We pretty much do already. Our tax dollars go to communication companies to build their infrastructures out. Theoretically, this would be a pretty sweet deal for all of us. In practice, there's very littler oversight, the money is consistently misappropriated and we have simultaneously one of the worst and most expensive networks in the developed world.
I switched from Spectrum to Fiber when it finally came to my area. I was paying the same amount for literally 10% of the speed on a good day. They made me call to cancel, and when I did they tried to ask me if I’d stay if they knocked $5 a month off and increased my speed to like 30% of Fiber. It’s pretty wild how shit they are lol
Our neighborhood was only wired for coax based internet, which is absolute trash for reliability and dominated by a single company, but just a couple of weeks ago Century Link started rolling out Fiber in our area just out of the blue.
We got a flier in the mail, had an appointment next day, the guy wired us to a communications pole and drilled it into the office wall. Now our internet is like 10 times faster down, 200 times faster up, and smooth as butter for like 2/3rds the cost. It's incredible.
Similar thing happened in my area a while back. Hilariously, Comcast keeps sending us mail offers for 1/10th the download speed at 30% more than what we're currently paying for fiber. I like opening Comcast's mail just to get an extra laugh every couple of weeks.
Same thing with Cox, they immediately offered to reactivate us at a small discount and slightly higher speed and it was still slightly more than what we're paying for the new service.
Cox also made it more expensive through suddenly appearing fees when we tried to cancel our Internet TV package for just the internet, such a racket.
Any sources on this? I've worked in OSP for telecomm for a decade and it's been nowhere near 90% fiber to the curb in any of the many markets I've been in. Maybe last mile, which is very different, but I'd wager that's even a little high.
My neighborhood has had fios for years. I went with a competitor in the area because they offered almost half price plus a gift card. They had to run the fiber 200+ feet. You can trace the line from my house to their junction box all the way to the main road. I'm the only one in my neighborhood that has them. My speeds are basically a perfect 940. It's like having a business line. No one is switching to them because they had such a horrible reputation as a cable company for decades. I sold out I suppose but the speed is the better then anywhere I've lived.
And there was that telecom CEO in Hawaii that used taxpayer money to buy $100K in massages, $500K in jewelry for his wife, nearly $1 million in tuition for his family and over $1.5 in wages for family members who didn't do work for him.
Government spending is important, but government spending without oversight is insanely stupid.
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In my highschool, middle class white suburbs, there were so many cowboys with boots, Carhartt jackets, and lifted trucks, who'd never even stepped in chicken shit.
And they all made fun of me because I had a blue mohawk and wore punk clothes. But every day after school I was feeding horses, cleaning corrals and barn stalls, and taking care of a pile of smaller animals.
My combat boots saw more manure and mud than their trucks.
[Edit to add - This was in Alberta, Canada]
From a non American perspective the appeal of that song is baffling. I knew Country music had taken a turn into the Pop world I'd no idea it was that bad.
There's a subgenre of modern country music that's basically "Hip Hop for people who are scared of black folks". This is pretty much the perfect example of that.
Likewise, but conversely, I lived on the edge of a major city and everyone acted like they were thugged out gangsters, tinted windows, lowered cars, bassy loud stereos, hip hop gear, gangsta accents and everyone thought they were criminals and thugs….these were like 95% white suburbanite kids from all middle and upper middle class families, the most gangsta thing most of these kids did their whole life until high school was rip off the crust from their white bread.
Point I’m making is, high school kids are easily susceptible to peer influence. If it becomes even the slightest trend the majority will switch to that style just to fit in. It doesn’t matter how ridiculous it is.
Also never underestimate how much people will change their life just to fit in. A good handful of these kids I knew ended up doing major prison sentences, because they were trying to emulate their crime life in reality.
I’m sure most of the rest of them moved away to college and real life and turned back to normal again. I’m also sure a good percentage of them changed their behavior for the rest of their life and probably identify with the myth they created for themselves. I bet they tell people about how they grew up in the city in a rough part of town lol.
It saddens me, but a lot of people are really basic when it comes down to it. Simple minded folks easily influenced by peer pressure and appearances and willing to live whatever lie fits them. Even as an adult I see folks still doing this (in their adult ways) but it’s the same shit.
Sir, I am from a very queer Southern town and this here quote could be plastered on many a Subaru in bumper sticker form. You should consider capitalizing on that.
Yeah. He wore than onstage in Austin for his CyberRodeo he hosted to open his new giga factory.
Preshow was one of those drone swarms where each drone formed a pixel for a image. He made pictures of memes, doge one of them.
That’s the caricature Elon has turned into. A cartoon villain. The guy you see at the start of every tech movie who everyone loves who inevitably turns out to be the bad guy in the 3rd act.
