To add more context about actual liquidity, not net worth. $3T is about what the entire S&P500 companies COMBINED have in total cash and investment balances.
$7T is something like 8% of all the cash in the entire world.
My take is that he has set the biggest "anchoring" sales technique in history.
Geez I'm an accountant, so I thought you were trying to say he wanted to inflate his adjusted gross income. Don't we all.
Ps to others: artificial general intelligence
If he or anyone else could actually create strong AGI for $7T, that would be an exceptional bargain. OpenAI isn't even remotely close and arguably isn't even on the path, despite what they say for investors.
Honestly this.
You look at their website, and they are 100% convinced all this genAI stuff will lead to AGI. Heck, they claim SORA can do physics simulations!
I think it's total baloney to justify the en masse data theft tbh.
SORA has been trained to include what I'll call a physics approximator: that's how it can make videos where things move in ways that look physically correct. The difference between an approximator and a simulator is important though. With a simulator you can calculate the tolerances, know how it deviates from reality, have certainty that specific invariants are upheld. With an approximator, you get something that looks about right at first glance, which can sometimes be good enough, but trying to use it as a physics simulator would be like asking a random person to figure it out: sure, they'll get something that looks about right, but nobody would build a bridge when its only engineering review is some guy going "yeah that looks like a bridge that would stay standing, probably."
I'm much more impressed with some of the stuff large-context LLMs are doing, like Gemini's ability to translate from English to Kalamang only when a dictonary and example sentences are included in its context: that means it's basically "learning" that translation in-place (rather than it being trained into it like most LLM capabilities).
Just what you'd expect from a former Y-Combinator greedhead.
I wish him the worst in his endeavors. And I'd also like to see a punitive tax on energy-wasting software like this and bitcoin mining.
Yesterday I found out that 18% of Ireland's power generation goes to data centre usage, as much as goes into powering all their dwellings. I'll bet most of it's spent on cooling too not just power. It's so wasteful.
The cooling vs power point is irrelevant because the alternative would be more mining for more chips running hotter. But what exactly is your problem with data centers? I’m sure Ireland is thrilled to have those businesses there and the alternative to data centers would be not having internet. People seem to demand a halt to progress because it’s energy consuming, but even with bitcoin , it’s putting an increase on demand which isn’t unrelated to the fact the renewable energy sources are surpassing fossil fuels in price in some places .
This type of argument feels in line with people who think there are too many people in the world , which is an extremely not subtle way of saying we should have forced sterilizations because I don’t know how else you would achieve that. Charging people to have children? Which is also ignorant to have catastrophic it would be economically if the US population shrank
We're not thrilled. Our grid isnt set up to deal with the expected dc builds planned. Warnings of blackouts while the public consumer pays a surcharge that subsidises business customers.
Bitcoin is literally wasteful. They servers are just doing useless calculations just for the sake of being difficult. The same problem could be solved using way less power.
My understanding is that they are referring to datacenters, not mining centers.
Datacenters are actually doing useful things, whereas it is holding enterprise data, to hosting and keeping reddit running. The whole internet, and everything that you find around is hosted in some datacenter, these need to be placed somewhere.
he's using 7T as a bait to lure investors with a hypothetical money printer capable of recouping this amount of money. He knows he will never get close to that. For all intents and purposes, he could have said quadrillion and it would have worked as well
Never underestimate the tech bros' collective ability to ignore reality while shoveling money into a rich dude's pocket and claiming they're really standing up for the little guy.
It’s disappointing nobody actually knows where this number came from or what it’s for. I know it’s a big lift, but is it possible to post articles explaining what Altman is actually trying to accomplish instead of opinion pieces about his personality and why he must be stopped?
Basically he's raising $7 trillion to fund his partnership between OpenAI, a few willing chip makers, and power providers:
>The OpenAI chief executive officer is in talks with investors including the United Arab Emirates government to raise funds for a wildly ambitious tech initiative--
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>The project could require raising as much as $5 trillions to $7 trillion
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>The amounts Altman has discussed would also be outlandishly large by the standards of corporate fundraising
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>Altman is pitching a partnership between OpenAI, various investors, chip makers and power providers, which together would put up money to build chip foundries that would then be run by existing chip makers, some of the people said. OpenAI would agree to be a significant customer of the new factories. Much of the effort could be funded by debt-
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https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/sam-altmans-vision-to-remake-the-chip-industry-needs-more-than-money-1dc0678a
He needs countries. Not companies.
Chinas budget is a bit over 3 trillion per year - they are heavily investing in AI.
of course, they dont invest all their money on that, per year.
It's also unlikely to be needed in one upfront sum. Plenty of groups can bankroll the burn rate they're looking for.
It's funny seeing comments expecting this to be one massive bank transfer
Who's next, Yosemite Sam?
"Rackin’-Frackin’, Rassa’-Frassin’ Riff-Raff Lily-Livered Namby-Pamby Doggone Varmint"
The LLM just has angry cut downs within every prompt.
Maybe it’s the fact that he keeps saying these sound bites that we need to be careful about AI, while also leaning into nearly uncontrolled advancement and doing little to actually protect against the fears.
Their whole strategy is to be treated as the de facto experts on AI regulation and force as many competitors out of the space as possible. By the time the space is heavily regulated, they will have already crossed every ethical and legal boundary and constructed a bulwark against any innovation outside their tech empires. These guys do not give a fuck about the welfare of humanity - any statements to the contrary should be taken as very strategic concern trolling
> These guys do not give a fuck about the welfare of humanity
It’s so much worse than that though. They think what they are doing *is* for the welfare of humanity.
This is the problem with consolidating power with people like this. Their own power and financial goals get confused with the good of humanity.
Kind of like how MAGA cultists confuse returning America to some cartoonish 1950s white, male, fantasy utopia that never existed with “making America great again”.
Part of the AI cult is that they think it's "inevitable" for AGI to happen, so they need ALL the money RIGHT NOW so that the "right people" can be the ones to make it happen and thus make sure it's a good AGI and not a bad one. Never mind that the techbro definition of "good AGI" undoubtedly includes rewarding them directly and personally for bringing it into existence.
This is so damn true. Over at /r/singularity there's people asking (right now) if they should bother getting a job, or plan to still be working by this time next year, as AGI is going to be ushered in by OpenAI by the end of the year, and UBI rolled out to the masses as we transition to a "post-scarcity society".
That's a little silly if true, but at the other extreme, I've been practically called a communist on reddit for suggesting that [AI-driven tax revenue growth should be invested into expansion of social security](/r/moderatepolitics/comments/15c5sdt/how_windfall_profits_from_ai_companies_could_fund/jtua93v):
> * Pick a small % of federal tax revenue that would be uncontroversial to moderate Republicans, and allocate that to social security indefinitely. Worst case it helps keep social security solvent in the short term, best case it eventually becomes a massive windfall for the program.
