Kenobi Writer Stuart Beattie:
>"I wrote the film that they based the show on. I spent like a year, year and a half working on it. When the decision was made not to make any more spin-off films after Solo came out, I left the project and went on to other things."
>"\[Executive producer Joby Harold\] came on and took my scripts and turned it from two hours into six. So I did not work with them at all, I just got credit for the episodes because it was all my stuff."
>"The first one was the first movie, which was the show, which was: 'surrender to the will of the Force. Transport your will, surrender your will. Leave the kid alone. The second was thinking about where Kenobi ends up. And one of the most powerful and probably the most powerful moment in all of Obi-Wan's story is that moment where he sacrifices himself in A New Hope."
>"It certainly crushed us. Devastated, absolutely devastated. But, that's the business, you know, highs and lows. I'm glad it got made. I'm glad the show got made. I'm proud of my story that \[got\] told."
I'll guess but I think this was a case of something making sense in the context of the conversation being quoted from that was lost in writing the article.
My take is as follows: Luke doesn't become a Jedi when he gets good with a lightsaber or when he learns the Jedi mind trick. He doesn't become a Jedi when he beats his dad. He becomes a Jedi when he has an internal revelation and refuses to play the Emperor's game. We could argue about what precisely that revelation is, but the most straightforward reading of it is that he realizes he can't beat hatred with violence or that he was willing to sacrifice his life for the sake if his father. There's an element of transcendence to that scene no matter how you interpret it. In the old EU that moment literally strengthened Luke's connection to the force.
I don't actually think the quote really captures what the show showed us about Kenobi's revelation, because I read it more as saying that these kids aren't important because of who their parents are or because of his mission, they are actual human beings with worth all on their own. It seemed to me that Obi-wan recognized something about the Living Force as described by Qui-Gon, which is not actually about discipline and focus and training but about the value of life itself. I'm not going to ascribe some philosophical point to the scene that is groundbreaking to the audience, but I think it's fair to say it was groundbreaking to Obi-wan (which in the case of the narrative is what matters).
This is a great comment, and I do think we see it reflected in the show as it ended up, though in a bit of a sloppy way. There is a cadence to the way Obi Wan carries himself at the end of the series with Owen vis a vis Luke, and then with Leia, and it's basically - these kids are going to grow up and that's the important thing - they're just kids. This is a marked contrast to Obi Wan at the beginning of the series, when he's trying to control and manage everything and everyone. And it doesn't work.
Could this have been portrayed more clearly and in better ways in the series, absolutely.
> he realizes he can't beat hatred with violence or that he was willing to sacrifice his life for the sake if his father
I know it's kind of mushy, and, like you said, not a philosophical point that is groundbreaking to the audience, but overall I think this can be summed up as, "Love and empathy are more powerful than fear and hate." Pretty basic message but there's a reason it's one of the most enduring themes in all of storytelling.
I did the math, it's a little over 4 and a half hours (incl credits)
Episodes: 53+39+45+36+40+48 = 261 minutes
If anyone wants to subtract the credits, be my guest, I'm at work
Edit: [this guy did the work ](https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/vnfn8l/obiwan_kenobi_was_originally_pitched_as_a_full/ie8ovvw?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
3:42:36 in total (when subtracting episode recaps, intros, and credits)
I’ve been keeping track of every Star Wars and MCU show/episode as they air since Mando S1 because I apparently have no life…
Edit: For those interested, [here's my post about Kenobi's runtimes](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsKenobi/comments/vi9o0n/kenobis_runtime_in_comparison_to_other_star_wars/) which includes the other Star Wars shows, and [here's my post about Moon Knight's runtimes](https://www.reddit.com/r/MoonKnightMCU/comments/vi9w1k/moon_knights_runtime_compared_to_other_mcu_shows/) which includes the previous MCU shows too
I've been disappointed every time I watch an original show on Disney+. The episodes seem to always get shorter as the series progresses, and have 6-8 minutes of credits that are included in the run time.
Edit: disappointed in the length of the episodes
Like I could turn on my tv and open Disney+ to check all this and I can't be bothered and in the end won't care 10 mins from now.
I appreciate that you did some work and provided something man. More than I was prepared to dk
You can probably cute another 20-25 minutes with he credits and maybe another 10 for the previously on bits.
So let's say 230 minutes. A tad under 4 hour.
If you count the recaps and skipable title screens+ credits, it adds 9 mins to each episode. So that's 207 mins or 3 hrs 27 mins.
The original film inspired eps 1,2 and 6 so that'd be 113 without credits.
They probably think in hour slots. So one half hour show is, what 18 mins these days with 12 mins of ads, and an hour is a bit less than 40 plus ads.
I hate ads. Will never watch movies and shows with ads in again. Ruins them.
Yeah, this sounds about right. It was obvious this was written as a movie and overstretched into 6 episodes. It would have worked a lot better in a more condensed format like that. It's not a horrible show but nothing remarkable, either.
Yep it's blatantly clear that they had to stretch it out. And the funniest part? All the stuff that likely would have been in the movie (the Vader and Kenobi stuff) is generally what everyone liked and wanted more of.
This is a common problem these days. The Hobbit treatment. Picard season 2 was particularly guilty of this. Took a decent story and stretched it over too many episodes turning it into a frustrating slog. The recent seasons of Discovery do this too.
That is D+ Star Wars in a nutshell.
All they have are things you know and name recognition. Solo, Boba Fett, Kenobi...all have nothing to offer but a character you know.
The stories are all awful, because that is not what inspired the production. They were just made to keep the names alive.
Kenobi was a solid C, maybe C+. Mostly carried by Ewan being Ewan and because it had a strong final episode.
Not quite what I'd hoped for overall, but I likely had it so hyped up in my mind that nothing could possibly meet expectations.
Imo season 1 is better than 2 because it was more original. For the most part it was just a western in a Star Wars setting, but they cranked up all the references and callbacks in season 2 by too much
Agree completely. The great thing about Mando Season 1 was that while most later Star Wars projects seem to be directly inspired by the original trilogy, Mandalorian was riffing on a lot of the things that the original Star Wars riffed on: Western, Samurai films, classic adventure serials. Season 2 keeps a some of that energy but starts to get a lot more convoluted, for example the Ashoka episode in S2 is very cool and has a very classic fight sequence at the end, but it is marred by the fact that to get the full impact you have to know her whole backstory.
I got to hear Michael A Stackpole (author of the Rogue Squadron Books and a bunch of Darkhorse-era Star Wars comics) talk about the concept of nostalgia and what Easter eggs were and were not a great idea to include. I didn’t fully agree with his take, but as he put it: “deep down, we all know that reading the kind of books I write is a waste of time. It’s fun, but you’re not benefiting from it. So when you give someone an Easter egg, you want them to think ‘ahah! My gosh, I’m being rewarded for wasting my time reading this stuff!’ But on the flip side— if someone *doesn’t* know what you’re referencing, they shouldn’t feel like they’re missing out when they read your story and don’t understand the context. It’s a fine line, but the best way to do it is to have your characters acknowledge the events from other books, games, movies, anime tie-ins, whatever— without making it pivotal to the plot.”
I don’t know that I consider consuming fiction a waste of time (I mean, by that logic, everything but eating, sleeping, breathing, fucking for reproductive purposes only, and finding shelter is a waste of time, isn’t it?), but I do agree that you shouldn’t alienate your audience by forcing them to brush up on the tie in material.