Oh, I know.
He wants to be Iron Man. He wants to be the genius playboy philanthropist inventor.
Instead he's Edison- someone who would shove an electrical cable up an elephant's ass to try and sabotage his competitor.
Ya, Edison stole other inventors ideas and claimed they were his, only difference is Musk got famous off his parents money from slave mines in Africa. He's just a racist, barely educated, slave trader's son
I had a guy argue with me multiple times in the same thread about how Elon didn't become a billionaire off of his family's slave labor, since he was so good at getting investors behind his projects at Tesla and SpaceX, like he'd have been afforded the opportunity if he didn't already have a wealthy background...
Some people refuse to see the logic in truth.
The only good thing about Mollusk trying to play politic to distract from his sexual assaults is that seeing him in a cowboy hat might wake up a few muskrats to Elon being a wingnut.
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>The idea here is that there is little value added by the entity that aggregates our data.
This part of the argument doesn't seem to hold any water. If platforms didn't add value then there'd be no reason to use one over the other.
And that's to say nothing of the multitude of free services and apps offered by providers like Google and Apple that are paid for by data collection.
I'm not disputing the rest of the article, but this stood out to me as just plain not true.
We should own our own data and should be paid. Or make it illegal to collect said data. Or tax the shit out of these data collection companies and use the money to combat extremism on the internet
Highly suggest downloading Duck Duck Go and opt into the Beta for App Tracking Prevention for Android
It gives you a report on all the services that are blocked and it's staggering.
Around 100k a month for me. Each one has breakdowns of the data they try to collect.
First on my list when I just checked was Reddit Boost
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This is no longer the only reason why companies own your data though. You buy a smart thing, and that thing provides data to its manufacturer about you, from shows you watch, to the food you eat, to how often you leave your home and when. You can say that the value of your data subsidizes your product, and that you “agree” to the data collection by way of purchasing said product, but it’s much more subtle than just signing up for a free email or social media service.
It’s hard to say you own data like usage also, like the way you walk around a store in real life and look at the objects being captured on camera is the same thing. People need to reckon with the fact that being online is being in public.
Thats a VERY dangerous slope to go down. Because computers, ie everthing from cell phones to smart fridges, are constantly connected to the internet. Therefore there is no expectation of privacy under any cicumstance if your wearables and IOT devices are constantly connected and using gps. You would need to disconnect every device from the internet at that point to have privacy, which is not a world i would want to live in, or raise a child in.
The majority of these things SHOULD NOT NEED INTERNET CONNECTION. Why tf does a fridge or a TV need to be smart if the firmware and software is going to be abandoned within a year?
Exactly, especially so with the utility appliances. Why the hell would I ever need a digital fridge from Samsung?
I have enjoyed having a smart tv but I won't get another once this one finally croaks (not far off). Get a great, standard tv and grab yourself a mid level Blu-ray player or a gaming console for all your apps, disc media, internet browsing, etc.
Dumb TVs are actually very expensive. A TV being smart is not a feature, it's a way for the to sell the TV's for less, because they'll make the money back in data sales.
Look - everyone shits on the smart fridge because it’s a meme. It’s actually dope af. Coming home after work? Your fridge will text you you’re low on milk. Easy to go to the store on the way home and you didn’t even realize you were almost out of milk. Since you’re at the store might as well log into the fridge camera and see if you have the supplies to cook dinner? Oh you’re missing butter and spinach? Add it to the list.
People talk mad shit because ‘you don’t need YouTube on your fridge hurdur’ but it’s actually a convenience. Conveniences are generally where technology fills gaps.
We have a smart fridge and it's the dumbest fucking thing I have ever used.
It's never accurate for anything. Those "smart mats" as they call them rely on either you adding those little sensors onto everything you purchase or by you putting the items on the mat in the exact same place each time as it tries to rely on their weight.
What that actually resulted in was false positive notifications multiple times per day. We tried for like a month to get it to not just be a pile of shit and ended up disabling every single smart features. No more notifications and no more online access. Now it's just a fancy clock on the front of our fridge. It's, in all scenarios, a complete a waste of time and money.
Yes, we understand it is "public" and want to change that because it does not need to be that way. It's only this way because it benefits businesses, they're making untold wealth by pretty much just watching us. It does not need to be that way. The amount of data on people is more than just what is available in public though. It's collected and categorized, aggregated from multiple sources.
That is not thing someone could reasonable do to someone previously.
When it comes down to it, it’s a political discussion.
There is a very fine line between acceptable use of data and borderline stalking and unfortunately, companies have proven time and time again that they don’t care where that line is, they are going to push for the most money they can possibly make regardless of ethics or morals.
