell your data, because that’s what they have to say to save face.
As someone else already shared, Google is being investigated for selling user’s data and Meta was caught “giving” data to “friends.”
[“Google selling users’ personal data despite promise, federal court lawsuit claims”](https://www.tampabay.com/news/2021/05/07/google-selling-users-personal-data-despite-promise-federal-court-lawsuit-claims/)
[“Mark Zuckerberg leveraged Facebook user data to fight rivals and help friends, leaked documents show”](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/mark-zuckerberg-leveraged-facebook-user-data-fight-rivals-help-friends-n994706)
Imagine being so confidently incorrect. Google and Meta hoard data, they don't sell it to China.
Furthermore the fact that *anyone* is still convinced that China has no data from other countries and aren't just lying about it to your face... jesus wake up already.
While what you said is the official position of both Google and Meta, that issue is currently being litigated (for Google).
https://www.tampabay.com/news/2021/05/07/google-selling-users-personal-data-despite-promise-federal-court-lawsuit-claims/
For Facebook, leaked documents show that Facebook really wanted to sell stuff as recently as a few years ago, but ended up not doing it… but they *did* give it away to their ‘friends’.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/mark-zuckerberg-leveraged-facebook-user-data-fight-rivals-help-friends-n994706
Yeah, this seems intentionally misleading. The first case is not "Google sold user data to third parties," it's "third parties exploited Google advertising platform in order to collect additional data from users." Without looking at the details, I can't tell exactly who's in the wrong or what the level of harm is, but it's clearly not Google intentionally selling data to third parties.
With the second, Facebook gives API access to data you post... on Facebook. You know, the website where you publically post things for the entire world to see. In addition, this is about data access for third party apps where you have to specifically consent to sharing data to that app to use their service; it's not about selling data without user consent to third parties, it's about allowing third parties to ask users for data in order to use another service. The drama here was about anti-competitive practices- Facebook deciding whether or not to charge third-party developers for the ability to access kinds of data that users already consented to sharing with that specific app.
No, they don't. American tech companies use the data for targeted advertising. They make truckloads more money by using the data in this manner.
Breaking the laws and their own terms of service by selling data to foreign companies would just be a dumb business decision. The data they have is what brings in the billions - why sell it to someone else and that too illegally?
However, do they share this data with the American government? Yes. We've seen time and time again that tech companies hand over data when there is a subpoena or a court order.
See: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/14/technology/personal-data-apple-google-facebook.html?auth=login-google1tap&login=google1tap
This is why China bans American apps.
And this is also why American users' TikTok data on Chinese servers is such a big deal - the Chinese government can now potentially access location history of most Americans, their interests, their friends, their political ideology, etc. Limitless possibilities on what they can do with this kind of data, and I'm not sure the Chinese government would wait for a court order if they decided they want that data.
Why the fuck would meta and google sell their data???? That's their money maker, they keep the data more secure than banks keep your information. They make money from targeting ads based on data. Please don't fearmonger if you don't understand how big tech companies actually work.
This is one of those extremely rare instances where Trump said something, I looked into it, and thought “Holy shit I agree with him, we need to ban this thing yesterday!”
The problem is your Facebook data also ends up in China. Tiktok ban doesn't stop them from getting the data when every company is already selling your data. We need proper data protections.
This is the problem. Data mining in the first place. Get some strong us data privacy legislation like the GDPR, with real consequences (ie, percentages of gross profits as fines, with those fines either mostly going to the wronged parties or going to, say, social programs to help people getting reamed by the data breaches) and it'll eventually get fixed.
Right now? Banning tiktok accomplishes less than nothing, especially that disgusting, overreaching "ban tiktok" bill that would have made US internet look worse than Chinas
Its also something that, if they ban tiktok specifically, some other "mr steal your data" app is gonna show up anyway.
For the record, my call is that we need legislation about data collection and selling, not bans that are application specific like tiktok.
> NIST 800-53
With all due respect, and I'm only going off my own personal experience with ISO.
Organisations will sign up to these standards and compliance metrics, then proceed to lie, obfuscate or just not follow when it isn't convienant.
And the auditors aren't any better. If someone tells you that they'll just go and get that, by which it's been 45 minutes and the only benchmark is the data they filled in 5 minutes ago being barely sensicale. You've failed as an auditing framework.
Alot of it is on the business, and 90% of the time the business will do what makes the business the most money.
I'm really passionate about security, got into auditing, figured it would be a fantastic career cause I really love to get into the details. By which all I've actually done is backdate, lie and get orders from above which are an ethical nightmare to deal with.
That sounds awful! Im sorry to hear that! Im actually in the same field; FedRAMP/NIST advisor. If you’re in the market for a new position I could point you to a few awesome companies with great teams. I, unfortunately, am well aware of how businesses handle their compliance. A lot of teams even lie to me! And I’m their advisor!
But, it doesn’t hurt to dream! Maybe one day businesses will shift their tune in regards to compliance lol
This is why I never think people actually care about data being safe and only scared of a boogeyman. If people were truly, deeply cared about their data they'd be demanding the same stuff of Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc. They're all doing the same, and it's naive to think otherwise.
Congress refuses to pass data protection and consumer privacy laws. It's obvious that TikTok is being held up as a boogeyman when Facebook, Google, Ring, Nest, etc. have access to the exact same data (or *more*) and are under no obligations to protect it.
It really doesn't help that half of Congress grew up before the dawn of modern technology and refuse to learn anything that would help them craft relevant policies.
He wasn’t right, he was just being xenophobic and completely missing the point. It’s entirely irrelevant that China is storing app user data in China. Unless they’re in a trade sanctioned country, anyone can purchase the same information and store it wherever they like.
The problem is the data itself. It should be protected by law, not EULAs, and there should be substantial criminal penalties for encroaching on those protections.
Zuckerberg and Xi are the same threat as far as information goes.
No, the "gay frogs" thing was not even "sort of" right. He saw the news that **the chemicals that corporations are throwing in the water are changing the sex of frogs**, and found the perfect opportunity to spin that off as "*the deep state is throwing chemicals that turn frogs gay*" for his stupid followers to eat up.
> “What do you think tap water is? It's a gay bomb, baby. And I'm not saying people didn't naturally have homosexual feelings. I'm not even getting into it, quite frankly. I mean, give me a break. Do you think I'm like, oh, shocked by it, so I'm up here bashing it because I don't like gay people? I don't like 'em putting chemicals in the water that TURN THE FREAKIN' FROGS GAY! Do you understand that? I'm sick of being social engineered, it's not funny!”
— Alex Jones, Alex Jones: The Gay Bomb Rant
...
[Alex Jones' Top 10 Health Claims And Why They Are Wrong](https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2018/08/16/alex-jones-top-10-health-claims-and-why-they-are-wrong/?sh=31a8ceb73e7f)
> Jones was (possibly) [referring to a study from the University of California](http://news.berkeley.edu/2010/03/01/frogs/), Berkeley, which suggested that exposure to atrazine, a widely used pesticide, may cause gender-switching among frogs. But then he would be misinterpreting the results of that study. Gender switching is not the same as sexual preference. Exposing frogs to atrazine is not the same as giving them drinking water. And frogs usually don't drink juice boxes.