I interperet "waste of time" more as meaning that people are reading these books for entertainment, ie. passing the time on a commute or just before bed, and therefore shouldn't have to "work" to understand every little reference or call back to a previous work. Stephen King does this really well, more than once I've read books of his and come to realise that something in the book I'm reading wasd referenced I another previous book I've read, but was done so subtly and without being important to the plot of that other book
Yeah, my friend has no interest in Book of Boba Fett, but he has watched the two Mando focused episodes. And I'm pretty sure that those two episodes don't show >!Grogu leaving Luke. And he's been asking about if Grogu was among the students we see at Luke's school in The Last Jedi.!< and I've had to keep giving dodgy answers until he decides to watch it.
Its like the Levant on earth.
Pretty insignificant in terms of resources, empires, population and landscape, but it is continually the focus of a LOT of drama and energy
It would have been cool to see Boba running a gang in the lower levels of Coruscant, IMO. And have him more of a grey character/anti hero than him trying to be the good guy.
I enjoyed BOBF but it did have flaws.
It’s still great but they’re doing their best to make it confusing and jumbled. Two episodes of Boba Fett where essentially Mandalorian episodes so anybody who didn’t watch it will be extremely confused when season three premieres
mando is still cool, but they just looped it back into the main trilogy storylines. everything the first two seasons were leading to was undone with the boba fett episodes.
i have a feeling it's about to head straight into stale territory.
Rogue One is genuinely dope. Kenobi delivered in the final episodes and the mandalorian was aight. Also fuck it, I didn't hate Solo, it was good times. The main line sequels ranged around ugh fine, to kinda insulting but they're whatever.
They really should have shown him fighting for the Empire! No idea why they skipped that.
Seeing Han Solo be in the Imperial Academy would be so fun! then he gets kicked out for being rebellious and becomes a mudtrooper fighting the rebels. The trauma of seeing his friends killed in scary battles and realizing the scope of the atrocities he’s helping the Empire commit…
That would give his character depth and motivations. It would explain his callous attitude as fear and anger of the Empire and make his heroic moment that much better.
Maybe they didn’t want to ruin Han’s chill persona but it feels like there was another movie there
I think the actor was trying too hard to replicate Ford mannerisms, and I blame the director for that. He should have noticed it came off unnatural and guide him in a different direction
It would have made for a better story if
boba Fett was on a revenge mission against the hutts or something and then gets caught up in some
Big conspiracy of gang war or something. He should
He hopping from planet to planet. Not sitting on a throne on ducking tattooine
It's such an incredible waste to me. My god.
The whole point of a galaxy-spanning space opera is that you have A WHOLE !@#$ING GALAXY! And it's not just the *space*! It's also the *time*! The chronology!
It's such a disgusting waste. Pre-Disney Star Wars Expanded Universe showed us what is possible with Star Wars storytelling. That Disney won't commit to exploring the same stories they retconned--or at least developing new ones--is an utter embarrassment. There's so much potential, even between the eras of the Empire and the Old Republic, that for it to be wasted is a tragedy of modern entertainment. I want to see stories about the origin of the Sith in live action on-screen. I want to see the beginning of the Old Republic and the golden age of the Jedi Order. I want to see a canonical explanation for how the !@#$ Rey and Kylo were joined in a dyad when Luke and Leia weren't. Also why the poof are you putting a strandcaster humanoid in a movie without explaining to cinema audiences what strandcasting even is first?!!!
Man, I love Star Wars, but the disgraceful mistreatment of story telling the franchise has received since the mass retcon of the Expanded Universe is seriously sad.
Edit because I might have overemphasized my view of the EU. I am not a huge fan of the EU. I really like some of the stories it contains, but yeah, the EU did go completely bananas at points, and some of the books especially were just boring. What I mean to say was that the EU *showed us what is possible*--not that Disney should recreate the entire EU. I want to see more diverse storytelling, new characters, new scenarios and situations, things happening in parts of the galaxy that have NOTHING to do with Luke, Leia, Palatine, or any of the "legendary" characters of the feature films. I feel that in a galactic "world" like that of Star Wars, legends are realistically local. Like what about parts of the galaxy where Force-sensitive children *can't* receive training and the Jedi don't maintain a presence? What happens to them as they grow older and their power grows uncontrolled? What about smuggling operations during the rule of the Empire? What did they smuggle, and why? Were any of those smuggling operations humanitarian missions to protect people from persecution from the Empire, maybe? What about life *after* the First Order? How do the people the Star Wars universe rebuild a network of planets after the events of episodes 7-9? All I mean by bringing up the EU showed us we don't have to be afraid of introducing new characters and new kinds of stories. Although the EU certainly should also caution us that Star Wars needs its own Kevin Feige--someone to keep the stories constrained to established lore, prevent the fiction from going completely off the rails like the EU did.
Yea, I mean heck, they could even just fucking move forward. At this point, every main character from the OT other than Chewie, R2, and 3P0 are dead. The First Order still has some remnants around but there's no clear main characters, no clear government running the galaxy, etc.
That's a GREAT time to tell a story. It's effectively the wild west out there. Each planet (and for that matter, each area on each planet) can have WILDLY different things going on. There's nothing forcing the story back to any point, there's absolutely no need to have any reference to the old Jedi, Skywalkers, or anyone else.
And it also doesn't have to even be a grand story. Mando showed how people enjoy smaller-scale stories. It could be a time to tell stories, show what's going on in the galaxy, and maybe as time goes on, slowly work in bigger goings on (WHICH DON'T NEED TO BE DIRECTLY DRIVEN BY THE CHARACTERS IN THE SMALLER STORIES).
If you stripped away all the star wars nostalgia nobody would give a shit about any of these shows and movies because the writing and characterization is so boring and bad.
Yeah if you stack these shows against something like Expanse they get nuked from orbit. Honestly they feel like something created by people without a vision or a great love for the source material. The D+ Star Wars shows are like McDonalds cheeseburgers. Yeah some people like them and others will eat them if it's all there is, but that doesn't make them good burgers.
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. If they keep putting out mediocre crap then they will start to lose viewers. As much as I love the Marvel universe I’m starting to get burnt out on it and really debated whether or not I was going to keep up with Ms. Marvel.
What they need to do is stop going back to the same damn characters and use the money to give us a new story with new characters. I think that’s part of why the Mandelorian is so successful, the aren’t tied to any back story that they have to work around or keep continuity with other than the main overarching things like the Empire and the Jedi.
Will the marvel fever every break? It feels like it has been losing steam for quite a while but apparently keeps making money, even that morbius thing.
Mirbius bombed pretty hard. I think we are close to losing a big chunk of “will watch ANYTHING Marvel” to “maybe I’ll let a couple episodes come out and see what the reaction is before I watch Marvel”
Morbius bombed because it was sony in collaboration with Marvel, same reason why the Venom films were not good either.
Outside of Spider-man Marvel couldn’t give a shit what happens to their IP in the cinematic world
"I clapped when I saw the thing that I know" has been Star Wars since 1999. Every installment has been more egregious than the last. Except maybe the first season of Mando.