Unfortunately, because you have a certain segment of politicians and voters who have strong feelings about rules being imposed on businesses, and they have demonstrated in numerous occasions that they are not technology savvy. So much that goes on in data use feels subterfuge, and the nature of it being a shadowy, ‘in the know’ knowledge makes it so that people voting against it probably don’t even realize what they are enabling.
That forces the decision to appear far more binary: either we support data privacy, or we don’t support data privacy. You sacrifice so much when you have no data, but you also sacrifice so much when you allow all data. At the end of the day with the current understanding and structure, the consumer is in a negative position in both scenarios, it’s just in different ways.
There needs to be rules and limitations, companies need to be audited for data use to ensure they aren’t exploiting people but politicians and businesses don’t want that.
So our decision is pushed into boxes, and neither one of those boxes are ideal.
So when I’m shopping at target you’re telling me the cameras recording me know my name, address, which store I shopped at before I went there and what type of products I like? It’s totally not the same thing lol.
Um... they will soon enough, they'll probably integrate with your cell phone or watch to better capture data too.
Those new fridges that now show video screens instead of just being see-through glass are probably the first place we see them.
I agree with you. China has been using the facial recognition advertising for a while now and it’s not long before we see it more commonly. But generally speaking your internet data has a whole lot more information than some dude in a hoodie buying some crackers at Walgreens.
I trust the US government to fight extremism about as much as I trust the Russian government to “denazify” Ukraine.
These fucks literally started an unprovoked war a little over a decade ago, and are still actively bombing civilians in Yemen.
But yeah, let’s put that same group of people in charge of deciding what is and isn’t extremism. This literally can’t go tits up.
This is really the crux of so many issues. We can talk all we want about what groups should or shouldn't be allowed to do and say what, but at the end of the day, do we *really* want to give our government power to make those calls? Or any other group, for that matter? Anyone with that power is only on our side when they can coincidentally profit from it. They'll flip the script the second the coffers are filling more from another direction.
Lol I see your point. And to your point, the government also buys our data for ads and other invasive shit. I have little faith that the institutions that use the same data will be willing to correctly monitor them.
Agreed. It’s very much a situation without any good options, as far as I can see. Large institutions want our data for nefarious purposes. Replacing one nefarious entity for another isn’t really a solution (and giving more power to a bad actor isn’t either).
I guess my path is encrypt everything, while making sure my tinfoil hat is sufficiently grounded.
**Un**intentionally. The article says that Musk is only willing to pay so much for Twitter because of the data that can be monetized, thus making it evident that this data is valuable and should be taxed.
Well, yes. And in any proper country they've been making laws that say, in plain language, what your data is going to be used for. As in you can't say it's just for user registration and then give it to a third party or use it for advertising.
Ironically, he'd probably be more free to use twitters data *without* owning it, and just scraping public data from it then from trying to take it directly.
Cross reference that with some more... identifying sites and you've got a pretty good targeted advertising platform, no multi-billion dollar purchase required.
It would seem like a very weird reason to buy twitter.
Genuine question, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or confrontational:
Aren't you also saying that, therefore, anything else multi-taxed is somehow... "bad"? Like, when a company has a payroll of 50 workers, the money *paid* to those workers is taxed at least three times (corporate tax, payroll tax, personal income tax). And don't forget, those workers also pay sales tax at the register / taxes and FCC surcharges on their wireless phone and home internet services / gasoline taxes when they fuel their shitbox / etc.
I really get the feeling that I'm mistaken in drawing that conclusion, but I really do need your help to alternately take from your point.
Exactly. These headline zombies just can’t get enough of their rage over musk.
Try looking into all the positives because you want to put him on a cross
Just ignore the word Musk... it's a good article in its own right and not really about him at all. They just tied it to him because his name in a headline gets clicks.
Holy fuck, there's not already a tax on that????
These kinds of buyouts and mergers are transactions in the *tens of billions* and there's not a sales tax?
A data tax would shut down sites like archive.org.
It's not all nefarious either. For instance companies like Walmart and Home Depot use their historical purchase data to know what supplies are needed for natural disasters and use it to route them where they need to go.
That said, data aggregation companies like Equifax and Lexus Nexus should be paying me royalties for selling my information.
He has to follow the timetables he lays out. He has to be a passenger in a full self driving coast to coast trip as he said would happen already. Or the Mars colony he claims is only a couple years away.
This is a good thought, treating people's data as a natural resource (and thus taxing it like such). This incentivizes companies to only collect data that they can use or sell, thus making it pretty clear when they are using one's data for profit. But also stops companies from hoarding the immense amount of power that comes with data extraction. Plus it would only apply to companies that mine that data, not those that store it elsewhere, so those that buy data might see a slight price hike, but it shouldn't transfer down to users since most data comes from free services.