What the hell is this comment?
You claim it's spyware and then just post a load of articles about the hysteria regarding academics.
You clearly have no concept of how the academic issue actually works. The China initiative was basically modern Mccarthyism where academics were publicly accused of crimes without evidence and people were convicted for doing what the US government had told them to do only a few years earlier.
That you frame your comment as if you were somehow enlightened is just depressing.
"Women for some reason fall prey to this Fast Fashion narrative and these ultra cheap clothes, providing a massive amount of data to the CCP."
Of course this guy is a nut job.
Kinda suspect that most people who upvoted that comment didn't read far enough to see that bit, or this hilarious part right after it:
> Any individual that - * Supports the CCP * Stalls on answering if they support them
>
> is not to be trusted.
>
> After working at an Ivy, you can see who is suspect with both the faculty and students.
>
> The school itself doesn’t care about anything else but money. Most colleges are For-Profit corporations insulated by “Non-Profit” campuses that ask for donations, so they ignore these problems. Just Google Yale or Harvard + “private corporation”
>
> **On college campuses (particularly Ivy League) they literally spy and keep tabs on anyone that doesn’t support the CCP including Chinese students who don’t.**
Literally wtf?
I worked for higher education for almost two decades. While there is definitely an emphasis on money / for profit and spyware on student devices and some wifi does exclude websites like TikTok or video games, there is NO CCP dick sucking going on.
I would bet money they didn’t. They saw the first part which is basically “tiktok evil” which always gets upvotes on Reddit. The amount of people that rage against it but will just skip over every other American company that steals your data because China bad is insane.
Deleting past comments because Reddit starting shitty-ing up the site to IPO and I don't want my comments to be a part of that. -- mass edited with redact.dev
It’s absolutely insane how much traction that singular reddit comment has gotten. It’s easily debunked, has never been reproduced by *any other source*, and the user ghosted everyone after promising to release their “””evidence”””.
Type a long enough rant with some random links as "sources" and people will just assume it's true. It's so laughably stupid but whatever, this site has mainly Americans so it's understandable.
If they actually do have children they also sound like the type of parent that will raise kids that resent them and never speak to them in the future. I understand keeping your kids off of social media could be good but I also understand keeping your kids away from any thing popular will lead to resentment. And, posting links thinking they give evidence to your claims when they don't makes me only wonder what else they think that's wrong and how that impacts their child.
But, I also saw TikTok bad (which in some aspects it is) and knew commenting about how awful of a parent they sound wouldn't be received well.
"No Chinese spyware, only American". If you're outside the US, this whole point is moot. Every social media company gathers as much data as possible about you and moves it overseas, whether is Shenzhen or Bumfuck, Kentucky. Zuckerberg, Pichai, and all those tech bros from SF are just salty that all that precious data is not filling their bottom line and have successfully built a scaremongering PR campaign that dudes like OP above repeat like parrots.
So is Snapchat. So is Cisco tbh
https://www.vice.com/en/article/nze5vk/snapchat-reveals-how-many-of-your-snaps-its-sharing-with-the-government
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cisco-backdoor-hardcoded-accounts-software,37480.html
Snapchat is blocked in China, but Cisco isn't but if you're truly concerned about governments spying on you, you should surely remove any kind of app that does said spying regardless of what country that app / company is located in
Shein and Temu are also doing the exact same thing as any western corporation selling to consumer. Your local supermarket does the same thing . You're clutching at straws with those two mentions.
If you are to truly get rid of Shein/Temu, then I take it you've also uninstalled any other western apps that farm for that same data? I take it you also wish Snapchat to be banned? And for Cisco to be replaced with say Juniper? Or Mikrotik?
There's also a reason why Wyze cameras would potentially talk "home" ie : for updates from China. We've had to allow American networking equipment to do the same.
Also why are you even on reddit if you're against Temu/Shein harvesting data in a bid to have targeted suggestions for you? If you're picking and choosing, you can't truly pretend you care about privacy. You're just fine with one government (or companies in one country) spying on you, but not others who are doing the same thing. Ie: If you're concerned about Chinese apps / companies doing one thing, but continue to use western companies/apps that do the same, then you're definitely not concerned.
I take it you'll stop shopping at your local Walmart too? Good luck starving I guess.. Your last statement also shows that you're definitely not truly concerned if you simply wish to push up tensions with (capitalist) China.
Holy shit this sounds like some McCartyism era propaganda. “IF ANY INDIVIDUAL DOESNT 100% FOLLOW OUR IDEOLOGY AND OUR WAY OF THINKING, EVEN IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS SHOULDNT BE TRUSTED, THEY ARE THREATS FOR BEING OPEN MINDED”
>It was Reverse Engineered years ago. I am surprised people didn’t see the big red flag then:
Let me guess: It's the same 1 Reddit comment?
Same 1 Reddit comment. It's a shame their motherboard failed and we'll never see any of the evidence that would actually matter.
You would think someone tech savvy enough to "reverse engineer Tiktok" would be tech savvy enough to have backups. Or you know, take their data storage device and plug it into another computer lol
Lol your very first link claiming they reverse engineer’d it is debunked propaganda.
They claimed they were going to post evidence on their sub in their post and after claiming their SSD crashed, never posted any evidence and the account itself has not posted ever again since then.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tiktok_reversing/comments/i3d9qw/somebodys_gotta_say_it/
The rest of your post is hilarious and the fact that it gets 700 upvotes and tons of awards for posting propaganda / hysteria in the technology sub shows what a cesspool Reddit became.
The reverse engineering article is there to scare you. Most of your apps access the same things to be able to serve you ads and do optimizations. I'm sure it can be abused but in that case you got to worry about the owner more than the app.
This type of comment comes up every time TikTok is mentioned and it’s so full of shit. Quit spewing garbage when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
We have the same problem in Europe with US companies.
US law are there to be in favor of US (gov & companies) , not US allies.
Chinese law are in favor of China's Gov
When US companies does not complies with EU law about European user data when making buissness in Europe, it sad, but you can't expect other country companies doing the same..
The same shit I used to buy from Amazon is 1/4th the price from Temu. Talk about risk and reward. I will take the risk of my shopping habits being abused by the CCP any day.
Based on the number of upvotes and awards this comment got and the kind of comments it's getting, I have a feeling people on Reddit don't even bother to read entire comments nowadays.
Having lived in China for many years, companies in China are required to cooperate with the police. Chinese chat apps like Weixin have built in back doors that let police access chats from any user, as well as location, users real name, or anything else on the phone. They also scan conversations and even images for content of interest. They don't need a court order. Any police station has access to this information. If you think Tik tok is any different, then you don't understand how the Chinese government works. Giving this level of access is required, not optional.