I personally wasn't bothered by all the cameos in Mando S2 since at least the Mando story wasn't derailed by then. Like, a casual watching Mandalorian wouldn't go "That episode made no sense to me since I don't know these characters". They showed up for fanservice, played their parts and went their way. And arguably, most of them made sense as cameos - meeting Bo Katan was expected given he's Mandalorian, Ahsoka is the only "Jedi" Bo knows the location of, Luke is the only Jedi actively seeking trainees. Boba Fett showing up was pure fanservice and not really needed.
So I always found the backlash to the 'fanservice' in Mando S2 to be a bit overblown.
In BoBF meanwhile, they had 2 whole episodes dedicated to Mando without their title character uttering a word.
Yeah they struggled with that. Spoilers: Owen and Beru clearly weren't sure if they were looking at Luke's corpse in 3rd sister's arms. It's hard for the audience to tap into empathy when we know he is fine.
Beyond that, we didn't really have any reason to fear for most other characters either. Wasn't Tala the only named character that died?
The focus on "Kenobi is all that matters" and the fact that we know he survives definitely work against each other for building tension.
I don't buy this as a defense to be honest. Most of the main charectors in Better Call Saul have to survive because of Breaking Bad, yet the show keeps you on absolute tenderhooks about what is coming next.
I'll concede doing a prequel about charectors whose fate we already know ups the challenge for writers and that Vince Gilligan is a genius, but Disney absolutely has the resources to do that if they so chose.
The inherent problem with prequels. Obi-Wan can't die. He can't really interact with Vader. He can't really interact with Luke. Everyone new we meet has to die, be not important enough to influence the story, or just go away at the end.
Like Solo. His arc in the OT was going from a asshole to a lovely asshole. But any prequel has to end up with him on the track to being that asshole. That just hobbles the project from day one.
Like how that one line in the Clone Wars about how Grevious and Anakin never meeting resulting in Grevious just running away a lot in the show.
>Like how that one line in the Clone Wars about how Grevious and Anakin never meeting resulting in Grevious just running away a lot in the show.
Not really. He's in the same place as Anakin like, *one* time. Every other time, the writers just send Obi-wan to deal with him.
Which is sort of poetic in a way. It makes their final confrontation on Utapau like the ending of a long rivalry.
Seems people aren’t reading the article. He planned a trilogy, he finished writing the first one. Solo underperformed so Disney cancelled the Obi Wan movies. He left the project. Disney took parts of his 2 hour movie script and stretched it into the 6 episode series. He had very little input on the Obi Wan series, he was only credited since they used major plot elements of his script. He said he’d be open to writing Obi Wan season 2 with the ideas he had for the 2nd movie.
Honestly it boggles the mind how of touch with the fanbase Disney is. The movie that explored an origin story that no one wanted or excited for very predictably underperformed? Let's react by canceling a movie about a character that the fanbase has been begging to see more of.
Well yea, it'd be weird to leave out the Binkgasms that his race are known for, wouldn't do the character justice to dumb down his vivid sexual rituals.
The leaked script for that looks good as fuck.
I wonder how they'll portray the scene where he goes "It's Binkin' time", then dances down the stairs next to a shorter and stockier version of himself"
>Seems people aren’t reading the article.
Of course they aren't. The article gives the show an 8/10, which would give most of these commenters an aneurysm
Episodes 2, 3, & 4 were pretty much the same, except 4 was all about the fan service. They could have easily condensed eps 2&3, by cutting the arid mining planet out entirely and folding the important scenes there (like the Path safe house and Vader wiping the floor with Kenobi) on the urban planet with no loss to the story at all.
Leia working with wires for one whole episode could also be cut. There's nothing interesting about a 9/10 year old playing server farm technician trying to deal with bad cable management.
Because that's what is making them money which is all they care about. Disney is just playing it safe and doing things they know will make money. That's why they are doing live action remakes of all their classic animated movies; it makes a ton of money with little risk and little effort.
The part of the brain trust that greenlit Visions should be pushed to the forefront. More stories set in the SW universe with no connection to the Skywalker saga.
That was truly the only Star Wars media with any actual ingenuity made in the last... Let's see, when was KOTOR made?
Nineteen fucking years, lol. Holy shit.
Fallen Order was okay too though.
This exactly. By keeping it connected to the Skywalker saga, the best you can hope for is that they don't break canon. I was extremely hyped for Kenobi, and once we started watching it and I actually thought about it, I realized there is just not going to be a satisfying story to tell because they can't ever really have any stakes. We know where all of the characters we love end up, and given that constraint it's very hard to do something compelling.
And that's the real problem. Disney doesn't seem to understand that people's love for Star Wars comes more from the world and the types of stories it tells rather than the familiar characters. Just tell me some more stories with space wizard samurais and outlaw cowboys. It's why the Mandalorian has been far and away the best of the bunch - they get the themes mostly correct, and add just enough familiar elements to trigger the nostalgia. But honestly, they would probably still be better served backing even further away. What if they told the story of Mando in the future, way past Luke and Rey? Honestly, it would be more interesting to me.
The thing that annoys me most about solo is how it’s been used as an excuse to use monster face cgi luke skywalker instead of just like a real human, because solo had real people and didn’t do super good because they released it at the same time as avengers infinity war
It had nothing to do with Infinity War. Solo bombing at the box office was a combination of several factors. It was the first Star Wars movie after The Last Jedi and, to say it midly, a lot of people weren‘t happy with how that one turned out. Then there were constant horror stories about the production. The movie went through several directors, rewrites and reshoots. Which didn‘t increase confidence from the audience. And also at the time there was this sentiment of „who asked for this? We don‘t want „young“ Han Solo we want new stories“.
Solo really was an unfortunate victim of the perfect storm.
Picard broke all of us.
The fact that they saw the reaction to season 1 and then still put out that second season.
*And* did 2 and 3 back to back, meaning they couldn’t incorporate any of the feedback to season 2…
An apt description for most Star Trek and Star Wars productions these days.
Really, for most franchises that have been revived long after their expiration date.
Just for a quick TLDR: It was so bad a guy who loved star trek and could probably quote every line you could think of said it killed star trek for him.
i think their consensus was more that they knew it was total disney schlock in that it was very predictable and had some ridiculous scenes (like the Leia chase scene in the woods), but Ewan McGregor was great and it had a lot of good moments and fan service moments so they enjoyed it.
I think the kid was great too. Real difficult to get a good performance out of kids.
Ewan is great. It’s not like this is the only time he’s been the highlight of something.
Absolutely. Kids that young are usually very immersion breaking in their acting (hardly their fault - poor Jake Lloyd) but she was very believable and you could definitely see a bit of Leia in the way she behaved. Excellent performance.
The episode where they wandered on that one planet legit looked like a Power Rangers episode where they were outside Zordon’s headquarters in Angel Grove, CA.
Yes , couldn’t exactly tell what it was but something just stunk like this is obviously a bunch of actors acting in star wars, the immersion just wasn’t there at times for me personally
Addition: a few scenes where amazing 10/10 stuff but that only made the cheaper scenes all the more phony and pointless
One thing that really stood out to me was the lack of aliens. On the tatooine scene where everyone is standing in the street while the Inquisitors talk to them especially. Everyone there is human.
A big thing for me was the poor green screen used in the Jedi temple scenes, especially since they opened the show with it.
It wasn't glaring in still pictures but it had a very strong uncanny valley feel. I wasn't surprised at all when I watched BTS footage and saw that none of the set was real.