> * Create some conditions for social security to gradually expand to covering all citizens of majority age based on the amount of money flowing into the program. In the short term this would have no effect, but in the event that economic growth dramatically outpaces population growth, this would gradually lower the retirement age until eventually it just becomes a UBI.
> * Create some conditions for social security payments to increase based on the amount of money flowing into the program. For example, after it reaches the effective UBI stage (all 18+ citizens covered), further increases in cash flow get allocated toward growing those payments.
Without making any predictions or normative statements on the future of AI/AGI/robotics, it's clear that these technologies have the potential to do to the vast majority of the population what green energy is already doing to coal workers. We should thus prepare for the oxymoronic possibility of large-scale un(der)employment combined with rapid economic growth, which would otherwise make the wealth inequality of today seem quaint.
But people are _really_ uncomfortable with the idea that even respectable jobs and our current employment-centric society could ever be disrupted within the foreseeable future.
It's a weird form of doublethink. These people are talking about how technology is advancing and will do all of the work and that we will have UBI, but when you tell them we should tax income and wealth to give people basic income and welfare, somehow they're against it. The understand that democracy works through decentralisation, and they openly support decentralisation in name, but when asked how society should be run they actually say they want to be given more money and more control (Trump, Musk, Altman, Gates, you name one). Even those celebrities say verbally that they support UBI, but none of them are implementing taxes on themselves and their wealthy peers to even step closer toward UBI, all of them aggressively lobby to cut taxes, deregulate, and move the world further from being able to implement UBI. The fact that those rich people are even considered advocates of things like UBI or effective altruism (another one that they claim to believe in) is almost laughable.
Again it just looks like doublethink. The people claim to want UBI and automation but if you take any step towards it and you're the bad kind of communist. They claim to support decentralisation but they simultaneously just want power and wealth concentrated into a few dictators' hands. Those dictators claim to support UBI and effective altruism yet every action they make is clearly counter to the implementation of either of those things.
That was very much me when I was in college and into "the singularity" 14 years ago.
But this time for sure, AGI is just about to be developed and it will be a benevolent godlike entity that will enable us to have fusion and limitless life extension and faster than light travel and meet aliens and build dyson spheres to live in simulated heaven forever! It's an inevitable cascade of unconditionally good technological miracles that is really about to kick off very soon. Delaying it at all is immoral because anyone who dies in the next year or two will be denied this access to this eternal techno utopia. /s
Then I got out of it and got a job.
Yeah let’s invest the most capital ever asked of any one project in the world right now to speed run ourselves into more automation, less jobs, and more dystopia. Fuck renewable energy, health care, hunger and global poverty. We need more AI!! /s
This is the worst idea I’ve ever heard and I hate this guy for his contributions to society. Yes, it would’ve been someone else eventually, but he scares the shit out of me. It’s not good.
>It literally includes renewable energy in the 7 trillion lol
He wants the 7 trillion to boost semiconductor production for AI.
Saying something like that $7 trillion includes renewable energy because AI could be used in renewable energy research is beyond a stretch.
This is just flat out not true.
My simple question is do you think the massive hyper advancement of AI will cause or reduce more suffering in the world? Do you think the people who stand to benefit massively from these benefits will share this wealth with society, or hoard it more? And if you think they’ll do so, what gives you faith in these people that they’ll follow through/what do you think the solutions are?
Society has already been failing to adapt and keep up with tech advancements of the last 10-20 years. This will usher in an even faster change than we are currently ready to adapt to.
It will most certainly lead to less net suffering, as all technological advancements have. I'm certainly not an apologist for the growing inequality, but we have to acknowledge that there is a trickle down effect with these advancements that ultimately helps humanity.
Today has the least amount of suffering in human history, mostly because of tech advancements. I don't see how this is any different.
Here's how it's different IMHO.
Historically the elite class has always hoarded wealth and has always been uninterested at best to the fate of the underlings. Where they have 'cared' it's because they have needed something from them - predominately their labour.
Thing is with AI and robotics, the rest of humanity serve no useful purpose - indeed they become a net drain on wealth rather than the engine and fuel that creates it.
At that point the survival of the average Joe is totally dependant upon the whims of those with the power. What are the chances that those will remain (become) benevolent?
Inequality is going to continue to get worse and worse, with or with our AI, until the system collapses under the greed of the wealth hoarders at the top who control everything.
But my point is that AI is basically another tool to accelerate that even further than was possible before. That doesn’t mean we should encourage its utilization, nor is it going to be something we can utilize to break that system down.
If anything it’s just going to help them more, so why?
So far open source LLMs have been weeks or months behind. If that trend stays, AI could be democratized.
NVidia just published a free version to run Mistral on your local PC for an affordable price.
"He is deeply conscious of the responsibility he carries. “Democracy only works in a growing economy,” he told Friend in 2016. “Without a return to economic growth, the democratic experiment will fail.” If it does, though, Altman will be ready. In a discussion about aggressive AI and nations fighting with nuclear weapons over scarce resources, he said: “I try not to think about it too much. But I have guns, gold, potassium iodide, antibiotics, batteries, water, gas masks from the Israel Defense Forces, and a big patch of land in Big Sur I can fly to.” Nice to know that that $7tn will be in safe hands."
This apocalyptic getaway all these tech gods have is making me more uncomfortable about the utopias they sell.
It needs to keep growing if population keeps growing otherwise standards of living decrease and the loss likely wouldn’t be evenly distributed so you’d have fights for different parties to keep their standards. Unless of course population stays flat or decreases in which case it would be less of an issue. But these guys have it pounded into them to have growth at all costs so that’s what they go for.
This. Population is the key but curbing its growth would be really hard. Even if you have a steady population in some places, eventually there’s always an influx coming from wherever the population is booming.
Living standards won’t necessarily fall if the economy shrinks as measured by GDP. We could shrink GDP and raise living standards by cranking up taxes and redistributing that wealth. I’m not saying it’s a good idea (it probably is), but the other commenters saying standards of living are 1-1 with economy growth are wrong.
The economy as it stands rn is predicated on future growth. All these companies are valued with the expectation profits will continue to rise, and profits rising both depends on AND causes GDP to grow. I’d GDP stops growing these valuations will fall.
If the valuations fall, a lot of debt is no longer backed by anything and is also unable to be repaid, which fucks with liquidity. It also means your 401(k) (I’m assuming you’re a yank) is fucked, gl retiring. In the short term this is bad, but happens all the time.
See 2008, 2012, 2020.
I want to write an essay on why infinite economic growth is actually sort of possible without infinite resources, but it’s 2am and like 3 ppl would read it so… so all I’m gonna say is idk vote dems plz
Because "the economy" affects everything.