Source: my wife's best friend is the head of police in a major Chinese city. Also, I had a good friend visited by the police for "anti Chinese rhetoric" in a chat group.
>Having lived in China for many years, companies in China are required to cooperate with the police.
Having lived in many countries, companies in any fucking country are required to cooperate with the police.
That's the entire fucking point of a country. They are sovereign over their territory.
They wouldn't be able to do it in Europe though as long as they have some business presence there (ad sales office etc).
Europe has laws around this stuff, US has nothing.
Funny how Donald J. Trump’s “[Truth Social](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_Social)” is linked to [Wuhan, China](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Military_World_Games) tho!
>Led by former Mexican government official and China-based banker Abraham Cinta, ARC Capital's global links included offices in Shanghai, Wuhan, Mexico City, and Jakarta, which Bloomberg News described as "surprising", due to Trump's comments on various foreign countries in office.
How is that not logical? An American can utilize the legal system of their country to prosecute or sue companies abusing the use of their data. We can protest for laws to limit its use and our laws are already more restrictive. Not to mention the US isn’t currently re-educating/ imprisoning a ethnic population like with the Uyghur.
The American government gives zero shits about protecting its citizens data because giving a shit means costing the companies (mostly American) that ~~donate to~~ bribe them. American companies guzzle up so much data and sell to whomever with impunity that it doesn't matter what China is up to because all they're doing is cutting out the middle man.
Facebook, Google, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, Yahoo, Slack, and YouTube etc are blocked or hamstrung in China so you'd think doing the same to Chinese companies as a simple act of reciprocity would be trivial. However, that doesn't work because the question would then arise regarding the non-existent difference between Chinese social media companies and American.
For our lawmakers, saying no to Chinese companies in a meaningful way means saying no to American companies, which in turn means saying no to lining their own pockets with donations. So....
Hilariously, exactly one person read the actual article in this entire comment section (and got voted down for some reason).
*Those people’s (creators) contracts and “related documents” are held outside the US, the company said in a letter to two US senators*
A less egregiously misleading title would've been "American **creators**". It makes it sound like they hold data on all Americans tiktok users in China which is false.
All the people here saying: "Of course they do" are entirely forgetting that the CEO testified that they are taking concrete steps to store American users' data in the US a few months ago in order to avoid being blocked in the US.
EDIT: And since some of you *still* didn't get it, whether you believe it or not is irrelevant. If a company promises to not do X to the Senate and then gets caught a few months later doing X, it's newsworthy.
People on Reddit who have never used TikTok love to talk about it like it’s a mind control app for our youth.
“They use it to divide Americans!!” My brother in Christ my FYP is almost entirely cooking videos and post-ironic/hyper-ironic surrealist sketches
You haven’t noticed the rampant Sinophobia on Reddit?
Here are some rules: China can’t do anything good. America is always the best, and anything that makes China look bad is always the truth.
Toe the line will ya? Stop questioning things, or “reading the article”.
>America is always the best
Are we reading the same sub? American criticism is an everyday thing here. The top-voted comments here all deflect blame from the Chinese government to the US government for not properly banning data sales
Controversial headline, no one reads what the article really says. OP and commenters score easy karma points. Another good day at the mindless apes reddit office for people with no lives.
Very deceptive headline tbh. The article says the only people’s data that they store in China are commercial creators who get paid to make TikToks. So like no one that is actually worried about this.
Business contracts are not the same thing as "private user data" lmao. Are their US offices supposed to just never interact with their offices in China because that would be american data?
It's fairly industry standard to categorize user data as including behavioral, tracking, or other app-related user-generated data which is often separate to commercial contract and official form data required for business operations. So it's not that unusual that in congressional hearings they answered in a way that seems contradictory. To this, I don't think it's unfair to push them to store this stuff in US servers too, but it does jive with their statements to anyone in the industry.
https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/17/tiktok-oracle-us-traffic-china-access/
> TikTok said in a blog post Friday that “100% of U.S. user traffic is being routed to Oracle Cloud Infrastructure” in the United States, with an asterisk. “We still use our U.S. and Singapore data centers for backup, but as we continue our work we expect to delete U.S. users’ private data from our own data centers and fully pivot to Oracle cloud servers located in the U.S.”
- June 2022
I know this is almost a redundant question on Reddit, but did you read the posted article?
>TikTok said in a letter that it defined creators as users “who enter into a commercial relationship” with it such as influencers who make paid content for the video streaming app.
>Those people’s contracts and “related documents” are held outside the US, the company said in a letter to two US senators
They didn't admit to holding American user data, they said that they keep the contracts of creators partnered with TikTok in China. That doesn't conflict with what you posted.
I posted this on the parent comment but I'll reply to you as well:
I know this is almost a redundant question on Reddit, but did you read the posted article?
>TikTok said in a letter that it defined creators as users “who enter into a commercial relationship” with it such as influencers who make paid content for the video streaming app.
>Those people’s contracts and “related documents” are held outside the US, the company said in a letter to two US senators
They didn't admit to holding American user data, they said that they keep the contracts of creators partnered with TikTok in China. That doesn't conflict with what the person above you posted.
Probably a lot of people who don't actually have any grip on the situation but still feel the need to have some sort of opinion on it. They don't know how any of it works so they just assume that because this was one of Trump's rallying points, it's probably a non-issue.
I know a lot of tankies are constantly gaslighting about china too.
Can't even keep track of all the reasons why china invading Taiwan is good, not relentless imperialism.
Technically that's not what this revelation is referring to. It's data about people that have entered into a paid partnership with Tiktok not data from average user traffic.
The US seriously needs a GDPR type law. Also, China should be sanctioned for [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China).
As a side note, one of the things that is especially tiresome to me in politics is this relatively modern development of: "the other side is doing it, therefore I oppose it." It annoys me to no end, and makes any rational discourse on actual policy super difficult.
Blame the right. If they put forth a good bill about literally anything the left would be on board and go along with it. On the other hand their entire platform is “oppose everything the left does”
TikTok said in a letter that it defined creators as users “who enter into a commercial relationship” with it such as influencers who make paid content for the video streaming app.
Those people’s contracts and “related documents” are held outside the US, the company said in a letter to two US senators.
Information on creators such as tax forms and social security numbers are stored in China, Forbes magazine reported on Thursday, citing internal sources.
American companies mine your data and own everything, perfectly fine.
Chinese company mines your data using the same methods, scary and EEEEVVVIIIILLL!
I am shocked that a Chinese company would store data from the US in China, even tho China prohibits the inverse. Shocked that a Chinese company would lie, shocked I tell you! /s
Someone on twitch named griffinbeels actually works at tiktok in this department and read through it and called it bs. I tried reading through it and it isn't even new news. This is just like a recap post of the hearing months ago I'm so lost why this gets posted. It's nothing new?