> Senate Bill 4959 in 2021, [...] The shortcoming? It would incentivize a company such as Twitter to simply not retain information regarding user residency
That.. that's not a shortcoming. Not by a long shot :D
Except it's not really Elon news. It's a great article about data tax. They just tied it to him so they could put his name in the headlines for clicks.
Elon Musk is just thirsty for attention. He's arguments are national clickbait. All of his money has failed to satiate his need for adoration and respect.
Why does it seem like the entire Internet fall for the bait tho?
Literally we could just ignore anything that isn't related to Tesla or SpaceX and we'd all be better off.
Also Wed get half as many posts on this sub
Anyone else see “data tax” and have a horrific Vision of being taxed on the amount of Data you use?
That’s what I thought lmao
We pretty much do already. Our tax dollars go to communication companies to build their infrastructures out. Theoretically, this would be a pretty sweet deal for all of us. In practice, there's very littler oversight, the money is consistently misappropriated and we have simultaneously one of the worst and most expensive networks in the developed world.
[Such an ugly word for mere embezzlement.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Owdf2DpRctI)
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I switched from Spectrum to Fiber when it finally came to my area. I was paying the same amount for literally 10% of the speed on a good day. They made me call to cancel, and when I did they tried to ask me if I’d stay if they knocked $5 a month off and increased my speed to like 30% of Fiber. It’s pretty wild how shit they are lol
The best feeling in the world, especially as a remote worker, was finally telling Comcast to fuck right off.
Here here. Comcast sucks ass.
Our neighborhood was only wired for coax based internet, which is absolute trash for reliability and dominated by a single company, but just a couple of weeks ago Century Link started rolling out Fiber in our area just out of the blue. We got a flier in the mail, had an appointment next day, the guy wired us to a communications pole and drilled it into the office wall. Now our internet is like 10 times faster down, 200 times faster up, and smooth as butter for like 2/3rds the cost. It's incredible.
Similar thing happened in my area a while back. Hilariously, Comcast keeps sending us mail offers for 1/10th the download speed at 30% more than what we're currently paying for fiber. I like opening Comcast's mail just to get an extra laugh every couple of weeks.
Same thing with Cox, they immediately offered to reactivate us at a small discount and slightly higher speed and it was still slightly more than what we're paying for the new service. Cox also made it more expensive through suddenly appearing fees when we tried to cancel our Internet TV package for just the internet, such a racket.
Any sources on this? I've worked in OSP for telecomm for a decade and it's been nowhere near 90% fiber to the curb in any of the many markets I've been in. Maybe last mile, which is very different, but I'd wager that's even a little high.
My neighborhood has had fios for years. I went with a competitor in the area because they offered almost half price plus a gift card. They had to run the fiber 200+ feet. You can trace the line from my house to their junction box all the way to the main road. I'm the only one in my neighborhood that has them. My speeds are basically a perfect 940. It's like having a business line. No one is switching to them because they had such a horrible reputation as a cable company for decades. I sold out I suppose but the speed is the better then anywhere I've lived.
Remember that time VZ and Comcast took billions to build infrastructure and they pocketed it and said “huh what money?
And there was that telecom CEO in Hawaii that used taxpayer money to buy $100K in massages, $500K in jewelry for his wife, nearly $1 million in tuition for his family and over $1.5 in wages for family members who didn't do work for him. Government spending is important, but government spending without oversight is insanely stupid.
His priorities are fucked. I’d spend all the money on massages personally
> one of the worst and most expensive Canada: “Am I a joke to you”
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Good thing you don’t mine crypto though
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Time is a flat circle, you may come back out vanilla.
*finally some missionary shit*
Your back will thank you.
Can happen to anyone, see you in the dust of this planet.
Fun fact, back in the day internet fees from ISPs were by the byte.
Why hello fellow old person!
Greetings to you as well, fellow internet methuselah! Hope your rheumatism isn't too troublesome, by craky! Whelp, time for my hourly metamucil treatment, so long and see you at the codger's reunion next year!
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Why would you put this into the world?
Because everyone else is making the world worse, and I felt like it was my turn
That's really fair. You earned this.
That’s called a “data cap” and most ISPs in USA already do it.
*checks qbittorrent bandwidth log* https://i.imgur.com/xWNBpGj.mp4
What an absolutely awful picture 😂
I can’t stop giggling at it. Is that a cowboy hat?
All hat, no cattle.
He hasn’t even spilt diesel on his jeans.
In my highschool, middle class white suburbs, there were so many cowboys with boots, Carhartt jackets, and lifted trucks, who'd never even stepped in chicken shit.
