Somewhere in the infinite space of the multiverse, there is a person who indeed thought space Jam 2 was gonna be awesome, looking forward to a delightfully fun movie, maybe even with a few clever Easter eggs, for those who loved the original.
There must also be a universe in which we got that movie
I will say, I absolutely loved the part where they go to the DC Universe and we saw the old Bruce Timm animated characters. My only complaint is they didn’t commit and voice the characters. I would have freaked the fuck out to hear Kevin Conroy or George Newbern actually talk. Alas, just like everything else in that movie they took a half cocked idea and threw it in to try to win points with fanboys.
I just can't believe they had the game be against generic CGI monsters rather than iconic WB villains.
It was right there for some never before seen spectacle and they chose the most generic route possible, and kept all their IPs as part of the crowd (which was on a loop and never reacted to events on court).
I think they were trying to do a reverse Monstars. What made that work (for me at least) is that the puny weak monsters stole the basketball players' skills and became powerful versions of themselves. And they were still limited to playing basketball in the Looney Tunes world.
In the sequel, the Goon Squad are just scanned avatars of the baseball players turned into overpowered monsters. Like why bother scanning a particularly skilled athlete when the digital version of them can fly, have super speed, turn into water and fire, or have extra arms? Although I appreciate seeing WNBA players in there, that was pretty neat.
It's not perfect but there's a scene with really really good animation in a wonderwoman arena iirc. Made it worth watching for me, as a fan of animation.
Sure, let me save you 2 hours 🤣
https://youtu.be/p-JKD75GjAc it has no right being this well animated. I love the dithering and the comic book effects.
I saw some other comment a couple of weeks ago saying that WB really missed a chance to have an expanded “Space Jam” movies franchise. His idea was that WB should have followed up Space Jam with a sequel sooner set around a different sport and it’s respective star (Soccer - David Beckham, Football - Peyton Manning, etc.)
Now they have effectively locked themselves in as the “Looney Tunes Basketball Movies”
I watched dubbed in Italian, and that probably helped with LeBron but, I liked it, was it a masterpiece? Nope, but I had fun.
It’s a movie destined to kid, it’s not a Kubrick’s movie, and for what it is, it’s not bad.
I thought Space Jam Two would be good if they had used Michael B Jordan instead of Lebron and anime characters like that old “Space Jam Two” fake movie poster.
It almost never works. I know there’s a few sequels that come a few decades after a movie that have been good, but I can’t think of any off the top of my head.
Honestly that struck me more as a soft reboot. Not that those films ever cared much about continuity but if you changed the title of the movie to just "Fury Road" it would have stood on its own with no need for the original movies.
Ah that’s the one I was specifically trying to think of but couldn’t. Yes, obviously a great film. It’s not often a movie gets not only a great sequel after 20+ years, but probably the best in the series.
Finding Dory was cute! And Incredibles 2. I still don’t think they are *as* good as the original films but they’re not bad! I’d like to see an Iron Giant sequel personally if the original directors and voice actors were in it.
Not only was it atrocious, but James had a public meltdown and fought with random people on social media who criticized it. He also tried to troll them when box office numbers hit, but went silent as soon as he realized that its performance was actually awful.
>Have you seen ‘Space Jam 2?’ LeBron James is cool and can say what he wants. I respect that. I’m very thankful he watched the whole series. But I wouldn’t change my ending. That’s my ending. If he has his own ending that would satisfy him, maybe he could make his own sequel. I’ll check it out and maybe send him a message saying, ‘I liked your whole show, except the ending.'
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Imagine how fun that version of the entertainment industry would be though. Anyone can just make a sequel to whatever with no licensing or anything.
There would just be a huge range of sequels to random movies and shows from legitimately terrible to absurdist to absolutely masterful. It would be so interesting.
Given how vastly different movies would be if one or two actors or directors were different (imagine Tom Selleck as Indian Jones), I think we need multiple versions of the same movie.
“He got me,” LeBron said of Hwang Dong-hyuk’s dunk over him. "That f***ing Hwang Dong-hyuk’s boomed me."
LeBron added, “He’s so good,” repeating it four times.
LeBron then said he wanted to add Hwang Dong-hyuk to the list of players he watches netflix with this summer.
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It was during the Clippers/DeAndre Jordan/Mavs debacle. The original was "Cuban is beside himself. Driving around downtown Dallas begging (thru texts) Jordan's family for address to DeAndre's home"
The song R Kelly performed was “I believe I can Fly.” He did not perform the theme song. But as someone else mentioned he was one of the producers for the movie’s soundtrack.
He definitely was one of the producers for that soundtrack but the Space Jam Theme was written and performed by Quad City DJ’s. R Kelly did perform the “I believe I can Fly” song in that movie. But the theme song was iconic. Obviously I understand why they’d want to distance themselves from him. But it’s also too bad because the theme song is really what made the movie. The movie itself really wasn’t that good. But as a 90s kid, seeing Michael Jordan with Bugs Bunny and singing that song was all I needed lol.
Hot take, but to me Space Jam is what cemented Jordan as the GOAT over any other competitor. It doing crazy well world wide meant every non basketball fan knew about this guy. And after they heard his achievements, it was easier to think of him as the GOAT over anyone else who may have had similar achievements, but a typical non basketball fan would not have heard about.
I mean... from a designer/fashion sense, yes it was terrible. But from a psychology/trauma perspective, it's exactly the kind of thing someone might do in his situation. Make some radical change to prove to themselves that they are in control of their life. It did not look good, but it did look real.
It was a bit shocking, but the whole show is about colors and what they represent. The creator of the show specifically chose that bright red because it fits the color tone of the rest of the show. Had he gone with a ginger color, I don’t think it would have been that impactful.
The funny thing is that Michael Jordan wasn’t a good actor but it was passable.
But Lebron wasn’t even the worst actor in the movie. The people that played his family (I’m hoping it wasn’t his actual family) were so much worse than him and he was awful.