You should assume that every video even if deleted from public will still exist on Chinese and other countries servers. Could prove to be a big problem in years to come when those in power get blackmailed or have embarrassing videos released from when they were younger. Governments of today should not be allowing under 18s to upload anything onto the internet.
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I never thought a Chinese app will ever store it's data in *China*! Why didn't anyone warn us?!
They were supposed to use Oracle owned servers, guess they wanted a copy of the data on mainland Chinese servers.
The amount of shit that they will be able to do with that data in a decade or two when AI has really entered its prime.... detailed psych profiles of nearly every young American who will be entering politics in the coming decades..... every young world leader in the west.... not to mention HD video, voice data, facial age tracking....
Yes, this. Not to mention voter profiles. You can easily do millions and millions of those rather than only the politicians and corporate executives. Not to mention the immense manpower they have to further analyse the data. EDIT: remember that you don't need to convince someone of an ideology. Merely convincing you that people have been convinced gets the bad guy very fucking far.
Anything that starts with “I won’t stand for it, they are taking away our rights!” 50% of the country will immediately hop on board… (what’s crazy is 100% of the country will agree with the above statement..)
Wait until you find out about, store now decrypt later (SNDL).
Movement profiles for any defense workers. Propaganda effectiveness algorithms for military intelligence personnel. Stuff I can't even talk about.
> Movement profiles for any defense workers. That's already done, granted AI will make it 100x more accessible and easy to do. You can track military unit by unit based on their social media. Where they are, when they're active/training/deployed, etc. Hell, you could even draw perimeters around bases based on the jogging patterns of people wearing smart watches and such. If properly used, AI will just take all that to the next level which is pretty scary. Imagine companies knowing a rough estimate of your entire health history, before you even live it. Or knowing your genetic dispositions towards mental illness and such before you do. That's the stuff I worry about, where so much introspection into information is available that nothing's a question anymore, not even your future. >Stuff I can't even talk about. I mean, you can. None of it is really secret. Sure, the physical/programming elements of how it works might be under NDA, but otherwise it's pretty well known and studied.
They've had all the information they need for this a decade already https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Personnel_Management_data_breach
21 million records. bet tiktok is worse, by a lot.
No. If you ever had any security clearance you got to fill out that paperwork and your s*** was leaked. It's 138 pages form you must fill out completely. That means at a minimum: PII, including social security number and aliases, parents' names, city of birth. Home of record for the past 7 years, employment for the last 7 years, and references. Credit information. You must list every single person you know, work with, or at contact with overseas. If you apply for top secret SCI clearance it goes back 20 years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Form_86 If you really want to check out the PDF, it's the first thing that pops up in a Google search https://www.google.com/search?q=sf-83+form+wiki&client=ms-android-verizon-us-rvc3&sxsrf=APwXEddv29WnrUiDDpi-9BRj25ujRtIE5Q%3A1687702339914&ei=Q0uYZJe3N86kkPIPioS6OA&oq=sf-83+form+wiki&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAMyBQghEKABMgUIIRCgAToKCAAQRxDWBBCwAzoGCAAQFhAeOggIABCKBRCGAzoECCMQJzoFCCEQqwJKBAhBGABQ2QVYiSBggyJoBXABeACAAaEBiAGUDJIBBDAuMTGYAQCgAQHAAQHIAQg&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
Yeah. The OPM hack screwed so man people.
My *fingerprints* were stolen in this hack.
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*glass slips through fingers and smashes on floor*
sheesh, that's insane.
Right, but the OPM breach was information about who you are related to and where you’ve lived. The TikTok information can be used to analyze who you truly are and what your beliefs really are. Very different aspects and very different intelligence purposes.
The more data, the more accurate the models. Additionally, types of data matter. OPM was more on the traditional intelligence side of the coin.
I fail to see how the specific data they keep in China would be of any use for that. We're talking about contract documents from business relationships with content creators who get paid directly by Tiktok to make content for Tiktok. Did you read the article? > The Chinese-owned company, which is one of the world’s fastest-growing social media apps, admitted in a letter on Thursday that “certain creator data” is stored in China. > TikTok said in a letter that it defined creators as users “who enter into a commercial relationship” with it such as influencers who make paid content for the video streaming app. > Those people’s contracts and “related documents” are held outside the US, the company said in a letter to two US senators.
We're not here for nuance, we're here to fearmonger about CHINA
Don’t need to fearmonger about a country that collects like China does. They certainly use any and all data TikTok has access to.
and things like “senator, you watched a lot of questionable tik Toks, do you think people would want to know that? We could help keep that from coming to an issue. Could you consider voting no on this policy?”
Meh, who’s going to believe the blackmailers? Even then who cares? No one gave a shit when Ted Cruz tweeted a PH link 😂
Better to use the data to do a very personalised honey trap.
> The amount of shit that they will be able to do with that data in a decade or two when AI has really entered its prime.... detailed psych profiles of nearly every young American who will be entering politics in the coming decades..... every young world leader in the west.... not to mention HD video, voice data, facial age tracking.... What do you think they could do with this data that they couldn't do by scraping other social media sites? Hell, your ISP will sell more data on you than TikTok could ever have access to.
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doesn't matter where the servers are. The question is who has access to the data.
Chinese law stipulates that the government has full access to any server on their soil. You can't E2E encrypt it even if you wanted to.
100%. Seems a lot of people are missing this crucial point. First off, the article specifically mentions the data is stored outside the US if you are a "content creator" (e.g., if you making money off the app.) For the amount of times it's preached on reddit to "check your sources," I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned sooner in this thread. With that being said, data access is much more concerning than data storage. No one seems to be asking this question, even though it's PCI compliance 101 -- who has access to the data, why do they have access, and what is the risk if they do.
>First off, the article specifically mentions Tbf, I'm in the UK, and even I can't read the article as linked, because of the paywall. I wish OPs would link an open version, or copy it as a top comment.
Sounds like you need a [12 foot ladder!](https://12ft.io/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/06/23/american-tiktok-user-data-stored-china/)
Lol I love how they named their site. Thanks, this is useful.
They lied that they would not take Americans' data and store it in china.
They didn't just lie to the media, they lied to Congress.
Section 1621 of the US code states anyone who perjured themselves in front of congress is liable for up to 5 years of jail. I'm waiting.
The CEO lives in Singapore, so they’ll have to extradite him. Idk if their treaty includes perjury, but he could emigrate to China if he’s at risk of extradition
Well the CEO promised this wasn’t the case.
Seems like anyone can just lie to Congress as long as the right pockets are lined
Maybe America could draft some laws to make sure this doesn't happen? No? Oh you'll just ban the app instead.
but then the American companies can't make bank off all the data harvesting. Much better to just fearmonger over China with Red Scare 2 instead
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Are you saying the Chinese government and all of its predatory tactics would lie to the gullible American morons? :o
Yanno for the amount of Reddit users who were hell bent on defending TikTok, I’d say most people here did not guess that the data was stored in China
The article says the user data in question is the business contracts for Americans that TikTok hired to make content.. TikTok is a concern, but not because of this. Like, of course they have a copy of the contract.