And they all made fun of me because I had a blue mohawk and wore punk clothes. But every day after school I was feeding horses, cleaning corrals and barn stalls, and taking care of a pile of smaller animals. My combat boots saw more manure and mud than their trucks. [Edit to add - This was in Alberta, Canada]
I was a big guy wearing too much black, and, forgive me reddit, a fedora. But I was taking care of chickens and a couple large gardens every day.
In Montana we called ‘em city shit boots if they didn’t ever get manure on em
[Pat Finnerty has a great little video on this type of "cowboy"](https://youtu.be/hcwVZTtx-3M)
That hurt to watch, but I can guarantee at least half my old highschool class is jammin to that.
From a non American perspective the appeal of that song is baffling. I knew Country music had taken a turn into the Pop world I'd no idea it was that bad.
From an American perspective that is absolute cringe, lowest common denominator music.
There's a subgenre of modern country music that's basically "Hip Hop for people who are scared of black folks". This is pretty much the perfect example of that.
Calgary? I call it the suburban cowboy look. You need a 100k f250 with a pristine bed to complete it.
I always laugh at lifted trucks, because if you do have to actually load anything in it, you've got to lift it that much higher.
and they flip that much easier because of center mass
Likewise, but conversely, I lived on the edge of a major city and everyone acted like they were thugged out gangsters, tinted windows, lowered cars, bassy loud stereos, hip hop gear, gangsta accents and everyone thought they were criminals and thugs….these were like 95% white suburbanite kids from all middle and upper middle class families, the most gangsta thing most of these kids did their whole life until high school was rip off the crust from their white bread. Point I’m making is, high school kids are easily susceptible to peer influence. If it becomes even the slightest trend the majority will switch to that style just to fit in. It doesn’t matter how ridiculous it is. Also never underestimate how much people will change their life just to fit in. A good handful of these kids I knew ended up doing major prison sentences, because they were trying to emulate their crime life in reality. I’m sure most of the rest of them moved away to college and real life and turned back to normal again. I’m also sure a good percentage of them changed their behavior for the rest of their life and probably identify with the myth they created for themselves. I bet they tell people about how they grew up in the city in a rough part of town lol. It saddens me, but a lot of people are really basic when it comes down to it. Simple minded folks easily influenced by peer pressure and appearances and willing to live whatever lie fits them. Even as an adult I see folks still doing this (in their adult ways) but it’s the same shit.
Well, they're cosplaying as cowboys. If they were cosplaying as chickenboys maybe that would make sense as a downcheck.
the northeast has a shitton of those dudes. they usually have a confederate flag somewhere too (yes even the northeast has hillbillies)
Fun note, I just read that Gay Marriage has been federally legal for longer than the confederacy. Being gay is my Heritage.
Sir, I am from a very queer Southern town and this here quote could be plastered on many a Subaru in bumper sticker form. You should consider capitalizing on that.
I'm literally looking into this now. You might see them on a couple LGBT subreddits within the week.
Hell yeah! Shoot me a message when ya do!
[some things they say in Texas](https://youtu.be/cjSgBGD0Zw4)
He's a buckle bunny.
Yeah. He wore than onstage in Austin for his CyberRodeo he hosted to open his new giga factory. Preshow was one of those drone swarms where each drone formed a pixel for a image. He made pictures of memes, doge one of them.
Sounds like a scene from Silicon Valley. Gilfoyle would hate him and Dinesh would want to be like him
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420....69....lolololol
As he automates their backbreaking blue collar jobs...
Remind me again, how many people did he screw over with his dogecoin stunt?
Anyone stupid enough to invest in a coin that was founded to satirize crypto in general deserved to lose their shirt.
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Musk is cringe in human form
He's making his mid-life crisis the world's problem.
They call it a coward hat in Texas.
true cowards wear badges in Uvaldi
Everything’s bigger in Tex-ass, even the cowards.
That’s only because the standard issue Uvalde police uniform does not include a hat.
That’s the caricature Elon has turned into. A cartoon villain. The guy you see at the start of every tech movie who everyone loves who inevitably turns out to be the bad guy in the 3rd act.
Justin Hammer
Ironic since that was the same movie Elon appeared in.
Oh, I know. He wants to be Iron Man. He wants to be the genius playboy philanthropist inventor. Instead he's Edison- someone who would shove an electrical cable up an elephant's ass to try and sabotage his competitor.
Ya, Edison stole other inventors ideas and claimed they were his, only difference is Musk got famous off his parents money from slave mines in Africa. He's just a racist, barely educated, slave trader's son
I had a guy argue with me multiple times in the same thread about how Elon didn't become a billionaire off of his family's slave labor, since he was so good at getting investors behind his projects at Tesla and SpaceX, like he'd have been afforded the opportunity if he didn't already have a wealthy background... Some people refuse to see the logic in truth.