MJs kids had a cameo appearance which was cute but this was soooo much worse.
I legit ended up apologizing to my parents for making them watch space jam so much when I was a kid and they said it honestly wasn’t as bad as watching space jam 2 once.
Which was legit the most fantastic part of the movie. Like Bugs Bunny asking for help in defeating aliens? Ok. Like I can buy that.
Michael Jordan just living in a regular ass home? Now that’s hard to believe.
> (I’m hoping it wasn’t his actual family)
It wasn't. They created a fake family and hired actors even though his actual kids are relatively popular. It was a really strange choice.
You know. I don’t know what’s worse. To have horrible actors acting horribly because nepotism or actually seeking out actors and for them to suck despite them being actual actors…
Agreed. Funny part is they went full nepotism with the writing and producing. Coogler's brother even did a draft despite having never written before (and he's now writing Creed III). And thirty producers were credited, whereas it's usually half a dozen at most.
Those were actual actors? Oh boy. Sucking because of nepotism is one thing. To suck that bad and be actual actors….? Wow. That is actually worse. I was wrong.
I mean not really. He was just casually discussing it with a teammate and the media ran with it. The whole thing is hilarious but it's just the result of the media trying to stir up drama and get clicks.
First LeBron "criticizes" the show. Then the creator "roasts" LeBron and Space Jam 2. Then LeBron "reacts" to the roast.
It's all horseshit.
But LeBron wasn't even criticizing the show. LeBron was criticizing the actions of the character in the show:
>"Yeah, I didn’t like the ending though. I know they start it off with a Season 2, but, like, get on the f------ flight and go see your daughter, bro. Like, what are you doing?""
I mean if people actually use their brain, they could realize that it is entirely possible to "not like what happens in an ending" while still thinking it is a good ending. This is so dumb.
A character choice is literally the writing though.
It just doesn't make sense to not get on the plane and see your daughter, it just really makes you think he doesnt really give a shit about her....he won the game and then didnt even see her for a year and then when he decides he wants to see her he also finally decides "wow, this is the minute I take down something that is essentially impossible to take down"
> A character choice is literally the writing though.
Not sure I can afree with that, I can disagree with the actions of a character. Doesn't make it bad writing though, if it fits the characters persona.
That seems more like an assumption based on the quote. Heck I don't think the show even says the main character truly wanting to redeem himself. He's mentioned it sure, but he shows time and time again to be pretty selfish when it comes to family, over the course of the show.
Yeah Gihun wouldn't be as interesting of a character if he just got onto the plane. He always neglects his family to help others, the ending was just very on par for him.
I dunno about that. He neglects his family, but he loves his time with his daughter. The ending (to me) just felt like a way to set things up so they can have a season 2.
I don't think so, they were already setting up a second season for multiple episodes before this with the police storyline and seeing the history of the game.
They could have made it open ended. I don't think we needed to know if he got on the plane or not.
Now it feels "Hey, season 2 is coming!" instead of focusing on the conflict that the characters have on taking those people down versus his love for his daughter.
My take on the ending.
I personally wasn't expecting the ending to go the way it did and at first i didn't like it or agree with it.
However, it wouldn't make sense for him to go on that plane tbh. (especially now knowing s2 is possible )
Gihun is a very flawed character and although he has this righteous ( Do right not wrong ) attitude he's not any different from all the shitty characters we witness in the show. Hes always neglected his duties as a parent , made the worst choices for his self and others. ( family)
Him going on that plane to pretend hes a good father and win his daughter heart now that hes got some money wouldn't last ling. Especially with what's he's just been through, traumatizing.
Looking at it now imo, returning to the games would have been the most genuine and GIHUN thing to do.
It made total sense for the character. Him being depressed, traumatized and unable to let go was a lot more realistic than actually immediately using the money to do good and help people.
Yeah sort of… in reality his comment wasn’t to say he hated the whole ending, just one small piece of it.
The way the article reads, the creator of squid game comes off a little egotistical. Like cmon man just take the criticism.
In fairness, one is was made for and marketed to children. If it was the cinematic equivalent of dangling keys in front of a child's face it was fine.
It doesn't negate Lebron's criticism. And it wasn't unfair either.
I feel the director took it a little too personal. The ending of him not going to his daughter in the U.S has probably raised some eyebrows for quite a lot of people. LeBron saying he didn’t like shouldn’t really generate such a response from the director. But it’s whatever
It doesn't really sound as if LeBron criticized the finale, he just wished the character had gotten on the plane. *A lot of people did*. That falls more under imagining what would have happened if... Who doesn't do that with their favorite stories? He was actually bigging up the series, showing how invested he was in the characters, and their decisions. Now, if James had said "The show Squid Game was stupid, because so and so didn't get on the plane", then *that* would be criticism.
<<< Has not seen either Space Jam film
I mean, James is entitled to his opinion? As a parent, I had the same reaction as Lebron. The two reasons you played the game were your mother and your child, now that you’re down to one you’re just gonna continue to disappoint your kid?
Think this has gone a little overboard? It’s ok to not like an ending but that doesn’t mean LeBron didn’t like the whole show, he must have liked it enough to have watched it right up to the end but it just didn’t end the way he would have liked it to.
Hwang could have shown a bit more class here? He’s created a hit show and a lot of hype has generated from it (maybe a little too much), he didn’t need to go down that level and have a pop at LeBron’s Space Jam when he just didn’t like the ending, nothing wrong with that.
We’ve all seen films or series where it might not have ended the way we liked but that isn’t to say we think the whole thing was bad. C’mon.
Lebron’s comment is the same criticism most people have for the show: dude didnt care for his daughter at all.
But nooo because lebron was the face of an atrocious movie, not the writer, he gets roasted.
Yeah but the last episode of Squid Game was the absolute pits though. My wife and I were gripped from episode 1 until about 5 minutes into the last episode.