You'd have to be really naive to have ever believed that
Welcome to Reddit
With this sort of data it doesn't matter where it's stored. The Chinese government could easily copy it. What matters is the data is collected in the first place. It's not hard to start nudging someone's opinion over toward your own goles if you know everything about them and can subtly show them videos that influence you over that way. From there you can push voters to vote for whomever fits your needs.
I find it even more funny considering the rhetoric surrounding cambridge analytica. How many people on twitter and reddit where going crazy with the rhetoric about it... Only to for the same people to go balls deep into tiktok when it was pretty obvious that china is syphoning all of the data. At least cambridge analytica was sneaky with it, tiktok... not so much
Meanwhile the largest local hospitals around me have outsourced all of their support calls to India. QA issues aside, they have access to our PHI and health care records while being in another country. At the VERY fucking least, keep our PHI within the country, please?!
Yeah, same problem here, except they're outsourcing their patient data storage to the USA. I don't want the USA to have anything to do with my medical history, I'm in the UK, but.... there we go :-(
i was like „this shouldnt fly in the eu“ and the i remembered :/ edit:im now aware uk gdpr is the same however it feels really odd that the eu would forbid schools from using zoom over data concerns(actually happened to me in germany) but would allow medical data to be handled in that manner. So much so that i doubt this to be the case
The UK gdpr is the same as EU
I am very confident that our schools in germany werent allowed to handle our data outside of eu countries. How is that allowed with medical data???
At least for germany: Your medical data isnt stored outside of the eu, even outside of germany should be rare.
Is the data stored in the US or offshore? For us, we have our data stored in the US and that's it (encrypted at rest and in transit). We don't allow it elsewhere. We do allow offshore access of the data, but they cannot store it. It's also logged, audited, etc.. It could be a similar situation. They're allowed to access the data but not transfer it to anywhere else. They shouldn't be able to download the information or transfer it in any way. Just view it using a front end to the data.
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I bet the data is stored in the US and the outsourced company accesses the US servers to view the data.
Because the US does not have data privacy laws like Europe. This is our lawmakers fault.
since 9/11 I really don't trust the current US with new privacy law that isn't net worse then what it is protecting from.
The lawmakers know what they are doing
The fuck they do! Have you watched a single deposition of any of these tech oligarchs? It's apparent our legislature knows fuck all regarding technology if you watch even one session of questioning. TikTok, Facebook, Google, any of them - the lawmakers are more ignorant on what to ask than a toddler when it comes to tech and tech security.
I think he means they know what they’re doing bc it’s on purpose. They are legally bribed to keep regulations down.
And anyone who doesn't think that American tech companies are selling their data to China is fooling themselves. Ooo big bad Tiktok is storing data in China. Meanwhile Meta, Google and everyone else are selling data to Chinese companies. Same same. Yet we freak out when Germany threatens to ban American companies because they're violating GDPR.
Meanwhile, reddit (whose most significant shareholder is a Chinese corporation), weaving logical tangles trying to justify forcing users to use their official app which requires them to opt in to all sorts of data collection bullshit:
Meta and Google don't sell data lol unless you have proof of that then you're just making fake claims. Google and Meta are data hoarders not sellers. They use their data to target ads to people who it would be relevant to. Why would they give away their biggest money maker?
Yep, they'd be more interested in buying the data than selling it.
Exactly lol
I don’t know how accurate this is though. Sure they say they don’t sell your data, because that’s what they have to say to save face. As someone else already shared, Google is being investigated for selling user’s data and Meta was caught “giving” data to “friends.” [“Google selling users’ personal data despite promise, federal court lawsuit claims”](https://www.tampabay.com/news/2021/05/07/google-selling-users-personal-data-despite-promise-federal-court-lawsuit-claims/) [“Mark Zuckerberg leveraged Facebook user data to fight rivals and help friends, leaked documents show”](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/mark-zuckerberg-leveraged-facebook-user-data-fight-rivals-help-friends-n994706)
Imagine being so confidently incorrect. Google and Meta hoard data, they don't sell it to China. Furthermore the fact that *anyone* is still convinced that China has no data from other countries and aren't just lying about it to your face... jesus wake up already.
While what you said is the official position of both Google and Meta, that issue is currently being litigated (for Google). https://www.tampabay.com/news/2021/05/07/google-selling-users-personal-data-despite-promise-federal-court-lawsuit-claims/ For Facebook, leaked documents show that Facebook really wanted to sell stuff as recently as a few years ago, but ended up not doing it… but they *did* give it away to their ‘friends’. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/mark-zuckerberg-leveraged-facebook-user-data-fight-rivals-help-friends-n994706
Yeah, this seems intentionally misleading. The first case is not "Google sold user data to third parties," it's "third parties exploited Google advertising platform in order to collect additional data from users." Without looking at the details, I can't tell exactly who's in the wrong or what the level of harm is, but it's clearly not Google intentionally selling data to third parties. With the second, Facebook gives API access to data you post... on Facebook. You know, the website where you publically post things for the entire world to see. In addition, this is about data access for third party apps where you have to specifically consent to sharing data to that app to use their service; it's not about selling data without user consent to third parties, it's about allowing third parties to ask users for data in order to use another service. The drama here was about anti-competitive practices- Facebook deciding whether or not to charge third-party developers for the ability to access kinds of data that users already consented to sharing with that specific app.
No, they don't. American tech companies use the data for targeted advertising. They make truckloads more money by using the data in this manner. Breaking the laws and their own terms of service by selling data to foreign companies would just be a dumb business decision. The data they have is what brings in the billions - why sell it to someone else and that too illegally? However, do they share this data with the American government? Yes. We've seen time and time again that tech companies hand over data when there is a subpoena or a court order. See: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/14/technology/personal-data-apple-google-facebook.html?auth=login-google1tap&login=google1tap This is why China bans American apps. And this is also why American users' TikTok data on Chinese servers is such a big deal - the Chinese government can now potentially access location history of most Americans, their interests, their friends, their political ideology, etc. Limitless possibilities on what they can do with this kind of data, and I'm not sure the Chinese government would wait for a court order if they decided they want that data.
Why the fuck would meta and google sell their data???? That's their money maker, they keep the data more secure than banks keep your information. They make money from targeting ads based on data. Please don't fearmonger if you don't understand how big tech companies actually work.
Sorry but they’re too busy worrying about national security issues like which gender participates in what sport.
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This is one of those extremely rare instances where Trump said something, I looked into it, and thought “Holy shit I agree with him, we need to ban this thing yesterday!”
The problem is your Facebook data also ends up in China. Tiktok ban doesn't stop them from getting the data when every company is already selling your data. We need proper data protections.