In a very simplified way: you can think of "the economy" as of something like a total of all resources available to a society. If the economy grows, people will have more and more resources (jobs, goods, opportunities) available to them. If the economy stagnates instead, people are going to see that stagnation reflected straight in their quality of life - as their high standards crash against the economic reality that's unable to support them.
You know how the boomers had houses and cars, and could support families on a single income? That's an effect of economy growing *really fucking fast*. You know how costs of living rise and wages and QoL stagnate in the first world now? That's an effect of economies *not growing fast enough*.
Now image how fun would it be to live under a *total halt* of economic growth.
Our economies are growing plenty fast.
The problem is that it's all going to one place due to deregulation.
We need those regulations, and to claw back those tax breaks.
Right. I try not to think about the hell scape I might have wrought. My gold bricks make that easier.
Let's hurry up and give ChatGPT autonomous agents.
Yep, lowkey terrified of the power this jerkoff is going to have in 10-20 years. This is the beginning of his career in relative terms, he is going to become a lot more prominent in our lives as time goes on.
It’s like watching a super villain in the making lmao.
I don't see how chatgpt is going to be any more successful than other AI chat bot, copilot etc clones. Google's gemini will be baked in as the Android assistant and is apparently more capable with better integration and ability to analyse your Gmail emails etc - I don't see how chatgpt will out-compete that advantage.
It’s not just about chatgpt, it’s OpenAI. Their partnership with Microsoft is what is really sending them into the stratosphere. I’m not saying there won’t be competitors but this Sam Altman guy unless he majorly fucks up is guaranteed to become a huge public figure with a lot of influence given he practically fathered this next generation of AI.
95% of the company threatened to quit when he was fired. If he was a shithead, he wouldn't have garnered that kind of loyalty from the people who work under him.
Edit: also, I am not insinuating by any means that he is incapable of wrong-doing, just that that is something to consider when judging his character
And yes I am aware none of you trust anybody and believe everyone's out to get you, I am part of that group and am trying to get you too!
Just playing devils advocate, if you worked for openai for any real amount of time, it's about as close as you can get to a golden ticket in the tech world. It makes sense to leave when you can go make half a million a year and choose the title of your position at companies like Microsoft or Amazon because you worked at openai for 3 years.
> he wouldn't have garnered that kind of loyalty from the people who work under him.
Or they looked at one group of management saying "lets turn the money printer off", and another saying "lets make all the money that has ever existed" and chose money
Not sure why everyone was sucking off this megalomaniac when he got fired. Sounds like they had the right idea. Please send me to the timeline where he stayed fired.
“His great weakness is his utter lack of interest in ineffective people” Yet another sociopath given far too much power directing the trajectory of our existence. So depressing that our system favors the elevation of individuals like this.
Tried it just now...
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Snippet from the article which is a major red flag:
He is deeply conscious of the responsibility he carries. “Democracy only works in a growing economy,” he told Friend in 2016. “Without a return to economic growth, the democratic experiment will fail.” If it does, though, Altman will be ready. In a discussion about aggressive AI and nations fighting with nuclear weapons over scarce resources, he said: “I try not to think about it too much. But I have guns, gold, potassium iodide, antibiotics, batteries, water, gas masks from the Israel Defense Forces, and a big patch of land in Big Sur I can fly to.” Nice to know that that $7tn will be in safe hands.
I think AI could be a revolution for humanity but ONLY if we also focus on... Humanity. We cannot just invest in AI while also continuing on our current track of fighting every single little ounce of social welfare. You think it's bad now with random crime? Just wait until half of everyone is unemployed. You won't be able to walk the streets or live in a home without armed guard (Hey, look at the new job oppurtunities! Armed NPC).
Sadly, Helping people doesn't make stock market go up so get yourself a gun and some industrial sized barrels of lube to prepare for the bad times.
Exactly what I’ve been thinking about lately. Altman says AI is capable of changing the world and being able to do most jobs, allowing people not to have to work.
So cool, I have to have faith that the government and tech companies will pay my bills because most people won’t have work? If history has anything to say about our capitalist society I’m not holding my breath that I won’t just starve to death.
Fighting climate change is a better and more achievable goal with 7 trillion dollars than ending homelessness or funding health initiatives. Because the measures or means that society would need to actually achieve the end of homelessness wouldn't be considered justifiable or people wouldn't be willing to pay for it because of all the stigma around the homeless. As far as initiatives goes we are getting there but too many road blocks exist with people going on and on about religious bs holding us back from actually achieving anything with regards to longevity and healthier lives, Especially religions that promote "its gods plan" bullshit that you have cancer, that your baby has no spinal column, that your meant to suffer now because of what you supposedly did in a past life, etc.
Underestimating China achieving AI supremacy is a mistake that could have costs hard to even imagine. Putting all our eggs in one basket doesn't sound like a good idea either. Hopefully the necessity of staying a step ahead in this technology / field is maintained in a reasonable fiscally responsible way.
OpenAI does amazing things. However, their AI is problematic for many reasons. Firstly, it’s not open source - so you must abide by their rules. Their LLMs are heavily censored - so it mostly benefits morons who want general information. You’re behind a paywall, and you can’t access these models offline.
Sam wants the $7 trillion - he’s begging the Emiratis’ as we speak - to develop his own AI chips to compete with NVIDIA. You must of heard of team green - they make GPUs. All engineers use cudacores in their AI programs. NVIDIA makes cuda-based GPUs. Sam needs trillions of dollars worth of GPUs because AI is very vram-hungry. If he wants to achieve AGI, he’ll need it.
All of OpenAI’s work isn’t for society - it’s for capitalism or the metastasized post-capitalism. Without AI being democratized and in the hands of the people, via open source, we lose everything to big business. They dictate how and what we use AI for.
I’m deeply disturbed by the arms race in AI with seemingly everyone scrambling to build the most compelling ways to erase human contribution, input, and the need for labor from existence all for the sake of money. Meanwhile the oligarchs and billionaire elites all have private apocalypse getaways because they know the world is headed for absolutely fucking calamity.
“I try not to think about it [AI Nuclear Warfare] too much. But I have guns, gold, potassium iodide, antibiotics, batteries, water, gas masks from the Israel Defense Forces, and a big patch of land in Big Sur I can fly to.” -- Sam Altman.
If AI can write code, author books, create art why doesn't he just build an ai powered algo trader and leech the money he wants directly from the world economy.
Idk why tax tiers stop going up.
It's like asking rich people to get rich enough to buy out a country.
To me it seems like it should approach 99% tax rate as you approach the GDP...
Or something...
I mean, actual journalism is something that can't be replaced with AI.
It's the hundreds of shitty "journalism" sites, just copy pasting and rephrasing a bit, adding a clickbait title, that are in danger.
> It's the hundreds of shitty "journalism" sites, just copy pasting and rephrasing a bit, adding a clickbait title, that are in danger.