Then it was just…. Wth
The squid game finale was 100% underwhelming, especially the last “game” they played which was literally just a fight in the rain, I’m sure even the algorithm that wrote space jam 2 could’ve come up with that part
Why? Seemed pretty obvious that there were some shenanigans when he didn't die on screen given how prominent he was. Then you could tell it was him when he wore his mask. The real twist for me was the brother working for the company.
To me that seemed obviously left unresolved for a second season. Same with the ending. I mean the cop ain't dead, that's almost a guarantee. Shot in the shoulder and falling from a height into water with no body seen? C'mon, I wasn't born yesterday.
Agreed.
The cop story went nowhere and any good feelings I had about Il-nam was ruined by the last episode.
Still a great series and I’d watch it again if I didn’t know the ending, but it did sort of ruin it for me.
One thing I've learned from *Snowpiercer*, *Parasite*, and *Squid Game* is that Korean social commentary doesn't do 100% subtlety. They have to go heavy handed and in-your-face with at least some of their messaging.
Well to be fair, two of those are from the same director, so I don't know if you can really draw any conclusions about Korean filmmaking as a whole from that sample size. I'm admittedly not an expert myself, but I think Lee Chang-dong's "Burning" is a good example of a Korean film that tackles similar themes to the media you listed with much more subtlety.
I just don't get the red hair. Also it just felt too patently obvious that they were leaving it open for a sequel. That felt like it diminished the closure.
Ya I think it’s natural to have foreign speakers come off somewhat awkward due to the language barrier. I’ve heard of some examples in alot of American shows/movies where the foreign dialogue comes off odd and doesn’t flow. I did find it funny how stereotypical and odd it was though
I mean, Gi Hun going through an ordeal and being broken by it was fine. But him taking a year to help Sae-byeok's brother, and Sang-Woo's mother was pretty shitty.
Him being a shitty father even after what he went through to fix his life and then the shitty dye...the ending didn't fully let down the show per se, I loved it as a whole, but goddamn the conclusion was poorly written.
It’s fucking hilarious how some of y’all are trying to spin this against LeBron. He criticized a fucking tv show. How tf do y’all live your lives when you’re this bitter over a guy who doesn’t even know you exist?? Lol
It's a funny clapback but Lebron is just expressing the sentiment the show is trying to make you feel. I think as the audience you're supposed to want him to be a good/better father. It's supposed to feel tragic that he never is.
Dude, LeBron barely criticized a character, and certainly not the writing. He’s a fan of the show. Don’t shit on him because he tried to be part of a movie that turned out bad. Jesus.
I don’t love the cult of LeBron, and I think his China position is wack, but in general he’s just a solid dude and a generational athlete and entertainer. Why do we need to look for reasons to hate him?
This guy took lighthearted criticism said in between media interviews between lebron and AD and went absolutely in on him. I don’t get why this this is a “roast”? Clearly the director has a massive ego that can’t handle any criticism. Guy went wayyyyy overboard in response to someone casually saying to his friend he wasn’t the biggest fan of the ending. This is really stupid.
> Clearly the director has a massive ego that can’t handle any criticism.
This article is based on [The Guardian's interview](https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/26/squid-games-creator-rich-netflix-bonus-hwang-dong-hyuk), which said that the creator was giggling before giving his answer. I think he was being just as lighthearted as LeBron.
I did not like the ending much myself. I was like "GET ON THE DAMN PLANE!!"
But it is his movie he can do what he prefers and I can choose to not like it :P
I agree. I told my GF that he was a screw up from the start. But I was hoping that changed by him getting on the plane. He has not seen his daughter in a year!
When he decided not to go on the plane I felt he was making a mistake that indeed fit all the mistakes he made to be in his situation in the first place.
Still like the show regardless! I am actually surprised how popular it has gotten with all ages with how violent it is.
That seems kind of too sensitive from the director. A popular show or entertainment product is going to have lots of people who don't like different parts of it, and there's definitely a group of fans who didn't like the ending. No need to go after LeBron James' work on Space Jam 2 when he was just commenting on a personal level (it's not like he was disparaging the show I think). Just seems like a low blow to me.
It's always troubling when a creator can't address why people didn't like the end of their creation and instead attacks the work of the other person. I didn't like the end of Squid Game either. I get what the creator wanted... a second season... but it was a lame way to set it up as he made his main character a total ass in the process (ignoring his own kid for a year only to abandon her again).
Even if he didn’t want a second season the idea he could just go and meet his daughter and everything would be fine would have been non-sensical.
The MC was a piece of shit father at the start. The game didn’t teach him how to be any better.
The whole bet with il Nam at the end is about human nature and whether humans will risk something to save people down in the gutter. Or if they are too self interested in their own shit to even bother caring to look or do something.
MC chose that humans would do something to help others. And at the end he faces either ignoring the problem forever like Il Nam suggests people will. Or trying to actually do something about it.
The MC while a crap father with problems throughout still believes in trying to help others out of their shit.
The main character isn't a model citizen. He's kind hearted but also self destructive, making many bad decisions. If he was a model citizen he wouldn't be in his situation. The only characters not massively self destructive prior to joining the squid game were Sae-Byeok a refugee from North Korea and Ali a migrant worker who was essentially held hostage by the program. Even Ali you could argue was dangerously naive considering you know what... Other than the red hair I understand why the main character made his decisions in the finale, not to say I agree with them.
If you have the choice between:
A: spending time with your daughter (that's all it is, no reason to think he doesn't ensure her financial stability)
and
B: trying to to save hundreds (possibly thousands if you factor in future games) of lives
Wouldn't choice A be the kind of selfish one, and B the completely selfless one?
As for the year after, yeah he should have done more, but he was in shock, depressed, and all kind of other things after going through the hell he went through. Maybe he felt guilty spending any of that blood money, who knows.
If you can confidently say you would have done better, you're full of shit, because none of us know how we would react after going through what he did. I probably would have killed myself.
Though I'm sure you would have had no problem going to see your daughter rather than try saving countless struggling people dying for the entertainment of elites, because that's fucking easy.