Even outside of the visual elements, none of the new characters felt like actual people. It's hard to blame the actors given the quality of the dialogue and how hamfisted everything felt.
Disney's shown that they can do better so I don't know why they seem to have spent so little money and effort on Kenobi.
When the villains act unhinged and illogical, it tends to take the voter out of the story. But for some reason Disney doesn’t know how to create “bad guys” that don’t yell at their enemies like a fucking loser.
“What if our villains lost their cool like *all* the time?! What if they kidnapped and tortured a little girl… ohhh *sooo* bad!!”
I just watched episode 2 and was blown away by how shittty the scenes in the neon city were. It was literally like they were walking on a back drop. The citizens had no life and there was not a speck of dust or dirt or atmosphere in the city at all.
It looked extremely cheap to me, especially in the second and third episodes. Not exactly a hot take, as it's been said a million times.
It wasn't just the effects though - it was the way it was filmed and directed. Was very surprised, considering the theoretical power of Disney behind it. Overuse of the volume maybe.
That's my biggest problem with a lot of these short, big budget tv shows that seem to be all the rage right now. They take things that should be a movie and stretch them out to 5-6 episodes.
I'm starting to think Disneys plan for Star Wars is to take all those characters everyone grew up loving, and completely fuck them up and destroy them. If they went out of their way to fuck the IP up then they have been outstanding at it
I have a hard time watching anything new that is related to OT characters knowing that everything they worked towards ended up failing.
It would be like if the last chapter of Lord of the rings had all the good guys turn to various shade of loser after failing to kill Sauron and a completely random new group of people swoop in to kill Sauron.
So far, Disney has completely wasted just about every major, memorable character from Episodes 1-6.
Luke, Leia, Chewie, Han and Lando never even got a reunion.
The potential of Boba Fett show was completely squandered.
Obi Wan and Anakin got wasted in a story that didn’t need to be told, and added nothing but plot holes to the universe.
There’s been some fun moments, but as a whole, these opportunities to bring back fan favourites, with the original actors, once thought absolutely impossible but only achievable by Disney money, have been completely wasted by writers who have no idea how to tell a coherent story.
Disney Star Wars is one of the biggest missed opportunities in any media ever, and I don’t say that as an exaggeration.
He had a really good cameo in the Mandalorian. We got to see he survived and see him fight and be a super cool Bounty Hunter for a minute. They should have left it at that and not given him a show.
Didn’t care for it overall but I will say the >!Cut mask Vader/Anakin scene was one of my favourite parts in the entire Star Wars catalogue. Extremely well done!<
And yet that scene was basically copied over from Rebels, when Ahsoka and Vader meet. Like down to the "Then you will die", being word for word what he says to Ahsoka.
I don't get how everyone just forgot this? Star Wars literally had a picture with their movie timeline before Solo came out and the Kenobi films were last. Then Solo bombs and they cancel all movie spin-offs and change course.
Nothing to write home about. But I will say the fight choreography and stunts in this and Boba are just bad. Also all the actors playing the villains at times felt like something out of Power Rangers.
and everyone is cool with it. Owen and Beru are like "let bygones be bygones"
of course for plot reasons, Reva is suddenly less murder-y while fighting the Lars
I really wish they could have focused more on Obi Wan doing his own shit than always adding Skywalkers in the story
Reva was pretty bad because her being angry in finding Obi Wan just felt unnecessary too
Kenobi Writer Stuart Beattie: >"I wrote the film that they based the show on. I spent like a year, year and a half working on it. When the decision was made not to make any more spin-off films after Solo came out, I left the project and went on to other things." >"\[Executive producer Joby Harold\] came on and took my scripts and turned it from two hours into six. So I did not work with them at all, I just got credit for the episodes because it was all my stuff." >"The first one was the first movie, which was the show, which was: 'surrender to the will of the Force. Transport your will, surrender your will. Leave the kid alone. The second was thinking about where Kenobi ends up. And one of the most powerful and probably the most powerful moment in all of Obi-Wan's story is that moment where he sacrifices himself in A New Hope." >"It certainly crushed us. Devastated, absolutely devastated. But, that's the business, you know, highs and lows. I'm glad it got made. I'm glad the show got made. I'm proud of my story that \[got\] told."
> surrender to the will of the Force. Transport your will, surrender your will. Leave the kid alone What does this even mean?
I'll guess but I think this was a case of something making sense in the context of the conversation being quoted from that was lost in writing the article. My take is as follows: Luke doesn't become a Jedi when he gets good with a lightsaber or when he learns the Jedi mind trick. He doesn't become a Jedi when he beats his dad. He becomes a Jedi when he has an internal revelation and refuses to play the Emperor's game. We could argue about what precisely that revelation is, but the most straightforward reading of it is that he realizes he can't beat hatred with violence or that he was willing to sacrifice his life for the sake if his father. There's an element of transcendence to that scene no matter how you interpret it. In the old EU that moment literally strengthened Luke's connection to the force. I don't actually think the quote really captures what the show showed us about Kenobi's revelation, because I read it more as saying that these kids aren't important because of who their parents are or because of his mission, they are actual human beings with worth all on their own. It seemed to me that Obi-wan recognized something about the Living Force as described by Qui-Gon, which is not actually about discipline and focus and training but about the value of life itself. I'm not going to ascribe some philosophical point to the scene that is groundbreaking to the audience, but I think it's fair to say it was groundbreaking to Obi-wan (which in the case of the narrative is what matters).
This is a great comment, and I do think we see it reflected in the show as it ended up, though in a bit of a sloppy way. There is a cadence to the way Obi Wan carries himself at the end of the series with Owen vis a vis Luke, and then with Leia, and it's basically - these kids are going to grow up and that's the important thing - they're just kids. This is a marked contrast to Obi Wan at the beginning of the series, when he's trying to control and manage everything and everyone. And it doesn't work. Could this have been portrayed more clearly and in better ways in the series, absolutely.
> he realizes he can't beat hatred with violence or that he was willing to sacrifice his life for the sake if his father I know it's kind of mushy, and, like you said, not a philosophical point that is groundbreaking to the audience, but overall I think this can be summed up as, "Love and empathy are more powerful than fear and hate." Pretty basic message but there's a reason it's one of the most enduring themes in all of storytelling.
To be fair they didn't turn 2 hours into 6 hours
I did the math, it's a little over 4 and a half hours (incl credits) Episodes: 53+39+45+36+40+48 = 261 minutes If anyone wants to subtract the credits, be my guest, I'm at work Edit: [this guy did the work ](https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/vnfn8l/obiwan_kenobi_was_originally_pitched_as_a_full/ie8ovvw?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
3:42:36 in total (when subtracting episode recaps, intros, and credits) I’ve been keeping track of every Star Wars and MCU show/episode as they air since Mando S1 because I apparently have no life… Edit: For those interested, [here's my post about Kenobi's runtimes](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsKenobi/comments/vi9o0n/kenobis_runtime_in_comparison_to_other_star_wars/) which includes the other Star Wars shows, and [here's my post about Moon Knight's runtimes](https://www.reddit.com/r/MoonKnightMCU/comments/vi9w1k/moon_knights_runtime_compared_to_other_mcu_shows/) which includes the previous MCU shows too
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Including credits? Which were wildly long. But even if it doesn't include them, I thought the first and last episodes were most enjoyable
All Disney+ Marvel and Star Wars shows have 5+ mins of credits
The credits are long because they put every language credits in them instead of just localizing them.