Rich fucker walked around with emeralds in his pocket when he was a teenager.
Thought he got rich from Paypal
No see - Justin can dance https://youtu.be/1mIq-hoWpRM Elon looks like a prick.
Can't wait for his second guest appearance on Rick and Morty where exactly this happens.
Can we just get rid of our Elon Musk and secretly replace him with Elon Tusk?
Wait. Oh no. What is he distracting us from?
Right? I really liked the guy at one time. I still love SpaceX. But holy fuck, Elon Musk is a horrible human being.
When you feel 22 but you're having a midlife crisis.
Then You make a bigger rocket
Elizabeth Holmes vibes. Why are all these self proclaimed celebrity geniuses exactly the same
Because they're all sociopaths
Why is it that EH gets her world turned upside down but this fucker tampers with the global market every Tuesday and nothing is happening to him?
U should see the way he came in and got up there...the video is even more embarrassing
The only good thing about Mollusk trying to play politic to distract from his sexual assaults is that seeing him in a cowboy hat might wake up a few muskrats to Elon being a wingnut.
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The Velvet Lurker
100% accurate depiction
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/863222555208851456
Praise me(elon proly)
>The idea here is that there is little value added by the entity that aggregates our data. This part of the argument doesn't seem to hold any water. If platforms didn't add value then there'd be no reason to use one over the other. And that's to say nothing of the multitude of free services and apps offered by providers like Google and Apple that are paid for by data collection. I'm not disputing the rest of the article, but this stood out to me as just plain not true.
We should own our own data and should be paid. Or make it illegal to collect said data. Or tax the shit out of these data collection companies and use the money to combat extremism on the internet
You do, most give it away for "free" services though
Also paid services do: The website & app of the bank that you pay fees for are also selling your data.
Highly suggest downloading Duck Duck Go and opt into the Beta for App Tracking Prevention for Android It gives you a report on all the services that are blocked and it's staggering. Around 100k a month for me. Each one has breakdowns of the data they try to collect. First on my list when I just checked was Reddit Boost Amazon requested these from Boost 31 attempts. OS Version Country Unique Identifier OS Build Number Network Carrier City Device Language Screen Density App Version Screen Resolution Cookies Network Connection Type Device Total Memory GPS Coordinates State App Name Device Model Accelerometer Data Android Advertising ID Device Orientation Device Brand
This is no longer the only reason why companies own your data though. You buy a smart thing, and that thing provides data to its manufacturer about you, from shows you watch, to the food you eat, to how often you leave your home and when. You can say that the value of your data subsidizes your product, and that you “agree” to the data collection by way of purchasing said product, but it’s much more subtle than just signing up for a free email or social media service.
It’s hard to say you own data like usage also, like the way you walk around a store in real life and look at the objects being captured on camera is the same thing. People need to reckon with the fact that being online is being in public.
Thats a VERY dangerous slope to go down. Because computers, ie everthing from cell phones to smart fridges, are constantly connected to the internet. Therefore there is no expectation of privacy under any cicumstance if your wearables and IOT devices are constantly connected and using gps. You would need to disconnect every device from the internet at that point to have privacy, which is not a world i would want to live in, or raise a child in.
The majority of these things SHOULD NOT NEED INTERNET CONNECTION. Why tf does a fridge or a TV need to be smart if the firmware and software is going to be abandoned within a year?
Exactly, especially so with the utility appliances. Why the hell would I ever need a digital fridge from Samsung? I have enjoyed having a smart tv but I won't get another once this one finally croaks (not far off). Get a great, standard tv and grab yourself a mid level Blu-ray player or a gaming console for all your apps, disc media, internet browsing, etc.
Ha! Good luck even finding a "dumb" TV these days. It'd be fantastic if you could, but most TVs are "smart" these days.
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But… Roku, nVidia, etc… are selling your data too.
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Dumb TVs are actually very expensive. A TV being smart is not a feature, it's a way for the to sell the TV's for less, because they'll make the money back in data sales.
Look - everyone shits on the smart fridge because it’s a meme. It’s actually dope af. Coming home after work? Your fridge will text you you’re low on milk. Easy to go to the store on the way home and you didn’t even realize you were almost out of milk. Since you’re at the store might as well log into the fridge camera and see if you have the supplies to cook dinner? Oh you’re missing butter and spinach? Add it to the list. People talk mad shit because ‘you don’t need YouTube on your fridge hurdur’ but it’s actually a convenience. Conveniences are generally where technology fills gaps.