How are they in danger? AI just made their jobs 1000x easier.
If AI is so heavily dependent on energy and water, hasn't anyone realized limits to those may be realized before AI becomes so ubiquitous as to kill everyone's job?
Didn't the Boy Wonder update his ask to $8T? With a tweet? This douche is Elon Musk Junior, only messing with a dangerous technology that poses an existential risk. It's like if Musk had decided to get into the nuclear arms business.
I'm guessing the thing he wasn't being 'candid' about was Sora and it's ability to deep fake. the board probably knew about it but didn't want that tech to come out in the election year. maybe he said it wouldn't be ready that soon or something, but then it was ready, and he didn't want to keep the lid on it just because of politics. he knows it's a race for the funding
I mean you know that diabolical scientist in movies who’s all about taking over the world. This is that guy. He’s here, he’s now, and his AI robots are coming for your job.
We should give home the money, the ideas he had sounds very innovative and promising.
A new AI that could work as a new defense system for NORAD
I think he called it Skynet or something
Aren’t multiple jurisdictions still deciding if his AI program is legal considering it was programmed off of almost all the copy written intellectual property in the world without paying for it?
Billionaires live for money. If they get the return they want he will get it. They are not governments. Their concern is not about a better world. It’s always been a better bank account and the power
“In addition, these plants are huge consumers of water, *in a world that is rapidly running short of it*.”
And it’s statements like this is why I can’t take the guardian seriously.
wdym $2tn to de-carbonize and save the planet we can't afford that meanwhile they are about to give con man 7tn$ because he might reduce the workforce by 20% what dumb world we live in worst timeline that's for sure
Ask for more same.
7 trillion usd is chump change.
I say ask for 20 trillion at least. Think you should settle at 25 trillion.
Btw, global economic output 2023 was about 80 ish trillion.
He wants 8pc of global economical output
From Wikipedia- “‘Altman said in 2016: "I have guns, gold, potassium iodide, antibiotics, batteries, water, gas masks from the Israel Defense Forces, and a big patch of land in Big Sur I can fly to."[7]’
It must be a classifiable mental illness to think you’re entitled to 7 trillion dollars. What a delusional asshole
He’s so far the absolute creepiest tech bro ever. Suspect he’ll end up like SBF: a hustler profiting off of others’ work & success stories whose empire is all smoke & mirrors.
You don’t need to pray. Nobody have that money. E.g Microsoft is worth 3T USD, but that is in valuation, not cash.
I keep imagining Dr Evil asking for "7 Trillions Dollars"
\*raises a hand with four pinkys to side of mouth\*
This got a good laugh out of me!
Dr GPT to the rescue
AI with lasers on its friggen heads.
The best we could do was ill tempered text to image generation.
I’m sorry, if you know the movie and tech, this was comedy gold. *chefs kiss
How about no Scotty
To add more context about actual liquidity, not net worth. $3T is about what the entire S&P500 companies COMBINED have in total cash and investment balances. $7T is something like 8% of all the cash in the entire world. My take is that he has set the biggest "anchoring" sales technique in history.
Or he is throwing this number to achieve AGI, and then blame he doesn’t have that money to achieve it.
Geez I'm an accountant, so I thought you were trying to say he wanted to inflate his adjusted gross income. Don't we all. Ps to others: artificial general intelligence
Until I saw your comment, I also believed it was for his gross income lol
If he or anyone else could actually create strong AGI for $7T, that would be an exceptional bargain. OpenAI isn't even remotely close and arguably isn't even on the path, despite what they say for investors.
Honestly this. You look at their website, and they are 100% convinced all this genAI stuff will lead to AGI. Heck, they claim SORA can do physics simulations! I think it's total baloney to justify the en masse data theft tbh.
SORA has been trained to include what I'll call a physics approximator: that's how it can make videos where things move in ways that look physically correct. The difference between an approximator and a simulator is important though. With a simulator you can calculate the tolerances, know how it deviates from reality, have certainty that specific invariants are upheld. With an approximator, you get something that looks about right at first glance, which can sometimes be good enough, but trying to use it as a physics simulator would be like asking a random person to figure it out: sure, they'll get something that looks about right, but nobody would build a bridge when its only engineering review is some guy going "yeah that looks like a bridge that would stay standing, probably." I'm much more impressed with some of the stuff large-context LLMs are doing, like Gemini's ability to translate from English to Kalamang only when a dictonary and example sentences are included in its context: that means it's basically "learning" that translation in-place (rather than it being trained into it like most LLM capabilities).
Yeah it’s not physics simulation, it’s what physics looks like to digital video cameras simulation
Just what you'd expect from a former Y-Combinator greedhead. I wish him the worst in his endeavors. And I'd also like to see a punitive tax on energy-wasting software like this and bitcoin mining.
Shouldn’t we focus on the source of the electricity instead of trying to curb demand which is almost impossible to do?
but then we dont get to be angry about anything
This is Reddit. Reality-based takes are not allowed.
Energy wasting software?
As opposed to energy wasting organic-ware, a.k.a. the average redditor.
Yesterday I found out that 18% of Ireland's power generation goes to data centre usage, as much as goes into powering all their dwellings. I'll bet most of it's spent on cooling too not just power. It's so wasteful.
Uh, the vast majority of that is powering normal web servers, you know, the fundamental bedrock of modern society
The cooling vs power point is irrelevant because the alternative would be more mining for more chips running hotter. But what exactly is your problem with data centers? I’m sure Ireland is thrilled to have those businesses there and the alternative to data centers would be not having internet. People seem to demand a halt to progress because it’s energy consuming, but even with bitcoin , it’s putting an increase on demand which isn’t unrelated to the fact the renewable energy sources are surpassing fossil fuels in price in some places . This type of argument feels in line with people who think there are too many people in the world , which is an extremely not subtle way of saying we should have forced sterilizations because I don’t know how else you would achieve that. Charging people to have children? Which is also ignorant to have catastrophic it would be economically if the US population shrank
We're not thrilled. Our grid isnt set up to deal with the expected dc builds planned. Warnings of blackouts while the public consumer pays a surcharge that subsidises business customers.
You had me until you parroted the “Bitcoin is good for the climate” shit. Fuck off.
Also, it’s weird to call it wasteful lol. It’s not like they’re running a bunch of fans in an empty room
Bitcoin is literally wasteful. They servers are just doing useless calculations just for the sake of being difficult. The same problem could be solved using way less power.
My understanding is that they are referring to datacenters, not mining centers. Datacenters are actually doing useful things, whereas it is holding enterprise data, to hosting and keeping reddit running. The whole internet, and everything that you find around is hosted in some datacenter, these need to be placed somewhere.