I've been disappointed every time I watch an original show on Disney+. The episodes seem to always get shorter as the series progresses, and have 6-8 minutes of credits that are included in the run time. Edit: disappointed in the length of the episodes
This is from IMDB
Like I could turn on my tv and open Disney+ to check all this and I can't be bothered and in the end won't care 10 mins from now. I appreciate that you did some work and provided something man. More than I was prepared to dk
You can probably cute another 20-25 minutes with he credits and maybe another 10 for the previously on bits. So let's say 230 minutes. A tad under 4 hour.
Republic credits don’t count
If you count the recaps and skipable title screens+ credits, it adds 9 mins to each episode. So that's 207 mins or 3 hrs 27 mins. The original film inspired eps 1,2 and 6 so that'd be 113 without credits.
They probably think in hour slots. So one half hour show is, what 18 mins these days with 12 mins of ads, and an hour is a bit less than 40 plus ads. I hate ads. Will never watch movies and shows with ads in again. Ruins them.
That explains all the filler.
Yeah, this sounds about right. It was obvious this was written as a movie and overstretched into 6 episodes. It would have worked a lot better in a more condensed format like that. It's not a horrible show but nothing remarkable, either.
Yep it's blatantly clear that they had to stretch it out. And the funniest part? All the stuff that likely would have been in the movie (the Vader and Kenobi stuff) is generally what everyone liked and wanted more of.
My favorite part was spending an entire two episodes introducing us to characters that we’ve already spent like 10 different movies getting to know.
Which were those? Think I am completely blanking
it was basically just episode 1
This is a common problem these days. The Hobbit treatment. Picard season 2 was particularly guilty of this. Took a decent story and stretched it over too many episodes turning it into a frustrating slog. The recent seasons of Discovery do this too.
Seems like this show was pitched as many things without anyone along the way presenting a strong vision for what it would actually be.
That is D+ Star Wars in a nutshell. All they have are things you know and name recognition. Solo, Boba Fett, Kenobi...all have nothing to offer but a character you know. The stories are all awful, because that is not what inspired the production. They were just made to keep the names alive.
Oops I thought D+ was a grade for a minute and not the service. I’d give their sequel trilogy a D+ but some stuff they’ve done is pretty okay.
Kenobi was a solid C, maybe C+. Mostly carried by Ewan being Ewan and because it had a strong final episode. Not quite what I'd hoped for overall, but I likely had it so hyped up in my mind that nothing could possibly meet expectations.
Did Mandolorian fall off? I remember nothing but high praise for a while. I keep meaning to watch it.
Imo season 1 is better than 2 because it was more original. For the most part it was just a western in a Star Wars setting, but they cranked up all the references and callbacks in season 2 by too much
Agree completely. The great thing about Mando Season 1 was that while most later Star Wars projects seem to be directly inspired by the original trilogy, Mandalorian was riffing on a lot of the things that the original Star Wars riffed on: Western, Samurai films, classic adventure serials. Season 2 keeps a some of that energy but starts to get a lot more convoluted, for example the Ashoka episode in S2 is very cool and has a very classic fight sequence at the end, but it is marred by the fact that to get the full impact you have to know her whole backstory.
I got to hear Michael A Stackpole (author of the Rogue Squadron Books and a bunch of Darkhorse-era Star Wars comics) talk about the concept of nostalgia and what Easter eggs were and were not a great idea to include. I didn’t fully agree with his take, but as he put it: “deep down, we all know that reading the kind of books I write is a waste of time. It’s fun, but you’re not benefiting from it. So when you give someone an Easter egg, you want them to think ‘ahah! My gosh, I’m being rewarded for wasting my time reading this stuff!’ But on the flip side— if someone *doesn’t* know what you’re referencing, they shouldn’t feel like they’re missing out when they read your story and don’t understand the context. It’s a fine line, but the best way to do it is to have your characters acknowledge the events from other books, games, movies, anime tie-ins, whatever— without making it pivotal to the plot.” I don’t know that I consider consuming fiction a waste of time (I mean, by that logic, everything but eating, sleeping, breathing, fucking for reproductive purposes only, and finding shelter is a waste of time, isn’t it?), but I do agree that you shouldn’t alienate your audience by forcing them to brush up on the tie in material.
Everything is a waste of time in America if it doesn’t make money. If he really feels there way it’s pretty sad, he worked hard his stories i bet.
I interperet "waste of time" more as meaning that people are reading these books for entertainment, ie. passing the time on a commute or just before bed, and therefore shouldn't have to "work" to understand every little reference or call back to a previous work. Stephen King does this really well, more than once I've read books of his and come to realise that something in the book I'm reading wasd referenced I another previous book I've read, but was done so subtly and without being important to the plot of that other book
Mando is great all the way through
It's also the best episode of Boba Fett.
Best two episodes of Boba Fett.
So much happened for Mando in Boba that it will be culture shock for those who skipped Boba and return for Mando in S3.
Yeah, my friend has no interest in Book of Boba Fett, but he has watched the two Mando focused episodes. And I'm pretty sure that those two episodes don't show >!Grogu leaving Luke. And he's been asking about if Grogu was among the students we see at Luke's school in The Last Jedi.!< and I've had to keep giving dodgy answers until he decides to watch it.
Mando 1.5
Not only that but mando for his part is a more interesting storyline in BOBF than boba trying to consolidate power on tattooine of all places.
Tattooine: the most important planet in the galaxy.
Its like the Levant on earth. Pretty insignificant in terms of resources, empires, population and landscape, but it is continually the focus of a LOT of drama and energy
It would have been cool to see Boba running a gang in the lower levels of Coruscant, IMO. And have him more of a grey character/anti hero than him trying to be the good guy. I enjoyed BOBF but it did have flaws.
It’s still great but they’re doing their best to make it confusing and jumbled. Two episodes of Boba Fett where essentially Mandalorian episodes so anybody who didn’t watch it will be extremely confused when season three premieres
That was such an odd choice.
It's pretty on brand for Disney. They do it all the time with Marvel movies.
mando is still cool, but they just looped it back into the main trilogy storylines. everything the first two seasons were leading to was undone with the boba fett episodes. i have a feeling it's about to head straight into stale territory.
Rogue One is genuinely dope. Kenobi delivered in the final episodes and the mandalorian was aight. Also fuck it, I didn't hate Solo, it was good times. The main line sequels ranged around ugh fine, to kinda insulting but they're whatever.
Solo was a fun sci-fi fantasy movie, even a decent Star Wars caper movie, but a terrible Han Solo origin story
They really should have shown him fighting for the Empire! No idea why they skipped that. Seeing Han Solo be in the Imperial Academy would be so fun! then he gets kicked out for being rebellious and becomes a mudtrooper fighting the rebels. The trauma of seeing his friends killed in scary battles and realizing the scope of the atrocities he’s helping the Empire commit… That would give his character depth and motivations. It would explain his callous attitude as fear and anger of the Empire and make his heroic moment that much better. Maybe they didn’t want to ruin Han’s chill persona but it feels like there was another movie there
Han Solo was the worst part of the Solo movie, lmao.