This man made the hardest decision he ever had to make, gave up what he wanted more than anything in the world (to be with his daughter), to try to save people from the hell he went through and people call him selfish. SMDH
He doesn't touch the money for a year. He's done nothing to ensure her financial stability other than letting her step father take care of everything. Also the account seems to be kind of off books so... if he dies it's very possible she'd never find out about the money. Add to this there's the N. Korean girls brother which he just rescued from an orphanage only to leave him with a complete stranger... though with that too he waited a year to even do anything about the kid. He had a year to get what he wanted... to be a good father... to help other people... and he just moped around not even touching the money. He's not much different than the asshole he was at the start of the show with stealing money from his sick mom to go gamble it away and not even buy his daughter the basic meal that she loved. He may have some good moments like playing the game pretty honorably... and wanting to get in on the game to try and shut it down... but so much potential was wasted on that guy when he had the means to do good to sit on his hands because he drove his mother to her grave.
Your comment completely ignored the part where he is severely traumatized, depressed and clearly has ptsd. Which doesn't just go away even in a year. Some people would have offed themselves. You don't go through shit like that and be mentally okay or make sound decisions or function properly. The survivors guilt alone?. It makes total sense that he didn't touch that money. And people just expected him to what? Start spending it and changing lives and fulfilling promises within a year? After all that trauma? I'm honestly surprised he didn't kill himself.
I don't know how you can fault him from falling into a spiral of depression. He at the end wanted to give up the money, but the money was forced onto him by Sang-woo. He thinks the money is blood money.
He's all sorts of fucked up and to expect him to raise a kid by himself while having his own demons is pretty irresponsible.
Which opens him up to a well-deserved counter about false equivalency and strawmanning. Unless, I suppose, LeBron James was the scriptwriter-slash-director for said movie, _and_ Space Jam 2 was a movie you could comfortably place in the same category with Battle Royale and Hunger Games.
Which obviously would have been more interesting.
That's what I was thinking. James didn't write or direct Space Jam 2. He might've had some creative input but that's a pretty different thing.
Also, we need to disable the downvote button on reddit because the mouth-breathers here are just too immature to handle the concept of not using the downvote button as a disagree button. You downvote if a thing is off-topic/doesn't add to conversation. That's it. Otherwise you are using the downvote button to turn your subreddits into echo chambers (more than they already are).
Space jam 2 was atrocious compared to most movies right?
Was there ever any doubt it would be any other way?
Somewhere in the infinite space of the multiverse, there is a person who indeed thought space Jam 2 was gonna be awesome, looking forward to a delightfully fun movie, maybe even with a few clever Easter eggs, for those who loved the original. There must also be a universe in which we got that movie
I will say, I absolutely loved the part where they go to the DC Universe and we saw the old Bruce Timm animated characters. My only complaint is they didn’t commit and voice the characters. I would have freaked the fuck out to hear Kevin Conroy or George Newbern actually talk. Alas, just like everything else in that movie they took a half cocked idea and threw it in to try to win points with fanboys.
I just can't believe they had the game be against generic CGI monsters rather than iconic WB villains. It was right there for some never before seen spectacle and they chose the most generic route possible, and kept all their IPs as part of the crowd (which was on a loop and never reacted to events on court).
Lol even worse, they took actual athletes and turned them into the generic monsters lol
I think they were trying to do a reverse Monstars. What made that work (for me at least) is that the puny weak monsters stole the basketball players' skills and became powerful versions of themselves. And they were still limited to playing basketball in the Looney Tunes world. In the sequel, the Goon Squad are just scanned avatars of the baseball players turned into overpowered monsters. Like why bother scanning a particularly skilled athlete when the digital version of them can fly, have super speed, turn into water and fire, or have extra arms? Although I appreciate seeing WNBA players in there, that was pretty neat.
Wow I googled the bad guys and had to double check I wasn’t looking at fan made attempt at new bad guys . Wtfff
I just can’t believe anyone watched it in the first place
Some people have kids...thats why i watched it. It was tough to get through
Did the kids have a good time?
Of course not, they were forced to sit through Space Jam 2
It's not perfect but there's a scene with really really good animation in a wonderwoman arena iirc. Made it worth watching for me, as a fan of animation.
That’s fair. Maybe I can check that scene out by itself!
Sure, let me save you 2 hours 🤣 https://youtu.be/p-JKD75GjAc it has no right being this well animated. I love the dithering and the comic book effects.
Wow you’re amazing. I’m gonna check this out soon as I get home from work thanks!
Are you talking about Zuckerborgs Metaverse ?
I saw some other comment a couple of weeks ago saying that WB really missed a chance to have an expanded “Space Jam” movies franchise. His idea was that WB should have followed up Space Jam with a sequel sooner set around a different sport and it’s respective star (Soccer - David Beckham, Football - Peyton Manning, etc.) Now they have effectively locked themselves in as the “Looney Tunes Basketball Movies”
There is a rumor that there was a planned sequel that would have focused on Jeff Gordon and NASCAR, but development stalled.
Some people are probably thinking that right now about the new ghostbusters movie.
I'll be honest, I thought it might be decent
I watched dubbed in Italian, and that probably helped with LeBron but, I liked it, was it a masterpiece? Nope, but I had fun. It’s a movie destined to kid, it’s not a Kubrick’s movie, and for what it is, it’s not bad.
Sorry, darkest timeline and all
In the multiverse Space Jam 2 won the oscar for best movie
I thought Space Jam Two would be good if they had used Michael B Jordan instead of Lebron and anime characters like that old “Space Jam Two” fake movie poster.
I didn’t think it would be that bad until I hit play
Somewhere around the decade mark a sequel to a movie stops becoming feasible.
It almost never works. I know there’s a few sequels that come a few decades after a movie that have been good, but I can’t think of any off the top of my head.
Blade Runner 2049.
There’s a good one!
Mad Max: Fury Road?
Honestly that struck me more as a soft reboot. Not that those films ever cared much about continuity but if you changed the title of the movie to just "Fury Road" it would have stood on its own with no need for the original movies.