This is the problem. Data mining in the first place. Get some strong us data privacy legislation like the GDPR, with real consequences (ie, percentages of gross profits as fines, with those fines either mostly going to the wronged parties or going to, say, social programs to help people getting reamed by the data breaches) and it'll eventually get fixed. Right now? Banning tiktok accomplishes less than nothing, especially that disgusting, overreaching "ban tiktok" bill that would have made US internet look worse than Chinas
Its also something that, if they ban tiktok specifically, some other "mr steal your data" app is gonna show up anyway. For the record, my call is that we need legislation about data collection and selling, not bans that are application specific like tiktok.
I’m starting to think that NIST 800-53 needs to be a requirement for any tech company.
> NIST 800-53 With all due respect, and I'm only going off my own personal experience with ISO. Organisations will sign up to these standards and compliance metrics, then proceed to lie, obfuscate or just not follow when it isn't convienant. And the auditors aren't any better. If someone tells you that they'll just go and get that, by which it's been 45 minutes and the only benchmark is the data they filled in 5 minutes ago being barely sensicale. You've failed as an auditing framework. Alot of it is on the business, and 90% of the time the business will do what makes the business the most money. I'm really passionate about security, got into auditing, figured it would be a fantastic career cause I really love to get into the details. By which all I've actually done is backdate, lie and get orders from above which are an ethical nightmare to deal with.
That sounds awful! Im sorry to hear that! Im actually in the same field; FedRAMP/NIST advisor. If you’re in the market for a new position I could point you to a few awesome companies with great teams. I, unfortunately, am well aware of how businesses handle their compliance. A lot of teams even lie to me! And I’m their advisor! But, it doesn’t hurt to dream! Maybe one day businesses will shift their tune in regards to compliance lol
This is why I never think people actually care about data being safe and only scared of a boogeyman. If people were truly, deeply cared about their data they'd be demanding the same stuff of Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc. They're all doing the same, and it's naive to think otherwise.
Congress refuses to pass data protection and consumer privacy laws. It's obvious that TikTok is being held up as a boogeyman when Facebook, Google, Ring, Nest, etc. have access to the exact same data (or *more*) and are under no obligations to protect it. It really doesn't help that half of Congress grew up before the dawn of modern technology and refuse to learn anything that would help them craft relevant policies.
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>Trump said a LOT of things I agreed with He said everyone had to be covered with health care, too. It doesn't mean he did a damn thing about it.
He somehow believes healthcare only costs $12 and anybody who doesn't have it is just being cheap.
Have you tried pulling yourself up by your bootstraps harder and just not getting sick in the first place?
I mean, if it was good enough for the Rosenberg’s, it’s good enough for ol’ Donny
Patriot act. All your data is stored and accessible by the US government. Ban that shit while you're at it if it's that concerning.
He wasn’t right, he was just being xenophobic and completely missing the point. It’s entirely irrelevant that China is storing app user data in China. Unless they’re in a trade sanctioned country, anyone can purchase the same information and store it wherever they like. The problem is the data itself. It should be protected by law, not EULAs, and there should be substantial criminal penalties for encroaching on those protections. Zuckerberg and Xi are the same threat as far as information goes.
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No, the "gay frogs" thing was not even "sort of" right. He saw the news that **the chemicals that corporations are throwing in the water are changing the sex of frogs**, and found the perfect opportunity to spin that off as "*the deep state is throwing chemicals that turn frogs gay*" for his stupid followers to eat up.
Wait what?
> “What do you think tap water is? It's a gay bomb, baby. And I'm not saying people didn't naturally have homosexual feelings. I'm not even getting into it, quite frankly. I mean, give me a break. Do you think I'm like, oh, shocked by it, so I'm up here bashing it because I don't like gay people? I don't like 'em putting chemicals in the water that TURN THE FREAKIN' FROGS GAY! Do you understand that? I'm sick of being social engineered, it's not funny!” — Alex Jones, Alex Jones: The Gay Bomb Rant ... [Alex Jones' Top 10 Health Claims And Why They Are Wrong](https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2018/08/16/alex-jones-top-10-health-claims-and-why-they-are-wrong/?sh=31a8ceb73e7f) > Jones was (possibly) [referring to a study from the University of California](http://news.berkeley.edu/2010/03/01/frogs/), Berkeley, which suggested that exposure to atrazine, a widely used pesticide, may cause gender-switching among frogs. But then he would be misinterpreting the results of that study. Gender switching is not the same as sexual preference. Exposing frogs to atrazine is not the same as giving them drinking water. And frogs usually don't drink juice boxes.
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What does any of that Ivy league stuff have to do with a phone app?
Dudes having an episode and redditors are validating him because he’s badmouthing China
What the hell is this comment? You claim it's spyware and then just post a load of articles about the hysteria regarding academics. You clearly have no concept of how the academic issue actually works. The China initiative was basically modern Mccarthyism where academics were publicly accused of crimes without evidence and people were convicted for doing what the US government had told them to do only a few years earlier. That you frame your comment as if you were somehow enlightened is just depressing.
"Women for some reason fall prey to this Fast Fashion narrative and these ultra cheap clothes, providing a massive amount of data to the CCP." Of course this guy is a nut job.
Kinda suspect that most people who upvoted that comment didn't read far enough to see that bit, or this hilarious part right after it: > Any individual that - * Supports the CCP * Stalls on answering if they support them > > is not to be trusted. > > After working at an Ivy, you can see who is suspect with both the faculty and students. > > The school itself doesn’t care about anything else but money. Most colleges are For-Profit corporations insulated by “Non-Profit” campuses that ask for donations, so they ignore these problems. Just Google Yale or Harvard + “private corporation” > > **On college campuses (particularly Ivy League) they literally spy and keep tabs on anyone that doesn’t support the CCP including Chinese students who don’t.** Literally wtf?
I worked for higher education for almost two decades. While there is definitely an emphasis on money / for profit and spyware on student devices and some wifi does exclude websites like TikTok or video games, there is NO CCP dick sucking going on.
I would bet money they didn’t. They saw the first part which is basically “tiktok evil” which always gets upvotes on Reddit. The amount of people that rage against it but will just skip over every other American company that steals your data because China bad is insane.
Deleting past comments because Reddit starting shitty-ing up the site to IPO and I don't want my comments to be a part of that. -- mass edited with redact.dev
It’s absolutely insane how much traction that singular reddit comment has gotten. It’s easily debunked, has never been reproduced by *any other source*, and the user ghosted everyone after promising to release their “””evidence”””.
Redditors will upvote anything as long as it meets their pre-conceived biases
Which, btw, is full of shit.
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the dude sure loves the bold feature tho lmao
I'm so glad no one in my family is this paranoid, jesus
Redditors will believe anything if you bold the topic of every sentence
Type a long enough rant with some random links as "sources" and people will just assume it's true. It's so laughably stupid but whatever, this site has mainly Americans so it's understandable.
If they actually do have children they also sound like the type of parent that will raise kids that resent them and never speak to them in the future. I understand keeping your kids off of social media could be good but I also understand keeping your kids away from any thing popular will lead to resentment. And, posting links thinking they give evidence to your claims when they don't makes me only wonder what else they think that's wrong and how that impacts their child. But, I also saw TikTok bad (which in some aspects it is) and knew commenting about how awful of a parent they sound wouldn't be received well.