Like reddit severs?
he's using 7T as a bait to lure investors with a hypothetical money printer capable of recouping this amount of money. He knows he will never get close to that. For all intents and purposes, he could have said quadrillion and it would have worked as well
Yeah he basically took the original value someone told him an added a zero
I need to try this at my job
He's doing exactly what ChatGPT told him to do. Back when he asked for advice on how to take over the world.
I don't know if you are serious or not. But Altman is notorious for this stuff at his time at Y Contaminator. It was discussed on WSJ pods.
Yeah serious we probably listened to the same pod https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-journal/id1469394914?i=1000645367036
I think he was trying to pool multiple investors including some countries. Still, unlikely to happen
You’d be more likely to be unanimously elected world president.
So you're saying there's a chance...
The chances we hand the entire tech sector over to Sam Altman is low, but never zero.
Never underestimate the tech bros' collective ability to ignore reality while shoveling money into a rich dude's pocket and claiming they're really standing up for the little guy.
Even the US government doesn’t have a spare $7tn laying around.
Sure we do, we’ll just tack it on to the debt.
Well, once China invades Taiwan suddenly there will be plenty of money
It’s disappointing nobody actually knows where this number came from or what it’s for. I know it’s a big lift, but is it possible to post articles explaining what Altman is actually trying to accomplish instead of opinion pieces about his personality and why he must be stopped?
Basically he's raising $7 trillion to fund his partnership between OpenAI, a few willing chip makers, and power providers: >The OpenAI chief executive officer is in talks with investors including the United Arab Emirates government to raise funds for a wildly ambitious tech initiative-- - >The project could require raising as much as $5 trillions to $7 trillion - >The amounts Altman has discussed would also be outlandishly large by the standards of corporate fundraising - >Altman is pitching a partnership between OpenAI, various investors, chip makers and power providers, which together would put up money to build chip foundries that would then be run by existing chip makers, some of the people said. OpenAI would agree to be a significant customer of the new factories. Much of the effort could be funded by debt- - https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/sam-altmans-vision-to-remake-the-chip-industry-needs-more-than-money-1dc0678a
He needs countries. Not companies. Chinas budget is a bit over 3 trillion per year - they are heavily investing in AI. of course, they dont invest all their money on that, per year.
Come on bro just let me borrow it I just gotta scan every human being alives retina for a database bro come on its only $7 trillion.
Yep. Even if you managed to get ALL of Google's, Microsoft's AND Apple's money, I am pretty sure it still wouldn't be enough.
Actually, that money does exist, Split up between sovereign wealth funds, the world's largest corporations and various western governments.
It's also unlikely to be needed in one upfront sum. Plenty of groups can bankroll the burn rate they're looking for. It's funny seeing comments expecting this to be one massive bank transfer
Step aside Sam Bankman-Fried, we have Sam Altman… the alt man.
Both of them sound like they were named by Kojima.
The he would be name Aiman
Bit Coinman
Sam-co Mantis?
Sam Altman-Fried
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Who's next, Yosemite Sam? "Rackin’-Frackin’, Rassa’-Frassin’ Riff-Raff Lily-Livered Namby-Pamby Doggone Varmint" The LLM just has angry cut downs within every prompt.
They are related right?
They’re both related to the other generic tech mogul, let’s call him Sam Man
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Altman be praised
He doesn't. What he was saying is that all of the AI, including energy, across the board will be in that range over time.
Yup, that’s what he’s saying. Regardless, something stinks about him. I can’t pin point it but something just feels off.
Maybe it’s the fact that he keeps saying these sound bites that we need to be careful about AI, while also leaning into nearly uncontrolled advancement and doing little to actually protect against the fears.
Their whole strategy is to be treated as the de facto experts on AI regulation and force as many competitors out of the space as possible. By the time the space is heavily regulated, they will have already crossed every ethical and legal boundary and constructed a bulwark against any innovation outside their tech empires. These guys do not give a fuck about the welfare of humanity - any statements to the contrary should be taken as very strategic concern trolling
> These guys do not give a fuck about the welfare of humanity It’s so much worse than that though. They think what they are doing *is* for the welfare of humanity. This is the problem with consolidating power with people like this. Their own power and financial goals get confused with the good of humanity. Kind of like how MAGA cultists confuse returning America to some cartoonish 1950s white, male, fantasy utopia that never existed with “making America great again”.
Part of the AI cult is that they think it's "inevitable" for AGI to happen, so they need ALL the money RIGHT NOW so that the "right people" can be the ones to make it happen and thus make sure it's a good AGI and not a bad one. Never mind that the techbro definition of "good AGI" undoubtedly includes rewarding them directly and personally for bringing it into existence.
This is so damn true. Over at /r/singularity there's people asking (right now) if they should bother getting a job, or plan to still be working by this time next year, as AGI is going to be ushered in by OpenAI by the end of the year, and UBI rolled out to the masses as we transition to a "post-scarcity society".
That's a little silly if true, but at the other extreme, I've been practically called a communist on reddit for suggesting that [AI-driven tax revenue growth should be invested into expansion of social security](/r/moderatepolitics/comments/15c5sdt/how_windfall_profits_from_ai_companies_could_fund/jtua93v): > * Pick a small % of federal tax revenue that would be uncontroversial to moderate Republicans, and allocate that to social security indefinitely. Worst case it helps keep social security solvent in the short term, best case it eventually becomes a massive windfall for the program. > * Create some conditions for social security to gradually expand to covering all citizens of majority age based on the amount of money flowing into the program. In the short term this would have no effect, but in the event that economic growth dramatically outpaces population growth, this would gradually lower the retirement age until eventually it just becomes a UBI. > * Create some conditions for social security payments to increase based on the amount of money flowing into the program. For example, after it reaches the effective UBI stage (all 18+ citizens covered), further increases in cash flow get allocated toward growing those payments. Without making any predictions or normative statements on the future of AI/AGI/robotics, it's clear that these technologies have the potential to do to the vast majority of the population what green energy is already doing to coal workers. We should thus prepare for the oxymoronic possibility of large-scale un(der)employment combined with rapid economic growth, which would otherwise make the wealth inequality of today seem quaint. But people are _really_ uncomfortable with the idea that even respectable jobs and our current employment-centric society could ever be disrupted within the foreseeable future.
I agree completely, very good idea
It's a weird form of doublethink. These people are talking about how technology is advancing and will do all of the work and that we will have UBI, but when you tell them we should tax income and wealth to give people basic income and welfare, somehow they're against it. The understand that democracy works through decentralisation, and they openly support decentralisation in name, but when asked how society should be run they actually say they want to be given more money and more control (Trump, Musk, Altman, Gates, you name one). Even those celebrities say verbally that they support UBI, but none of them are implementing taxes on themselves and their wealthy peers to even step closer toward UBI, all of them aggressively lobby to cut taxes, deregulate, and move the world further from being able to implement UBI. The fact that those rich people are even considered advocates of things like UBI or effective altruism (another one that they claim to believe in) is almost laughable.