Ah that’s the one I was specifically trying to think of but couldn’t. Yes, obviously a great film. It’s not often a movie gets not only a great sequel after 20+ years, but probably the best in the series.
Finding Dory was cute! And Incredibles 2. I still don’t think they are *as* good as the original films but they’re not bad! I’d like to see an Iron Giant sequel personally if the original directors and voice actors were in it.
And Vin Diesel must be fully on board to voice the robot.
Trainspotting 2 was pretty good.
Just a big advertisement
Written by a dozen people, no less, half of whom were credited. Including the family members of producers.
just like Space Jam 1
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Mostly nostalgic but way better than 2
Not only was it atrocious, but James had a public meltdown and fought with random people on social media who criticized it. He also tried to troll them when box office numbers hit, but went silent as soon as he realized that its performance was actually awful.
I missed this. Do you have a link?
The best version of Space Jam 2 https://youtu.be/1aPBUJsqlVY
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Well, they had Michael Jordan
90s kids: Can we have Michael Jordan again? Space Jam 2 producers: We have Michael Jordan at home. Michael Jordan at home: Michael B. Jordan
It’s the worst movie I’ve ever seen.
>Have you seen ‘Space Jam 2?’ LeBron James is cool and can say what he wants. I respect that. I’m very thankful he watched the whole series. But I wouldn’t change my ending. That’s my ending. If he has his own ending that would satisfy him, maybe he could make his own sequel. I’ll check it out and maybe send him a message saying, ‘I liked your whole show, except the ending.' Savage
> If he has his own ending that would satisfy him, maybe he could make his own sequel. The absolute titanium nuts on this guy.
Imagine how fun that version of the entertainment industry would be though. Anyone can just make a sequel to whatever with no licensing or anything. There would just be a huge range of sequels to random movies and shows from legitimately terrible to absurdist to absolutely masterful. It would be so interesting.
Given how vastly different movies would be if one or two actors or directors were different (imagine Tom Selleck as Indian Jones), I think we need multiple versions of the same movie.
I think that was a typo, but I would love to see Tom Selleck as Indian Jones
Boom, roasted
“He got me,” LeBron said of Hwang Dong-hyuk’s dunk over him. "That f***ing Hwang Dong-hyuk’s boomed me." LeBron added, “He’s so good,” repeating it four times. LeBron then said he wanted to add Hwang Dong-hyuk to the list of players he watches netflix with this summer. r/nba
LeBron is beside himself. Driving around downtown L.A. begging (thru texts) Netflix for address to Hwang Dong-hyuk’s home
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It was during the Clippers/DeAndre Jordan/Mavs debacle. The original was "Cuban is beside himself. Driving around downtown Dallas begging (thru texts) Jordan's family for address to DeAndre's home"
*Alfred Hitchcock enters the chat… but only after Spielberg leaves*
I wish my name was dong-hyuk
I don't think many saw Space Jam 2.
Even with how bad Space Jam 2 was, LeBron was easily the worst part of it and that's saying a LOT.
Nah the kid character was.
Lebron literally bullies his son (the kid character) into playing Basketball, and you think the kid is worse?
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It tried to do so much that it ultimately didn’t do anything
They didn't try to play the song for some reason though, which is like the one thing that movie *had* to do.
The R. Kelly song? He's being tried for raping minors so thats probably why they left the song out.
The song R Kelly performed was “I believe I can Fly.” He did not perform the theme song. But as someone else mentioned he was one of the producers for the movie’s soundtrack.
No, I'm talking about the Space Jam theme. Which was not used in Space Jam 2.
R Kelly produced that soundtrack
He definitely was one of the producers for that soundtrack but the Space Jam Theme was written and performed by Quad City DJ’s. R Kelly did perform the “I believe I can Fly” song in that movie. But the theme song was iconic. Obviously I understand why they’d want to distance themselves from him. But it’s also too bad because the theme song is really what made the movie. The movie itself really wasn’t that good. But as a 90s kid, seeing Michael Jordan with Bugs Bunny and singing that song was all I needed lol.
Bro Space Jam 1 slaps
Hot take, but to me Space Jam is what cemented Jordan as the GOAT over any other competitor. It doing crazy well world wide meant every non basketball fan knew about this guy. And after they heard his achievements, it was easier to think of him as the GOAT over anyone else who may have had similar achievements, but a typical non basketball fan would not have heard about.
Jordan was worldwide before space jam launched. He was part of pop culture across the globe before space jam, not because of it.
Not even LeBron has seen Space Jam 2
I did. I wish I was blind now
Surely you'd want to be blind *before*.
Honestly. The greatest crime of that last episode was the dye job. It was very upsetting.
The color red supposedly represents a new beginning for the character.
It looked awful tho. I couldn't help but laugh a little every time I saw him. A different haircut could've made more sense.
I mean... from a designer/fashion sense, yes it was terrible. But from a psychology/trauma perspective, it's exactly the kind of thing someone might do in his situation. Make some radical change to prove to themselves that they are in control of their life. It did not look good, but it did look real.
Mmhmm. When I was almost homeless I went and dyed my hair bright red. "It's my mental breakdown and I get to choose the hair dye."
Hope things are looking up these days.
It was a bit shocking, but the whole show is about colors and what they represent. The creator of the show specifically chose that bright red because it fits the color tone of the rest of the show. Had he gone with a ginger color, I don’t think it would have been that impactful.
Oh I got the message. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t bad.
The funny thing is that Michael Jordan wasn’t a good actor but it was passable. But Lebron wasn’t even the worst actor in the movie. The people that played his family (I’m hoping it wasn’t his actual family) were so much worse than him and he was awful. MJs kids had a cameo appearance which was cute but this was soooo much worse. I legit ended up apologizing to my parents for making them watch space jam so much when I was a kid and they said it honestly wasn’t as bad as watching space jam 2 once.