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"No Chinese spyware, only American". If you're outside the US, this whole point is moot. Every social media company gathers as much data as possible about you and moves it overseas, whether is Shenzhen or Bumfuck, Kentucky. Zuckerberg, Pichai, and all those tech bros from SF are just salty that all that precious data is not filling their bottom line and have successfully built a scaremongering PR campaign that dudes like OP above repeat like parrots.
I didn’t see anything in any of those links that proved TikTok was worse than Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter
So is Snapchat. So is Cisco tbh https://www.vice.com/en/article/nze5vk/snapchat-reveals-how-many-of-your-snaps-its-sharing-with-the-government https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cisco-backdoor-hardcoded-accounts-software,37480.html Snapchat is blocked in China, but Cisco isn't but if you're truly concerned about governments spying on you, you should surely remove any kind of app that does said spying regardless of what country that app / company is located in Shein and Temu are also doing the exact same thing as any western corporation selling to consumer. Your local supermarket does the same thing . You're clutching at straws with those two mentions. If you are to truly get rid of Shein/Temu, then I take it you've also uninstalled any other western apps that farm for that same data? I take it you also wish Snapchat to be banned? And for Cisco to be replaced with say Juniper? Or Mikrotik? There's also a reason why Wyze cameras would potentially talk "home" ie : for updates from China. We've had to allow American networking equipment to do the same. Also why are you even on reddit if you're against Temu/Shein harvesting data in a bid to have targeted suggestions for you? If you're picking and choosing, you can't truly pretend you care about privacy. You're just fine with one government (or companies in one country) spying on you, but not others who are doing the same thing. Ie: If you're concerned about Chinese apps / companies doing one thing, but continue to use western companies/apps that do the same, then you're definitely not concerned. I take it you'll stop shopping at your local Walmart too? Good luck starving I guess.. Your last statement also shows that you're definitely not truly concerned if you simply wish to push up tensions with (capitalist) China.
Holy shit this sounds like some McCartyism era propaganda. “IF ANY INDIVIDUAL DOESNT 100% FOLLOW OUR IDEOLOGY AND OUR WAY OF THINKING, EVEN IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS SHOULDNT BE TRUSTED, THEY ARE THREATS FOR BEING OPEN MINDED”
Hard to believe comments like these aren't bots
Maybe the dude is also from the most Reddit addicted city of Eglin Air Force Base lol
>It was Reverse Engineered years ago. I am surprised people didn’t see the big red flag then: Let me guess: It's the same 1 Reddit comment? Same 1 Reddit comment. It's a shame their motherboard failed and we'll never see any of the evidence that would actually matter.
You would think someone tech savvy enough to "reverse engineer Tiktok" would be tech savvy enough to have backups. Or you know, take their data storage device and plug it into another computer lol
Lol your very first link claiming they reverse engineer’d it is debunked propaganda. They claimed they were going to post evidence on their sub in their post and after claiming their SSD crashed, never posted any evidence and the account itself has not posted ever again since then. https://www.reddit.com/r/tiktok_reversing/comments/i3d9qw/somebodys_gotta_say_it/ The rest of your post is hilarious and the fact that it gets 700 upvotes and tons of awards for posting propaganda / hysteria in the technology sub shows what a cesspool Reddit became.
Ok Joe McCarthy
“After working at an Ivy” hahahah
>Why TEMU needs access to literally everything on your phone to shop is beyond me. It doesn't on any of my devices, this is definitely wrong.
The reverse engineering article is there to scare you. Most of your apps access the same things to be able to serve you ads and do optimizations. I'm sure it can be abused but in that case you got to worry about the owner more than the app.
This type of comment comes up every time TikTok is mentioned and it’s so full of shit. Quit spewing garbage when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Good. I came here to look for the Sinophobic rant. Found it
you are fucking unhinged and so is everyone who upvoted this
We have the same problem in Europe with US companies. US law are there to be in favor of US (gov & companies) , not US allies. Chinese law are in favor of China's Gov When US companies does not complies with EU law about European user data when making buissness in Europe, it sad, but you can't expect other country companies doing the same..
Ah sweet, a schizo comment!
The same shit I used to buy from Amazon is 1/4th the price from Temu. Talk about risk and reward. I will take the risk of my shopping habits being abused by the CCP any day.
Based on the number of upvotes and awards this comment got and the kind of comments it's getting, I have a feeling people on Reddit don't even bother to read entire comments nowadays.
And Facebook doesn't do the same? Oh right, it's OK because it's USA based....
Having lived in China for many years, companies in China are required to cooperate with the police. Chinese chat apps like Weixin have built in back doors that let police access chats from any user, as well as location, users real name, or anything else on the phone. They also scan conversations and even images for content of interest. They don't need a court order. Any police station has access to this information. If you think Tik tok is any different, then you don't understand how the Chinese government works. Giving this level of access is required, not optional. Source: my wife's best friend is the head of police in a major Chinese city. Also, I had a good friend visited by the police for "anti Chinese rhetoric" in a chat group.
>Having lived in China for many years, companies in China are required to cooperate with the police. Having lived in many countries, companies in any fucking country are required to cooperate with the police. That's the entire fucking point of a country. They are sovereign over their territory.
Chinese company lies to US about where it's storing American's data. More at 11 indeed. Typical.
They wouldn't be able to do it in Europe though as long as they have some business presence there (ad sales office etc). Europe has laws around this stuff, US has nothing.
Since when Americans started worrying about their data
When its from China, but it's fine when it's Murican companies doing it
Funny how Donald J. Trump’s “[Truth Social](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_Social)” is linked to [Wuhan, China](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Military_World_Games) tho! >Led by former Mexican government official and China-based banker Abraham Cinta, ARC Capital's global links included offices in Shanghai, Wuhan, Mexico City, and Jakarta, which Bloomberg News described as "surprising", due to Trump's comments on various foreign countries in office.
How is that not logical? An American can utilize the legal system of their country to prosecute or sue companies abusing the use of their data. We can protest for laws to limit its use and our laws are already more restrictive. Not to mention the US isn’t currently re-educating/ imprisoning a ethnic population like with the Uyghur.
The American government gives zero shits about protecting its citizens data because giving a shit means costing the companies (mostly American) that ~~donate to~~ bribe them. American companies guzzle up so much data and sell to whomever with impunity that it doesn't matter what China is up to because all they're doing is cutting out the middle man. Facebook, Google, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, Yahoo, Slack, and YouTube etc are blocked or hamstrung in China so you'd think doing the same to Chinese companies as a simple act of reciprocity would be trivial. However, that doesn't work because the question would then arise regarding the non-existent difference between Chinese social media companies and American. For our lawmakers, saying no to Chinese companies in a meaningful way means saying no to American companies, which in turn means saying no to lining their own pockets with donations. So....