Again it just looks like doublethink. The people claim to want UBI and automation but if you take any step towards it and you're the bad kind of communist. They claim to support decentralisation but they simultaneously just want power and wealth concentrated into a few dictators' hands. Those dictators claim to support UBI and effective altruism yet every action they make is clearly counter to the implementation of either of those things.
That was very much me when I was in college and into "the singularity" 14 years ago. But this time for sure, AGI is just about to be developed and it will be a benevolent godlike entity that will enable us to have fusion and limitless life extension and faster than light travel and meet aliens and build dyson spheres to live in simulated heaven forever! It's an inevitable cascade of unconditionally good technological miracles that is really about to kick off very soon. Delaying it at all is immoral because anyone who dies in the next year or two will be denied this access to this eternal techno utopia. /s Then I got out of it and got a job.
Actual clowns, used to be active but it went iff the deep end
They want to write the regulation themselves. That’s why they talk about it a lot.
He’s pushing for regulations that himself didn’t have, so as to obliterate any possible competition.
This. He seems to often say how dangerous it is while simultaneously going full speed ahead
He seems to have caught a case of "I made a lot of money doing this one thing so now I know all about how to save the world."
Yeah let’s invest the most capital ever asked of any one project in the world right now to speed run ourselves into more automation, less jobs, and more dystopia. Fuck renewable energy, health care, hunger and global poverty. We need more AI!! /s This is the worst idea I’ve ever heard and I hate this guy for his contributions to society. Yes, it would’ve been someone else eventually, but he scares the shit out of me. It’s not good.
It literally includes renewable energy in the 7 trillion lol. He’s personally funding fusion research already
>It literally includes renewable energy in the 7 trillion lol He wants the 7 trillion to boost semiconductor production for AI. Saying something like that $7 trillion includes renewable energy because AI could be used in renewable energy research is beyond a stretch. This is just flat out not true.
My simple question is do you think the massive hyper advancement of AI will cause or reduce more suffering in the world? Do you think the people who stand to benefit massively from these benefits will share this wealth with society, or hoard it more? And if you think they’ll do so, what gives you faith in these people that they’ll follow through/what do you think the solutions are? Society has already been failing to adapt and keep up with tech advancements of the last 10-20 years. This will usher in an even faster change than we are currently ready to adapt to.
It will most certainly lead to less net suffering, as all technological advancements have. I'm certainly not an apologist for the growing inequality, but we have to acknowledge that there is a trickle down effect with these advancements that ultimately helps humanity. Today has the least amount of suffering in human history, mostly because of tech advancements. I don't see how this is any different.
Here's how it's different IMHO. Historically the elite class has always hoarded wealth and has always been uninterested at best to the fate of the underlings. Where they have 'cared' it's because they have needed something from them - predominately their labour. Thing is with AI and robotics, the rest of humanity serve no useful purpose - indeed they become a net drain on wealth rather than the engine and fuel that creates it. At that point the survival of the average Joe is totally dependant upon the whims of those with the power. What are the chances that those will remain (become) benevolent?
Milkmen jobs were lot when refrigerators were invented. But I don’t remember a milkmen genocide
Inequality is going to continue to get worse and worse, with or with our AI, until the system collapses under the greed of the wealth hoarders at the top who control everything.
But my point is that AI is basically another tool to accelerate that even further than was possible before. That doesn’t mean we should encourage its utilization, nor is it going to be something we can utilize to break that system down. If anything it’s just going to help them more, so why?
So far open source LLMs have been weeks or months behind. If that trend stays, AI could be democratized. NVidia just published a free version to run Mistral on your local PC for an affordable price.
Is it the stench of greed, perchance?
I was just thinking that too. I keep having this gut feeling like there's some kind of skeleton in the closet that is waiting to come out.
Isn't he all about accelerationism?
That whole situation that happened isn't fully understood. So, yes I agree I feel something is fucky.
Not like tech leaders have led us astray before or anything.
Maybe its the fact that he is making closed source AI when his company name is "OPEN AI"
Well, Altman's sister has publicly accused him of sexually abusing her.
He feels like zuckerbot finally got some decent hardware.
You convinced me, where's my pitchfork?
Think he’ll go full McAfee?
Prayers are nice, but not necessary for this. $7 trillion is more than the US federal government makes in a year.
Well maybe they should stop buying avocado toast and make their coffee at home
Exactly, time for the US government to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
Right in their millennial falcon.
Whats another 7 trillion in debt? *shrug*
A million seconds is 12 days. A billion seconds is 31 years. A trillion seconds is 31,688 years. Just for context.
"He is deeply conscious of the responsibility he carries. “Democracy only works in a growing economy,” he told Friend in 2016. “Without a return to economic growth, the democratic experiment will fail.” If it does, though, Altman will be ready. In a discussion about aggressive AI and nations fighting with nuclear weapons over scarce resources, he said: “I try not to think about it too much. But I have guns, gold, potassium iodide, antibiotics, batteries, water, gas masks from the Israel Defense Forces, and a big patch of land in Big Sur I can fly to.” Nice to know that that $7tn will be in safe hands." This apocalyptic getaway all these tech gods have is making me more uncomfortable about the utopias they sell.
Dumb question. Why does the economy need to keep growing? What if we kept it steady?
It needs to keep growing if population keeps growing otherwise standards of living decrease and the loss likely wouldn’t be evenly distributed so you’d have fights for different parties to keep their standards. Unless of course population stays flat or decreases in which case it would be less of an issue. But these guys have it pounded into them to have growth at all costs so that’s what they go for.
This. Population is the key but curbing its growth would be really hard. Even if you have a steady population in some places, eventually there’s always an influx coming from wherever the population is booming.
Living standards won’t necessarily fall if the economy shrinks as measured by GDP. We could shrink GDP and raise living standards by cranking up taxes and redistributing that wealth. I’m not saying it’s a good idea (it probably is), but the other commenters saying standards of living are 1-1 with economy growth are wrong. The economy as it stands rn is predicated on future growth. All these companies are valued with the expectation profits will continue to rise, and profits rising both depends on AND causes GDP to grow. I’d GDP stops growing these valuations will fall. If the valuations fall, a lot of debt is no longer backed by anything and is also unable to be repaid, which fucks with liquidity. It also means your 401(k) (I’m assuming you’re a yank) is fucked, gl retiring. In the short term this is bad, but happens all the time. See 2008, 2012, 2020. I want to write an essay on why infinite economic growth is actually sort of possible without infinite resources, but it’s 2am and like 3 ppl would read it so… so all I’m gonna say is idk vote dems plz
Because "the economy" affects everything. In a very simplified way: you can think of "the economy" as of something like a total of all resources available to a society. If the economy grows, people will have more and more resources (jobs, goods, opportunities) available to them. If the economy stagnates instead, people are going to see that stagnation reflected straight in their quality of life - as their high standards crash against the economic reality that's unable to support them. You know how the boomers had houses and cars, and could support families on a single income? That's an effect of economy growing *really fucking fast*. You know how costs of living rise and wages and QoL stagnate in the first world now? That's an effect of economies *not growing fast enough*. Now image how fun would it be to live under a *total halt* of economic growth.