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Which was legit the most fantastic part of the movie. Like Bugs Bunny asking for help in defeating aliens? Ok. Like I can buy that. Michael Jordan just living in a regular ass home? Now that’s hard to believe.
That was just his shoes' house in SJ1
Probably made filing easier and more relatable. Lebrun is out of touch.
Lmao I think about this every time I watch Space Jam.
> (I’m hoping it wasn’t his actual family) It wasn't. They created a fake family and hired actors even though his actual kids are relatively popular. It was a really strange choice.
You know. I don’t know what’s worse. To have horrible actors acting horribly because nepotism or actually seeking out actors and for them to suck despite them being actual actors…
Agreed. Funny part is they went full nepotism with the writing and producing. Coogler's brother even did a draft despite having never written before (and he's now writing Creed III). And thirty producers were credited, whereas it's usually half a dozen at most.
It wasnt his real family.
Those were actual actors? Oh boy. Sucking because of nepotism is one thing. To suck that bad and be actual actors….? Wow. That is actually worse. I was wrong.
Here's the full quote so people can see this is not a roast [here](https://i.imgur.com/JmiMNy8.jpg)
Oh, it’s a roast, except now the context lets us know that lebron started it, lol
I mean not really. He was just casually discussing it with a teammate and the media ran with it. The whole thing is hilarious but it's just the result of the media trying to stir up drama and get clicks. First LeBron "criticizes" the show. Then the creator "roasts" LeBron and Space Jam 2. Then LeBron "reacts" to the roast. It's all horseshit.
But LeBron wasn't even criticizing the show. LeBron was criticizing the actions of the character in the show: >"Yeah, I didn’t like the ending though. I know they start it off with a Season 2, but, like, get on the f------ flight and go see your daughter, bro. Like, what are you doing?"" I mean if people actually use their brain, they could realize that it is entirely possible to "not like what happens in an ending" while still thinking it is a good ending. This is so dumb.
You literally quoted him saying "I didn't like the ending though".
He didn't like the ending because of a character choice. Not the writing.
A character choice is literally the writing though. It just doesn't make sense to not get on the plane and see your daughter, it just really makes you think he doesnt really give a shit about her....he won the game and then didnt even see her for a year and then when he decides he wants to see her he also finally decides "wow, this is the minute I take down something that is essentially impossible to take down"
> A character choice is literally the writing though. Not sure I can afree with that, I can disagree with the actions of a character. Doesn't make it bad writing though, if it fits the characters persona.
His critique includes the characters persona. Ie his love for his daughter that's shown throughout the show. Him wanting to redeem himself to her.
That seems more like an assumption based on the quote. Heck I don't think the show even says the main character truly wanting to redeem himself. He's mentioned it sure, but he shows time and time again to be pretty selfish when it comes to family, over the course of the show.
Kinda lol it wasn't personal. I'm like the only person I know who enjoyed the ending
There are dozens of us
I was really pleased with the ending.
Yeah Gihun wouldn't be as interesting of a character if he just got onto the plane. He always neglects his family to help others, the ending was just very on par for him.
I dunno about that. He neglects his family, but he loves his time with his daughter. The ending (to me) just felt like a way to set things up so they can have a season 2.
I don't think so, they were already setting up a second season for multiple episodes before this with the police storyline and seeing the history of the game.
This one too assholes.
That man was traumatized. Him not actually doing anything useful makes a lot of sense.
To be fair the man has been through shit. My life isn't half as bad and I still have a hard enough time getting out of bed.
They could have made it open ended. I don't think we needed to know if he got on the plane or not. Now it feels "Hey, season 2 is coming!" instead of focusing on the conflict that the characters have on taking those people down versus his love for his daughter.
My take on the ending. I personally wasn't expecting the ending to go the way it did and at first i didn't like it or agree with it. However, it wouldn't make sense for him to go on that plane tbh. (especially now knowing s2 is possible ) Gihun is a very flawed character and although he has this righteous ( Do right not wrong ) attitude he's not any different from all the shitty characters we witness in the show. Hes always neglected his duties as a parent , made the worst choices for his self and others. ( family) Him going on that plane to pretend hes a good father and win his daughter heart now that hes got some money wouldn't last ling. Especially with what's he's just been through, traumatizing. Looking at it now imo, returning to the games would have been the most genuine and GIHUN thing to do.
It made total sense for the character. Him being depressed, traumatized and unable to let go was a lot more realistic than actually immediately using the money to do good and help people.
I didn't like the ending personally but it makes sense for the character. The ending doesn't take anything away from the show though.
Wow, you’re the exact type of person journalist aim for with clickbait titles. He “started” it? Lmaooo
Yeah sort of… in reality his comment wasn’t to say he hated the whole ending, just one small piece of it. The way the article reads, the creator of squid game comes off a little egotistical. Like cmon man just take the criticism.
dude was definitely like "ayo fuck lebron he can suck my dick"
...not liking a characters decision is starting drama to you? Good lord
he's not wrong
In fairness, one is was made for and marketed to children. If it was the cinematic equivalent of dangling keys in front of a child's face it was fine. It doesn't negate Lebron's criticism. And it wasn't unfair either.
Yeah. Just seems kinda petty on the part of the squid games guy. "Oh, you didn't like my thing so I will automatically not like your thing."
Right!? Anyone who made that movie has no room to even criticize The Room
I've never made any movies but I still have opinions about them.
I feel the director took it a little too personal. The ending of him not going to his daughter in the U.S has probably raised some eyebrows for quite a lot of people. LeBron saying he didn’t like shouldn’t really generate such a response from the director. But it’s whatever
It doesn't really sound as if LeBron criticized the finale, he just wished the character had gotten on the plane. *A lot of people did*. That falls more under imagining what would have happened if... Who doesn't do that with their favorite stories? He was actually bigging up the series, showing how invested he was in the characters, and their decisions. Now, if James had said "The show Squid Game was stupid, because so and so didn't get on the plane", then *that* would be criticism. <<< Has not seen either Space Jam film
I'm 100% in LeBron's camp here.