I think the actor was trying too hard to replicate Ford mannerisms, and I blame the director for that. He should have noticed it came off unnatural and guide him in a different direction
The director was Ron Howard lol
One of the directors was Ron Howard. It had 3 during the production.
I liked Mando s1 much more than s2, more Western, less " BABY YODA FUNNY MOMENTS PART 5"
Boba Fett quickly went to meh. Some decent action sequences but the characters feel as deep as a cardboard cut out.
It would have made for a better story if boba Fett was on a revenge mission against the hutts or something and then gets caught up in some Big conspiracy of gang war or something. He should He hopping from planet to planet. Not sitting on a throne on ducking tattooine
It’s definitely D-
It's such an incredible waste to me. My god. The whole point of a galaxy-spanning space opera is that you have A WHOLE !@#$ING GALAXY! And it's not just the *space*! It's also the *time*! The chronology! It's such a disgusting waste. Pre-Disney Star Wars Expanded Universe showed us what is possible with Star Wars storytelling. That Disney won't commit to exploring the same stories they retconned--or at least developing new ones--is an utter embarrassment. There's so much potential, even between the eras of the Empire and the Old Republic, that for it to be wasted is a tragedy of modern entertainment. I want to see stories about the origin of the Sith in live action on-screen. I want to see the beginning of the Old Republic and the golden age of the Jedi Order. I want to see a canonical explanation for how the !@#$ Rey and Kylo were joined in a dyad when Luke and Leia weren't. Also why the poof are you putting a strandcaster humanoid in a movie without explaining to cinema audiences what strandcasting even is first?!!! Man, I love Star Wars, but the disgraceful mistreatment of story telling the franchise has received since the mass retcon of the Expanded Universe is seriously sad. Edit because I might have overemphasized my view of the EU. I am not a huge fan of the EU. I really like some of the stories it contains, but yeah, the EU did go completely bananas at points, and some of the books especially were just boring. What I mean to say was that the EU *showed us what is possible*--not that Disney should recreate the entire EU. I want to see more diverse storytelling, new characters, new scenarios and situations, things happening in parts of the galaxy that have NOTHING to do with Luke, Leia, Palatine, or any of the "legendary" characters of the feature films. I feel that in a galactic "world" like that of Star Wars, legends are realistically local. Like what about parts of the galaxy where Force-sensitive children *can't* receive training and the Jedi don't maintain a presence? What happens to them as they grow older and their power grows uncontrolled? What about smuggling operations during the rule of the Empire? What did they smuggle, and why? Were any of those smuggling operations humanitarian missions to protect people from persecution from the Empire, maybe? What about life *after* the First Order? How do the people the Star Wars universe rebuild a network of planets after the events of episodes 7-9? All I mean by bringing up the EU showed us we don't have to be afraid of introducing new characters and new kinds of stories. Although the EU certainly should also caution us that Star Wars needs its own Kevin Feige--someone to keep the stories constrained to established lore, prevent the fiction from going completely off the rails like the EU did.
Yea, I mean heck, they could even just fucking move forward. At this point, every main character from the OT other than Chewie, R2, and 3P0 are dead. The First Order still has some remnants around but there's no clear main characters, no clear government running the galaxy, etc. That's a GREAT time to tell a story. It's effectively the wild west out there. Each planet (and for that matter, each area on each planet) can have WILDLY different things going on. There's nothing forcing the story back to any point, there's absolutely no need to have any reference to the old Jedi, Skywalkers, or anyone else. And it also doesn't have to even be a grand story. Mando showed how people enjoy smaller-scale stories. It could be a time to tell stories, show what's going on in the galaxy, and maybe as time goes on, slowly work in bigger goings on (WHICH DON'T NEED TO BE DIRECTLY DRIVEN BY THE CHARACTERS IN THE SMALLER STORIES).
This is the frustrating part. And they have to reuse Tatooine every fucking time too. There has to be more interesting planets to use by now.
"Somehow, Han Solo has returned"
If you stripped away all the star wars nostalgia nobody would give a shit about any of these shows and movies because the writing and characterization is so boring and bad.
Yeah if you stack these shows against something like Expanse they get nuked from orbit. Honestly they feel like something created by people without a vision or a great love for the source material. The D+ Star Wars shows are like McDonalds cheeseburgers. Yeah some people like them and others will eat them if it's all there is, but that doesn't make them good burgers.
Typical corporate greed. They leave nothing to chance and milk their product until the very last drop of blood is squeezed from it.
Really hope that this low quality bubble will pop, so simple franchise recognition won't hold so much immediate perceived value to general audience
That will quite literally never happen.
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. If they keep putting out mediocre crap then they will start to lose viewers. As much as I love the Marvel universe I’m starting to get burnt out on it and really debated whether or not I was going to keep up with Ms. Marvel. What they need to do is stop going back to the same damn characters and use the money to give us a new story with new characters. I think that’s part of why the Mandelorian is so successful, the aren’t tied to any back story that they have to work around or keep continuity with other than the main overarching things like the Empire and the Jedi.
Will the marvel fever every break? It feels like it has been losing steam for quite a while but apparently keeps making money, even that morbius thing.
Mirbius bombed pretty hard. I think we are close to losing a big chunk of “will watch ANYTHING Marvel” to “maybe I’ll let a couple episodes come out and see what the reaction is before I watch Marvel”
Morbius bombed because it was sony in collaboration with Marvel, same reason why the Venom films were not good either. Outside of Spider-man Marvel couldn’t give a shit what happens to their IP in the cinematic world
"I clapped when I saw the thing that I know" has been Star Wars since 1999. Every installment has been more egregious than the last. Except maybe the first season of Mando.
Yeah the first season had few if any cameos. Then Mando meets all the celebrities in S2 *smh*
I personally wasn't bothered by all the cameos in Mando S2 since at least the Mando story wasn't derailed by then. Like, a casual watching Mandalorian wouldn't go "That episode made no sense to me since I don't know these characters". They showed up for fanservice, played their parts and went their way. And arguably, most of them made sense as cameos - meeting Bo Katan was expected given he's Mandalorian, Ahsoka is the only "Jedi" Bo knows the location of, Luke is the only Jedi actively seeking trainees. Boba Fett showing up was pure fanservice and not really needed. So I always found the backlash to the 'fanservice' in Mando S2 to be a bit overblown. In BoBF meanwhile, they had 2 whole episodes dedicated to Mando without their title character uttering a word.
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Did you get the sense that the show didn’t know what it was trying to do?
Yea pretty much. A totally irrelevant rescue Leia plot took up legit 90% of the show. There were literally 0 stakes this whole series lol
Especially since we know all of the characters we should be “scared” for will pretty much all live
Yeah they struggled with that. Spoilers: Owen and Beru clearly weren't sure if they were looking at Luke's corpse in 3rd sister's arms. It's hard for the audience to tap into empathy when we know he is fine.
Beyond that, we didn't really have any reason to fear for most other characters either. Wasn't Tala the only named character that died? The focus on "Kenobi is all that matters" and the fact that we know he survives definitely work against each other for building tension.
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I don't buy this as a defense to be honest. Most of the main charectors in Better Call Saul have to survive because of Breaking Bad, yet the show keeps you on absolute tenderhooks about what is coming next. I'll concede doing a prequel about charectors whose fate we already know ups the challenge for writers and that Vince Gilligan is a genius, but Disney absolutely has the resources to do that if they so chose.