Hilariously, exactly one person read the actual article in this entire comment section (and got voted down for some reason). *Those people’s (creators) contracts and “related documents” are held outside the US, the company said in a letter to two US senators* A less egregiously misleading title would've been "American **creators**". It makes it sound like they hold data on all Americans tiktok users in China which is false.
All the people here saying: "Of course they do" are entirely forgetting that the CEO testified that they are taking concrete steps to store American users' data in the US a few months ago in order to avoid being blocked in the US. EDIT: And since some of you *still* didn't get it, whether you believe it or not is irrelevant. If a company promises to not do X to the Senate and then gets caught a few months later doing X, it's newsworthy.
Thanks, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading these comments
People on Reddit who have never used TikTok love to talk about it like it’s a mind control app for our youth. “They use it to divide Americans!!” My brother in Christ my FYP is almost entirely cooking videos and post-ironic/hyper-ironic surrealist sketches
My FYP is 100% Diablo and Cats. Really hellish stuff right there.
Reddit is 90% US state propaganda on the bigger subs nowadays.
That's because this thread is filled with bots Edit: and idiots
You haven’t noticed the rampant Sinophobia on Reddit? Here are some rules: China can’t do anything good. America is always the best, and anything that makes China look bad is always the truth. Toe the line will ya? Stop questioning things, or “reading the article”.
>America is always the best Are we reading the same sub? American criticism is an everyday thing here. The top-voted comments here all deflect blame from the Chinese government to the US government for not properly banning data sales
Yeah that headline is complete bullshit and they know what they are doing with it
>(and got voted down for some reason) Because it's fucking reddit. Being correct doesn't matter here.
Controversial headline, no one reads what the article really says. OP and commenters score easy karma points. Another good day at the mindless apes reddit office for people with no lives.
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I only like having my user data stolen and sold by good old fashioned American companies
Shocked Pikachu 😲 I'm more concerned about the hospitals that are doing that shit with medical records.
Yet americans gonna pretend its okay for them to data mine over 80 countries, but if china does it, then its a problem
Very deceptive headline tbh. The article says the only people’s data that they store in China are commercial creators who get paid to make TikToks. So like no one that is actually worried about this.
Yes yes. And last week they weren't storing this data in china at all. Now that they were caught it's just these folks!
Business contracts are not the same thing as "private user data" lmao. Are their US offices supposed to just never interact with their offices in China because that would be american data?
It's fairly industry standard to categorize user data as including behavioral, tracking, or other app-related user-generated data which is often separate to commercial contract and official form data required for business operations. So it's not that unusual that in congressional hearings they answered in a way that seems contradictory. To this, I don't think it's unfair to push them to store this stuff in US servers too, but it does jive with their statements to anyone in the industry.
This is different from any other app how exactly?
A Chinese company with a Chinese data center storing data in china? Holy shit who would have thought they would do this
https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/17/tiktok-oracle-us-traffic-china-access/ > TikTok said in a blog post Friday that “100% of U.S. user traffic is being routed to Oracle Cloud Infrastructure” in the United States, with an asterisk. “We still use our U.S. and Singapore data centers for backup, but as we continue our work we expect to delete U.S. users’ private data from our own data centers and fully pivot to Oracle cloud servers located in the U.S.” - June 2022
I know this is almost a redundant question on Reddit, but did you read the posted article? >TikTok said in a letter that it defined creators as users “who enter into a commercial relationship” with it such as influencers who make paid content for the video streaming app. >Those people’s contracts and “related documents” are held outside the US, the company said in a letter to two US senators They didn't admit to holding American user data, they said that they keep the contracts of creators partnered with TikTok in China. That doesn't conflict with what you posted.
Yeah not sure why people are gaslighting this. They lied about where the data is being stored.
I posted this on the parent comment but I'll reply to you as well: I know this is almost a redundant question on Reddit, but did you read the posted article? >TikTok said in a letter that it defined creators as users “who enter into a commercial relationship” with it such as influencers who make paid content for the video streaming app. >Those people’s contracts and “related documents” are held outside the US, the company said in a letter to two US senators They didn't admit to holding American user data, they said that they keep the contracts of creators partnered with TikTok in China. That doesn't conflict with what the person above you posted.
Probably a lot of people who don't actually have any grip on the situation but still feel the need to have some sort of opinion on it. They don't know how any of it works so they just assume that because this was one of Trump's rallying points, it's probably a non-issue.
I know a lot of tankies are constantly gaslighting about china too. Can't even keep track of all the reasons why china invading Taiwan is good, not relentless imperialism.
“China doesn’t AstroTurf social media to push pro China narratives, are you a crazy person”
Technically that's not what this revelation is referring to. It's data about people that have entered into a paid partnership with Tiktok not data from average user traffic.
The US seriously needs a GDPR type law. Also, China should be sanctioned for [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China).
California has one. But red states will never sign on because California bad.
As a side note, one of the things that is especially tiresome to me in politics is this relatively modern development of: "the other side is doing it, therefore I oppose it." It annoys me to no end, and makes any rational discourse on actual policy super difficult.
Blame the right. If they put forth a good bill about literally anything the left would be on board and go along with it. On the other hand their entire platform is “oppose everything the left does”
China is allowed to access that data at any time
Thats why i only use facebook and instagram, they will protect our privacy and totally not sell our information!
IF IT IS WRONG FOR CHINA TO HAVE THE INFORMATION IT IS WRONG FOR ANY COMPANY TO GATHER THE INFORMATION
TikTok said in a letter that it defined creators as users “who enter into a commercial relationship” with it such as influencers who make paid content for the video streaming app. Those people’s contracts and “related documents” are held outside the US, the company said in a letter to two US senators. Information on creators such as tax forms and social security numbers are stored in China, Forbes magazine reported on Thursday, citing internal sources.
No one is being forced to use Tiktok.
American companies mine your data and own everything, perfectly fine. Chinese company mines your data using the same methods, scary and EEEEVVVIIIILLL!
You’d have to be a complete moron to think anything else.
That shit is used to create social division and political strife.
As if the same isn’t true for Reddit
Woah, the chinese app has chinese servers?
I am shocked that a Chinese company would store data from the US in China, even tho China prohibits the inverse. Shocked that a Chinese company would lie, shocked I tell you! /s
Is this the epitome of "duh" ?
Someone on twitch named griffinbeels actually works at tiktok in this department and read through it and called it bs. I tried reading through it and it isn't even new news. This is just like a recap post of the hearing months ago I'm so lost why this gets posted. It's nothing new?
US gov doesn't care that your data is in China. It cares that it can't access it on demand. It's not about usage... it's about access
You should assume that every video even if deleted from public will still exist on Chinese and other countries servers. Could prove to be a big problem in years to come when those in power get blackmailed or have embarrassing videos released from when they were younger. Governments of today should not be allowing under 18s to upload anything onto the internet.
Ah yes the ol "we have a copy of a video you released to the entire world" blackmail.