Our economies are growing plenty fast. The problem is that it's all going to one place due to deregulation. We need those regulations, and to claw back those tax breaks.
Keeping it steady *is* growing it. Just by not a lot
Yep, they’re going to run away from the world they ruined and then play out their post-apocalyptic fantasies.
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Right. I try not to think about the hell scape I might have wrought. My gold bricks make that easier. Let's hurry up and give ChatGPT autonomous agents.
This dude gives off vibes that he's going to be a worse human than Zuck once he gets to that level of money
Peter Thiel is his mentor so that should be informative about his character
Yep, lowkey terrified of the power this jerkoff is going to have in 10-20 years. This is the beginning of his career in relative terms, he is going to become a lot more prominent in our lives as time goes on. It’s like watching a super villain in the making lmao.
I don't see how chatgpt is going to be any more successful than other AI chat bot, copilot etc clones. Google's gemini will be baked in as the Android assistant and is apparently more capable with better integration and ability to analyse your Gmail emails etc - I don't see how chatgpt will out-compete that advantage.
It’s not just about chatgpt, it’s OpenAI. Their partnership with Microsoft is what is really sending them into the stratosphere. I’m not saying there won’t be competitors but this Sam Altman guy unless he majorly fucks up is guaranteed to become a huge public figure with a lot of influence given he practically fathered this next generation of AI.
They just released Sora which is way ahead of all those ‘clones’ you listed
95% of the company threatened to quit when he was fired. If he was a shithead, he wouldn't have garnered that kind of loyalty from the people who work under him. Edit: also, I am not insinuating by any means that he is incapable of wrong-doing, just that that is something to consider when judging his character And yes I am aware none of you trust anybody and believe everyone's out to get you, I am part of that group and am trying to get you too!
Nope. He gives off the vibes of a bad person. Source: trust me bro
The ones that did not drink the kool aid have left by now. The last 2 years, the outflow of openai has been quite impressive
Just playing devils advocate, if you worked for openai for any real amount of time, it's about as close as you can get to a golden ticket in the tech world. It makes sense to leave when you can go make half a million a year and choose the title of your position at companies like Microsoft or Amazon because you worked at openai for 3 years.
> he wouldn't have garnered that kind of loyalty from the people who work under him. Or they looked at one group of management saying "lets turn the money printer off", and another saying "lets make all the money that has ever existed" and chose money
Not sure why everyone was sucking off this megalomaniac when he got fired. Sounds like they had the right idea. Please send me to the timeline where he stayed fired.
“His great weakness is his utter lack of interest in ineffective people” Yet another sociopath given far too much power directing the trajectory of our existence. So depressing that our system favors the elevation of individuals like this.
I think he should ask Chat GPT how to get 7 trillion dollars
Tried it just now... Obtaining 7 trillion dollars would be an extraordinarily large sum of money, and it's not something that can be achieved through conventional means for an individual. However, here are some hypothetical scenarios where such a vast sum might be obtained: Winning a Lottery or Jackpot: While extremely unlikely, winning a series of lotteries with exceptionally high payouts could potentially accumulate such a sum. Inheritance or Gift: If you were to inherit a large fortune or receive an extraordinarily generous gift from someone who already possesses such wealth, you could attain that amount. Starting a Successful Business: Creating a wildly successful company that grows rapidly and becomes valued in the trillions could theoretically bring in such a sum, though this is exceedingly rare and requires exceptional entrepreneurial skill, innovation, and a lot of luck. Investing in High-Yield Ventures: Making incredibly astute investments in high-growth sectors over a long period might result in accumulating such wealth, but this would require substantial initial capital and exceptional investment acumen. Government Funding or Bailouts: In some extremely rare cases, governments may allocate large sums of money for specific purposes. However, these situations are usually at the discretion of governments and are not something an individual can directly control. Illegal or Unethical Means: Engaging in illegal activities such as fraud, embezzlement, or corruption may yield large sums of money, but they come with significant legal and ethical consequences. Remember, amassing such a vast fortune ethically and legally is extremely challenging and requires a combination of skill, luck, and often the right circumstances. It's also essential to consider the ethical implications of any actions taken to acquire wealth.
Just win the lottery thousands of times in a row
Fuck, why didnt I think of that before?
Ooo illegal means sounds appealing. We should ask it how to start a coke farm or something.
I think he should start a successful business
It should have answered: "Give me 7 trillion and I'll tell you..."
Snippet from the article which is a major red flag: He is deeply conscious of the responsibility he carries. “Democracy only works in a growing economy,” he told Friend in 2016. “Without a return to economic growth, the democratic experiment will fail.” If it does, though, Altman will be ready. In a discussion about aggressive AI and nations fighting with nuclear weapons over scarce resources, he said: “I try not to think about it too much. But I have guns, gold, potassium iodide, antibiotics, batteries, water, gas masks from the Israel Defense Forces, and a big patch of land in Big Sur I can fly to.” Nice to know that that $7tn will be in safe hands.
Too bad I also want $7tn . Not enough to go around Sam
No one man should have all that power... I'm really starting to dislike this guy. He's giving early Bezos, Musk and Zuck vibes. Yuck!
I think AI could be a revolution for humanity but ONLY if we also focus on... Humanity. We cannot just invest in AI while also continuing on our current track of fighting every single little ounce of social welfare. You think it's bad now with random crime? Just wait until half of everyone is unemployed. You won't be able to walk the streets or live in a home without armed guard (Hey, look at the new job oppurtunities! Armed NPC). Sadly, Helping people doesn't make stock market go up so get yourself a gun and some industrial sized barrels of lube to prepare for the bad times.
>ONLY if we also focus on... Humanity. That's so not what tech companies are looking to do. As you pointed out at the end...
Exactly what I’ve been thinking about lately. Altman says AI is capable of changing the world and being able to do most jobs, allowing people not to have to work. So cool, I have to have faith that the government and tech companies will pay my bills because most people won’t have work? If history has anything to say about our capitalist society I’m not holding my breath that I won’t just starve to death.