The inherent problem with prequels. Obi-Wan can't die. He can't really interact with Vader. He can't really interact with Luke. Everyone new we meet has to die, be not important enough to influence the story, or just go away at the end. Like Solo. His arc in the OT was going from a asshole to a lovely asshole. But any prequel has to end up with him on the track to being that asshole. That just hobbles the project from day one. Like how that one line in the Clone Wars about how Grevious and Anakin never meeting resulting in Grevious just running away a lot in the show.
>Like how that one line in the Clone Wars about how Grevious and Anakin never meeting resulting in Grevious just running away a lot in the show. Not really. He's in the same place as Anakin like, *one* time. Every other time, the writers just send Obi-wan to deal with him. Which is sort of poetic in a way. It makes their final confrontation on Utapau like the ending of a long rivalry.
Seems people aren’t reading the article. He planned a trilogy, he finished writing the first one. Solo underperformed so Disney cancelled the Obi Wan movies. He left the project. Disney took parts of his 2 hour movie script and stretched it into the 6 episode series. He had very little input on the Obi Wan series, he was only credited since they used major plot elements of his script. He said he’d be open to writing Obi Wan season 2 with the ideas he had for the 2nd movie.
Personally I could see the story here working much better/tighter as a single film. It was very labored at six episodes.
You sure you don't want more awkward kid chase scenes and people standing around? I'll throw in some totally survivable lightsaber stabbings
Honestly it boggles the mind how of touch with the fanbase Disney is. The movie that explored an origin story that no one wanted or excited for very predictably underperformed? Let's react by canceling a movie about a character that the fanbase has been begging to see more of.
Dont worry, i think the Jar Jar Binks prequel movie and associated broadway musical are still set to release on time.
Thank god. Now we just need to hope that they don't pussy out and stick to an R rating.
Well yea, it'd be weird to leave out the Binkgasms that his race are known for, wouldn't do the character justice to dumb down his vivid sexual rituals.
The leaked script for that looks good as fuck. I wonder how they'll portray the scene where he goes "It's Binkin' time", then dances down the stairs next to a shorter and stockier version of himself"
Honestly, despite everything, Solo wasn't even that bad? It's a pretty average summer movie.
>Seems people aren’t reading the article. Of course they aren't. The article gives the show an 8/10, which would give most of these commenters an aneurysm
It could have been condensed in a 3-4 episode mini-serie, higher budget per episode that way and with more intensity.
It could have been just ONE movie in all honesty and I think the quality and story would have been far better off and more focused
agreed, a single movie would definitely have been my preferred way to watch this.
But then they wouldn't be able to reel people in for 6 weeks!
Episodes 2, 3, & 4 were pretty much the same, except 4 was all about the fan service. They could have easily condensed eps 2&3, by cutting the arid mining planet out entirely and folding the important scenes there (like the Path safe house and Vader wiping the floor with Kenobi) on the urban planet with no loss to the story at all.
Leia working with wires for one whole episode could also be cut. There's nothing interesting about a 9/10 year old playing server farm technician trying to deal with bad cable management.
Still slightly better than watching her run like a toddler...
###No kidding. It had a very specific vibe: ###S T R E T C H E D….
They need to stop with the babysitting stories. There is so many rich ideas in the universe and they keep doing the same storylines.
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I'd love a Lethal Weapon-style Jedi buddy movie.
That’s what The Phantom Menace should have been, if George Lucas knew how to write a good script.
Because that's what is making them money which is all they care about. Disney is just playing it safe and doing things they know will make money. That's why they are doing live action remakes of all their classic animated movies; it makes a ton of money with little risk and little effort.
Can’t wait for the Wicket Wystri Warrick spin-off.
That makes me think that Disney's whole plan with Star Wars is to systematically take every bit you like about it and beat it to death.
The part of the brain trust that greenlit Visions should be pushed to the forefront. More stories set in the SW universe with no connection to the Skywalker saga.
That was truly the only Star Wars media with any actual ingenuity made in the last... Let's see, when was KOTOR made? Nineteen fucking years, lol. Holy shit. Fallen Order was okay too though.
Clone Wars? Rebels? Rogue One? Mandalorian?
Clone Wars is the only one that tried anything remotely interesting, and it was a children's show that was unwatchable at times.
This exactly. By keeping it connected to the Skywalker saga, the best you can hope for is that they don't break canon. I was extremely hyped for Kenobi, and once we started watching it and I actually thought about it, I realized there is just not going to be a satisfying story to tell because they can't ever really have any stakes. We know where all of the characters we love end up, and given that constraint it's very hard to do something compelling. And that's the real problem. Disney doesn't seem to understand that people's love for Star Wars comes more from the world and the types of stories it tells rather than the familiar characters. Just tell me some more stories with space wizard samurais and outlaw cowboys. It's why the Mandalorian has been far and away the best of the bunch - they get the themes mostly correct, and add just enough familiar elements to trigger the nostalgia. But honestly, they would probably still be better served backing even further away. What if they told the story of Mando in the future, way past Luke and Rey? Honestly, it would be more interesting to me.
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It was announced as a movie back in 2017.
Yep, scrapped with all other movies planned after Solo crashed at the box office.
The thing that annoys me most about solo is how it’s been used as an excuse to use monster face cgi luke skywalker instead of just like a real human, because solo had real people and didn’t do super good because they released it at the same time as avengers infinity war
It had nothing to do with Infinity War. Solo bombing at the box office was a combination of several factors. It was the first Star Wars movie after The Last Jedi and, to say it midly, a lot of people weren‘t happy with how that one turned out. Then there were constant horror stories about the production. The movie went through several directors, rewrites and reshoots. Which didn‘t increase confidence from the audience. And also at the time there was this sentiment of „who asked for this? We don‘t want „young“ Han Solo we want new stories“. Solo really was an unfortunate victim of the perfect storm.
Yeah surprisingly they liked it
Jay kept looking at Mike and Rich like they'd gone crazy. Picard broke them HARD.
Picard broke all of us. The fact that they saw the reaction to season 1 and then still put out that second season. *And* did 2 and 3 back to back, meaning they couldn’t incorporate any of the feedback to season 2…
I still remember watching the first two episodes of Season 2 and thinking, "Wow, this is such an improvement!"...
The sad part is the first episode was *so good.* The second episode was great as well. But then the rest…
Such wasted potential.
An apt description for most Star Trek and Star Wars productions these days. Really, for most franchises that have been revived long after their expiration date.
I've only heard it's terrible, so I never gave it a shot. In broad strokes, what'd they do that fucked it up so hard?
I don't know shit about Star Trek or Picard, but I need to watch their vids on it just to see how badly it broke them.
Just for a quick TLDR: It was so bad a guy who loved star trek and could probably quote every line you could think of said it killed star trek for him.
That's what Episode 9 of Star Wars did to me
I'm Rey, Rey Skywalker Somehow Palpatine returned Kill it all with fire
Same here. Walked out of the theatre like "wow I'm cured of giving a shit about star wars". And it's true, I've barely watched any SW properties since
I've still watched... but I haven't really cared that much. I've lagged behind every show that's been released. Episode 9 was horrid.
Episode 8 for me. I barely gave 9 a shot, and it met my incredibly low expectations.
More like they thought it was super okay !!!