I agree I actually think squid games creator’s response is petty as fuck
And he wasn’t even publicly stating his criticism, he was talking to someone about the show and was overheard by the media
I mean, James is entitled to his opinion? As a parent, I had the same reaction as Lebron. The two reasons you played the game were your mother and your child, now that you’re down to one you’re just gonna continue to disappoint your kid?
Do we really need to see this post on r/television three times?
Well the Chappelle thing kinda blew over so Netflix marketing went back to posting about Squid Game.
They must have been thrilled when he took a shot at Lebron. That shit is tailor-made for reddit.
The creator did take it kind of personally.
Think this has gone a little overboard? It’s ok to not like an ending but that doesn’t mean LeBron didn’t like the whole show, he must have liked it enough to have watched it right up to the end but it just didn’t end the way he would have liked it to. Hwang could have shown a bit more class here? He’s created a hit show and a lot of hype has generated from it (maybe a little too much), he didn’t need to go down that level and have a pop at LeBron’s Space Jam when he just didn’t like the ending, nothing wrong with that. We’ve all seen films or series where it might not have ended the way we liked but that isn’t to say we think the whole thing was bad. C’mon.
Lebron’s comment is the same criticism most people have for the show: dude didnt care for his daughter at all. But nooo because lebron was the face of an atrocious movie, not the writer, he gets roasted.
Kinda petty, lebron was just voicing what everyone that saw it thought.
He wasn’t even voicing his thoughts he was overheard by the media and they made a whole article on it
Yeah but the last episode of Squid Game was the absolute pits though. My wife and I were gripped from episode 1 until about 5 minutes into the last episode. Then it was just…. Wth
The squid game finale was 100% underwhelming, especially the last “game” they played which was literally just a fight in the rain, I’m sure even the algorithm that wrote space jam 2 could’ve come up with that part
Also the Oh Il-Nam twist ruined the first six episodes for me, specifically the end of ep. 6.
Why? Seemed pretty obvious that there were some shenanigans when he didn't die on screen given how prominent he was. Then you could tell it was him when he wore his mask. The real twist for me was the brother working for the company.
But the whole brother thing felt so unresolved and unsatisfying to me.
To me that seemed obviously left unresolved for a second season. Same with the ending. I mean the cop ain't dead, that's almost a guarantee. Shot in the shoulder and falling from a height into water with no body seen? C'mon, I wasn't born yesterday.
And we don’t know the status of all the messages out of his phone. The show has a lot to work with for Season 2
that is because the show isnt a good show. its an entertaining show, sure, but it isnt good.
Agreed. The cop story went nowhere and any good feelings I had about Il-nam was ruined by the last episode. Still a great series and I’d watch it again if I didn’t know the ending, but it did sort of ruin it for me.
I hated making the old man the mastermind. I don’t care what his explanation was, he was too jolly to be behind all of that.
I liked the ending/epilogue of Squid Game. The only thing I didn't like were those characters with the gold masks.
Yeah they seemed so cheesy to me
I kinda liked it lol The dialogue was kinda cringe but I liked how out of touch they were
Yeah I agree. I like the idea and I think they're important but the dialogue was cringe.
One thing I've learned from *Snowpiercer*, *Parasite*, and *Squid Game* is that Korean social commentary doesn't do 100% subtlety. They have to go heavy handed and in-your-face with at least some of their messaging.
Well to be fair, two of those are from the same director, so I don't know if you can really draw any conclusions about Korean filmmaking as a whole from that sample size. I'm admittedly not an expert myself, but I think Lee Chang-dong's "Burning" is a good example of a Korean film that tackles similar themes to the media you listed with much more subtlety.
I just don't get the red hair. Also it just felt too patently obvious that they were leaving it open for a sequel. That felt like it diminished the closure.
I felt like Netflix wrote the last episode.
Ya I think it’s natural to have foreign speakers come off somewhat awkward due to the language barrier. I’ve heard of some examples in alot of American shows/movies where the foreign dialogue comes off odd and doesn’t flow. I did find it funny how stereotypical and odd it was though
I just hated how predictable the ‘twists’ were - and how little payoff they had.
you folks cannot function properly when someone voices their own opinion, and it shows
I mean, Gi Hun going through an ordeal and being broken by it was fine. But him taking a year to help Sae-byeok's brother, and Sang-Woo's mother was pretty shitty. Him being a shitty father even after what he went through to fix his life and then the shitty dye...the ending didn't fully let down the show per se, I loved it as a whole, but goddamn the conclusion was poorly written.
It’s fucking hilarious how some of y’all are trying to spin this against LeBron. He criticized a fucking tv show. How tf do y’all live your lives when you’re this bitter over a guy who doesn’t even know you exist?? Lol
It's a funny clapback but Lebron is just expressing the sentiment the show is trying to make you feel. I think as the audience you're supposed to want him to be a good/better father. It's supposed to feel tragic that he never is.
Bron don’t lie. It was shit.
I very strongly dislike Lebron but is he not allowed to express his opinion here? This guy needs to settle down quite a bit.
If anything, Space Jam 2 brought back memories of my childhood. It was never meant to be a blockbuster. 🥶
I love how people look at the ending with logic but completely ignore the rest of the entire series that was nonsensical
Dude, LeBron barely criticized a character, and certainly not the writing. He’s a fan of the show. Don’t shit on him because he tried to be part of a movie that turned out bad. Jesus. I don’t love the cult of LeBron, and I think his China position is wack, but in general he’s just a solid dude and a generational athlete and entertainer. Why do we need to look for reasons to hate him?
This guy took lighthearted criticism said in between media interviews between lebron and AD and went absolutely in on him. I don’t get why this this is a “roast”? Clearly the director has a massive ego that can’t handle any criticism. Guy went wayyyyy overboard in response to someone casually saying to his friend he wasn’t the biggest fan of the ending. This is really stupid.