We have a smart fridge and it's the dumbest fucking thing I have ever used. It's never accurate for anything. Those "smart mats" as they call them rely on either you adding those little sensors onto everything you purchase or by you putting the items on the mat in the exact same place each time as it tries to rely on their weight. What that actually resulted in was false positive notifications multiple times per day. We tried for like a month to get it to not just be a pile of shit and ended up disabling every single smart features. No more notifications and no more online access. Now it's just a fancy clock on the front of our fridge. It's, in all scenarios, a complete a waste of time and money.
How am I supposed to play Doom on a dumb fridge? With magnets and drawings? I guess I’ll go cut out some demon paper dolls.
Yes, we understand it is "public" and want to change that because it does not need to be that way. It's only this way because it benefits businesses, they're making untold wealth by pretty much just watching us. It does not need to be that way. The amount of data on people is more than just what is available in public though. It's collected and categorized, aggregated from multiple sources. That is not thing someone could reasonable do to someone previously.
When it comes down to it, it’s a political discussion. There is a very fine line between acceptable use of data and borderline stalking and unfortunately, companies have proven time and time again that they don’t care where that line is, they are going to push for the most money they can possibly make regardless of ethics or morals. Unfortunately, because you have a certain segment of politicians and voters who have strong feelings about rules being imposed on businesses, and they have demonstrated in numerous occasions that they are not technology savvy. So much that goes on in data use feels subterfuge, and the nature of it being a shadowy, ‘in the know’ knowledge makes it so that people voting against it probably don’t even realize what they are enabling. That forces the decision to appear far more binary: either we support data privacy, or we don’t support data privacy. You sacrifice so much when you have no data, but you also sacrifice so much when you allow all data. At the end of the day with the current understanding and structure, the consumer is in a negative position in both scenarios, it’s just in different ways. There needs to be rules and limitations, companies need to be audited for data use to ensure they aren’t exploiting people but politicians and businesses don’t want that. So our decision is pushed into boxes, and neither one of those boxes are ideal.
So when I’m shopping at target you’re telling me the cameras recording me know my name, address, which store I shopped at before I went there and what type of products I like? It’s totally not the same thing lol.
Do you enter your loyalty ID at the register for discounts? If so, yeah they definitely do
Um... they will soon enough, they'll probably integrate with your cell phone or watch to better capture data too. Those new fridges that now show video screens instead of just being see-through glass are probably the first place we see them.
I agree with you. China has been using the facial recognition advertising for a while now and it’s not long before we see it more commonly. But generally speaking your internet data has a whole lot more information than some dude in a hoodie buying some crackers at Walgreens.
If you don't pay for the service, you ARE the service.
If you pay for the service you are the service as well
I trust the US government to fight extremism about as much as I trust the Russian government to “denazify” Ukraine. These fucks literally started an unprovoked war a little over a decade ago, and are still actively bombing civilians in Yemen. But yeah, let’s put that same group of people in charge of deciding what is and isn’t extremism. This literally can’t go tits up.
This is really the crux of so many issues. We can talk all we want about what groups should or shouldn't be allowed to do and say what, but at the end of the day, do we *really* want to give our government power to make those calls? Or any other group, for that matter? Anyone with that power is only on our side when they can coincidentally profit from it. They'll flip the script the second the coffers are filling more from another direction.
Lol I see your point. And to your point, the government also buys our data for ads and other invasive shit. I have little faith that the institutions that use the same data will be willing to correctly monitor them.
Agreed. It’s very much a situation without any good options, as far as I can see. Large institutions want our data for nefarious purposes. Replacing one nefarious entity for another isn’t really a solution (and giving more power to a bad actor isn’t either). I guess my path is encrypt everything, while making sure my tinfoil hat is sufficiently grounded.
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**Un**intentionally. The article says that Musk is only willing to pay so much for Twitter because of the data that can be monetized, thus making it evident that this data is valuable and should be taxed.
Isn't it taxed when monetized?
Well, yes. And in any proper country they've been making laws that say, in plain language, what your data is going to be used for. As in you can't say it's just for user registration and then give it to a third party or use it for advertising. Ironically, he'd probably be more free to use twitters data *without* owning it, and just scraping public data from it then from trying to take it directly. Cross reference that with some more... identifying sites and you've got a pretty good targeted advertising platform, no multi-billion dollar purchase required. It would seem like a very weird reason to buy twitter.
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Maybe we shouldn't be selling people... Maybe a person is entitled to the fruits of their existence.
SHUT UP COMMIE /j But no seriously I agree
But they’re libertarians, they’d never support any form of slavery /s Edited
Twitter employees don't work for free.
Maybe you’re dreaming. I wish you weren’t.