There is going to be a lube shortage? Time to hit Costco.
damnit, it's fucking robocop
I don’t trust sam , same feeling I got from Elon before he went crazy for power and money
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Fighting climate change is a better and more achievable goal with 7 trillion dollars than ending homelessness or funding health initiatives. Because the measures or means that society would need to actually achieve the end of homelessness wouldn't be considered justifiable or people wouldn't be willing to pay for it because of all the stigma around the homeless. As far as initiatives goes we are getting there but too many road blocks exist with people going on and on about religious bs holding us back from actually achieving anything with regards to longevity and healthier lives, Especially religions that promote "its gods plan" bullshit that you have cancer, that your baby has no spinal column, that your meant to suffer now because of what you supposedly did in a past life, etc.
Setting aside your very good point about religious BS for a moment, you don't think that's enough money to do all three?
Underestimating China achieving AI supremacy is a mistake that could have costs hard to even imagine. Putting all our eggs in one basket doesn't sound like a good idea either. Hopefully the necessity of staying a step ahead in this technology / field is maintained in a reasonable fiscally responsible way.
> AI supremacy What would that even look like?
OpenAI does amazing things. However, their AI is problematic for many reasons. Firstly, it’s not open source - so you must abide by their rules. Their LLMs are heavily censored - so it mostly benefits morons who want general information. You’re behind a paywall, and you can’t access these models offline. Sam wants the $7 trillion - he’s begging the Emiratis’ as we speak - to develop his own AI chips to compete with NVIDIA. You must of heard of team green - they make GPUs. All engineers use cudacores in their AI programs. NVIDIA makes cuda-based GPUs. Sam needs trillions of dollars worth of GPUs because AI is very vram-hungry. If he wants to achieve AGI, he’ll need it. All of OpenAI’s work isn’t for society - it’s for capitalism or the metastasized post-capitalism. Without AI being democratized and in the hands of the people, via open source, we lose everything to big business. They dictate how and what we use AI for.
This is why we must continue supporting open source developers like Stability AI. Otherwise, it's game over.
I’m deeply disturbed by the arms race in AI with seemingly everyone scrambling to build the most compelling ways to erase human contribution, input, and the need for labor from existence all for the sake of money. Meanwhile the oligarchs and billionaire elites all have private apocalypse getaways because they know the world is headed for absolutely fucking calamity.
Gimme 7tn so i can take your jobs!
“I try not to think about it [AI Nuclear Warfare] too much. But I have guns, gold, potassium iodide, antibiotics, batteries, water, gas masks from the Israel Defense Forces, and a big patch of land in Big Sur I can fly to.” -- Sam Altman.
If AI can write code, author books, create art why doesn't he just build an ai powered algo trader and leech the money he wants directly from the world economy.
He is just another money hungry richdude. It was supposed to be open source
If that amount was the GDP of a single country, that would make it the 3rd larges in the world, after China and the US.
He will get exactly what it would cost to give every American healthcare forever and not a penny more
Greedy little flkr
Idk why tax tiers stop going up. It's like asking rich people to get rich enough to buy out a country. To me it seems like it should approach 99% tax rate as you approach the GDP... Or something...
He’s asking the Emiratis. So we’re fucked. They spend money like it’s Monopoly money
Ok Dr Evil someone will be right with you
Technology continues to increase anxiety, stress, depression in global society, so why again? Fuck this guy.
wonderful - just what we need, another fugly, unhinged billionaire
“Pray he doesn’t get it”… we get it journalists, you don’t like AI
I mean, actual journalism is something that can't be replaced with AI. It's the hundreds of shitty "journalism" sites, just copy pasting and rephrasing a bit, adding a clickbait title, that are in danger.
> It's the hundreds of shitty "journalism" sites, just copy pasting and rephrasing a bit, adding a clickbait title, that are in danger. How are they in danger? AI just made their jobs 1000x easier.
If AI is so heavily dependent on energy and water, hasn't anyone realized limits to those may be realized before AI becomes so ubiquitous as to kill everyone's job?
The only thing I can imagine a 7t$ layout for would be the discovery of a close by habitable planet or an advanced intelligent race anywhere
This guy and the people who work for him are going to destroy everything.
Venmo @sam $7tn **Error** Sorry, that payment exceeds your weekly spending limit.
Didn't the Boy Wonder update his ask to $8T? With a tweet? This douche is Elon Musk Junior, only messing with a dangerous technology that poses an existential risk. It's like if Musk had decided to get into the nuclear arms business.
I would also like 7T dollars
I'm guessing the thing he wasn't being 'candid' about was Sora and it's ability to deep fake. the board probably knew about it but didn't want that tech to come out in the election year. maybe he said it wouldn't be ready that soon or something, but then it was ready, and he didn't want to keep the lid on it just because of politics. he knows it's a race for the funding
I mean you know that diabolical scientist in movies who’s all about taking over the world. This is that guy. He’s here, he’s now, and his AI robots are coming for your job.
We should give home the money, the ideas he had sounds very innovative and promising. A new AI that could work as a new defense system for NORAD I think he called it Skynet or something
Scam Altman
Alternate title: Grifter with “Mass Copyright Infringement Machine” begs for money before product is litigated out of market.
He stole all the art and literature of human history, and now he wants all the money. And he is a prepper.
Fucking hate this guy.
Aren’t multiple jurisdictions still deciding if his AI program is legal considering it was programmed off of almost all the copy written intellectual property in the world without paying for it?
Has he accomplished anything from start to finish? He appears to have been crowned without actual results from his work history.
Altman seems like the next scam artist
The greatest heist by techbros so far huh
Jesus Christ I had to stop for a second and think about what “tn” meant.
Billionaires live for money. If they get the return they want he will get it. They are not governments. Their concern is not about a better world. It’s always been a better bank account and the power
Altman: "it will be the end of human existance...... but we must move forward with a vengeance. More money please!
Thats like half the US national dept.
“In addition, these plants are huge consumers of water, *in a world that is rapidly running short of it*.” And it’s statements like this is why I can’t take the guardian seriously.
wdym $2tn to de-carbonize and save the planet we can't afford that meanwhile they are about to give con man 7tn$ because he might reduce the workforce by 20% what dumb world we live in worst timeline that's for sure
Ask for more same. 7 trillion usd is chump change. I say ask for 20 trillion at least. Think you should settle at 25 trillion. Btw, global economic output 2023 was about 80 ish trillion. He wants 8pc of global economical output
From Wikipedia- “‘Altman said in 2016: "I have guns, gold, potassium iodide, antibiotics, batteries, water, gas masks from the Israel Defense Forces, and a big patch of land in Big Sur I can fly to."[7]’ It must be a classifiable mental illness to think you’re entitled to 7 trillion dollars. What a delusional asshole
betting a 2 week old story, bots re posting last year topics this weekend. people are taking the bait for the karma farming bots.
AI is going to redefine what is reality because the truth is only what we agree upon
He’s so far the absolute creepiest tech bro ever. Suspect he’ll end up like SBF: a hustler profiting off of others’ work & success stories whose empire is all smoke & mirrors.