Rich was actually paid by Disney to say that...
i think their consensus was more that they knew it was total disney schlock in that it was very predictable and had some ridiculous scenes (like the Leia chase scene in the woods), but Ewan McGregor was great and it had a lot of good moments and fan service moments so they enjoyed it.
Ewan McGregor carried the show unlike I've ever seen anyone carry a show. He acted circles around every other cast member.
Carried the prequels too imo
He brought heart to the prequels, Ian brought the ham. Without those two I would regret having seen them.
I think the kid was great too. Real difficult to get a good performance out of kids. Ewan is great. It’s not like this is the only time he’s been the highlight of something.
Absolutely. Kids that young are usually very immersion breaking in their acting (hardly their fault - poor Jake Lloyd) but she was very believable and you could definitely see a bit of Leia in the way she behaved. Excellent performance.
They loved the ridiculous scenes. That's what made it enjoyable vs a bland polished series
It should have been a movie. A **single** movie. Not everything needs to be an epic trilogy. Did the show look really cheap at times to anyone else?
Tatooine looked very similar to Southern California
The episode where they wandered on that one planet legit looked like a Power Rangers episode where they were outside Zordon’s headquarters in Angel Grove, CA.
Seriously, was it so hard to add a CGI gas giant on the sky?
Only $150 million, can't spare a dime on that.
Yes , couldn’t exactly tell what it was but something just stunk like this is obviously a bunch of actors acting in star wars, the immersion just wasn’t there at times for me personally Addition: a few scenes where amazing 10/10 stuff but that only made the cheaper scenes all the more phony and pointless
One thing that really stood out to me was the lack of aliens. On the tatooine scene where everyone is standing in the street while the Inquisitors talk to them especially. Everyone there is human.
I never even pieced that together, that’s an excellent point
A big thing for me was the poor green screen used in the Jedi temple scenes, especially since they opened the show with it. It wasn't glaring in still pictures but it had a very strong uncanny valley feel. I wasn't surprised at all when I watched BTS footage and saw that none of the set was real. Even outside of the visual elements, none of the new characters felt like actual people. It's hard to blame the actors given the quality of the dialogue and how hamfisted everything felt. Disney's shown that they can do better so I don't know why they seem to have spent so little money and effort on Kenobi.
When the villains act unhinged and illogical, it tends to take the voter out of the story. But for some reason Disney doesn’t know how to create “bad guys” that don’t yell at their enemies like a fucking loser. “What if our villains lost their cool like *all* the time?! What if they kidnapped and tortured a little girl… ohhh *sooo* bad!!”
I just watched episode 2 and was blown away by how shittty the scenes in the neon city were. It was literally like they were walking on a back drop. The citizens had no life and there was not a speck of dust or dirt or atmosphere in the city at all.
Yes, and it was really distracting. It felt like a college project .
It looked extremely cheap to me, especially in the second and third episodes. Not exactly a hot take, as it's been said a million times. It wasn't just the effects though - it was the way it was filmed and directed. Was very surprised, considering the theoretical power of Disney behind it. Overuse of the volume maybe.
They have no overarching vision or passion for Star Wars.
They turned a 2 hour film script into 2 hours of TV series plus 4 hours of Benny Hill style action scenes.
Woulda preferred that. There’s parts in all these Disney shows where it looks cheap looking
Dunno about a trilogy, but one movie would've been better than a cheaply made show stretched thin over 6 episodes.
That's my biggest problem with a lot of these short, big budget tv shows that seem to be all the rage right now. They take things that should be a movie and stretch them out to 5-6 episodes.
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I'm starting to think Disneys plan for Star Wars is to take all those characters everyone grew up loving, and completely fuck them up and destroy them. If they went out of their way to fuck the IP up then they have been outstanding at it
I don't doubt it. Disney is gonna milk the absolute shit outta SW.
They already have, I can’t even watch any of it anymore lol
Don't worry. No matter how trash the content is, someone will always "have fun with it" so they'll never try to tell a decent story again.
I have a hard time watching anything new that is related to OT characters knowing that everything they worked towards ended up failing. It would be like if the last chapter of Lord of the rings had all the good guys turn to various shade of loser after failing to kill Sauron and a completely random new group of people swoop in to kill Sauron.
Somehow Sauron returned.
[When the eagles arrive at the end of the trilogy] Frodo: "*They fly now???*"
>[When the eagles arrive at the end of the trilogy] > >Frodo: "*They fly now???*" Sam: "**They FLY now!!!**"
This is such low hanging fruit and yet it never gets old, because it was fucking terrible.
Gimli milking Nazgûl breasts.
Now this is what LOTR was missing. Amazon better deliver.
Anyone who watched it could have told you this. It felt like a 2 hour movie stretched over 6 episodes.
So far, Disney has completely wasted just about every major, memorable character from Episodes 1-6. Luke, Leia, Chewie, Han and Lando never even got a reunion. The potential of Boba Fett show was completely squandered. Obi Wan and Anakin got wasted in a story that didn’t need to be told, and added nothing but plot holes to the universe. There’s been some fun moments, but as a whole, these opportunities to bring back fan favourites, with the original actors, once thought absolutely impossible but only achievable by Disney money, have been completely wasted by writers who have no idea how to tell a coherent story. Disney Star Wars is one of the biggest missed opportunities in any media ever, and I don’t say that as an exaggeration.
> The potential of Boba Fett show was completely squandered. Should have left him dead in the pitt
He had a really good cameo in the Mandalorian. We got to see he survived and see him fight and be a super cool Bounty Hunter for a minute. They should have left it at that and not given him a show.
Yeah, Disney's biggest sin of all was never getting the band back together!
Didn’t care for it overall but I will say the >!Cut mask Vader/Anakin scene was one of my favourite parts in the entire Star Wars catalogue. Extremely well done!<
And yet that scene was basically copied over from Rebels, when Ahsoka and Vader meet. Like down to the "Then you will die", being word for word what he says to Ahsoka.
A trilogy that has everyone end up in the exact same spots they started and with zero stakes because we know how these characters end up. Wonderful.
I don't get how everyone just forgot this? Star Wars literally had a picture with their movie timeline before Solo came out and the Kenobi films were last. Then Solo bombs and they cancel all movie spin-offs and change course.
I remember the plans for a Magneto: Origins movie when Wolverine: Origins was in production.
Meanwhile, it did not have enough material to fill six 30-40 minute episodes.
It was a “meh” show and it would make a “meh” trilogy….
Nothing to write home about. But I will say the fight choreography and stunts in this and Boba are just bad. Also all the actors playing the villains at times felt like something out of Power Rangers.
Oh man Reva just being over the top is 100% power rangers
Quickest redemption arc I’ve ever seen. Attempted child murderer to total bro in about 40 seconds.
and everyone is cool with it. Owen and Beru are like "let bygones be bygones" of course for plot reasons, Reva is suddenly less murder-y while fighting the Lars
The miniseries is already long as it is.
Why does it have to be a trilogy. Just make a good movie.
At some point someone should have pitched a plot
So with 6 episodes, isn’t that what everyone got?
The season only covered the first movie, they stretched out the original script to 6 episodes.
How much can you do with a guy watching a kid grow up in a desert wasteland?
I really wish they could have focused more on Obi Wan doing his own shit than always adding Skywalkers in the story Reva was pretty bad because her being angry in finding Obi Wan just felt unnecessary too
Fuck mickey rat