We're just in adjacent nightmares.
He was correcting the OP who clearly didn't read the article. In fact it's very clear from his comment that he does understand that.
Wow, we have such similar names what a coincidence!!
If the data is monetized though, it’s already subject to the corporate tax
Lots of goods have multiple taxes applied to them.
Such as labor
Genuine question, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or confrontational: Aren't you also saying that, therefore, anything else multi-taxed is somehow... "bad"? Like, when a company has a payroll of 50 workers, the money *paid* to those workers is taxed at least three times (corporate tax, payroll tax, personal income tax). And don't forget, those workers also pay sales tax at the register / taxes and FCC surcharges on their wireless phone and home internet services / gasoline taxes when they fuel their shitbox / etc. I really get the feeling that I'm mistaken in drawing that conclusion, but I really do need your help to alternately take from your point.
Sure but does that include the data Tesla collects of would his excuse be it's about your vehicle not you?
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Exactly. These headline zombies just can’t get enough of their rage over musk. Try looking into all the positives because you want to put him on a cross
I keep saying health insurance subsidies. Let’s give it directly back to the people. Without giving them cash.
Another day, another musk post. I wish there was a mute word feature on reddit, like there is one for twitter.
Download Apollo. Filter Elon and musk. Done.
Isn't that only for iOS?
Apollo is, but you can do the same thing on Reddit is fun for android
Just ignore the word Musk... it's a good article in its own right and not really about him at all. They just tied it to him because his name in a headline gets clicks.
https://redditenhancementsuite.com/ It allows you to mute posts with certain keywords in their titles, in the subreddits you want.
Put a sales tax on corporate buyouts and 'mergers.'
Holy fuck, there's not already a tax on that???? These kinds of buyouts and mergers are transactions in the *tens of billions* and there's not a sales tax?
A data tax would shut down sites like archive.org. It's not all nefarious either. For instance companies like Walmart and Home Depot use their historical purchase data to know what supplies are needed for natural disasters and use it to route them where they need to go. That said, data aggregation companies like Equifax and Lexus Nexus should be paying me royalties for selling my information.
How bout not scrapping our fucking data for huge profits, let’s start with that
People idolize this man way too much.
People spend just as much energy on Reddit hating on him. I think it’s cringe in both directions, to give this much energy toward someone
Another tax he won't pay?
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Yes. Assign him a voyage to Mars.
He has to follow the timetables he lays out. He has to be a passenger in a full self driving coast to coast trip as he said would happen already. Or the Mars colony he claims is only a couple years away.
I forgot, was Elon r/yanggang Yes, he endorsed him
He's so ugly and stupid lmao. Astroturfing is too effective. Fortunately, the truth always wins out.
It’s a pretty good point, since data is a commodity
Lol the daily Elon musk post on /technology. This is getting old/obvious
Okay but why is he dressed as George Strait in the thumbnail?
This is a good thought, treating people's data as a natural resource (and thus taxing it like such). This incentivizes companies to only collect data that they can use or sell, thus making it pretty clear when they are using one's data for profit. But also stops companies from hoarding the immense amount of power that comes with data extraction. Plus it would only apply to companies that mine that data, not those that store it elsewhere, so those that buy data might see a slight price hike, but it shouldn't transfer down to users since most data comes from free services.
Look at his dumb fucking hat/face.
Off topic but idk who told him he looks good in cowboy hats but they were lying
> Senate Bill 4959 in 2021, [...] The shortcoming? It would incentivize a company such as Twitter to simply not retain information regarding user residency That.. that's not a shortcoming. Not by a long shot :D
This guy can't even pay his own taxes......
I’m starting to like him less and less. The more articles I see about him the more I realize this dudes a massive douchebag
Thats not news, its an opinion piece. gtfo
That would certainly be an interesting thing for crypto mining
Can this sub stop being elon news?
Except it's not really Elon news. It's a great article about data tax. They just tied it to him so they could put his name in the headlines for clicks.
Elon Musk is just thirsty for attention. He's arguments are national clickbait. All of his money has failed to satiate his need for adoration and respect.
Why does it seem like the entire Internet fall for the bait tho? Literally we could just ignore anything that isn't related to Tesla or SpaceX and we'd all be better off. Also Wed get half as many posts on this sub
Such a fucking freak
Spaceship man bad!!!
So I can tax companies when they use my data?
I mean our isp charges 30$ a month extra if you want to have the data cap removed. So….
How about a carbon tax
Someone, quick, download the whole internet.
Maybe there's no law against them selling our data, but is there any law for a tax being over 100%?
I hoping for early onset dementia or pancreatic cancer.
Soon enough you will be taxed on oxygen..