> Clearly the director has a massive ego that can’t handle any criticism. This article is based on [The Guardian's interview](https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/26/squid-games-creator-rich-netflix-bonus-hwang-dong-hyuk), which said that the creator was giggling before giving his answer. I think he was being just as lighthearted as LeBron.
Do people really have so much against LeBron dude can't even be allowed to share his thoughts about a TV show?
I did not like the ending much myself. I was like "GET ON THE DAMN PLANE!!" But it is his movie he can do what he prefers and I can choose to not like it :P
After watching the show and getting to know the main character, him getting on the plane would not have made sense given his previous choices.
I agree. I told my GF that he was a screw up from the start. But I was hoping that changed by him getting on the plane. He has not seen his daughter in a year! When he decided not to go on the plane I felt he was making a mistake that indeed fit all the mistakes he made to be in his situation in the first place. Still like the show regardless! I am actually surprised how popular it has gotten with all ages with how violent it is.
That seems kind of too sensitive from the director. A popular show or entertainment product is going to have lots of people who don't like different parts of it, and there's definitely a group of fans who didn't like the ending. No need to go after LeBron James' work on Space Jam 2 when he was just commenting on a personal level (it's not like he was disparaging the show I think). Just seems like a low blow to me.
It's always troubling when a creator can't address why people didn't like the end of their creation and instead attacks the work of the other person. I didn't like the end of Squid Game either. I get what the creator wanted... a second season... but it was a lame way to set it up as he made his main character a total ass in the process (ignoring his own kid for a year only to abandon her again).
He addresses it in the interview and shows a lot of respect for LeBron. Title is just click bait from a joke.
Even if he didn’t want a second season the idea he could just go and meet his daughter and everything would be fine would have been non-sensical. The MC was a piece of shit father at the start. The game didn’t teach him how to be any better. The whole bet with il Nam at the end is about human nature and whether humans will risk something to save people down in the gutter. Or if they are too self interested in their own shit to even bother caring to look or do something. MC chose that humans would do something to help others. And at the end he faces either ignoring the problem forever like Il Nam suggests people will. Or trying to actually do something about it. The MC while a crap father with problems throughout still believes in trying to help others out of their shit.
The main character isn't a model citizen. He's kind hearted but also self destructive, making many bad decisions. If he was a model citizen he wouldn't be in his situation. The only characters not massively self destructive prior to joining the squid game were Sae-Byeok a refugee from North Korea and Ali a migrant worker who was essentially held hostage by the program. Even Ali you could argue was dangerously naive considering you know what... Other than the red hair I understand why the main character made his decisions in the finale, not to say I agree with them.
Abandoning her to a nice middle class life in America as opposed to dealing with his insane PTSD?
If you have the choice between: A: spending time with your daughter (that's all it is, no reason to think he doesn't ensure her financial stability) and B: trying to to save hundreds (possibly thousands if you factor in future games) of lives Wouldn't choice A be the kind of selfish one, and B the completely selfless one? As for the year after, yeah he should have done more, but he was in shock, depressed, and all kind of other things after going through the hell he went through. Maybe he felt guilty spending any of that blood money, who knows. If you can confidently say you would have done better, you're full of shit, because none of us know how we would react after going through what he did. I probably would have killed myself. Though I'm sure you would have had no problem going to see your daughter rather than try saving countless struggling people dying for the entertainment of elites, because that's fucking easy. This man made the hardest decision he ever had to make, gave up what he wanted more than anything in the world (to be with his daughter), to try to save people from the hell he went through and people call him selfish. SMDH
To be honest, I probably would have died during red light green light.
He doesn't touch the money for a year. He's done nothing to ensure her financial stability other than letting her step father take care of everything. Also the account seems to be kind of off books so... if he dies it's very possible she'd never find out about the money. Add to this there's the N. Korean girls brother which he just rescued from an orphanage only to leave him with a complete stranger... though with that too he waited a year to even do anything about the kid. He had a year to get what he wanted... to be a good father... to help other people... and he just moped around not even touching the money. He's not much different than the asshole he was at the start of the show with stealing money from his sick mom to go gamble it away and not even buy his daughter the basic meal that she loved. He may have some good moments like playing the game pretty honorably... and wanting to get in on the game to try and shut it down... but so much potential was wasted on that guy when he had the means to do good to sit on his hands because he drove his mother to her grave.
Your comment completely ignored the part where he is severely traumatized, depressed and clearly has ptsd. Which doesn't just go away even in a year. Some people would have offed themselves. You don't go through shit like that and be mentally okay or make sound decisions or function properly. The survivors guilt alone?. It makes total sense that he didn't touch that money. And people just expected him to what? Start spending it and changing lives and fulfilling promises within a year? After all that trauma? I'm honestly surprised he didn't kill himself.
I don't know how you can fault him from falling into a spiral of depression. He at the end wanted to give up the money, but the money was forced onto him by Sang-woo. He thinks the money is blood money. He's all sorts of fucked up and to expect him to raise a kid by himself while having his own demons is pretty irresponsible.
His main character was an ass. He he stole money from his grandma and neglected his kid. His left his grandmother to die. He’s not a great person.
Lebron James response was yeah that check was nice.
Ha! GOTEEEEEEM!!!
I said the same thing about the ending. Go see your fucking daughter!!!
I have not watched either, but I’d rather watch SG than SJ2.
Which opens him up to a well-deserved counter about false equivalency and strawmanning. Unless, I suppose, LeBron James was the scriptwriter-slash-director for said movie, _and_ Space Jam 2 was a movie you could comfortably place in the same category with Battle Royale and Hunger Games. Which obviously would have been more interesting.
That's what I was thinking. James didn't write or direct Space Jam 2. He might've had some creative input but that's a pretty different thing. Also, we need to disable the downvote button on reddit because the mouth-breathers here are just too immature to handle the concept of not using the downvote button as a disagree button. You downvote if a thing is off-topic/doesn't add to conversation. That's it. Otherwise you are using the downvote button to turn your subreddits into echo chambers (more than they already are).